Speaker 1: Forever. Look man, oh, I see you? Why why? And
Speaker 1: look over there? How is that culture? Yes? Goodness? Let
Speaker 1: calling already there's a lot of culture to discuss up top.
Speaker 1: First of all, this is what I have to address.
Speaker 1: Our guest has a mug that he's drinking coffee out
Speaker 1: of right now. And you fully gooped and gagged and
Speaker 1: laughed so at the words on a mug, at a
Speaker 1: mug joke. Okay, because I didn't I hadn't seen this
Speaker 1: mug before. Is this mug in the studio? Hp? Okay?
Speaker 1: And to know that there's been comical mugs around the
Speaker 1: studio and I haven't seen them, it really makes you question. Okay,
Speaker 1: everything so in my mind needs to be experienced. Just
Speaker 1: read the mugs. I don't. I don't understand. So imagine
Speaker 1: reading this for the very first time and getting to
Speaker 1: the end of the sentence and what it must have
Speaker 1: felt like to get to this punchline. This mug says
Speaker 1: the captain is always right, and I'm the captain. I
Speaker 1: think it's very funny, very captain, Philip. It's you know what,
Speaker 1: it's mug humor. Mug humor is specific. Mug humor is
Speaker 1: different than dad humor. Oh, it's it's the own subculture
Speaker 1: of humor. You know. The thing about mug humor, it
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be it doesn't have to be super sharp,
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be you know, Tina fe It
Speaker 1: can just be. It can be light humor, and you
Speaker 1: can get the same thing out of it as you
Speaker 1: would sitting in front of an episode of Tina Fey. Right, Um,
Speaker 1: but that shouldn't shouldn't the Barbie raised on mug humor.
Speaker 1: I think we can just equalize everything across all platforms.
Speaker 1: You always want more, you do, and you're never satisfied
Speaker 1: with enough. It's really a thing about you. I I
Speaker 1: never ever ever want for more with our guests. Does
Speaker 1: that make sense? I get, Well, here's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Here's that would say? Is that statement makes sense to you?
Speaker 1: As someone who makes no sense in the majority of
Speaker 1: the time, I would say, I will take it, but
Speaker 1: say it again, I never want for more from our guests.
Speaker 1: I think here's the way you should say it. Our
Speaker 1: guests never leaves me wanting more. No, no, our guests
Speaker 1: always leaves me wanting more. No, that's not good. No, no, No,
Speaker 1: our guest is so fucking good. How about that? You
Speaker 1: are you are fucking um? What's your face? Little Mama
Speaker 1: on America's Next Dance Crew, Little America's Next Top Dance
Speaker 1: Next Top Dance Crew. It was little Littlema was famous.
Speaker 1: She was she was famous. She did not know how
Speaker 1: the English language works. She was like, I love the
Speaker 1: fire that you brought, and you extinguish that fire and
Speaker 1: you can't with that fire with that performance. I love
Speaker 1: you guys so much. You always cease to amaze you always.
Speaker 1: It's actually real culture number ninety four. You always ceased
Speaker 1: to amaze me. And so she was icon. Remember when
Speaker 1: you want to up on stage at the m as
Speaker 1: rever forget um. But I'm basically I had a little
Speaker 1: Mama moment where I just I said something that you knew.
Speaker 1: The audience knows what I'm trying to say, but it's
Speaker 1: not said in the right way. This is my whole life.
Speaker 1: I don't know my word. I do know my heart.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Wait a minute, speaking of little podcast catchphrases,
Speaker 1: Matt is wearing and we're eating grapes. Fruit is what
Speaker 1: candy is based on. Have to have question, who about
Speaker 1: the grapes? I brought the grapes and grapes. Grapes are
Speaker 1: like candy. I am wearing right. Grapes are like candy,
Speaker 1: and fruit is what candy is. There as many pieces
Speaker 1: of candy that is based on grape. There was many
Speaker 1: pieces of candy, And so what I'm wearing right now
Speaker 1: is a little piece of merch that says fruit is
Speaker 1: what candy is based on. Which is the dumbest sentence
Speaker 1: in the world. And it wasn't even said by me.
Speaker 1: It was or by me, It was by Soudy Green. Yes,
Speaker 1: and fruit is what candy is based on. I think
Speaker 1: about this every dumb bit I was eating. I was
Speaker 1: eating dried mango last night. I've been really good about
Speaker 1: my late night eating. I have not instead of ordering
Speaker 1: from like like a grilled cheese from a miner at
Speaker 1: like two in the morning, I just I munched on
Speaker 1: dried mango and I thought, this is candy. The fruit
Speaker 1: is what candy is based on. Um. Before we bring
Speaker 1: in the guests, I want to just talk one more
Speaker 1: thing about because you brought up food that's not good
Speaker 1: to eat. I'm shocked that you and the guests don't
Speaker 1: have a history with checkers, the restaurant checkers, the fast
Speaker 1: food restaurant checker. Okay, yeah, we can talk about that.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about this for the majority of the episode.
Speaker 1: I don't know there's a Checkers anyway. On four and
Speaker 1: that I was like blown away that there was a Checkers.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of Checkers, is well. I didn't know
Speaker 1: about this, and so all the cultures just in New York.
Speaker 1: Now you know, there's a fucking Checkers in New York.
Speaker 1: And it's on fourteenth, between like between fourth and thirteenth,
Speaker 1: on like first and there's one. Don't tell me the
Speaker 1: water marked earmarked earmarked on your maps. I don't know,
Speaker 1: all right. I love our guests. I just did the
Speaker 1: corporate retreat that this that our guests are fabulous guests
Speaker 1: did as his character Gordon, and let me tell you something,
Speaker 1: each and every person in the audience was more than tickled.
Speaker 1: They were thoroughly entertained. And I was like, that's because
Speaker 1: this is like a fucking confident asked performer. That's just
Speaker 1: like good, it's just funny and appealing, and the voice
Speaker 1: is pinpoint precise. I love that. I very much like
Speaker 1: exactly what I look for in an experience performer. But
Speaker 1: then you know, what the deeper pleasure is. What's the
Speaker 1: deeper pleasure, bitch is getting to know him as a friend.
Speaker 1: You came back from Fire Island trip and you literally this,
Speaker 1: this is because I did not go. I famously like,
Speaker 1: uh skipped out on the trip to go experience sometime
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles and get back to really my roots.
Speaker 1: What did I say? You said, we have a new judy.
Speaker 1: We have a new judy, not that we weren't always judies,
Speaker 1: but like you came back from this trip and you
Speaker 1: were like you had an experience you had had like
Speaker 1: a next Well the experience was acid, but also like
Speaker 1: you also like fully were like, I have a new
Speaker 1: like top person in my life and it's joke. And
Speaker 1: I was like, I already co signed, I'm already there,
Speaker 1: I'm already on board, and it's it's if I as
Speaker 1: if I had the experience myself. Yes, I mean just
Speaker 1: the true grew of the commune. Do you know what?
Speaker 1: And also you know they're all the boys are talking
Speaker 1: about about some pictures. You know, let's let's just say
Speaker 1: he tickled us some more ways. Oh it's to do this.
Speaker 1: Don't lead with the sex. I never leave with sex.
Speaker 1: It's six minutes of fourteen seconds, all right, and then
Speaker 1: I'll talk about sex, you know, every three minute? What
Speaker 1: is it every six seconds I think about sex? I
Speaker 1: waited six minutes. Okay, now it's time. It's time to
Speaker 1: please bring in our guests for today, Joe Castle Bakerlo,
Speaker 1: what an intro? And can you believe we didn't even
Speaker 1: say that like the plug that were supposed to do
Speaker 1: the spectacle? Such a fun show, Hi, Joe, I truly
Speaker 1: believe that we are. We are like war pals. After
Speaker 1: truly are war pals. You know what I remember so
Speaker 1: vividly is the image of you was at the peak
Speaker 1: of our ls, just a moment as we all went
Speaker 1: back into the house and we all and You're like,
Speaker 1: I need to chop some fruit, and you took up
Speaker 1: you fullyat a psychotic moment. It truly felt like like
Speaker 1: are you sure we should be touching knives? And we're
Speaker 1: all just in the kitchens screaming like lunatics. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Joe has like a knife with him and he's just
Speaker 1: like pairing this. He's scoring the thing of the pineapple,
Speaker 1: opens it up and then he does this hand but
Speaker 1: he does this like violent chop like with one hand,
Speaker 1: didn't didn't didn't, didn't stabilize the pineapple just goes fact
Speaker 1: that that that that, and I was like truly something visceral,
Speaker 1: like like oh my god, dressed me on I don't
Speaker 1: remember this. I like that sound safe? It was. It
Speaker 1: was not safe. I mean it wasn't safe, but that
Speaker 1: was the thrill. But that was the moment dangerous. And
Speaker 1: then like it was the chop chop chapter and then
Speaker 1: all of us I think, me, Max, Peter, where we
Speaker 1: were all like wait, wait, wait, let's be careful, like
Speaker 1: we all like at a communal moment of like hold on,
Speaker 1: wait a stop because especially like I feel like when
Speaker 1: you're on asset, it's like and like there could be
Speaker 1: something that dangerous that that could happen considerate deeply. I mean,
Speaker 1: if that had happened, if I had cut off a
Speaker 1: finger on acid on the final day of Fire Island,
Speaker 1: can you imagine imagine it goes in the book. It
Speaker 1: would be a great book chapter. It might have been
Speaker 1: a good Yeah. Do you guys feel this way? I
Speaker 1: feel like it's I'm constantly living in fear that like
Speaker 1: the times that I've done it already have like cut
Speaker 1: a hole in my brain and I don't feel this way. Okay,
Speaker 1: I've done it twice. I did it that one time,
Speaker 1: and then I did it with my brother, his wife
Speaker 1: and their friend Um at my mom's house in Connecticut,
Speaker 1: and it was like amazing. It was so fun, but
Speaker 1: it also was not nearly as intense as it was
Speaker 1: on Fire Island. The first time it took a very
Speaker 1: very light dose, but then on Fire Island it was
Speaker 1: like I am not on Earth in another place. It
Speaker 1: seems like it was a real moment that you guys
Speaker 1: had like the second time, I like the first time
Speaker 1: with Joe, like the floor would move, like the sky
Speaker 1: was like screaming, screaming rainbows. I was like this, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like, this is I've reached the astral plane.
Speaker 1: I will never leave. So that time that we did
Speaker 1: it together upstate after that was that like an ideal
Speaker 1: That was an ideal one and like that was one
Speaker 1: where we just like rolled around on the grass, studied
Speaker 1: and acorns. It was this was the good This was
Speaker 1: the good moment that I don't think we've talked about
Speaker 1: this on the pod. There was a moment where it
Speaker 1: was it was the four of us and then mo
Speaker 1: Fri Passic was there and she had not an imbibe,
Speaker 1: but she's just on that plane anyway. So I was like,
Speaker 1: are you gonna be okay? Like we're all gonna be
Speaker 1: doing this LSD and she's like, oh no, no, you'll
Speaker 1: see you're coming to my level and I which I loved.
Speaker 1: And so then we're all sitting under this tree and
Speaker 1: I had just cried a lot and you guys all
Speaker 1: listened to me, and that was very That was very power.
Speaker 1: It was very early on. It was like, so I
Speaker 1: knew during the trip that I would have like the
Speaker 1: emotional breakthrough. That's why I was excited about it. It It
Speaker 1: happened like thirty minutes into it. I was like, the
Speaker 1: second LSD touches your tongue, It's like I was like,
Speaker 1: I think what I really need? Um? And then then
Speaker 1: I was just like sat in the havoc for an
Speaker 1: hour and that was gorgeous. UM. But my favorite part
Speaker 1: was we're sitting under this tree. I just had this
Speaker 1: breakthrough and then we're all like holding hands and like,
Speaker 1: so this spider walks up and pass it goes okay.
Speaker 1: I just want everyone to know that the spider right
Speaker 1: there on the floor is a brown recluse, and I'm dead.
Speaker 1: And then she goes, she goes, that's a brown, brown
Speaker 1: recluse and it's one of the most poisonous spiders in
Speaker 1: the world. I think what we should do is thank
Speaker 1: the spider because it's not hurting us, and then we'll
Speaker 1: all walk away because I think we've actually had the
Speaker 1: moment here. And then we've all agreed that we actually
Speaker 1: all had the moment under the tree that yeah, you're
Speaker 1: you're a gage shock, you are gaping, and so we
Speaker 1: all literally turned to the spider, the brown recluse, allegedly,
Speaker 1: and we thanked the spider, got up, moved, and then
Speaker 1: we had another another moment somewhere else. I did look
Speaker 1: up the brown recluse later. It is not so I do,
Speaker 1: but you know what, but I saw that brown recluse
Speaker 1: is a recluse. It doesn't doesn't It's like it doesn't
Speaker 1: walk out on the grass. It's all come back to
Speaker 1: me now. I mean, that was a gorgeous moment. It
Speaker 1: was a gorgeous moment. We've we've had many gorgeous moms
Speaker 1: with each other. We have missed in the circle capital
Speaker 1: capital age. I mean we all we all went to
Speaker 1: the university. Now you now, now you, Okay, this is
Speaker 1: the thing. We all went to different schools, and there's
Speaker 1: so many and there's a lot of rumors about where
Speaker 1: we all went. There's a flying us are flying. We
Speaker 1: have to address this. There's ioa debri He says, there's
Speaker 1: a vicious rumor going around our guest, Joe castle Baker.
