WEBVTT - The Cities and Secrets that Lurk Below, NY-Boston-Berlin + Your Town! 0:00:03.760 --> 0:00:11.319 Now really, now really. This is another episode of Really 0:00:11.440 --> 0:00:14.120 No Really, the podcast that makes Peter Tilden and Jason 0:00:14.160 --> 0:00:18.880 Alexander examine things that have us say to each other or. 0:00:19.400 --> 0:00:25.200 Perhaps on our own under yeah the Wolves, Really no really, 0:00:25.680 --> 0:00:28.960 that's exactly and this one shed launched right into this one. 0:00:29.000 --> 0:00:31.040 I saw as long as kind of fascinating this This 0:00:31.160 --> 0:00:34.479 both intrigues me and freaks me out a little bit, 0:00:34.800 --> 0:00:36.839 but yes, by all means. So it started. 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:39.239 I've always been fascinated about like the steam in New 0:00:39.320 --> 0:00:39.720 York City. 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:43.360 Yeah, because if any major city, you know, there's not 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:45.720 only is there steam coming out of the sewer grades 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:49.600 and the manholes, but there's occasionally you'll see like a pipe, 0:00:49.920 --> 0:00:52.800 like a like a yeah, you know, a FLEXI show. 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:54.520 So I started looking at that stuff and then I 0:00:54.520 --> 0:00:59.360 see this headline it's manhole Explosion Season in New York 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:02.280 City and a beautiful song. I think, I think that's 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:08.880 a Trials act. And so then I start looking that 0:01:09.000 --> 0:01:13.040 up and I go, what's that about. From two thousand 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:17.800 and nine to twenty eighteen, Yeah, there were four thousand 0:01:18.319 --> 0:01:22.680 dispatches by the Fire Department New York for manhold explosions. 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:27.640 And that's among the forty five thousand emergency manhold incidents. 0:01:27.680 --> 0:01:31.360 So this is when a manhole literally blows off up 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:35.640 out of the street and lands god knows where as 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:38.600 it did in the Bronx and flipped the Cadillac escalade, 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:44.360 blew out windows April ten, twenty twenty two. Three explosions 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:48.880 in Times Square February eighteenth to in Midtown. But not 0:01:48.880 --> 0:01:50.840 to be left out, Yonkers has got their own. So 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:52.640 I go, what the what. 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:54.960 If the Free Prise Yonkers isn't breaking the record? 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:57.440 What is going on underground? So I started looking that 0:01:57.640 --> 0:02:00.320 up a bit, and what you find out is there 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:02.400 are two hundred and sixty four thousand manholes in New 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:05.000 York City just waiting, just waiting for their moment. 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:08.680 Manholes. That's not even potholes, that's not manholes. 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:12.480 One hundred and five steam pipes. Then you got ninety 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:14.080 eight thousand miles of electrical. 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:16.000 One hundred and five of those pipes that come up 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:17.919 out of the ground where I say we sometimes see 0:02:18.040 --> 0:02:20.040 steam underground. 0:02:20.080 --> 0:02:22.640 And by the way, only one hundred and five, but 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:25.080 big ones, and they go for miles and miles and miles, okay, 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:27.839 and on and on and on, and the amazing thing 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:31.320 about New York City and what's underground is I didn't 0:02:31.360 --> 0:02:35.359 realize the sewage pipes used to dump raw sewage directly 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:36.080 into the Hudson. 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:39.480 You didn't realize that until wait, wait did you stand? In? 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:41.280 What year did they stop? When? 0:02:41.320 --> 0:02:43.600 Do you think they stop recently? 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:48.280 Yes? Yeah, like twenty twelve, nineteen eighty six, yeah, yeah, 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:50.840 And by me, how I know that my apartment was 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:51.920 a block from the Hudson. 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:54.760 I am well aware. They used to put a ross 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:56.000 sewage in the Hutston, and. 0:02:56.000 --> 0:02:58.400 Then people used to it was an annual race swim 0:02:58.440 --> 0:03:02.720 around Manhattan Island in the Hudson. Yeah, and a lot 0:03:02.760 --> 0:03:03.679 of those people got sick. 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:06.240 I bet I'll tell you something else. No pipes in 0:03:06.280 --> 0:03:08.920 this I once went into the boat pond in Central 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:10.400 Park for a commercial. 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:16.320 I got appatitis. I was just in not even in 0:03:16.360 --> 0:03:18.880 the Hudson. So yeah. And the other thing. The other 0:03:18.919 --> 0:03:21.519 thing is some of these pipes under New York City, Yeah, 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:24.160 pre date the Civil War. 0:03:25.840 --> 0:03:27.640 Yeah, sure, yeah, I'm. 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:30.360 Sure wouldn't put in there when we're here. 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:32.639 I don't think the pipe was wooden. 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:34.920 So oh they have, wouldn't they have wooden? Wooden pipes? 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:36.680 Under New York that they had to convert that. They 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:39.680 started with, Oh yeah, what's a wooden and we'll talk 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:41.600 about that. We have a guest on, So we wanted 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:44.040 to get a guest on who knows what's under cities 0:03:44.400 --> 0:03:47.560 not just New York, but under cities in Italy, there's 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:50.280 all kinds of in France, there's like catacombs and skulls. 