1 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to another episode of I Saw What 2 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:14,319 Speaker 1: You Did. 3 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 2: My name is Millie to Jericho. 4 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 3: I'm Daniel Henderson and we're talking about film again with you. 5 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 2: Danielle. Hey, what's up? 6 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 3: Hey? As you can see, I have a new house 7 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 3: cardigan and I treated myself too for the holidays. It 8 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 3: has a shawl collar. And my previous cart house cardigan 9 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 3: is now my sleep cardigan because it's so cold that 10 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 3: now I need to add a cardigan to the pajama mix. 11 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 2: Can I ask you a very quick question? Yeah? Is 12 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 2: it a cardigan or a duster? 13 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 3: This is a car, but they're both cardigans. I can't 14 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 3: do the length, gotcha, okay, because I can't be all 15 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 3: wrapped up in a duster at night. Yes, sweat into 16 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 3: the my sheets. 17 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, but your your new cardigan, your new house cardigan 18 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: looks great. It looks very right now. Just looking at it, 19 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: it looks very almost Robin Williams in the movie We're gonna. 20 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 2: Talk about today. 21 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 3: Maybe that was my inspo because it's and they're both 22 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 3: both of my My house and sleep cardigan are from Target. 23 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 3: I don't get crazy with it, sure, but they're very 24 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:26,479 Speaker 3: soft and very warm. Yeah, and I do feel academic 25 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 3: when I'm walking around my house playing with my new cats. 26 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: Oh, I actually knew you had new cats. 27 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 2: But tell the folks about your new cats. 28 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:39,759 Speaker 3: Yes, if even if you follow me on Instagram, then 29 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 3: you know that I have adopted two cats. They came 30 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 3: to me through a local friend who found them under 31 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 3: his house, and I was like, well, I'm looking for 32 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 3: new cats because I don't think I've talked about this, 33 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 3: But for a couple of months in the fall, I 34 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 3: was trying to wrangle some cats. There's a far nearby 35 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 3: and I drive by it frequently, and so I was 36 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 3: driving by one day and I saw four orange kittens 37 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 3: playing outside. So I slammed on the brakes, and of course, 38 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 3: because I live in Stars Hollow, there was a woman 39 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:17,080 Speaker 3: brushing a horse across the street in the field. So 40 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 3: I was like, hey, I know, gather yourself. Can't just 41 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 3: let that sink in for a minute. But I was like, hey, 42 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 3: what's going on with these cats? She said, if you 43 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 3: can catch them, you can keep them. So for about 44 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 3: two weeks, I went every day with my cat carrier 45 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 3: trying to catch these kittens. And I'm like, whether I 46 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 3: catch one or four, whether it's a Pokemon situation. I 47 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 3: got to catch them all or I just grab one. 48 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 3: I was like, I'm ready for another cat. Yeah, Carrot 49 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:46,839 Speaker 3: is ten. He's a very distinguished gentleman, and he's very 50 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 3: comfortable in this house. But my house has a lot 51 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 3: of room and a lot of love for pets in 52 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 3: this house, So that did not work. I was there 53 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,359 Speaker 3: almost every day for two weeks, and I think even 54 00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 3: though they knew what I was doing, they were pretty 55 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 3: much ready to call the cops on me, like, oh 56 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 3: my god, this black lady is back again, just rolling 57 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 3: around our barn trying to catch these fucking cats. Because 58 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 3: I don't think the horse lady told everyone else that 59 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 3: worked there about me, So every time her yeah, so 60 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:17,679 Speaker 3: I pull up, and if she wasn't there, it was 61 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 3: always just some dude like what you're doing? And I 62 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 3: was like, ooh, I'm trying to steal these cats? Is 63 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 3: that okay? I was told it was okay. So godspeed 64 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 3: to those cats. Maybe they'll just be happy living on 65 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 3: a farm and living at. 66 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 2: A barn reenacting midsummer in the field. 67 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely so they are hopefully okay. But now I 68 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 3: have these two cats who came to me as a 69 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 3: mother and a kitten, and they're very bonded. And then 70 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 3: I took them to the vet right before Thanksgiving because 71 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 3: I thought, you know, I can't really bring them into 72 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 3: the house until they've had their vaccines. So I took 73 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 3: them to the vet and the vet was like, oh, 74 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 3: they are not related. The mother is this mama cat 75 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 3: quote unquote is spade? What she stole this fucking baby? 76 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 3: This is not her baby? 77 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 2: Wow? 78 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 3: Okay, do they look alike? Like what now she's a 79 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 3: gray tabby, he's black. 80 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, that's kind of sweet. I mean, I don't know. 81 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 2: Maybe listen, maybe the baby was. 82 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: An orphan, much like Matt Damon and one of the 83 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: movies we're about to talk about today, and this cat 84 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:33,359 Speaker 1: was like, listen, let's start a little family, Let's do 85 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: a little unit. 86 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 3: That's what I in my head constructed a scenario that 87 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 3: was very similar to that, which is where two cats 88 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 3: out on these streets, let's band together and protect each other. 89 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 3: And that's what happened. And now they're living in the 90 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 3: lap of spoiled cat luxury and they are still I mean, 91 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 3: they're not feral. I can pet them, they're really sweet. 92 00:04:56,520 --> 00:05:00,080 Speaker 3: They're still a little timid, but they're not feral at all, 93 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 3: and they're super healthy. They don't have leukemia FIV. Like 94 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 3: I did all the blood tests, they did all the stuff. 95 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 3: They did have worms, but now they don't. Worms cleared 96 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 3: up pretty quickly, so they're super healthy. Their teeth are healthy, healthy, 97 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 3: Like the vet loves them and it's just like, oh, 98 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 3: they're going to be so great and so loving. 99 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 2: So yeah. 100 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 3: So now I'm just I'm at the point where I 101 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 3: needed to get them adjusted to the house first and 102 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 3: to me, and now I'm trying to introduce them to Carrot. 103 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 3: So we're doing a lot of yeah because Carrot, let 104 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 3: me tell you, deeply uninterested and what's going on in 105 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 3: that room because I have them in their own room 106 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 3: right now. 107 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 2: Upstairs, they're in the loft room. Okay, so they Misty 108 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 2: recording studio exactly. 109 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 3: Exactly, so they have they have plenty of space to 110 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 3: cut their album to really like live in it the 111 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 3: way the Red Hot Chili Peppers did when they were 112 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 3: making Blood Sugar, Sex Magic. 113 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: Or like that movie Frank that you brought to the 114 00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: podcast where they all like live together and make experts 115 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: feral music. 116 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, they're living like a frank and so I'm doing 117 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 3: scent introduction and I've never done this before. 118 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 2: Ps. 119 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 3: I have the only cats I've ever had in my 120 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 3: that I've ever had have been adopted from shelters. So 121 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 3: they were either already fostered and totally tame and like 122 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 3: ready to meet gen pop or they just were naturally 123 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 3: friendly cats. So I've never had to introduce cats before. 124 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 3: And they they are bonded. But I'm like, I hope 125 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 3: they're also not a fucking gang. Oh I don't need 126 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 3: them ganging up on my boy, because Karen is a 127 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 3: soft bitch. He is a soft prince in this house. 128 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 2: He's a guy. 129 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 3: I have a mid century modern shipbox. Every room is 130 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 3: my room. When I redid the guest room, he instantly 131 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 3: claimed the bed. He's like, oh, thanks for this room. Also, 132 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 3: I don't have enough soft places to land in this house. 133 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 3: He has his own recliner. 134 00:06:55,560 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 1: He's like, he's he's like Olivia Cole in that movie 135 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:02,359 Speaker 1: where she got gut. 136 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 2: What's it called the Favorite? The Favorite? 137 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's just like sitting on top of his little 138 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: puff and is like. 139 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 2: Gorgeous gow getting gout. 140 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 3: He's so checking it, slamming treats and puking. He is 141 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 3: Olivia Coleman in the favorite Oh Shit. So I'm really like, 142 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 3: I'm trying, and i'd just starting the process, but we're 143 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 3: doing scent introduction first. So I have like towels and 144 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 3: things that, you know, I'm kind of like their towel, 145 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 3: I'm putting in on a Carrot spaces so he can 146 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 3: sniff them out, same thing, vice versa. But I'm gonna 147 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 3: open the doors and let him hang out at least 148 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 3: upstairs in like my bedroom area. 149 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna. 150 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 3: Open the doors and start letting them work it out. 151 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: What's what's worst case scenario that they just, like, you know, 152 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: have this huge fight and then they have to like 153 00:07:57,800 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: live separately, in separate you have. 154 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 2: Thel that by the way, I have the room for it, 155 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 2: but I don't want it. 156 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 3: I want these cats to be like snuggling and like 157 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 3: hanging out with me and running around. I want them 158 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 3: to be like Carrot, you know, he kind of keeps 159 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 3: himself during the day, but he always finds me and 160 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:15,679 Speaker 3: I'll like snuggle up and hang out, and he always 161 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 3: sleeps on my bed at night. Yeah, And so I 162 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 3: want these cats to have that kind of freedom. But 163 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 3: the yeah, worst case scenario is they have a fucking 164 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 3: brawl constantly. They do not get along ever, and I 165 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 3: can never leave them alone and being in the same space, 166 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 3: like I will have to put like the cats in 167 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 3: separate rooms, and that is a nightmare scenario for me. 168 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, listen, I really hope it doesn't come to 169 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 1: that at all. I think actually it's going to be great, 170 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: and I think so too. I think where was it 171 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: that you talked about. It was like the episode we 172 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 1: did a round of serial Killer self Care where you 173 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: talked about how owning five what. 174 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 2: Is it five cats or five animals? 175 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, being a single person who owns five pets a 176 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 3: serial killer territory. 177 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: But but then self care is is like one to 178 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 1: four or five plus. 179 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 2: I can't remember. 180 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 3: I think I said self Care was one to four 181 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 3: because once you hit that five mark and you're single, right, 182 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 3: you're now running like a crazy situation. You're living in 183 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 3: a crazy situation. 184 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: Okay, I swear I thought it was like bracketed off 185 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 1: very specifically where it was like, but then if you 186 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: have like fifteen cats, it's okay too, like. 187 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 3: Bad, I'll have to go back and listen. But also 188 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 3: if you remember, definitely write us in. But I believe 189 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 3: because I did consider that. When I was considering adopting 190 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 3: these pets. Yeah, I was like, mmmm, am I going 191 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 3: to be a serial killer? No, I don't think so that. 192 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 3: I think I think it was a clear five cutoff. 193 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fine. 194 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: My dad had four cats at one point, and you know, 195 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: I don't know it's it wasn't that unmanageable. I'm actually 196 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: thinking about getting I think I want another dog too. 197 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: I gotta be honest, And I've been thinking about it 198 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: for a while. 199 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 2: I don't know. Once you do it, it feels like cool. 200 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 2: I think the ramp up. 201 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: You're just like, oh my god, am I really gonna 202 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: have like more than one? 203 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 3: Well? Then I was also thinking about my life and 204 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 3: how you know, I've take I've been doing some job 205 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 3: interviews and I'll probably start working on something soon. And 206 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 3: I'm like, Oh, if I have to go to La, 207 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 3: do I have to take three cats with me to LA? 208 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:32,079 Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to like have a friend, hint, hint, 209 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 3: come up and like take these cats with me to LA. 210 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 3: If that's the case, or do I have to I mean, 211 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 3: I'll probably have to have someone live in my house anyway. 212 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 3: If I take a job that takes me out of 213 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 3: New York, so maybe I just leave them all here. 214 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 3: And I'm like, good luck. It's a fucking royal rumble 215 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 3: every day. So yeah, it's a lot to think about 216 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 3: fitting the pets into your life. So I think that's 217 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:00,319 Speaker 3: and I think that's just responsible pet ownership is like 218 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 3: how do they fit into your life? Because when I 219 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 3: got Carrot, the woman was asking me so many questions 220 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 3: when I adopted Carrot, and she's like, what if you 221 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 3: moved And I'm like, well, he'll come with me. 222 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 2: She's like, what if you moved to a farm. 223 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 3: And this is when I was living in Harlem, and 224 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 3: I was like, I'm not moving to a fucking farm. Yeah, 225 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 3: joke's on me. And I'm like, well, he'll still be 226 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 3: an indoor cat. And she was like reading me the 227 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 3: Riot Act, like you can't. You have to be responsible. 228 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 3: I'm like I know, I know. And she's like what 229 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 3: about the food? And I'm like he will eat every day, 230 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 3: probably more than he wants or needs, but they really 231 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 3: check with you, and so I really had to check 232 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 3: myself and say all right, like three cats, it seems 233 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 3: like it's not that big of a change, but it is. 234 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:39,439 Speaker 3: It's a change, and I just wanted to make sure 235 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 3: that I was ready for them, which is why I 236 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 3: waited until they I could get them vaccinated, because that's 237 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 3: also responsible a pet ownership. I know a few people 238 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:50,839 Speaker 3: who you know, have never taken their pets to the 239 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 3: vet and never gotten their cat spade, never gotten like 240 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 3: anything like any vaccines or anything. 241 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh, I mean, get me started. 242 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 3: I just I feel And again, it's judge as fuck 243 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 3: for me to say that, because there are lots of 244 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 3: situations that happen where people can't do that. But I 245 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 3: personally think it's for me a marker responsible pet ownership 246 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 3: that you are caring for them in every way and 247 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 3: that includes annual checkups and driving their poop to the vet. 248 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:20,839 Speaker 3: I had to drive their poop to the vet like 249 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:23,439 Speaker 3: three times. Judge it how you want, Gauge it how 250 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 3: you want. There are a lot of people who take 251 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 3: the same like no vaccine in humans energy to pets, 252 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 3: and I'm like, hmm, I'm not the one, but all right, 253 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:34,559 Speaker 3: and do not even get me fucking started on having 254 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 3: your pet af leash outside. I don't think that's care. 255 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 2: Either. 256 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 3: I don't care how well trained your fucking dog is. 257 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 3: You have no idea what's coming when you're outside with 258 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 3: your fucking dog. It could be a bigger, more vicious 259 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 3: dog who's not as well trained. It could be literally anything. 260 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 3: And I used to see that in La and Seattle 261 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 3: all the fucking time, and people like, it's just my dog, 262 00:12:58,480 --> 00:12:59,959 Speaker 3: he's fine, And I'm like, yeah, but you don't know 263 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 3: who is coming down the street with a dog that 264 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 3: isn't fine, or a squirrel is gonna set your dog 265 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 3: running off into the fucking road or something like that. 266 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 3: Shit drives me god damn crazy. 267 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 268 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know there's also people that don't spay 269 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: a nood of their animals either, which is like, I mean, 270 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,679 Speaker 1: I don't know unless you're like a breeder, why. 271 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 2: Why why do you want that smoke? Why do you 272 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 2: want that smoke? 273 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: That's a guy that's eight babies, dude, so many babies. 274 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: And I did. 275 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:30,679 Speaker 2: And the thing is like, I also like. 276 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 3: I talked to my vet regularly, So I talked to 277 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 3: my vet before I even got the cats into my 278 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 3: home and get my vet. You a country vet is 279 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 3: the goddamn best, the goddamn best love it. And I 280 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:44,559 Speaker 3: called and I'm like, hey, can I just, like, you know, 281 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 3: pay for an hour of your time to just discuss 282 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 3: bringing these cats in and what they might need and 283 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:51,679 Speaker 3: what if they have FIV and what if they have leukemia, 284 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 3: like what's the treatment plan? Because I didn't know, I 285 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:55,319 Speaker 3: had no idea. And he's like, you don't have to 286 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 3: pay me, just come on in and chat, and so 287 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 3: I did, and I was like, you know what, what's 288 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 3: the best way to care for them? It's necessary. I've 289 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 3: never done this before. Every cat I've ever had has 290 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 3: already been spade or neutered, has already gotten their shots, 291 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 3: like came cared for from the adoption place. And he's like, no, no, no, 292 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 3: He's like, you know a lot of people waive her 293 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 3: on this shit. But it's a good idea to get 294 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 3: all these tests, and you know, we'll do it, and 295 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 3: we'll do it in boosters so you don't have to 296 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 3: overwhelm them with vaccines. But yes, they should have them. 297 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 3: And he even for the first time, I used gabapentin, 298 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 3: which I might take my goddamn self. It's like Kitty's annex. 299 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, And I'm like, oh, should 300 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 3: I be giving this to them? And he's like no, 301 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 3: because basically I took them in. Mama did fine when 302 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 3: I have to stop calling her mama because she's just 303 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 3: the fucking thief, but she did fine, and she was 304 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 3: able to get her vaccines. But the kitten was like 305 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 3: noticeably more shaky. So he was like, Oh, I'm not 306 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 3: going to put him through this today. Just take take 307 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 3: the gabapentin with you, give it to him, come back 308 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 3: next week. Like give it to him a couple hours 309 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 3: before the appointment, and I was like, I have never 310 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 3: done that. What does it do? And he's like, it 311 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 3: just kind of relaxes them. It doesn't knock them out, 312 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 3: It doesn't you know, make their eyes roll back in 313 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 3: their head or anything, but it'll just relax him. And 314 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 3: I was like, oh, okay, So I tried it and 315 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 3: it totally fucking worked. Like this is a cat that 316 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 3: I was previously only able to like pet on his 317 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 3: little face and I was like cradling him and I 318 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 3: was clipping his nails and brushing him and he was 319 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 3: just super super chill. Yeah, And I'm like, I'm gonna 320 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 3: start giving the shit to Carrot just to brush him 321 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 3: because he acts like I'm fucking trying to kill him 322 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 3: every time I put a brush near his goddamn body. 323 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 3: There's there, he's like. And we talked about it. He's like, yeah, 324 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 3: it doesn't make sense for you to traumatize a pet 325 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 3: by making them feel so skittish and jumpy and scared. 