WEBVTT - The Attacks on Jenin & Media Bias 0:00:05.120 --> 0:00:09.319 Hello, Welcome to the podcast. It could happen here. It's 0:00:09.640 --> 0:00:15.280 me James and Scharene today. Hi Serene, Hi James, Hi Sarene. Yeah, 0:00:15.320 --> 0:00:18.880 it's it's lovely to have you. Thanks for introducing yourself. 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:22.200 I'm a little confused, but he was talking to you. 0:00:23.280 --> 0:00:25.560 I've done podcasts for a long time and I never 0:00:25.600 --> 0:00:28.040 actually know how to introduce myself. But I'm really happy 0:00:28.080 --> 0:00:30.200 to be doing this episode with you because you're a 0:00:30.280 --> 0:00:31.880 very good episode partner. 0:00:32.440 --> 0:00:34.279 Thank you, Sreen. I am also happy to be doing 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:36.360 this episode with you. I think you're an excellent episode partner. 0:00:36.640 --> 0:00:38.599 What are we talking about that just because I said it? 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:43.279 No, I like him. It's good. It's good. We help 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:44.200 people learn things. 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:49.400 Well, today you're going to learn some more things about Palestine. 0:00:49.520 --> 0:00:51.600 It's been a minute since we had an update, and 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:55.760 I mean, surprise, surprise, things aren't good. So we're going 0:00:55.800 --> 0:00:58.880 to talk about some recent stuff that's been happening. There's 0:00:59.400 --> 0:01:02.360 we mentioned some stuff that we've mentioned before in other episodes, 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:06.040 like the Nekaba or just the ethnic cleansing that happened 0:01:06.040 --> 0:01:09.840 in nineteen forty eight. Also some politics stuff. So if 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:12.199 you are interested in getting more detail and you haven't 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:14.720 listened to those. I would recommend listening to those, just 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:16.520 for more context if you desire. 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:19.720 But yeah, yeah, I think you're diving in probably at 0:01:19.760 --> 0:01:22.320 the deep end if you start here. But we're going 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:25.200 to dive in at the deep end. So earlier this month, 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:28.920 Omar Katten twenty seven, a father of two children who 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:32.120 worked as an electrician for the local municipality, was killed 0:01:32.200 --> 0:01:36.880 when about four hundred Israeli settlers marched down Thaumasaya's main road, 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:40.200 selling cars, homes, crops and trees ablaze as they went. 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:43.440 It's not clear if you're shot by IDF troops or 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:49.000 settlers of both stormed the village carrying weapons. Under international law, 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:52.320 Israeli settlement to illegal, however, it's really Prime Minister of 0:01:52.320 --> 0:01:54.960 Benjamin Netan Yahoo announced plans to build a thousand new 0:01:54.960 --> 0:01:57.880 housing units in the settlement of Eli in response to 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:01.400 the deadly shooting of Forestraelis by two Estinian government on Tuesday, 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:05.440 the twentieth of June. The suspected assailants were later killed. 0:02:05.560 --> 0:02:09.120 One of them was quote unquote neutralized by civilian the 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:12.680 other by the IDEF. But it appears the plan is 0:02:12.680 --> 0:02:15.640 to punish the whole nation again. Our antswer to terror 0:02:15.919 --> 0:02:17.799 is to strike it hard and to build our country. 0:02:17.880 --> 0:02:21.079 Net Yeah, who said his right wing government is dominated 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:23.959 by settler leaders and supporters. But his statements came just 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:26.960 days after the government gave far right finance minister there's 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:30.079 a little smotorridge sweeping powers to exploit the construction of 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:32.840 legal settlements by passing messes that have been in place 0:02:32.880 --> 0:02:36.560 for almost twenty seven years. The violence in thaumas ayah 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:38.160 Am I saying that, right. 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:42.600 I just looked it up. Yeah, totmos Aya is it's 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:45.120 a town in the West Bank for context people that 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:49.600 don't know, so, yeah, it's it's in the Ramola and 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:52.080 LBI the governor in the West Bank. 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:53.880 Yeah, I'm going to get a little bit more into 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:56.120 it of why this is all happening. We just wanted 0:02:56.120 --> 0:02:58.480 to kind of pain the paint the picture for you 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:00.760 first of all of the bigger events that have happened. 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:05.280 I guess. So this violence against the people of this 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:08.280 town and the shooting of for Israelis followed an incursion 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:11.519 by the IDF and Israeli border forces into the Genine 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:15.000 refugee camp. It was an operational scale not seen for decades. 