Speaker 1: Was it e t W Experimental Theater Wing which is
Speaker 1: a Joe, please address that. When I heard that, at first,
Speaker 1: I went, okay, I'll take this head on, um and
Speaker 1: I was very flattered that people could imagine me barefoot,
Speaker 1: you know, doing whatever they do. They dropped in rolling
Speaker 1: on the floor, rolling on the floor, screaming, um to screaming,
Speaker 1: to get to screaming to unlock the truth exactly. But
Speaker 1: I went to Gallatin, which is the E t W
Speaker 1: of the A the studios in the Tish school, and
Speaker 1: then we nap it out bigger picture all of the
Speaker 1: schools at n y U. We could say Gallatin is
Speaker 1: the et W W. What okay, so, and I want
Speaker 1: to debunk a rumor right now. I did not go
Speaker 1: to CAP twenty one, despite being annoying and singing a
Speaker 1: lot and having like a big stage face famously music
Speaker 1: musical theater, Lady Gaga's erstwhile studio there um. And so okay,
Speaker 1: here's the thing. Yes, you're so right, Gallatin is et
Speaker 1: w at large and explain Galaton because not every one.
Speaker 1: Gallatin is the school where you make up your own major.
Speaker 1: But basically, here's the t If you go to Gallaton,
Speaker 1: you're studying English. It's not your study in English, it's
Speaker 1: just books. You're writing essays and you're learning like literary theory.
Speaker 1: There's no like you're not like wow, I'm really forging
Speaker 1: my own path. It's like no, no, no, So how
Speaker 1: does it work? Are there classes in Gallaton that you
Speaker 1: can take? Or because you're in Galaton you get to
Speaker 1: kind of select classes from all the different schools. You
Speaker 1: can select classes like I took like weird graduate courses
Speaker 1: in psychology, like my last semester um. But and then
Speaker 1: I was taking like I was in like a weird
Speaker 1: I was in a bunch of programs where you like
Speaker 1: couldn't get in unless you were in that specific program.
Speaker 1: But like if you write an email and say, like
Speaker 1: I go to Gallatin, they like the professor is impressed
Speaker 1: or something which is psycho they have to like they
Speaker 1: just have to listen to you the required by law
Speaker 1: or whatever. And so it's the Gallatin school of individualized study.
Speaker 1: And you didn't name your own major, right, Yeah, what
Speaker 1: was your mine was? I think mine was psychoanalysis and
Speaker 1: early modern anti theatricality. Oh my god, explained what that
Speaker 1: last part means. So there was like there was just
Speaker 1: like a lot of there was a like a backlash
Speaker 1: too theater um and there were like people that saw
Speaker 1: theater as like feminizing men um. And so I looked
Speaker 1: at like Marlowe and Shakespeare in there, I looked at
Speaker 1: their writing, and I looked at ways in which they
Speaker 1: were I don't even know, this is so so crazy
Speaker 1: like that I did this or like it was so bullshit,
Speaker 1: But like I tried to look at the writing to
Speaker 1: figure out like passive way that they were like fighting
Speaker 1: back against this like backlash, so like by it would
Speaker 1: be stupid things like oh, like setting the play in
Speaker 1: Venice instead of in London. You know, like that is
Speaker 1: a technically like a you know, passive aggressive way of
Speaker 1: getting back at like something like whatever societal agricultural force
Speaker 1: was happening. It was all bullshit, but I thought I was,
Speaker 1: so I don't I don't think it is bullshit. I
Speaker 1: mean I think like like large, like I think someone
Speaker 1: like me who I was just thinking. I was thinking
Speaker 1: to myself, how could you be eighteen years old and
Speaker 1: literally think I'm going to do something that's this because
Speaker 1: I literally was like I was like going to school
Speaker 1: and I was like I was in Liberal studies for
Speaker 1: my first year, and I was just like, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: probably gonna do broadcast journalism. I probably want to do
Speaker 1: what yet does. And literally it's like you were like,
Speaker 1: I'm actually even though the world. That's not even what
Speaker 1: I did. Though. When I first went to college, what
Speaker 1: was Because I went to Purchase first. Yes, I was
Speaker 1: in the conservatory there, so hello, that's tough one, but
Speaker 1: it's a good school. We made a transfer, but I well,
Speaker 1: I dropped out of college like two weeks before my
Speaker 1: sophomore year, which was a crazy time. And then I
Speaker 1: had to reapply to colleges again and I took it
Speaker 1: was so crazy. I was living in flat Bush. I
Speaker 1: took the A c T at a Catholic school in Flatbush.
Speaker 1: And when I was like nineteen and I was surrounded
Speaker 1: by these like sixteen seventeen year old boys, and it
Speaker 1: was me, this like white, nineteen year old hipster taking
Speaker 1: the act in Flatbush at a Catholic boys school. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like, perfect, cool, this is what my life
Speaker 1: is right now. And you were like, I think I
Speaker 1: want to go to Gallatin. So but then you get
Speaker 1: you got into Galts. What do you have to do
Speaker 1: to get into Galton to like prove that you're going
Speaker 1: to be able to Like God, I have no idea
Speaker 1: what it just happened. I was just like, I am
Speaker 1: a gay into didn't mind. And then they were like,
Speaker 1: can you do something around anti theatricality? Exactly? We're looking
Speaker 1: for someone to do something around anti theatricality. Um, did
Speaker 1: you ever run into the person whose major was happiness?
Speaker 1: He was famous at the school. There was someone in
Speaker 1: Gallatin who's major was There were so many people at
Speaker 1: Gallaton who like thought that they were like I am
Speaker 1: the quintessential Galton student and look at who God knows
Speaker 1: where they are now, you know, I mean truly like,
Speaker 1: but just hearing you say the person who majored in
Speaker 1: happiness was famous around camp. He was a campus celebrity.
Speaker 1: I don't know who that. I think the famous one
Speaker 1: was the guy who studied evil. I hadn't heard about that.
Speaker 1: What the fun the famous I mean the famous Gallatin
Speaker 1: student was like fucking Ashley Ols or Mary Kate Olson, right,
Speaker 1: I mean literally Mr Rooney was in Gallatin I think
Speaker 1: because of the flexibility, so she could get cater to
Speaker 1: her schedule exactly. Um. And also didn't Emma Emma her
Speaker 1: I need. Didn't her money go to else? No, she
Speaker 1: went to she went to Brown, but then she probably transferred. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I never really, I never really Like,
Speaker 1: here's the thing, saw any of the celebrities that were discussing.
Speaker 1: I saw James Franco once and I couldn't believe his boots.
Speaker 1: My celebrity whatever, my celebrity setting was just Malcolm Gladwell
Speaker 1: at BOBS. I was like, Wow, a celebrity. It's like
Speaker 1: such an asshole. I feel like I was not good
Speaker 1: at college. I was not. I don't think any of
Speaker 1: us were good at college. Some people some people are
Speaker 1: were good at college. I feel like it's the same
Speaker 1: thing like if you were good in high schools peek,
Speaker 1: and then it's like that's it. The rest of your
Speaker 1: life is like, um, you know, just living in the
Speaker 1: memory of that. What what? What? What do you mean?
Speaker 1: What I was? Um, I just wasn't a good So
Speaker 1: I was a chemistry major, and I was. I graduated
Speaker 1: with the B A instead of a B S. And
Speaker 1: most people in the program graduated with the B S
Speaker 1: because it was like they maintained a certain g p
Speaker 1: a they took certain classes. I was a B A
Speaker 1: because like, I didn't take like I just took shitty
Speaker 1: classes and I never went to class and I never
Speaker 1: I never did well in exams. Like I was just
Speaker 1: not a good on a on an academic level, I
Speaker 1: was not good. Kind of hard to believe, though, I
Speaker 1: find it. You're so smart, but like I truly was bad.
Speaker 1: Well being so smart and then being a good student.
Speaker 1: I think it is like, I think you have the
Speaker 1: most academic potential, probably of anyone I know, and but
Speaker 1: I understand that knowing that which I think you do
Speaker 1: know and also having skipped class a bunch, I get
Speaker 1: you saying you weren't good at knowledge. That's what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like I feel like I'm not. I don't sound smart often,
Speaker 1: but that's also because I don't care like I don't care.
Speaker 1: I try. I think I have chosen to be like
Speaker 1: a poop poo dumb comic from my whole life, so
Speaker 1: like it doesn't matter. But when I was in college,
Speaker 1: I wanted to get straight a's because I thought I
Speaker 1: was going to go to grad school, so I thought
Speaker 1: I needed to, like, you know, be really good. Was
Speaker 1: the endgame for you, like academia stuff. I wanted to
Speaker 1: be a therapist. Great, yeah, oh my god, when did
Speaker 1: that change? Well, I was like working in a research
Speaker 1: lab that like actually sounded it was really cool. Like
Speaker 1: I would watch videos of married couples fighting about their
Speaker 1: problems in their marriage, and I would watch them talk
Speaker 1: about their problems in their marriage before this like intervention,
Speaker 1: the thing that we were studying, and then after this
Speaker 1: program that they took. It was like a self study
Speaker 1: course on marital counseling from these couples. It was also
Speaker 1: also taught them like childcare. And then also we were
Speaker 1: like in the school of dentistry at n y U,
Speaker 1: so like they told taught them like weird dental care
Speaker 1: stuff too, And so I would look at the fight
Speaker 1: before the intervention and then afterwards, and then I had
Speaker 1: this like rubric that I would use to decipher whether
Speaker 1: or not they've been it's an improvement or not. So
Speaker 1: I would like turn this qualitative data into like numbers. Great,
Speaker 1: that's interesting that you would think. But then you're, oh
Speaker 1: my god, these these marriage fights are so boring. Okay,
Speaker 1: oh my god, that's the thing. You think it's going
Speaker 1: to be serving your drama juicy, but then it's like,
Speaker 1: I wish you would open up, and then there would
Speaker 1: be like ten minutes of silence afterwards where the guy
Speaker 1: would be like, yeah, you're right. When the conflict is
Speaker 1: you don't open up. You have to imagine what you're
Speaker 1: going to watch or somebody opening up. It's not like
Speaker 1: them being like when you fucked my sister, I was
Speaker 1: so ruined, Like it's not that all, and I wish
Speaker 1: for that. Oh my god, did you ever get anything fun?
Speaker 1: Oh my god? Once. But I don't think. I don't think.
Speaker 1: I think he's allowed to say if he doesn't name them,
Speaker 1: but just don't maybe, But there was one that was
Speaker 1: really really juicy, and I was like, oh god, where
Speaker 1: are you guys? I always think I think the really
Speaker 1: juicy couples are probably the ones to suffer the most. Well,
Speaker 1: the thing is I think I think that like we
Speaker 1: forget that, like this is gonna sound insane, but as
Speaker 1: such dynamic people, we have more dynamic problems. And when
Speaker 1: you're basic problem, I was gonna I was gonna say
Speaker 1: the exact opposite, where it's like as we get older,
Speaker 1: you know, or not interesting what I'm saying, we are
Speaker 1: are problems just flatten out across everybody in our where
Speaker 1: it's like I hope so too, where it's like this
Speaker 1: is just every marital problem now, where every relationship problem
Speaker 1: might have a similar thing to where it's like, well
Speaker 1: he wants his alone time and it would which is
Speaker 1: boring stuff because it's so normal. I don't know. Well,
Speaker 1: actually I am thankful I did it because I learned
Speaker 1: like really practical things to help with like fighting, and
Speaker 1: like the thing is the like secret for all, like
Speaker 1: marital resolution is like slowing things down like to a
Speaker 1: glacial pace in conversation, like you have to be you
Speaker 1: have to take hours to like talk about a single
Speaker 1: issue and you have to be extremely extremely slow. Yes,
Speaker 1: like a podcast almost, but that's no, that's brilliant, that's yeah,
Speaker 1: that's really good. So if you're listening on your struggling
Speaker 1: struggling down by honestly, that is because I feel like
Speaker 1: when Henry and I used to fight, like it was
Speaker 1: when we would have arguments, it kind of was like, WHOA,
Speaker 1: how did we get here so fast? And I think
Speaker 1: it's like you want to be like, you want to
Speaker 1: be like about this, but when this just bring up
Speaker 1: so many things that you're like you don't even remember
Speaker 1: anymore because you can mention something where like you the
Speaker 1: other person sucked up, but then you're focusing on that,
Speaker 1: but then they're focusing on the thing that you know
Speaker 1: you sucked up that, so each of them thinks like
Speaker 1: they're a victim, and they might be right. But if
Speaker 1: you're gonna, you know, think that way, then you're not
Speaker 1: going to do anything and nothing's going to happen. I
Speaker 1: feel there's also always an instinct in any kind of
Speaker 1: argument to win the argument, and so I would find
Speaker 1: that sometimes, like when I would have tough discussions really
Speaker 1: with anyone, We'll say relationships, but It'll be clear to
Speaker 1: me that I've done something wrong, but I've already begun
Speaker 1: this game of trying to prove that I'm right or
Speaker 1: that I didn't do something wrong, or that actually you
Speaker 1: did something wrong and that's the reason why I did this,
Speaker 1: And it's becomes this thing of like whoa. Slowing it
Speaker 1: down would make you ask yourself, like why am I
Speaker 1: being so defensive? Why can't I just own up to
Speaker 1: what I've And it's not even that hard to just
Speaker 1: drop it, not to drop it completely, but to like
Speaker 1: just to like release that and just like okay, actually,
Speaker 1: let me just take a minute to like recalt, liberate
Speaker 1: and just like get on your level. Do you think
Speaker 1: that conflict is important in a relationship. Oh, it's not
Speaker 1: whether or not it's important. It's like it's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: It's not like I mean, I would say, if you
Speaker 1: don't have any conflict, you're lying, Like you clearly have conflict,
Speaker 1: but you're like you're just ignoring it, or you are
Speaker 1: like in denial. Damn. Yeah. Henry used to say that.