326 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 3: It's easier in this instance to just give them the pill. 327 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 3: And you know, we talked about if I have to 328 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 3: travel with them, and he's like, yeah, this is that 329 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 3: kind of situation where like this will help them relax 330 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 3: in instances where you need it, Like you shouldn't be 331 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 3: giving them a drip a gaba pent and drip every day, 332 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 3: but you know, it's good situationally. And I was like, yes, yes, 333 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 3: I have. I have tried zan X for that very 334 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 3: reason for myself, you know, not something I carried on 335 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 3: with for a long time, but there was a time 336 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 3: in my depressed life where an anxious life where. 337 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 2: Pop and his annex really helped me chill. Yeah, I 338 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 2: used to take. 339 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: There was a period of time. It's so weird. There 340 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: was a period of time where I was afraid of 341 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: flying and it wasn't like it was only like a 342 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: couple of years. It was weird. It was like all 343 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: throughout my twenties or before even before then. You know, 344 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: I've been on planes a lot. It was totally fine, 345 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: totally fine. Then I want to say, I don't know, 346 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 1: maybe like fifteen twenty years ago, I was on a 347 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: flight back from LA Actually that was so chaotic, like 348 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: it was very turbulent. There was but the plane itself, 349 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: like the people within it while it was happening, We're 350 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: like extra keet up. 351 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 2: There was like people pukein. I think an animal actually 352 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 2: did get loose on that flight. So it was just 353 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 2: kind of like a mess. 354 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 1: That flight was a mess, and for some reason, I 355 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:14,399 Speaker 1: don't know, I was like scared to fly for a 356 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: couple of years after that flight. Yeah, I guess I 357 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:19,159 Speaker 1: just had a bad experience. So yeah, I used to 358 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: pop a zanny the nanny and then just sleep my 359 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:24,919 Speaker 1: way through the and I would do it before I 360 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:26,439 Speaker 1: got to the airport. I'd be like, fuck it, if 361 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: we're going to take one, take one for the end 362 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:30,199 Speaker 1: to end process, Like I'm not. 363 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 2: I hate getting in a cab. 364 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:34,679 Speaker 1: And going to the airport too, So let's just do 365 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:37,640 Speaker 1: the whole thing. Let's just black out for the whole thing. 366 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 3: My only issue with that is what if you have 367 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 3: a delay, do you have to bring extras annex? And 368 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:44,360 Speaker 3: then you're like, I'm still gonna be all right? 369 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 1: Well, I was like, as load, I don't know what 370 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: is this pill? Like eight hours? What's the effectiveness? Maybe 371 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: as long as I could like be done within an 372 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: eight hour period and I'm okay. Also, at one point 373 00:17:56,640 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: I switched from Xanax to Valium. Oh damn, And it's 374 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: I don't know if you're an expert. I'm not an 375 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:08,199 Speaker 1: expert on these types of things, but I felt like 376 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 1: it's kind of like a difference between a light switch 377 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 1: and a dimmer. 378 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 2: Oh do you know what I'm saying? 379 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Like Valium is the switch, the XANX is 380 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: a switch, and the value you know, because I was like, 381 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,919 Speaker 1: it felt Valium felt like a very easy glad into 382 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: the happy place where XANX was like guess what, bitch, 383 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: Like you're chilled right. 384 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:39,719 Speaker 2: Now, guess what? Calmed down immediately? 385 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:43,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, but then you know what, after a while, like 386 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:45,159 Speaker 1: over some time, I was like, you know what, I 387 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: could rod dog this again, like let's try let's try 388 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: it raw, and then now it's fine. Now, I'm fine. 389 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: I mean I went to Europe by myself. Like it's 390 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: like I'm totally chill. So yeah, it's weird. I mean 391 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:02,199 Speaker 1: like sometimes I flirt with the idea you don't have 392 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:03,880 Speaker 1: to get these like MRIs and stuff a lot. 393 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 2: I know people take that stuff. 394 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:09,119 Speaker 1: For you know, medical procedures, and I was like, I 395 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 1: raw dog those and I'm like, what if I was 396 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: on a vallium for this, they would be like, you know, 397 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: like a laser light show. If I took a zanny 398 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 1: and went in. I don't know those pills work. It's 399 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:27,120 Speaker 1: all I'm saying. I guess that's my my. I guess 400 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: that's my uh. And for cats especially, god, tiny brains 401 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: are probably blown away by the chill. 402 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 2: Tiny brains. 403 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 3: Catnip already sends them to a special place. Yeah, Like 404 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 3: they can get rocked just on catnip, so. 405 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 2: I don't need to get kill day. The drip is crazy. 406 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 2: That's a banderpump ruleship a drip. 407 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 3: Do you remember or what I had to give carrot 408 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 3: a hydration ivy? Oh yeah, oh I remember that in 409 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 3: La Yeah, And I was like, this is the only 410 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 3: in fucking La. 411 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 2: Well, the vet even recommend, Oh, your. 412 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 3: Cat's a little dehydrated, let's do a goddamn like stick 413 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 3: and poke. 414 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. 415 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 3: Like I was like, look at I was looking at 416 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 3: him on my couch with a goddamn ivy bag, and 417 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 3: I'm like, can I not just. 418 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:30,919 Speaker 2: Make him drink more water? She's like, clearly not. And 419 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 2: I was like, fucking hell right toat that. 420 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 1: You had a house call with somebody that came with 421 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 1: a bag to give to your cat, maybe gave him 422 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: some reiki and other things. 423 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 2: That's some la stuff for sure. 424 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 3: I swear to god. Lisa Rinna did the same thing 425 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 3: with her daughters on Real Housewives. 426 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 2: Of Beverly Hills. Oh my god. Really, She's like. 427 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 3: We're feeling sick, We'll get an ivy bag of vitamins 428 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 3: and fluids. 429 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 2: Oh that's a huge thing. Yeah. 430 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 3: I am way too afraid of needles to just casual 431 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 3: not drink water. And Papa fucking Flintstone's multi no I. 432 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:07,880 Speaker 2: And I'm I'm the person. 433 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: I I have a hard They have a hard time 434 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: finding veins on me and so and I just got 435 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 1: a CC scan the other day. 436 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 2: They always have to go on the top of my 437 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 2: hand YEP I put it in the drip. 438 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 3: Oh it hurts so bad, so fucking bad. 439 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 1: And uh, I mean I'm pressing it now and I 440 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: feel it. I still feel the stick. There's like, see 441 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: this little hole that's where they put the damn contrast. 442 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,680 Speaker 1: So I'm like, why would I do that after a 443 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 1: night of partying, just be like coming stick this thing 444 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:39,919 Speaker 1: in my the top of my head. Were hurts so 445 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: fucking bad. Just so I don't know, I continue to 446 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: make poor choices. 447 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 2: I don't know. 448 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 3: No, I'm just gonna chug gatorade like a goddamn freak. 449 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, man, get that. 450 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 3: Pedia like going speaking of goddamn freak chucking gatorade. 451 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 2: My god, are you doing a sick way? I'm trying 452 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,919 Speaker 2: even though it's bad. It's bad, it's so bad, but 453 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 2: I love when they're bad. 454 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 3: By the way, holy shit, this week, this is your creation, 455 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 3: I will say, and I will explain. I will explain 456 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 3: because our theme this week is Ricky. I swear a 457 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 3: fucking god, it's a movie set in bost I'm glad 458 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 3: that you did that in an accent. 459 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,679 Speaker 2: By the way, everyone just made grief for my bad 460 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 2: accents on this podcast, and now you got bad that 461 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 2: that was a bad bosson accent. That's not bad. I 462 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 2: don't that's great to me. But I'm saying, if you're 463 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 2: listening from Boston, you're like. 464 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 1: Kill these women. They always misrepresent with the accents. 465 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 3: Ricky, I swe had a fucking god like. You don't 466 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 3: have to go over the top with it with the 467 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 3: cocking habit. Yeah, you don't have to be that person. 468 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:00,400 Speaker 3: You can just kind of you know, I think that 469 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 3: conveys the Boston miss. 470 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:07,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, so tell me why this? Have you I've never 471 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: been to Boston, have you? 472 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 2: Obviously? 473 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, I went to school for when I graduated 474 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:17,199 Speaker 3: high school and went to college for a year, I 475 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 3: was in Newton, Massachusetts, which is on the Green Line. 476 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 2: Oh and not far away. 477 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 3: It's like a suburb of Boston. 478 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,239 Speaker 2: Oh I didn't know that. 479 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, So I was in Boston a lot. 480 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 2: I was at. 481 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 3: Fenway, I was partying at the fucking rath scler and 482 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 3: the Middle East. And it was a mess. Yeah, it 483 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 3: was a mess. I mean, the experience, my first experience 484 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 3: with college was a mess. Boston is a delightful place, 485 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 3: extraordinarily racist in so many pockets that I couldn't keep 486 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 3: track of I was safe or not wow. But also 487 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 3: some of the smartest people in the world are working 488 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:54,880 Speaker 3: and living there and. 489 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 2: Going to school there. 490 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 3: There's actually a good documentary on HBO right now called 491 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 3: Murder and Boston that explains Boston's history with race and 492 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 3: racism and how that is starting to change and who's 493 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 3: involved in that change. It's a very complicated, weird little place. 494 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 3: It's fucking freezing, it's like Arctic cold in the winter, okay, 495 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 3: but it's also again, it's a delightful little weird place 496 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 3: where it's just kind of no rules, but then a 497 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 3: lot of rules in some spots. It's a rigid there's 498 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 3: a rigid, pilgrimmatic whiteness that uses the place that is 499 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 3: a foundation of the place. But then it also benefits 500 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 3: from having just a ton of incredibly smart, diverse, interesting people. 501 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 3: I kind of love Boston. I'm just gonna I know 502 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 3: that what I've said might make it sound like I don't. 503 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 3: I kind of love Boston, but I have never been 504 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:54,160 Speaker 3: able to figure it out. 505 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 1: I'll just say that, yeah, And like, to me, it 506 00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 1: feels like one of those cities in America that is 507 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 1: very that seems well, it seems sort of more specifically 508 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 1: cultural than other cities. Right, Like, so to me, when 509 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 1: I think of Boston, I think of Irish Catholics or something, 510 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: you know. But also it feels I mean, I feel 511 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 1: like New Orleans is that way too. There's a very 512 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: kind of cultural component to New Orleans. But it's funny 513 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 1: because I've never been. I've never had a reason to 514 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:28,880 Speaker 1: go for like work or anything. I kind of forget 515 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,159 Speaker 1: to go, Like I forget that it's like a destination 516 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 1: to go to, to be honest, But it's fascinating because 517 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 1: of so much of like there's so much like history 518 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 1: culture and then also there's this like tradition of Boston movies. Yes, 519 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: that are fascinating to me, and like the type of 520 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,399 Speaker 1: you know, that type of like stereotypical Boston person I 521 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:53,639 Speaker 1: think is also fascinating to me. 522 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,400 Speaker 2: It's just so out of my purview. 523 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 1: So I think it's part of the reason why I 524 00:25:57,920 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 1: was like really excited to do this theme this week, 525 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 1: because I was like, yes, let's let's tackle. 526 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 2: This Boston thing. Finally, let's get into it. 527 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 3: And at Boston has a number of incredible bookstores and 528 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 3: movie theaters. I think we also have a pretty big 529 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 3: listen listenership in Boston. I think, so we should probably 530 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 3: do a live show. We should go and do a 531 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 3: live show and you can check it out. I'm not 532 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 3: going to take you to Southee. I'm not taking you 533 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 3: to South Boston. I've been a handful of times. Three 534 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 3: of those times were totally cool. Two of those times 535 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:27,919 Speaker 3: I felt like I was gonna get raped and murdered. 536 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, so what is this? Is it like South Side 537 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: of Chicago type? But what is the what is the 538 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 1: Southee thing? Explained to me? 539 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 3: So South Boston, and I genuinely done my research here. 540 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,879 Speaker 3: So if I'm wrong on anything, I apologize. I know 541 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:43,400 Speaker 3: you'll correct me. I don't even have to ask people 542 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 3: to correct me, because our listeners are smart and they will. 543 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 3: But when what I learned and what I experienced, South 544 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 3: Boston is traditionally a predominantly Catholic, Irish working class neighborhood, okay, 545 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 3: and it's notably tough, like criminals like Whitey were operating there. 546 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 2: When I was doing research, I looked. 547 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,160 Speaker 3: I just kind of looked up recent news and here 548 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 3: are two headlines that I think sum up South Boston 549 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 3: pretty well. Recent headline or headlines from the last you know, 550 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 3: month or so one a man tried to take a 551 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 3: video over rat and then it ran up his leg. 552 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 553 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 3: And the other headline was a fourteen year old bought 554 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 3: a lot loaded gun to school, which could be anywhere 555 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 3: in America at this point. 556 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 2: True. Wow, Yeah, and it is. 557 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 3: It's always portrayed in the movies, is like unbelievably tough 558 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,880 Speaker 3: and drug infused and crime infused, but it's also very 559 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 3: people are very protective of each other, and it's very 560 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 3: like family and community oriented. And I'm thinking of movies 561 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 3: like The Fighter and like, you know, The Town, And 562 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,159 Speaker 3: that's kind of where I got the idea for this, 563 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 3: because for a while The Town, which is a movie 564 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 3: directed by Ben Affleck, made its way into my bleak rotation, 565 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 3: like with Chernobyl and Doctor Sleep and some of the 566 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 3: other things that I was just watching constantly. The Town 567 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 3: is a really good movie. Okay, I was just watching 568 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 3: it a lot, like for a few months. I just 569 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 3: kind of watched it all the time, or it would 570 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 3: come up ever at least once a month, twice a month, 571 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 3: and I'm just kind of fascinated by it. And I'm 572 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,639 Speaker 3: also fascinated this is really the crux of We're going 573 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,439 Speaker 3: to start twenty twenty four out with you Learn and 574 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 3: some new shit about me. I am weirdly fascinated with 575 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:30,239 Speaker 3: Ben Affleck, and not in a horny way. He is 576 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:36,919 Speaker 3: the most miserable successful person I have ever seen. It 577 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 3: is fucking fascinating to me. This is he is so 578 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 3: wildly successful and so talented. He's a very talented director, 579 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 3: one hundred percent, and I think he's a good actor 580 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 3: as well. But every time you see a picture of him, 581 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 3: he looks fucking miserable. He's had an interesting romantic life. 582 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 3: He's dated some of the hottest women on the planet. 583 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,479 Speaker 3: And he picks up his kids from school and he's like, 584 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 3: got a fucking carton of Marlborough Menthols, and he looks 585 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 3: like he's about to just like yell at a soccer coach. 586 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 3: And I'm like, dude, what is wrong? 587 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 2: Like, what is wrong, Ben Affleck? What is wrong? 588 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna float to theory please. I feel like he 589 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 1: cursed himself by playing oh Ben and the asshole in 590 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 1: dayson Confused so early in his career. Oh really, I 591 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 1: think America after that film. I think America knew he 592 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 1: had mean guy face, and they've treated him as such, 593 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 1: and he played an asshole in mal Rats. 594 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 2: He played like two. 595 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 1: Huge assholes very early in his career canonicals Yeah, assholes totally. 596 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 2: Yes. 597 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 1: So I feel like once you do that, unfortunately, people 598 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 1: are going to think that you're just an asshole all 599 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 1: the time. 600 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 2: You know. Interesting. Yeah, that's how That's how I feel. 601 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 1: And maybe that's because that's how I feel personally, literally 602 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 1: like I feel that way about him. 603 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 3: Where see, I don't think he's an asshole. I think 604 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,719 Speaker 3: he's sad. I think he's depressed. 605 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 1: Yes, maybe we are both projecting our own feelings onto 606 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 1: this poor manly possible. 607 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 2: He doesn't deserve it. 608 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 3: He doesn't deserve it, deserve this introspective thought process. 609 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 2: Sure, I will say that I have. I don't think 610 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 2: i've seen your movie since it came out. 611 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 1: I barely remembered it. I mean, I think the only 612 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: things I remembered was like Robin Williams and. 613 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 2: I don't know some guys in some my track jackets. 614 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 2: I don't know. 615 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: Like, I couldn't remember pretty much anything about your movie, 616 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 1: but it did help me, I think. I think when 617 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 1: I watched it again, I was like, oh, man of 618 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: flick is okay? In this movie, he's prett great, Like 619 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 1: he seems like an okay guy. So that's the thing 620 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: is that I was like, oh yeah, for so long, 621 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know about him. He he 622 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: always plays a lot of assholes. I'm always gonna be 623 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 1: thinking about him, you know, beating up those little kids 624 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 1: in Days to Confuse. 625 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 2: It was just a role. It was just a role, 626 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 2: I know. 627 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 1: But that's my introduction to him. I didn't know him 628 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 1: at all before I saw that. Then he plays that 629 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: mall rats guy and I'm like, Man, who the fuck 630 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 1: this guy think he is? 631 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 2: But there's Arco like, but there's also something to. 632 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:41,719 Speaker 3: Me about how hard he works to dismantle that and 633 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 3: how hard he works to like promote and support Boston 634 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 3: because fun fact, he was not born in Boston. What 635 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 3: he was born in, hang on, let me get my 636 00:31:55,040 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 3: let me get my fun Jamaica, Jamaica. He was born 637 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 3: in the Caribbean island of Saint. 638 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: John ben Affleck from Jamaica. 639 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 3: Ben Affleck ben Affleck first and foremost is a Leo 640 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 3: and he was born in California and moved to Cambridge 641 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 3: when he was three. So his brother Casey was born 642 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 3: in Massachusetts his younger brother. And his mom was this 643 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 3: Harvard educated elementary school teacher. No Harvard educated anything deserves 644 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 3: to be around elementary school children all day. So I 645 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 3: kind of just love that she made that choice where 646 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 3: she's like, yeah, I'm wicked fucking smart, but I will 647 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 3: also surround myself with children who will dena greet me 648 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 3: at every turn. Sure, and his dad was an aspiring playwright, 649 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 3: but he was also kind of like itinerant, like he 650 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 3: kind of had sporadic work and addiction issues. And his 651 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 3: dad was like homeless for a couple of years where 652 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 3: he checked himself into treatment and he lived in treatment 653 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 3: for like twelve years. When ben Affleck was like sixteen, 654 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 3: is when I think he went into treatment and he 655 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 3: became an addiction counselor, which, as you know, I've watched 656 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 3: so much intervention because I was studying, I was doing 657 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 3: research for something I was writing. Yeah, and that is 658 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 3: my favorite turnaround, when the attic becomes the addiction counselor. 