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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. We are watching conflicts

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Speaker 1: across the globe right now. We have the war in Ukraine,

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Speaker 1: war in Israel, and interestingly mixed feelings about both among

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Speaker 1: Americans right here on our soil, and I thought it

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Speaker 1: was time to bring in an expert sadly on the

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Speaker 1: subject of war. He is the former national security advisor

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Speaker 1: to both President Trump and Vice President Pence and co

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Speaker 1: chairman of the Center for American Security. Also a regular

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Speaker 1: visitor to Michigan and strong supporter of Republicans like Tom Barrett,

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Speaker 1: who is running for Congress. Without further ado, I want

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Speaker 1: to bring in retired Lieutenant General Keith Kellogg. General, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for coming on, Tutor.

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Speaker 2: It's good to be with you. Thank you, and all

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Speaker 2: by the way, great supporter of yours, You're great.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Yes, and I mean, honestly for people listening.

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Speaker 1: You traveled around the country in twenty two and I

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Speaker 1: saw you several times in Michigan, and I just appreciate

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Speaker 1: what you were willing to do to stand up for

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Speaker 1: strong concernervatives out there. And right now we need strong

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Speaker 1: people to stand up and explain what's going on because

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Speaker 1: one of the things that we've been experienced I was experiencing,

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Speaker 1: I would say since October seventh. Is I don't think

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Speaker 1: people really understand what we're seeing. And we have too

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Speaker 1: many people who have never had any experience with war

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Speaker 1: or strategy or anything like that coming out and saying

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Speaker 1: this is how it should be done. And I think

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Speaker 1: that's incredibly dangerous for people across the country watching on

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Speaker 1: social media and saying, oh, yeah, I think they're right,

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Speaker 1: and having no idea what that actually means. So I

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Speaker 1: wanted to kind of hit on both things because we

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Speaker 1: just had a guest Don who said something really interesting.

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Speaker 1: He was saying, how you don't hear the term ceasefire

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Speaker 1: come up at all with Ukraine, but you hear it

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Speaker 1: with Israel. Why are we having such a different reaction

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Speaker 1: to the war with Russia Ukrainian war with Russia than

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Speaker 1: we are with Israel, Tutor.

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Speaker 2: That's a great question. In fact, I was talking to

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Speaker 2: my team today about this and how they're really kind

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Speaker 2: of dissimilar, and I was trying to get in my

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Speaker 2: mind how to kind of talk the way through what

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Speaker 2: you're seeing what's happening in Israel right now and also Ukraine.

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Speaker 2: In Russia going on, let's just stay right now a bit.

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Speaker 2: With Israel. The reason why I think you're hearing ceasefire

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Speaker 2: is now it's an issue that crosses just not geography,

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Speaker 2: but acrosses religious lines as well, across his personalities, and

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Speaker 2: you look at what's happening there and you go, there's nobody.

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Speaker 2: It's really unsettling because you've got a lot of players

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Speaker 2: involved in the process. Where Ukraine and Russia is kind

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Speaker 2: of clean. It's Russia versus Ukraine. Supporters of Ukraine considerable number,

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Speaker 2: very few numbers supporting Russia. But it's like a territorial dispute,

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Speaker 2: simplistically put, this is much much deeper than that. It's

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Speaker 2: really it's not just generational. It's a religious discussion that

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Speaker 2: goes back pre biblical times. And when they talk about ceasefire,

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Speaker 2: I think people got to run a little bit scared

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Speaker 2: because when they sit down and talk about it, it's

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Speaker 2: really hard to put your hands around it and hard

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Speaker 2: to get to an end state on it. And what

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Speaker 2: they're actually facing Hamas out of Gaza, which is one

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Speaker 2: organization they have to concern themselves with, and then you

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Speaker 2: all supported by Iran, which is an external state, is

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Speaker 2: supporting both. Interestingly enough, you know you've got a Ran

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Speaker 2: you've got Hamas which is Suni Muslim. And usually they're

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Speaker 2: fighting each other, this time they're fighting together. So trying

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Speaker 2: to put all this together, I think people are concerned about, well,

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Speaker 2: how do you get out of this? And this one

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Speaker 2: is really hard to get out of. And the reason

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Speaker 2: about a two state solution, fast Palestinian homeland a Jewish homeland,

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Speaker 2: and you really have to cut through the chatter and

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Speaker 2: it's really hard to do it. Let me get back

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Speaker 2: when we have had this issue in the Trump White House,

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Speaker 2: we realized the only way out of this was economics.