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't like fighting, and he'd like, well,
Speaker 1: it's important that we sometimes have arguments because we have
Speaker 1: to get to the root of what's going on. And
Speaker 1: I was like, well, I don't like it, yeah, but
Speaker 1: you have to have to have to fight. When Peter
Speaker 1: and I first started dating, we Peter is my boyfriend.
Speaker 1: We we love I love Peter too. We better let
Speaker 1: me say something. It's really culture. You better love your boyfriend.
Speaker 1: But we would fight like we we would. Well, I
Speaker 1: think it was also kind of like we're both like fiery,
Speaker 1: we both have like strong opinions. What is your astrological sign.
Speaker 1: I'm a Capricorn, so I'm stubborn apparently, and Henry was
Speaker 1: a Capricorn. Henry is a Capricorn. He's still with us.
Speaker 1: And what element is that Peter is he's a Virgo,
Speaker 1: which is I don't know whatever. You don't care about this, well,
Speaker 1: I'm sure, Well, yeah, continue what you were saying. But
Speaker 1: we would we would actually fight more like when we
Speaker 1: first started dating than we do out We had like
Speaker 1: we would have because we would be like and it
Speaker 1: wouldn't be fights. It would be like you can't say
Speaker 1: that to me, or like you can't speak to me
Speaker 1: that way. That's great because you we would like or
Speaker 1: like little things that would be like rules that we
Speaker 1: would set for each other. And then like I think
Speaker 1: because we just like listened now we don't really fight,
Speaker 1: and I don't know, it's kind of I think it's
Speaker 1: kind of rare to see that or maybe maybe not,
Speaker 1: I don't know, but you're setting up if you're if
Speaker 1: you're doing it early on it. What's nice is that
Speaker 1: it might just set up like a model for what
Speaker 1: this looks like. Yeah, and it's not that it's like, well,
Speaker 1: nothing's going to be as bad as that, but it's
Speaker 1: also you you're you understand well, we were like getting
Speaker 1: to know each other. Yeah, okay, so it was like
Speaker 1: and so wait do you like you don't have to
Speaker 1: get too into detail about what those early fights were about,
Speaker 1: but if it was something like you can't say that
Speaker 1: to me, he would say, like jokingly, things like oh
Speaker 1: you're such an idiot or something, and I'd be like,
Speaker 1: you can't say that. And if somebody, if somebody heard
Speaker 1: you say that, and this is so horrible with Peter.
Speaker 1: Here is this He's gonna be like, people are gonna
Speaker 1: think I'm au no, no, no, really sweet, that's really really,
Speaker 1: really a good person. And this was just something you know,
Speaker 1: like sometimes you'll say to a friend like, oh, you're
Speaker 1: such an idiot, But to me, I was like, you
Speaker 1: can't do that to somebody. And I think I was
Speaker 1: really clear. I was like if somebody heard you say that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it would be embarrassing, right of course. Yeah, That's the
Speaker 1: best way to frame it is like it comes at
Speaker 1: a cost to you to do what you're doing, and
Speaker 1: like the best simplest way to just catch all everything
Speaker 1: is just to be like, you're embarrassing your exactly that
Speaker 1: strong chills chills. It gave me a chill when you
Speaker 1: said that and you looked in my eyes and you
Speaker 1: did you did that. I did the gesticulation gesticulation, and
Speaker 1: it made me shake. It made it, in fact, made
Speaker 1: me shake. That's like my favorite thing when I'm able
Speaker 1: to do that, when I'm able to like, I remember
Speaker 1: this one when I was in acting school, I had
Speaker 1: I said this. We had this final moment my freshman
Speaker 1: year where we were all sat around in a circle
Speaker 1: and we said things to each other love. I wish
Speaker 1: that was life. I wish there was just circles and talking.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I said this one thing to this
Speaker 1: guy and he was like, I don't know, God, I
Speaker 1: can't believe this is what this is what so cringe.
Speaker 1: But he was like, Joe, I just I just don't
Speaker 1: I just don't think I've ever moved you. And then
Speaker 1: I looked at him and I said, this was a lie,
Speaker 1: but I just said it. I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: know when I'm not moved by you. This is this
Speaker 1: is in class, this class. And then the teacher no, no,
Speaker 1: you did go to E W. Bisch. But then the
Speaker 1: teacher was like, stop everyone stop. Did you just feel bad?
Speaker 1: The air changed in this purchase? Purchase? Come on, make
Speaker 1: that purchase. I know, right, that's so good. I know
Speaker 1: it was probably. Here's the thing though, like sometimes people like, okay,
Speaker 1: so in being involved in comedy. Now, I think that
Speaker 1: a lot of people look at that and I think
Speaker 1: maybe it's like more a projection thing, but they say
Speaker 1: they're all scared of being vulnerable, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like it's this thing, like this thing of like you
Speaker 1: never want to be real. But it's like and it
Speaker 1: makes me say, like, I also don't think that's true,
Speaker 1: because I think one of those vulnerable things you can
Speaker 1: do is get up on stage and like expose sense
Speaker 1: of humor. So all we do is be earnest on
Speaker 1: like this exactly whatever. I don't think it's there's been
Speaker 1: a shift. But you know, also even if you are
Speaker 1: like you know, lying or putting up a front like
Speaker 1: that's still a part of who you are. You're creating that.
Speaker 1: That's like, that's a part of you. It might not
Speaker 1: be the most like vulnerable week you know, part of you,
Speaker 1: but it's something that you believe in that like, this
Speaker 1: is what I want to put as like my identity
Speaker 1: in this moment. And they're not crying. Doesn't mean that
Speaker 1: you're not vulnerable. But that's and I think like some
Speaker 1: people who would have that criticism about comedy would think
Speaker 1: they'd be moved by something like what you just described.
Speaker 1: But we're now able to sit here and unpacked the
Speaker 1: fact the last you didn't even really mean it when
Speaker 1: you said that, and yet this man was like the
Speaker 1: energy and and you're kind of sitting there probably in
Speaker 1: the back of your mind being like, WHOA, that's crazy
Speaker 1: that they were receiving it this way because it wasn't genuine.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it wasn't genuine. I mean it was
Speaker 1: it was just me wanting to be like to have
Speaker 1: gravity tasks, like in the moment, I just wanted to
Speaker 1: make the choice that felt like I was in like
Speaker 1: in some kind of moody thing, which is what I
Speaker 1: don't know A lot of acting schools like that, just
Speaker 1: like you're kind of like brainwashing yourself. It's acting school
Speaker 1: mixed with that particular time. I think it was two
Speaker 1: thousand nine nine, like the eight Like just remember this,
Speaker 1: at least for me, like what felt peak culture at
Speaker 1: that time for me was like fucking Animal Collective, Like oh,
Speaker 1: like wow, stars, um, you know, fucking Connor Oberst Like
Speaker 1: that was like there was this whole framework of like
Speaker 1: being so emotionally tortured. That was like cool. I think
Speaker 1: that's being nineteen. I really think I should agree. I
Speaker 1: think part of it is like that age totally. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that's yeah, that was like specifically, my people
Speaker 1: are going through that literally right now. I think they're
Speaker 1: trying so hard to be um poignant, and I think
Speaker 1: like also trying so hard to prove your talent. And
Speaker 1: also I was actually just sitting here thinking about it,
Speaker 1: and in an acting school, if you actually were able
Speaker 1: to project that feeling of being moving, you did perform that,
Speaker 1: and if it was successful for those people, active shifted
Speaker 1: like I did it. You know you want the award
Speaker 1: and that I guess. Yeah, I mean, but it is
Speaker 1: so strange, like the things that they teach you in
Speaker 1: acting school as like because when you when I mean,
Speaker 1: at least now that I'm a comedie, I feel like
Speaker 1: part of why I like comedy more than acting is
Speaker 1: that like you have like a little bit of distance,
Speaker 1: which is like good, you have like a little I mean.
Speaker 1: And then there might be some people who are like
Speaker 1: why would you want distance? Don't you want truth or something?
Speaker 1: And it's like not yeah, or like it depends on
Speaker 1: the medium. Like first I guess for like whatever for
Speaker 1: stand ups, if this is such a lazy way to box,
Speaker 1: like just compartmentalize this, but like for stand ups, like
Speaker 1: that is what they're seeking is truth through an observation.
Speaker 1: For if you're doing like a Gordon, or if you're
Speaker 1: doing like a character, or if you're writing a sketch,
Speaker 1: that's like it's something that is somewhat removed from what
Speaker 1: you're trying to say. It's being couched in something else.
Speaker 1: I don't know, that's that's like not exactly an accurate
Speaker 1: I feel that this whole thing of like people who
Speaker 1: are like people who are critical of comedy, it's insecurity.
Speaker 1: It's it's them just being like unable to um understand
Speaker 1: how to be funny purposefully, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's it's and it's that's what I think. I mean
Speaker 1: whenever I experienced like trying to do comedy with actors
Speaker 1: at school, like for example, like we were in paper Roulette,
Speaker 1: like which was our sketch group, and that was like
Speaker 1: half people who had just done straight up acting and
Speaker 1: half people and like me and Sudy and you who
Speaker 1: had been in the comedy groups and had no experience
Speaker 1: really on stage. And the fusion of that was very
Speaker 1: interesting because when you ask someone who has just purely
Speaker 1: been an actor to do comedy, the insecurity that comes
Speaker 1: out is so like profound, like and it's it's so
Speaker 1: it's such fear and they it's incredible to watch someone
Speaker 1: who's been deep be trained in like Shakespearean classical acting
Speaker 1: be scared about landing a joke and feel the pressure
Speaker 1: that comes with like being compelling on stage in this way,
Speaker 1: and it's like, I'm of two minds about it. It's
Speaker 1: like a how could you have been through all What
Speaker 1: a waste to have gone through all of this years
Speaker 1: of an expensive training and then feel self conscious when
Speaker 1: you get on stage with certain material and I'm not
Speaker 1: saying self conscious ever really goes away. But it's like
Speaker 1: you should feel comfortable performing text no matter what it is.
Speaker 1: You should not have to think too hard about like
Speaker 1: timing of fart queue exactly like you know, and then
Speaker 1: at the same time by the same token. I also
Speaker 1: think that kind of means like acting training is not
Speaker 1: necessarily at all the only way to become good at that.