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:19.280 So did you tear gas, stun grenades, and an attack helicopter. 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:23.000 Seven Palestinians were killed, nearly one hundred were wounded. 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:24.880 And I feel like this is not the first time. 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:27.600 If you've been following any Palestinian news that you've heard 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:31.679 of Janine the refugee camp, or that it's being attacked, 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:34.160 it might sound familiar. I'll get into it more later, 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:38.880 but Sharen abu Ocle was actually killed while reporting there. 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:42.200 So I want to get into just why exactly Israel 0:03:42.280 --> 0:03:45.880 keeps raiding the Janine refugee camp in particular, and I 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:48.840 want to talk about the camp's history, why it's getting targeted, 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:52.040 and why the latest raid was different than the ones 0:03:52.080 --> 0:03:56.800 before it. Janine is slowly becoming a symbol of Palestinian resistance. 0:03:56.960 --> 0:03:59.920 It was originally established in nineteen fifty three to house 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:03.160 Palestinians who were ethnically cleansed during the Nekaba of nineteen 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:06.560 forty eight, which forced some seven hundred and fifty thousand 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:09.360 people from their homes in order to make way for 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:12.120 the establishment of Israel. And again we've talked about this 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:14.720 in other episodes. You want to revisit those, but essentially, 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:18.080 he was just a very perfect example of ethnic cleansing 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:22.960 and massacres in genocide and displacement. So the camp has 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:25.719 seen much unrest over the decades, and it was nearly 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:29.200 destroyed in two thousand and two when Israeli soldiers ambushed 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:32.880 it during the Second Antifada. According to a Human Rights 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:37.120 Watch investigation, at least fifty two Palestinians, including women and children, 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:41.000 were killed during this period of time. In two thousand 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:43.480 and two, during the Second anthli Fada, there were also 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:46.480 at least twenty three Israeli soldiers killed and several others 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:51.320 injured that were reported. And since then, Janine has recently 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:55.760 seen intensifying attacks by Israeli forces, especially since twenty twenty one, 0:04:56.440 --> 0:04:59.640 and it has slowly, along with Gaza, become a major 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:04.720 symbol of Palestinian resistance. At this point, Palestinians are really 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:08.200 fed up with the enaction of the Palestinian Authority the PA, 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:12.120 which is the government entity meant to oversee and quote 0:05:12.160 --> 0:05:16.919 unquote protect the Palestinians within its governance. The Palestine Authority 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:20.240 was formed in nineteen ninety four following the Gaza Jericho 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:23.400 Agreement between the PLO and the Government of Israel, and 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:26.960 it was only intended to be a five year interim body. 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:30.479 Further negotiations were then meant to take place between the 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:34.799 two parties regarding its final status. According to the Oslo Accords, 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:38.720 the Palestinian Authority was designated to have exclusive control over 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:43.120 both security related and civilian issues in the Palestinian urban areas, 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:46.880 which are referred to as Area A, and only Palestinian 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:51.000 control over Palestinian rural areas, which is called Area B. 