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Speaker 2: Of all things. We said, they have been fighting for generations,

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Speaker 2: We said, if you can make everybody's lives better with

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Speaker 2: When you've got Hamas which wants to, by their charter,

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Speaker 2: an extermination plan, and it's supported by Iran. Iran in

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Speaker 2: And then you look at the external influences which is

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Speaker 2: You've got Iran that's involved, You've got Jordan that's involved,

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Speaker 2: You've got EASIP involved, You've got the United States that's involved,

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Speaker 2: You've got everybody playing in this pretty tough neighborhood and

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Speaker 2: I would come from a long discussion trying to make

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Speaker 2: You have to be very very clear, be very very

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Speaker 2: you explain that in state. And what I think this

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Speaker 2: administration is doing is explaining way too much. Too many

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Speaker 2: have the force behind it. But you've got Blincoln in

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Speaker 2: And they're not all saying the same thing, you know, I.

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Speaker 1: Mean Blincoln was tough at the UN. He came out

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Speaker 1: and he he You know, we've not heard this administration

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Speaker 2: Well but it's but it's their actions, tutor, what they're

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Speaker 2: when I remember when President Trump we were in the

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Speaker 2: you attack an American, you forfeit your life. Okay, we

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Speaker 2: got that one, and then everybody stayed on that message.

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Speaker 2: We said, Okay, you kill an American, We're coming after you.

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Speaker 2: The armin American were coming after you. What they are

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Speaker 2: that concerns me. B. Lincoln did make some hard comments.

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Speaker 2: But now the question is, okay, are you going to

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Speaker 2: What I mean by clarity, this is clarity. If you

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Speaker 2: You Okay, they haven't heard that. I haven't heard this

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Speaker 2: administration say. For the homostly some of them are living

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Speaker 2: in exile right now, and Cutter, we are coming after you,

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Speaker 2: you need to have clarity of thought like that. And

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Speaker 2: it's hard to say that that's true. It's hard to

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Speaker 2: happened in our early October was that this issue is

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Speaker 2: something that I thought we stopped in nineteen forty five.

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Speaker 2: And what I mean by nineteen forty five, when we

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Speaker 2: Well do we mean that? Do we really mean never again?

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Speaker 2: And if we mean never again, then you prosecute to

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Speaker 2: eliminate AMAS, which is a terrorist organization. Any way, you

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Speaker 1: Here's my question about that, And I think this is

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Speaker 1: after the boogeyman because you just said some of them

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Speaker 2: Well, it's a great question, and I'll give you the answer.

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Speaker 2: We came up with, primarily with when We did it

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Speaker 2: basically eliminate, kill the leadership, and then you tell the

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Speaker 2: that's what we did with ISIS. We went down the line.

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Speaker 2: nobody knows who the leader of vices is right now

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Speaker 2: what we're going to do. It's not clean, it's not easy,

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Speaker 2: It's kind of a hodgepodge of discussions, relationships, plans of action.

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Speaker 2: and also what they did with Saudi Arabia. So you

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Speaker 2: make a case for it what's best for America and

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Speaker 2: it's not, by the way, it's not climate change. It's

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Speaker 2: being aggressive about it. But you have to explain that.