Speaker 1: I think it all works really still fashion, it's really
Speaker 1: old fashioned. It's like so out of touch with like
Speaker 1: the experience of actually trying to act in the world,
Speaker 1: like me being able to cry when I'm upstage right,
Speaker 1: because that is like the most vulnerable location on the
Speaker 1: stage floor for me, is like the last possible thing
Speaker 1: that I should be spending four months trying to do,
Speaker 1: Like I should be learning how to the fucking weight tables,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Or like I don't know
Speaker 1: I mean, And I'm sure that's like a cliche thing
Speaker 1: to hear, like I'm sure everybody who's an actor knows
Speaker 1: that now or whatever, but it is it does feel
Speaker 1: kind of like acting training programs are kind of like huckster, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Well, I think the people
Speaker 1: that make decisions about how those schools are run. Don't
Speaker 1: necessarily super care if everyone in that studio um is
Speaker 1: successful in the industry, because I think that literally, like
Speaker 1: like with something like experimental theaters at what some people
Speaker 1: do four years about studio and they've never acted once
Speaker 1: on camera and then they have a problem getting an agent,
Speaker 1: or they have a problem doing a commercial audition or
Speaker 1: even understanding how to behave on camera, And it's like, wow,
Speaker 1: could you have gone through a four year program and
Speaker 1: then try to expect is that ever promised? Though? You think,
Speaker 1: what do you mean? Like the people who run these
Speaker 1: programs and they're not advertising this as a thing of like, well,
Speaker 1: by the time you get out, you'll be successful, right, No, not,
Speaker 1: it's not your right Yeah. And also like when we
Speaker 1: were at n y U, like there was that huge
Speaker 1: like performance art boom, like with Marina Abramovich, Like everyone
Speaker 1: who was at the experimental theater and was like, I
Speaker 1: don't need to be on SVU, I can be And
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, I guess you could. You're also making
Speaker 1: that decision to try to be quote unquote Marina Abramovich
Speaker 1: at eighteen, and you will feel And I just think
Speaker 1: if we were all being like, if we're all actually
Speaker 1: looking at this like trying to have a career, which
Speaker 1: if you're going to a uh university that costs upwards
Speaker 1: of let's let's take n y U out of it.
Speaker 1: Let cost upwards of a K. And when all of
Speaker 1: a sudden done, which is what these things cost, you
Speaker 1: should try to be professor, should have professionally prepared. And
Speaker 1: I don't think that doing four unless you're extremely an
Speaker 1: extremely privileged situation, doing four years of pure just only
Speaker 1: only only theatrical training and expecting to make that a
Speaker 1: professional career, I think it would be it would be
Speaker 1: better for everyone if we just gave a more well
Speaker 1: rounded thing, Like everyone that goes to acting school should
Speaker 1: have an on camera class at least a class just
Speaker 1: like experience what it's like to try to replicate the
Speaker 1: professional experience, just for a little while, because it makes
Speaker 1: me sad to know that, like, I mean, come on,
Speaker 1: almost everyone we went to school with, I'm gonna say,
Speaker 1: of the people aren't doing it anymore, or like sad.
Speaker 1: Even class like a business class that even learn like
Speaker 1: like self promotion, like branding, branding, whatever, you know, like
Speaker 1: those things are really practical things that it's that thing.
Speaker 1: I sorry to relate it back to this, but like
Speaker 1: that BuzzFeed article about burnout was this the one was
Speaker 1: it buzzed? It was BuzzFeed. It was like this huge
Speaker 1: thing about how like how millennials are the burnout generation?
Speaker 1: Like and it's because so here's the thing. It's like,
Speaker 1: you're what you're expressing is like it's a shame that
Speaker 1: a program doesn't prepare you in a fully holistic professional
Speaker 1: way once you're in the industry. Like is that also
Speaker 1: I don't know the sense of obnoxious, but just like
Speaker 1: go with me, Like, is this also that thing where
Speaker 1: it's like our generation is a product of this mentality
Speaker 1: of well, our parents were promised a great life and
Speaker 1: retirement if they as long as they got a good education,
Speaker 1: went to college, went to vocational school, whatever, um. So
Speaker 1: if you do if you do A, then you will
Speaker 1: get outcome B and that is a good outcome. And
Speaker 1: so that what they passed down to us was well,
Speaker 1: if you take piano lessons, if you go to like
Speaker 1: tennis camp, if you if you go to s A T.
Speaker 1: Prep and get into a good college, then you will
Speaker 1: be set for life. And that is not true that
Speaker 1: or that promise was broken on our our generation. And
Speaker 1: so is it that same thing where it's like, um, you, well,
Speaker 1: if you come to tish and if it's one of
Speaker 1: the best and you and you're in one of the
Speaker 1: best acting programs in the country in the world, Um,
Speaker 1: then like you should be a working actor by the
Speaker 1: time you come out. Like that is also a false
Speaker 1: right well with any artistic endeavor, totally totally, But our
Speaker 1: generation is used to this idea of if I do this,
Speaker 1: then I will get that, which is not a volunte
Speaker 1: is true. And also like your trajectory changes so dramatically,
Speaker 1: like whether you like it or not. And so to
Speaker 1: be so pigeonholed so early is such a can be
Speaker 1: such a disaster down the line. And I mean people
Speaker 1: usually you know, are adaptive and figure it out, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, would they do whatever they need to do
Speaker 1: to like make a life for themselves, I think. But
Speaker 1: like it is so crazy that like that you can
Speaker 1: have such a such a like heavy decision be forced
Speaker 1: on you at such a young age. And that's I guess,
Speaker 1: like when in reading this article, it's like it's so
Speaker 1: sad to me that we are still in this kind
Speaker 1: of like situation where at eighteen you make a decision
Speaker 1: about where you're going to go to school and spend
Speaker 1: this exorbitant amount of money and like make this kind
Speaker 1: of career decision. I mean the majority of people I
Speaker 1: know and I'm not even I'm taking this even out
Speaker 1: of people that pursued acting like went to school and
Speaker 1: didn't even know the many different kinds of careers they
Speaker 1: could have. How are they going to go at eighteen
Speaker 1: years old, when they're not even a fully formed person
Speaker 1: and decide I'm going to spend this insane amount of
Speaker 1: money to make a decision about my career. I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean I knew. I grew up with a girl
Speaker 1: who she went to Towson University, also not cheap to
Speaker 1: go be because she liked the area and like the
Speaker 1: school to be um an elementary school teacher. And then
Speaker 1: when she graduated, she had a breakdown because she didn't
Speaker 1: want to do that. And it's like, I don't know
Speaker 1: about you guys, but where I'm from, it's like there
Speaker 1: were so many teachers and it's such an easy thing
Speaker 1: to say that you want to become because you haven't
Speaker 1: figured it out. You don't figure it out in high school.
Speaker 1: So you said you're gonna do this thing. That's nice,
Speaker 1: and they say and the guidance counselors, no shade, but
Speaker 1: they say, I can make that work. That's easy for me.
Speaker 1: I've done it before. And they send you off and
Speaker 1: it's like incredibly hard to get a job in that field.
Speaker 1: And also that is just because you see that so
Speaker 1: many times, because you went to a school. That doesn't
Speaker 1: mean yes, it's so different, and it doesn't mean you're
Speaker 1: going to be good at that. And I think, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: but I went I went to public school. I think
Speaker 1: there's a lot of bad teachers. I mean I had
Speaker 1: a lot of great teachers, but I had also had
Speaker 1: a lot of teachers who were right out of college
Speaker 1: clearly and just put notes on the board and sat
Speaker 1: and drank their coffee while we copied it down. And
Speaker 1: I think it's all kind of cyclical and sad, and
Speaker 1: it's it. It comes from us being forced to make
Speaker 1: these big decisions so early. I just think we need
Speaker 1: to really re examine the whole thing of like shipping
Speaker 1: kids off to school to make this big decision and
Speaker 1: spend the kind of money that we're spending. Well, like
Speaker 1: a lot of people are like, well that's why in Europe,
Speaker 1: like like people go to vocational school and all that.
Speaker 1: And I think the reality is like you can make
Speaker 1: we can make a bunch of different changes. But like
Speaker 1: it's a symptom of life to be like thirty years
Speaker 1: old and be like what the fun doing, like no
Speaker 1: matter what you do, and so like it would be
Speaker 1: nice if we had more options than like here you go,
Speaker 1: You're about to like stomach of dollar dead, like you know,
Speaker 1: and it's just kind of like it just sucks a
Speaker 1: little bit. What did Peter major in? He studied history.
Speaker 1: He studied like Germans German history, or he studied history
Speaker 1: in general, but like he focused on like German history. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love It's funny because like he loves history and
Speaker 1: knows a lot of history and do not give a
Speaker 1: shit about history. But when you have a crush on
Speaker 1: Joe's boyfriend and you have to stop. Okay, Honestly, when
Speaker 1: I was tripping on as I kept looking at Peter
Speaker 1: and Joe and I was like, beautiful, these are the
Speaker 1: two most like inside and out, most beautiful people. I mean,
Speaker 1: while we're like sweating, I'm looking back at our photos
Speaker 1: that I'm looking back at the photos that we took
Speaker 1: during the trip and I'm like, we all look in insane,
Speaker 1: But you guys actually took that one really good picture
Speaker 1: on the beach. Oh yeah, that was actually it literally
Speaker 1: made me say to our but like, what was remember
Speaker 1: that moment? Wait, we just have to his friends on
Speaker 1: the beach. That's the picture. I just have to walk
Speaker 1: through this moment with Joe. We this was like on
Speaker 1: the down swing of the of the Okay, well, first
Speaker 1: we start, we start the trip on the beach during
Speaker 1: the day and it was full on psychotic episode for
Speaker 1: each of us. For each of us just like what
Speaker 1: And then we go back into the house and we
Speaker 1: hang out in the pool, which was also harrowing. Also harrowing,
Speaker 1: but then the sun starts to set, and let's go
Speaker 1: to the beach and look at this at the nature.
Speaker 1: And so we go. We walk out to the beach
Speaker 1: and at this point, the cloud it was a cloudy disk,
Speaker 1: beautiful thing in the world, most beautiful apocalyptic thing where
Speaker 1: it was high tide and they had literally moved the
Speaker 1: house inland, like a hundred feet inland. Because like at
Speaker 1: the beginning of the day when we were on the beach.
Speaker 1: This house was like on these beams and these weird scaffold,
Speaker 1: this weird scaffolding was around it, and we were like, oh,
Speaker 1: they're doing something to the house. That's funny. Um. And
Speaker 1: we were like, we set our towels down in front
Speaker 1: of it. And then by the time we come we
Speaker 1: went back in the afternoon, it had moved fifty yard
Speaker 1: and we were our minds were blown. We were like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, nothing is real, like this house just
Speaker 1: literally moved. And then we're screaming. And then we go
Speaker 1: we go to Loti when you watch the sunset on
Speaker 1: the other side of the island. Um. And then we
Speaker 1: walked back and do you remember the swan? No, sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm sure I will show you a picture when I
Speaker 1: took a picture of us, Joe, would you remember this.
Speaker 1: The sun was setting, it was like a blue it
Speaker 1: was blues and purples everywhere. And then we walked back
Speaker 1: to the house and there was just a single swan
Speaker 1: floating in the water by the boats, and all of
Speaker 1: us you include remember that now, screaming freaking out that.
Speaker 1: Immediately afterwards, we also saw a mother cat with her
Speaker 1: whole litter. Yes, yes, we were like being bombarded by
Speaker 1: a nature. This is the swan. You remember this swan.
Speaker 1: It's literally a b it's and we were all screaming like,
Speaker 1: oh my god. Look. We were like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: that is not a basic picture of a bird I've
Speaker 1: ever seen that. It's a goose and it's kind of
Speaker 1: far away. It was not even like, it's not a swan,
Speaker 1: it's a fucking goose. And it's fine, it's a goose,
Speaker 1: but they'll post a picture of this normal. All of
Speaker 1: us believed it to be a swan. You I swear
Speaker 1: to God, Joe, I guarantee I started this conversation. You
Speaker 1: have seen a peacock on his first after a peacock,
Speaker 1: duarantee it was a fucking rat. It was me, Joe, Max, Max, Peter, Henry,
Speaker 1: Joel can booster all of us just like freaking pointing, screaming,
Speaker 1: our minds are being blown by the swan in the water. Fine,
Speaker 1: it was a goose, but to us it was it
Speaker 1: was beautiful. It was beautiful. But maybe it's a beautiful goose.
Speaker 1: It's just it might have been another like freshman year
Speaker 1: circle acting moment of me putting it on. Honestly, yeah, fuck,
Speaker 1: do we still do we still do this? Don't we
Speaker 1: do what this freshman year performance performing do? Um? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Sometimes you know you just gotta have a little gravitas.
Speaker 1: That's yeah, fine, we do. We do it all the
Speaker 1: time on this On this we like fake gravitas where
Speaker 1: we just like push, we lean into like, well we
Speaker 1: have to serve this idea of what people think of
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, is that crazy? Um? No?
Speaker 1: I mean sometimes I'm like, well I better say something
Speaker 1: oh good, insightful or good you know, Well, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't. I feel like I don't ever pressure myself
Speaker 1: to say something good and insightful because I don't think
Speaker 1: that's why people come to this store. No, but people often,
Speaker 1: like people often love comedy. Like I feel like this
Speaker 1: is a very old fashioned comedy thing where be like
Speaker 1: laughing laughing and then like the truth. Yeah, Like it's
Speaker 1: just like it's like like that stupid thing about like
Speaker 1: a spoonful of sugar makes the medicine go down. Yeah
Speaker 1: that's true. True. Yeah, yeah, everyone think about it. What
Speaker 1: if the medicine is like something that's wrong, like you're
Speaker 1: saying something that's stupid or like did you change new parpins?