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:55.679 The remainder of the territories, including Israeli settlement, the Jordan 0:05:55.760 --> 0:06:00.400 Valley region and bypass roads between Palestinian communities, were remain 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:05.480 under Israeli control aka Area C. East Jerusalem was excluded 0:06:05.480 --> 0:06:10.640 from the accords. Negotiations with several Israeli governments had resulted 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:13.360 in the Authority gaining further control in some areas, but 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:16.560 that control was then lost in some areas when Israel 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:21.479 retook several strategic positions during the Second Antifaba. At this point, 0:06:21.600 --> 0:06:25.359 the Palestine Authority is an authoritarian regime that has not 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:29.320 held elections in over fifteen years, and it doesn't really 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:31.760 stand in the way of the Israeli government and the 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:36.640 crimes they commit. So what concerns Israel Is that in 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:41.160 Janine and elsewhere, young Palestinians are increasingly taking up arms 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:43.920 because they see no other way out of the pressure 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:48.839 of occupation and they're very disillusioned with the ineffectiveness of 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:50.080 the Palestinian authority. 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:54.039 Yeah, I think that's a really important way too, Like 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:57.680 when we talk about like especially Palestinian people taking up arms, 0:06:57.760 --> 0:07:00.400 right or expecting these new groups which come in the 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:04.080 last couple of years, Right, there's that Lions Day group. 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:08.839 I think they're more from nables. Janine Brigades is another one. 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:12.360 It's in the context of like government failure or state 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:16.520 failure in I guess when we look at like the 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:21.120 formation of states, right, when there's it's called social contracts 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:24.560 the area, right, the idea that when we go and consent, 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:27.480 which we don't do, but we don't ever, like we 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:29.680 don't have a chance to consent to being in a state, right, 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:32.560 like very obviously if you're from Palestine, you're aware of this, 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:35.160 Like we were supposed to give up some of our 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:39.280 freedom and get some security. But the Palestinian authority has 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:43.680 repeatedly failed to protect people in Geneine, right, and in 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:48.320 lots of other places too, and so like this response, 0:07:48.720 --> 0:07:51.440 like this response is taking up aren't is in the 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:53.720 context of state failure, right, Like people are trying to 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:56.480 protect their own communities when there's been a complete failure 0:07:56.520 --> 0:07:58.720 by the people who are supposed to protect them, the 0:07:58.760 --> 0:08:01.960 people who is and that's both the PA and then 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:05.400 like the broader the international community is kind of a 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:09.720 pointless phrase. It doesn't really mean anything. But like international 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:12.320 law is also a pointless phrase. It doesn't really mean anything, 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:18.200 which I'm getting too far afield here, but like the 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:20.640 amount of times people in my replies on Twitter will 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:23.560 be like this is against international law, and like are 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:25.040 you going to go and fucking enforce it? Then? 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:27.920 Like guess if that matter is at that point? 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:29.960 Yeah, it's just like good, it doesn't matter, like what 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:33.360 we know it's bad. I don't like, that's not what's 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:35.560 up for debate? What's for debates? What the fuck are 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:36.800 you going to do about it? How are you going 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:39.080 to stop it? And like these people have decided that 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:40.720 the way they're going to stop it is by taking 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:44.839 up arms, and like evidently Israel sees them as terrorists. 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:50.280 Evidently there are some groups inside Palestine who have killed 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:52.640 civilians and done ship which is is, you know, like, 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:57.559 it's not very nice. Also, the idea of killed civilians 0:08:58.320 --> 0:09:02.160 all the time, right, one of them is funded and 0:09:02.360 --> 0:09:09.120 armed by your taxes, and so like, yeah, it's an 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:13.600 understandable response. And the response of the IDF is to 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:17.720 sort of paint the whole of Janine as harboring quote 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:22.120 unquoite terrorists, right, which which is, and then to do 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:25.400 these attacks which often cause civilian casualties, which is not 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:31.360 that distinct from suggesting that Israel is a terrorist state, right, 0:09:31.600 --> 0:09:34.760 and then attacking Israel, which like, but one of these 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:37.319 things is more broadly condemned is terrorism, and one is 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:40.440 not as broadly condemned as terrorism. When then they're not, 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:46.320 to my eye, that morally different. I guess, yeah, that 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:46.719 makes sense. 