1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: I have never thought about making a documentary about gangs 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: because I thought that it was one of the most 3 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: studied knowns and explaining topics about this region. And I 4 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: thought that I had nothing new to contribute. But when 5 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 1: Carlos told me about those mens inside this prison, I 6 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: knew that I had something unique. 7 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 2: From Futuro media. It's Latino Usa. I'm Mariano Josa. Today, 8 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 2: a new documentary takes us inside a Salvadoran prison and 9 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 2: into the world of former gang members who are now 10 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 2: openly gay. A few years ago, something unusual and kind 11 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 2: of incredible happened in a prison in western El Salvador. 12 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:01,279 Speaker 2: The prison was called San Francisco Gote, and it was 13 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 2: entirely dedicated to holding members of El Salvador's notorious gangs 14 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 2: MS thirteen and the eighteenth Street Gang. Over the past 15 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 2: three decades, these gangs have been in an informal war 16 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 2: that has turned El Sabadord into one of the most 17 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 2: violent countries in the world and has forced thousands of 18 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 2: Salvadorans to leave their country. In twenty seventeen, nearly all 19 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 2: of the inmates inside the prison San Francisco Gotera withdrew 20 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 2: from their gangs, and converted to Christianity. Evangelical churches came 21 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 2: to control every part of the prison, every part except 22 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 2: for one, a small isolation block where inmates are locked 23 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 2: in around the clock for a variety of reasons. And 24 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 2: in that isolation block, nine men have chosen to live 25 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 2: in a single tiny cell about a yard by two 26 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 2: yards because they've made a decision that's unforgivable both to 27 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 2: the gangs they were once a part of and to 28 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 2: the Evangelical Church. These men are gay and they've decided 29 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 2: not to hide it. In twenty nineteen, Marlene Vignano and 30 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 2: Cadlos Martinez set out to document life inside that cell. 31 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 2: Madelene is a filmmaker who's originally from Spain and has 32 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 2: lived in El Salvador since twenty thirteen. Godless is a 33 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 2: Salvadoran reporter who's written about gangs for the Salvadoran newspaper 34 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 2: El Farro for the past decade. Their documentary in perdo 35 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 2: Nable Were Unforgivable is not just another documentary about Salvadoran gangs, 36 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 2: and the film has gotten a lot of attention over 37 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 2: the last few months. It won top awards at several 38 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 2: international film festivals and was selected by the International Documentary 39 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 2: Association as one of the ten best short films of 40 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 2: twenty twenty. In this segment of How I Made It 41 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 2: Madleine Vignallo and Carlos Martinez talk about the challenges of 42 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 2: documenting life inside a tiny, overcrowded cell over the course 43 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 2: of just twelve days. They also reflect on the world 44 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 2: they found inside the isolation unit and what that world 45 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 2: can tell us about the country outside the prison walls. 46 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 1: My name is Marlin Vignallo and I am a director 47 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: and producer of documentary films. 48 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 3: And my name is Carlos Martinez, and I'm a co 49 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 3: producer and co writer of Unforgive All of Film. 50 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: So the first time I came here to the Salvador 51 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: Goes in twenty ten, I came here as a volunteer 52 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: for an enngio to make a small video. That was 53 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: the first time I had contact with documentary films, and. 54 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 3: I fell in love with that. 55 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: At that time I also met Carlos, and in twenty 56 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: thirteen I decided to move to Salvador, to live here 57 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 1: and to try to be a filmmaker here, and of 58 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 1: course to be with Carlos. 59 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 3: We have been almost eight years together. I worked for 60 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 3: a newspaper for an online newspaper in Salvador named Del Faro. 61 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 3: I has spent almost ten years making research about violence 62 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 3: in Central America, especially about gangs issues. One of my colleagues, 63 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 3: a photojournalist, Victorpaena, invited me to a gang pussion San 64 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 3: Francisco o Terra inl Salvador. I was talking with the 65 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 3: director of this persion and he told me there was 66 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 3: an isolation part of the prison and in this part 67 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 3: of the prison it was different cells because of different reasons, 68 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 3: because of the inmates were so violent. But there was 69 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 3: one cell with nine guys inside because they have taken 70 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 3: the decision to be openly gain inside itself, and it 71 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 3: was really amazing for me. One of the first things 72 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 3: you learned about gangs is that they consider almost axuality 73 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 3: as a shameful condition and they kill their own members 74 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:48,359 Speaker 3: if they suspect they can be case. For my surprise, 75 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 3: they were really open to talk about themselves, and I 76 00:05:55,040 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 3: think it's because nobody has never talked with them without shape, 77 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 3: and I thought people need to see them, to listen 78 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 3: to them, to watch their conditions, and you know, surrounding 79 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 3: area such a visual story so I called