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I would say, don't go. Really, Okay,
Speaker 1: I love I live for m blance but here's the love.
Speaker 1: I love be Wishaw actually is crush I have and
Speaker 1: he actually has. He has a really good moment in
Speaker 1: the movie where his character kind of has like a
Speaker 1: little bit of a breakdown. Um, and it was really
Speaker 1: good acting. And I was like to come out at
Speaker 1: the closet nor Golden Globe a very British scandal, yes,
Speaker 1: very English scandal, very English scandalum. But he I would say,
Speaker 1: don't go see Mary Poppins. I've been calling it Mary
Speaker 1: Poppins Revenge. Don't go see Mary Poppins Revenge, because the
Speaker 1: first twenty minutes are like, yeah, we're in the world,
Speaker 1: it's fabulous. Um. But then there's like a whole middle
Speaker 1: hour section which is like, holy sh it, is it
Speaker 1: like this is when they're in there in the bowl?
Speaker 1: Like what happens during my pop And that's that's the question,
Speaker 1: that's the big question. And you know what, no one knows.
Speaker 1: No one remembers because you remember her floating in on
Speaker 1: the umbrella. Yeah, when she gets there to the house,
Speaker 1: there's these kids, there's a chimney sweep there's a mirror gag,
Speaker 1: there's very merry. There's very little conflict. I would and
Speaker 1: there's a lot of conflict in this, but it's kind
Speaker 1: of like dry and and so literally what happened, it's
Speaker 1: the first the whole middle hour, all of that too,
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god. And so I literally got
Speaker 1: off and went to the bathroom, checked my phone, came back.
Speaker 1: It was the end of Meryl's part. I completely missed Meryl.
Speaker 1: And then the last thirty minutes gets good, like and
Speaker 1: I actually was crying. There's the whole this whole thing
Speaker 1: with balloons and picking a balloon and flying in the
Speaker 1: air and finding her inner child. And I was like this,
Speaker 1: I get. I can get on board with that. And
Speaker 1: I am a crier. I cried frequently at films me too.
Speaker 1: I love to cry during a movie because because I'm like,
Speaker 1: there it is my humanity. Yeah, it's so, it's so great.
Speaker 1: So this is why I come to the movies. That's
Speaker 1: why I never crying. I think I think I'm dead
Speaker 1: inside because they think I've done asked that too many times.
Speaker 1: I think that you it's the thing. When you're obsessing
Speaker 1: about it, it will become true. So don't obsess about it.
Speaker 1: You've done ASCID twice, parents generation did ascid daily. That's yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right. We have friends that have done an approximately
Speaker 1: nine hundred times in one year. It's like you're just
Speaker 1: Henry um and he is the better for it, absolutely
Speaker 1: um and we love that. Okay. So um, wait, we
Speaker 1: have to ask you the question because and you know
Speaker 1: it's been floating around, but we must have the question. Now.
Speaker 1: You must ask the question you I've been asking lately.
Speaker 1: You ask Okay, So this is the question that we
Speaker 1: ask every single guest. And we asked the guest what
Speaker 1: was the culture that made you say? Culture was for you?
Speaker 1: This is defining pop culture in your young life that
Speaker 1: you can look back and say, oh, that's kind of
Speaker 1: why I am the way thinking about this because I
Speaker 1: was like, there's like a few different answers and you
Speaker 1: can give them. I think one of them was when
Speaker 1: I saw a Blue Man Group, because I remember watching
Speaker 1: Blue Man Group like as a boy, and there was
Speaker 1: a moment where they took out these toilet paper guns
Speaker 1: and they shot that audience with toilet paper and they
Speaker 1: kept going and I remember thinking to myself, this is possible.
Speaker 1: We can do this and it's the most mainstream thing
Speaker 1: I know. But at the time, I was like, this
Speaker 1: is out there. You know what that is? Et w
Speaker 1: It's crazy how it is mainstream. Everything about it screams
Speaker 1: that it's not. It's so unusual. It's so unusual. It's
Speaker 1: so avant garde there, it's cutting it. I've seen it twice.
Speaker 1: I've seen it an Astra place, and I've seen in
Speaker 1: Universal Orlando. Yeah, yeah, I love that you selected to
Speaker 1: see it in Universal or Its just like years ago
Speaker 1: and it was like it was like part of the
Speaker 1: part of the hotel deal we got was like and
Speaker 1: you can see Blue Man Group is a huge theater
Speaker 1: there that doesn't so you have to imagine across the
Speaker 1: country and probably across the I would imagine it's international
Speaker 1: all the time, the most successful in China. Forget it,
Speaker 1: people fucking fly if there's something like primordial in each
Speaker 1: of us, as a blue man's a blue man. And
Speaker 1: did you ever think of like auditioning to be a
Speaker 1: Blue Man? I think you'd might have crossed my mind.
Speaker 1: It might have crossed my mind. But I think I'm
Speaker 1: too tall. I think they don't. They always have like
Speaker 1: a tall one they're all very tall, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: do you know Branson Reese? Yeah, okay, so no, he
Speaker 1: auditioned to be a blue Man, and I think you
Speaker 1: would think of him as a perfect blue Man. But
Speaker 1: they told him that he was too expressive because you
Speaker 1: have to think, like if you do really anything a
Speaker 1: lot with your face, like it's going to really explode
Speaker 1: off stage. And because of the way the nature of
Speaker 1: that makeup, like you could just literally look to the
Speaker 1: side and it reads to the whole audience. They told
Speaker 1: Branson Rees he was too expressive to be a blue
Speaker 1: many imagining now like the gay man in charge of
Speaker 1: all of the artistic choices of Man group, who's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know not you yeah, that's a blue man. No not,
Speaker 1: we need that reality, We need blue Man. We need
Speaker 1: like an American idol for Blue Man Group. And the
Speaker 1: judges are Ico Singer Um and three others Fantino to
Speaker 1: Rice Merl Ginsberg and Jenny McCarthy. McCarthy. That's two judges
Speaker 1: from the Mass Singer and two judges from from you
Speaker 1: know what. Courtney Cox she should host, she should host, yes,
Speaker 1: And David Arquett it should be a parent trapping when
Speaker 1: we try to get the back together. They won't they Um, okay,
Speaker 1: is there besides the toilet paper, Yes, the toilet paper.
Speaker 1: And then this was another one. I thought like, this
Speaker 1: is so stupid, but I have this like memory. I
Speaker 1: think I was probably an infant. It's like the first
Speaker 1: memory ever I have in my life. And it might
Speaker 1: be like a screen memory. Well it is a screen memory,
Speaker 1: but it's like I have like this print in my
Speaker 1: mind of like me on the floor looking at a
Speaker 1: vase and I'm like, I'm looking at this and I
Speaker 1: am like, oh, wow, that is so beautiful god. And
Speaker 1: I'm tiny, tiny, tiny because I'm looking up at a
Speaker 1: vase from the floor and it's like it has like
Speaker 1: it's like a silhouette kind of because the sun is
Speaker 1: like going past it. But I remember looking at the
Speaker 1: image of this and being like, wow, that is so beautiful.
Speaker 1: And it was the first time I've ever been like wow,
Speaker 1: looked at like the beauty of something. Yeah, you appreciate
Speaker 1: the aesthetic of something a back lit vase. That's that
Speaker 1: we've never had something like this. I mean the combination
Speaker 1: of a back lid face and and that's that's that's
Speaker 1: the Gallapon school of individualized study. That's why. Yeah, that's me,
Speaker 1: that's you, baby, that's me talk. Okay, can we all
Speaker 1: go around the table. I've been thinking about this, Okay.
Speaker 1: I love that I just called this a screen memory. Yeah,
Speaker 1: is this a common thing? I don't know if a
Speaker 1: psychoanalytic idea. So it's like that it's like a well
Speaker 1: usually it's like related to trauma, but okay, I literally
Speaker 1: have one of those. But it is a it's a
Speaker 1: visual memory that is preserved as like a single image
Speaker 1: in your mind that holds like a lot of psychic
Speaker 1: content to it. But like does it matter where? It
Speaker 1: doesn't matter if there's not that much action going on, Like, well,
Speaker 1: would you look for you? It's you looking at this face? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and like that is that's pretty static. Yeah, that's great
Speaker 1: because mine is something somewhere where I'm just sitting on
Speaker 1: the kitchen floor. I'm like four years old and I'm
Speaker 1: playing with something but I'm looking down. This is insane.
Speaker 1: That sounds insane. It just sounds so abstract and like
Speaker 1: who cares? But it's just me looking at the door
Speaker 1: to our basement and that's it. There's nothing, there's no
Speaker 1: other detail. But it's so livid, not lived lucid. Vivid.
Speaker 1: Livid means lucid and vivid culture. Lucid and vivid. That
Speaker 1: doesn't mean angry. I mean, okay, so that's mine, what's yours? Okay,
Speaker 1: So my parents really never fought. They're there, and I
Speaker 1: don't want to like say this and qualify them to
Speaker 1: all the listeners as parents who fought or have this
Speaker 1: kind of relationship. But one time, I think I was
Speaker 1: literally like three years old, I remember sitting in my
Speaker 1: living room on the ground and my parents were having
Speaker 1: an argument. And my mother, Katrina Rogers, who is not
Speaker 1: like she is not she doesn't fight, she flipped our
Speaker 1: kitchen table. She took that kitchen table and went booth
Speaker 1: and it was like, I've never anything like it, and
Speaker 1: I just remember looking at it and I'll never forget it.
Speaker 1: And literally, my mother has never done anything like that.
Speaker 1: In the twenties five years I since I remember this happening,
Speaker 1: but I think it is like a trauma record because
Speaker 1: it was watching something happened that was so out of
Speaker 1: the ordinary, and I will never forget it. And I'm
Speaker 1: not even kidding. Nothing has ever happened like that ever since,
Speaker 1: isn't it crazy, like the threshold for trauma. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I was truly a toddler, and I remember it's it's imprinted. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have a lot of I have a lot of
Speaker 1: parental fighting. Yeah, I had one of those two. But
Speaker 1: I just remembered I was traumatized once. Because I was traumatized.
Speaker 1: I was in line Pretzels. I was probably five. I
Speaker 1: was very, very, very young, and there was this girl
Speaker 1: who was wearing like a spaghetti strap like black top,
Speaker 1: and she had like a lot of eyeliner on, and
Speaker 1: she was, you know, a teen, and I was looking
Speaker 1: at her, and she was with these two boys, and
Speaker 1: she reaches into her like bra and she pulls out
Speaker 1: a cigarette and she had this look on her face
Speaker 1: of like pure mischief and wrong doing. And I remember
Speaker 1: looking at this and being like, I'm alone now watching
Speaker 1: this evil thing happen, and I am so scarred by
Speaker 1: like the humanity, like the side of humanity, like watching
Speaker 1: this person do this wrong act. And I was so
Speaker 1: like it was so I mean, like, you know, it
Speaker 1: was nothing, but at the time, I was so affective.
Speaker 1: I was so scandalized. It was really it really, if
Speaker 1: you were to eternal sunshine yourself, like you know what
Speaker 1: happens in the movie is that he like does he
Speaker 1: hides her in his childhood memories, right, it's right, and
Speaker 1: so it's like him being bathed in the sink by
Speaker 1: his mom. I feel like that is like something where
Speaker 1: if you were to go back and like erase stuff,
Speaker 1: or if you were to couch, let's say you were
Speaker 1: a good eternal sunshine like one of your exes, like
Speaker 1: you would hide that person in that memory of of
Speaker 1: the Wetzels Pretzels. Sorry, I don't know where I'm going
Speaker 1: with this. I just this. This girl looked just like
Speaker 1: Avril Levine, pure mischief and pure mischief. She was a star.
Speaker 1: It was Avril. I feel like it might have been
Speaker 1: It's like the the you know, the timeline totally. She
Speaker 1: would have been roughly thirty, yes, exactly. She she is
Speaker 1: like fifty years old now, which I love. Would she's
Speaker 1: an older woman older? Um wow, do you seek aut
Speaker 1: when's the last time you saw blue Man? Honestly, because
Speaker 1: you can go at any time. I could go. I
Speaker 1: walk by that, you know, the aster place. That's the
Speaker 1: shitty place to see it though. I'm sorry, no shade,
Speaker 1: But if you're gonna go, you gotta go to Orlando.
Speaker 1: Stop and Matt for people listening, for people who work
Speaker 1: there who listen. Matt is lying, it's a bit. I'm
Speaker 1: a kidding. It's just a smaller space. And I like
Speaker 1: to enjoy my my content with a large number of people, exactly.