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:51.920 There's a lot of stuff down there. You got the 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:53.320 under guy that you don't know, so I got the 0:03:53.400 --> 0:03:57.360 under guy underdogor Don Waldman is joining us. Don is 0:03:57.400 --> 0:04:01.400 one of TV's most trustworthy and adventurous history enthusiasts. 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:04.200 He writes here, by the way, that's not a big category. 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:06.200 It's not a category at all. 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:08.360 Category already you're gonna see not a lot of respect. 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:10.440 But we love you're you're really something else. 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:11.320 Thank you. 0:04:11.560 --> 0:04:14.320 Posted hosted a lot of stuff on the Travel Channel, 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:15.600 and a lot of it has to do with history, 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:20.960 mysteries in the museum, monumental mysteries, greatest mysteries, beyond the Unknown, 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:27.080 dark tales, mysteries for even me, mystery mysteries. So, but Don, 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:30.560 you've traveled all over the world and you've seen it all. 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:32.200 Can we welcome to the upon. 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:34.920 Thank you so much. It's really really an honor to 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:35.320 be here. 0:04:36.120 --> 0:04:37.440 Now, don't get crazy. 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:40.080 You're a handsome and powerful man, don and we appreciate. 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:40.240 It, all right. 0:04:40.320 --> 0:04:43.520 So if you can, why Bob wi, how creepy is 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:45.360 it just in general going under cities? 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:47.920 Is that is that it depends on the space, you know. 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:48.640 Uh. 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:51.960 This basically comes from the fact of the matter that 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:55.760 in old times it was a lot easier to knock 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:59.839 something down and bury it instead of as we do today, 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:02.440 carry it away, you know, And so you end up 0:05:02.440 --> 0:05:06.680 with layers upon layers of civilization in these older areas 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:09.240 of the world that are still there, you know, and 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:11.239 when you go down and look for them, you find 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:15.200 those older versions of whatever city you're standing in. This 0:05:15.279 --> 0:05:20.320 is a very very lively subject that goes from you know, 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:23.720 ancient man up until modern times. Because the same thing 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:27.479 happens today. We build foundations that we build upon, we 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:31.799 dig things with tunnel boring machines. It's just this huge 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:35.359 realm underground that once you get access to it and 0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:38.279 start looking around, it just kind of blows your mind 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:43.039 about the incredible innovations, the determination of human beings to 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:45.640 do what they do and create the structures that they 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:48.279 need to do, you know, to build their buildings. 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:52.800 And are you talking about like, I'll focus on New 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:55.400 York for a moment, so when we talk about an 0:05:55.480 --> 0:06:00.440 underground city, are we talking about the real I realized 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:03.720 that there are working subway tunnels and they're working. 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:07.080 Exactly piety utilities. 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:12.039 But is there also, like what I find remnants of 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:14.000 old New York New York? 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:16.600 Oh yeah, yes. There's a very famous story from the 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:22.080 nineteen eighties. His first name is Bob lovely Man, who 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:24.839 took up a radio contest. There had been a legend 0:06:25.440 --> 0:06:29.360 about a masonically built like the Masons, building a tunnel 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:34.839 under Atlantic Avenue in Brooklyn, and this tunnel had been dug, 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:36.919 you know, hundreds and hundreds of years ago, but it 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:41.880 had been sealed off by modern times. And this radio guy, 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:45.880 sort of crazy shockjock guy, challenged people this new world 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:48.680 of urban exploration, go find this tunnel and we'll give 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:50.680 you a prize. And this guy named Bob, who was 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:53.040 a guy in his twenties at the time, decided to 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:55.839 take this upon himself and he found out where this 0:06:55.920 --> 0:07:00.400 tunnel was, and it indeed had been buried with regular 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:03.200 old sand. But he and his pals dug up a 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:06.240 manhole and then started digging, and they found the tunnel, 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:08.880 and it had been sealed off with concrete or a 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:12.920 cinderblock wall in World War One times because of their 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:16.120 worries about the German espionage and so forth. But once 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:18.680 you broke down that wall, you got through to what 0:07:18.880 --> 0:07:23.080 was probably three blocks long of old train tunnel, like 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:26.600 old big brick, big stone tunnel that was down there 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:29.600 and at the end of which it had also been collapsed. 