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Speaker 1: Now officially open. This is Draft season. John Smelt Tony

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Speaker 1: Unlock Opportunity. Learn more at moodies dot com. Tony Pauline

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Speaker 1: from Sports Keita, Tony. We are just over three weeks

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Speaker 1: until Draft night. It has come particularly fast this year.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna do our top ten offensive rankings this week

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Speaker 1: before we get there, though, anything you want to hit

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Speaker 1: on in terms of prode's or news or anything like that.

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Speaker 2: So Prode's are basically over, Thank you Lord, because Mars

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Speaker 2: just drags for me.

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Speaker 3: Because I'm sitting by the phone.

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Speaker 2: I think the big news, and I had known this

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Speaker 2: for a couple of weeks, but I waited till it happened.

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Speaker 2: The big news last week is that Tyler Warren did

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Speaker 2: nothing at prode. Tyler Warren did nothing at the combine either,

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Speaker 2: no testing, no position drills, didn't do we have any

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Speaker 2: of that at Penn State. I was privy to that

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Speaker 2: information as they wrote in Sports Skeet a couple of

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Speaker 2: weeks before it had and basically what their plan was

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Speaker 2: with what Tyler Warren's team plan was is there are

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Speaker 2: four or five teams which are very interested in Tyler

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Speaker 2: Warren and they're just going to, for lack of a

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Speaker 2: better word, market Tyler Warren to those teams, no testing,

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Speaker 2: no position drills. I wasn't told whether or not he's

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Speaker 2: going to run forties when those teams come in to

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Speaker 2: work him out. Those teams were the Jets, those teams

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Speaker 2: were the Cults, those teams were the Bears, and the

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Speaker 2: team one team was the Rams. I'm also told the

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Speaker 2: Saints and the Charges also, like we'll get into that

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Speaker 2: where he goes as far as when we get to

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Speaker 2: the position, that the tight end position. But it's interesting

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Speaker 2: fewer and fewer players working out and then a guy

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Speaker 2: like Tyler Warren who doesn't do anything at the combine

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Speaker 2: or at prode so there's really no marks on them.

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Speaker 1: And Tony a lot of people have him as their

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Speaker 1: top tight end. I'm not going to argue with that.

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Speaker 1: I think that's fine. Him and close to Loveland are

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Speaker 1: very close for me. We'll talk about the tight ends

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Speaker 1: on today. But both of us did worry of his burst,

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Speaker 1: his twitchiness and like got part on his tape and

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Speaker 1: historically Penn State players with their strength and conditioning program

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Speaker 1: maybe red flag might be too strong. But maybe like

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Speaker 1: a yellow flag gets put up the flagpole a little

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Speaker 1: bit that all right, Well, if he's not testing, that

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Speaker 3: Well, I would say it's a red fuig.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you remember the COVID year when there

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Speaker 2: and that Penn State prode where all these two hundred

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Speaker 2: and forty pounds guys were running in the four threes,

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Speaker 2: the high four threes. And let's also not forget Michael Mayer.

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Speaker 2: Remember the tight end from Notre Dame, who no one

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Speaker 2: thought was going to run under four to eight. He

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Speaker 2: goes to the combine, he runs a four to seven.

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Speaker 2: He ran it the combine because he knew he was

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Speaker 2: going to dispel those myths that he was a slow

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Speaker 2: tight end. So if you've got the speed and you

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Speaker 2: So what you said is right on. In my opinion,

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Speaker 2: it's more of a red flag than it is.

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Speaker 3: A yellow flag.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, all right, So let's get into our top

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Speaker 1: tens here, Tony, let's talk about quarterbacks. Cam Ward. Both

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Speaker 1: of us have him at number one. Why don't you

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Speaker 1: go through the rest of your top ten and then

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Speaker 1: I'll throw some names in there myself in the door.

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Speaker 1: I have them ranked, and then we'll kind of debate

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Speaker 1: back and forth.

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Speaker 2: Cam Ward number one, Schador Sanders number two, I have

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Speaker 2: Jackson Dart number three. I've got Quinn Viewers number four.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people are going to disagree with that.

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Speaker 2: Quinn Ewers has done a lot of winning on the

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Speaker 2: college level. He's always come through. There were some in

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Speaker 2: physically the most gifted player in this draft, but someone

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Speaker 2: half of last season. Tyler Schunk of Louisville number six,

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Speaker 2: Riley Leonard of Note your name number seven. Then it

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Speaker 2: fills out with Colm Cord of Syracuse, whoever is a

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Speaker 4: All right, so I'm with the cam Ward at one.

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Speaker 1: Now You're probably gonna laugh at me, Tony, as I

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Speaker 4: I do not have a first round grade on Shad

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Speaker 1: I have a kind of a top of the second

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Speaker 1: because that's what happens with quarterbacks. Most second round graded

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Speaker 1: have I'm a guy that shoots for upside with QBS,

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Speaker 1: Tyler Shook. I have him in Sanders tags basically touching

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Speaker 1: I have him at five. I was impressed with the tape,

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Speaker 1: to be honest with you, Tony, I think I like

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Speaker 1: He is a loose arm. It's not like an A

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Speaker 1: In my opinion, he puts the ball into some tight areas.