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Speaker 2: And I think part of the problem this administration has

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Speaker 2: and I talked to Kaylee Mcaninny today about that. It's

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Speaker 2: a messaging issue. They don't message very well. What is

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Speaker 2: the message to the American people? You know, when President

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Speaker 2: Biden went on television last week, couter that was the

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Speaker 2: first time in over six hundred days that he addressed

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Speaker 2: the nation about Ukraine, but then he conflated it with Israel.

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Speaker 2: I said before that address, I wish he would just

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Speaker 2: focus in strictly on Israel. He could have handled Ukraine

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Speaker 2: in the five or six hundred days before that, and

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Speaker 2: he didn't do it. But when he brought all of

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Speaker 2: that together, it just confused America more and more so

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Speaker 2: you couldn't really figure out, Okay, what's really important here.

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Speaker 2: He talked everything from climate change to Israel, to Ukraine,

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Speaker 2: to support, to bigotry, you name it. It was all in.

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Speaker 2: It was like a dog's breakfast.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that there has been a bigger infiltration

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Speaker 1: of I would say the enemy within even our youth

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Speaker 1: and our schools, because I think climate change is interesting

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Speaker 1: that you bring up. I mean, I think for many

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Speaker 1: years we have seen Greta Thunberg out there talking about

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Speaker 1: this and we've always kind of said, you know, this

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Speaker 1: is just this is just a child who's got involved

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Speaker 1: in this issue and is probably being used by people.

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Speaker 1: But the last few days she's come out for Palestine,

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Speaker 1: she has said that she's with essentially with the terrorist group.

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Speaker 1: And I would have to argue that her messaging and

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Speaker 1: her visits to the UN and her demands that the

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Speaker 1: United States stop drilling for oil has made or Ran

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Speaker 1: a very rich country, has made the Middle East very rich.

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Speaker 1: And as we've talked about this DEI and these things

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Speaker 1: in schools where we're talking about climate change, we're talking

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Speaker 1: about oppressors, we're talking about all this stuff, it has

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Speaker 1: really changed the hearts and minds of young people in

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Speaker 1: the United States, and it almost seems like it was planned.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, Tutor, we're a great nation. And when

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Speaker 2: you look at what we have done in the world,

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Speaker 2: and when they accuse us of things like, you know,

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Speaker 2: being negative on the environment, I would push back and say, now,

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Speaker 2: look at the environmental activities that we've done over the

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Speaker 2: last thirty forty years compared to the rest of the world.

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Speaker 2: I feel pretty good about what America's done. And I'm

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Speaker 2: not going to wear that, you know, that sackcloth and

475
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Speaker 2: ashes over my head and really apologize for anything and

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Speaker 2: she kind of showed her true colors when she came

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Speaker 2: out on the Palestinian issue, and we just have to

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Speaker 2: My concern is we don't educate our young very well

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Speaker 2: about this. We don't talk about it very well, and

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Speaker 2: I think there's a huge lack of education in our

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Speaker 2: schools and with our kids as well, that we explain

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Speaker 2: to them what's really going on. And this is the

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Speaker 2: reason I think it's important, which is this is a huge,

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Speaker 2: by the way, intellectual leap. This is the reason I

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Speaker 2: think it's so important that parents get so very heavily

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Speaker 2: involved in the schools because they need to know what

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Speaker 2: their kids are being taught, because that's where they're going

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Speaker 2: to get you. That's what we can push back on

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Speaker 2: these schools and some of these issues. Let the parents

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Speaker 2: getting involved and say, no, this is really what's good

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Speaker 2: about America because I get the feeling and you see

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Speaker 2: it that there's a lot of negativity about what our

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Speaker 2: nation has done in the past and what it's doing

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Speaker 2: in the future. You know, there's people trying to get

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Speaker 2: into this country. You know, we didn't build a wall

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Speaker 2: to prevent people from leaving it. We've prevented them from

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Speaker 2: coming in, not a whole lot of people leaving this

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Speaker 2: country they want to be.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on

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Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon Podcast. We had a generation that missed

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Speaker 1: getting involved in school because we always felt safe. We

