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Speaker 3: Second And she was here last night anyone, nobody, Oh.

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Speaker 3: It was so fun and we're if you paid attention

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Speaker 1: Dress whole watch ninety nine. We're gonna watch this hole

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Speaker 3: You know what, don'ty grows?

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Speaker 3: For God's sake, do you know why I've eaten so

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Speaker 1: I had one of those burritos today that we were

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Speaker 3: And then I had a fucking lobster roll right before

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Speaker 2: To the hotel. That's right, room service.

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Speaker 1: More lobster rolls follows. I have to say, you know,

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Speaker 3: I don't know you're the one that lives here, Paris wheel.

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Speaker 3: It's scary, like I don't mean to see that high.

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Speaker 3: When most people take a bath a separate bathtub from

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Speaker 2: They have to clean.

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Speaker 2: Plan, Frank, I want to show show your dress.

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Speaker 1: It's the mayor of Seattle. Oh, here's my dress and

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Speaker 1: Oh what yes, that's right, Oh we sorry we were

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Speaker 3: There is a special guest here that we is part

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Speaker 1: He's he's a voluntary part of my favorite murder family,

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Speaker 1: We love him so much. Ladies and gentlemen, it's Nick Terry.

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Speaker 3: You pointed over there.

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Speaker 1: I pointed to that person, but I don't know where

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Speaker 3: Half half yeah, look at him going, oh my god,

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Speaker 3: he looks like he would draw Nick Terry's animation.

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Speaker 1: That's hi, he's perfect casting. Nick Terry, come here.

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Speaker 2: It's so good to see you have people recognized you

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Speaker 2: here tonight not tonight, No, oh.

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Speaker 3: You guys, the last night the audience was better.

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Speaker 2: A couple last night at the very end isn't so exciting?

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Speaker 1: He could get mine because that's where the nipple is.

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Speaker 3: Well, we want to thank you for being part of

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Speaker 1: Oh, I'm so honored to be able to participate in

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Speaker 3: Quick everyone.

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Speaker 1: I feel like Nick Terry is the perfect Seattle citizen

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Speaker 3: Do you love the rain? That's true? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: It's just like someone standing over Marcus. That's a sorry, Marcus,

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Speaker 1: I don't have my classes on. Well is it, sit.

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Speaker 3: Down, sit downtime, Come on, here we go.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the challenges that we've seen on this chores

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Speaker 2: It's really hard.

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Speaker 3: Who are we?

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Speaker 1: It' spent ten years and now we've we're the biggest

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Speaker 1: deep bathtime divas of all time? Thank you, thanks for

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Speaker 2: Who's first?

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'll tell them about what we're doing to know.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I don't even remember how this is a This

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Speaker 2: That sounds like a challenge.

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Speaker 3: So we're in Spokane and it's mid July of nineteen

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Speaker 3: And it's nineteen nineteen, so she's not used to like

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Speaker 3: So oh and then Ali, my researcher, wrote, no to Georgia,

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Speaker 3: So the Wolverine is owned and operated by the McDonald's siblings, Marie, Fay, Ted,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, you drink a lot with people in

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Speaker 1: It wouldn't that be amazing if you make Nick do it?

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Speaker 3: He also starts having his daughter Fay, his youngest daughter,

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Speaker 3: Oh thats who I want to hear fucking about Jesus

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Speaker 2: Sure, I can see that.

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Speaker 3: So in nineteen fifteen, four years before McNutt goes missing,

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Speaker 1: Please get him out of the family. There's too many bills.

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Speaker 3: Nope. No, it gets worse because he's described as a

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Speaker 2: Hey, what did she do?

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Speaker 3: She's about to sing or sneeze.

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Speaker 1: She's actually like, I can't believe this fucking guy's going

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Speaker 3: Secondly, all of the furniture had been moved out of

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Speaker 3: So nice, Like all the drag alongs are, I was like,

443
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 3: what the fuck?

444
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 1: Why did they clap for her?

445
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:03,640
Speaker 3: She was wrong?

446
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 1: So wrong?

447
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 3: That's actually close in today's podcasting, that's.

448
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 2: Very today's money.

449
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,920
Speaker 1: Nice. Thank you clapping because we're wrong is kind of

450
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 1: the theme of this podcast. And he's right right, it's.

451
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 3: The fun of it.

452
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:21,160
Speaker 1: That's the fun of it.

453
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 3: Are they disagreeing right now?

454
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,880
Speaker 1: They're agreed, I don't disagree at the same time. That's

455
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 1: what they're like up here.