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Speaker 1: I'd rather coach that out of a guy than to

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Speaker 1: I think he's just inconsistent from week to week, Like

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Speaker 1: you can't pull some of the throws off. He tries

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Speaker 1: yours is five with the third round grade. I have

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Speaker 1: Jaln Milroe after him as just a pure developmental guy. Like,

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Speaker 1: if you're just grading on his play, he's probably a

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Speaker 1: think Will Howard is a safe round four type of pick.

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Speaker 1: Com McCord, same deal. Round four. That's where I got.

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Speaker 1: coming up next on that list. I was wondering, you

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Speaker 2: Actually he's a little farther down because of what we

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Speaker 2: I got the kid from Canada, Elglismar Taylor, who's got

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Speaker 2: I think with Dylan Gabriel. Dylan Gabriel, I love him

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Speaker 1: All right, So let's have the debate here, because I

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Speaker 1: you think Shador Sanders is in the mixed top five?

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Speaker 1: Do you think he's gonna end up slipping a little bit?

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Speaker 1: What are you hearing around the league about generally what

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Speaker 3: I'll go back to the combine.

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Speaker 2: I wrote a story sports Kinna had said Shador Sanders

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Speaker 2: was in fact slipping, And there are some people who

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Speaker 2: it's not fair because they don't like his attitude or

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Speaker 2: Shador Sanders. As we've said here on the show multiple times,

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Speaker 2: the twenty twenty four film is not much better in

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Speaker 2: in some areas. It's not a big guy. He doesn't

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Speaker 2: mean the fact that it Shador Sanders coached by Dion Sanders,

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Speaker 2: you know, I think kind of elevates him in the outside.

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Speaker 3: Of the scouting community. And someone brought this up to me.

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Speaker 2: something you know, I don't want to say it's a

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Speaker 3: So I still have him as my number two quarterback.

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Speaker 2: I've had him in mock drass since the combine going

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Speaker 2: to the New Orleans Saints. But there are some people

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Speaker 4: And look, just to be clear, Tony has a first

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Speaker 1: I don't want people who screaming in replying to this

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Speaker 1: podcast that Tony hatechid Or Sanders. He does not know

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Speaker 1: I think some of the stuff Tony has thrown off

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Speaker 2: But you see you mentioned a word there that's also

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Speaker 2: And I put a premium on guys who are playing

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have more Day two picks this year quarterback

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Speaker 3: And why not.

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Speaker 1: And I defended Tony. I'll defend myself here too. So

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Speaker 2: I believe is far and away head and Shoals is

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Speaker 2: Quin Shawn Jenkins, what I saw during the college football

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Speaker 2: That violence, that ability to basically be a one man

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Speaker 2: Really you know, we talked about how it's a deep

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Speaker 1: Now I'm with you, all right. I'll go through my

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Speaker 1: Injuries worry me for him, Tony because having two years

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Speaker 1: Kentucky last year that that went to Buffalo, right. I

435
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Speaker 1: know he's talking about Yeah, you know who, I mean

436
00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:53,480
Speaker 1: who I had a really nice rookie year from uh.

437
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Speaker 1: I think he reminds me him a little bit. I

438
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Speaker 1: got Bachelle two next to Tony. He is a gooblong speed.

439
00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:02,000
Speaker 1: I think his vision at the line could use.

440
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Speaker 4: A little bit of work.

441
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Speaker 1: Still, he's a little slow to the hole sometimes, but

442
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Speaker 1: he runs a lot bigger than his two hundred and

443
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Speaker 1: six pound frame. Like he will lower his shoulder and

444
00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:12,680
Speaker 1: he will finish runs. That dude runs hard and again,

445
00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:14,520
Speaker 1: only two hundred and six pounds, but he's only five

446
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Speaker 1: to nine, so he's stout.

447
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Speaker 4: He has some power there.

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Speaker 1: I got Jordan James next, and I know I might

449
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Speaker 1: be helmet scouting here, but he reminds me of the

450
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Speaker 1: litter running back that came out of Oregon last year.

451
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Speaker 4: He's didn't test well small, but he sees it really well.

452
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Speaker 1: His short area of quickness is really really good, so

453
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Speaker 1: to me, I think he's gonna be a good player.

454
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Speaker 1: And then my other last two guys out through out

455
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Speaker 1: there outside my top ten, but I like him is RJ. Harvey,

456
00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,240
Speaker 1: who I just think is really explosive. Is a guy

457
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Speaker 1: you can bring in as a change of pace back

458
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Speaker 1: and then as a late round, third down back. Marcus

459
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Speaker 1: Yarns and I still have three or four running backs

460
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Speaker 1: I still have to watch. To be honest with you,

461
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Speaker 1: I didn't finish ATM. I didn't finish Damian Martinez. They

462
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Speaker 1: can move up into the zone too once I finish him.

463
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Speaker 1: But there are backs of all different shypes, shapes and sizes.

464
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Speaker 1: To your point, whatever you need, you can find need

465
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Speaker 1: a bigger power back and need to receiving back, you

466
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Speaker 1: need to fast back, they're all here. There's a lot

467
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Speaker 1: of different options, which I love a.

468
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Speaker 3: Couple of things.