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Speaker 1: felt like that was the place the teachers knew best,

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Speaker 1: they had it under control, and people stepped back. And

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Speaker 1: then I would say that the generation, maybe starting in

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Speaker 1: my generation, the generation below me, really started kind of

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Speaker 1: going through this indoctrination of what we see today, these

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Speaker 1: kids on college campuses that are out there protesting after

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Speaker 1: we just saw a genocidal attack on Israel. And so

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Speaker 1: this generation, my generation that has kids in school now,

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Speaker 1: that generation that you're calling on to get involved in

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Speaker 1: schools is somewhat confused as to what the message is,

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Speaker 1: which I think is shocking. But we seem to have

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Speaker 1: missed it a little bit. Now we have to go backwards.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think a lot of that is the role

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Speaker 2: of parents too, Tudor. I think you had it right,

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Speaker 2: not only in your campaign, but like we do what

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Speaker 2: you've done with your family, and I think you have

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Speaker 2: to look like we've done with our family. Basically, you

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Speaker 2: have to kind of sit down and talk your way

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Speaker 2: through it. Not let them sit at the dinner table,

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Speaker 2: you know, looking at their iPad or looking at their iPhones,

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Speaker 2: but actually talk about what's happening and have these discussions

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Speaker 2: because it's too important. And I remember growing up. I

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Speaker 2: mean the toughest discussions I had was on a Saturday

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Speaker 2: morning having breakfast with my mom, dad and my brothers

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Speaker 2: and sisters. It was like World War three around the table.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, at least we got it out and

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Speaker 2: we talked about it. And I don't think you're seeing

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Speaker 2: that today. And that's the reason why is a whole

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Speaker 2: generation which is unfortunate and it's kind of like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: how do we fix it? And not to put blame

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Speaker 2: on anybody would say, look, this is something we've got

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Speaker 2: to get our youth kind of up to game again

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Speaker 2: that we haven't done. And I think that's the reason

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Speaker 2: why you see a loss of patriotism in this country,

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Speaker 2: if polling's and the interest that's read, and why you

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Speaker 2: see that the military and the Army, Navy and Air

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Speaker 2: Force this year have missed the recruiting goals. The Army

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Speaker 2: has missed it two years in a row. Because you

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Speaker 2: see all these issues and you need to kind of

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Speaker 2: explain it to them what's right and what's wrong. That's

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Speaker 2: the reason why I talk about Israel I said in

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Speaker 2: nineteen forty five, this is a moral issue, and this

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Speaker 2: is an issue you talk about moral clarity, and you say, look,

545
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Speaker 2: there's a real issue here between good and bad, you know,

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Speaker 2: evil and good, and explain it to them why this

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Speaker 2: is important. You know, terrorists gleefully saying and explaining over

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Speaker 2: the phone how they killed women and children. That is

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Speaker 2: not good. That's evil, and that has to be eradicated.

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Speaker 2: We went after that in nineteen forty five, and we

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Speaker 2: need to do it again. And we need to explain

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Speaker 2: that to people. And we need to explain that on

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Speaker 2: college campuses, and we need to explain that when people

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Speaker 2: rip posters off off a telephone poll that shows the missing,

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Speaker 2: just challenge those people. And I think it has to

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Speaker 2: be done. And I think that's important if we need

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Speaker 2: to bring the next generation along and troum what's really right,

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Speaker 2: not only in their own lives, but in America as well.

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Speaker 1: And that I think what you see, I think that

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Speaker 1: it is not just I love what you're saying, because

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Speaker 1: it's not just that. As parents, we need to talk

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Speaker 1: to our kids. We had a guest on one time

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Speaker 1: who told us that the majority of parents don't have

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Speaker 1: more than fifteen minutes of meaningful conversation with their children

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Speaker 1: in a week, meaningful conversation, and it really struck me,

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Speaker 1: and I sat back and I thought to myself, how

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Speaker 1: much content is my child consuming every week that is

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Speaker 1: coming at her from all different perspectives that she feels

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Speaker 1: is meaningful. And I'm not talking about that with her.