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:48.800 I agree, and I also think, no, it makes a 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:52.840 lot of sense. I think remembering the imbalance that it 0:09:52.920 --> 0:09:56.880 starts at is so important because Palestine has no army, 0:09:57.160 --> 0:10:00.360 it's not backed by any rich ass nation, it's not 0:10:00.440 --> 0:10:05.800 trained by anything, and it's an extremely unbalanced quote unquote battle. 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:10.199 No one's deploying an Apache helicopter when when the idea 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:11.360 of killers journalist. 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:15.200 Right, like exactly, and yeah, like Sharenabut Ockley was a 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:17.600 US citizen. Not that it matters, but it should matter 0:10:17.760 --> 0:10:19.719 just in the idea of what the US can do 0:10:20.000 --> 0:10:22.920 or like the outrage it can have, but it doesn't 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:23.560 do anything. 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:27.640 As a journalist who goes to dangerous places and is 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:34.559 a US citizen. Now, like it's fucking infuriating and obviously 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:37.840 like and particularly thing that like, you know, like daddy 0:10:37.840 --> 0:10:40.760 government is coming to save me. I'm not like you know, 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:43.160 if you if you're laboring under that illusion, you're probably 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:48.160 a little bit naive. But it is just incredibly frustrating 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:53.480 to see the value of some quote unquote American lives, 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:57.559 like it's it's it's always wrong to shoot journalists, of course, 0:10:57.640 --> 0:11:04.240 but like it's just in the US basically condoning that. Yes, again, 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:09.080 this isn't the first fucking like Arab journalist that the 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:12.320 US who is a US citizen who has been killed 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:14.679 by an authoritarian regime that the US had done fuck 0:11:14.720 --> 0:11:15.200 all about. 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:18.760 Yeah, No, I think it's just a slap in the 0:11:18.800 --> 0:11:21.720 face for her family and just the entire community of 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:25.360 like both Arabs and journalists and that crossover there. But 0:11:25.880 --> 0:11:29.320 I did want to mention just the terrorism acts on 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:33.040 both sides are obviously terrible. I always think you have 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:37.040 to remember where they started and the imbalance that is there, 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:40.520 especially if the entity that is supposed to protect the 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:46.040 Palestinians isn't doing shit and the only way Palestinians can 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:50.320 fight back or defend themselves is with violence. 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:52.200 Yeah, yeah, I don't know. 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:56.680 It's just frustrating when people point out the violence on 0:11:56.880 --> 0:12:00.880 just the Palestinian side, and we'll get into the news 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:02.960 version of what that means and then biases of what 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:04.840 that means it a little bit, but yeah, I just 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:08.600 that's just explaining exactly why these groups have risen. 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:13.200 Yeah, there's just to be an absolute fuckingd weep for 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:16.080 a second. The introduction to Wretched of the Earth that 0:12:16.160 --> 0:12:18.760 Johann Paul Starts wrote, it's a France fann On book, 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:21.680 is fantastic when talking about violence and violence in the 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:26.240 dicolonial process, and like how it's very nice that these 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:31.319 colonial states, apartheid states like Israel speak in the language 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:33.920 of rights. Yeah, and they encourage to colonize people to 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:35.800 make their claims in the language of rights. But every 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:38.719 time they fucking do, they get met with violence, right, 0:12:39.400 --> 0:12:43.640 And it is entirely understandable that when the state speaks 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:46.400 you only in violence, you will reply using the same 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:49.760 language that is spoken to you with right, Like that, 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:56.240 that is how decolonial struggles have been, right from Algeria 0:12:56.320 --> 0:13:01.040 to Vietnam to Palestine. And like this isn't a particularly 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:04.160 like under theorized concept. It's there and fanol in the 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:08.400 nineteen sixties. That's always something I like to suggest people read. 0:13:08.440 --> 0:13:11.520 I think it's a very good kind of distillation of 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:12.480 what's occurring. 