469
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Speaker 2: The kid from Kentucky that's on the Bill's Ray Davis

470
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Speaker 2: was the name you ever think of as far as

471
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Speaker 2: Tuton is concerned. You got to remember people don't know

472
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Speaker 2: he was playing on an ankle last season that was

473
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Speaker 2: about seventy five percent, so I think that hurt him

474
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Speaker 2: and his ability to cut back. His ankle even at

475
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Speaker 2: the Senior Bowl was only about ninety percent. The ankle

476
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Speaker 2: finally got fully healthy leading up to the combine at

477
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,600
Speaker 2: a Pro day when he blew it up. I agree

478
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Speaker 2: with you about Samson. The other guy, I do agree

479
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Speaker 2: with you. Jordan James is my number eleven back. He

480
00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,560
Speaker 2: is an explosive guy. He is a violent guy. Only

481
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Speaker 2: two hundred and five pounds five nine and a half,

482
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Speaker 2: but he plays like a bigger back and he's got

483
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Speaker 2: exceptional quickness.

484
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Speaker 3: Doesn't back down to a challenge.

485
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Speaker 2: Not a guy who finishes runs out of bounds will

486
00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:57,440
Speaker 2: take your head on. Also a terrific pass catcher out

487
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Speaker 2: of the backfield. Again, I remained, I think Damian Martinez

488
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:04,880
Speaker 2: maybe may go later than when I.

489
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Speaker 3: Have him in the third round.

490
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Speaker 2: But I'm partially Martinez didn't carry the ball a lot

491
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Speaker 2: last year last season at Miami because, like I said,

492
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,760
Speaker 2: they had that rotational system. Go back and watch the

493
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:19,360
Speaker 2: film in twenty twenty three when he was at Oregon State,

494
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:22,600
Speaker 2: where after that season he was created as a solid

495
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Speaker 2: second day pick by scouts justifiably.

496
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Speaker 1: So you will have starting running backs picked on Day

497
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Speaker 1: three of this draft, Tony. There will be at least

498
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Speaker 1: one Day three starting running back pick, maybe more than one.

499
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Speaker 3: So yeah, and guys are just going to contribute.

500
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,160
Speaker 2: You know, Kyle Manage didn't test well, but is a

501
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,400
Speaker 2: good ball carrier. Jarques Hunter. I mean there's a guy

502
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 2: who basically give him the ball, he could score from

503
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 2: any point in the field.

504
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Speaker 4: Jayden Blyth is another guy, right, Yeah.

505
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Speaker 2: Jayden Blue of Texas, who I think is just probably

506
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 2: would have been better served going back to school and

507
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 2: developing his game. But he's got great upside and he's

508
00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:01,400
Speaker 2: outstanding the ball carry. Then later on Klelle Mellings of Michigan,

509
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Speaker 2: Ali Gordon of Oklahoma State, who's coming off a bad season,

510
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,880
Speaker 2: but you watch the film and he plays smart, tough football.

511
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Speaker 4: No, I'm with you, it's really good.

512
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Speaker 1: All right, let's jump over to the wide receiver class,

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Speaker 1: but first to remind their draft seasons brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Moody's a proud partner of the Giants, uniting the

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Speaker 1: brightest minds to turn today's risks into tomorrow's opportunities. Learn

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Speaker 1: more at Moody's dot com. All right, Tony wide receiver.

517
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Speaker 1: We both referred to this as a down wide receiver class.

518
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Speaker 1: Can I edit that for a second. I think it's

519
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Speaker 1: a down wide receiver class at the top. You know,

520
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Speaker 1: I don't think I'm a bigger tech McMillan fan than others.

521
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Speaker 1: I would have him closer to roam with Dunesay, I

522
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Speaker 1: think than other people did. To be totally honest with you,

523
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Speaker 1: but you don't have Marvin Rison Junior. You don't have

524
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Speaker 1: them E League neighbors in this draft, which to me,

525
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 1: they were head and shoulders, not heading shoulders, but they

526
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Speaker 1: were a small tier higher than a dunes A last year.

527
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Speaker 1: And then I just got a bunch of guys that

528
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Speaker 1: I'd be fine picking in the second or third rounds,

529
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Speaker 1: and I think are gonna be really good receivers. Like,

530
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Speaker 1: if you have a one A receiver on your roster

531
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Speaker 1: already and you're looking for a number two, this is

532
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Speaker 1: the draft for you. You can find those guys all

533
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Speaker 1: day on day two, so why don't you go through

534
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Speaker 1: your list?

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00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:10,920
Speaker 2: Well, I still have Travis Hunter as a receiver. Maybe

536
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 2: he's a cornerback, but he's on my receiver this list.

537
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 2: Then I have Ted McMillan. I agree with you about McMillan,

538
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 2: but we'll talk about him. Luther Burden of Missouri's number three.

539
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 2: Matthew Golden of Texas. I am not as high on

540
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,959
Speaker 2: as others as Golden, but people absolutely love him.

541
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Speaker 3: They raved a bottom at the Texas Prode.