659 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 3: I cheer my goddamn. 660 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 2: Face off, Yes, me too. 661 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 1: I like it when they go to Starbucks and get 662 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 1: trent to lattes and have meetings with their. 663 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 2: Meetings with their groups. 664 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 3: Trenta lot, They're like, O, look, replace the one for 665 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:36,719 Speaker 3: the other. And I think that you know, Affleck has 666 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 3: had his own struggles with addiction and issues, and I 667 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 3: think that he has this family lineage and this background 668 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 3: his brother, who I honestly am not going to talk 669 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 3: about a lot, because he's also had a lot of 670 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 3: complicated accusations thrown his way, which you should totally look up. 671 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 3: And Ben Affleck has two two women accused him of 672 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 3: inappropriate time at different points in the last past twenty years, 673 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:09,320 Speaker 3: one at Total Request Live and one at a Golden 674 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:13,839 Speaker 3: Globes party in two thousand and three and in twenty fourteen, respectively. 675 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 3: He did apologize and address his behavior with Hillary Burton, 676 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 3: the woman who accused him of inappropriate touching at TRL. 677 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 3: I don't believe that he apologized or addressed the accusation 678 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 3: made by Anna Marie Tendler in twenty fourteen at the 679 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 3: Golden Globes. But I would be remiss if I didn't 680 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,360 Speaker 3: mention these things. And I'm not co signing his behavior 681 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:39,239 Speaker 3: or excusing his behavior by talking about him in a 682 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,360 Speaker 3: positive light, or his career in a positive light, or 683 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 3: this movie at a positive light. But I do think 684 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 3: it needs to be addressed that he has said and 685 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:52,920 Speaker 3: done problematic things in the course of his career, but 686 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 3: he has this family history of this stuff, and he 687 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 3: also I think maybe those first three years that he 688 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,840 Speaker 3: did not spend in Austin has meant for the rest 689 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 3: of his natural fucking life. He has to build his 690 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,720 Speaker 3: whole life and career around proving how much he's from Boston. 691 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 2: Oh, I see, I see, and I love it. 692 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 3: I love the energy of this. He's like, I am 693 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 3: a Boston guy. And then there's always gonna be that 694 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 3: this is also a very Boston thing. There's gonna be 695 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,359 Speaker 3: that one fucking dude who's like, you weren't born here, 696 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,160 Speaker 3: You're not from here. He's like, I've lived here since 697 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 3: I was three. No, it's not good enough. New York 698 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 3: same energy. Yeah, I moved here when I was twelve 699 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 3: months old. Yeah, but the first twelve months count and 700 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 3: you were not a New Yorker. 701 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,360 Speaker 1: Well, listen, I'm in the same boat as bet Affleck. 702 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 1: Weirdly enough, I was born in California, but I left 703 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 1: when I was like six seven months old. 704 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 3: So on your own with a little bindel, you're like, 705 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:41,720 Speaker 3: fuck this place. 706 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,840 Speaker 2: I crawled from San Diego. 707 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 1: I was born in San Diego, crawled across the country 708 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 1: and landed. 709 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:50,800 Speaker 2: Well, actually, we went. 710 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 1: To my fav Like, I've moved around a lot so 711 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 1: and when I say that I'm a Southern person, it's 712 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:56,920 Speaker 1: because I've lived in the South since I. 713 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 2: Was in kindergarten. 714 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 3: Right, you don't have to play, you don't have to 715 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,360 Speaker 3: claim it with me. I think if you are raised 716 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,280 Speaker 3: in a place, then you're from that place. 717 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, what was I supposed to do? 718 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:09,520 Speaker 1: Like I was sitting around at like two and a 719 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 1: half being like, I don't feel authentically Southern or whatever 720 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:17,120 Speaker 1: like raw for me, I don't even I didn't even 721 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,480 Speaker 1: know any of that about Benfleck. To me, he seems 722 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 1: like as Boston as the fucking new kids on the block. 723 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 2: So that's yes, you know what else I know. 724 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,720 Speaker 3: But I feel like that's part and this is again 725 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,040 Speaker 3: maybe just projecting, but I feel like that's part of 726 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,399 Speaker 3: I think he genuinely loves Boston. But I also think 727 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,080 Speaker 3: that's part of the misery that has always conveyed to me, 728 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,920 Speaker 3: is that he's just like, I'm fucking legit. I'm a 729 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,719 Speaker 3: legit director, I'm a legit actor. I'm legit Boston dude, Like, 730 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 3: why won't you fucking let me claim this and have this? 731 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm weirdly digging this, uh projection. 732 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 2: If it is a projection, I. 733 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,960 Speaker 1: Kind of love this idea of of you feeling sorry 734 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 1: for Ben Affleck because he seems sad because he's not 735 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:01,920 Speaker 1: was not born in Boston. 736 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 3: I'm taking it back to the beginning, taking it back 737 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,320 Speaker 3: as far as I could fucking go with my projection 738 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:10,160 Speaker 3: onto this forman. 739 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,960 Speaker 2: But yeah, I just look at and look nobody. 740 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:18,400 Speaker 3: Nobody is happy getting their picture taken by paparazzi unless 741 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:24,279 Speaker 3: they're genuinely psychotic. Yeah, but he looks so miserable, even 742 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,400 Speaker 3: if it's not paparazzi. Like, look up videos of him 743 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:31,840 Speaker 3: supporting Jennifer, his wife Jennifer Lopez at the Grammys, and 744 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,319 Speaker 3: he looks like he would rather be putting bricks in 745 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 3: his pocket and walking into the fucking ocean. 746 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, I'm not to me. I was like, that 747 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 1: is that is real life? Is that nobody wants to 748 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:47,279 Speaker 1: be at a gala pretty much exactly unless you're like 749 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,160 Speaker 1: twenty one, right exactly. 750 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 3: I just fucking love it, though, because I think he 751 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:55,520 Speaker 3: is incredibly authentically upset to have to live the life 752 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:56,800 Speaker 3: that he has created for himself. 753 00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,440 Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, now. 754 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,560 Speaker 1: I feel bad that actually do I feel bad that 755 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,080 Speaker 1: I thought he was an asshole for so long? 756 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,760 Speaker 2: Now in light of this information that's legit. 757 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:07,080 Speaker 3: He played assholes for a while. 758 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:07,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. 759 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, and like I actually went the other direction 760 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:11,319 Speaker 1: because I was like. 761 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:12,960 Speaker 2: Well, I want to I want to know more about 762 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,319 Speaker 2: Matt Damon. Well, I never think about Matt Damon. Well 763 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:17,160 Speaker 2: let me tell you. 764 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,880 Speaker 3: Let me tell you about Matthew Paige Damon, who's a 765 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:26,719 Speaker 3: liber Matthew Page Damon p A I G. E. Which 766 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,400 Speaker 3: is a plan On is his mother's maiden name. Okay, 767 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:31,920 Speaker 3: he's a Libra. So we've got a Leo and Libra 768 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 3: energy here, which I think is why they get along 769 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,440 Speaker 3: so well and why I'll tell you that's true. 770 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:40,759 Speaker 2: Fire and air are are very good together. That's why 771 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,879 Speaker 2: we work. Do you understand? That's why you and I work? 772 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,200 Speaker 2: Because I'm in aries and your a Gemini anyway. 773 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,400 Speaker 3: So absolutely I love the energy and Matt Damon was 774 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:54,480 Speaker 3: born in Cambridge. His dad was a stockbroker, his mom 775 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,479 Speaker 3: was a teacher, so they both had moms for teacher. 776 00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:00,000 Speaker 3: They both had mothers who were teachers. His parents divorced 777 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,640 Speaker 3: when he was two and they moved into like some 778 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:07,120 Speaker 3: communal housing in Cambridge. And his brother, Kyle is a 779 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,680 Speaker 3: sculptor and artist. I have checked out his Instagram. He 780 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:15,279 Speaker 3: is married to a lovely woman. He loves cycling. The 781 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:21,640 Speaker 3: brother I went so deep on my resource this week, 782 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:22,200 Speaker 3: it's insane. 783 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:27,000 Speaker 1: I'm loving every second. Continue Ah. 784 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,880 Speaker 3: And they just kind of like, you know, live with 785 00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,319 Speaker 3: their mom and and made it work. But so they 786 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 3: both come from these backgrounds that are not entirely working class, 787 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:40,080 Speaker 3: but they lived in Cambridge and they were not upper class, 788 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,560 Speaker 3: and they were not you know, they were living with 789 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:46,920 Speaker 3: single parents. And they kind of had a very interesting 790 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,240 Speaker 3: friendship from the beginning. Like the things that they connected 791 00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,160 Speaker 3: on when they were younger, I think have sustained their 792 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:56,480 Speaker 3: friendship for decades. They together are an interesting friendship to me. 793 00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,680 Speaker 3: They're an interesting writing team. They're interesting when they act together. 794 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:02,200 Speaker 2: They have like a real. 795 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,440 Speaker 3: Shorthand of language, and they're both kind of committed to 796 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:11,400 Speaker 3: telling real stories with real people. And I'm shocked, shocked 797 00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:15,840 Speaker 3: to learn and tell you that Matt Damon went to 798 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:20,359 Speaker 3: Harvard and this movie was born out of a playwriting 799 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,120 Speaker 3: class that he was taking while he was attending Harvard. 800 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,799 Speaker 3: Because the other thing that I think happens to both 801 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,279 Speaker 3: of them is they both look like jocks, but they're 802 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:33,800 Speaker 3: actually nerds. So I think that's also part of afflex misery, 803 00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,640 Speaker 3: is he's like, I am a hot jock in the 804 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,680 Speaker 3: but I'm a nerd in the body of a hot jock. 805 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:47,040 Speaker 1: This is a very interesting complication to my my long 806 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:51,920 Speaker 1: held beliefs about jocks who are actually nerds. And you 807 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,719 Speaker 1: know how I feel about it. It's my personal kryptonite, 808 00:40:55,040 --> 00:41:02,839 Speaker 1: as like, I'm like a jock that doesn't know he's a. 809 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:08,240 Speaker 3: Jock that the not knowing is key, Oh my god, 810 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:13,400 Speaker 3: like destroyer of my worlds for forty five. 811 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:14,400 Speaker 2: Years at least. 812 00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,440 Speaker 3: And they're just like, oh, we're just these sensitive nerdy 813 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,839 Speaker 3: boys who are raised by single moms. Yeah, in the 814 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,640 Speaker 3: body of a fucking jock. So I think they took 815 00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,439 Speaker 3: people by storm. And I'll talk more about the lore 816 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,040 Speaker 3: of the movie. Yeah, but yeah, Matt Damon went to 817 00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,000 Speaker 3: Harvard and he was dating a medical student named Skyler, 818 00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:33,759 Speaker 3: who was his actual girlfriend at the time that he 819 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:34,359 Speaker 3: was writing this. 820 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, and The movie was. 821 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,400 Speaker 3: Originally going to be about like the National Security Agency 822 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,440 Speaker 3: hunting this kid down. It was going to be kind 823 00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:45,000 Speaker 3: of like born identity style. Yeah, but he as he 824 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,160 Speaker 3: developed it and talked to people and you know, they 825 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,240 Speaker 3: started to develop it, it became what it is. So, yeah, 826 00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:54,040 Speaker 3: that's a little background on your boys, well, Leo and Libra. 827 00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,520 Speaker 1: This is very interesting in terms of our theme because, 828 00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 1: as you know, when we come up with the themes, 829 00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:01,280 Speaker 1: we just think, oh, this would be funny. 830 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,160 Speaker 2: Let's just do movies that are set. 831 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:08,279 Speaker 1: In Boston talking about Boston stuff. But then all of these, 832 00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:12,560 Speaker 1: like other, these other themes come up as I'm like 833 00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,080 Speaker 1: watching the movies, So I'll try to try to remember 834 00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,799 Speaker 1: the ones that I thought of that bond both my 835 00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:19,320 Speaker 1: movie and your movie this week. 836 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,040 Speaker 2: Yes, first of all, there are there are a lot. 837 00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:23,879 Speaker 2: There are a lot. Number one. 838 00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:29,880 Speaker 1: These are both movies that started out as these like 839 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:35,080 Speaker 1: screenplays written by these like young guys trying to pretty 840 00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:39,319 Speaker 1: much break into the business like early career, you know, 841 00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:43,160 Speaker 1: like wonder Kins screenplay stories. 842 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,200 Speaker 2: Right. Two. 843 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,520 Speaker 1: In both of these movies, they are supposed to be 844 00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:54,120 Speaker 1: set in Boston and are some some is shot in Boston, 845 00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:54,839 Speaker 1: but for the most part. 846 00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,880 Speaker 2: They were filmed in Toronto. Yep okay. 847 00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:03,720 Speaker 1: Three both feature grown ass men who sleep on dirty 848 00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,600 Speaker 1: ass mattresses on the floor. 849 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:20,680 Speaker 3: Your worst nightmare and if that bed is a twin bed, 850 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:22,120 Speaker 3: I'm calling the cops. 851 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,040 Speaker 2: It might be might be. 852 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,120 Speaker 1: So those are at least three connection points between our 853 00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:29,919 Speaker 1: movies this week. 854 00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:36,040 Speaker 3: Absolutely, And there is more to Boston than Southe for sure, 855 00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,680 Speaker 3: And I think your movie kind of explores different sides 856 00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,400 Speaker 3: of Boston. But I do, I do love I just 857 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,919 Speaker 3: love this. A lot of movies about Boston are about 858 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:50,520 Speaker 3: South Boston because there's just this inherent kind of storytelling 859 00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,880 Speaker 3: that comes out of that part of the city. And 860 00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,000 Speaker 3: I also, here's how far I went in my research. 861 00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:58,080 Speaker 3: I read a trip Advisor comment because there's an article 862 00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,080 Speaker 3: on trip Advisor called what to Know before Southea about 863 00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,640 Speaker 3: Southee before you go, and I thought it was just 864 00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:07,839 Speaker 3: gonna be a list of weapons to carry. And one 865 00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:09,960 Speaker 3: of the comments was, this is one of the traditional 866 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,799 Speaker 3: old Irish neighborhoods and back in the day not a 867 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:17,920 Speaker 3: place for tourists because it is very close to the center. 868 00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:22,120 Speaker 3: Gentrification is underway and times have changed. Some hipsters now 869 00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:27,040 Speaker 3: some hipsters now fucking love it, love it. Wow. I 870 00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:28,799 Speaker 3: love the way these ones were developed. But I think 871 00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:32,120 Speaker 3: that it was important to me to learn about a 872 00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,480 Speaker 3: little bit about the history of South Boston and the 873 00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,319 Speaker 3: city itself at large. And again this is you know, 874 00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,120 Speaker 3: there's a huge connection to like the American Revolutionary War 875 00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:45,960 Speaker 3: and you know, fucking tel and tea party shit, and 876 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:51,360 Speaker 3: like there's a big historical connection for Boston with in 877 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,759 Speaker 3: terms of its place in American history. So I was 878 00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,760 Speaker 3: reading a lot about forts and George Washington this week. 879 00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:05,200 Speaker 3: But yeah, Boston is very interesting. Now your movie. I 880 00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:10,080 Speaker 3: have gone on record before on this very podcast about 881 00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,520 Speaker 3: how much I fucking hate your movie. 882 00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,040 Speaker 2: Oh wow wow, and. 883 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:19,000 Speaker 3: You made me watch it, which I was happy to do. Yeah, 884 00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,319 Speaker 3: it is not any It's not only not better than 885 00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,440 Speaker 3: I remember, it's actually worse than I remember. 886 00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:29,759 Speaker 1: Well, guess what, I've never seen it before. What the 887 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:31,240 Speaker 1: actual fuck? 888 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,200 Speaker 3: Dan, do you have any Boston movies you could have picked? 889 00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:38,120 Speaker 1: Yes, I'm saluting you. Nobody's seeing this. I'm much like 890 00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:42,280 Speaker 1: the patriots of old Boston. I'm saluting you because here's 891 00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,960 Speaker 1: the thing. You brought up this theme and I was like, 892 00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:48,640 Speaker 1: guess what might be my chance to finally watch Boondock 893 00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:57,200 Speaker 1: Saints and it's I Trojan Horse this into existence. I 894 00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:01,520 Speaker 1: the past few episodes have been completely unhinged, as everybody 895 00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:05,200 Speaker 1: like since Christmas, we've had unhinged episodes because we keep 896 00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:09,359 Speaker 1: picking these movies that are like so insane that I like. 897 00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,600 Speaker 2: Can't rain in my shit at all. 898 00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:16,279 Speaker 1: Like I just am like truly like film analysis diarrhea 899 00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:20,200 Speaker 1: about everything in the past like month this movie included. 900 00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,640 Speaker 1: I cannot tell you how much I have. I have 901 00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:26,040 Speaker 1: so many questions, I have so many thoughts. I'm sure 902 00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,080 Speaker 1: you do too. We did a lot of extra research 903 00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,600 Speaker 1: for this one. We actually watched a whole ass other 904 00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,520 Speaker 1: documentary about my movie, which I told you to do. 905 00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:39,400 Speaker 1: I texted you, I was watch this documentary last night. Yes, 906 00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:44,040 Speaker 1: it's the documentary. I'm gonna try to maybe not like 907 00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:45,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to rain in it about the actual 908 00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:47,760 Speaker 1: documentary because it is so insane. 909 00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,120 Speaker 2: But we'll talk about it all. We'll talk about it all. 910 00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,480 Speaker 3: Oh, it should be watched, though, I think when we 911 00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,480 Speaker 3: were starting to when we came to the pod today, 912 00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,719 Speaker 3: our producer Casey said they made him watch it in 913 00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,839 Speaker 3: film school as an example of what not to do. Yeah, 914 00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:04,240 Speaker 3: I absolutely recommend that if you're all interested in this business, 915 00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,320 Speaker 3: watch it as a cautionary tale. 916 00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:10,120 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm in my letterboxed review of the documentary. 917 00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,600 Speaker 1: I think I said, will somebody let me program a 918 00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:17,840 Speaker 1: double feature of this documentary with the Decline of Western 919 00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,000 Speaker 1: Civilization Part two the Middle Years? Like you could do 920 00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:26,719 Speaker 1: a delusional Hollywood double feature with beautiful that documentary with 921 00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,279 Speaker 1: both those two documentaries to be you know what. 922 00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,719 Speaker 3: I actually ended up watching after that documentary? 923 00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:33,600 Speaker 2: What do you remember? 924 00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:37,759 Speaker 3: The documentary dig about the Dandy Warhols and the Brian 925 00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:38,600 Speaker 3: Jonestown masac. 926 00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:40,560 Speaker 2: Of course, of course that's what I. 927 00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:42,640 Speaker 3: Watched after this, and I'm like, oh, the delusional men 928 00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:44,120 Speaker 3: of the nineties double feech. 929 00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,120 Speaker 1: I've been meaning to rewatch that because I heard there 930 00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,800 Speaker 1: was like another Brian Jonestown masker fight recently. 931 00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:52,600 Speaker 2: Did you know about that? 932 00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:54,720 Speaker 1: That these like fifty year old men in the Brian 933 00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,520 Speaker 1: Jonestown mascer are like still punching each other in the face. 934 00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:04,759 Speaker 3: Fucking why I have not grown out our genuinely approaching 935 00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:11,200 Speaker 3: retirement age. Like AARP is knocking. They already qualify for AARP. Yeah, 936 00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,719 Speaker 3: and they're still punching each other on stage. 937 00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm dude, it was hilarious. 938 00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,880 Speaker 3: But all right, I'm just I'm just gonna say I 939 00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:23,399 Speaker 3: don't know when and I don't know how, but there 940 00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:29,160 Speaker 3: will be revenge. And at some point before we end 941 00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:32,359 Speaker 3: this podcast for real, for good, we will be doing 942 00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,600 Speaker 3: a double feature of Titanic and Romeo and Juliet. 