Marlynne and 80 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 3: I told her about this story and she said yes. 81 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 1: So when Carlos told me that he met these guys, 82 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:33,919 Speaker 1: I was very interested in making a documentary film about that. 83 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: But I thought that it was impossible to get the 84 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 1: permission to film inside the prison during our long period, 85 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: and we asked to the director of the prison system 86 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 1: and surprisingly he said, yes, you can, and he gave 87 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 1: us twelve days of shooting. During the first two days, 88 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 1: I was inside the sale with them, talking with them 89 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: without the camera, and Carlos was interviewing them and asked 90 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 1: them who of them wanted to be in the film. 91 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 3: For us, it was really really important for them to 92 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 3: know and to understand what is this about. We were 93 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 3: very interested in not add more risk to their condition. 94 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: We spent almost eight hours a day inside the cell. 95 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: So at the beginning they were very curious about the camera, 96 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: about us because it was something new for them, and 97 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: they wanted to talk a lot with us. And they asked, 98 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: what do you want us to do because our life 99 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: here is very boring, And I said, no, I just 100 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: want to be here in a corner shooting your daily 101 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: life or the normal things to do inside the cell. 102 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: They understood, So the story is about Giovanni. 103 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 3: Giovanni really loved the Cameratamatada. Giovanni started being a gang 104 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 3: member and a hitman at twelve, and he has lost 105 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 3: the number of people he has killed. 106 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: And in the prison, he decided to retire to the 107 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: gang and join an evangelical chart. But he was in 108 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 1: love with another gang member, so he decided to be 109 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:49,319 Speaker 1: in a relationship with his inmate. So he is not 110 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: only guilty of his crimes, but he is guilty also 111 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 1: of an unforgivable scene for the charge and also for 112 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 1: the gun. 113 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 3: We didn't want to make a movie about guns, you know. 114 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 3: We really want to make a movie about a society 115 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 3: with a broken moral compass. It's a society where you 116 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 3: can say to kill next to to love in one sentence. 117 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 3: And this is supposed to make sense. When this guy, 118 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 3: our main character, Giovanni, told us it depends onzona to 119 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 3: kill a man. Well, it's a bad thing that it's 120 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 3: not so difficult, Hargo, But to love a man is 121 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 3: an anti natural thing. It's really hard how somebody can 122 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 3: say to kill is easy and to love is difficult. 123 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:05,199 Speaker 1: We had twelve days of shooting and during these days 124 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: we were lost because we didn't know what was the 125 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: story that we had and that we wanted to tell. 126 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 1: But when the main character tell us that sentence, everything 127 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: changed for us. We decide that with this documentary film, 128 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:27,839 Speaker 1: we will try to understand and explain why the sentence 129 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: has sense for him and in which society will live 130 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: in where this sentence is possible. The charts rule the 131 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: internight life of the prison, so for us was very 132 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: important to put in the documentary the things that the 133 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: charts believe. 134 00:10:51,600 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 3: You also said for us the amost example and communand life. 135 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 3: This pressure was talking an he say, God compares homosexual 136 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 3: people with dogs with animals, and they really believe that. 137 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 3: Before we met these nine guys, they were living with 138 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 3: the rest of the inmates in the regular part of 139 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 3: the prison ruled by the Shorts. But the church did 140 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 3: not allow them to be together or even to talk 141 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 3: to each other or to be one next to the 142 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 3: other because they suspect they were gay. So they asked 143 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 3: to transfer them to an isolation cell two can be 144 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 3: together and to live openly. And it was a very 145 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 3: hard decision because the isolation cell is not a human thing. 146 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: They spent all day side the cell, almost twenty four 147 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: hours a day. They only can't go out to go 148 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: to the bathroom during fifteen minutes in the morning and 149 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: fifteen minutes in the afternoon. And this place is really 150 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: really hot, and the cell is tiny, so they sleep. 151 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 3: In the floor, or two of them can sleep in 152 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 3: the amac. 153 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 1: It's overcrowded, it's dirty, it smells really really bad, and 154 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 1: they don't have even the basics. Most of the time, 155 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: they don't have water or soap. 156 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 3: Above all, they don't have things to do because they 157 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 3: don't have access to education programs because they were in 158 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 3: an isolation place. Of course, they don't have sports or 159 00:12:55,400 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 3: books or television or radios or so they make, for example, 160 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 3: chess with soap. They make the soap like in the 161 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 3: shape of chess pieces. They made their own cards to 162 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 3: play cards inside. 