Speaker 1: And if you are in Blue Man and you are listening,
Speaker 1: reach out to me, maybe a couple of comp tickets,
Speaker 1: you know. Of course I could get on board with that.
Speaker 1: I also can see you doing it like once a week.
Speaker 1: Like I don't. I don't want to. I don't want
Speaker 1: a lot of your time. Doesn't want you to be
Speaker 1: of course pursuing the comedy. And but but I think
Speaker 1: it's probably easy to pick up. Although here's the thing
Speaker 1: with those balls on each other's mouths and ship the
Speaker 1: paint to the paint and the drumming, right, what's the
Speaker 1: deal are they? Is there a trick going on? Or
Speaker 1: are they really catching these balls in their mouth every
Speaker 1: time without fail? They forgot about that. That's sick out
Speaker 1: of me. They have a mouth eye coordination. That was
Speaker 1: actually now that I remember that, now there was also
Speaker 1: a sexual component. I think I'm gonna say, like they're
Speaker 1: all they're probably good at fucking Are you sure? I
Speaker 1: think all every blue Are you sure before you say
Speaker 1: that you want to be sure? I'm one hundred to
Speaker 1: be good. You know what? Yeah, you're right, they're good
Speaker 1: at bodies. I wonder how many of the blue men
Speaker 1: are gay. I wonder if a Blue man would be
Speaker 1: gay for me. I think, like that's so interesting that,
Speaker 1: like when we talk about people who are good at sex,
Speaker 1: like in just judging by the thing they do that's
Speaker 1: not sex, I bet they could, like I bet that
Speaker 1: dancer here's a good I don't know, Yeah, you have
Speaker 1: no concept. Some one time I've spoken about this one.
Speaker 1: So they tried to like set me up with one
Speaker 1: of her friends and I told her. I was like,
Speaker 1: I just can't picture having sex with them. And she
Speaker 1: said to me something that always stated with me, And
Speaker 1: it was like she was like, well, you know, Matt,
Speaker 1: everyone has sex. And I was like, huh that's true,
Speaker 1: is it? Well, well, there's a there's a there's a
Speaker 1: there's a populace that is a sexual. But like if
Speaker 1: someone's expressing a sexual interest, that means they have a
Speaker 1: sexual interest and they have sex. So not being able
Speaker 1: to picture someone fucking you'd be shocked because they probably
Speaker 1: fuck Oh god, you're saying you can't. Were you saying
Speaker 1: you couldn't picture them fucking anybody? I just like, I
Speaker 1: couldn't see them in a sexual way. Or she was like,
Speaker 1: well they are a sexual being, but you can see
Speaker 1: them happen. That doesn't turn you on, Like me, imagining
Speaker 1: my parents having sex doesn't turn me on, right, But
Speaker 1: I know what happened. Yeah, it's probably happened a couple
Speaker 1: of times. It doesn't mean your parents doesn't mean I'm
Speaker 1: gonna send them a flirt to d M. Sorry. My
Speaker 1: sister one time, My sister one time was home and
Speaker 1: she said that she found condoms in my parents bathroom.
Speaker 1: And I was like, don't tell me that. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: that is so insane. I found like when I found
Speaker 1: a condom in my brother's room, I was like, another,
Speaker 1: you know, another trauma. That was a trauma. That was
Speaker 1: a trauma I found. I found condoms with my parents
Speaker 1: stoy and it was truly, oh my god, like destroyed me.
Speaker 1: I don't know why, why do I just like, now
Speaker 1: that we're talking about parents and condoms, I'm like, don't
Speaker 1: they just always go raw? Well, that's the thing because
Speaker 1: I was like, I guess I thought the whole thing
Speaker 1: about parents was like rossax, that was the whole thing
Speaker 1: about parents. Um well, I guess like this was like
Speaker 1: right before my mom went through like the final change.
Speaker 1: And I think, like, you gotta be careful because I mean,
Speaker 1: what if what what if you got pregnant at that
Speaker 1: would be a tough that would be a tough one,
Speaker 1: be a tough position to be put in. Forgot about pregnancy.
Speaker 1: You forgot all about pregnancy. You know, these parents can't
Speaker 1: just get on prep and do whatever they want. Like
Speaker 1: you kids, We don't age out of disease. We sure don't.
Speaker 1: I know. Actually that's there's a lot of cure. It's
Speaker 1: a real culture number eighty eight. We don't age out
Speaker 1: of disease. There's like gonore en cyphilis, and like, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, I never thought about that. I hope
Speaker 1: that I keep hoing. I thought you to say, I
Speaker 1: hope I got basically, I mean, if you were, if
Speaker 1: you were in our old age to tell me like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I don't like I don't know if
Speaker 1: we'll be in the same home, but like I feel
Speaker 1: like I'll probably give you a ring whatever in communication
Speaker 1: we're having at that time, and you say, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this just happened. I got Gnaia, I'll be like, yes, bitch.
Speaker 1: I feel like if we're like eighty eight years old
Speaker 1: and you tell me you got Gnaia, I'd be like slight.
Speaker 1: I know SAG is technically like um, a place for elderly,
Speaker 1: elderly queer people. I feel like we should open up
Speaker 1: an LGB home. Yes, LGB home, no tea. Sorry sorry, sorry,
Speaker 1: math you. I think that would be so fun. That's
Speaker 1: when everyone wanted that, And that's like a sitcom. That's
Speaker 1: a really good Golden Girls. Golden Girls, I think that
Speaker 1: it is. This sounds so chummy and gross and dumb.
Speaker 1: I truly hope we all end up in the same
Speaker 1: place when we are Heaven. Heaven is fire island. Swans
Speaker 1: are how bring it here? But we're on our trip.
Speaker 1: One of the things that was so like moving was
Speaker 1: looking at the houses that were abandoned because the shore
Speaker 1: was creeping up so far. I mean, the whole islands
Speaker 1: just disappearing. So there are houses that were close to
Speaker 1: the shore that are that have to be abandoned because
Speaker 1: they're just falling into the sea. It's a real thing
Speaker 1: like that. I think people that I think people like
Speaker 1: they I don't like to think about it, but I
Speaker 1: mean even just Hurricane Sandy alone, I can tell you
Speaker 1: from from growing up there, it took a serious toll
Speaker 1: on that. I mean, it's it's different now. It looks different,
Speaker 1: like if you're going to funk up infrastructure, like it
Speaker 1: will change everything about how that plays functions. So it's
Speaker 1: I think, I think, honestly, it's got it's got another
Speaker 1: like fifteen years. Oh my god, it's so sick fifteen tops.
Speaker 1: I mean you have to think and not to get
Speaker 1: all morbid. But it gets worse every year. I mean
Speaker 1: these and the storms happen with more frequency. Actually, this
Speaker 1: hurricane season was mild, shockingly and that's with the tragedies
Speaker 1: that happened. But remember, like I mean the devastating hurricane
Speaker 1: that happened that happened very early in the hurricane season,
Speaker 1: and the way I feel was like, oh, obviously this
Speaker 1: is like gonna be like the way it is like,
Speaker 1: this is the beginning of the end. And then after that,
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, like all things considered, we
Speaker 1: had a mild hurricane season this year. This pastor you're
Speaker 1: saying yes. And that's another thing about like the l
Speaker 1: train like kind of staying open is it's like the
Speaker 1: way I feel about it is kind of like, honestly
Speaker 1: keep it open because you don't want to spend another
Speaker 1: billions and millions and millions ares fixing it and then
Speaker 1: just to get what they're trying to do to make
Speaker 1: it hurricane proof or something, I mean, I guess that
Speaker 1: would have That's what you would have to like do
Speaker 1: something really really really really um sound to make it
Speaker 1: like a hurricane proof. And that's got to be the
Speaker 1: next thing you do, because don't just fix it to
Speaker 1: it to the best of its ability now, because I mean,
Speaker 1: it'll just get sucked up again. We'll see. What I
Speaker 1: always imagine is this is so stupid. But I remember
Speaker 1: seeing once, like after Sandy, one of the things they
Speaker 1: could do is just put a big balloon in the
Speaker 1: tunnel and it fills up the whole tunnel with this
Speaker 1: balloon so that no water gets down in there. And
Speaker 1: now then I'm thinking about this, I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: think it really would work, but like I have to
Speaker 1: be some kind of balloon. It would have to be
Speaker 1: a big it would have to be big and thick,
Speaker 1: filling out the whole hole, and it would be so massive,
Speaker 1: and then it would be you know, there would be
Speaker 1: no water damage. I know. Can you imagine that thick?
Speaker 1: Oh shit? Oh? Can we first of all, can we
Speaker 1: just say out o um. We had a long discussion
Speaker 1: about bottoming before we got on air. Yeah we did. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Wait do we talk about that? Yeah? That was not
Speaker 1: on air, but we talked about bottoming, and you know,
Speaker 1: the preparation that we have to go through, and it's
Speaker 1: not unlike the L train is not unlike the L train.
Speaker 1: I mean, let me tell you, by the time your thirty,
Speaker 1: you've had a couple of Sandies, honey, honey, essentially a
Speaker 1: real culture. By the time you're that's real cultureber remember
Speaker 1: a hundred and one one like the Dalmatians. By the
Speaker 1: time you've had a couple of Sandies. That's right, That's
Speaker 1: exactly right. My god. But I just want a Sandy
Speaker 1: that that stays. You want to Sandy that I want
Speaker 1: to Sandy that I can get used to. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's only been a handsome We're about to get a
Speaker 1: lot of Sandies that we can get used to. I
Speaker 1: just want to say, you know, you know what, I realized,
Speaker 1: very few people that I've had Sandi's multiple times that
Speaker 1: I've experienced multiple sandies with I have. I've only had
Speaker 1: sex with the same person more that's only happened like
Speaker 1: three or four. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I don't know,
Speaker 1: like no, maybe over share, but who the funk? Am
Speaker 1: I kidding this or whatever? I've literally talked about everything
Speaker 1: but I've had My number is very high, but the
Speaker 1: number of people that I've been with more than once
Speaker 1: especially very low. The meaningful I like, I hate just
Speaker 1: having sex with someone just once, Yeah, because like I
Speaker 1: feel like that first time, I'm like, nothing never counts.
Speaker 1: It's going on like who are you? Why are you here?
Speaker 1: Like you know what, what's up? What's what's up? Who
Speaker 1: are you? Why are you here? What's up? The three
Speaker 1: questions exactly. And so I was always like, let's just
Speaker 1: have a relationship, like to have sex, yes, yes, I
Speaker 1: don't know. Sometimes like I'll have a fucking amazing time
Speaker 1: the first time, and then the second time it's like
Speaker 1: sometimes I feel like maybe that first time it was
Speaker 1: so good because we were discovering someone's body for the
Speaker 1: first time. And then the second time, it's like who
Speaker 1: been here that I've turned I hang it up. I'm
Speaker 1: not turned on by the discovery. I always like whoa, whoa,
Speaker 1: Like here we go. You know. That's what makes grinder
Speaker 1: so dangerous for me, Like it's a slippery slope, Like
Speaker 1: I'm not on it right now because like the thing
Speaker 1: for me is like finding someone out and then I'm
Speaker 1: like what does that mean? Because for me it's like
Speaker 1: the second time, it's like, oh, this is familiar and
Speaker 1: there doesn't have to be this like learning curve around
Speaker 1: what is it about you that you just wanted you?
Speaker 1: You live in the moment where they where they take
Speaker 1: their shirt off for the first So I just like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it's fun to experience someone
Speaker 1: and then I almost feel like it's a sick o thing.
Speaker 1: But once I've experienced someone sexually, like we've done it,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like and yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know that's interested that that's that's a way
Speaker 1: that I am. Yeah, well that's beautiful and it's not
Speaker 1: what I want for myself. I'd like to have a
Speaker 1: meaningful relationship. And I'm not saying I haven't but I'm
Speaker 1: just but it's just like I I realized that about
Speaker 1: myself when I fully like committed to finding out more.
Speaker 1: I wish that I could take a page from your book.
Speaker 1: I wish that it could be more like I don't know,
Speaker 1: like quicker or something, or like I think, well, I'm
Speaker 1: not there, Yeah, I'm not there anymore either. I'm just like,
Speaker 1: I don't like that. I don't know. It's just I
Speaker 1: could do that if it's like if it's very very
Speaker 1: scripted in terms of like this is what we're gonna do,
Speaker 1: like where are you like that? I like that, let's
Speaker 1: do that, and then that's that. It depends on what
Speaker 1: you're looking for. I think, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I think you Bow and Yang are looking for a relationship,
Speaker 1: and so I think that that's why the concept of
Speaker 1: just having sex with someone one time isn't appealing to you.