542
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:34,119
Speaker 2: Mecca Abuca of Ohio State ran faster than expected the

543
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 2: Ohio State Prode. You know he come, he delivers when

544
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Speaker 2: it's necessary, but it's never really established himself as a

545
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 2: number one receiver. Elick a Manor. Now we're getting to

546
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Speaker 2: the definite second rounders of Stanford is what is my

547
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 2: number six? A Dante Thornton of Tennessee, who I absolutely love.

548
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 2: I think the upside on Thornton is over the moon.

549
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Speaker 4: I have watched him yet I'm looking forward to it.

550
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 3: Oh, let you then you report back to us when

551
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 3: you watch him.

552
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Speaker 2: Jayden Higgins of Iowa State, He's number eight, bigger possessions

553
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 2: guy who ran faster at the combine that expected. Kyle

554
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:16,120
Speaker 2: Williams of Washington terrific route runner, polished, not big, but

555
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 2: very very well rounded. Isaiah Bond of Texas, who I

556
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 2: don't know, I mean Isaiah. I have Isaiah Bond and

557
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,160
Speaker 2: Type Felton of Maryland rated back to back. I think

558
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 2: that may change as we get closer to the draft.

559
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to go back and watch a lot

560
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Speaker 2: of watch both of those guys.

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Speaker 1: All right, I'm going to give you my top ten here, Tony,

562
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 1: and some names are different and guys are stacked differently,

563
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Speaker 1: so I think this would be a good debate here.

564
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Speaker 4: All right.

565
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Speaker 1: I got Ted mcmiwan as my top guy. I'm just

566
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Speaker 1: kind of keeping Travis Hunter off to the side, like, yeah,

567
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Speaker 1: he's up there too. I have the same type of

568
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 1: grade on you as as Matthew Golden, but I do

569
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Speaker 1: have him as my next receiver. I have like a

570
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Speaker 1: first second round grade on him, along with the Mecca Igbuka.

571
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,679
Speaker 1: Those are my next two guys. I have Luther Burdon

572
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 1: in the next group. His you know, he's had injuries

573
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Speaker 1: two years in a row, Tony, and he's a guy

574
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Speaker 1: that is very physical. I love him, you know, after

575
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Speaker 1: the catch, and I think he's actually a much better

576
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 1: contested catch player. Then people give him credit for he's

577
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 1: really good at catching the ball in coverage. But again,

578
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: that Missouri offense. It's just some of these college offenses. Man,

579
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 1: it drives me nuts, like can you run a real

580
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 1: route please? And you don't see enough of that with Burden.

581
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 1: I have Jalen Noel next out of Iowa State. I

582
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 1: think his combination of juice, he reminds me a lot

583
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Speaker 1: of Lad McConkie of speed and quickness together. And I

584
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 1: have Jayden Higgins right next to him, his teammate that

585
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 1: I have those guys literally touching, depending if you want

586
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Speaker 1: the smaller, fast guy in Noil or the tall, bigger

587
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 1: guy in Jaden Higgins. I was shocked when I saw

588
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Speaker 1: how this came out for me. I actually have Jack

589
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: Besh next, and he does have the vertical speed to separate.

590
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: But when I watched him on tape Tony, I thought

591
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Speaker 1: at the top of the route coming in and out

592
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 1: of his breaks was phenomenal. I thought he was a

593
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 1: really good route runner. He did not have a drop

594
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: the last two years. His hands are exceptional. So I

595
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: have him next as a as a really good possession receiver.

596
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: Then in the next kind of group together stacked in

597
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 1: kind of really close to each other. I have Trey

598
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: Harris out of Ole, Miss, Jalen Royals out of Utah State.

599
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: There are a lot of people really high on him.

600
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: I didn't quite see that these are kind of second

601
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 1: third round guys for me. And I have Iam in

602
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 1: Er out of Stanford ASAA bonds in that mix for me,

603
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 1: and then just a couple of guys I'll throw out.

604
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 4: There is kind of day four guys, Day three guys that.

605
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: I think could be fun. Saveon Williams at a TCU again,

606
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: can you please run a real route for me?

607
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 4: But he's great.

608
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: He's almost like Quarterall Patterson type. I've heard somebody made

609
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,679
Speaker 1: that comp and I like it. Good contested catch guy.

610
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: They don't throw him enough down the field just six

611
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: four two twenty. He's a monster. I haven't quite figured

612
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: out why Isaac Tesla wasn't more productive at Arkansas. As

613
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: you know, I watch him and I do the even

614
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 1: putting the testing aside. I thought his tape was actually

615
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: pretty good, and then I know we tested terror. I'll

616
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: still draft ted Johnson on day three, Tony, I don't care.

617
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 4: You watch him. He separates it. People have trouble covered.

618
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 2: Him well, you know, Tesla wasn't more productive because the

619
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 2: ball was going to his teammate Andrew Armstrong, who had

620
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 2: a great prode who I believe is one of the

621
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 2: most underrated overlook receivers in this draft. The one guy

622
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Speaker 2: that I have earlier that you didn't mention is DeAndre

623
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 2: Lambert Smith, the Auburn receiver by way of Penn State,

624
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:29,439
Speaker 2: tested incredibly well to combine. When you watch him on film,

625
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 2: he comes away with all the catches, the contested grab,

626
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 2: he catches the ball downfield. It just doesn't have the

627
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 2: great production. My issue with jaylenol I liked his physical skills,

628
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 2: but when I watched him on film, I saw a

629
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 2: guy who could not win out for the contested throw

630
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 2: a lot like Isaiah Bond. He's always struggling in battles,

631
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 2: which I think he needs space to work. I would

632
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 2: agree with you about Jack Besh. He's right outside my

633
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 2: top ten, only because I think the physical skills of

634
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 2: the Jaden Higgins the Dante Thornton's surpass him, and I

635
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 2: like the completeness of a polish in the game of

636
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Speaker 2: Kyle Williams of Washington State.