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Speaker 1: You know, how often are they getting information? But my

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Speaker 1: kids will come to me and they'll say, well, Mom,

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Speaker 1: you know you're watching the news and you see this,

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Speaker 1: but did you know that all of these people are

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Speaker 1: dying and it was actually their land? And then we

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Speaker 1: have an opportunity to kind of say, Okay, let's let's

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Speaker 1: unpack this a little bit. Let's talk about why we

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Speaker 1: need to have an ally there. I mean, these are

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Speaker 1: hard conversations, but even over and above the Israel conversations,

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Speaker 1: we still have people that are putting content into our kids'

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Speaker 1: minds to say, step away from faith, step away from family,

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Speaker 1: step away from traditional relationships, that kind of stuff. And

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Speaker 1: if that's not what you want your child consuming, or

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Speaker 1: you want to talk about it. Make sure you have

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Speaker 1: those discussions with your kids so that they know where

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Speaker 1: your values lie. And I, honestly, I've had this conversation too.

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Speaker 1: It is worth putting things aside that you want to

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Speaker 1: have in your life to have a values based education

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Speaker 1: for your child.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and international close the circle nowork, because here's why

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Speaker 2: it's so important in national security. We do that because

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Speaker 2: sometime one day it may happen again, God, I hope

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Speaker 2: it doesn't happen. In mind that this nation will be

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Speaker 2: involved in a general war, a major war, and that's

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Speaker 2: when you need young men and women of today to

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Speaker 2: rise up and support and fight our nation's worst. And

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Speaker 2: they can if they don't believe in it. And the

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Speaker 2: last time I saw this nation truly come together was

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Speaker 2: in the First Goal for And I was deployed in

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Speaker 2: the First Goal for. But I remember coming home and

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Speaker 2: you know the uriala rithms around the trees and the

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Speaker 2: amount of support we had. And that's the kind of

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Speaker 2: generation that you're going to need, and they're going to

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Speaker 2: need it that they have to believe in this country.

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Speaker 2: And it goes back to what you said earlier, that's

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Speaker 2: we talk about America first. When you talk about again,

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Speaker 2: it's not isolationism, it's your value set. It's what you're

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Speaker 2: willing to do. But we both internationally and nationally as

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Speaker 2: well and what it means, and that means sometimes we

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Speaker 2: have to extend ourselves as Americans in places we had

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Speaker 2: never planned on being or hope not to be, and

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Speaker 2: actually fight for this nation, fights for its value set

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Speaker 2: and what we wanted to be, what this world we

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Speaker 2: wanted to be. And that's where we're kind of coming

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Speaker 2: right now. I don't see that at all.

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Speaker 1: We talked about that with another guest about after World

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Speaker 1: War two or during World War two, we had people

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Speaker 1: like Joe DiMaggio sign up and say, after Pearl Harbor,

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Speaker 1: I'm going I'm deploying. Same with nine to eleven, you

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Speaker 1: had people just say I'm going, I'm going to fight

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Speaker 1: for this country. And today we hear people who are saying, well,

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Speaker 1: why would I want to go over there and do this?

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Speaker 1: And I think that that is a lesson too, and

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Speaker 1: how important it is to have a key ally in

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Speaker 1: such a volatile portion of the world, but an important

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Speaker 1: portion of the world, because that is where a lot

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Speaker 1: of oil production is coming from, and there is a

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Speaker 1: lot of power, there's there's so We could probably talk

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Speaker 1: for hours about this, but I love that you brought

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Speaker 1: the parents into this and I'm so glad you were

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Speaker 1: here with me today. Lieutenant General Keith Kellogg, thank.

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Speaker 2: You so much for coming on Tudors, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: And thank you all for joining us on the Tutor

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Speaker 1: Dixon Podcast. As always, for this episode and others, go

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