163 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: When you enter in a prison, you don't expect to 164 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: find love. They show love to each other inside the cell, 165 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:31,319 Speaker 1: not only the couple, also with the other inmates. 166 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 3: They were taking. 167 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 1: Care of each other, protecting each other, loving each other. 168 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: They are very very very complex characters. So in a 169 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: moment they can't tell you how they killed and in 170 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 1: the next moment, they can show tenderness and love to 171 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: each other. 172 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 3: There are a lot of moments that make us to 173 00:13:56,200 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 3: understand we were in the presence of a sable side. 174 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:06,559 Speaker 3: It's tiny shell. The essence of what Salvadorian people, Salvadorian 175 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 3: society are is inside these people. They are young as 176 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 3: we are, they are poor as we are, They are 177 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 3: violent and amophobic, can match us as we are, and 178 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 3: they have a really low level of education as we 179 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 3: are as a society, and they are trying to find 180 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 3: their place in this country. We build countries with no 181 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 3: place for everyone, societies that tolerate extreme poverty next to 182 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 3: the extreme richness, a society built under a history of violence. 183 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 3: The reality is not black and white, and the categories 184 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 3: of good and evil are a useless categories. We also 185 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 3: don't want to redeem a modern just for being in 186 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 3: love or just for being gay. We try to say 187 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 3: how complex human beings are. We just have twelve days 188 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 3: to shoot because the thirteen day Naive Bukelly became president 189 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 3: of al Sabama, whose there is confersa bukele have a 190 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 3: Trump style to be president, you know, to agitate hate 191 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 3: or to use hate or fear to promote his own 192 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 3: figure as a central character of the country, and I 193 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 3: bookelem hidden like journalists, so we knew that we will 194 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 3: not have the opportunity to continue shooting after he became president. 195 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: When the government changed, all the prison systems changed, and 196 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: all of the inmates inside the San Francisco Otra prison 197 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: were transferred to another prison. We have tried to communicate 198 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 1: with them, to talk with them by phone, but it 199 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: was impossible. The prison system don't allow us to do it, 200 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 1: so all we know about them is that they were 201 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 1: transferred to another prison. At least two of them are together, 202 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: and the other two we don't know where they are. 203 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: Last December, we launched the trailer and a lot of 204 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: people from different countries started writing me asking me for interviews. 205 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: I am very happy that all these people is so 206 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: uny interested this film, because I think we have the 207 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: opportunity to open debates for us. 208 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 3: It's really happy that this movie have traveled a lot 209 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 3: around the world. But it's so important to show with 210 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 3: hearing our salvator to make discussions here in Salvador, because 211 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 3: we are not used to use this mirror, this beautiful 212 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 3: mirror that cinema is. Because it's really hard to make 213 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 3: movies in the Salvator for American audience. If they want 214 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:45,360 Speaker 3: to understand why we escape from our countries, we need 215 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 3: to understand our countries and we need to understand the 216 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 3: places we came from when we arrived to the United States. 217 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 3: And it can also help them to understand why is 218 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 3: stupid to think that the world can stop us for 219 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 3: escaping from our countries and why a world can stop 220 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 3: us from trying to get a better life. 221 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 2: That was filmmaker Madelene Vignayo and reporter Carlos Martinez talking 222 00:18:30,200 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 2: about their film Unforgivable. This episode was produced by Alissa 223 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:04,640 Speaker 2: Scarce and edited by Marta Martinez. The Latino USA team 224 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 2: includes Miel Masis, Andrea Lopez Grusado, Julia Ta Martinelli, Gini Montalvo, 225 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 2: Alejandra Salasar, Rerinaldo, Leanos Junior, and Julia Rocha, with. 226 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:15,159 Speaker 3: Help from Raoul Perez. 227 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 2: Our engineers are Stephanie Lebau, Julia Caruso, and Leah Shaw. 228 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 2: Our digital editor. 229 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:20,919 Speaker 3: Is Luis Luna. 230 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:25,120 Speaker 2: Our New York Women's Foundation Ignite fellow is Mari es Kinka. 231 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 2: Our theme music was composed by Signer Rubinos. If you 232 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 2: like the music, you heard on this episode. Stop by 233 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 2: Latinousa dot org and check out our weekly Spotify playlist. 234 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 2: I'm your host and executive producer Marie no Fosa. Join 235 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 2: us again next time, and in the meantime, look for 236 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 2: us on social media. Alos Bacco Bye. 237 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 4: Latino USA is made possible in part by the Ford Foundation, 238 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 4: working with visionaries on the front lines of social change worldwide, 239 00:19:56,600 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 4: the John D. And Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation, and W. 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