637
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love Kyle Williams at the senior Bowl Tony,

638
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: and I will admit I have not gotten to his

639
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: game tape yet, so I think he might break into

640
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: my top ten once I'm done with it. Because he

641
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: was phenomenal at the Senior Bowl. I thought he was

642
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: really good. What separates Golden and Agbuka for you? Because

643
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: I struggled stacking those guys. I literally had them right

644
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: next to each other. You know, Golden the four two

645
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: nine at the Combine does not show up on tape.

646
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: I'll just say that first and foremal he does not

647
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 1: look like a four to two nine player. But I

648
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: thought his route running was really good. He knows how

649
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: to separate at the top of the route, and that's

650
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: what impressed me about him.

651
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 4: I think he's just a great route runner.

652
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 2: And that's what stood out to people who are at

653
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 2: the Texas Prole, the decision makers I spoke with. If

654
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 2: you saw my tweet about Texas brought it, I said

655
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 2: Golden was well Golden, and that's what he is. I

656
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 2: think the difference is I think Golden's got much higher upside.

657
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 2: I like Abuka, but Abuka has disappointed me. In prior

658
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 2: to the twenty twenty three season, I had a first

659
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 2: round great on him, yet he didn't consistently play like

660
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 2: a first rounder. He's taking a back seat to Marvin Harrison,

661
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 2: He's taking a back seat to Jerrymia Smith. He did

662
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 2: come up big for the team and the college football playoffs,

663
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 2: but it's always with the Buka as far as I'm concerned.

664
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 2: It's always one of these things where you expect more

665
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 2: from him. I mean, Golden delivered in big spots and

666
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 2: Golden was a big play receiver at Texas, and I

667
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 2: think I think the best way for me to put

668
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 2: it is Golden has a much higher upside while Thebuka

669
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 2: is probably the safer receiver. He doesn't have as much

670
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 2: downside risk as Matthew Golden.

671
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Buka does everything well, right, He blocks, he

672
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 1: does the dirty work, and you know, he played mostly

673
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: at the Slaughterhouse day Tony. I think he's actually could

674
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: be a pretty good outside receiver in the NFL. He's

675
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 1: got the size and the speed to play outside in

676
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: my opinion, So I think that gives him some.

677
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 4: Flexibility there, which is good.

678
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: Luther Burden, how much of a project is he going

679
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: to be in the NFL level? Getting him kind of

680
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: into an NFL offense or is he always just going

681
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: to be kind of like a yack deep pass guy

682
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: and not really technician as a route runner.

683
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 3: I think he's gonna do it.

684
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 2: I think the problem with the burden is coming into

685
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 2: the season he was overrated. Remember he was graded as

686
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 2: the number one prospect by scouts who great underclassmen before

687
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty four seasons. Not the number one receiver,

688
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 2: the number one prospect, higher than Will Campbell, higher than

689
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 2: Shador Sanders, who's getting huge grades. And I don't think

690
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 2: he ever deserved that sort of that sort of building.

691
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 2: And now it's come down a little bit. A lot

692
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 2: of people think that he's not a great natural pass catcher.

693
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 2: They like Abuca better as a pass catcher, like McMillan

694
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 2: better as a pass catcher. But you know, I agree

695
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 2: with you about the Missouri offense's he doesn't have an

696
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 2: extended route treet. He's got to learn to run more routes.

697
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 2: He's got to learn to run his routes better. But

698
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 2: he's got decent size. He's not huge, but he's got

699
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 2: good size. He's not super fast, but he's fast enough.

700
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 2: So and he you know, he's a guy that's got

701
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 2: a great amount of upside. Let me just say one

702
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 2: thing about Ted McMillan. We talked about shad Or Sanders before.

703
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 2: Tech McMillan is a guy, and I can't get my

704
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 2: thumb on it just yet. I'm sure I will buy

705
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 2: a draft day. He's all over the place on boards.

706
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 2: I have him as a top ten pick. There were

707
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 2: some people saying they wouldn't take them to the bottom

708
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 2: half of round one. I'm hearing character issues, but no

709
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 2: one has really explained what those character issues are. Evidently,

710
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 2: he did an interview in a podcast where he said

711
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 2: he never watches tape, which is a real stupid thing.

712
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 2: You remember Donnie Mitchell last year, you know, hit the

713
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 2: press conferences at the Combine where he really tanked his

714
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 2: draft stock. I think if that's the only thing with

715
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 2: Tech McMillan, it's not an issue. But it's if that's

716
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 2: just one of many things with Tech McMillan, and I

717
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 2: have not found that out yet. Once these broad days

718
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 2: are over, I'll start to dive a little bit deeper.