943 00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:40,120 Speaker 2: Okay to just get ready. 944 00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:45,440 Speaker 1: Okay, I have to say, even even though I know 945 00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,279 Speaker 1: I picked this movie this week, I totally deserve all 946 00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:53,719 Speaker 1: the punishment. Like I said, I think I texted you 947 00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,600 Speaker 1: and I after I saw the documentary and the and 948 00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,960 Speaker 1: the movie, I was like, I'm walking myself into rehab. 949 00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,359 Speaker 1: This is unforgivable truly. 950 00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,520 Speaker 3: But also will be so much fun to talk about. 951 00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:09,840 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and I. 952 00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,440 Speaker 3: Don't even need caffeine for this episode, but I'm also 953 00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,279 Speaker 3: this is also gonna be a caffe neated episode for me. 954 00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:18,160 Speaker 2: Oh it's yeah, this is natural caffeine for me. 955 00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:25,560 Speaker 1: So my movie for the theme, Ricky, I swear to 956 00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:26,759 Speaker 1: fucking God. 957 00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,760 Speaker 2: DI did do a good job. You'd great. Okay. Thanks. 958 00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,440 Speaker 1: It is a movie from nineteen eighty nine. It was 959 00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:40,200 Speaker 1: written and directed by Troy Duffy and it's called Boondock 960 00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:41,600 Speaker 1: Saints all. 961 00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,680 Speaker 2: The low life in the quiet city of Boston start 962 00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:46,759 Speaker 2: dropping dead, and you think it's unrelated. 963 00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:49,960 Speaker 3: I mean, right off the bat why is it called 964 00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:50,800 Speaker 3: boon dock scenes? 965 00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:56,600 Speaker 1: I know the second half of that, the first one 966 00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,440 Speaker 1: I don't know, like Boondock by doc. 967 00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:00,799 Speaker 2: I just thought of the. 968 00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:05,239 Speaker 1: Show The Boondocks. Yeah, the cartoon the Boondocks. That was 969 00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:06,920 Speaker 1: not made clear to me during this watch. 970 00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,279 Speaker 2: However, I'm going to give you. 971 00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,880 Speaker 1: One sentence synopsis of the film right up top, so 972 00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:19,080 Speaker 1: then we can just get into it. Okay, Two Irish 973 00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:26,560 Speaker 1: Catholic brothers with matching neck tattoos living in the bathroom 974 00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:34,480 Speaker 1: from the first Saw movie decide to batmanitize themselves to 975 00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:38,320 Speaker 1: save the streets of Boston from organized crime. 976 00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:45,040 Speaker 3: I need that entire one sentence synopsis tattooed on my bicep. 977 00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:46,919 Speaker 2: Get it on my neck? 978 00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,520 Speaker 1: Why am I getting back neck tattoos of that one 979 00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:50,520 Speaker 1: sentence synopsis? 980 00:50:51,280 --> 00:51:00,239 Speaker 2: Get it off my neck as batmanize themselves. I was 981 00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:04,040 Speaker 2: that was beautiful, Thank you. I was like, I don't 982 00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:05,719 Speaker 2: even know. This is going to be a run on 983 00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:09,480 Speaker 2: sentence for the ages. There's so much on this movie. 984 00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:13,880 Speaker 1: And that one sentence synopsis doesn't even feel substantial enough. 985 00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,240 Speaker 2: Don't even cover it doesn't even come close. 986 00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:17,960 Speaker 3: So go. 987 00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,320 Speaker 2: This might also be like a three hour episode. I 988 00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:26,239 Speaker 2: gotta really be careful about it. I gotta really be careful. No, 989 00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,360 Speaker 2: I say, let it rip it, let it ride. I 990 00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:31,040 Speaker 2: love it, Let it ride. 991 00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,240 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about Troy Duffy at the beginning because 992 00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:38,040 Speaker 1: we just have to, like, we can't wait, we cannot wait. 993 00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:42,640 Speaker 1: Oh my god son, Troy Duffy is the director of 994 00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:46,200 Speaker 1: The Boondock Saints. Now, a little bit of backstory about this, 995 00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,600 Speaker 1: because there's a lot of mythology about this. By the way, 996 00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:51,640 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously there was a documentary. There's actually more 997 00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:56,120 Speaker 1: than one documentary made about this whole thing. And this 998 00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,000 Speaker 1: was pretty much all unknown to me because, like I said, 999 00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:04,200 Speaker 1: I have never seen this before. I remember the movie 1000 00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,920 Speaker 1: coming out, but it was not on my radar in 1001 00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,600 Speaker 1: terms of it being something to watch. But I just 1002 00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:14,520 Speaker 1: remember a lot of my sisters friends, like my sisters, 1003 00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,920 Speaker 1: she's three years younger than me, a lot of like 1004 00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:22,880 Speaker 1: her friends were super into this movie. So I just 1005 00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,760 Speaker 1: kind of assumed, Okay, maybe this is like what's happening 1006 00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:29,920 Speaker 1: for like high school seniors right now, this is like 1007 00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,000 Speaker 1: their reservoir dogs or something like that. 1008 00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:34,040 Speaker 2: And then I don't know. 1009 00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,520 Speaker 1: I just knew it carried a lot of mythology. I 1010 00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:38,640 Speaker 1: knew that there was some crazy shit about it, but 1011 00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:41,840 Speaker 1: I just didn't ever explore it or look into it. 1012 00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:46,160 Speaker 1: And then now I know a lot, a lot more 1013 00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:48,919 Speaker 1: than I think I ever wanted to know about this guy, 1014 00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:52,479 Speaker 1: this movie, this franchise. It's technically a franchise now because 1015 00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:57,480 Speaker 1: there's a sequel. So Troy Duffy was a guy from 1016 00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:59,000 Speaker 1: I think he's originally from Connecticut. 1017 00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,839 Speaker 2: Maybe he moved to LA because he wanted him. 1018 00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:03,520 Speaker 1: He was in a band, and the band was called 1019 00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,719 Speaker 1: the Brood, which I don't know if it was named 1020 00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:07,080 Speaker 1: after the Cronenberg movie. 1021 00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:08,880 Speaker 2: I don't know who knows, you know it. 1022 00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:14,560 Speaker 1: So he goes to LA and make it with his band, 1023 00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:18,040 Speaker 1: and he was bartending down at a bar in West Hollywood. 1024 00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:22,600 Speaker 2: And it's that whole like to me now, a very 1025 00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:26,000 Speaker 2: like regurgitated kind of like. 1026 00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,640 Speaker 1: Stereotypical story of like the dude that comes to LA 1027 00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,680 Speaker 1: to make it and then like writes a screenplay during 1028 00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:35,080 Speaker 1: his smoke breaks or so. 1029 00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:35,880 Speaker 2: You know what I mean. It's like this. 1030 00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,400 Speaker 1: It's like, you know, I was living in a one 1031 00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,400 Speaker 1: bedroom apartment with like twelve people, and I was you know, 1032 00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,319 Speaker 1: working at Subway, and then on my breaks, I would 1033 00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,960 Speaker 1: be write by screenplay and then you know, now it's 1034 00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:49,520 Speaker 1: Ben her something, you know what I mean. 1035 00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:53,000 Speaker 3: It's like the mythology the la But also I think 1036 00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:59,240 Speaker 3: that mythology for your movie was heightened by the success 1037 00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:00,919 Speaker 3: and the lore of my movie. 1038 00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:06,160 Speaker 1: Yes, I would I would say yes because another connection 1039 00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:09,680 Speaker 1: point between or two movies is that Miramax was involved 1040 00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:13,759 Speaker 1: at one point, right, and that fucking prick Harvey Weinstein, 1041 00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:17,360 Speaker 1: that rape that who has been accused and convicted a 1042 00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:18,160 Speaker 1: sexual assault. 1043 00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:20,600 Speaker 3: So I can give my opinion about this freely, hopefully 1044 00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:25,520 Speaker 3: without legal repercussion that he's a raping asshole. Yeah, yeah, 1045 00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:27,319 Speaker 3: And he had his hands in both of these things. 1046 00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:30,520 Speaker 1: Absolutely, absolutely, So there's this that is another part of 1047 00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,560 Speaker 1: it too, Right, And in the nineties, I mean it's 1048 00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:35,680 Speaker 1: hard to it's hard to h if you if you 1049 00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:37,879 Speaker 1: did not grow up in the nineties or you didn't 1050 00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,920 Speaker 1: have the experience of that kind of like indie film 1051 00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:42,120 Speaker 1: boom of the nineties. 1052 00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:45,080 Speaker 2: Right, this was like a this was a goal of 1053 00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:46,600 Speaker 2: pretty much everybody that I went to. 1054 00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:49,120 Speaker 1: Film school with, you know what I mean, Like if 1055 00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:51,320 Speaker 1: in the nineties, if you were in a film school, 1056 00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:58,280 Speaker 1: you had watched people like Kevin Smith, Quentin Tarantino, Richard Linklater, 1057 00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:02,280 Speaker 1: like all these kind of big indie film guys basically 1058 00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:03,200 Speaker 1: have a story like this. 1059 00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:05,080 Speaker 2: It's like, oh, like they're just kind of like. 1060 00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:08,960 Speaker 1: Toilet and obscurity, and then one day they somebody sees 1061 00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,040 Speaker 1: a script that they wrote, and then now they're famous 1062 00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:13,000 Speaker 1: and they get to make movies in Hollywood. 1063 00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:18,440 Speaker 3: Right, which again, in the nineties only really happened for men, 1064 00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:20,719 Speaker 3: which is something I will talk about as this goes on. 1065 00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:24,320 Speaker 3: But like the toxic masculinity and the way that the 1066 00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:29,600 Speaker 3: system propped up toxic masculinity and toxicity in general in 1067 00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:33,240 Speaker 3: order to work with these dudes who they just thought 1068 00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:38,400 Speaker 3: and assumed were fucking geniuses is shocking to me in retrospect, 1069 00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:40,319 Speaker 3: and it was shocking to me at the time even 1070 00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:41,360 Speaker 3: more so in retrospect. 1071 00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:43,400 Speaker 2: Well, and that's what I'm about to say too, is 1072 00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:48,880 Speaker 2: that okay? So he so basically yes, he writes the script. 1073 00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:53,319 Speaker 1: It was like influenced by some real life scenario where 1074 00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:55,360 Speaker 1: he watched a crime go down and was like, I 1075 00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:56,200 Speaker 1: got to write a script. 1076 00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:56,880 Speaker 2: I'm inspired. 1077 00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:01,360 Speaker 1: So then somehow the script up in the hands of 1078 00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:04,120 Speaker 1: somebody that's powerful at a movie studio in Hollywood, and 1079 00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:08,080 Speaker 1: then there becomes this bidding war between Paramount and Mirramax, 1080 00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:13,000 Speaker 1: Mirramx eventually winning. And this is what this is exactly 1081 00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:16,239 Speaker 1: to your point. This is exactly what's wrong with the 1082 00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:20,000 Speaker 1: film business in my opinion. Okay, because not only did 1083 00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:23,960 Speaker 1: Mirramax buy the script, they were like, you can write it, 1084 00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:29,040 Speaker 1: you can direct it, your band can do the soundtrack, 1085 00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:35,719 Speaker 1: and for some weird ass reason, we will also go 1086 00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:39,000 Speaker 1: in on the bar that you work at in West Hollywood. 1087 00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:43,080 Speaker 2: They bought that fucking bar for this asshole. Okay. 1088 00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:47,200 Speaker 1: I was like sitting there processing that information, going could 1089 00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:51,400 Speaker 1: that even be right? Like they wanted to work with 1090 00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:55,759 Speaker 1: this guy so badly that they were prepared to be. 1091 00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:59,200 Speaker 2: Co owners on a bar. This guy didn't even own 1092 00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,160 Speaker 2: the bar, He just worked there. 1093 00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:07,120 Speaker 3: He has no background in anything that indicates any of 1094 00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:10,759 Speaker 3: this should be happening to him. But because men are 1095 00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:15,759 Speaker 3: obsessed with the notion of the guy who made it. 1096 00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:19,400 Speaker 3: They made it out of a tough neighborhood, they made 1097 00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:23,360 Speaker 3: it despite the odds. Men in Hollywood tell themselves this 1098 00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:27,160 Speaker 3: story about themselves, so when they think they see that 1099 00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:28,880 Speaker 3: mirrored in someone else. 1100 00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:32,440 Speaker 2: They're like, we gotta support this guy I because he's 1101 00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:32,920 Speaker 2: just like me. 1102 00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:35,800 Speaker 1: Well, this is why everybody who will Hollywood to burn, 1103 00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:40,360 Speaker 1: like the fuck is this is the example, the prime 1104 00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:45,120 Speaker 1: example of like, can you imagine being like a complete 1105 00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:50,720 Speaker 1: and he like a bartender that wrote a script and 1106 00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:54,880 Speaker 1: then a movie studio is like, you can do literally everything. 1107 00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:57,320 Speaker 1: You could be like top to bottom. You could be 1108 00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:00,320 Speaker 1: the gaffer, you could be craft services, Like we'll let 1109 00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:02,479 Speaker 1: you do this entire movie for a shit's out of money. 1110 00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:05,920 Speaker 1: And by the way, to sweeten the deal, let's. 1111 00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:09,360 Speaker 2: Buy the bar that you work at, Like it doesn't 1112 00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:12,320 Speaker 2: make any sense to me, which eventually just became their 1113 00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:14,840 Speaker 2: fucking clubhouse. Yeah it was. 1114 00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,480 Speaker 1: It's like it's like his TCM came to me in 1115 00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:19,680 Speaker 1: two thousand and four. It's like, Millie, we want you 1116 00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:21,640 Speaker 1: to work here so bad. We're willing to go in 1117 00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,760 Speaker 1: on the caribou coffee that you looked at for four 1118 00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:26,120 Speaker 1: seventy five an hour that you. 1119 00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:28,520 Speaker 2: Had like little to know passionate about. 1120 00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:35,080 Speaker 3: We're gonna buy you them at Einstein bagels, Like, holy 1121 00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:39,600 Speaker 3: fucking shit, so so insane. So that detail is the 1122 00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:41,920 Speaker 3: most disgusting part of the story to me. 1123 00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,320 Speaker 2: I could not understand that at all. Like I was like, 1124 00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:46,200 Speaker 2: make it make sense to me, but it's never good. 1125 00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:48,880 Speaker 1: So you've got this like now you've got this guy, 1126 00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:51,919 Speaker 1: this like cocky weeho bartender who has like this huge 1127 00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:54,240 Speaker 1: Hollywood deal and then he starts wanting to hire all 1128 00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:56,960 Speaker 1: these famous people for it. So he's like Mark Wahlberg, 1129 00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:59,880 Speaker 1: Stephen doorf you know, Kenneth braunaw was a part of it, 1130 00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:03,680 Speaker 1: like Ewin McGregor. That's like apparently a very legendary story 1131 00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:09,720 Speaker 1: about how this director basically lost Ewan McGregor for his film. 1132 00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:11,720 Speaker 1: I guess maybe he was like they got into an 1133 00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:16,520 Speaker 1: argument about the death penalty, the death penalty, and the 1134 00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:17,120 Speaker 1: guy was. 1135 00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:21,120 Speaker 2: So drunk that he he scared Ewin McGregor away. 1136 00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:23,960 Speaker 3: Who was apparently like screaming, like they were screaming at 1137 00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:26,320 Speaker 3: each other. Yeah, we're just so And the way he 1138 00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:33,320 Speaker 3: talks about these established Hollywood people is like he's above them. 1139 00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:36,479 Speaker 3: He's like, oh, fucking Kenneth Brawn is dragging his feet, 1140 00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:41,960 Speaker 3: and I'm like, sir, maybe bring it even Marky Mark Wahlberg, like, 1141 00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:44,560 Speaker 3: bring it down a notch. These are people who have 1142 00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:47,360 Speaker 3: proven success in things you have not done shit to 1143 00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:48,000 Speaker 3: this point. 1144 00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:52,360 Speaker 2: Relax, well and so and this is okay. 1145 00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:57,040 Speaker 1: So, like we talked about or teased you know, earlier, 1146 00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:00,640 Speaker 1: there's a documentary that is called Overnight that was made 1147 01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:01,520 Speaker 1: in two thousand and three. 1148 01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:04,880 Speaker 2: It is a like a living document. 1149 01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:07,920 Speaker 1: Of this exact era that we're talking about, this idea 1150 01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:11,600 Speaker 1: that Sky Troy Duffy gets plucked out of bartender obscurity 1151 01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:15,440 Speaker 1: by the Miramax Corporation and then like gets a film deal, 1152 01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:20,040 Speaker 1: gets the deal of a lifetime. Okay, Now this documentary 1153 01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:23,680 Speaker 1: is really interesting to me. It's like a Mondo movie, Okay. 1154 01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:28,640 Speaker 1: It is like a cautionary tale about like what happens 1155 01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:33,520 Speaker 1: when you just give dudes power when they haven't toiled 1156 01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:36,600 Speaker 1: the business or something, you know, just like like a 1157 01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:41,200 Speaker 1: very early career cocky guy who is now thinks ing 1158 01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:44,480 Speaker 1: he thinks he's like the Don Veto of Hollywood basically. 1159 01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:50,080 Speaker 1: And the documentary itself is so strange because it's it's 1160 01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:55,120 Speaker 1: clearly like created and edited by somebody in his orbit, 1161 01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:58,160 Speaker 1: Like it's a pro Troy Duffy movie. 1162 01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:02,480 Speaker 3: While just showing him to be the world's biggest asshole. 1163 01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:05,640 Speaker 2: Yes, and this is like it is a key. 1164 01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:13,280 Speaker 1: Text to understanding Boondock Saints in my oh totally, Like 1165 01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:15,360 Speaker 1: it's almost like you can't have one. 1166 01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:16,160 Speaker 2: Without the other for me. 1167 01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:19,240 Speaker 1: I mean, the documentary is like a Mister showskit come 1168 01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:24,000 Speaker 1: to life. It is truly insane, it really. 1169 01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:26,720 Speaker 2: Truly and every person in the movie is like a 1170 01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:29,240 Speaker 2: film nerd guy that I went to college with. Like, 1171 01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:29,960 Speaker 2: these are all. 1172 01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:33,920 Speaker 1: Guys who are like moving and shaken in Hollywood in 1173 01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:37,360 Speaker 1: the late nineties, and they're like they got bad facial 1174 01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:40,800 Speaker 1: hair and bad wrap around sunglasses and they're fucking wearing 1175 01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:46,120 Speaker 1: shirt like button up shirts from Structure, the men's clothing store, 1176 01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:47,640 Speaker 1: structure or something. 1177 01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:53,080 Speaker 3: Overall, yes, fucking or like arrested development. The band take 1178 01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:57,960 Speaker 3: me to another place overalls in a Hollywood meeting, and. 1179 01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:02,200 Speaker 1: It's just so extremely dorky that it's almost like like 1180 01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:03,840 Speaker 1: you might have to turn it off a couple times 1181 01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:06,600 Speaker 1: and just give yourself a little break, take a lap 1182 01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:08,640 Speaker 1: around the house, and then just go back because it's 1183 01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:10,520 Speaker 1: a lot to cut to process. 1184 01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:12,960 Speaker 3: Drink some water, come back, and it's and I also 1185 01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:14,760 Speaker 3: I have to say at this point too, that I'm 1186 01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:18,840 Speaker 3: not at all saying that you have to come up 1187 01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:21,440 Speaker 3: through the business in a very specific way in order 1188 01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:23,840 Speaker 3: to be successful, because that wouldn't even be true of myself. 1189 01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:24,960 Speaker 2: Oh sure, of course. 1190 01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:29,240 Speaker 3: I think the cockiness and the hubris of this man, 1191 01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:32,280 Speaker 3: and the assumption that he was going to be a 1192 01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:36,000 Speaker 3: huge fucking deal when he wasn't even a fully baked 1193 01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:37,040 Speaker 3: human being. 1194 01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:42,400 Speaker 2: Is what rankles me. Like this his job and like 1195 01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:46,760 Speaker 2: him being a bartender, and that's not what upsets me. 1196 01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:49,280 Speaker 3: Like I do think it's possible for people to work 1197 01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:52,479 Speaker 3: in obscurity and toil in obscurity for a long time 1198 01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:56,040 Speaker 3: until they're able to find their footing and find their 1199 01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:58,280 Speaker 3: way into the thing they want to do. It's this 1200 01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:03,600 Speaker 3: particular fucking dude and the example of him as I 1201 01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:07,600 Speaker 3: know that I'm going to be great at everything, even 1202 01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:10,360 Speaker 3: though he's never been even good at anything up to 1203 01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:10,800 Speaker 3: that point. 1204 01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:13,440 Speaker 1: Well, and like, this is something that I kind of 1205 01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:17,120 Speaker 1: sat with for a second because I was like, okay, again, 1206 01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:20,520 Speaker 1: I'm like a student and a fan of exploitation film 1207 01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:21,880 Speaker 1: and the exploitation world. 1208 01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:26,320 Speaker 2: Okay, there have been guys like this in the history 1209 01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:27,040 Speaker 2: of cult films. 1210 01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:33,320 Speaker 1: Okay, this guy is giving Neil Breen, he's giving Tommy Wise. 1211 01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:39,480 Speaker 1: Oh you know, he's his whole thing is is very 1212 01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:43,040 Speaker 1: similar to these types that kind of come up within 1213 01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:46,280 Speaker 1: these like cult weird movie worlds of this. Like I mean, 1214 01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:48,680 Speaker 1: it's like the guy that made the Astrologer, that movie 1215 01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:51,720 Speaker 1: The Astrologer from the seventies. It's like this, you know, 1216 01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:57,760 Speaker 1: the guy that like has a lot of confidence, a 1217 01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:00,960 Speaker 1: lot of who Hubris and then and you know, makes 1218 01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:05,120 Speaker 1: these like films that are just completely like overbloated and 1219 01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:07,240 Speaker 1: and and in his mind a masterpiece. 1220 01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:10,920 Speaker 2: But they're terrible or whatever. They're like technically bad or 1221 01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:11,760 Speaker 2: you know whatever. 