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:15.560 Yeah, no, I like that you mentioned that because it 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:21.000 does seem like that this is like a Palestinian problem 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:23.120 that they have, that they are violent and that they 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:26.600 hate the other side, and it is just another good 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:30.559 example of the effects of colonialism and like that's the 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:35.960 occupied people and their only choice of like retaliation. Anyway, 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:38.040 I don't want to get into that too much, but 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:43.559 I do want to emphasize why exactly that they were disillusioned, 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:47.959 the Palestinian youth, especially during this time, because the IDEF 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:51.240 has been extremely violent and the PA still is really 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:57.480 inactive and doesn't do anything. So that's kind of the 0:13:57.520 --> 0:13:58.600 reason why there. 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:02.439 Yeah, yeah, we have a little more in Shrina Buaclavionna. 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:06.160 Oh yeah, we have an episode about her, I believe, 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:09.520 and I'm going to mention her a little bit here. 0:14:10.240 --> 0:14:14.600 The Genin refugee camp houses armed fighters and they are 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:17.840 from several factions, but this means Israeli's They consider it 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:21.440 a hub for what they call terrorist activity rather than resistance, 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:25.840 so the entire camp is then dubbed a terrorist site. 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:28.680 But most of the people that the IDEF has killed 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:31.840 are not engaging in any sort of violent activity, and 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:35.400 in some cases they are clearly marked as press wearing 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:38.800 a bulletproof vest and a helmet, like El Jazeera journalist 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:41.840 Sharinabu Akle, for one, she was shot dead by an 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:44.840 Israeli sniper in May twenty twenty two, and in her case, 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:48.560 the IDF said they were aiming at armed Palestinians who 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:52.480 were shooting at them and responding with fire, and after 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:56.040 I don't know a lot of inconclusive proof in the 0:14:56.040 --> 0:14:59.760 IDF sticking to that story. A ballistics analysis proved that 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:03.080 that's story wasn't true and there was no fire coming 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:06.760 from the other side, But regardless, no one cares about that. 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:10.840 And this happened all in Janine, So I think it's 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:14.200 very clear why this camp has become a symbol of 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:19.160 resistance simply because the atrocities that have happened there are 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:22.360 tremendous and they keep fighting back. And I think it's 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:27.600 an example of how exactly a Palestinian symbol comes to be, 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:30.040 like gaza, like this, whatever it is. 0:15:30.600 --> 0:15:33.280 I wanted to include a coat from the Israeli military 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:38.280 spokesman Ran Kochov, and he told Army Radio, which I 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:40.760 guess is not exactly a kind of neutral arbititter here, 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:44.160 that she was filming and working for a media outlet 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:48.720 amidst arm Palestinians. They were armed with cameras if you 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:51.720 will permit me to say so, which like no, like 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:55.040 we should not really not fucking permit someone because like 0:15:56.400 --> 0:15:59.480 you know, I'll go to all kinds of dangerous spots 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:01.400 with a camera. Like I've never fucking shot someone with 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:04.440 a camera, because it's a fucking camera, right, Like it doesn't, 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:08.040 it doesn't, that's not what cameras do. They take videos. 