456
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 3: Okay. The fire marshal notes that all of Marie's belongings

457
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 3: are worth about a third of what she's claiming that

458
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 3: they're worth, even though they're not even there. So she's

459
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,439
Speaker 3: charged with arson and her bailists said at about two

460
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 3: thousand dollars do you want to or shoul we g

461
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 3: thirty seven thousand?

462
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 1: That's less than I said, same as last same number iceanicked.

463
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:50,359
Speaker 2: Sixty four, just keep going thirty seven.

464
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,439
Speaker 1: I'm just sorry because I was kind of caught up

465
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,680
Speaker 1: thinking about my sister used to have my grandfather's chest

466
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,360
Speaker 1: of drawers that she kept in Nora's room just to

467
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 1: keep it away, And the fucking thing was so heavy

468
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 1: that when we tried to move it out when she

469
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,640
Speaker 1: got nor new furniture, it was like eight people had

470
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 1: to come over. So yeah, someone in Marie's household had

471
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 1: to carry out the shift aroad and the fucking fainting.

472
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 3: Couch, and I mean every single and the neighbor's in

473
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 3: snitch apparently, So she's bailed out of this this arrest

474
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 3: by none other than William McNutt.

475
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:27,919
Speaker 1: The crooked judge.

476
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

477
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 3: Who, No, that's their parent, their dad, Oh okay, William

478
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 3: and mcnut's the one who went missing earlier eight hours

479
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 3: ago in the beginning of the story.

480
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 1: Oh god, it got out.

481
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

482
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 2: So since he had been.

483
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 3: Friends with the fathers, he's still close with the kids

484
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 3: and kind of looks after them a little, it seems like,

485
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,640
Speaker 3: in their early adulthood, including bailing her out, and this

486
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 3: seems to be a mistake as he goes missing because

487
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 3: of it. One more weird detail about this arson chapter

488
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 3: is that five days after the arson and six months

489
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 3: after Marie's divorce from the street railroad man, William just

490
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 3: you can just guess, William, and it's you're right, it's

491
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 3: Benuts he marries Marie.

492
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 2: Remember you were like, we should just get rid of him.

493
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:14,400
Speaker 3: We would. He married Marie's fifteen year old sister, Fay instead,

494
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 3: So we can't get rid of this guy. Yeah.

495
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 1: She was fifteen.

496
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, well maybe not that, but pretty fucking young, pretty young,

497
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:25,160
Speaker 3: like twenty there.

498
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 1: I would love to turn her onto Korean skincare it

499
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 1: is a life changer. It's a fucking life changer. Go

500
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 1: to TJ Max, change your own life. I swear to God.

501
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 2: Now you can tell they didn't have it back then.

502
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 1: They did not. It's all just one burlap sack that

503
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,199
Speaker 1: the whole town shared.

504
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 3: Break it off, Marie. So basically there's a court. They

505
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,360
Speaker 3: go to court and in the end there's a hung

506
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 3: jury and the judge declares a mistrial, and so the

507
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:58,400
Speaker 3: prosecutor chooses not to charge Marie again. So she got

508
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 3: away with this arson. So between the fire nineteen fifteen

509
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 3: and nineteen nineteen, when McNutt disappears, the McDonald's wind up

510
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 3: opening the Wolverine, this boarding house using funding from McNutt.

511
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 2: But that was a bad idea to do.

512
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 1: You can just keep saying that usually through all these stories.

513
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's everything's a bad idea, bad idea. So Pearl,

514
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 3: the wife Pearl McNutt, who has three children with McNutt,

515
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 3: it says Jesus she when she's sang to the police

516
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 3: that she can't find her husband. She says that he

517
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 3: had gotten into an argument with the McDonald's siblings who

518
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 3: had said that if he came back to the wolverine again,

519
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 3: they would shoot him. And so weeks later, Pearl's like,

520
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 3: he went back and I haven't seen him.

521
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, And the Detective's like, let me think about this

522
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: for a little while.

523
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, everyone's just going to take some time. That's not

524
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 3: to rush any fucking judgment. Pearl also tells the police

525
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 3: that all four McDonald's siblings are now missing themselves. So

526
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 3: what's more, when police look into the case, they quickly

527
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:10,679
Speaker 3: realize that Fay had shipped all of her belongings to

528
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 3: Los Angeles under a fake name. Yeah. So at this point,

529
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 3: the fact that alf McDonald's are missing, police are entertaining

530
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 3: the idea that Marie has actually run off with McNutt,

531
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 3: not that they shot him as they said they would

532
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 3: when if he ever came back.

