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Speaker 3: You are listening to an installment of Hurdle Moment from

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Speaker 3: And you said the buzzword of judgment, which I do

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Speaker 1: it's all connected. It's all so important. And I think

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Speaker 1: when we think about creating depth as a human being

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Speaker 1: and depth as a person and wanting to be more

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Speaker 1: fulfilled and find a life filled with meaning and purpose,

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Speaker 1: this is the way we do it. We get curious

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Speaker 1: and we go look.

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Speaker 3: Right, We get curious and we go look. So moving forward,

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Speaker 3: then we've talked about a few ways to address this

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Speaker 3: trauma practically in the day to day outside of talking

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Speaker 3: to someone about what's going on in your life. Are

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Speaker 3: there any self care practices that you would recommend or

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Speaker 3: things that we can do on our own that could

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Speaker 3: help the circumstance.

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Speaker 1: Yes, So it's about when you're stuck in an experience

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Speaker 1: that you're being triggered by. Essentially you're just regulated, so

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Speaker 1: you're maybe in that back part of your brain. So

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Speaker 1: there's a couple of ways to get yourself back into

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Speaker 1: that thinking part of our brain. One of them is

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Speaker 1: to really focus on your senses. So if you just

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Speaker 1: take a moment and you sit down and you look

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Speaker 1: at a couple of different things, and you really focus

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Speaker 1: on four or five things that are around and you

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Speaker 1: really look at them, like, I'm looking at this coup

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Speaker 1: and now I'm noticing it, and I'm thinking about how

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Speaker 1: it might be an all of these different things. Simple,

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Speaker 1: but just get in that headspace of what do I

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Speaker 1: see and really look at it, and then close your eyes,

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Speaker 1: and what do I hear? And might hear birds and

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Speaker 1: might hear whatever it is you? And then you go

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Speaker 1: to what do I taste in my mouth right now?

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Speaker 1: And what do I feel on my body? Feel my clothes,

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Speaker 1: I feel this itchy sweater I'm wearing, I feel the

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Speaker 1: warm air on me, and really really ground yourself in

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Speaker 1: these senses and that will bring you back to a

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Speaker 1: place of regulation into the front of your brain. This

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Speaker 1: prefrontal cortex. Breathing is also an excellent way to bring

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Speaker 1: yourself back. If we often all say to my clients,

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Speaker 1: take a deep breath in for four accounts through your nose,

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Speaker 1: fold it and then let it out through your mouth

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Speaker 1: for four accounts. You can do three counts or two

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Speaker 1: counts of whatever's comfortable for you. Call that box breathing.

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Speaker 1: And if you do that a couple of times, that

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Speaker 1: can also bring you back to a sense of regulation.

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Speaker 1: So those are two easy things that you can do.

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Speaker 1: Going for a walk and simply noticing what's around you,

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Speaker 1: walking meditations. You don't feel comfortable sitting there and meditating,

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Speaker 1: just get out and walk into nature. There's a very

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Speaker 1: relaxing feeling about that. But again, you have to do

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Speaker 1: what's going to feel comfortable in your own body because

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Speaker 1: we don't know what your previous experience was.

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Speaker 3: Right, and you just said that buzzword nature. Why is

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Speaker 3: involving nature in this mindfulness practice something that can be beneficial.

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Speaker 1: Nature reminds us that we're not in charge. Right. You

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Speaker 1: can walk outside and you get a sense, whether you

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Speaker 1: believe or not, that there's something greater and bigger than ourselves.

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Speaker 1: There's something very relaxing about that. I tell a story

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Speaker 1: in the book where I was going through a really

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Speaker 1: traumatic event, and outside my window where I lived at

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Speaker 1: the time, there was a frozen pond. And even with

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Speaker 1: all my knowledge and everything that I had learned and

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Speaker 1: knowing that I could point to it and go, trauma, trauma,

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Speaker 1: this is what's happening. This was happening in my brain,

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Speaker 1: this is I still had to go through the process

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Speaker 1: like anybody else, of feeling it and being in that

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Speaker 1: what I call dark knight of the soul. And so

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Speaker 1: every day I would wake up and I would open

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Speaker 1: the curtains and I would see the pond, and I knew,

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Speaker 1: without a shadow of the doubt that that pond, even