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:33.400 They suspected that the original train that went to Long 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:37.120 Island out to the farmlands of Long Island was buried 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:40.280 in there as well. There's even rumors of all kinds 0:07:40.320 --> 0:07:43.360 of crazy stuff back there. It was very much used 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:47.520 by murder inc As a place to deposit dead bodies 0:07:47.560 --> 0:07:50.160 and so forth, and that had been buried in that 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:52.480 had been covered up until Bob found it, and I 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:54.440 went down with him the first time that he was 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:56.360 able to go back as an older man. He was 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:59.240 very ill, and he knew that it was really a 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:02.280 funny day. He knew the manhole. He says, I know 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:03.960 that all the gas guys don't worry about it. He 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:07.800 brings his own little cones and circles the cones in 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:10.920 the middle of a regular day, and we said, public, 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:12.880 can we really do this? And it's all being shot 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:15.920 veritee with my cameraman and everything, and we pry open 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:18.800 the manhole, pretending we're gas guys, and we go down 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:21.120 in this place. He hadn't been in for maybe twenty years, 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:23.960 and we climbed down and sure enough you'd walk in 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:26.560 and there is this enormous tunnel that no one ever 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:28.880 goes there and nobody ever knows is even there, and 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:30.560 it was just an incredible thing to see. So that 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:34.480 was one of many many pieces of infrastructure that are 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:37.480 in New York. What you mentioned before, Peter, the idea 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:41.320 of these wooden pipes. They just dug one up not 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:45.600 too long ago. The original Aaron Burr water system that's 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:49.559 underneath the Financial District still, which is a whole big story. 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:52.880 I mean, and don the water pipes or gravity, right, 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:56.040 So they like tilted in a way that they had 0:08:56.040 --> 0:08:57.400 the run down. 0:08:58.000 --> 0:08:59.760 Even he doesn't how long could that run? 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:02.480 So it was a story. It's it's Aaron Burr, the 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:05.839 creepy guy of history, right, and he basically conned. I 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:11.160 mean this is wait, my friend, I'm sorry, and very well, 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:15.040 and very well. Aaron Burke got a contract from the 0:09:15.040 --> 0:09:17.720 New York City, from New York City to deliver fresh 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:19.600 water for the first time. And you know, they were 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:22.240 suffering in those early days of the eighteen hundreds, and 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:25.600 he guaranteed that he would deliver two hundred some plus 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:28.920 outlets through this new system of water that was going 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:31.240 to be pumped from the Bronx River. And he got 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:34.760 this whole thing contracted, and he built the system and 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:38.240 it was all made of hollowed out wooden logs that 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:41.400 were all connected, and that was all down there. And 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:43.440 so then he just took the money and ran because 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:45.520 in the contract he had that he could use the 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:48.840 money for his own banking purposes. So it was a 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:51.240 total con job. Only a little bit of the water 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:53.640 was ever delivered, not from the Bronx but from from 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:57.000 the old source that was there in the East village. 0:09:57.280 --> 0:10:03.439 Did not see that, and. 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:02.880 And he took that money and he started his own 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:06.439 company called the Manhattan Company, and that Manhattan Company eventually 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:10.680 becomes Chase Manhattan. So that's the bank chat and oh 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:12.520 my god, there my first. 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:18.080 Really and the connection in the show fraud and everything 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:20.240 else that is in the Hamilton show. I would love 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:23.560 to see Manuel rap about's make. 