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:11.120 That is the most Like I can't believe that's an 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:14.800 actual quote that's someone said and got away with. 0:16:15.240 --> 0:16:17.280 Yeah, what the fuck is wrong? Like what And it's 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:20.160 just incorrect operation of the human brain to use the 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:22.520 fucking phrase arm with camera, Like, what is wrong with you? 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:27.080 It's I know, people get really people got really mad 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:29.960 briefly when Russians were shooting journalists in Ukraine in the 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:35.000 start of the conflict, and like I guess they were 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:36.920 kind of as a mask off about it, but like, yeah, 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:40.440 it's a fucking camera. If if your security is threatened 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:44.440 by someone filming the ship that you do, it's because 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:46.080 you shouldn't be doing it, and you know you shouldn't 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:51.400 be doing it right, like and again, like I've experienced that, 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:53.640 like people people, you know, doing stuff they don't want 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:55.080 to be filmed and getting mad that I'm filming it. 0:16:55.120 --> 0:16:57.600 But like maybe if you're not prepared to defend what 0:16:57.640 --> 0:17:01.200 you're doing, you shouldn't be doing it. You don't, you know, 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:04.080 you don't suggest that the camera is the camera? Is 0:17:04.200 --> 0:17:07.680 it's a neutral object here, it's it's not the camera 0:17:07.680 --> 0:17:09.000 and shot a woman in the head. 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:14.320 Yeah, I mean that sentence is infuriating the fact that 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:20.320 literally it says they were amidst armed Palestinians and then 0:17:20.320 --> 0:17:22.199 you could you could stop there and people can just 0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:24.439 like click out and read and like move on their 0:17:24.520 --> 0:17:26.640 day thinking that they had fucking guns. And the next 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:29.639 sentence is literally they're armed with cameras, Like are you 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:31.639 I don't know. That's just so infuriating to me that 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:34.200 that's like a real thing that was said and accepted. 0:17:34.800 --> 0:17:37.480 It seems to be like almost deliberately insulting or I 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:39.920 don't know, like it's definitely an attack on Like I 0:17:39.960 --> 0:17:42.000 don't know. If you're a journalist and you don't see 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:44.040 that of an attack on all of us, then you know, 0:17:44.280 --> 0:17:47.520 made me examine your biases, I guess. Yeah. 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:51.120 And then the ballistics analysis that I mentioned earlier where 0:17:51.119 --> 0:17:53.800 she was it showed that where she was shot there 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:56.639 were several targeted shots, one of which hit her head 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:59.160 because there were shots in the tree that was behind her, 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:00.920 so she was clearly targeted. 0:18:01.359 --> 0:18:03.920 Yeah, because she was shot by a sniper at the 0:18:04.000 --> 0:18:06.040 back of one of their APC's right, they have a 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:10.320 little little like murder hole, and she was shot from 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:12.320 two hundred meters to which is not very far with 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:16.800 a magnified signe and like, yeah, you don't just it 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:19.000 wouldn't look like that, I guess, Like three little holes 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:21.560 behind where her head was suggest that someone fired like 0:18:21.640 --> 0:18:24.960 a single shots targeted, not just like spraying it sprain 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:26.840 bullets around. Yeah. 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:28.720 I don't want to talk about it too much because 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:31.080 there it is, that's on the topic of this episode. 0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:33.000 But I do want to just say that I think 0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:36.080 it's so ironic that the idea is supposed to be 0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:40.280 this most advanced military body, this highly trained thing, and 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:43.360 then at the same breath their defenses sometimes they made 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:45.520 a mistake. Oops, you know what I mean, Like they 0:18:45.560 --> 0:18:47.879 made this grave mistake. They thought she was carrying a 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:50.040 gun or she was around people with guns. I just 0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:53.960 think that's a very silly I don't know. 