1222 01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:16,840 Speaker 1: There's and I and I don't know if there's a 1223 01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:20,360 Speaker 1: threshold for me where I'm like I can't support this 1224 01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:22,920 Speaker 1: because this guy sucks so bad, you know what I mean? 1225 01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:29,640 Speaker 1: Right Like right, Like I I enjoyed The Room when 1226 01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:31,240 Speaker 1: it came out. I thought I thought it was I 1227 01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:35,360 Speaker 1: thought it was funny. I've seen many Neil Breen films 1228 01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:38,760 Speaker 1: before and thought they were hilarious. 1229 01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:40,840 Speaker 2: But there's this like threshold. 1230 01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:43,320 Speaker 1: And maybe it's just because I sat and watched like 1231 01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:46,120 Speaker 1: a documentary where you had to watch this guy have 1232 01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:49,439 Speaker 1: his bad behavior, and I was like, yeah, I can't 1233 01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:49,760 Speaker 1: take this. 1234 01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:53,040 Speaker 2: I cannot take this. This is like, like should I 1235 01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:54,960 Speaker 2: be supporting this guy in any way? 1236 01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:59,400 Speaker 3: Right? It's so crazy and the dem he's a demon 1237 01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:02,320 Speaker 3: to his friends, to his family, like just anyone that 1238 01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:06,600 Speaker 3: comes in his orbit gets the lashing of his personality. 1239 01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:09,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very interesting. 1240 01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:11,680 Speaker 1: And like I said, I've never seen this before. I 1241 01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:13,760 Speaker 1: have no reference for this, so I'm coming at it 1242 01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:16,880 Speaker 1: with like fresh eyes. Like if I had seen this. 1243 01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:18,960 Speaker 2: You know, when I was in ninety nine, when I 1244 01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:20,120 Speaker 2: was you know, in my. 1245 01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:23,520 Speaker 1: Early twenties, I probably would have thought completely different. To 1246 01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:27,840 Speaker 1: be honest, I was probably still dabbling in teenage edge lordism. 1247 01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:30,800 Speaker 1: I probably would have thought, oh, yeah, this is a 1248 01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:34,080 Speaker 1: fucking weird movie. Like I would have definitely been like, hey, 1249 01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:37,200 Speaker 1: let's go see the Boondock Saints at midnight at the mall. 1250 01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:38,120 Speaker 2: I would have done that. 1251 01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:42,160 Speaker 1: But now that I'm a middle aged woman, I'm looking 1252 01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:44,400 Speaker 1: at this going like what in the fuck is happening? 1253 01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:48,640 Speaker 2: Like this is such an insane story because here's the thing. 1254 01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:52,400 Speaker 2: So because this guy was kind of like drunk with power, 1255 01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:58,280 Speaker 2: actually drunk too that he said he was, he was 1256 01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:01,600 Speaker 2: a big drinker. They bought him I'm a bar. Yeah, 1257 01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:02,880 Speaker 2: they bought his bar. 1258 01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:06,360 Speaker 1: But in spite of all of these things, he apparently, 1259 01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:09,000 Speaker 1: I mean, he shot himself in the foot because Miramax 1260 01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:13,000 Speaker 1: backed out, all the famous people backed out, and it 1261 01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:17,240 Speaker 1: ended up being made by this independent distributor. They shot 1262 01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:19,560 Speaker 1: it for like a small fraction of the budget that 1263 01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:25,240 Speaker 1: Miramax had originally offered. They took it to the festival circuit. 1264 01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:29,200 Speaker 1: Nobody wanted it allegedly, like you know in the research 1265 01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:33,560 Speaker 1: that I had read, nobody wanted to touch it, and 1266 01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:38,440 Speaker 1: then eventually it was poison. Apparently it was released for 1267 01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:41,760 Speaker 1: like less than a week in like five movie theaters. 1268 01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:46,360 Speaker 1: And also did I mention that this was happening during 1269 01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:51,360 Speaker 1: the Columbine massacre, which I'm sure did not help at all. 1270 01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:57,280 Speaker 2: So it kind of became a weird artifact. 1271 01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:03,200 Speaker 1: But like most weird artifacts, it eventually got this weird 1272 01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:05,920 Speaker 1: cult following on home video, which is where I think 1273 01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:08,320 Speaker 1: a lot of people I know saw it in ninety nine, right, 1274 01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:10,520 Speaker 1: I don't think anybody I know saw it in the 1275 01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:13,360 Speaker 1: one of the five movie theaters that had actually played 1276 01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:14,880 Speaker 1: in theatrically, right. 1277 01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:18,080 Speaker 2: So that's where this, that's where it's come to. 1278 01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:22,040 Speaker 1: Now we're at current moment where like there's this movie 1279 01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:24,880 Speaker 1: that I've been hearing about forever and ever and ever, 1280 01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:27,720 Speaker 1: and I'm finally sitting down to watch it, right and 1281 01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:31,320 Speaker 1: like when it comes to Troy Duffy, like he really 1282 01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:34,960 Speaker 1: never worked in like Hollywood again in that way, Like 1283 01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:39,360 Speaker 1: he again directed a sequel to this film. At some 1284 01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:44,000 Speaker 1: point it was called like Boondock Saints two All Saints Day. 1285 01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:47,840 Speaker 3: I think this was the time, fucking Christ. Tell me 1286 01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:49,520 Speaker 3: it was straight to video? Tell me it was straight 1287 01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:49,919 Speaker 3: to video. 1288 01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:55,240 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I'm almost one hundred percent sure that's true, 1289 01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:59,080 Speaker 1: but I'm not gonna I would have to google it essentially. 1290 01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:02,840 Speaker 1: But but I think the funniest thing about it, sort 1291 01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:04,560 Speaker 1: of a little cherry on top, is that he actually 1292 01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:09,479 Speaker 1: did rename his band the Boondock sayce fucking hell, after 1293 01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:10,480 Speaker 1: he kicked out his. 1294 01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:13,800 Speaker 3: Own brother of the band because his brother was like, uh, 1295 01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:15,480 Speaker 3: we moved here to be musicians. 1296 01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:16,280 Speaker 2: What is this movie? 1297 01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:16,639 Speaker 3: Shit? 1298 01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:22,680 Speaker 2: Yeah? So okay, to get it, To give you a. 1299 01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:28,280 Speaker 1: Very kind of brief plot synopsis of The Boondock Saints 1300 01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:32,880 Speaker 1: if you haven't seen it, if you are curious, So 1301 01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:35,880 Speaker 1: this is a movie about these two brothers. They're they're 1302 01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:42,320 Speaker 1: called the McManus Brothers. They're played by Sean Patrick Flannery, who, 1303 01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:45,040 Speaker 1: if you know him, he was in a lot of 1304 01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:52,400 Speaker 1: nineties movies, and Norman Retis, who I think now is 1305 01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:55,760 Speaker 1: an extremely popular star of television because he was in 1306 01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:59,559 Speaker 1: The Walking Dead, which I actually never saw. Yeah, sorry, Carol, 1307 01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:02,080 Speaker 1: I know that's your grandma's favorite show. 1308 01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:03,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, you can never tell her that you've never seen 1309 01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:06,240 Speaker 2: The Walking Dead, right, Because here's the thing is that 1310 01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:07,320 Speaker 2: when I when I. 1311 01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:11,439 Speaker 1: This name, Norman Ritas kept coming up all the time, 1312 01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:13,840 Speaker 1: like everybody was like loving this guy, and I was like, 1313 01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:14,800 Speaker 1: who is this dude? 1314 01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:17,600 Speaker 2: And people be like he's the Boondock Saints guy and 1315 01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:22,600 Speaker 2: I was like what, Like I felt like I was 1316 01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:24,360 Speaker 2: like ninety years old. I was like, I don't even 1317 01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:26,240 Speaker 2: know this guy. I don't even know the movie theyre. 1318 01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:30,639 Speaker 1: So it's interesting because these are the two brothers, okay, 1319 01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:39,240 Speaker 1: and they are both deeply Irish Catholic, like from Ireland, 1320 01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:44,679 Speaker 1: Irish Catholic from Ireland. I will say that Sean Patrick 1321 01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:48,960 Speaker 1: Flannery manages to do a pretty convincing Irish accent. 1322 01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:54,479 Speaker 2: The entire movie h However, Norman Ritis does not. Oh yeah, 1323 01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:57,000 Speaker 2: the same cannot be said for him. Yeah. 1324 01:09:57,680 --> 01:10:01,440 Speaker 1: So these two brothers that are like, you know, from Ireland. 1325 01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:06,439 Speaker 1: They I don't even know how to describe them. They 1326 01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:09,080 Speaker 1: it starts, the whole movie starts out at a church 1327 01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:12,960 Speaker 1: and they're just like at Mass or something, and they're 1328 01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:16,880 Speaker 1: and they're the type of Catholics that are like they 1329 01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:22,960 Speaker 1: wear Carrie rosaries and they pray like all the time, 1330 01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:25,360 Speaker 1: and like I said, they're covered in matching tattoos. And 1331 01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:29,640 Speaker 1: it's a lot of like Catholic iconography, a lot of 1332 01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:31,919 Speaker 1: They speak to each other in Gaelic? 1333 01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:33,240 Speaker 2: Am I right about that? 1334 01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:35,639 Speaker 3: They they kind of they start by speaking to each 1335 01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:37,680 Speaker 3: other in Gaelic, but as the movie goes on, they 1336 01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:39,559 Speaker 3: reveal that they speak like eight languages. 1337 01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:41,839 Speaker 2: Oh yes, how did I forget? 1338 01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:46,400 Speaker 3: They speak Italian fluently, they speak French fluently. They speak 1339 01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:51,160 Speaker 3: eight fluent languages. It's it's hard to get a read 1340 01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:53,320 Speaker 3: on on these dudes. Like, I'm like, how do they 1341 01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:54,360 Speaker 3: learn all those languages? 1342 01:10:54,439 --> 01:10:55,519 Speaker 2: How do they end up like this? 1343 01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:58,639 Speaker 1: Like I said in the one sentence synopsis, they both 1344 01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:01,439 Speaker 1: live in a it's like literally the bathroom from the 1345 01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:08,080 Speaker 1: Saw movies. Mattresses on the floor, twin mattresses like real psycho. 1346 01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:10,320 Speaker 2: Hours right exposed toilet. 1347 01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:14,200 Speaker 1: Yes, it's kind of They're living in like an abandoned building, 1348 01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:18,120 Speaker 1: you know. So this is why I keep going back 1349 01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:21,640 Speaker 1: to like the Batman comparison, because they're like living in 1350 01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:26,840 Speaker 1: this like weird dark, uh, serial killer type of place 1351 01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:32,640 Speaker 1: and and then apparently go out and kill bad guys. 1352 01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:37,360 Speaker 2: Like on the on the on the weekends at night. 1353 01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:40,559 Speaker 3: This is well, this is you know, they they have jobs, 1354 01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:44,280 Speaker 3: as you know, their butchers. Yes, so they do their 1355 01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:49,559 Speaker 3: butcher job during the day and then they become human 1356 01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:50,439 Speaker 3: butchers at night. 1357 01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:56,679 Speaker 2: Oh my god, varioustute observation. 1358 01:11:57,240 --> 01:12:00,840 Speaker 3: Don't get me right. In Boondock Scene's three, I would 1359 01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:01,760 Speaker 3: do a better job. 1360 01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:06,200 Speaker 2: What would you call Boondock Saints three? By the way, 1361 01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:06,879 Speaker 2: I would. 1362 01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:11,479 Speaker 3: Call it Boondock Saints three. I can't believe we have 1363 01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:17,759 Speaker 3: another chance at this shit. Boon Dock Saints three. Toxic 1364 01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:20,000 Speaker 3: masculinity shows up again. 1365 01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:27,320 Speaker 2: Oh my god, more like Boondock Aints. 1366 01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:31,400 Speaker 3: Oh why did you ask me what I would call 1367 01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:34,320 Speaker 3: it when you just had that in your pocket. That's perfect. 1368 01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:41,479 Speaker 2: Boon Dock Saints three, more like boon Dock Ace that's 1369 01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:45,320 Speaker 2: what we're calling it. Oh my god, fucking present and 1370 01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:46,439 Speaker 2: we're calling it all. 1371 01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:48,960 Speaker 1: Right, I'm going to photoshop and making a shitty cover, alright. 1372 01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:52,640 Speaker 1: So they yeah, they're they're kind of they working like 1373 01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:55,639 Speaker 1: a slaughterhouse during the day. At the very very early 1374 01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:57,759 Speaker 1: in the movie, I thought this was such a fucked 1375 01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:00,559 Speaker 1: up way to establish a tone. At one point, they 1376 01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:04,680 Speaker 1: punch out a very tall lesbian woman. 1377 01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:07,439 Speaker 2: And I'm like, I mean, why. 1378 01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:16,920 Speaker 3: The awful choices begin immediately. The misogyny, the racism begins immediately. 1379 01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:22,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, And so, like I said, they in a very 1380 01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:23,599 Speaker 2: batman way. 1381 01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:25,400 Speaker 1: They kind of gone at night on the weekends, that 1382 01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:28,400 Speaker 1: kind of stuff to go around, and they find these 1383 01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:31,439 Speaker 1: kind of like criminal organizations that are working in Boston, 1384 01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:34,160 Speaker 1: and they're just like killing the bad guys. They're they're 1385 01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:37,600 Speaker 1: they've taken upon themselves to get the crime off the 1386 01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:38,599 Speaker 1: streets type of thing. 1387 01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:44,720 Speaker 2: They have a friend who is this Italian guy named Rocco. 1388 01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:48,240 Speaker 1: Who looks basically like Dave Groll from The Food Fighters 1389 01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:55,360 Speaker 1: and uh he Rocco is this like Aaron boy for 1390 01:13:56,200 --> 01:14:00,240 Speaker 1: like the Italian mob in Boston. And they try don't 1391 01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:04,360 Speaker 1: pretty much like the Fredo of the organization. So you know, 1392 01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:08,000 Speaker 1: he's just like this funny guy and they don't take 1393 01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:10,760 Speaker 1: him very seriously. So as you can imagine, Roco has 1394 01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:12,800 Speaker 1: this giant chip on his shoulder about all of this, 1395 01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:18,799 Speaker 1: which plays into the plot in due time. But it's 1396 01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:23,679 Speaker 1: interesting because so they're kind of out doing these crimes. 1397 01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:26,960 Speaker 1: Then that you know, there's these murders that are happening, 1398 01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:28,840 Speaker 1: like these dead bodies are kind of showing up, and 1399 01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:33,120 Speaker 1: then the local Boston police are stumped. 1400 01:14:33,160 --> 01:14:35,679 Speaker 2: They have no fucking concept of how to solve this crime. 1401 01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:37,720 Speaker 1: So you got to bring in the big guns, right, 1402 01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:42,439 Speaker 1: You got to bring in this guy, this FBI agent 1403 01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:46,720 Speaker 1: named Paul Smecker, and he is played by Are all 1404 01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:48,839 Speaker 1: the way up King Willem Dafoe. 1405 01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:53,519 Speaker 3: Just no justice, no justice for the fact that he 1406 01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:54,840 Speaker 3: was even in this film. 1407 01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:57,560 Speaker 1: You know, there's a moment where I was like, I 1408 01:14:57,640 --> 01:14:59,599 Speaker 1: can't believe he's in this film, but also I can 1409 01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:02,080 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, oh, this this is 1410 01:15:02,200 --> 01:15:05,920 Speaker 1: such a weird enough legacy that he would totally be 1411 01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:06,360 Speaker 1: part of it. 1412 01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:11,519 Speaker 3: But also like why, right, character, it's a story to 1413 01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:13,080 Speaker 3: tell as an actor that they like, you will not 1414 01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:14,200 Speaker 3: fucking believe this movie. 1415 01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:14,680 Speaker 2: I just did. 1416 01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:18,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm gonna say, I'm gonna try to set 1417 01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:20,960 Speaker 1: this up in ways that we can all understand because 1418 01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:23,919 Speaker 1: this this character is maybe one of the most confusing 1419 01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:27,880 Speaker 1: characters to ever be in in the film, in the 1420 01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:33,960 Speaker 1: in the Cinema, Okay, essentially Paul Smecker slash Willem Dafoe. 1421 01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:39,360 Speaker 1: He's kind of like al Pacchi and heat right, So 1422 01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:43,719 Speaker 1: he's this quirky yet instinctual cop. 1423 01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:47,120 Speaker 2: He really knows how to solve crimes. 1424 01:15:47,320 --> 01:15:49,840 Speaker 1: But he's a little, a little, you know, a little 1425 01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:53,280 Speaker 1: far from normal, if you know what I'm saying. And 1426 01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:55,240 Speaker 1: this is this is not my words. This is the 1427 01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:59,800 Speaker 1: creation of the character in the world of this film. Okay, 1428 01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:06,080 Speaker 1: Like it's almost painful. How weird they've made this character. 1429 01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:09,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, Like okay, and you can see the gears turning 1430 01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:12,960 Speaker 3: of well, maybe he also has this, Maybe he also 1431 01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:13,280 Speaker 3: does that. 1432 01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:15,479 Speaker 2: Maybe, Yeah, let's get like, let's make him do this. 1433 01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:18,920 Speaker 3: Like it's just everything that they could think of and 1434 01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:21,880 Speaker 3: they threw it at the fucking wall and left all 1435 01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:22,280 Speaker 3: of it in. 1436 01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:23,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1437 01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:27,000 Speaker 1: Like like the very first scene that he's in, like 1438 01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:28,800 Speaker 1: he shows up to the crime scene and then he's 1439 01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:31,759 Speaker 1: like looking around at all the bodies and assessing the scenario, 1440 01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:34,720 Speaker 1: and then he suddenly flips his coat open. There's a 1441 01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:39,320 Speaker 1: fucking sony discman, like an actual disc man, and he 1442 01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:41,880 Speaker 1: puts his headphones on and he starts listening to opera 1443 01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:44,760 Speaker 1: while he's like looking at this this murder scene as 1444 01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:46,640 Speaker 1: if this is like the thing that he does. Like 1445 01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:49,680 Speaker 1: he's he's so wacky that he has to listen to 1446 01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:52,120 Speaker 1: opera while he's solving crimes or something. 1447 01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:53,200 Speaker 2: I mean, it was just like what. 1448 01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:57,800 Speaker 1: So and and and then it just starts from there. 1449 01:16:57,840 --> 01:17:03,040 Speaker 1: It's like Paul Smecker is also gay but also a homophobe. 1450 01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:07,000 Speaker 1: That's interesting to me. At one point, he's in drag, 1451 01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:12,040 Speaker 1: but also he's he's conflicted, Like this pulse micro character 1452 01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:14,080 Speaker 1: is like because, okay, let me try to. 1453 01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:15,719 Speaker 2: Set this up. Totally self hating. 1454 01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:20,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a self hating gay man who is really 1455 01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:22,200 Speaker 1: good at solving crimes. 1456 01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:24,520 Speaker 2: But he's also. 1457 01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:29,880 Speaker 1: Not one hundred percent on board with like nabbing the 1458 01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:34,000 Speaker 1: McManus Brothers, the Boondock Saints if you will, because he 1459 01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:40,960 Speaker 1: feels like they're actually doing a good thing, right, He's like, well, 1460 01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:43,360 Speaker 1: they're doing my job. I mean, basically they're killing all 1461 01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:45,200 Speaker 1: these bad guys that we're trying to capture, and like, 1462 01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:47,760 Speaker 1: how do I feel about that as a enforcer of 1463 01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:48,160 Speaker 1: the law. 1464 01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:49,559 Speaker 2: There's like a scene in the. 1465 01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:53,560 Speaker 1: Beginning where the two McManus brothers are like busted and 1466 01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:56,799 Speaker 1: they're they're both worring these like sizzler sister robes. 1467 01:17:57,240 --> 01:17:58,000 Speaker 2: Did you catch that? 1468 01:18:00,760 --> 01:18:05,680 Speaker 3: I am Jerry Sisa was like these are the sister 1469 01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:06,920 Speaker 3: robes and. 1470 01:18:08,520 --> 01:18:13,320 Speaker 2: And they're being interviewed and like he loves them. He's 1471 01:18:13,439 --> 01:18:14,559 Speaker 2: like everybody loves them. 1472 01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:17,160 Speaker 1: The cops are in town are like, yeah, these are 1473 01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:20,360 Speaker 1: It's like the end of bad Lands where they're like 1474 01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:22,280 Speaker 1: we we love these two guys. 1475 01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:27,160 Speaker 2: They're let's let's get them some some food and some cigarettes. Like, oh, 1476 01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:29,479 Speaker 2: beyond that, we love these guys so much, let's let 1477 01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:32,360 Speaker 2: them free. So let's let them free. 1478 01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:36,400 Speaker 3: These crimes that we know for a fucking fact they did. 1479 01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:38,160 Speaker 3: We're we're gonna charge them because they're cool. 1480 01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:41,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so and like there's just so much like, Okay, 1481 01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:42,960 Speaker 1: here's the other thing about this movie too, that's so 1482 01:18:44,200 --> 01:18:48,040 Speaker 1: is a parent Almost immediately, there's a lot of stylistic 1483 01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:52,120 Speaker 1: choices that are definitely being pulled from other directors. 1484 01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:56,920 Speaker 2: I eat Quentin Tarantino. The music cues in this movie 1485 01:18:57,000 --> 01:19:00,240 Speaker 2: are bananas, like just. 1486 01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:07,000 Speaker 1: It's it and again we're like coming from this, like 1487 01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:11,040 Speaker 1: I can see where the gears returning in Troy Duffy's 1488 01:19:11,080 --> 01:19:13,639 Speaker 1: head been like, oh, this is a little like John 1489 01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:18,160 Speaker 1: Wu meets Tarantino, like the double guns fucking you know, 1490 01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:19,880 Speaker 1: Cello and fat style like. 1491 01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:24,560 Speaker 2: You know, but then it's just the it's just poor execution. 1492 01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:27,160 Speaker 1: I think it's like the music cues coming in and 1493 01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:29,920 Speaker 1: they just aren't they're funny. Like there would be a 1494 01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:31,760 Speaker 1: character that's just like acting in a scene and all 1495 01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:33,880 Speaker 1: of a sudden, he like it turns to slow motion 1496 01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:40,560 Speaker 1: and there's like, oh, I know that's the I know 1497 01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:41,559 Speaker 1: that's from the Little. 1498 01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:43,280 Speaker 2: Murmay you always go to the Little Mermay? 