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:26.880 A wooden pipe get together with him? Stuck go then 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:30.320 I don't know right? 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:34.840 Your water is not there? And either am I? So wow? 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:37.600 And that continues today? Is it true? There? Okay, I'm 0:10:37.600 --> 0:10:40.240 going to hit you with a couple of things. The 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:44.360 river down down downstream underground there is called snot stickles 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:48.120 because it's underground, snotstickles because it's got back to Is 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:48.640 that accurate? 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:49.000 Oh god? 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:49.280 Yeah? 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:52.000 And the little lag tights that come from the from 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:55.000 the drips through the ceiling and stuff, all the limestone 0:10:55.040 --> 0:10:56.840 that comes through. It's gross discussed. 0:10:56.920 --> 0:10:58.920 So you go down? Are you in like a has man? 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:02.040 Sometimes ends on who I'm interviewing and what we're doing 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:03.760 and what we got away with. You know, this is 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:06.080 the realm of urban explorers who've been doing this forever. 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:08.599 There's a guy named Steve who's been very famously doing this. 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:12.360 He's now a professor of city history and stuff. You know, 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:14.880 there have been people who've been, you know, going through 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:18.240 this realm forever, and we sort of jumped on their 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:20.760 coattails doing this as a TV show. It all started 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:24.080 with Istanbul. You know, Istanbul was very famous in the 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:28.360 nineties and early aughts because they started building a subway 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:31.679 tunnel in Istanbul and modernizing the city, and all they 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:34.440 kept doing is having to stop all this construction because 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:37.920 they've run into yet another archaeological, amazing find. You know, 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:40.920 the famous Basilica that they that they opened up was 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:43.560 because of that subway construction. And it was at that 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:46.679 time that people that I work with, this great production company, 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:50.280 one of whom is a Turk, said hey, this seems 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:51.880 like a really good idea for a show, and I 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:54.120 said yep, and so off we went. And it turns 0:11:54.120 --> 0:11:56.400 out the entire world is full of these kinds of 0:11:56.440 --> 0:11:58.839 mysteries that are that are revealed as soon as you 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:01.400 dig down below and find them. The best of all 0:12:01.400 --> 0:12:03.679 of them is an Acco do you know Aka, it's 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:09.360 also called Okra in northern Israel. It's around Haifa, oh yes, yes, yes, 0:12:09.440 --> 0:12:15.120 in insane place where you have the original Crusader castle, 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:18.640 which is there from like twelve hundred and it's real 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:22.680 like it's the hospitality of the French guys, and they've 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:25.560 got flirt delis and all that that was buried by 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:28.120 the Ottomans who took it over, of course, the Muslim 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:31.400 who came over and they buried in sort of symbolically 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:34.240 as well as practically built their city on top of that. 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:37.199 And then the Brits come along later on and build 0:12:37.200 --> 0:12:39.040 something else on top of that. And so it's this 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:41.400 multi level city that they just started digging up in 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:43.959 the nineties. And you can go all the way down 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:47.560 and that's tourism and that's great and it's clean and easy. 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:49.960 But all around the city are people with their own 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:53.079 little basement entrances into this place, so they're very dangerous. 0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:55.200 But you can literally go into people's basements and then 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:57.920 go two levels down and be sort of pushing things 0:12:57.960 --> 0:13:00.920 aside and crawling into the top of a doorway into 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:03.280 a twelve hundred year old you know, from the year 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:07.360 twelve hundred, into this, into this castle system. It's incredible. 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:10.920 And are these are are these? Is there a danger 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:11.240 to going in? 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:11.880 Very much? 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:14.600 So, very much so. I was not allowed by that 0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:16.839 archaeologist that day who took me down. It was a 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:18.720 he's the head of the whole thing. He said, no, 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:19.920 I'm going in there. You're not going to do it. 