Speaker 1: I don't think where I'm at right now, I don't
Speaker 1: think I'm looking for a relationship. I think I'm looking
Speaker 1: to have you experiences, you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 1: so it just depends on what you're There was probably
Speaker 1: a time in my life where I was like horrified
Speaker 1: at the fact of like you know, sleeping with people,
Speaker 1: bunch of people. But but now it's what you want, uh,
Speaker 1: can I do you consider yourself like a slut? Um?
Speaker 1: There was a time when I considered myself us US.
Speaker 1: I don't think I ever considered myself a slut, But
Speaker 1: whenever Studio would call me a slut, I wasn't confirmed.
Speaker 1: I could understand where she was coming from, but she wasn't,
Speaker 1: and she was calling you that in like a pejorative way.
Speaker 1: She one time actually thought about this on the sud
Speaker 1: I right over. She literally turns to me one time
Speaker 1: and said, you've sucked every one of my gay friends
Speaker 1: that I've introduced to you too, And I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't think that's true. And also like she said,
Speaker 1: like like she thinks she doesn't know exactly what I
Speaker 1: have hooked up with a bunch of people she's introduced
Speaker 1: me to, or at least because I think it's a
Speaker 1: thing of like let me put my two gay friends together,
Speaker 1: which is like that's on her, no, but it's not
Speaker 1: necessarily bad because I did. I did hook up with them.
Speaker 1: I mean it was mutually beneficial for all. But for
Speaker 1: her to be like, wait a minute, but what it's
Speaker 1: like that yeah you work, but also yeah, but the
Speaker 1: thing is like, yes, I did sleep with them and
Speaker 1: had a great time, and so I guess at the
Speaker 1: time like to be jokingly called a slut. I was like, yes,
Speaker 1: why have you? Are you a slut? Me? Yeah, have
Speaker 1: you been a slut? I don't think. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I feel like slutty, but and I like that,
Speaker 1: but then like I don't think in action, like in
Speaker 1: my life I am a slut, right, I would say
Speaker 1: that I like have the psychology of a slut, but
Speaker 1: not the behavior. Are you a slut is the title
Speaker 1: of that? Are you a slut? But sluttiness is a
Speaker 1: state of mind? What was that? What was that that?
Speaker 1: There is a state of mind? That video, that clip
Speaker 1: of that. There's this girl on Twitter where like some
Speaker 1: it was a slut march and then like this like
Speaker 1: conservative pundit was there and the reporter was there. He's like,
Speaker 1: what is why are you calling a slut much? You're
Speaker 1: proud to be a st And she's like, oh, what's
Speaker 1: her name? Yeah, she's she's so cool. She's so cool.
Speaker 1: She's like the cool it's an actor, she's really cool. Yes,
Speaker 1: And she was like, I'm a slut. You're a slut.
Speaker 1: Your grandma's a slut, your mom's a slut. We're all
Speaker 1: sucking sluts here. It's like, get over it, like we're
Speaker 1: all sluts. It's also like it's not where it's when
Speaker 1: you say you're not slut shaming, You're just you're taking
Speaker 1: a word and beyond. Like I've had sex with people
Speaker 1: like you know what I mean, Like that's that's all.
Speaker 1: That's all it is. I think looking back, it's like
Speaker 1: I've been there. I go through periods. I go through
Speaker 1: periods where it's like I would like to but to
Speaker 1: be honest with you, sometimes it makes me a little there.
Speaker 1: And it really depends who it is, Like now that
Speaker 1: I know more people, it's like I don't know, there's
Speaker 1: a thing as like for me, it's like now that
Speaker 1: I'm like there's more and more people who are like
Speaker 1: learning who I am, so like I get more people
Speaker 1: like contacting me and reaching out to me, and so
Speaker 1: I'm it is this weird thing of like there's all
Speaker 1: like you know, I'm people floir you know, and you're like,
Speaker 1: how do I receive this? Are you guys open? We are?
Speaker 1: We are open? So then it's like it's on the table,
Speaker 1: so I mean, but I was like, no, I've just
Speaker 1: been cheating this whole time. Well, I mean, the thing is,
Speaker 1: like what I was saying was like the kind of
Speaker 1: people I'm around on a daily basis are all people
Speaker 1: that I know, And there's that thing of like hooking
Speaker 1: up with your friends, which is like many in the
Speaker 1: gay community are just kind of like we can do
Speaker 1: this and it's fine. I don't know where I'm out
Speaker 1: with that, you know what I mean. It's so it's
Speaker 1: kind of like and it's it's all about how you
Speaker 1: want to spend your time and how you want to
Speaker 1: negotiate that afterwards. Like we were talking with Brandon Scott
Speaker 1: Jones about this, I was if I had to put
Speaker 1: a number on it, I've probably hooked up with at
Speaker 1: some point, like maybe nearly of what of my gay friends.
Speaker 1: But I also don't think it's that high. I like
Speaker 1: usually almost every guy that like I've hooked up with
Speaker 1: casually I am friends with. Really yeah, that's because like
Speaker 1: I don't know, I feel like that's part of what's
Speaker 1: so nice about being a gay guy is that you're
Speaker 1: kind of like a horny idiot and then you can
Speaker 1: just move on your friends first and then you hook
Speaker 1: up with them. Um no, well yeah I've done that.
Speaker 1: I've had the reverse happened too many times, and I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: wait described that where it's like I'll be dating someone
Speaker 1: and then it's like, let's stay friends, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I that is healthy. I want to know. And also,
Speaker 1: you didn't necessarily start start this particular relationship with them
Speaker 1: because you wanted to be friends, right, Yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: a validate it's like heartbreak. That's different. And I've definitely
Speaker 1: been heartbroken by people before, and then like if the
Speaker 1: opportunity arose where I was going to be friends with them,
Speaker 1: then it was like, yeah, I guess, Like I guess
Speaker 1: I have to. And that's usually only if I have
Speaker 1: to because they're like in that community that I'm in, right,
Speaker 1: But otherwise I would avoid them, you know. Yeah, literally
Speaker 1: some of my closest I mean, like I like Dave
Speaker 1: and I like started our friendship with a hook up
Speaker 1: with a hook hooking up, I mean like that's kind
Speaker 1: of like and so I can you can do both,
Speaker 1: but it is like a conversation like I won't like
Speaker 1: I recently hooked up with a friend like within the
Speaker 1: last six months, and we had I wanted to make it.
Speaker 1: I wanted to have a conversation where it was like this,
Speaker 1: please can't make things different because that that would just
Speaker 1: I just really don't like tod that. Um. I just
Speaker 1: it's funny though, but like I'm listening to you guys
Speaker 1: talk about this, and I'm like, I don't have that
Speaker 1: same thing, and listen, y'all, um, it's it's not It's
Speaker 1: just like, it's fine if it's not like that for you.
Speaker 1: I'm right, that's just not my reality, which is beautiful.
Speaker 1: And I also don't want people to because this is
Speaker 1: another thing I'm sensitive to, which is like the gay community,
Speaker 1: we kind of decided it's a certain way, or like
Speaker 1: it's it's widely perceived that it's a certain way. Yes,
Speaker 1: we're gay, we hook up with each other and that's that.
Speaker 1: And it's like I've also experienced that not happening, so
Speaker 1: I don't think that that happens. I also think it's
Speaker 1: like one of those things where like the let's stay
Speaker 1: that same statistic about like drinking college where it's like
Speaker 1: you you go in and you're like everyone's drinking, but
Speaker 1: then it turns out that like actually only like of
Speaker 1: the population and drinking. I feel like it's the same
Speaker 1: thing with with sex, right and gay men, and because
Speaker 1: sex is sexy and it's like to put it on
Speaker 1: this pedestal and it's something that's sold us and it's
Speaker 1: something we're supposed to be doing all the time. And
Speaker 1: you see media where it's like so often in gay media,
Speaker 1: like like if there's two gay characters, they have hooked
Speaker 1: up or they've been on a date or something like that.
Speaker 1: It kind of does give this perception that like that
Speaker 1: is how all gay friendships begin. And like, I mean
Speaker 1: something literally the most important relationship in my life is
Speaker 1: a platonic friendship. And so we were talking to Brendon
Speaker 1: Scott Jones about how, like on the show the Other
Speaker 1: Two that he's on, like there's a platonic gay friendship,
Speaker 1: and it's so great to see, you know, because it's
Speaker 1: not really depicted in media. It's really not. Yeah that's true,
Speaker 1: or if it is, it's like people don't give a ship.
Speaker 1: Yeah you know what I mean. I want to see
Speaker 1: more things of like like you know, that's why I
Speaker 1: really liked the end of Big Little Eyes is because
Speaker 1: it was like women a Man Like. The show largely
Speaker 1: was marketed and perceived as this thing of like women
Speaker 1: kind of like cat fighting and like it's these rich,
Speaker 1: privileged white women largely that like are going to like fight,
Speaker 1: and then what the show actually was about was about
Speaker 1: how instinctually they had each other's back because of this
Speaker 1: shared experience. And you know, I would like to see
Speaker 1: that represented with the gay community more. I would like
Speaker 1: to see And that's why I really I really like insecure,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like you see these like
Speaker 1: I like seeing things where it's like a depiction of
Speaker 1: community that is a depiction of capital C community. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: me too. That is so like it's so refreshing to
Speaker 1: see that because then it's like finally we get to
Speaker 1: see something different, Yeah, something real. It feels real, it
Speaker 1: feels more real, and that is missing where it's like
Speaker 1: you don't see these depictions of like queer people just
Speaker 1: being like just coexisting without that thick of a sexual
Speaker 1: layer to it. It's just like I mean, there was
Speaker 1: like Looking, but then Looking was about dating and sex though,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like and and and and
Speaker 1: I think Looking succeeded on very many levels, but I
Speaker 1: think like it definitely fell short and that for me
Speaker 1: it felt very cast and also like I get it,
Speaker 1: like it was you know what, it's still an important show.
Speaker 1: I think it was important and and we we scrutinize
Speaker 1: it because it it is the only thing. It's it's
Speaker 1: that thing where it's like people shout on Joy Luck
Speaker 1: Club when it came out because it was the only
Speaker 1: thing was meant to represent this experience, and then all
Speaker 1: every Chinese person turned on it because they were like, well,
Speaker 1: this is stereotypical, this, this masculine d masculinize is Asian men.
Speaker 1: It's that, it's this, it's this. It's like, well, you're
Speaker 1: pinning all the ship on it because exactly yeah. And
Speaker 1: I think I think it's like with looking like whenever
Speaker 1: anyone was like why would you criticize this, It's the
Speaker 1: only thing we have, it's like, no, there's got to
Speaker 1: be someplace in the middle, because you have to be
Speaker 1: able to be critical of art, especially art that represents
Speaker 1: you and your experience or touts to represent your experience,
Speaker 1: and also at the same time, it's like appreciate something
Speaker 1: for what it is and what it is doing, right,
Speaker 1: And that's just literally having a discussion about something. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean, It's like you don't have to
Speaker 1: get angry. You're like overly protective. Like we can talk
Speaker 1: about totally these things. We all just need to be
Speaker 1: Katrina Rodgers, is we need to table? She's doing for
Speaker 1: the table flip? Now I can't wait. I hope that
Speaker 1: she I'm trying to think if she's strong enough to
Speaker 1: flip the table and now I think so side table, Yeah,
Speaker 1: like a smaller table maybe. Yeah, yeah, I think she
Speaker 1: can Flippita for sure. She's a she's a flipper. She's
Speaker 1: able bodied. Okay, um, I think it's time. It's time
Speaker 1: for I don't think so honey. YouTube both have a
Speaker 1: look in your eye like you have. You both literally
Speaker 1: announced before we recorded that you guys, have you have something?
Speaker 1: I have one that I think it's like a true
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Okay, here we go. I think
Speaker 1: I have one too. It's just it's cooking. And by
Speaker 1: the way, I don't think so honey, is ours sad?
Speaker 1: We take one minute to go off on culture. We
Speaker 1: are going on tour. You can get buy tickets to
Speaker 1: us being on tour. Um. We don't have a website.
Speaker 1: But they are on my website and you can find
Speaker 1: them online if you Google search. Last Culture is the store.
Speaker 1: You can do it. You can do We trust you. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is Matt Rodgers is I don't think so honey.