533
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 2: But Okay, he.

534
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 1: Might be under her coat. Maybe that's what That's what

535
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:33,919
Speaker 1: I'm seeing.

536
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 3: So a prol goo that does what any person would

537
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 3: do and goes to a psychic, a local psychic named

538
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 3: Selma Armor. That's a good psychic, name's great, and she

539
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 3: says that McNutt has been murdered and his body is

540
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 3: buried on a ranch.

541
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 2: That's her premonition.

542
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 3: This is backed up when an anonymous tipster calls the

543
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 3: Burns Detective Agency in Los Angeles. So at this point

544
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,360
Speaker 3: have been looped in on the case since they think

545
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 3: Fay and space and all her stuff to Los Angeles,

546
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 3: or like, let's keep an eye out for the tall one.

547
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 3: This tipster says that McNutt had been killed with a

548
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 3: hammer at the Wolverine in June, a month earlier, and

549
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 3: then they can't identify who this caller is, but they're

550
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 3: pretty sure that it is William Wilkinson, the husband's times

551
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 3: two husband squared who married the sister and then the sister.

552
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah that guy.

553
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, this is complicated, and I'm back, what are

554
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 3: you thinking about?

555
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 1: You know, just if those people come, no, not thinking

556
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: of jokes to say, I was gonna yell, look at

557
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: the mcnuts everybody, and then.

558
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 2: Oh that would have been great.

559
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 3: I'll do it.

560
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: They're not here. There's someone here, okay.

561
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 3: At this point, the Burns Detectives lowcate Fay and her

562
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 3: husband in Los Angeles, but there's no evidence connecting her

563
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 3: to Micknut's disappearance. But that changes in October second, nineteen nineteen,

564
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 3: when the anonymous tips this guy can't stop talking, calls

565
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 3: detectives and tells them where mcnutt's body can be found.

566
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: Okay, this person was clearly at the murder, right, witnessing,

567
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: perhaps a journalist of some kinds.

568
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 3: Right, and can't stop feeding them information and they're like, okay,

569
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 3: here is like get sending them a map or like

570
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 3: like a map quest.

571
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: Of he's dropping a pin for these motherfuckers and it

572
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: is not working.

573
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 3: Finally, the tipster tells the Spokane police that McNutt is

574
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 3: buried on his own ranch. Remember when the psychic there's

575
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 3: just so many arrows that nobody's looking at. Yeah, because

576
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 3: remember when the psychic was like, he's buried on a ranch,

577
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 3: and they're like, not his own ranch, it's his own ranch.

578
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 1: It's his ranch. Oh, I thought you meant. The guy

579
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: that was giving the tip was like, it's buried on

580
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: my ranch. And I'm like, that tipster is not good

581
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: at giving tips, so you might as well just come

582
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:53,959
Speaker 1: and get me now I'm being anonymous.

583
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, So the tipster actually gives specifics and he said

584
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 3: that Will McDonald the brother, had been the one to

585
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 3: actually kill McNutt, and he buried him in a four

586
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 3: foot hole on the ranch and then made a bonfire

587
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 3: over the spot to cover up the newly turned earth,

588
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 3: so clearly this person was there, right yeah. Investigators quickly

589
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 3: find the burned area and start digging. Soon they find

590
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 3: the edge of a blanket and they realize it's wrapped

591
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 3: around a body. Pearls on the scene and identifies her husband,

592
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 3: William McNutt, and his skull has been hit multiple times

593
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 3: with the blunt objects.

594
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 2: Just as the tipster had said.

595
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: Yeah it was a hammer, right.

596
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like it.

597
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 3: At this point, the Spokane police telegraph Los Angeles police

598
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 3: and they arrest three of the four McDonald's siblings, Marie

599
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 3: Fay and this is what they were in Ted, I'm

600
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 3: gonna burp.

601
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: What was Ted like? Do you think? Thank you?

602
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 2: Keep asking me? Was I bet?

603
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: Ted was just kind of like the younger brother, he's

604
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: a fuck up.

605
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 2: Thank you.

606
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: Actually, I'm just describing House of Guinness right now. That's

607
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: why my brain went.

608
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 2: I've been watching that too.

609
00:30:55,440 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: It's good, right, yeah, yeah, thank you, you're welcome time.

610
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 2: Sorry about the red bull smell.

611
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 3: Red bull and lobsterl ew guys, that's why why is

612
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 3: that your your city treat? Sorry?