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:23.160 Because the gases that get released, you know, the mold 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:25.200 and everything else that gets into your into your system 0:13:25.280 --> 0:13:29.240 is very dangerous and it's amazing. It's simply amazing that 0:13:29.280 --> 0:13:31.800 I did not get sick in some major way from 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:33.960 the bat caves that we did and stuff like that. 0:13:34.040 --> 0:13:36.760 All the the guano and things like that, the rats 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:38.280 and everything. It's it's disgusting. 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:40.720 Yeah, don you gotta start spending some time above ground. 0:13:40.760 --> 0:13:42.920 So let's finish with New York real quick. More people. 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:45.520 I've heard stories about mold people. I read about a 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:47.400 guy who met them old people and the woman who's 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:49.040 living down there for twenty eight years, and they hear 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:51.640 from other people. Yeah, it's real, total bs. It doesn't 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:52.480 it doesn't exist. 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:54.920 So yes, I you know, to a degree, I think 0:13:54.920 --> 0:13:58.280 it does. I think it wasn't as sensational as that 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:00.559 was reported to be. I mean what that about was 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:04.880 really like Times Square and the unused tunnels of the 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:06.880 subway system. There's a lot of those. I mean down 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:09.240 in the village there's that new uh, you know, the 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:12.080 the underground version of the high line is being developed 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:14.440 into a into a park, you know, where they use 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:17.680 the original subway tunnel down by city Hall and stuff. 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:19.680 And I don't even even know how far along that is, 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:23.000 but it's a great idea. But there are all kinds 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:25.760 of tunnels that never get used again. I've toured a 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:28.440 lot of them up in Boston, for example, the Boston 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:30.760 sub with a t system has a ton of dead 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:32.920 end tunnels that are just there for storage and stuff. 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:36.040 And you know, you can imagine how that works. You know, 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:38.160 they dig these things and then say, oh, never mind, 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:40.600 we're not going that way, and that that space just 0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:43.880 doesn't get attended to. A lot of these public spaces, 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:46.000 and I mean public by you know, back into kingdoms 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:49.360 and so forth, are just there because public money was 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:51.680 available to do them. But then it runs out, and 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:54.560 so nobody goes down there ever again until somebody finds 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:56.640 it and discovers it and does it a television show 0:14:56.680 --> 0:14:56.960 on it. 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:00.440 And where about sunken boat? I mean, are here there 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:03.760 are seventeenth century boats underground in there. I think under 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:05.520 New York there was a room, a mirrored room that 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:06.840 they found somewhere underground. 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:09.800 They found, uh, you know, when they did the World 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:13.200 the original excavation for the first foundation of the World 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:15.360 Trade Center, they found boats down there because that had 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:19.359 been the original you know, shoreline. So much of Manhattan 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:24.360 shoreline is is you know, backfill. It's all filled in 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:27.440 as recently as the seventies, I guess. But so you're 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:30.360 gonna find inevitably things down there that that are from 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:33.400 the early Dutch days and all that kind of stuff. 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:35.040 It's it's growing. 0:15:34.960 --> 0:15:37.640 And it done. That's interesting. So I did not know 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:41.760 that about the actual shoreline of New York. Oh yeah, 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:45.560 New York Island has been enhanced through My god. 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:47.880 There used to be a beach, you know on where 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:50.360 the where the World Trade Center is or that whole 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:52.400 what's it called the you know with. 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:53.760 A Freedom Plaza. 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:56.440 Yeah, that whole area with the where American Express used 0:15:56.440 --> 0:15:59.840 to be in all that, Yeah, that's all filled in. 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:03.800 That's a that's an extended shoreline. And so the original 0:16:03.800 --> 0:16:06.320 shoreline is under where the World Trade Center was sitting 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:10.240 in her Freedom Tower, I guess is. And so all 0:16:10.280 --> 0:16:12.560 that is is extended, you know. 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:18.359 So are they well, is that a viable technology? 0:16:18.400 --> 0:16:18.480 Oh? 