719
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 2: You know, that could be an issue. I know that

720
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 2: Tech McMillan's people have said to him, you know, have

721
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 2: said that. You know there's a possibility he drops out

722
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 2: of the top ten. So Ted McMillan, I guess is

723
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 2: like the shudor Sanders at the receiver position that he's

724
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 2: all over the place on draft boards.

725
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: All right, the last receiver I want to touch on Tony.

726
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: Then we only got about ten minutes left. We still

727
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: got to do tight end an offensive line. The Stanford receiver,

728
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: I have him lower for me than you do. I

729
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: feel like he's just very rawstale. I like the physical traits,

730
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: but you know, okay, ratt Ronner just doesn't do a

731
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: whole lot. He's kind of good at everything, but not

732
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: great at anything. Why are you such a big fan of

733
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: Diamater upside?

734
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 2: I mean, he is a contested catch, you know, a

735
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 2: game controlling receiver who ran much faster at the combine

736
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 2: than he does on film. I would have never thought

737
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 2: he was going to run a four to four to

738
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 2: four of the combine, no way. So now it's just

739
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 2: a matter of coaching him to play to that speed

740
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 2: on the football field, and if you can mesh that

741
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 2: with his ability to catch the ball, because he catches

742
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 2: the ball very well. Fundamentally, he goes up and he

743
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 2: snatches the ball away from his frame You've got something

744
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 2: there a year or two down the road. Same thing

745
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 2: with Donton Heo. Dante Thorton, you can make when you

746
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,719
Speaker 2: watch him. Let me know what you think. Dante Thornton

747
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 2: catches the ball better, and he's more of a downfield threat,

748
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 2: and he's slightly bigger. To tell you the truth.

749
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 4: No, I'm with you, all right. Let's go to tight

750
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 4: ends here, Tony, you have wrong cheet here.

751
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: You have Colson Loveland still a number one for you,

752
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:22,879
Speaker 1: just ahead of Tyler Warren. I have those two guys

753
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: swapped on my board. We both have Arroyo at number three.

754
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: You have Mason Taylor at four. I have Mason Taylor

755
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: at five. I have Harold Fadden up a little bit

756
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: higher than you do. Then we both have Terrence Ferguinson

757
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: next on our list, and then you have Aronde, Gadston,

758
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: Joshua Simon. Then you have Fanning come in there at

759
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: number eight, Thomas Fedone out of Nebraska, and then Gunner

760
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: Helm out of Texas.

761
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say this right now.

762
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 2: I think the best tight ends from this class are

763
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 2: gonna come from day two of the draft. I think

764
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 2: the Arroyas, maybe the Mason Taylor's, Eurondre Gadson's the Josh

765
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 2: Simon's two or three years down the road will be

766
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 2: the best tight ends from this class.

767
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 3: I think when you.

768
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 2: Compare Loveland to Tyler Warren, Loveland is much more the

769
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 2: downfield threat. He's much more the natural receivers good. He's

770
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 2: more Brock Hours, if you will, than Tyler Warren is,

771
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 2: although he's not Rock Bowers, but he's more that type

772
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 2: of player. Tyler Warren is a great college football player.

773
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 2: He was a lot of fun to watch, lined them

774
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,919
Speaker 2: up all over the place, did everything Penn State asked

775
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 2: him to do. Doesn't mean he's a great NFL prospect.

776
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 2: I think he's a very good tight end. I just

777
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 2: don't think he's a great prospect that I would take

778
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 2: early in the draft. And people are talking about him

779
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 2: as being a top ten pick. I spoke with the

780
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,720
Speaker 2: league inside of yesterday who was at the game against

781
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 2: USC where Tyler Warren caught fourteen passes and everyone went

782
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 2: over the moon to him, and I made the observation.

783
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, but if you really watch that tape,

784
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 2: I think drewel Law was targeting Tyler Warren to his detriment.

785
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 2: There were other receivers open all over the field which

786
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 2: would have led to bigger plays, and he agreed with me.

787
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 3: Tyler Warren is a nice prospect.

788
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 2: I think the thing with Tyler Warren in this draft

789
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 2: is when you look at all of those tight ends,

790
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 2: Tyler Warren is the guy who's going to be starting

791
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 2: week one as a blocker, as a pass catcher. He's

792
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 2: going to give you the earlier returns. Whereas the Arroyors,

793
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 2: Miranda Gatson's, the Josh Simons, even Colston Loveland with the

794
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 2: shoulder injury, they are more questions as to what they're

795
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 2: going to be able to produce in twenty twenty five,

796
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 2: which is why Tyler Warren is likely to be the

797
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 2: first height end drafted, Like Teed McMillan, like schendor Sanders.

798
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 2: He's all over the place. When you talk to people,

799
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,919
Speaker 2: some people say, you know, top ten pick, Others say

800
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 2: late first round. I spoke with someone said he's the

801
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,240
Speaker 2: number four tight end on our board, and I understand

802
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 2: it because that offense, they want their tight ends to

803
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 2: get down the field consistently for a vertical passing game

804
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 2: at the position, and Tyler Warren is not that type.

805
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 4: Of prospect interesting.

806
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: How far do you think Loveland might drop because of

807
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:55,240
Speaker 1: that shoulder injury.