1499 01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:46,360 Speaker 1: I know it's the only it's the only song I 1500 01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:51,400 Speaker 1: can sing operatically. But imagine opera music or like choir 1501 01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:54,360 Speaker 1: music from like a Catholic church while a guy is 1502 01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:57,479 Speaker 1: like slowly pulling a gun and it's like flip it 1503 01:19:57,560 --> 01:20:01,479 Speaker 1: around the room like Dolly's shot, being like who am 1504 01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:06,840 Speaker 1: I gonna shoot in a weird place? Instead of there's 1505 01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:13,080 Speaker 1: the scene with the toilet, the toilet thing, I don't 1506 01:20:13,080 --> 01:20:15,400 Speaker 1: even know what to say about it. It's basically like 1507 01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:22,160 Speaker 1: they're they're the McManus brothers are are basically chained to 1508 01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:24,040 Speaker 1: a toilet in a bathroom. 1509 01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:26,080 Speaker 3: Connor is chained to a toilet. 1510 01:20:26,280 --> 01:20:26,519 Speaker 2: Wow. 1511 01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:30,160 Speaker 3: Yes, Murphy is being dragged away because these bad guys 1512 01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:33,639 Speaker 3: who have caught up with them from the Russian mob. Yes, 1513 01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:36,000 Speaker 3: are like, we're gonna kill your brother and then we're 1514 01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:37,080 Speaker 3: gonna come back and kill you. 1515 01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:37,960 Speaker 2: Yes. 1516 01:20:38,280 --> 01:20:44,200 Speaker 3: And Connor in response, rips the toilet out of the 1517 01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:46,280 Speaker 3: ground with his bare fucking hands. 1518 01:20:48,240 --> 01:20:52,320 Speaker 2: Connor is the Sean Patrick Flattery character. 1519 01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:57,240 Speaker 3: Yes, right, just bare hand rips the toilet. Doesn't end there, 1520 01:20:57,880 --> 01:20:59,440 Speaker 3: carries the toilet. 1521 01:20:59,160 --> 01:21:01,720 Speaker 2: Up to the roof of the building and drops it 1522 01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:05,880 Speaker 2: on one of the dudes while also jumping from the building. 1523 01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:12,519 Speaker 3: Like ten stories, this is almost verbatim a story that 1524 01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:14,800 Speaker 3: my brother and his fucking friends came up with when 1525 01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:15,720 Speaker 3: they were nine years old. 1526 01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:18,719 Speaker 1: Oh, I was gonna say, like bare minimum, a seventeen 1527 01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:23,040 Speaker 1: year old boy wrote this, wrote this film. It's and 1528 01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:27,439 Speaker 1: then imagine that happening while like this like techno music 1529 01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:29,679 Speaker 1: of the like it's like the basement Jacks or something 1530 01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:30,719 Speaker 1: that is playing in the background. 1531 01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:32,840 Speaker 2: It's like so insane. But that's what I mean. It's 1532 01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:34,880 Speaker 2: so over the top, highly. 1533 01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:39,280 Speaker 1: Stylized, but obvious, like obvious nods to other works. So 1534 01:21:39,479 --> 01:21:41,720 Speaker 1: you're just sitting in this moment going like, oh my god, 1535 01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:44,519 Speaker 1: it's like a watch and a guy who completely has 1536 01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:47,800 Speaker 1: ripped off other films, and not even in a fun 1537 01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:50,679 Speaker 1: way like most filmmakers when they rip off other films 1538 01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:55,040 Speaker 1: in like a very obvious, you know, kind of kind 1539 01:21:55,080 --> 01:21:55,960 Speaker 1: of eye rolling way. 1540 01:21:56,160 --> 01:21:56,320 Speaker 3: Right. 1541 01:21:57,280 --> 01:21:59,960 Speaker 2: Another thing I have to mention is that Ron Jeremy 1542 01:22:00,280 --> 01:22:00,840 Speaker 2: in this movie. 1543 01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:04,080 Speaker 1: And I was like the moment I saw him, he's 1544 01:22:04,120 --> 01:22:06,640 Speaker 1: playing you know, uh, somebody that's part of one of 1545 01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:09,760 Speaker 1: the criminal many criminal organizations that want to kill the 1546 01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:13,680 Speaker 1: McManus brothers, right, And I was like gross, Like I 1547 01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:15,519 Speaker 1: just when I saw him, I was like, okay, this 1548 01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:18,479 Speaker 1: movie has moved into gross territory for me, you know 1549 01:22:18,479 --> 01:22:19,360 Speaker 1: what I meant. 1550 01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:22,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, instantly fucking disgusting. 1551 01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:22,599 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1552 01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:25,240 Speaker 1: I was like, that's what I was rocketed back to 1553 01:22:25,479 --> 01:22:29,519 Speaker 1: the fucking like late nineties of the like Ron Jeremy Worship, 1554 01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:34,440 Speaker 1: The Girl's Gone Wild, the Kid Rock, the Freaking Woodstock ninety. 1555 01:22:34,280 --> 01:22:34,680 Speaker 2: Nine of it. 1556 01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:37,760 Speaker 1: And I was like, Okay, now I know where I'm at, 1557 01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:42,200 Speaker 1: and I lived through that era and I hate I 1558 01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:46,000 Speaker 1: hated it, So there we go. But yeah, so they're 1559 01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:48,719 Speaker 1: kind of just traversing this like the streets of Boston, 1560 01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:52,880 Speaker 1: and they're just trying to clean it, clean everybody up. Okay, Stylistically, 1561 01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:55,599 Speaker 1: there is just so much going on. They're putting pennies 1562 01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:59,120 Speaker 1: over people's eyes. That is a thing that I know 1563 01:22:59,320 --> 01:23:01,960 Speaker 1: is some there's some kind of historical tie. 1564 01:23:02,120 --> 01:23:04,960 Speaker 3: But I was like, oh, and they tried, the cops 1565 01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:06,680 Speaker 3: try to figure it out in the film, like oh 1566 01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:08,320 Speaker 3: what could these pennies mean? And I'm like, can we 1567 01:23:08,439 --> 01:23:11,439 Speaker 3: move it the fuck along? Nobody cares too many details. 1568 01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:16,280 Speaker 1: Also, anytime they establish a new bad guy that might 1569 01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:18,679 Speaker 1: be like on their hit list, there's like a lower 1570 01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:21,679 Speaker 1: third that pops up and I just laugh. 1571 01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:24,360 Speaker 3: And part of it is that they're using a lifetime 1572 01:23:24,439 --> 01:23:25,040 Speaker 3: movie font. 1573 01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:28,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so weird. 1574 01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:32,960 Speaker 3: Doesn't help, doesn't help. They didn't have a font budget, 1575 01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:33,960 Speaker 3: that's for fucking sure. 1576 01:23:34,720 --> 01:23:39,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, son, I can't even like, I'm not gonna hit 1577 01:23:39,160 --> 01:23:40,920 Speaker 1: too many more beats of this film, because I swear 1578 01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:42,080 Speaker 1: to god, I could talk about this forever. 1579 01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:44,320 Speaker 2: So basically, like you've got all these like really bad 1580 01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:45,760 Speaker 2: stylistic choices, like the. 1581 01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:48,479 Speaker 1: Black and white with the hymns and the prayers and 1582 01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:52,120 Speaker 1: the pennies and like, you know, the like they're literally 1583 01:23:52,280 --> 01:23:54,040 Speaker 1: like about to shoot a guy in the fucking face 1584 01:23:54,040 --> 01:23:57,200 Speaker 1: and they're like, forgive me, father, for I have sees 1585 01:23:57,280 --> 01:23:57,599 Speaker 1: or whatever. 1586 01:23:59,400 --> 01:24:03,080 Speaker 2: They're like a father who aren't in heaven. Hello be 1587 01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:05,000 Speaker 2: they name like. 1588 01:24:05,479 --> 01:24:11,479 Speaker 3: No oh, and don't forget that the tattoos that they 1589 01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:13,640 Speaker 3: have on their hands that are like veritas. 1590 01:24:14,080 --> 01:24:16,439 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that vers tattoo. 1591 01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:21,400 Speaker 1: I mean again, it is so chaotic, so silistically chaotic 1592 01:24:22,479 --> 01:24:26,759 Speaker 1: I have to talk about So basically, you know, Rocko 1593 01:24:28,040 --> 01:24:31,480 Speaker 1: makes the decision that he's like his bosses are treating. 1594 01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:33,479 Speaker 2: Him like the Fredo Like. He was like, oh, I'm Freido. 1595 01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:34,800 Speaker 2: Fuck these people. 1596 01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:39,040 Speaker 1: So he decides to join the McManus brothers in their 1597 01:24:39,080 --> 01:24:41,320 Speaker 1: pursuit of like getting the bad guys off the street. Okay, 1598 01:24:42,160 --> 01:24:46,760 Speaker 1: At a certain point, one of the criminal organizations is like, 1599 01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:49,200 Speaker 1: these guys are too good. They're too good, they're killing 1600 01:24:49,280 --> 01:24:52,559 Speaker 1: too many people. We got to bring in the big guns, okay, 1601 01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:57,120 Speaker 1: And I swear to God when this scene happens, I screamed. 1602 01:24:59,560 --> 01:25:01,880 Speaker 1: So they they call up one of these like old 1603 01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:04,960 Speaker 1: Hitman criminal guys from back in the day. 1604 01:25:05,240 --> 01:25:08,320 Speaker 2: He's a legend. He's like the Hannibal Lecter of Hitman 1605 01:25:08,600 --> 01:25:09,320 Speaker 2: or something. 1606 01:25:10,680 --> 01:25:15,799 Speaker 1: To the point which they he's on he's getting paroled 1607 01:25:17,080 --> 01:25:19,479 Speaker 1: and they there's a scene where they pull him down 1608 01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:22,240 Speaker 1: from like the Hannibal Lecter section of the jail and 1609 01:25:22,360 --> 01:25:23,640 Speaker 1: he and he has to stand in front of the 1610 01:25:23,680 --> 01:25:26,599 Speaker 1: parole board and like a human sized bird cage. 1611 01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:32,840 Speaker 2: Ah, Like, I was screaming. 1612 01:25:32,479 --> 01:25:34,800 Speaker 1: Laughing when they pan up and it's like, this guy 1613 01:25:34,920 --> 01:25:37,400 Speaker 1: is standing in a human sized bird cage in front 1614 01:25:37,439 --> 01:25:40,680 Speaker 1: of like the pard What in the fuck is this like? 1615 01:25:40,920 --> 01:25:44,120 Speaker 2: And then these legends are You're gonna lose your mind 1616 01:25:44,240 --> 01:25:46,240 Speaker 2: again when they show you who it is. 1617 01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:51,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, And as it's revealed, this legendary psycho is. 1618 01:25:53,320 --> 01:25:54,760 Speaker 2: Billy Connolly, a. 1619 01:25:54,840 --> 01:25:59,240 Speaker 3: Comedian, a poet, a genuinely lovely guy. Yes, And they 1620 01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:02,680 Speaker 3: pan up and he's like, I'm the motherfucker and you're like, 1621 01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:06,560 Speaker 3: are you? Are you? I'm already laughing, And it's not 1622 01:26:06,720 --> 01:26:09,640 Speaker 3: because I dislike Billy Connolly. It's because it is a 1623 01:26:09,960 --> 01:26:12,080 Speaker 3: fucking insane choice for this character. 1624 01:26:12,600 --> 01:26:18,880 Speaker 1: Yes, it's it is. It's like, yeah, imagine going through 1625 01:26:18,920 --> 01:26:21,839 Speaker 1: all the pomp and circumstance of introducing this like really 1626 01:26:22,120 --> 01:26:23,479 Speaker 1: like intense character. 1627 01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:29,480 Speaker 2: And then it's like Rob Schneider or like Hollie Mandel. 1628 01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:30,200 Speaker 3: Like what. 1629 01:26:32,520 --> 01:26:35,200 Speaker 2: They put this guy in a fucking bird cage for 1630 01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:37,160 Speaker 2: human it's so insane. 1631 01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:40,200 Speaker 3: It's tickle me Elmo in a human bird cage. 1632 01:26:40,439 --> 01:26:41,000 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 1633 01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:44,280 Speaker 1: And then I'm not gonna give it away obviously, but 1634 01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:47,200 Speaker 1: he's actually more involved with the McManus brothers than we 1635 01:26:47,280 --> 01:26:47,760 Speaker 1: ever thought. 1636 01:26:48,040 --> 01:26:50,120 Speaker 3: Oh give it away. We don't make these people watch 1637 01:26:50,160 --> 01:26:50,800 Speaker 3: this fucking movie. 1638 01:26:51,200 --> 01:26:57,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, anyway, they're related. Basically, he is one of them. 1639 01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:03,320 Speaker 1: He is also a batman, a boss batman, and it 1640 01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:06,240 Speaker 1: just goes chaotic from there. I mean, so you got 1641 01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:09,000 Speaker 1: the Willem Defoe character having a full crisis of faith. 1642 01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:11,400 Speaker 1: He ends up in a confessional, and then there's this 1643 01:27:11,720 --> 01:27:15,360 Speaker 1: scene where it's like a Russian nesting doll of guys 1644 01:27:15,479 --> 01:27:20,840 Speaker 1: holding guns to another guy's head, like through the confessional booth, 1645 01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:23,240 Speaker 1: where it's like I'm holding a gun to your head 1646 01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:24,760 Speaker 1: and you're holding a gun to the pre set. 1647 01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:26,160 Speaker 2: It's so insane. 1648 01:27:26,840 --> 01:27:32,439 Speaker 1: Right, there is a scene to which boggled my mind 1649 01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:36,240 Speaker 1: where Rocco and the brothers are like they are in 1650 01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:39,840 Speaker 1: a firefight with I think it's the Billy Connley character, 1651 01:27:39,880 --> 01:27:42,000 Speaker 1: and they go back to the They go back to 1652 01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:44,760 Speaker 1: the apartment and they're ironing each other. I'm like, why 1653 01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:46,080 Speaker 1: are they ironing each other? 1654 01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:47,200 Speaker 2: What is this about? 1655 01:27:48,320 --> 01:27:48,559 Speaker 3: Shit? 1656 01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:51,960 Speaker 2: An actual iron, Like you're ironing. 1657 01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:54,920 Speaker 3: Each other's flesh straight on the flesh, which, by the way, 1658 01:27:55,080 --> 01:27:57,320 Speaker 3: wouldn't work in so many ways because you don't want 1659 01:27:57,479 --> 01:28:00,080 Speaker 3: old flesh melting onto an iron that you're gonna and 1660 01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:01,320 Speaker 3: put on somebody else's body. 1661 01:28:04,760 --> 01:28:06,760 Speaker 2: I was like, what is is this a ritual? Why 1662 01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:09,040 Speaker 2: are they ironing each other? And that's not even a 1663 01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:11,320 Speaker 2: smart way to cauterize a wound. You'd be better off 1664 01:28:11,400 --> 01:28:13,120 Speaker 2: using the stove. I mean, I. 1665 01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:18,400 Speaker 1: Cannot understand any of it, like it there's just so 1666 01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:21,960 Speaker 1: there's just so many scenes of ridiculousness. 1667 01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:26,040 Speaker 2: The courtroom scene at the end is so insane. We 1668 01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:29,759 Speaker 2: were like, that would never happen in a millionaires. 1669 01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:35,400 Speaker 1: But also just the most ridiculous stylistic like again, the 1670 01:28:35,680 --> 01:28:41,360 Speaker 1: John wu Tarantino stuff, I mean just is so completely bonkers. 1671 01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:44,000 Speaker 2: Honestly, let me let me I'll just say this. 1672 01:28:45,560 --> 01:28:47,640 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you have any other thoughts or 1673 01:28:47,680 --> 01:28:51,599 Speaker 1: any any other points that stuck out to you, because 1674 01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:54,160 Speaker 1: I could really go on forever, like every scene is 1675 01:28:54,240 --> 01:28:59,120 Speaker 1: another gift in terms of hilarity. But the only thing 1676 01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:01,439 Speaker 1: that I thought about, and I will after watching this film, 1677 01:29:01,520 --> 01:29:05,000 Speaker 1: it's like they should have never let this man direct 1678 01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:07,400 Speaker 1: this film. Okay, they should have never let it happen, 1679 01:29:07,479 --> 01:29:10,160 Speaker 1: because I will say, I will argue this if they 1680 01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:13,439 Speaker 1: had let somebody else direct it, like even like a 1681 01:29:13,479 --> 01:29:15,960 Speaker 1: Scorsese or a Michael Mann. I know I'm saying big 1682 01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:19,599 Speaker 1: words here, but like it might actually be compelling, right 1683 01:29:19,840 --> 01:29:24,000 Speaker 1: if you take the general seed of what this movie 1684 01:29:24,160 --> 01:29:26,640 Speaker 1: is and you just kind of finesse it and let 1685 01:29:26,760 --> 01:29:29,880 Speaker 1: like just kind of create like a good little story 1686 01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:32,160 Speaker 1: around it, and then get like a really you know, 1687 01:29:32,840 --> 01:29:36,000 Speaker 1: good director who make these type of films. Normally, it 1688 01:29:36,120 --> 01:29:38,000 Speaker 1: might actually have been a good movie. But the fact 1689 01:29:38,040 --> 01:29:40,880 Speaker 1: that they just like let it have everything that is 1690 01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:41,960 Speaker 1: the problem to me. 1691 01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:44,439 Speaker 3: And they needed a fucking rewrite. They needed a writer 1692 01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:49,960 Speaker 3: who could actually develop the characters beyond give them a gun. Yeah, 1693 01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:52,720 Speaker 3: Like the guns can't do all the emotional development of 1694 01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:53,400 Speaker 3: your character. 1695 01:29:54,000 --> 01:29:57,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Well, and again I'm. 1696 01:29:58,720 --> 01:30:01,120 Speaker 1: This is another case of like there's a movie that 1697 01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:06,040 Speaker 1: I totally understand why it's a cult movie, because it 1698 01:30:06,200 --> 01:30:07,640 Speaker 1: is absolutely ridiculous. 1699 01:30:09,080 --> 01:30:12,800 Speaker 2: Do I want to see it again? I don't think 1700 01:30:12,880 --> 01:30:14,479 Speaker 2: I do. I don't think I do. 1701 01:30:15,400 --> 01:30:18,240 Speaker 1: I can't not to say that I don't understand why 1702 01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:23,360 Speaker 1: it's funny. I totally, I totally understand why people like 1703 01:30:23,560 --> 01:30:26,400 Speaker 1: would enjoy something like this. I mean, far be it 1704 01:30:26,479 --> 01:30:29,880 Speaker 1: for me to take away your enjoyment of something like this. However, 1705 01:30:30,600 --> 01:30:34,320 Speaker 1: I think I'm just too I was too late to 1706 01:30:34,400 --> 01:30:37,799 Speaker 1: the party, way way way too late to the party. 1707 01:30:38,840 --> 01:30:41,160 Speaker 1: I shouldn't have watched that documentary, even though I'm glad 1708 01:30:41,200 --> 01:30:46,080 Speaker 1: I did, because the documentary is it's own weird artifact, 1709 01:30:47,080 --> 01:30:49,880 Speaker 1: almost kind of like a Monto film in its own right. 1710 01:30:50,040 --> 01:30:51,040 Speaker 2: So that's it. 1711 01:30:51,240 --> 01:30:55,080 Speaker 1: I mean, this is like, I'm sorry that I just 1712 01:30:55,240 --> 01:30:57,120 Speaker 1: like had to put out all these thoughts about this 1713 01:30:57,200 --> 01:30:57,720 Speaker 1: movie this week. 1714 01:30:58,200 --> 01:30:58,800 Speaker 3: I just had to. 1715 01:30:58,920 --> 01:31:01,040 Speaker 2: I had to finally see it. We had to tackle it, 1716 01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:03,000 Speaker 2: and it's put you have. 1717 01:31:03,520 --> 01:31:05,479 Speaker 3: I'm glad you have the reference point, and I'm going 1718 01:31:05,560 --> 01:31:07,639 Speaker 3: to be so much more direct. This is the worst 1719 01:31:07,640 --> 01:31:13,280 Speaker 3: fucking movie I've ever seen in my goddamn life. There 1720 01:31:13,360 --> 01:31:18,360 Speaker 3: is no saving it. It is the highest example of 1721 01:31:18,479 --> 01:31:23,280 Speaker 3: hubrists we have in Hollywood. H Yeah, and I think 1722 01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:28,639 Speaker 3: it is unsalvagibly bad. Yeah, and I think that what's 1723 01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:31,120 Speaker 3: even more offensive to me is that people who like 1724 01:31:31,240 --> 01:31:34,200 Speaker 3: it don't like it in that Tommy Wiseau the Room way. 1725 01:31:34,600 --> 01:31:36,720 Speaker 3: They actually think it's a good fucking movie, which is 1726 01:31:36,760 --> 01:31:37,519 Speaker 3: so offensive to me. 1727 01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:38,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1728 01:31:38,240 --> 01:31:42,080 Speaker 1: That was a little like perplexing because I was, you know, 1729 01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:44,719 Speaker 1: I went a letterbox obviously, and was like, what are people? 1730 01:31:44,760 --> 01:31:47,759 Speaker 1: What do my peers think of Boondock Saints? Many people 1731 01:31:48,080 --> 01:31:50,360 Speaker 1: had watched it but refuse to weigh in on it, 1732 01:31:50,439 --> 01:31:53,280 Speaker 1: which I always think is really interesting when like all 1733 01:31:53,360 --> 01:31:55,640 Speaker 1: of your friends had watched a movie but nobody has 1734 01:31:55,800 --> 01:31:57,040 Speaker 1: rated it or reviewed it. 1735 01:31:57,120 --> 01:32:02,719 Speaker 2: I'm like, uhuh like silence is uh is my answer. 1736 01:32:03,120 --> 01:32:07,120 Speaker 3: And I'm imagining actual Hannibal Lecter sitting down in his 1737 01:32:07,240 --> 01:32:11,120 Speaker 3: cell watching this movie being like, I fucking love the violence, 1738 01:32:11,439 --> 01:32:16,040 Speaker 3: like actual killer is being like, that's a good idea. 1739 01:32:16,080 --> 01:32:18,639 Speaker 3: I should spin down from the ceiling with a rope 1740 01:32:18,680 --> 01:32:21,280 Speaker 3: tighter on my ankle and then waste the whole room. 1741 01:32:22,040 --> 01:32:24,960 Speaker 2: Oh yeah that How How did I forget? 1742 01:32:25,040 --> 01:32:28,559 Speaker 1: There was a scene where they were both suspended upside 1743 01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:32,800 Speaker 1: down with ropes and they were shooting like hanging from 1744 01:32:32,880 --> 01:32:33,320 Speaker 1: the ceiling. 1745 01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:38,800 Speaker 2: Oh my god, dude, this we gotta stop talking about 1746 01:32:38,800 --> 01:32:40,240 Speaker 2: this movie. I know, I know, and like. 1747 01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:44,040 Speaker 1: We need to move on to your film, which is 1748 01:32:44,360 --> 01:32:47,960 Speaker 1: I feel like is almost the complete opposite in terms 1749 01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:50,040 Speaker 1: of esteem and reputation. 1750 01:32:51,400 --> 01:32:52,479 Speaker 2: And like I said, this. 1751 01:32:52,640 --> 01:32:56,000 Speaker 3: Movie, your movie happened because my movie happened, and everyone 1752 01:32:56,120 --> 01:32:58,360 Speaker 3: was like, we can just recreate the magic with anyone 1753 01:32:58,439 --> 01:33:03,519 Speaker 3: from Boston. That is not the fucking case, as we 1754 01:33:03,640 --> 01:33:13,280 Speaker 3: have proven with your thesis of the Boondocks Aints. My 1755 01:33:13,560 --> 01:33:19,200 Speaker 3: movie was released in nineteen ninety seven. It was directed 1756 01:33:19,240 --> 01:33:22,519 Speaker 3: by Gus Van Sant, the screenplays by Matt Damon and 1757 01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:26,479 Speaker 3: Ben Affleck. And my movie is Goodwill Hunting. And you're 1758 01:33:26,560 --> 01:33:28,280 Speaker 3: sitting on a one and lotter, which I could I 1759 01:33:28,400 --> 01:33:30,439 Speaker 3: do anything to happen with truth, I'm going to give 1760 01:33:30,439 --> 01:33:35,800 Speaker 3: you a one sentence synopsis. An emotionally volatile, self taught 1761 01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:41,680 Speaker 3: genius Janitor learns through therapy with Mork from work, how 1762 01:33:41,720 --> 01:33:44,320 Speaker 3: to break the cycles that have kept his life on 1763 01:33:44,400 --> 01:33:49,240 Speaker 3: a downward trajectory, while simultaneously realizing that his tracksuit wearing 1764 01:33:49,320 --> 01:33:50,840 Speaker 3: best friend is the love of his life. 1765 01:33:51,479 --> 01:33:57,880 Speaker 2: Ah Ah, I have to say I love that because 1766 01:33:57,920 --> 01:33:59,479 Speaker 2: to me. That is what this movie is about. 1767 01:33:59,520 --> 01:34:02,559 Speaker 3: It is about pairing toxic masculinity and realizing that your 1768 01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:06,519 Speaker 3: friendships are just as important as your romantic relationships. That 1769 01:34:06,720 --> 01:34:08,640 Speaker 3: is a thesis that I will write when I go 1770 01:34:08,720 --> 01:34:09,519 Speaker 3: back to grad school. 1771 01:34:10,040 --> 01:34:12,560 Speaker 1: Well, and that was so funny that you say that, 1772 01:34:12,560 --> 01:34:15,000 Speaker 1: because I kept thinking to myself rewatching this movie. I 1773 01:34:15,080 --> 01:34:17,960 Speaker 1: was like, they should always let gay guys make movies 1774 01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:18,800 Speaker 1: about straight guys. 1775 01:34:21,640 --> 01:34:27,000 Speaker 3: Ah, I would be so down, I would be so dead. 1776 01:34:27,320 --> 01:34:30,680 Speaker 3: So this movie was nominated for nine Academy Awards. It 1777 01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:33,800 Speaker 3: won Best Supporting Actor, Robin Williams won one Best Supporting Actor, 1778 01:34:34,280 --> 01:34:37,680 Speaker 3: and Matt Damon and Ben Affleck won Best Original Screenplay. 1779 01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:40,880 Speaker 3: They famously took their moms with them as their dates. 1780 01:34:40,680 --> 01:34:41,520 Speaker 2: Which was adorable. 1781 01:34:42,320 --> 01:34:45,120 Speaker 3: Danny Elfman did the score to this movie, and I 1782 01:34:45,280 --> 01:34:48,640 Speaker 3: forgot I remembered Miss Misery, the song Miss Misery. I 1783 01:34:48,760 --> 01:34:50,040 Speaker 3: forgot how much Elliot. 1784 01:34:49,920 --> 01:34:52,160 Speaker 2: Smith was in the rest of this movie. I did too. 1785 01:34:52,760 --> 01:34:56,880 Speaker 3: The lore of this film is rooted in the fact 1786 01:34:56,920 --> 01:35:00,479 Speaker 3: that it was an overnight success story for Damon and 1787 01:35:00,520 --> 01:35:02,599 Speaker 3: Ben Affleck, even though that's not entirely true. This movie 1788 01:35:02,640 --> 01:35:05,120 Speaker 3: took four years to make and they went through a 1789 01:35:05,200 --> 01:35:08,120 Speaker 3: very similar trajectory that Troy Duffy went through, which was 1790 01:35:08,160 --> 01:35:11,080 Speaker 3: that the movie was originally sold to Castle Rock Entertainment, 1791 01:35:11,800 --> 01:35:14,559 Speaker 3: was put in turnaround and was like, you know, kind 1792 01:35:14,600 --> 01:35:18,519 Speaker 3: of Hammon and Han. They had creative differences about Affleck 1793 01:35:18,640 --> 01:35:20,600 Speaker 3: and Damon acting in it, and who was going to 1794 01:35:20,680 --> 01:35:22,200 Speaker 3: direct it and who was good. They just had a 1795 01:35:22,240 --> 01:35:26,559 Speaker 3: bunch of creative differences, and eventually Mirramax stepped in because 1796 01:35:26,720 --> 01:35:31,439 Speaker 3: Affleck and Damon were working with Kevin Smith, and Kevin 1797 01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:33,600 Speaker 3: Smith basically was like, I love this, I'm going to 1798 01:35:33,640 --> 01:35:39,160 Speaker 3: pass it on to Miramax. However, Weinstein and they kind 1799 01:35:39,200 --> 01:35:41,560 Speaker 3: of set the deal from there and Miramax had to 1800 01:35:41,640 --> 01:35:44,000 Speaker 3: buy them out of their deal with Castle Rock essentially. 1801 01:35:44,400 --> 01:35:46,760 Speaker 3: But that's kind of rare because usually in Hollywood, the 1802 01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:49,160 Speaker 3: way it works is like if something makes the rounds 1803 01:35:49,320 --> 01:35:52,360 Speaker 3: once and everyone's excited about it and everyone wants to 1804 01:35:52,439 --> 01:35:55,760 Speaker 3: do it, it comes back again. It's kind of poisonous, 1805 01:35:55,840 --> 01:35:58,360 Speaker 3: like there's a reason why it hasn't been made. So 1806 01:35:58,479 --> 01:36:01,280 Speaker 3: it's interesting, and I think a mark of their persistence 1807 01:36:01,320 --> 01:36:02,880 Speaker 3: that they were able to kind of fight through the 1808 01:36:02,960 --> 01:36:05,519 Speaker 3: bullshit of getting it made and actually get the movie 1809 01:36:06,080 --> 01:36:10,360 Speaker 3: produced and basically there's a lot of really funny stories 1810 01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:11,439 Speaker 3: that I read about it. 1811 01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:12,400 Speaker 2: There's actually an. 1812 01:36:12,479 --> 01:36:16,280 Speaker 3: Oral history of Goodwill Hunting that was published in January 1813 01:36:16,360 --> 01:36:19,360 Speaker 3: twenty thirteen in Boston Magazine that I actually read. 1814 01:36:20,040 --> 01:36:25,759 Speaker 2: Okay, oh, okay, you heard this. You heard that Danielle 1815 01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:27,519 Speaker 2: Henderson read an oral history of a movie. 1816 01:36:29,760 --> 01:36:31,640 Speaker 3: I read the oral history of this movie because I 1817 01:36:31,840 --> 01:36:34,599 Speaker 3: goddamn fascinated by sad ass bed Aflag. 1818 01:36:37,160 --> 01:36:40,519 Speaker 2: These jock nerd fucking dudes fascinate me. I do not 1819 01:36:40,720 --> 01:36:41,000 Speaker 2: know why. 1820 01:36:41,040 --> 01:36:43,439 Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to talk about it in therapy. But 1821 01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:46,439 Speaker 3: they basically were like, oh, we know that people are 1822 01:36:46,479 --> 01:36:49,080 Speaker 3: not reading the script at Castle Rock because we keep 1823 01:36:49,160 --> 01:36:53,200 Speaker 3: putting in scenes where Will and Chucky were giving each 1824 01:36:53,200 --> 01:36:57,559 Speaker 3: other blowjobs and nobody was commenting on it, and they 1825 01:36:57,600 --> 01:37:00,400 Speaker 3: were intentionally doing it to be like the fuck. 1826 01:37:00,439 --> 01:37:02,080 Speaker 2: And then when they went to Mirramax, Mirri. 