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Speaker 1: though it was completely frozen because it was the dead

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Speaker 1: of winter and there were no sense of life on

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Speaker 1: it whatsoever, an no ducks, nothing, that in time it

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Speaker 1: would begin to melt and life would come back. And

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Speaker 1: so I just went with, you know what, I can

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Speaker 1: trust that that's going to happen there, and so that

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Speaker 1: will hopefully happened for me as well. And every morning

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Speaker 1: I would open the drapes and go, nope, not today,

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Speaker 1: we're still prosing. And eventually, all of a sudden a

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Speaker 1: duck would have here, and I was like, Okay, here

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Speaker 1: we go, here we go, maybe I'm going to start

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Speaker 1: to fall out.

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Speaker 2: Of it right right?

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Speaker 3: What a metaphor there, And to your point here, I

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Speaker 3: mean spending time in nature. Research shows that it really

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Speaker 3: can help with mental health problems such as anxiety and depression,

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Speaker 3: and it's also been linked to a host of other

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Speaker 3: benefits including improved attention, lower stress, better mood. Aka yeah,

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Speaker 3: not just looking at a frozen pond can be beneficial

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Speaker 3: for you, but just getting outside and taking a deep breath.

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Speaker 3: And I love that everything that you were saying here

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Speaker 3: really just is boasting the benefit of mindfulness, no matter

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Speaker 3: what that looks like to you.

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Speaker 2: If breathwork feels good to you, do breathwork.

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Speaker 3: If doing a guided meditation feels good to you, do

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Speaker 3: a guided meditation. If just doing the box breath as

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Speaker 3: you close your eyes sitting in your desk chair is

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Speaker 3: like the thing that gets you to feel at home

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Speaker 3: in your body, then do the box breath in your

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Speaker 3: office chair.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: So again, individualized and having Greece with yourself is the

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Speaker 3: key to developing a practice that helps you feel better.

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Speaker 1: Exactly. And another great way to work through some trauma

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Speaker 1: is by moving your body, So exercise. If you're not

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Speaker 1: an exercise person, just even I do this, I'll just

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Speaker 1: get up and I'll just shake it all out, shake

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Speaker 1: off the day, shake off the experience. You might want

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Speaker 1: to let out a big yell. Anything to move the

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Speaker 1: energy through.

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Speaker 2: You, Anything to move the energy through you.

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Speaker 3: Is there anything else that we should chat on before

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Speaker 3: I let you go? When it comes to navigating trauma,

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Speaker 3: moving through trauma, and addressing it on your own terms.

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Speaker 1: I think the most important thing when we both touch

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Speaker 1: on it, but it's worth repeating, is you shouldn't judge

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Speaker 1: the trauma, and you shouldn't judge yourself, and that The

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Speaker 1: thing about trauma work is you can heal from it.

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Speaker 1: You can not change the experience that you might have had,

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Speaker 1: but you can definitely change the experience that you're having

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Speaker 1: in the present, and you definitely can find a peaceful way.

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Speaker 1: There is a lot of help out there, and it's

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Speaker 1: not something that you have to live with. I think

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Speaker 1: it goes misdiagnosed if you will for other things, because

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Speaker 1: everyone's looking at symptoms, and that's why I think it's

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Speaker 1: important to talk about and raise awareness so that people

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Speaker 1: can become their own health advocate and their own healer

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Speaker 1: and really be able to say, hey, what about this

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Speaker 1: experience that I had and I think it might be

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Speaker 1: hindering my future?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so important. So glad that you're able to have

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Speaker 3: this combo. Doctor Hallerman. Tell us how do the hurdlers

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Speaker 3: follow along with you? How do they keep up with you?

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Speaker 3: Give us your details.

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Speaker 1: Well, hurdlers, you can find me on Instagram at d

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Speaker 1: R Elisa Hallerman so d R E l I S

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Speaker 1: A h A L L e R m A N.

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Speaker 1: You can also find help on our website which is

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Speaker 1: Dr Hallerman doctor Hallerman dot com. And yeah, I hope

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Speaker 1: to connect with all of you.

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Speaker 2: Love it.

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Speaker 3: I'm over at Emily a Body and at Hurdle Podcast

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Speaker 3: another Hurdle Conquered.

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Speaker 2: Catch you guys next time