808
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 2: I don't think he's going to get past any of

809
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 2: the loss unless something really pops up, and I was

810
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,919
Speaker 2: told it was an ac issue, but I'm also told

811
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,399
Speaker 2: he'll be ready for camp unless their doctors look at

812
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 2: it negatively. I don't think he gets past either Los

813
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 2: Angeles teams, whether that be the Rams with the Chargers.

814
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: I love a royal Tony, I'm with you. I think

815
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: he is good of his receiving skills as anyone else

816
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: in this draft class'll the Terrence Ferguson I think is

817
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: really good as well, And I know I think Mason

818
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: Taylor is just really solid all around. Like that guy

819
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: is going to be a good I don't know if

820
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: he's ever going to be a star, but he is

821
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 1: going to be a good tight end in the league

822
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: for a very long time.

823
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:28,919
Speaker 4: And he's very young.

824
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 3: And I don't know.

825
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 2: Why Ironde Gatson doesn't get more love. We saw him

826
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 2: at the Shrine Bowl practices. He was you know, he

827
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,760
Speaker 2: was two hundred and forty forty five pounds of Shrine

828
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 2: Bowl practice. He wasn't moving around like a slow guy

829
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,760
Speaker 2: who just put on twenty pounds. He was moving around

830
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 2: at the tight end position like the receiver catching the

831
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 2: ball incredibly well. So I think as he just becomes

832
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 2: more accustomed to playing that position and hopefully improves his blocking,

833
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 2: I think Gatson is one of the most overlooked players

834
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 2: at this spot moving towards the t All right.

835
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 1: Let's do offensive line, Tony real quick, give me your ranking.

836
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: He's got about six minutes.

837
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 2: Will Campbell number one, slightly ahead of armand Membo. I mean,

838
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 2: I mean slightly, but I think Membo could be the

839
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 2: first tackle taken. Calvin Banks of Texas is three. Josh

840
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 2: Simmons of Ohio State is the number four because I

841
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 2: think he's more of a natural left tackle or the

842
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 2: most natural left tackle after Will Campbell, Tyler Booker of

843
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 2: Alabama than Josh Connery of Oregon, Gray Zabel of North

844
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 2: Dakota State, Donovan Jackson of Ohio State, Jonahs Savanea of Arizona,

845
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 2: Marcus Bow of Purdue. I still like him. A lot

846
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,879
Speaker 2: of people are down on him. Azerray of Minnesota number nine,

847
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 2: and Cameron Williams of Texas number ten.

848
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a good lroue. But I have

849
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: mine kind of separated by tackle and guards. I'll try

850
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: to do it off the top of my head. Here,

851
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 1: I got Campbell and Membo as the top two guys,

852
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:54,879
Speaker 1: very close to each other.

853
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 4: I could go either way. I have Josh Simmons as

854
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 4: my next guy. Tony.

855
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 1: I watched him my gosh, utterly dominant his one hand punch,

856
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: just keeping guys off of him. It's like a It's

857
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: like an eighteen year old playing with us, like seven

858
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: year old brother, and you're just holding him by like

859
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: the chest, and he's like waving his arms that he

860
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 1: can't get to him.

861
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 4: And that's what it looks like watching Joshiabban sometimes.

862
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: Then I got Kelvin Banks next, Josh Connerley's coming in

863
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: after that.

864
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Speaker 4: I really liked the Gray's Abel.

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Speaker 1: Donovan Jackson, Tyler Booker is kind of that top of

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Speaker 1: the second round group. I don't think Donovan Jackson can

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Speaker 1: play tackle in the pros, even though he did a

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Speaker 1: good jobit oal House State. I don't think he's got

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Speaker 1: the foot speed forward. Same for greys Abel. I think

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Speaker 1: both of them are guards. Tyler Booker again didn't test well,

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Speaker 1: but really really solid player. He's in that group for me,

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Speaker 1: and then I'm with you. I got the savon a

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Speaker 1: is the ursery I have as a straight up second rounder.

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Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be a solid starting tackle. Then

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Speaker 1: I get into the Wyatt Millums, DeMarcus Bosey, you know

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Speaker 1: those type of guys after that. So I think we're

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Speaker 1: really in line here. If i'd ask here right now,

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Speaker 1: who's getting picked first, Will Campbell or armand Membo.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with Membo.

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Speaker 2: I think you look at the Patriots at four, you

881
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Speaker 2: look at the Jaguars at five, you look at the

882
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Speaker 2: Raiders six, you look at the Jets at seven, or

883
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Speaker 2: any of those teams to take them. I mean, the

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Speaker 2: Patriots could also take Will Campbell because they need more

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Speaker 2: of a left tackle. But I just think Membo is

886
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Speaker 2: more of that Mike Vrabel type of offensive lineman, punching

887
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Speaker 2: the face, you know, step on you when you're down.

888
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Speaker 2: You know the one thing about Simmons you mentioned his arm,

889
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Speaker 2: punching everything else.

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Speaker 3: He's an athletic guy.

891
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Speaker 2: I mean, box with tremendous fundamentals, excellent knee ben wide base,

892
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Speaker 2: keeps his feet moving. It's a shame that he got

893
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Speaker 2: injured when he did or we would be talking about

894
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Speaker 2: Josh Simmons as one of the top three tackles or

895
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Speaker 2: at least a top twelve pick in this year's draft.