1827 01:37:01,960 --> 01:37:04,120 Speaker 3: Max was like, uh, yeah, we got to change this 1828 01:37:04,200 --> 01:37:05,960 Speaker 3: one thing and definitely take out all the scenes of 1829 01:37:05,960 --> 01:37:07,719 Speaker 3: the blowjobs. And they're like, all right, fine, we found 1830 01:37:07,800 --> 01:37:08,160 Speaker 3: our home. 1831 01:37:08,360 --> 01:37:10,080 Speaker 2: Like they actually are looking at it and reading it. 1832 01:37:10,640 --> 01:37:13,240 Speaker 3: But they fought to star in the film because nobody 1833 01:37:13,400 --> 01:37:15,400 Speaker 3: and they were actors like they were you know, smaller 1834 01:37:15,479 --> 01:37:18,360 Speaker 3: actors and doing you know bit, you know bit parts 1835 01:37:18,439 --> 01:37:21,080 Speaker 3: at that point. But they wanted to act in it. 1836 01:37:21,160 --> 01:37:22,840 Speaker 3: And they were also kind of up against the clock 1837 01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:24,479 Speaker 3: because they're like, look, there's going to be a point 1838 01:37:24,520 --> 01:37:26,519 Speaker 3: where we are going to be so old that it 1839 01:37:26,520 --> 01:37:27,920 Speaker 3: won't make sense for us to star in it. 1840 01:37:28,360 --> 01:37:30,479 Speaker 2: So we have to get this movie made. 1841 01:37:30,720 --> 01:37:35,680 Speaker 3: So again comes about while Damon is taking this screenwriting 1842 01:37:35,720 --> 01:37:38,880 Speaker 3: class in at Harvard and then he moves out to 1843 01:37:38,920 --> 01:37:41,800 Speaker 3: California and sleeping on Ben Affleck's floor, and he's like, hey, 1844 01:37:41,840 --> 01:37:44,559 Speaker 3: would you help me turn this into a real thing? 1845 01:37:45,320 --> 01:37:47,880 Speaker 3: And they did, and so once Castle Rock was out 1846 01:37:47,920 --> 01:37:50,640 Speaker 3: of the picture and Merrimac stepped in. It's kind of 1847 01:37:50,680 --> 01:37:53,680 Speaker 3: a sweet detail to me considering who they became. But 1848 01:37:53,800 --> 01:37:56,040 Speaker 3: they had their first meeting with Gus van Sand at 1849 01:37:56,120 --> 01:37:59,200 Speaker 3: the Denny's on Sunset because they just had no frame 1850 01:37:59,280 --> 01:38:06,080 Speaker 3: of reference for what is that Gower Studios? Yeah wow, Yeah, 1851 01:38:06,160 --> 01:38:08,320 Speaker 3: which is so like, we'll go to Denny's because that's. 1852 01:38:08,200 --> 01:38:10,679 Speaker 2: Where we go. It's kind of adorable. 1853 01:38:11,600 --> 01:38:14,800 Speaker 3: And then they also brought in Robin Williams and during 1854 01:38:14,840 --> 01:38:17,519 Speaker 3: this oral history that I read, he said that the 1855 01:38:17,600 --> 01:38:20,000 Speaker 3: Shawn character had such a history and he was so 1856 01:38:20,200 --> 01:38:23,040 Speaker 3: interested in where that came from, and then he found 1857 01:38:23,040 --> 01:38:26,560 Speaker 3: out later about Matt Damon's mother, Ben Affleck's father, and 1858 01:38:26,680 --> 01:38:28,920 Speaker 3: how he was kind of the synthesis of these two 1859 01:38:29,520 --> 01:38:33,120 Speaker 3: characters from their real life. So the movie for me 1860 01:38:33,479 --> 01:38:37,680 Speaker 3: is an it's an interesting look at class through the 1861 01:38:37,760 --> 01:38:43,080 Speaker 3: lens of nature versus nurture, but it's also like a 1862 01:38:43,320 --> 01:38:47,040 Speaker 3: lesson on the importance and the prevalence of shame, because 1863 01:38:47,040 --> 01:38:53,040 Speaker 3: I think shame is the most like powerful emotion, and 1864 01:38:53,360 --> 01:38:56,200 Speaker 3: it ruins people's lives, and it ruins their desire and 1865 01:38:56,320 --> 01:38:59,519 Speaker 3: it keeps people stunted. And I'm talking about myself here 1866 01:38:59,520 --> 01:39:02,880 Speaker 3: in a lot of ways too. Shame is fascinating to me, 1867 01:39:03,520 --> 01:39:05,720 Speaker 3: not all, not just the movie Shame, which I've made 1868 01:39:05,800 --> 01:39:08,960 Speaker 3: Milly watch early on in our podcast, thank you, but 1869 01:39:09,280 --> 01:39:13,400 Speaker 3: actual like not just Steve McQueen Shame, but actual shame. 1870 01:39:13,720 --> 01:39:16,160 Speaker 3: The emotion of shame is so fucking interesting to me. 1871 01:39:16,680 --> 01:39:16,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1872 01:39:17,360 --> 01:39:21,400 Speaker 3: So we have our title character, Will Will Hunting, who 1873 01:39:21,479 --> 01:39:24,679 Speaker 3: lives in this rundown studio apartment filled to the broom 1874 01:39:24,720 --> 01:39:27,400 Speaker 3: with books. He's writing equations on the wall. He's a 1875 01:39:27,479 --> 01:39:32,160 Speaker 3: speed reader, and he's a janitor at MIT. He studies 1876 01:39:32,280 --> 01:39:36,200 Speaker 3: organic chemistry for fun. So he's he's a natural genius. 1877 01:39:36,400 --> 01:39:38,360 Speaker 3: Like he is, it's just the way he is built. 1878 01:39:38,800 --> 01:39:42,479 Speaker 3: But he is also a thug from South Boston, And 1879 01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:47,120 Speaker 3: rather than cancel each other out, both of these aspects 1880 01:39:47,240 --> 01:39:49,880 Speaker 3: live within him in such a disturbing and volatile way. 1881 01:39:50,680 --> 01:39:53,200 Speaker 3: And he's like he's never at peace with himself, and 1882 01:39:53,280 --> 01:39:56,759 Speaker 3: he doesn't understand himself, and he's angry at the world 1883 01:39:56,880 --> 01:40:00,240 Speaker 3: because of it. So he's using the only outlets life 1884 01:40:00,280 --> 01:40:04,479 Speaker 3: has given him to express that lack of peace that 1885 01:40:04,640 --> 01:40:07,320 Speaker 3: he has and his this fight, this struggle that he 1886 01:40:07,400 --> 01:40:10,479 Speaker 3: has within himself to be this like incredibly smart, brilliant, 1887 01:40:10,920 --> 01:40:15,360 Speaker 3: once in a lifetime brilliant guy, but also to match 1888 01:40:15,439 --> 01:40:20,120 Speaker 3: that with the circumstances of his life. So as the 1889 01:40:20,160 --> 01:40:22,880 Speaker 3: movie goes on, and one thing I love about their portrayal, 1890 01:40:23,160 --> 01:40:26,880 Speaker 3: the portrayal of Will, is that it feels real to 1891 01:40:27,000 --> 01:40:30,120 Speaker 3: me in a way that somebody who's actually experienced a 1892 01:40:30,240 --> 01:40:34,760 Speaker 3: monica of poverty understands, Like his apartment inside and out 1893 01:40:36,040 --> 01:40:38,200 Speaker 3: are things that I've experienced in my own fucking life. 1894 01:40:38,800 --> 01:40:41,320 Speaker 3: Like it felt very on point to me. It wasn't 1895 01:40:41,400 --> 01:40:43,200 Speaker 3: like a rich person's idea of what it's like to 1896 01:40:43,280 --> 01:40:45,600 Speaker 3: be poor where they still have an eam's chair in 1897 01:40:45,680 --> 01:40:50,640 Speaker 3: the corner, like it was actual poverty, which I think 1898 01:40:50,680 --> 01:40:54,120 Speaker 3: they fucking nailed. And as the movie goes on, you 1899 01:40:54,240 --> 01:40:57,280 Speaker 3: find out that will was in and out of you know, juvenile, 1900 01:40:57,320 --> 01:41:00,519 Speaker 3: the tension, and he came from an extremely physical, abusive 1901 01:41:00,560 --> 01:41:03,519 Speaker 3: household and grew up in foster care as a result, 1902 01:41:03,640 --> 01:41:05,720 Speaker 3: Like he had cigarettes put out on him. There's this 1903 01:41:05,840 --> 01:41:09,120 Speaker 3: one time where he's talking to Sean, the Robin Williams character, 1904 01:41:09,160 --> 01:41:11,320 Speaker 3: who's his therapist, and he's like, yeah, my stepfather used 1905 01:41:11,320 --> 01:41:13,040 Speaker 3: to lay out a wrench, a stick, and a belt 1906 01:41:13,120 --> 01:41:15,920 Speaker 3: on the table and make him choose what he was 1907 01:41:15,960 --> 01:41:19,759 Speaker 3: going to get beat with. And in a really stunning 1908 01:41:19,880 --> 01:41:22,880 Speaker 3: nod to who this character is in such a succinct way, 1909 01:41:23,080 --> 01:41:27,320 Speaker 3: he says, I chose the wrench because fuck you, Like 1910 01:41:27,439 --> 01:41:33,040 Speaker 3: he kind of punishes himself for his own inability to 1911 01:41:33,160 --> 01:41:35,960 Speaker 3: save himself as a child or his own again, this 1912 01:41:36,080 --> 01:41:40,320 Speaker 3: kind of lack of ability to have escaped his own situation. 1913 01:41:41,200 --> 01:41:43,559 Speaker 2: So I just I love that line. Yeah, but it's 1914 01:41:43,560 --> 01:41:46,640 Speaker 2: also really important to like understanding that his defensiveness is 1915 01:41:46,760 --> 01:41:49,240 Speaker 2: not arbitrary, like the world has treated him like a 1916 01:41:49,280 --> 01:41:51,920 Speaker 2: piece of shit, and he just has been acting in kind. 1917 01:41:53,120 --> 01:41:56,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's kind of also like he has a 1918 01:41:56,800 --> 01:42:03,680 Speaker 1: pride in his strength, almost to the point where he 1919 01:42:03,920 --> 01:42:09,639 Speaker 1: can't let it go. Like he's being so strong because 1920 01:42:09,680 --> 01:42:17,559 Speaker 1: his life was so terrible that he can't he doesn't 1921 01:42:17,640 --> 01:42:21,280 Speaker 1: have any kind of way to mediate it, Like he. 1922 01:42:21,320 --> 01:42:22,760 Speaker 2: Always goes for the hardest option. 1923 01:42:23,120 --> 01:42:25,719 Speaker 1: He always goes for the most severe way of handling 1924 01:42:25,800 --> 01:42:28,720 Speaker 1: things because that's all he's known and so. 1925 01:42:28,840 --> 01:42:30,040 Speaker 2: And there, and there's a pride in that. 1926 01:42:30,160 --> 01:42:32,080 Speaker 1: He's like, I'm not gonna let anybody fuck with me 1927 01:42:32,520 --> 01:42:35,880 Speaker 1: to the point where if I have an option to 1928 01:42:36,520 --> 01:42:38,040 Speaker 1: have it easier, I won't take. 1929 01:42:37,960 --> 01:42:41,559 Speaker 3: It absolutely, because that's not where It's not even growth 1930 01:42:41,640 --> 01:42:44,720 Speaker 3: that he's looking for. It's proof that he's tough. It's 1931 01:42:44,760 --> 01:42:48,080 Speaker 3: proof that he's a survivor. Yeah, you're absolutely right about that. 1932 01:42:48,320 --> 01:42:51,240 Speaker 3: And I think that it's it's again, it's an important 1933 01:42:51,280 --> 01:42:54,280 Speaker 3: detail that is not arbitrary, because I know guys like 1934 01:42:54,360 --> 01:42:56,760 Speaker 3: this who are like, you know, my life has been 1935 01:42:56,840 --> 01:43:02,280 Speaker 3: hard and I suffered, and and I'm going to use 1936 01:43:02,360 --> 01:43:06,439 Speaker 3: that as a badge of pride and honor instead of 1937 01:43:06,680 --> 01:43:10,240 Speaker 3: actually addressing or fixing or healing or moving on from 1938 01:43:10,320 --> 01:43:16,679 Speaker 3: this and recognizing that it's actually a deeply sad aspect 1939 01:43:16,760 --> 01:43:18,400 Speaker 3: of my life that I'm still in this, that I'm 1940 01:43:18,479 --> 01:43:20,600 Speaker 3: keeping myself in a place where other people have put me. 1941 01:43:21,360 --> 01:43:22,960 Speaker 3: And I say that because I have been in that 1942 01:43:23,040 --> 01:43:26,320 Speaker 3: position myself, you know, someone who had an incredibly tough 1943 01:43:26,400 --> 01:43:29,439 Speaker 3: childhood and you know, did grow up on welfare and 1944 01:43:29,640 --> 01:43:34,439 Speaker 3: was kind of for a long time thought that my 1945 01:43:34,760 --> 01:43:38,439 Speaker 3: life had to be proof of my survival and that 1946 01:43:39,320 --> 01:43:41,720 Speaker 3: I had to choose a tough option because that's where 1947 01:43:41,880 --> 01:43:45,479 Speaker 3: that's what people would respect. And that people don't respect peace, 1948 01:43:45,680 --> 01:43:49,080 Speaker 3: and people don't respect growth, and they don't respect intelligence, 1949 01:43:49,400 --> 01:43:50,519 Speaker 3: they respect strength. 1950 01:43:51,120 --> 01:43:52,639 Speaker 2: That's what I was kind of taught from the world. 1951 01:43:52,760 --> 01:43:55,840 Speaker 3: So I see a lot of myself in this Will character, 1952 01:43:56,120 --> 01:43:59,480 Speaker 3: weirdly again, always projecting onto Damon and affleck. 1953 01:44:01,080 --> 01:44:03,240 Speaker 1: No, I thought, you know, as just as your friend, 1954 01:44:03,280 --> 01:44:05,360 Speaker 1: I thought you might like to be honest, like I thought, 1955 01:44:05,760 --> 01:44:09,000 Speaker 1: this feels like like a connection point. 1956 01:44:09,200 --> 01:44:10,639 Speaker 2: Of this character for Daniel. 1957 01:44:11,280 --> 01:44:14,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm not like Einstein level genius, but I've 1958 01:44:14,720 --> 01:44:17,320 Speaker 3: always been a very smart person, even when I was 1959 01:44:17,360 --> 01:44:21,760 Speaker 3: a kid, and it was similarly upsetting to me where 1960 01:44:21,800 --> 01:44:24,479 Speaker 3: I'm like, wait, I'm smart. I know how to do this, 1961 01:44:24,600 --> 01:44:26,040 Speaker 3: But you're just looking at the fact that, like, my 1962 01:44:26,120 --> 01:44:28,000 Speaker 3: clothes are dirty because my mom never goes to the 1963 01:44:28,000 --> 01:44:30,240 Speaker 3: fucking laundromat because she gives all her money to my 1964 01:44:30,280 --> 01:44:33,880 Speaker 3: stepfather for drugs. Right, Like, there's also a smart kid 1965 01:44:33,920 --> 01:44:36,479 Speaker 3: in here that you shouldn't give up on so easily. 1966 01:44:36,800 --> 01:44:38,920 Speaker 2: Oh no, of course, of course I made the connection. 1967 01:44:39,040 --> 01:44:44,080 Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, instead of you know, knowing complex 1968 01:44:44,160 --> 01:44:50,479 Speaker 2: mathematical equations, you can recite Shakespeare. Yeah, you're a genius. 1969 01:44:50,840 --> 01:44:55,400 Speaker 2: Don't get it twisted. You are. Thanks, Really, I. 1970 01:44:55,360 --> 01:44:58,000 Speaker 3: Don't even want to tell you. I mean, you've called 1971 01:44:58,040 --> 01:44:59,400 Speaker 3: me a Genie's all you want. But I don't even 1972 01:44:59,439 --> 01:45:02,640 Speaker 3: want to tell you what I tried to fix in 1973 01:45:02,760 --> 01:45:05,519 Speaker 3: my house and how many splinters I got in the process. 1974 01:45:07,840 --> 01:45:09,720 Speaker 3: So before you start calling me a genius, let's look 1975 01:45:09,720 --> 01:45:11,040 Speaker 3: at some of these home repairs. 1976 01:45:11,320 --> 01:45:14,559 Speaker 1: But listen, who knows if Matt Damon was even mopping 1977 01:45:14,600 --> 01:45:18,480 Speaker 1: those floors correctly. Some people have gifts for certain subjects, 1978 01:45:18,560 --> 01:45:21,360 Speaker 1: and I'm just saying, don't sell yourself short. 1979 01:45:21,439 --> 01:45:22,880 Speaker 3: You know what I mean, he wasn't You got to 1980 01:45:22,960 --> 01:45:25,160 Speaker 3: go side to side. You never go back and forth. 1981 01:45:25,360 --> 01:45:27,559 Speaker 3: You push the dirt to the fucking edges, and then 1982 01:45:27,600 --> 01:45:29,160 Speaker 3: you go back at the end and you sweep it 1983 01:45:29,200 --> 01:45:31,760 Speaker 3: all up. That's the fuck, dudes, I will give you 1984 01:45:32,040 --> 01:45:36,679 Speaker 3: life details you never wanted. But also so what's important 1985 01:45:36,720 --> 01:45:38,000 Speaker 3: to me too is that you know you're starting to 1986 01:45:38,080 --> 01:45:41,240 Speaker 3: learn about about Will and he he gets picked up 1987 01:45:41,240 --> 01:45:44,120 Speaker 3: for work every day by Chucky, his best friend, who 1988 01:45:44,280 --> 01:45:49,160 Speaker 3: is played by Ben Affleck. And this is also possibly 1989 01:45:49,200 --> 01:45:51,160 Speaker 3: one of my favorite details of the movie, because if 1990 01:45:51,200 --> 01:45:53,880 Speaker 3: you've never been poor, you don't understand how hard it 1991 01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:56,320 Speaker 3: is to get around. So when people are like, just 1992 01:45:56,360 --> 01:45:58,160 Speaker 3: get a job, and you're like, how do I fucking 1993 01:45:58,280 --> 01:46:00,519 Speaker 3: get there? Like, I don't live in a place with 1994 01:46:00,600 --> 01:46:03,519 Speaker 3: public transportation, I can't afford the bus. Like there's so 1995 01:46:03,760 --> 01:46:09,559 Speaker 3: many steps to fixing yourself and fixing your situation when 1996 01:46:09,600 --> 01:46:10,639 Speaker 3: you're genuinely poor. 1997 01:46:11,640 --> 01:46:14,600 Speaker 2: So I love that they didn't shirk on these details. 1998 01:46:15,160 --> 01:46:17,439 Speaker 3: And it's just quick where Chucky comes and knocks on 1999 01:46:17,520 --> 01:46:19,760 Speaker 3: the door and Will gets gets up and they walk 2000 01:46:19,800 --> 01:46:21,439 Speaker 3: out to the car and he's gonna drop him off 2001 01:46:21,479 --> 01:46:26,000 Speaker 3: for work. And Chucky is fucking great. He is a 2002 01:46:26,160 --> 01:46:29,280 Speaker 3: tracksuit and chain wearing motherfucker. This is something that I 2003 01:46:29,360 --> 01:46:32,120 Speaker 3: know Millie will love. It's Ben Affleck's original Teeth full 2004 01:46:32,200 --> 01:46:34,639 Speaker 3: of Gaps, which I found adorable. 2005 01:46:35,040 --> 01:46:37,639 Speaker 2: Love that I love an original tooth situation. 2006 01:46:38,160 --> 01:46:40,320 Speaker 3: And Chucky is sort of the leader of this four 2007 01:46:40,400 --> 01:46:42,760 Speaker 3: man crew, which includes again like his real life little 2008 01:46:42,760 --> 01:46:46,640 Speaker 3: brother Casey, and also Cole Hauser, who's weirdly hilarious in 2009 01:46:46,720 --> 01:46:47,400 Speaker 3: this fucking movie. 2010 01:46:47,640 --> 01:46:53,519 Speaker 2: Okay, so here's a so. Cole Hauser was also in 2011 01:46:53,720 --> 01:46:56,680 Speaker 2: Days and Confused. I'm sure you probably love that. He 2012 01:46:56,920 --> 01:46:58,320 Speaker 2: was also an asshole. 2013 01:46:58,040 --> 01:47:00,320 Speaker 1: Chalk, but he was a different type of a whole 2014 01:47:00,439 --> 01:47:04,800 Speaker 1: jock than the athletic character was in that movie. 2015 01:47:05,240 --> 01:47:05,439 Speaker 3: Yep. 2016 01:47:05,840 --> 01:47:08,920 Speaker 2: The cole Hauser jock in Daisy Confuse was like an 2017 01:47:09,040 --> 01:47:13,640 Speaker 2: intense jock, like where he was. 2018 01:47:13,640 --> 01:47:15,800 Speaker 3: Like a borderline murderer, yes, where he. 2019 01:47:15,920 --> 01:47:19,719 Speaker 1: Was obsessed with like a spree decor of the football 2020 01:47:19,800 --> 01:47:22,919 Speaker 1: team and like you're turning your back on your brothers, 2021 01:47:24,400 --> 01:47:27,120 Speaker 1: like you know, talking to you. 2022 01:47:27,160 --> 01:47:29,880 Speaker 2: Know that London brother that's in uh Daisy Confuse, and 2023 01:47:29,920 --> 01:47:33,439 Speaker 2: he's just like you know, watch Sonia Paper, you know. 2024 01:47:33,960 --> 01:47:38,880 Speaker 1: And so he is another actor where for his for 2025 01:47:39,040 --> 01:47:41,800 Speaker 1: his career forever, I just assumed he was like a 2026 01:47:41,920 --> 01:47:44,920 Speaker 1: murdering football player, like a football player that was gonna 2027 01:47:44,960 --> 01:47:47,519 Speaker 1: eventually murder his wife because he's so intense. So to 2028 01:47:47,640 --> 01:47:49,680 Speaker 1: see them both in this movie together, I was like, 2029 01:47:50,360 --> 01:47:54,439 Speaker 1: oh my god, it's the two football guys from Daisy 2030 01:47:54,479 --> 01:47:58,519 Speaker 1: Confused but there. But you're right, they're so funny, Like 2031 01:47:59,280 --> 01:48:03,479 Speaker 1: Colehuser's great, Like they're both these like you know Boston dudes. 2032 01:48:03,640 --> 01:48:06,280 Speaker 3: Right Yeah, he's just like a low key dude who's like, 2033 01:48:06,439 --> 01:48:08,519 Speaker 3: this is my lot in life. These are my friends. 2034 01:48:08,680 --> 01:48:11,200 Speaker 3: I will laugh at them most of the time, because 2035 01:48:11,280 --> 01:48:13,640 Speaker 3: what fucking choice do I have. Like that scene of 2036 01:48:13,680 --> 01:48:16,800 Speaker 3: them going through their burger order just sent me back 2037 01:48:16,840 --> 01:48:18,960 Speaker 3: to driving around in a car as a teenager with 2038 01:48:19,040 --> 01:48:19,759 Speaker 3: my own friends. 2039 01:48:20,080 --> 01:48:22,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're like you're busting balls, you're throwing. 2040 01:48:22,439 --> 01:48:25,599 Speaker 3: Food around like someone's really angry. But it's so funny 2041 01:48:25,640 --> 01:48:29,080 Speaker 3: that you're laughing at them, like it's just it's an 2042 01:48:29,080 --> 01:48:32,680 Speaker 3: adorable encapsulation of not just what this friendship is, but 2043 01:48:32,920 --> 01:48:35,800 Speaker 3: why they are friends to begin with, right right, I 2044 01:48:35,880 --> 01:48:38,559 Speaker 3: fucking love them, and I love Colhauser in this movie, 2045 01:48:38,600 --> 01:48:41,160 Speaker 3: and he doesn't say a lot, but he's genuinely funny 2046 01:48:41,720 --> 01:48:46,920 Speaker 3: in this film. Then we have Professor Lambeau played by 2047 01:48:48,400 --> 01:48:52,519 Speaker 3: Stellan Scars Guard, the Hottest Scars Guard. We start with 2048 01:48:52,680 --> 01:48:54,679 Speaker 3: Stellin and then work through his weird sons. 2049 01:48:58,120 --> 01:48:59,960 Speaker 2: I forgot it was in this movie, Oh my god. 2050 01:49:00,280 --> 01:49:04,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's he's playing this professor who won the 2051 01:49:04,240 --> 01:49:08,880 Speaker 3: Fields Medal in his youth for combinatorial math. And let 2052 01:49:08,960 --> 01:49:11,879 Speaker 3: me tell you, I did hours of research about South Boston. 2053 01:49:12,000 --> 01:49:13,920 Speaker 3: I didn't even look up this phrase. I don't want 2054 01:49:13,960 --> 01:49:16,320 Speaker 3: to know what combinatorial math is. I don't give a shit. 2055 01:49:16,760 --> 01:49:18,680 Speaker 2: It's hard, it's difficult math, I will say that. 2056 01:49:19,560 --> 01:49:24,040 Speaker 3: But he's playing this kind of this swaggering, self possessed 2057 01:49:24,200 --> 01:49:27,000 Speaker 3: professor who thinks that his world is very definitive, like 2058 01:49:27,040 --> 01:49:29,560 Speaker 3: he's very assured of his place in the world. And 2059 01:49:29,680 --> 01:49:31,600 Speaker 3: he puts this equation on the board outside of his 2060 01:49:31,720 --> 01:49:35,000 Speaker 3: classroom and it's unbelievably difficult, and he thinks no one's 2061 01:49:35,040 --> 01:49:37,599 Speaker 3: going to solve it, and Will solves it in ten 2062 01:49:37,680 --> 01:49:41,400 Speaker 3: seconds flat while he's buffing the floors. Yeah, doesn't sign 2063 01:49:41,439 --> 01:49:43,599 Speaker 3: his name or anything, just solves it and walks away. 2064 01:49:44,320 --> 01:49:45,519 Speaker 3: And Lambo's like, what the fuck? 2065 01:49:45,520 --> 01:49:45,920 Speaker 2: Who did that? 2066 01:49:46,040 --> 01:49:49,040 Speaker 3: And nobody takes credit. So he puts up another impossible 2067 01:49:49,120 --> 01:49:52,439 Speaker 3: problem that took he and his friends two years to solve, 2068 01:49:53,120 --> 01:49:55,599 Speaker 3: and Will solves it while he's laying out a fart. 2069 01:49:56,479 --> 01:49:59,400 Speaker 3: He's just like, walking by farts solves the fucking problem. 2070 01:50:00,120 --> 01:50:04,000 Speaker 3: But this time Professor Lambo sees him writing on the 2071 01:50:04,080 --> 01:50:06,560 Speaker 3: board and he approaches it with this typical prejudice of like, 2072 01:50:06,640 --> 01:50:09,640 Speaker 3: you know, what is this fucking scrubby dude doing, you 2073 01:50:09,720 --> 01:50:13,320 Speaker 3: know this right, like doing graffiti on my fucking equation. 2074 01:50:13,840 --> 01:50:16,519 Speaker 3: But then he realizes that Will solved it, but it's 2075 01:50:16,560 --> 01:50:19,040 Speaker 3: too late because Will is gone, and Will is gone 2076 01:50:19,080 --> 01:50:22,080 Speaker 3: because he's busy hanging out with his boys and getting 2077 01:50:22,080 --> 01:50:23,680 Speaker 3: in a fight. And the way I don't know if 2078 01:50:23,720 --> 01:50:25,280 Speaker 3: this if you felt this as well, but the way 2079 01:50:25,360 --> 01:50:28,960 Speaker 3: that this fight starts is so fucking real because it's 2080 01:50:29,040 --> 01:50:32,040 Speaker 3: just like it's a guy they already hate from the 2081 01:50:32,120 --> 01:50:35,320 Speaker 3: neighborhood and they see him harassing a woman on the street, 2082 01:50:35,400 --> 01:50:36,599 Speaker 3: so they just jump him. 2083 01:50:37,560 --> 01:50:38,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, I couldn't. 2084 01:50:38,920 --> 01:50:41,680 Speaker 1: I was trying to figure out again if like the 2085 01:50:41,760 --> 01:50:45,960 Speaker 1: guy had if that was the woman that they harassed 2086 01:50:46,080 --> 01:50:48,799 Speaker 1: was the same woman that they had seen him with earlier, 2087 01:50:48,920 --> 01:50:50,160 Speaker 1: but I guess it was a different woman. 2088 01:50:50,320 --> 01:50:51,080 Speaker 2: It was a different woman. 2089 01:50:51,160 --> 01:50:53,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, But just that type of shit where 2090 01:50:53,400 --> 01:50:57,360 Speaker 1: you're just like I mean, I was terrified of fights 2091 01:50:57,479 --> 01:51:02,519 Speaker 1: when I was growing up, and I just was always like, 2092 01:51:03,439 --> 01:51:06,200 Speaker 1: oh my god, I hope I'd never get into a 2093 01:51:06,320 --> 01:51:08,400 Speaker 1: fight with anybody my age because I would. 2094 01:51:08,280 --> 01:51:11,479 Speaker 2: Just cry, like I was, I'm such a I'm such 2095 01:51:11,520 --> 01:51:15,080 Speaker 2: a gentle giant. I'm just not I'm not into that. 2096 01:51:15,640 --> 01:51:19,880 Speaker 1: But yeah, but I do remember like young guys being 2097 01:51:20,040 --> 01:51:23,439 Speaker 1: so quick to like get into physical altercations with people, 2098 01:51:23,479 --> 01:51:25,560 Speaker 1: and I'm like, holy fucking shit. So that was like 2099 01:51:25,840 --> 01:51:28,120 Speaker 1: it all brought those those thoughts back when I saw 2100 01:51:28,160 --> 01:51:28,960 Speaker 1: that scene again. 2101 01:51:29,040 --> 01:51:30,559 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, just keyed up. 2102 01:51:30,800 --> 01:51:33,200 Speaker 3: And Will gets put in jail, he gets fired from 2103 01:51:33,200 --> 01:51:35,040 Speaker 3: his job, Like this isn't just a quick little fight, 2104 01:51:35,160 --> 01:51:39,439 Speaker 3: Like he goes fucking ham on this dude's face, gets fired, 2105 01:51:39,520 --> 01:51:43,720 Speaker 3: gets put put in jail, and it's kind of like 2106 01:51:44,040 --> 01:51:46,280 Speaker 3: you can see this being a common theme in his 2107 01:51:46,400 --> 01:51:48,799 Speaker 3: life because he's not even freaked out that it's happened. 2108 01:51:49,520 --> 01:51:51,560 Speaker 3: But then we also get to see him in this 2109 01:51:52,160 --> 01:51:57,200 Speaker 3: this Harvard bar scene prior, just prior, where there's this 2110 01:51:57,240 --> 01:51:59,760 Speaker 3: guy named Clark who's being this total academic shithead and 2111 01:52:00,000 --> 01:52:03,600 Speaker 3: being a total prick about how Chucky is lying so 2112 01:52:03,800 --> 01:52:07,479 Speaker 3: blatantly to try to pick up women. He's always lying 2113 01:52:07,560 --> 01:52:10,679 Speaker 3: about the fact that he attends Harvard, but Will steps 2114 01:52:10,720 --> 01:52:14,400 Speaker 3: in and reads this dude for filth and again simple 2115 01:52:14,640 --> 01:52:16,920 Speaker 3: but incredible sentences where he says, you know, like you 2116 01:52:17,000 --> 01:52:19,200 Speaker 3: dropped one hundred and fifty thousand for your education when 2117 01:52:19,240 --> 01:52:21,200 Speaker 3: all you needed was like a library card and a 2118 01:52:21,240 --> 01:52:25,200 Speaker 3: dollar fifty in late fees. And again my favorite is 2119 01:52:25,240 --> 01:52:27,800 Speaker 3: the peanut gallery in the back being like my boys 2120 01:52:27,840 --> 01:52:33,000 Speaker 3: wickets smart. But what I love about that is his 2121 01:52:33,200 --> 01:52:35,960 Speaker 3: friends know how intelligent Will is. Will is the only 2122 01:52:36,040 --> 01:52:38,679 Speaker 3: one who seems embarrassed by it, like they're really proud 2123 01:52:38,760 --> 01:52:41,280 Speaker 3: of him and they know that he's smart. He's the 2124 01:52:41,320 --> 01:52:44,880 Speaker 3: only one who tries to hide it with them because 2125 01:52:44,920 --> 01:52:46,880 Speaker 3: he's again like looking for ways to fit in and 2126 01:52:46,960 --> 01:52:49,400 Speaker 3: he feels like such an outsider. But at the end 2127 01:52:49,479 --> 01:52:52,360 Speaker 3: of the scene, Skyler, who's played by Mini Driver, gives 2128 01:52:52,439 --> 01:52:54,920 Speaker 3: him her number and that's where you get that how 2129 01:52:54,960 --> 01:52:58,960 Speaker 3: do you like Them Apple scene, which again very masculine 2130 01:52:59,120 --> 01:53:02,479 Speaker 3: energy to approach someone in a dunkin Donuts and slam 2131 01:53:02,600 --> 01:53:05,160 Speaker 3: somebody's number on a window. But it felt real to me, 2132 01:53:05,800 --> 01:53:08,439 Speaker 3: and Skyler is cool. Skyler is like this emotionally intelligent 2133 01:53:08,520 --> 01:53:11,320 Speaker 3: and well adjusted woman, and she's very forward and confident, 2134 01:53:11,479 --> 01:53:14,559 Speaker 3: and you know she's going to Stanford for grad school 2135 01:53:14,640 --> 01:53:16,800 Speaker 3: in June. And she's just kind of like she's not 2136 01:53:16,880 --> 01:53:18,760 Speaker 3: ashamed of the fact that she inherited a bunch of 2137 01:53:18,840 --> 01:53:21,800 Speaker 3: money when her father died when she was thirteen, but 2138 01:53:21,960 --> 01:53:24,800 Speaker 3: she would of course rather have her father back. But 2139 01:53:24,920 --> 01:53:29,000 Speaker 3: she's just got this confidence to her and she is 2140 01:53:29,120 --> 01:53:31,400 Speaker 3: not ashamed of her intelligence at all, and she's basically 2141 01:53:31,600 --> 01:53:35,280 Speaker 3: she's the light to his dark. So Professor Lambo eventually 2142 01:53:35,320 --> 01:53:39,240 Speaker 3: finds Will, and you also in this scene find out 2143 01:53:39,439 --> 01:53:44,240 Speaker 3: that Professor Lambeau's lackey of a fucking ta is named Tom, 2144 01:53:44,520 --> 01:53:46,840 Speaker 3: so they are Tom and Jerry Gerald. 2145 01:53:46,920 --> 01:53:50,960 Speaker 2: Lambeau catch that. Oh god, wow, very funny to me. 2146 01:53:51,479 --> 01:53:53,880 Speaker 3: And he finds out that Will got this job through 2147 01:53:53,920 --> 01:53:57,120 Speaker 3: his parole officer, and we're seeing Will Will kind of 2148 01:53:57,160 --> 01:54:01,080 Speaker 3: defend himself in court. We get to hear his rap 2149 01:54:01,120 --> 01:54:08,360 Speaker 3: sheet which includes assault, grand theft, auto impersonating an officer, mayhem, 2150 01:54:08,960 --> 01:54:13,680 Speaker 3: and theft, and one phone call from jail is to 2151 01:54:13,840 --> 01:54:17,920 Speaker 3: Skuyler like it's just it's wild, like he's able to 2152 01:54:18,000 --> 01:54:20,800 Speaker 3: defend himself. He's pissing off everyone in the court because 2153 01:54:21,240 --> 01:54:23,400 Speaker 3: he has a cockiness to him that again is such 2154 01:54:23,439 --> 01:54:28,080 Speaker 3: a defense mechanism, but he's also absolutely correct. Professor Lambeau 2155 01:54:28,240 --> 01:54:31,920 Speaker 3: bails him out under his supervision with two conditions. They're 2156 01:54:31,960 --> 01:54:34,920 Speaker 3: going to work together on some math shit, and he 2157 01:54:35,040 --> 01:54:36,840 Speaker 3: has to see a therapist, and he's like, if you 2158 01:54:36,920 --> 01:54:39,120 Speaker 3: fail at any part of this, you're going to do 2159 01:54:39,160 --> 01:54:42,080 Speaker 3: the jail time. So Will starts testing out therapists and 2160 01:54:42,160 --> 01:54:45,040 Speaker 3: they all think he's a fucking lunatic. But to his point, 2161 01:54:45,120 --> 01:54:47,520 Speaker 3: one of these therapists dudes has a pinky ring, and 2162 01:54:47,600 --> 01:54:52,920 Speaker 3: I wouldn't trust that shit either way. Never getting me 2163 01:54:52,960 --> 01:54:54,920 Speaker 3: to a therapist with a pinky ring, a male therapist 2164 01:54:55,000 --> 01:54:55,560 Speaker 3: with a pinky ring. 2165 01:54:55,840 --> 01:54:56,280 Speaker 2: Goodbye. 2166 01:54:57,480 --> 01:54:59,200 Speaker 3: But this is how we get to meet Sean, who 2167 01:54:59,280 --> 01:55:02,280 Speaker 3: is the Robin Williams character. So Sean is also from Southey. 2168 01:55:03,360 --> 01:55:05,920 Speaker 3: He's had immense loss in his life. His wife died 2169 01:55:05,960 --> 01:55:10,120 Speaker 3: of cancer and he himself was a formerly genius student 2170 01:55:10,200 --> 01:55:12,840 Speaker 3: who went to school with Jerry and has kind of 2171 01:55:12,960 --> 01:55:15,760 Speaker 3: minimized his life in the wake of his loss. So 2172 01:55:15,880 --> 01:55:18,560 Speaker 3: he's working at this community college and he seems happy 2173 01:55:18,640 --> 01:55:21,000 Speaker 3: with the students. He's clearly a good teacher, but his 2174 01:55:21,120 --> 01:55:24,720 Speaker 3: personal life is diminished, and you get to see his apartment. 2175 01:55:24,760 --> 01:55:27,200 Speaker 3: At one point he's just got like a sink overflowing 2176 01:55:27,240 --> 01:55:29,400 Speaker 3: with dishes and bottles of booze all over the place. 2177 01:55:29,960 --> 01:55:33,000 Speaker 3: So he's he's kind of an outsider too, And when 2178 01:55:33,040 --> 01:55:35,360 Speaker 3: Will meets him, he tries to read him for filth, 2179 01:55:35,760 --> 01:55:38,360 Speaker 3: but he ends up insulting his dead wife and Sean 2180 01:55:39,000 --> 01:55:42,400 Speaker 3: grabs him in a fucking choke hold against the book 2181 01:55:42,480 --> 01:55:44,800 Speaker 3: I'm okay, You're okay, which is on the shelf behind him, which. 2182 01:55:44,640 --> 01:55:46,240 Speaker 2: I fucking love good touch. 2183 01:55:47,320 --> 01:55:49,360 Speaker 3: But he takes Will on as a client. He's like, yeah, 2184 01:55:49,360 --> 01:55:50,840 Speaker 3: I could work with this dude. And I'm like, how 2185 01:55:50,880 --> 01:55:52,840 Speaker 3: many times does my own therapist wanted to grab me 2186 01:55:52,920 --> 01:55:55,760 Speaker 3: in a choke hold? And been like we talked about 2187 01:55:55,800 --> 01:56:01,880 Speaker 3: this fifty five times. Yeah. They take another meeting, you know, 2188 01:56:01,920 --> 01:56:05,760 Speaker 3: their second meeting basically as Sean taking him, taking Will 2189 01:56:05,840 --> 01:56:08,120 Speaker 3: to this pond and they're sitting down and at this 2190 01:56:08,200 --> 01:56:10,880 Speaker 3: point he basically tells him like, I've got you figured out. 2191 01:56:11,520 --> 01:56:13,120 Speaker 3: You are just a kid. 2192 01:56:13,640 --> 01:56:15,000 Speaker 2: You have never been out of Boston. 