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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just opening up that that the open lines

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Speaker 1: Well what about he has He has in his career,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it just goes back to being great

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Speaker 3: A lot of flash plays this summer. I'm just curious

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Speaker 2: You're Yeah, Malik's Malik has a growth mindset. He's continuing

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Speaker 2: And you know, I think we've still got some more

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Speaker 1: How different as a play caller now than you work

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Speaker 2: I think it's been a really competitive camp. I like

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Speaker 2: a certain safeties leverage and how do you get that

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Speaker 2: thinking of the space, You're thinking of putting stress on

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Speaker 2: certain players flat defenders, high lows on backers, the width

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Speaker 2: people in those spots to do that with their strengths.

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Speaker 2: So it could be a speed receiver, it could be

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Speaker 2: on defense. You know. It could be quick motions and

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Speaker 2: expanding the width to put that player in different stresses

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Speaker 2: in terms of a run fit or a pass fit.

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Speaker 2: So that's what we look at, you know. And so

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Speaker 2: we try to do that and put the guys in

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Speaker 2: the right spot and get looks at it, and if

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Speaker 2: it doesn't work out, we kind of reform it, formulate it,

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Speaker 2: and then talk about it as a staff and then

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Speaker 2: get a better solution. Is it a conscious effort of

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Speaker 2: you as a play caller to set up plays for later,

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Speaker 2: like out of the same look, running, running the same

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Speaker 2: look but a different play.

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Speaker 4: Is that always conscious?

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Speaker 2: It seems like it seems like you do that a lot,

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Speaker 2: but I could be wrong. Yeah, there is, there is

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Speaker 2: a conscious effort to do that on certain things. I

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Speaker 2: wouldn't say it needs to necessarily. It doesn't have to

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Speaker 2: necessarily be a one for one type situation where it's

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Speaker 2: has to marry this exact look. But I think it

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Speaker 2: just goes back to like, who you putting in conflict

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Speaker 2: and how do you do that? Within you know a

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Speaker 2: certain couple of plays that you want to package together.

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Speaker 2: Does this guy have the same fit in this run

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Speaker 2: or this pass or this formation, And then how do

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Speaker 2: you marry those things up and maybe put him in

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Speaker 2: conflict a couple different ways