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Speaker 1: Tony, if he stayed healthy and he played as well

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Speaker 1: as in the first games, we won't be talking about

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Speaker 1: him as a top five pick, like he might be

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Speaker 1: the next best pick after Hunter and Carter, Like he

900
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Speaker 1: could very well easily be that next guy given.

901
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Speaker 4: His physical tools. But all of a sudden, done, Tony.

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Speaker 1: I thought, in a draft like this where you're gonna

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Speaker 1: run out of first round picks by pick the early

904
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Speaker 1: twenties in this draft, in terms of grades, that teams

905
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Speaker 1: are gonna probably pick guys that are safe, and I think,

906
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Speaker 1: especially interior offensive linemen are probably the safer guys you

907
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Speaker 1: could pick, in my opinion at least, so I would

908
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Speaker 1: not be shocked to see Booker Zabel Jackson connorly though.

909
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Speaker 1: I see him as a tackle all end up, and

910
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Speaker 1: I think we might end up getting more first round

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Speaker 1: offensive lineman than we originally thought, just because of the

912
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Speaker 1: nature of the draft class, and teams would be like, look,

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Speaker 1: I can show up my offensive line at the end

914
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Speaker 1: of the first round. Hell yeah, I'm gonna do that

915
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Speaker 1: instead of picking some second round wide receiver.

916
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Speaker 2: I would be shocked if Booker really makes it out

917
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Speaker 2: of the top twenty two picks. I mean, yeah, he

918
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Speaker 2: did not test well, but he did not time well okay,

919
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 2: and the marks weren't great. But if you watch the

920
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 2: position drills, it was night and day because in up

921
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 2: position drills at the combine is what you see on film.

922
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 2: You see a guy who can actually move his feet.

923
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Speaker 2: He's not a stiff, small area blocker, some ability to

924
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Speaker 2: block on the second level, and he's got that nastiness

925
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Speaker 2: to him. He's got that power to him. So I

926
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Speaker 2: think he's a power gap blocker that if you want

927
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Speaker 2: to use him on the second level or use him

928
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Speaker 2: emotion on occasion, he'll do the job for you.

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Speaker 1: I think what I love connorly Man. He moves so well,

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Speaker 1: his footwork is great. I think maybe he's a little

931
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Speaker 1: light in the butt, like he can maybe get a

932
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Speaker 1: little bit stronger. And that's not because that one senior

933
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Speaker 1: bower up either has nothing to do with that. You

934
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Speaker 1: just saw him, was it Abdul Carter that I think

935
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Speaker 1: on one play literally long arm him and like put

936
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Speaker 1: him right on his back.

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Speaker 4: On one play, I think and maybe the I think

938
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Speaker 4: it was Carter. I got a Carter did that one

939
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Speaker 4: of the guys I watched the last couple of days.

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Speaker 1: I think it was him. But I think Connelly can

941
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 1: get a little bit stronger. But he definitely has the

942
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Speaker 1: feet to play offensive tackle. He's going to be fine

943
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Speaker 1: out there.

944
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Speaker 2: And he's another zone blocker. He's another guy that's really

945
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 2: exceptional in motion. And in my opinion, it's easier to

946
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Speaker 2: take his own blocker and make him stronger than it

947
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 2: is to take a strong, powerful, small area alignment from

948
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Speaker 2: college and teach him to be his own blocker.

949
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Speaker 4: And that's why I have as a second rounder.

950
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Speaker 1: And Connorley is a first last second with ursery is

951
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: you're much bigger, not moving all that well right, kind

952
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 1: of grind it out power type of offensive tackle.

953
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Speaker 2: Today. He's got tremendous upside. He just needs a lot

954
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 2: more work and he needs a lot more consistency. Really,

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Speaker 2: as far as I'm concerned, has got to play to

956
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Speaker 2: his level of potential each snap.

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Speaker 1: All right, Tony, I gotta go record a big blue kickoff.

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Speaker 1: This was fun, my friend. Next week, folks, stay with us,

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Speaker 1: We'll be here on Tuesday again or Wednesday, and we

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Speaker 1: will have the top tens on defense as I try

961
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Speaker 1: to cram all these guys in on my tape watching

962
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Speaker 1: over the next seven days to catch up to Tony,

963
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,879
Speaker 1: who I keep running faster and Tony just keeps staying

964
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Speaker 1: ahead of me with his Olympic background. I know you shot,

965
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Speaker 1: I need to buy a car or something like that.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, Tony, good stuff, Ben, enjoy your week.

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Speaker 1: Anything on sports key to coming up that people should

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Speaker 1: keep their eye on.

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Speaker 2: Just the last couple of pro days, and we've got

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Speaker 2: the mock draft simulator updated. That's always a lot of fun.

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Speaker 2: And then from here it's all news and rumors through

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Speaker 2: Draft Draft weekend. Probably a couple more mock drafts as

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Speaker 2: well for.

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Speaker 4: Tony Pollone on John Smelk. That's Draft season, brought to

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Speaker 4: you by Moodies. We'll see you next week. Everybody,