2193 01:56:15,760 --> 01:56:17,600 Speaker 3: You can tell me everything there is to read about 2194 01:56:17,600 --> 01:56:19,400 Speaker 3: a painting, but you don't know what it smells like 2195 01:56:19,480 --> 01:56:22,680 Speaker 3: inside the Sistine Chapel. So he basically puts him on 2196 01:56:22,760 --> 01:56:25,120 Speaker 3: his fucking heels and is like, I get it. I 2197 01:56:25,320 --> 01:56:26,360 Speaker 3: get your defensiveness. 2198 01:56:26,400 --> 01:56:29,280 Speaker 2: I get the whole thing. And their next meeting is. 2199 01:56:29,280 --> 01:56:31,120 Speaker 3: A pissing contest because now Will has been made to 2200 01:56:31,120 --> 01:56:34,960 Speaker 3: feel small. But they eventually talk and Will reveals that 2201 01:56:35,280 --> 01:56:38,400 Speaker 3: he's kind of afraid of Skyler because he thinks she'll 2202 01:56:38,440 --> 01:56:41,400 Speaker 3: disappoint him because no one will ever be as smart 2203 01:56:41,400 --> 01:56:43,080 Speaker 3: as he is, so he thinks she's going to eventually 2204 01:56:43,160 --> 01:56:46,960 Speaker 3: bore him. And that again, is like a fascinating insight 2205 01:56:47,000 --> 01:56:51,400 Speaker 3: into this character who's probably never thought about his relationship 2206 01:56:51,440 --> 01:56:52,440 Speaker 3: to romance or. 2207 01:56:53,960 --> 01:56:54,160 Speaker 2: Love. 2208 01:56:54,480 --> 01:56:55,720 Speaker 3: The basis of the is fear. 2209 01:56:56,440 --> 01:56:56,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. 2210 01:56:57,800 --> 01:57:02,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, And he does the thing that all scared people 2211 01:57:02,160 --> 01:57:05,680 Speaker 1: do where they are always like twelve steps ahead of 2212 01:57:05,920 --> 01:57:08,800 Speaker 1: right so they don't look like the asshole, you know, yep, 2213 01:57:09,440 --> 01:57:10,440 Speaker 1: which is exhausting. 2214 01:57:10,960 --> 01:57:14,000 Speaker 2: And I've done that often in my life. 2215 01:57:14,640 --> 01:57:17,440 Speaker 1: And when I was like watching this movie, I was like, 2216 01:57:17,960 --> 01:57:19,520 Speaker 1: this is like a movie that will make you like 2217 01:57:19,720 --> 01:57:22,480 Speaker 1: feel some type of way about your own shit, Like 2218 01:57:22,560 --> 01:57:25,760 Speaker 1: you're just like, oh, yeah, this is a movie about therapy, 2219 01:57:25,880 --> 01:57:28,080 Speaker 1: and this is a movie about trauma and pain. And 2220 01:57:28,680 --> 01:57:31,520 Speaker 1: coping mechanisms, and then you're like, oh yeah, and I'm 2221 01:57:31,560 --> 01:57:34,120 Speaker 1: watching somebody do a thing that I've done many times 2222 01:57:34,240 --> 01:57:37,560 Speaker 1: and that is annoying. And then I'm like, I'm sitting 2223 01:57:37,600 --> 01:57:40,920 Speaker 1: here going like, don't do that. Don't like jump to 2224 01:57:41,040 --> 01:57:43,120 Speaker 1: the end because you don't know how things are you go. 2225 01:57:43,720 --> 01:57:46,040 Speaker 1: And then in a way, I'm like, I do that too, 2226 01:57:46,200 --> 01:57:47,800 Speaker 1: though maybe I should stop doing that. 2227 01:57:47,960 --> 01:57:48,640 Speaker 2: Take my own. 2228 01:57:48,640 --> 01:57:54,040 Speaker 3: Eyes, yes, one hundred percent. And he's you know, he's 2229 01:57:54,080 --> 01:57:57,160 Speaker 3: kind of backing away from Skyler and ghosting her a 2230 01:57:57,240 --> 01:58:00,280 Speaker 3: bit because, as he's revealed, he's afraid of in this 2231 01:58:00,360 --> 01:58:03,240 Speaker 3: way and he's thinking twelve steps ahead, yeah, But instead 2232 01:58:03,320 --> 01:58:05,520 Speaker 3: he decides to kind of try to get her back 2233 01:58:05,560 --> 01:58:07,560 Speaker 3: in as good graces. But instead of calling her, he 2234 01:58:07,680 --> 01:58:08,800 Speaker 3: just goes to her room. 2235 01:58:08,720 --> 01:58:14,160 Speaker 2: Like a freak. Yeah all women's dorm room, right, and 2236 01:58:14,240 --> 01:58:16,240 Speaker 2: he's like, what's up. I'm Matt Damon. 2237 01:58:16,280 --> 01:58:17,680 Speaker 3: I can walk in here and nobody's gona say a 2238 01:58:17,680 --> 01:58:19,840 Speaker 3: goddamn thing because I'm hot. And he lies to her 2239 01:58:19,840 --> 01:58:22,200 Speaker 3: about his background, like he's telling her he has twelve 2240 01:58:22,280 --> 01:58:24,640 Speaker 3: brothers and he's just actively trying to hide the truth 2241 01:58:24,680 --> 01:58:27,920 Speaker 3: of himself from her. But he does eventually feel comfortable 2242 01:58:28,000 --> 01:58:30,200 Speaker 3: enough to introduce her to his friends, and she fits 2243 01:58:30,320 --> 01:58:33,840 Speaker 3: right in. Like he is incredibly tense throughout this entire scene, 2244 01:58:34,400 --> 01:58:37,600 Speaker 3: but she fits right in, and eventually she asks Will 2245 01:58:37,800 --> 01:58:40,680 Speaker 3: to come to California with her. Sean is like, Yo, 2246 01:58:41,960 --> 01:58:43,400 Speaker 3: I'm just gonna tell you the story about how I 2247 01:58:43,480 --> 01:58:45,320 Speaker 3: met my own wife, because sometimes you got to take 2248 01:58:45,520 --> 01:58:47,880 Speaker 3: the leap because the bad times will wake you up 2249 01:58:47,960 --> 01:58:50,240 Speaker 3: to the good times you're not paying attention to. And 2250 01:58:50,400 --> 01:58:52,000 Speaker 3: he tells him the story of meeting his wife and 2251 01:58:52,040 --> 01:58:55,160 Speaker 3: it basically missed one of the biggest baseball games that 2252 01:58:55,320 --> 01:58:58,200 Speaker 3: Bosson has ever had because his wife walked into a 2253 01:58:58,240 --> 01:58:59,840 Speaker 3: bar and he wanted to hang out with her, and 2254 01:59:00,080 --> 01:59:01,760 Speaker 3: he said, you know, to his friends, sorry, I gotta 2255 01:59:01,760 --> 01:59:03,680 Speaker 3: go see about a girl and gave his ticket up. 2256 01:59:05,080 --> 01:59:07,400 Speaker 3: So at the same time this is happening, Jerry's phone 2257 01:59:07,480 --> 01:59:11,280 Speaker 3: is ringing off the hook with offers for Will, and 2258 01:59:11,680 --> 01:59:13,560 Speaker 3: Sean is like, Hey, how about we give this guy 2259 01:59:13,640 --> 01:59:15,400 Speaker 3: some time to figure out what he fucking wants because 2260 01:59:15,400 --> 01:59:18,600 Speaker 3: he's still very mentally unstable, and Jerry is like, oh, 2261 01:59:18,720 --> 01:59:21,080 Speaker 3: but the National Security Agency is calling, man, like we 2262 01:59:21,200 --> 01:59:23,960 Speaker 3: got He's got all these job offers, so they're kind 2263 01:59:24,000 --> 01:59:29,520 Speaker 3: of fighting and having their own weirdly masculine friendship back 2264 01:59:29,600 --> 01:59:33,720 Speaker 3: and forth, where Sean is trying to convince Jerry that 2265 01:59:34,040 --> 01:59:38,560 Speaker 3: his life is valid and Jerry is trying to convince 2266 01:59:38,800 --> 01:59:42,200 Speaker 3: Sean that he should want more for himself and for Will, 2267 01:59:42,840 --> 01:59:46,120 Speaker 3: like Jerry doesn't understand why Sean is essentially given up, 2268 01:59:46,440 --> 01:59:49,880 Speaker 3: and they're both projecting and enacting their friendship out on 2269 01:59:50,080 --> 01:59:53,960 Speaker 3: Will and Will again he's he's still in turmoil, and 2270 01:59:54,040 --> 01:59:56,920 Speaker 3: he eventually pushes Skyler away, and one of the most 2271 01:59:56,960 --> 02:00:00,840 Speaker 3: heartbreaking scenes, like I still remember watching the first time 2272 02:00:00,880 --> 02:00:03,720 Speaker 3: and how much it hit me because they're on the phone. 2273 02:00:03,840 --> 02:00:05,960 Speaker 3: They're just they're talking, and she's kind of like telling 2274 02:00:06,040 --> 02:00:07,960 Speaker 3: him she loves him in the way that she just 2275 02:00:08,120 --> 02:00:15,320 Speaker 3: crumbles and he gets so rigid and defensive and she's 2276 02:00:15,400 --> 02:00:17,640 Speaker 3: like emotional and in his face and she's like, I 2277 02:00:17,880 --> 02:00:20,480 Speaker 3: love you, Like we can make anything work because I 2278 02:00:20,720 --> 02:00:27,240 Speaker 3: love you, and he's like, I don't love you. He's 2279 02:00:27,280 --> 02:00:29,400 Speaker 3: got that fucking outdoor cat energy. 2280 02:00:30,480 --> 02:00:32,680 Speaker 2: I gotta be real. I gotta be real with you. 2281 02:00:34,440 --> 02:00:36,160 Speaker 2: That would have been done for me. 2282 02:00:36,760 --> 02:00:38,680 Speaker 1: You'd have been like Skylar, go to California and go 2283 02:00:38,800 --> 02:00:42,200 Speaker 1: find yourself a new boyfriend. Like some guy literally in 2284 02:00:42,360 --> 02:00:44,600 Speaker 1: my face saying that he doesn't love me. I'd be like, 2285 02:00:45,000 --> 02:00:45,720 Speaker 1: I don't care if you. 2286 02:00:45,800 --> 02:00:46,240 Speaker 2: Drove that. 2287 02:00:48,320 --> 02:00:52,280 Speaker 1: Gross car to across the country to see me. You 2288 02:00:52,480 --> 02:00:55,120 Speaker 1: literally just communicated to me not too long ago that 2289 02:00:55,200 --> 02:00:55,880 Speaker 1: you don't love me. 2290 02:00:56,040 --> 02:00:56,440 Speaker 3: So I. 2291 02:00:58,080 --> 02:01:02,880 Speaker 2: Figured that meant the door is closed due exactly. Oh. 2292 02:01:03,000 --> 02:01:05,720 Speaker 3: Twenty two year old Danielle was like, this is so romantic. 2293 02:01:06,080 --> 02:01:09,920 Speaker 3: Forty six year old Danielle is like, girl, go me too. 2294 02:01:10,120 --> 02:01:11,720 Speaker 2: I was like, and we're done. 2295 02:01:12,560 --> 02:01:17,160 Speaker 3: Even if he regrets it immediately, you're done. Respect yourself, 2296 02:01:17,200 --> 02:01:18,760 Speaker 3: get the fuck out of there. Oh man. 2297 02:01:19,120 --> 02:01:19,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 2298 02:01:21,120 --> 02:01:22,520 Speaker 3: Like when I was twenty two though, I was like, 2299 02:01:22,560 --> 02:01:24,080 Speaker 3: oh my gosh, she can see that he loves her, 2300 02:01:24,120 --> 02:01:26,080 Speaker 3: but he just can't express it. And now at forty six, 2301 02:01:26,120 --> 02:01:28,920 Speaker 3: I'm like, I ain't doing that work. No, I'm figure 2302 02:01:29,920 --> 02:01:31,200 Speaker 3: ten thousand piece puzzle. 2303 02:01:31,280 --> 02:01:31,920 Speaker 2: Fuck this shit. 2304 02:01:32,240 --> 02:01:36,200 Speaker 3: I'm not doing the combinatorial math of your fucking personality. Yeah, exactly, 2305 02:01:36,440 --> 02:01:42,400 Speaker 3: you better come correct heye, but Will goes into a 2306 02:01:42,440 --> 02:01:44,879 Speaker 3: fucking tailspin and he like cancels all of his meetings 2307 02:01:45,000 --> 02:01:47,680 Speaker 3: after sending Chucky to one impersonating him, which is fucking 2308 02:01:47,720 --> 02:01:50,240 Speaker 3: hilarious because Chucky of course, rolls the guy in the 2309 02:01:50,280 --> 02:01:53,240 Speaker 3: meeting into giving him cash, and Sean was kind of right, 2310 02:01:53,360 --> 02:01:55,640 Speaker 3: like Will was pushed too far and he returns to 2311 02:01:55,720 --> 02:01:58,760 Speaker 3: his mode of being a cocky shithead and he's laying 2312 02:01:58,840 --> 02:02:01,240 Speaker 3: bricks with Chucky and he's getting his meetings with Sean. 2313 02:02:02,200 --> 02:02:05,120 Speaker 2: But this is where I think the movie is truly 2314 02:02:05,160 --> 02:02:05,600 Speaker 2: a love. 2315 02:02:05,480 --> 02:02:08,080 Speaker 3: Story between Chucky and Will, because Chucky at one point 2316 02:02:08,120 --> 02:02:11,000 Speaker 3: looks at him after a shift and he's like, look, 2317 02:02:11,440 --> 02:02:17,040 Speaker 3: do not glorify Southy, do not glorify this lifestyle. And 2318 02:02:17,160 --> 02:02:19,240 Speaker 3: he says that the best ten seconds of his day 2319 02:02:19,480 --> 02:02:22,200 Speaker 3: is when he's walking up to Will's house and he 2320 02:02:22,320 --> 02:02:25,160 Speaker 3: hopes that he won't be there, and he basically tells them, 2321 02:02:25,200 --> 02:02:27,320 Speaker 3: if you're still here in twenty years, I will fucking 2322 02:02:27,440 --> 02:02:30,720 Speaker 3: kill you because you owe it to me. I have 2323 02:02:30,880 --> 02:02:34,120 Speaker 3: no choice, you do. You're sitting on a winning lottery ticket. 2324 02:02:34,200 --> 02:02:36,800 Speaker 3: I will fucking kill you if you throw your life away. Yeah, 2325 02:02:36,960 --> 02:02:41,160 Speaker 3: And that is real fucking love and real fucking friendship. 2326 02:02:40,760 --> 02:02:42,600 Speaker 2: Because he could be like, that's my boy. 2327 02:02:42,680 --> 02:02:44,760 Speaker 3: I don't want him to go anywhere, but he has 2328 02:02:44,880 --> 02:02:50,200 Speaker 3: enough selflessness to say, you are fucking up majorly right now, 2329 02:02:51,160 --> 02:02:53,480 Speaker 3: Like you don't have to stay in this with us 2330 02:02:53,640 --> 02:02:56,040 Speaker 3: to prove anything, like we love you the way you are, 2331 02:02:56,800 --> 02:02:58,120 Speaker 3: be who you actually are. 2332 02:02:59,520 --> 02:03:03,400 Speaker 1: These ding Dogs are soulmates. That's what I thought, Like 2333 02:03:03,520 --> 02:03:06,520 Speaker 1: that that question comes up in therapy and I'm like, 2334 02:03:06,600 --> 02:03:07,400 Speaker 1: that's your soulmate. 2335 02:03:08,480 --> 02:03:10,080 Speaker 2: That is the title of our episode. By the way, 2336 02:03:10,200 --> 02:03:12,080 Speaker 2: these ding Dogs are soulmates. 2337 02:03:12,440 --> 02:03:14,160 Speaker 1: Now it needs to go see amount of Chucky at 2338 02:03:14,160 --> 02:03:16,600 Speaker 1: the end of the day is really what absolutely But 2339 02:03:16,680 --> 02:03:19,560 Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, this is another point that I kind 2340 02:03:19,560 --> 02:03:21,440 Speaker 1: of thought of when I watched this movie again. I 2341 02:03:21,600 --> 02:03:23,560 Speaker 1: was like, you know, I'm not sure if this movie 2342 02:03:23,640 --> 02:03:26,280 Speaker 1: was entirely responsible for like dismantling that kind of like 2343 02:03:26,400 --> 02:03:29,480 Speaker 1: toxic bro masculinity of like we're not allowed to have 2344 02:03:29,560 --> 02:03:31,920 Speaker 1: feelings because we're guys, and we're not allowed to be 2345 02:03:32,000 --> 02:03:34,280 Speaker 1: in romances because we're straight and stuff like that. 2346 02:03:34,360 --> 02:03:36,800 Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, I hope that this movie. I don't 2347 02:03:36,800 --> 02:03:38,400 Speaker 2: know if it was just this movie, but I feel 2348 02:03:38,440 --> 02:03:40,920 Speaker 2: like maybe it was part of it. 2349 02:03:41,560 --> 02:03:44,600 Speaker 3: I think it started a trajectory that became pretty common in. 2350 02:03:44,680 --> 02:03:46,720 Speaker 2: Film, like the bromance. 2351 02:03:47,440 --> 02:03:49,720 Speaker 1: Like what like you know, I mean, obviously we have 2352 02:03:49,800 --> 02:03:52,839 Speaker 1: this podcast as evidence that we've had so many historical 2353 02:03:53,040 --> 02:03:56,520 Speaker 1: romances in cinema, but I'm just saying that, like for 2354 02:03:56,840 --> 02:03:59,800 Speaker 1: like kind of more of a modern context. I was like, okay, yeah, 2355 02:04:00,080 --> 02:04:03,320 Speaker 1: maybe the Matt Damon Ben Affleck romance was inspiring to 2356 02:04:03,440 --> 02:04:04,040 Speaker 1: other men. 2357 02:04:04,280 --> 02:04:07,320 Speaker 2: To let this shit go and to just be tender 2358 02:04:08,160 --> 02:04:10,960 Speaker 2: and loving towards each other in friendships, you know what 2359 02:04:11,000 --> 02:04:11,280 Speaker 2: I mean? 2360 02:04:11,600 --> 02:04:16,680 Speaker 3: Yes, and selfless and growth, have growth and exploration in 2361 02:04:16,760 --> 02:04:20,000 Speaker 3: your own relationships with your friends. Yes, well, I fucking 2362 02:04:20,080 --> 02:04:23,120 Speaker 3: love it. And he goes back to Sean and Sean 2363 02:04:23,240 --> 02:04:27,360 Speaker 3: has his file out, and this scene breaks me down 2364 02:04:27,560 --> 02:04:30,640 Speaker 3: every fucking time because it's basically just Sean looking through 2365 02:04:30,680 --> 02:04:34,000 Speaker 3: his file and seeing the physical abuse that he suffered 2366 02:04:34,000 --> 02:04:38,400 Speaker 3: as a little kid. And he keeps telling him repeatedly, 2367 02:04:38,880 --> 02:04:41,760 Speaker 3: it's not your fault. That's all he says, It's not 2368 02:04:41,880 --> 02:04:45,120 Speaker 3: your fault. It's not your fault. And Will eventually breaks 2369 02:04:45,200 --> 02:04:49,600 Speaker 3: down finally and has this release and he's crying and 2370 02:04:50,040 --> 02:04:52,960 Speaker 3: it changes everything for him to have that therapeutic release, 2371 02:04:53,040 --> 02:04:55,600 Speaker 3: and he takes one of the jobs that's been offered 2372 02:04:55,640 --> 02:04:57,720 Speaker 3: and his friends get him this kind of beater car 2373 02:04:57,840 --> 02:04:59,040 Speaker 3: for his twenty for his birthday. 2374 02:04:59,240 --> 02:05:01,920 Speaker 2: Oh that's made me cry. I was crying on the car. 2375 02:05:02,480 --> 02:05:05,000 Speaker 3: The car was like, Oh my god, these fucking ding 2376 02:05:05,080 --> 02:05:08,080 Speaker 3: dongs have been taken their free time to build an 2377 02:05:08,160 --> 02:05:10,440 Speaker 3: engine for this car for him so he could get 2378 02:05:10,480 --> 02:05:11,240 Speaker 3: to his new job. 2379 02:05:12,360 --> 02:05:15,320 Speaker 1: Colehauser in this in this scene is particularly great. He's 2380 02:05:15,360 --> 02:05:18,440 Speaker 1: basically like, it's a good engine. It's it's a engine, 2381 02:05:18,600 --> 02:05:20,440 Speaker 1: Like come on, like, you wouldn't do you. 2382 02:05:20,520 --> 02:05:22,720 Speaker 3: Like that, We wouldn't do you dirty like that. Oh God, 2383 02:05:22,880 --> 02:05:26,200 Speaker 3: I love it so fucking much. And there's also this 2384 02:05:26,360 --> 02:05:29,360 Speaker 3: kind of indication that, like everyone has been changed by 2385 02:05:29,440 --> 02:05:34,120 Speaker 3: Will subtly or distinctly, like Sean is taking time off 2386 02:05:34,200 --> 02:05:36,840 Speaker 3: to travel, and you know, Jerry and Shawn are repairing 2387 02:05:36,880 --> 02:05:40,480 Speaker 3: their relationship, and Jerry seems to have his own reckoning 2388 02:05:40,720 --> 02:05:43,720 Speaker 3: with his own intelligence and realizing that, like there's someone 2389 02:05:43,760 --> 02:05:45,640 Speaker 3: out there who's always going to be smarter than him 2390 02:05:45,680 --> 02:05:47,800 Speaker 3: now and he has to kind of reckon with what 2391 02:05:47,880 --> 02:05:50,040 Speaker 3: that will mean. But the end of the movie I 2392 02:05:50,080 --> 02:05:53,720 Speaker 3: think is still fucking classic because Chucky shows up one 2393 02:05:53,800 --> 02:05:56,360 Speaker 3: day and Will is gone, and he leaves a note 2394 02:05:56,400 --> 02:05:59,080 Speaker 3: at Sean's house that says, sorry, gotta go see about 2395 02:05:59,120 --> 02:06:03,640 Speaker 3: a girl, and he's driving into the sunset to go 2396 02:06:03,760 --> 02:06:07,120 Speaker 3: to California and be with Skyler, Right. 2397 02:06:07,240 --> 02:06:07,880 Speaker 2: I fucking love it. 2398 02:06:07,960 --> 02:06:10,600 Speaker 3: I think this movie is one that is often forgotten 2399 02:06:10,840 --> 02:06:13,800 Speaker 3: because of who they became, of who Affleck and Damon became. 2400 02:06:15,120 --> 02:06:17,480 Speaker 3: I think it's an extreme mark of their talent and 2401 02:06:17,560 --> 02:06:22,800 Speaker 3: intelligence as in this field as writers and actors, and 2402 02:06:23,280 --> 02:06:29,640 Speaker 3: I think it's a story about men that we often 2403 02:06:29,680 --> 02:06:31,160 Speaker 3: don't get to see the full scope of. We don't 2404 02:06:31,160 --> 02:06:33,680 Speaker 3: get to see the full scope of their intelligence, of 2405 02:06:34,400 --> 02:06:38,400 Speaker 3: their emotional upheaval, of any kind of resolution that leads 2406 02:06:38,440 --> 02:06:40,400 Speaker 3: them to actually being able to love each other. 2407 02:06:41,760 --> 02:06:43,280 Speaker 2: I love it. I love this fucking movie. 2408 02:06:44,640 --> 02:06:46,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny because you know, I know I joked 2409 02:06:46,360 --> 02:06:48,040 Speaker 1: to the very beginning about how they should always like 2410 02:06:48,120 --> 02:06:51,800 Speaker 1: gay men make movies about straight guys. But in a way, 2411 02:06:52,040 --> 02:06:54,640 Speaker 1: I kind of actually think that because I'm like, I 2412 02:06:54,720 --> 02:06:57,840 Speaker 1: think that Gus van Sant as a director of this 2413 02:06:58,120 --> 02:07:02,480 Speaker 1: film is an interest choice, obviously, but I also think 2414 02:07:02,600 --> 02:07:07,720 Speaker 1: that maybe that helps it be because when you think 2415 02:07:07,720 --> 02:07:10,560 Speaker 1: about this, this is a very like masculine world, Right, 2416 02:07:10,600 --> 02:07:14,960 Speaker 1: You've got these like Boston guys, right, and and you 2417 02:07:15,160 --> 02:07:21,280 Speaker 1: in this world of like smart Mit harvardy type of guys. Right, 2418 02:07:21,920 --> 02:07:26,000 Speaker 1: But that doesn't feel like normally stuff like that probably 2419 02:07:26,000 --> 02:07:27,800 Speaker 1: would have put me off a little bit, but it doesn't. 2420 02:07:28,120 --> 02:07:31,280 Speaker 1: For some reason, it doesn't put me off, like because 2421 02:07:32,960 --> 02:07:36,440 Speaker 1: there maybe and maybe I'm projecting there seems to be 2422 02:07:36,720 --> 02:07:41,320 Speaker 1: like some queerness or like shades of queerness that get 2423 02:07:41,440 --> 02:07:45,360 Speaker 1: thrown into the film almost maybe just because. 2424 02:07:45,160 --> 02:07:46,120 Speaker 2: The director is queer. 2425 02:07:46,280 --> 02:07:50,440 Speaker 1: Like I kind of thought that the Stellone, Scar's Guard 2426 02:07:50,760 --> 02:07:55,960 Speaker 1: and the Robin Williams characters were like the parents the 2427 02:07:56,120 --> 02:07:59,240 Speaker 1: will like Will's parents, Like there was like this very 2428 02:07:59,520 --> 02:08:03,040 Speaker 1: like parental thing going on between the two of them, 2429 02:08:03,120 --> 02:08:06,320 Speaker 1: Like they're both like advocating for this kid in different ways, 2430 02:08:06,440 --> 02:08:08,000 Speaker 1: and they have different approaches. 2431 02:08:08,080 --> 02:08:09,480 Speaker 2: And I don't know, I just kind of saw those 2432 02:08:09,560 --> 02:08:13,120 Speaker 2: like his his dad's or something is too. 2433 02:08:15,120 --> 02:08:15,240 Speaker 3: Uh. 2434 02:08:15,680 --> 02:08:17,880 Speaker 1: But and then that you find out that the cell 2435 02:08:17,920 --> 02:08:20,880 Speaker 1: and Scars Guard and the Robin Williams characters have their 2436 02:08:20,920 --> 02:08:24,760 Speaker 1: own complex history, their own romance. 2437 02:08:24,360 --> 02:08:24,760 Speaker 2: If you will. 2438 02:08:24,960 --> 02:08:27,160 Speaker 1: So I don't know, it's like this, it's very like 2439 02:08:27,240 --> 02:08:28,880 Speaker 1: there's a lot of layers to this film. As much 2440 02:08:28,920 --> 02:08:32,480 Speaker 1: as I feel like too, this movie was like the 2441 02:08:32,600 --> 02:08:37,440 Speaker 1: movie that launched a thousand movies about like Secret janetor geniuses, 2442 02:08:37,680 --> 02:08:40,839 Speaker 1: Like we have this absolute this it's a very typical 2443 02:08:40,920 --> 02:08:43,920 Speaker 1: trope in films now, but I still think that there 2444 02:08:43,960 --> 02:08:47,280 Speaker 1: are I mean, there's very This is a very Hollywood movie. 2445 02:08:47,320 --> 02:08:50,840 Speaker 1: It has Hollywood moments, but I also think there's charm 2446 02:08:50,960 --> 02:08:54,400 Speaker 1: to it, and there are like kind of deeper moments, 2447 02:08:55,080 --> 02:08:56,680 Speaker 1: like kind of like what I said about just sort 2448 02:08:56,720 --> 02:09:01,760 Speaker 1: of like the friendships, the male friendships, they're very They 2449 02:09:01,800 --> 02:09:03,760 Speaker 1: seem a lot more complex than I think I thought 2450 02:09:03,840 --> 02:09:05,400 Speaker 1: they were back when I first saw it. 2451 02:09:06,080 --> 02:09:06,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 2452 02:09:06,600 --> 02:09:08,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a depth here that I definitely am tapping 2453 02:09:08,880 --> 02:09:11,200 Speaker 3: into now in a way that I probably didn't when 2454 02:09:11,200 --> 02:09:13,880 Speaker 3: I first saw it. Yeah, and I've always loved it, 2455 02:09:14,000 --> 02:09:15,240 Speaker 3: like I loved it when I first saw it, but 2456 02:09:15,320 --> 02:09:18,000 Speaker 3: I just wasn't able to get this deep with it. 2457 02:09:18,480 --> 02:09:18,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. 2458 02:09:18,840 --> 02:09:21,800 Speaker 1: Well, but also I think I I I think that 2459 02:09:21,920 --> 02:09:24,680 Speaker 1: this movie has that mythology, that Hollywood mythology of like 2460 02:09:25,040 --> 02:09:27,480 Speaker 1: you know, the two young guys that come to Hollywood 2461 02:09:27,480 --> 02:09:30,920 Speaker 1: and write this like Oscar winning, you know, screenplay, and 2462 02:09:31,040 --> 02:09:33,800 Speaker 1: it's like they're wonder Kins their genuses type of thing, 2463 02:09:34,000 --> 02:09:36,040 Speaker 1: much like the Boondocks say it's but in a different way. 2464 02:09:36,720 --> 02:09:40,080 Speaker 1: And I think, Yeah, I watched it when it came 2465 02:09:40,120 --> 02:09:43,760 Speaker 1: out because I was fascinated by that mythology, but now 2466 02:09:43,920 --> 02:09:47,720 Speaker 1: having watched it again so many years later, when so 2467 02:09:48,160 --> 02:09:51,200 Speaker 1: much of their careers already you know, happened. 2468 02:09:50,920 --> 02:09:53,120 Speaker 2: That it feels different. It feels different to me. Also, 2469 02:09:53,240 --> 02:09:54,160 Speaker 2: I want to point this out. 2470 02:09:54,680 --> 02:09:57,040 Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody's written a grad level paper 2471 02:09:57,040 --> 02:10:00,800 Speaker 1: about this, but I want to, Like, I I think 2472 02:10:00,840 --> 02:10:03,480 Speaker 1: this movie is a lot about class, obviously, and I 2473 02:10:03,600 --> 02:10:09,680 Speaker 1: think it's represented at times through coffee. Yes, because you've 2474 02:10:09,800 --> 02:10:14,400 Speaker 1: got the Dunkin Donuts to the All Bond Pan and 2475 02:10:14,480 --> 02:10:20,720 Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, as will moves up in class potential 2476 02:10:21,160 --> 02:10:21,640 Speaker 1: if you will. 2477 02:10:22,240 --> 02:10:26,040 Speaker 2: He goes from Duncan to Pete's to All Bomb Pan. 2478 02:10:26,240 --> 02:10:29,960 Speaker 3: Ooh, just saying, girl, go write that paper. Go back 2479 02:10:29,960 --> 02:10:34,120 Speaker 3: to school, write that paper, done the ethics of class 2480 02:10:34,680 --> 02:10:39,040 Speaker 3: in Goodwill hunting Pete's Dunk Pete's All Bomb hah. 2481 02:10:39,400 --> 02:10:39,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. 2482 02:10:39,920 --> 02:10:43,360 Speaker 1: And now I know why Ben Affleck is in the 2483 02:10:43,480 --> 02:10:46,200 Speaker 1: Duncan Duncan commercials. 2484 02:10:46,920 --> 02:10:49,960 Speaker 2: That shit is in his DNA. That is not even 2485 02:10:50,960 --> 02:10:54,040 Speaker 2: a ploy. That shit is in him. I think there is. 2486 02:10:54,400 --> 02:10:57,520 Speaker 3: When I left LA, there was one Dunkin Donuts in 2487 02:10:57,560 --> 02:11:03,000 Speaker 3: the city, and I would be totally unsurprised to find 2488 02:11:03,080 --> 02:11:05,560 Speaker 3: out that he bought that fucking franchise and put that 2489 02:11:05,640 --> 02:11:07,280 Speaker 3: duncan there just so we can have Dunkin Donuts. 2490 02:11:08,120 --> 02:11:11,920 Speaker 1: Listen, as a former employee, Ben, if you're out there 2491 02:11:12,080 --> 02:11:15,720 Speaker 1: and you need like some historical knowledge of how it 2492 02:11:15,920 --> 02:11:20,280 Speaker 1: was in the early nineties, I'm available. 2493 02:11:20,360 --> 02:11:23,880 Speaker 2: You can reach man. I saw she did pomail. I 2494 02:11:24,080 --> 02:11:27,400 Speaker 2: need a job. I need a job, by the way, Ben, So, so. 2495 02:11:27,480 --> 02:11:31,840 Speaker 3: Why not Dunkin Donut franchise owner put me in charge. 2496 02:11:31,720 --> 02:11:33,880 Speaker 2: Of one of your franchises. You won't regret it. And 2497 02:11:34,000 --> 02:11:37,520 Speaker 2: that that again, that is purely speculation on my part. 2498 02:11:37,840 --> 02:11:38,800 Speaker 2: That is not a fact. 2499 02:11:39,040 --> 02:11:41,320 Speaker 3: I would not be surprised if it was. Though, if 2500 02:11:41,400 --> 02:11:43,560 Speaker 3: eventually people were like, oh, all these Dunkin Donuts that 2501 02:11:43,600 --> 02:11:46,720 Speaker 3: showed up in la Is because Affleck needed his fix. 2502 02:11:47,360 --> 02:11:49,480 Speaker 2: My god, you need to write a book about Ben Affleck. 2503 02:11:49,520 --> 02:11:50,080 Speaker 2: I'm telling you. 2504 02:11:50,520 --> 02:11:52,560 Speaker 3: You know. You know what's going to happen, which always 2505 02:11:52,560 --> 02:11:55,640 Speaker 3: happens on this podcast. I'm going to get a call 2506 02:11:55,680 --> 02:11:57,680 Speaker 3: from my Asian or manager and being like, oh, somebody 2507 02:11:57,720 --> 02:11:59,800 Speaker 3: wants to meet with you, and it'll be him, and 2508 02:12:00,000 --> 02:12:01,840 Speaker 3: I'll say I can't because I just did a three 2509 02:12:02,000 --> 02:12:08,240 Speaker 3: hour fucking episode we talk about how a sad depressed man, 2510 02:12:08,600 --> 02:12:10,920 Speaker 3: a sad miserable man. 2511 02:12:12,200 --> 02:12:16,640 Speaker 2: Who loves Dunkin donuts, the Millie to Chercho story. To 2512 02:12:16,760 --> 02:12:18,080 Speaker 2: be honest, I would. 2513 02:12:17,920 --> 02:12:20,160 Speaker 3: Take that meeting though, Ben again, I saw you did 2514 02:12:20,160 --> 02:12:22,040 Speaker 3: putt at gmail dot com. I got to get to 2515 02:12:22,040 --> 02:12:22,840 Speaker 3: the bottom of this shit. 2516 02:12:23,360 --> 02:12:27,720 Speaker 2: Let's just just contact us, Ben, we have a variety 2517 02:12:27,720 --> 02:12:29,600 Speaker 2: of things on the dock and to talk. 2518 02:12:29,440 --> 02:12:33,120 Speaker 3: About this was our possibly longest episode of all time 2519 02:12:33,240 --> 02:12:37,640 Speaker 3: might have been you had a lot. I said, you 2520 02:12:38,240 --> 02:12:40,040 Speaker 3: don't want me to prepare for something to actually gives 2521 02:12:40,120 --> 02:12:40,440 Speaker 3: it about. 2522 02:12:40,800 --> 02:12:41,040 Speaker 2: Listen. 2523 02:12:41,160 --> 02:12:44,200 Speaker 1: I wish you did this all the time. If you 2524 02:12:44,320 --> 02:12:46,960 Speaker 1: I wish you would have done oral histories this entire time. 2525 02:12:47,160 --> 02:12:47,760 Speaker 2: I hold back. 2526 02:12:47,840 --> 02:12:50,480 Speaker 3: Sometimes I hold back, yeah, because I would have respect 2527 02:12:50,480 --> 02:12:52,920 Speaker 3: the time limit. But sometimes I can't. And twenty twenty 2528 02:12:52,960 --> 02:12:55,120 Speaker 3: four might be the year of the three hour episode. 2529 02:12:55,240 --> 02:12:56,160 Speaker 2: Jude. I love it. 2530 02:12:57,440 --> 02:12:57,880 Speaker 3: I love it. 2531 02:12:58,280 --> 02:13:01,360 Speaker 1: And if we're going to talk about like Ben afflex 2532 02:13:01,960 --> 02:13:07,040 Speaker 1: personality and whether or not Merrimac should have bought a bar, 2533 02:13:09,240 --> 02:13:15,960 Speaker 1: but I say we go five hours, so listen. 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Yeah, no uh. 2553 02:14:07,200 --> 02:14:10,400 Speaker 1: We also have merch If you go to exactly Right 2554 02:14:10,480 --> 02:14:13,280 Speaker 1: store dot com, you will find our give Me the 2555 02:14:13,360 --> 02:14:17,960 Speaker 1: b of the d T shirt and crew Nick sweatshirts. 2556 02:14:17,280 --> 02:14:18,640 Speaker 2: And our bonus episodes. 2557 02:14:19,120 --> 02:14:23,080 Speaker 3: The new bonus episodes drop every third Thursday of the 2558 02:14:23,240 --> 02:14:24,800 Speaker 3: month on the main feed. 2559 02:14:25,680 --> 02:14:28,360 Speaker 1: Oh my god, oh next week's episode. I have a 2560 02:14:28,400 --> 02:14:30,120 Speaker 1: feeling I'm gonna say it now. I feel like this 2561 02:14:30,280 --> 02:14:35,760 Speaker 1: is gonna be like a Casey O'Brien favorite. Okay, if 2562 02:14:35,800 --> 02:14:38,320 Speaker 1: I can clock our producer Casey o brien, right, I 2563 02:14:38,360 --> 02:14:40,680 Speaker 1: feel like he would enjoy this upcoming episode. 2564 02:14:40,760 --> 02:14:43,360 Speaker 2: We'll see, Well, you want to tell them what what 2565 02:14:43,480 --> 02:14:46,240 Speaker 2: the movies are and we can we can see next week. 2566 02:14:46,280 --> 02:14:46,760 Speaker 2: We'll check in. 2567 02:14:47,440 --> 02:14:51,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely so. Next week's movies are Eternal Sunshine of 2568 02:14:51,120 --> 02:14:54,000 Speaker 1: the Spotless Mind from two thousand and four and Mulholland 2569 02:14:54,080 --> 02:14:58,880 Speaker 1: Dry from two thousand and one. Beautiful Listen, Danielle, as 2570 02:14:58,960 --> 02:15:01,960 Speaker 1: always a fucking pleasure doing us podcast with you. 2571 02:15:02,680 --> 02:15:06,680 Speaker 3: I love this so much. I would absolutely kick you 2572 02:15:06,840 --> 02:15:11,080 Speaker 3: out of Atlanta and tell you to drive somewhere to 2573 02:15:11,200 --> 02:15:11,880 Speaker 3: follow your heart. 2574 02:15:13,360 --> 02:15:16,400 Speaker 2: I gotta go see about a doughnut. I gotta go 2575 02:15:16,440 --> 02:15:18,080 Speaker 2: see about a dot. Bye. 2576 02:15:25,640 --> 02:15:28,680 Speaker 3: This has been an exactly right production. Produced by Casey O'Brien. 2577 02:15:29,000 --> 02:15:32,520 Speaker 3: Episode mixing and theme music by Tom Bryfogel, artwork by 2578 02:15:32,560 --> 02:15:36,560 Speaker 3: Garrett Ross. Our executive producers are Georgia Hartstart, karenkle Gareff, 2579 02:15:36,600 --> 02:15:39,280 Speaker 3: and Daniel Kramer. You can follow us on Instagram and 2580 02:15:39,400 --> 02:15:42,200 Speaker 3: Twitter at I Saw Pod, and you can email us 2581 02:15:42,280 --> 02:15:44,320 Speaker 3: at I Saw What You Did Pod at gmail