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:19.600 Yeah, I mean I'm. 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:22.600 Putting in the car before the horse. All the reports 0:16:22.640 --> 0:16:25.080 are is that the water levels are rising around Manhattan 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:28.280 and that particularly lower Manhattan is in grave danger of 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:32.960 being underwater in the next decade to two. Is do 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:36.320 we have the technology to keep raising sort of the 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:37.720 structure of the lower part of the. 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:40.960 It's just money, you know, That's what that That's where 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:42.600 the government comes in, and how much are they going 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:45.400 to spend to raise that that shoreline even more than 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:48.080 they already did. You go to Prague, for example, You 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:52.040 walk around Prague. The Jewish quarter of Prague is twelve 0:16:52.040 --> 0:16:55.480 feet higher than the original city, and you can go 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:58.560 into many many buildings down there and find where they 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:01.440 actually lifted up the city. You stand next to the 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:04.960 Tiber river in Rome. Everybody walks along that river. Well, 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:07.680 that huge wall behind you is the raised city. It's 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:11.320 thirty feet high. So that new city, the modern city, 0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:14.399 sits on top of that, that whole underground, which is 0:17:14.400 --> 0:17:18.000 the original spaces of each level of that city. When 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:21.320 they raised it higher and higher, that's typically what is done. 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:24.600 It's more of a practical measure just for flood control, 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:27.560 mostly of those old cities, because they were constantly getting 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:29.600 flooded out, So of course that's what they would do. 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:32.800 But that's an old technique for human society, is just 0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:35.280 to raise the level of ground, and. 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:37.480 They cannot do that to a place like Venice, Italy 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:39.800 because there is no that's. 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:40.480 A whole different thing. 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:43.359 It's like a floating Yeah, there's so much water. 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:45.480 I mean it's so much. It's just open water. That's 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:47.520 the whole idea that they didn't have streets, they just 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:51.120 had canals, and so it's a different kind of challenge. 0:17:51.119 --> 0:17:51.440 I think. 0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:55.359 Yeah, don we're also seeing now across the country is 0:17:55.480 --> 0:17:58.719 major structured big buildings. Yeah, there are sinking, sinking buildings 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:03.600 that are tilting buildings there sinking. What's and with your 0:18:03.640 --> 0:18:06.800 knowledge of what's under stuff? Yeah, you go, uh oh, 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:09.760 there are kind of comes under there. There's movable grounds. Yeah, 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:12.679 there's a fault line. I would get out of Apartment three. 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:15.080 Scene now I know. Well, I mean this is this 0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:16.680 is happening all the time. 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:18.760 I start researching where they are and you go, oh wow, 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:19.680 this is not a one one. 0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:21.840 Where are you thinking of what's the what's the area? 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:24.160 Well, the one they said even in the marina out 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:28.240 here they're concerned about some of those buildings starting to sink. Well, 0:18:28.280 --> 0:18:30.080 the one that they had to knock down and the 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:32.320 one's next to them in Florida, there's something. Yeah, and 0:18:32.359 --> 0:18:35.400 because of rising sea levels, it's also altering even inland. 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:35.760 What's going on? 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:39.360 My wife and I just bought an eighteen hundred cottage 0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:42.760 on Martha's Vineyard that the engineer just explained to me 0:18:42.840 --> 0:18:48.000 that the foundation is rotting away and and that's why 0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:50.480 the porch is tilting that way, you know, downwards. And 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:52.119 I said, what do you mean it's rotting away? And 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:54.560 he said, well, that's every building in the world eventually, 0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:56.920 is that happens to So that's why you have to 0:18:56.960 --> 0:19:00.119 go under and repoor foundations every hundred years or so. 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:02.159 So it happens to everything, and it's it's just a 0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:02.800 matter of time. 0:19:03.880 --> 0:19:05.399 So do I always own it? 0:19:05.560 --> 0:19:05.720 When? 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:09.960 Why didn't I do the right investigation before? 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:11.160 People? 0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:14.280 Don't you mind the house for My inspector said, good 0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:15.480 to go, And. 0:19:15.520 --> 0:19:18.760