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:58.359 Yeah, I'm being shure. It's true, I suppose, and you can. 0:18:58.520 --> 0:19:01.159 You can make mistakes. But if you make mistakes, you 0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:04.240 own them. You could still be like, oh, yeah, we 0:19:03.960 --> 0:19:06.200 we one hundred percent fucked up, and like we need 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:07.520 to examine how we fucked up. 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:10.600 You know, that's just their defense. So many times it 0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:13.280 gets really fucking old. But Okay, before we continue and 0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:15.760 talk about the recent attack in Janine, let's take our 0:19:15.760 --> 0:19:28.600 first break and we'll be right back. And we're back. 0:19:28.920 --> 0:19:32.160 Let's go back to talk about the latest raid on 0:19:32.240 --> 0:19:36.520 the Janine refugee camp. The Israeli Army launched its latest 0:19:36.600 --> 0:19:39.600 raid on the Janine refugee camp in the early hours 0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:43.879 of Monday, June nineteenth. Five people, including a fifteen year old, 0:19:43.960 --> 0:19:46.840 were dead by the time it withdrew its forces in 0:19:46.880 --> 0:19:50.840 the afternoon. Others died the following day because of their injuries. 0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:54.760 Several journalists were shot at and they were surrounded and 0:19:54.800 --> 0:19:58.919 one was injured. This raid ironically took place near the 0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:03.639 location where Shari Abulakhlei was killed. Several ambulances were also 0:20:03.680 --> 0:20:07.000 fired upon with live ammunition, and at first they were 0:20:07.040 --> 0:20:09.520 denied access to the injured, which is nothing new to 0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:12.919 the IDF. They do this consistently with the block a 0:20:12.960 --> 0:20:17.159 medical aid to reach the people that are injured. The 0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:20.399 Israeli armies said the raid was to arrest two suspects, 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:23.320 one of whom was a former Palestinian prisoner, as Sem 0:20:23.359 --> 0:20:26.679 Abu ad Haija, who was the son of an imprisoned 0:20:26.680 --> 0:20:30.200 Hamas leader. I just want a quick reminder of refresh. 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:32.040 I know I say this in most of the episodes 0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:35.080 about Palestine, especially the ones I've done in the beginning 0:20:35.119 --> 0:20:38.480 of this year, but in twenty twenty two, Israeli forces 0:20:38.600 --> 0:20:42.320 killed more than one hundred and seventy Palestinians, including at 0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:45.879 least thirty children in occupied East Jerusalem and in the 0:20:45.920 --> 0:20:49.080 West Bank, and this is described as the deadliest year 0:20:49.160 --> 0:20:51.760 for Palestinians and those living in those areas since two 0:20:51.760 --> 0:20:54.600 thousand and six. Since the start of twenty twenty three, 0:20:54.880 --> 0:20:59.439 Israeli forces have killed at least one hundred and sixty Palestinians, 0:20:59.440 --> 0:21:04.160 including twenty six children, and it's June. The death toll 0:21:04.240 --> 0:21:07.760 includes thirty six Palestinians killed by the Israeli army during 0:21:07.800 --> 0:21:10.679 a four day assault on the besieged Gaza strip between 0:21:10.680 --> 0:21:13.080 May ninth and May thirteenth of this year. I just 0:21:13.080 --> 0:21:15.840 want to put that into context because if twenty twenty 0:21:15.840 --> 0:21:19.840 two was the deadliest year for Palestinians in the last 0:21:20.280 --> 0:21:25.960 twenty years and we're essentially already there by six months 0:21:26.000 --> 0:21:28.639 into this new year, it's just it's really disturbing and 0:21:28.680 --> 0:21:33.520 it's really heartbreaking that it's truly there's no slowing down. 0:21:33.640 --> 0:21:35.560 And this raid is a great example of them just 0:21:35.560 --> 0:21:39.160 like upping the ante. And what was different about this raid. 0:21:39.440 --> 0:21:43.080 Israeli offenses into Janine are nothing new, but it appeared 0:21:43.200 --> 0:21:46.080 that the raiding soldiers were caught off guard this time. 0:21:46.640 --> 0:21:50.560 Shortly after the raid began, videos showed an Israeli military 0:21:50.600 --> 0:21:55.560 panther APC being hit with a roadside improvised explosive device, 0:21:56.440 --> 0:21:59.160 and there is a video of this. I haven't seen 0:21:59.200 --> 0:22:02.080 it because I just personally don't want to, but asadare 0:22:02.119 --> 0:22:05.040 if you choose to see it. Military helicopters then began 0:22:05.119 --> 0:22:09.720 shooting and launching rockets and flares while surveillance aircraft hovered above. 0:22:10.359 --> 0:22:13.040 It was the first time in twenty years that Israel 0:22:13.040 --> 0:22:16.479 deployed helicopter gunships in the West Bank. By the end 0:22:16.520 --> 0:22:19.600 of the raid, reports suggested that at least five Israeli 0:22:19.720 --> 0:22:23.680 military vehicles had been damaged by explosive devices and bullets 0:22:23.680 --> 0:22:27.440 deployed by armed Palestinians. This was the first time the 0:22:27.440 --> 0:22:31.399 IDF was met with this understandable degree of resistance and 0:22:31.480 --> 0:22:35.760 defense in Nganine, and their response was overwhelming in return. 0:22:36.359 --> 0:22:39.680 Hi everyone, it's James and Train again and we're here 0:22:39.720 --> 0:22:42.399 today for a little update. It's the third of July 0:22:42.600 --> 0:22:45.879 as we're recording this. Just because there's been a significantly 0:22:46.040 --> 0:22:49.920 larger IDF incursion into a Genine refugee camp, and because 0:22:49.920 --> 0:22:51.159 we know this is coming out at the end of 0:22:51.160 --> 0:22:52.399 the week, we wanted to make sure you had a 0:22:52.400 --> 0:22:57.000 little bit more update to date information, so as best 0:22:57.160 --> 0:22:59.159