613
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 2: Now, it's actually my signature sent.

614
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: The cats will love you.

615
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 2: It gives you fins. That's so lobsters don't have food there,

616
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 2: thank you. Okay.

617
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 3: But they can't track down the fourth sibling, William, because

618
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 3: he's Williams and that, as you recall, is the one

619
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 3: who was said actually killed and buried McNutt. So he's

620
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 3: kind of the one that they want the most, and

621
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 3: they can't find him. And in late October nineteen nineteen,

622
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 3: the remaining three McDonald's siblings are extradited to Spokane and

623
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 3: charged with mcnutt's murder. The McDonald Oh yeah, I was

624
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 3: a picture, Oh she conas do you see Charlie XCX

625
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 3: right there right?

626
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 2: And that must be Lord.

627
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: Then you cannot argue with those eyebrows though, and they

628
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: are just just devastating brows. Yeah, those are not even yeah,

629
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: from one hundred and some odd years ago, right wow.

630
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 3: Okay, So that's them there and going to a trial.

631
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 3: And so basically the trial begins in January of nineteen

632
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 3: twenty and will McDonald still isn't located. The sibling story

633
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 3: has changed and just keeps changing. Marie says that McNutt

634
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 3: had come to the Wolverine and had physically attacked her,

635
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 3: and that Fay, her sister had tried to protect her,

636
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 3: and then Will, the brother had bursts dramatically into the room.

637
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 3: At that point, there's two Wills. Now, at that point

638
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 3: McNutt had drawn a gun. So the victim had drawn

639
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 3: a gun and fired at least twice, missing Will, and

640
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 3: that Will had beaten them on the head with a

641
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 3: hammer and self defense, and the siblings back that up.

642
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: Okay, it's just the whole hammer part, right, is a

643
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: little violent, right. And also, weren't there multiple contusions if

644
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: I must.

645
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know what, there weren't bullet holes anywhere. Yeah,

646
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 3: So because you'd be like, well, why don't we just

647
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 3: immediately get the cops and be like it was self defense.

648
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 3: See there's a bullet hole in a bullet hole, And

649
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 3: it was like, oh, there aren't any that's right, So okay,

650
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 3: that's not going to work. And so there are a

651
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 3: lot of holes in the story except there aren't any hole.

652
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 2: I was like trying to think that was great.

653
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 3: And the other thing that's weird is the day after

654
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 3: this happens, Marie had tried to pay for some hosiary hosiery.

655
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 3: Hosiery either one in a department store with a check

656
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 3: from mcnutt's check book. So that's not great. I like,

657
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 3: just don't do that, he said I could, right.

658
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 2: Right.

659
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 3: So Thirdly, the day after McNutt first went missing, someone

660
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 3: asked Fay, one of the sisters, where he was and

661
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 3: she answered that he had gone fishing. He's gone fishing,

662
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 3: which is like And then also they drive out of

663
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 3: town when they leave for Los Angeles in mcnut's car,

664
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 3: So not the best plan.

665
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: They're flippant, they're stealing his stuff. Yeah, they still have

666
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: all their furniture.

667
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 2: Right, and their hammer.

668
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: It's the beginning of the Beverly Hillbillies. Shit.

669
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 3: So despite all these holes, the fact that McDonald's, the

670
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,439
Speaker 3: McDonald's tell a story of self defense and that they

671
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 3: say that it was actually the brother who did the deed. Anyways,

672
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 3: who isn't here, all three McDonald's, Marie, Fay, and Ted

673
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 3: are found not guilty. Oh but they're all rearrested and

674
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 3: recharged the next day for forgery and for trying to

675
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 3: pass that check, for stealing the car, just for doing stupid.

676
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 3: I'm not telling you how to commit a crime. You

677
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,280
Speaker 3: shouldn't commit a crime. Don't commit a crime.

678
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: But when you do, right, leave the car in the

679
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:15,280
Speaker 1: guy's garage, right, and this in the end, the sisters

680
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,720
Speaker 1: are found guilty, uh and Ted is found not guilty.

681
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 3: So the sisters appeal their cases. They're let out of

682
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 3: jail on bond, which is a big mistake because they

683
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 3: fucking's good at all.

684
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna told you that. Now there's like a

685
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:31,919
Speaker 1: three kids in a coat, like they're like, we got

686
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: to get out of.

687
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 3: Here, put that coat on. This is this, okay, spoken

688
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 3: detective is sent to track them down, which like had

689
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 3: to be the most exciting like thing of his life.