Speaker 1: As time starts now, I don't think so honey. When
Speaker 1: someone says on their story, new post alert, we can
Speaker 1: see it. Like also, it's like I don't I don't
Speaker 1: necessarily love this because it's like, girl, we gotta deal
Speaker 1: with ambre alert. We gotta deal with alert. I don't
Speaker 1: need a new post alert. I also just think like,
Speaker 1: like you know, what if if we can if you post,
Speaker 1: we could see it. If we're following you, we can
Speaker 1: see it. I also just think like new post alert,
Speaker 1: just if I'm being alerted at something, it's there should
Speaker 1: be some cause for alarm. I don't know. I just like,
Speaker 1: and I'm talking about this as someone who like be
Speaker 1: posting on social media, but I think new post alert
Speaker 1: is like another level where it's kind of like that's
Speaker 1: not self aware. You may be a little bit more
Speaker 1: self aware, and it's usually thoughts that do and the
Speaker 1: new post alert usually kind of it's never about like
Speaker 1: new post alert where you can find uh, information from
Speaker 1: my show, and I'm not sluching. But it's usually new
Speaker 1: post alert and it's like a thoughty picture and it's
Speaker 1: like I've already seen it. I probably already liked to
Speaker 1: eject off to it, and that's one minute. So I
Speaker 1: don't know a new postaler and I have a little
Speaker 1: bit of an issue. I mean, I think they're maybe
Speaker 1: they're trying to like subvert the algorithm and just be
Speaker 1: like make sure I get eyes on this, and maybe
Speaker 1: they're being funny. Probably probably not, probably not, probably know.
Speaker 1: And it's like to generalize with the bandon it usually
Speaker 1: is thoughts and we and we love thoughts and you're
Speaker 1: an important part of our economy. But like you, I
Speaker 1: don't have to do that. Most of the time, I've
Speaker 1: literally already liked the picture because if you were a
Speaker 1: thought that I follow, you're probably popping up at the
Speaker 1: top of my Instagram story. Because Instagram is deeply evil.
Speaker 1: I can't like too many thought photos because otherwise in
Speaker 1: my discover page, it's all thought photos. And just like
Speaker 1: when you go to your discovered page and it's literally
Speaker 1: all shirtless men, that's when you know you have to
Speaker 1: seek treatment. Um, but we need them to thrive. I mean,
Speaker 1: they are, like, as you said, a huge part of
Speaker 1: our economy. Actually, culture number twenty two thoughts are a
Speaker 1: huge part of our economy. Okay. I think I have
Speaker 1: something which is booming, by the way, and I'm so
Speaker 1: sick of hearing about it, because shut up. Things are
Speaker 1: not good things. Things are not good. I don't need
Speaker 1: to hear that there's more jobs, like you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like that's an I don't think for another
Speaker 1: time about this is bowen Yanks. I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: on this the episode with Joe Castle Baker, an incredible
Speaker 1: episode of Last Cultures that we've enjoyed, and his time
Speaker 1: starts now. I don't think so, honey. Of these recipes
Speaker 1: that have Asian in the title, and there's nothing fucking
Speaker 1: Asian about them. There's a mayo and a chicken salad,
Speaker 1: Asian medley whatever the fuck. No, my people did not
Speaker 1: throw almonds into their pork. Okay, I don't know what
Speaker 1: what Asian? What Asian meatballs are? Okay, just take what
Speaker 1: Asian tag? What Asian? My ancestors did not toil in
Speaker 1: the fields during the Colt Revolution in China. They did
Speaker 1: not wish upon a jade amulet for you to appropriate
Speaker 1: an entire fucking continental name just so you could sell
Speaker 1: and pedal your bullshit granola mick onto me, honey. So listen,
Speaker 1: if you want to call it something and make it exotic,
Speaker 1: just like there's raisins in it, I'll be sold. I
Speaker 1: love raisins. I'm a raisin bitch. Don't call it Asian.
Speaker 1: That's one minute. I think that was important, and thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you very much. Just because it has scallions doesn't
Speaker 1: mean it's Asian. Honestly, what do you think is that?
Speaker 1: Why do you think they do that to make it
Speaker 1: seem more interesting, because they can't be like, well, it's
Speaker 1: it's a chicken salad sandwich. No, we gotta get clicks.
Speaker 1: We're gonna call it an Asian chicken salad. We're gonna
Speaker 1: do a little little things of di con in there.
Speaker 1: And I would assume whenever if I ever see something
Speaker 1: with Asian in the title, I would assume as a
Speaker 1: as a consumer of food that they're talking about, like
Speaker 1: whatever dressing is on it, or like whatever sauces on it,
Speaker 1: Like just they're really just projecting an entire culture onto
Speaker 1: one ingredient. That's what it is. It's like it's ginger. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're doing you know, garlics asia an Asian narrow Can
Speaker 1: you imagine? That is so insane, it's sucking crazy. Anyway,
Speaker 1: and that wasn't I don't think so, honey, that needed
Speaker 1: to be thank you. I think we're getting back into
Speaker 1: the form you and I because Matt and I everyone
Speaker 1: else like does amazing. I don't think so. And you
Speaker 1: and I are just so We've done so many but
Speaker 1: now but now I'm really like starting to understand how
Speaker 1: to get back into the saddle the journey, hero's journey. Yes,
Speaker 1: thank you, Joseph Campbell, Okay, this is Joe Castle Baker's
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, and his time starts now.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. People that need to play
Speaker 1: music during sex even don't even need to, but just
Speaker 1: like do it anyway, Like what mood? What mood are
Speaker 1: you trying to set? Like I don't need you to
Speaker 1: set my mood. If I'm in the mood, I will
Speaker 1: be in the mood. I don't need Lord to set
Speaker 1: the mood for me. And if Lord sets the mood
Speaker 1: for you, what does that mean about you. Does tennis
Speaker 1: court make you hot? Does tennis cord make you hard? So?
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, if you are playing, okay,
Speaker 1: let's say that you maybe not even Lord. Maybe it's
Speaker 1: something a little more appropriate, like some kind of electronic
Speaker 1: Like this is not like the moment where you like
Speaker 1: crack the code and ask for you like where I'm
Speaker 1: getting you. I'm getting your head right now, like this
Speaker 1: is not the moment for that kind of music or
Speaker 1: even like I don't even know any kind of music
Speaker 1: all music. The thing I want is to hear breathing
Speaker 1: and the air conditioner and that's that's one minute. Wow. Okay,
Speaker 1: I have sucked to Lord, and I find I could
Speaker 1: suck to the sound four harder lucks on repeat? Is there? Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not greatly. Yes, I love Lord. I'm not crying.
Speaker 1: A song make you horny, Yes, it really does. Actually,
Speaker 1: I have to tell you, Joe, I fucking I get
Speaker 1: extremely horny. Here's the thing that got to me. What
Speaker 1: about like a frank ocean thing. No, I don't think
Speaker 1: that's There's no music on earth, D'Angelo that will make
Speaker 1: me horny. Okay, you're not listening to the right playlist.
Speaker 1: I have a playlist on my Spotify called L O
Speaker 1: L and it's my sex playlist, and I will I'll
Speaker 1: send it to me. And one time I had sexual
Speaker 1: someone and they said and after we had sex, they said,
Speaker 1: that was a great fun playlist, and I was like,
Speaker 1: that's Joe. I get what you're saying. But I also
Speaker 1: every every it depends on the context. I think I
Speaker 1: like to light candles, play some fucking wordless music. Here's
Speaker 1: the thing, what about music words? The word this music
Speaker 1: is the worst because the word this music, it's I
Speaker 1: love this. Um, I'm not cracking the code and sv you,
Speaker 1: I'm giving you head. That is a beautiful pull quote
Speaker 1: from Joe's I d T S a Train. That's really good.
Speaker 1: But I wordless music is creepy. I don't think so.
Speaker 1: Yeah it is, but it's more appropriate. I would definitely
Speaker 1: definitely not choose music with lyrics for songs. If I mean,
Speaker 1: if you had to have music playing during sex, like
Speaker 1: at least make it an instrumental. What about like Rocket
Speaker 1: by Beyonce like that. Here's the thing. Even that are
Speaker 1: like explicitly sexual, it's like, come let me. Maybe I
Speaker 1: don't want to feel that right now. I like the
Speaker 1: third or fourth time that Henry and I hooked up,
Speaker 1: like when we first started dating. Oh my god, we
Speaker 1: actually like on accident one plus one by Beyonce came
Speaker 1: on and it ended so much to where it was
Speaker 1: like I think and both of our minds were like this.
Speaker 1: You know why because when you're playing music that's basically
Speaker 1: a threesome with that artist, you're having a threesome. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's are always badimes. I've never very bad. I never
Speaker 1: had a free Really. I bet you've done threes I have. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've had a few, but not with music Gallatin. That
Speaker 1: would get a question. I would I would go back
Speaker 1: to Galaton and study threesomes. I would go back. You
Speaker 1: would be welcomed with open. I don't know you guys.
Speaker 1: I think we're all disagreeing about this music thing. I
Speaker 1: think I'm in between the two of you. That's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Yeah, what music would you play? Um? What
Speaker 1: would you say? Okay? Let me? I truly this is
Speaker 1: pulling out the phone. This is my very basic fun
Speaker 1: playlist that I have not ever used like an actual
Speaker 1: I think mine's on iTunes and like it's it's like
Speaker 1: it's not. Hold on. Maybe I deleted it because I
Speaker 1: was fully fully ashamed of it. Hold on, hold on
Speaker 1: to my I did it because my phone, my phone
Speaker 1: data was full and I can't figure out how to
Speaker 1: this is? This is, this is so old. I have
Speaker 1: like I have songs from like the very first XX album,
Speaker 1: so maybe that's in between lyrical and in general. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I have like this is so bad. I have Marvin
Speaker 1: gay please day, Um, I have Dr Dre Explosive. I
Speaker 1: have but do you see that the oral changes a
Speaker 1: you are a algae are insane too much like you
Speaker 1: need someone there to orchestrate it? Then you know, I
Speaker 1: mean totally can you having Marvin Gay on there is
Speaker 1: very first thought? I'm saying, this is very first thought.
Speaker 1: Can I just read someone so bad? I have uh
Speaker 1: b J the Chicago Kid. I have, UM, I have
Speaker 1: No Sleep by Janet Jackson. I have Hello by Erica Badou.
Speaker 1: I have um Bliss I remember I carry off Rainbow
Speaker 1: and then like that's and I like Frank Ocean stuff
Speaker 1: and that's okay. I mean the first song that I
Speaker 1: saw in mine was Tambourine by Eve, which is shake
Speaker 1: your tambourine one yourself and which is this is not
Speaker 1: for section. So I clearly made this one. I was three,
Speaker 1: and you refused to reveal anything else. Just I just
Speaker 1: I just embarrassed myself to so many people. I mean,
Speaker 1: this actually actually isn't the playlist because I believe it
Speaker 1: might just be at home on my on my iTunes,
Speaker 1: like because because I don't know local file like but
Speaker 1: follow me on and I will be posting because I
Speaker 1: was like too nervous. Of course that moment of name
Speaker 1: that's another like like humiliation of naming a playlist. Wait,
Speaker 1: that's so real, Like what if someone reads my playlist title?
Speaker 1: One of mine is called inspired in all caps, and
Speaker 1: I have my famous one is called Classic Diva whichever
Speaker 1: one should? What makes a good playlist title? You think
Speaker 1: that that is outwardly like cool? You have to just
Speaker 1: not give a ship, just literally not care, just like
Speaker 1: fuck exactly. I have one called Now and like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's like not so vulnerable, are so vulnerable,
Speaker 1: but they're just so performative. Nobody looks at that. No, honestly,
Speaker 1: whenever anyone somehow I don't think so honey, people who
Speaker 1: somehow fine what I'm listening to on Spotify and like
Speaker 1: shot of it. I'm like, get out of my life. Literally,
Speaker 1: I've been doing this thing where I do post my
Speaker 1: playlists on my story. Is that a little? Is that
Speaker 1: a thing? But no, do you guys think it's a
Speaker 1: thing where it's like I think it might be a
Speaker 1: degree of like I want to show people how cool
Speaker 1: I am. Yeah, for sure, that's healthy. That's healthy. That's
Speaker 1: a sign of a healthy psyche like like, that's basically
Speaker 1: the same thing as new post alert, new playlist. No, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's it's disgusting, I know, honest, be honest, be honest,
Speaker 1: No new playlist because you've cultivated You're not a musician.
Speaker 1: You're not making the music. Yes, you're saying, which is
Speaker 1: even worse. It's even why it's different. You're sharing something
Speaker 1: that you cultivated, and it's not a new post alert,
Speaker 1: which is you hiring someone to take a hot photo
Speaker 1: of you. And it's which is also noble and beautiful, gorgeous,
Speaker 1: and we need you for the economy. Thank you, Never forget,
Speaker 1: never forget if you want to stop this whole thing
Speaker 1: with crumble exactly right. Um, I loved this. This is
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Speaker 1: and then. What is the last thing you want to
Speaker 1: say for right now to the last culture Just listeners
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Speaker 1: say to them that they that they need to know?
Speaker 1: As a Gallatin School of inewl at the end of
Speaker 1: all your studies, after everything I learned at Gallatin, I
Speaker 1: would say, you know, let go, let go, let yourself,
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Speaker 1: you thank you so much, thank you n y u
Speaker 1: and thank you so much, and thank you so much.
Speaker 1: And that reminds us of a song that we're going
Speaker 1: to finish as we finished with every song. Every episode
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