690
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: Right, it's on his suspenders, he's on his coat, in

691
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: a ring coat over it.

692
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 3: Hey, Like how fun. He's sent to track her, track

693
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 3: them down. He tracks Fae to Tampico, Mexico. So this

694
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 3: is like exotic for him. Now he's living his life,

695
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 3: and I mean, this is up, but probably a little

696
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:08,479
Speaker 3: bit jarring to his system. Sure, yeah, you gotta think

697
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 3: he finds her. I'm just picturing the fucking noir movie

698
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 3: in my head right now.

699
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: Of it.

700
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 3: It's so it's just so good, I'm never gonna write it.

701
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 3: He finds her at a dance hall, known to be

702
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 3: popular with American women, called Madame Rossi's yeah take me

703
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 3: there in nineteen nineteen twenty.

704
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: Back then the Italians were even more potent than they

705
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: are now. You know what I mean. Madame Rossi was

706
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: doing it.

707
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 3: Yes, But as soon as the detective walks into the

708
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 3: dance hall, he overhears a woman say quote, I'm tired

709
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 3: of it. I give anything to get out of this

710
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 3: place and go back home end quote. And he turns

711
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,439
Speaker 3: around and realizes it's actually Fay, the person who's tracking

712
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 3: you walked right into Yeah.

713
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 2: So she doesn't even want to be there, and.

714
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 1: He's like, to do that voice for the rest of

715
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: the story, just fyi.

716
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 3: He buys her a drink and eventually gets do identify himself.

717
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 2: No, it's terrible.

718
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 3: Even so he buys her a drink and he's like,

719
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 3: you're Fae, right, and she's like, yes, I don't want

720
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 3: to be here. But Spokane can't get Spokane police can't.

721
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 2: Get Fae extradited.

722
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 3: And it's not until months later when she willingly crosses

723
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 3: the border into Beaumont, Texas. Because that she's finally arrested,

724
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 3: so they just like waited her out. In nineteen twenties

725
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 3: Mexico and to come home and it worked.

726
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

727
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,760
Speaker 3: Yeah. She serves three years in prison in Walla, Walla

728
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 3: and then moves to Saint Louis, where she lives a

729
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 3: tall but relatively quiet life. I don't even know that

730
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 3: was her anymore? Was she the tall one?

731
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 2: They're both the tall one.

732
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: I think Marie, I can't remember.

733
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 3: No, how can you expect us to remember these things?

734
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: Listen?

735
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 3: In nineteen forty four, twenty.

736
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 2: Five years, oh, twenty five years? Can which is? Which

737
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,720
Speaker 2: is how many? In today's you're forty seven?

738
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 3: It's right. In nineteen forty four, twenty five years after

739
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 3: or William mcnutt's murder, the Spokane County Sheriff talks about

740
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,399
Speaker 3: the efforts to find will and Marie because they never

741
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 3: found those two siblings to bring them to justice, saying, quote,

742
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 3: the search is gone from Havana, Cuba to Petersburg, Alaska,

743
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 3: but we haven't.

744
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:15,760
Speaker 2: Caught up with Will.

745
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 3: It's also like you guys had so much fun looking

746
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 3: for them in Havana, Cuba and Petersburg, Alaska.

747
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:24,280
Speaker 1: Exactly.

748
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 3: They say, we were reasonably sure he was in Havana

749
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 3: in nineteen twenty four, but the Cuban authorities failed to

750
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 3: arrest him, saying that he wasn't the right man.

751
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:35,280
Speaker 2: That sounds passive aggressive.

752
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 3: In nineteen twenty eight, we had reason to believe he

753
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 3: was running whiskey between Key West and Havanah, but again

754
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,919
Speaker 3: he slipped away before he was arrested. End quote. Will

755
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 3: and Marie are never found oh and never brought to justice.

756
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:50,439
Speaker 2: And that is the story.

757
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,760
Speaker 3: Of the infamous McDonald's siblings and the sad technically unsolved

758
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 3: murder of Will McNutt.

759
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:57,760
Speaker 2: Wow, that's swell McNutt.

760
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 3: Fairy is it's a terrible photo.

761
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 1: Sorry, And that that's from his instagram.

762
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 3: Your son, Yeah, that's he's got that filter on it.

763
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 2: The FaceTime.

764
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: I love the historical Uh yeah, what happened?

765
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 3: Oh?

766
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: Oh, thank you says and gentlemen, thank you, thank you

767
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 1: so much.

768
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 2: You got it.

769
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: It's that email we were talking about earlier.

770
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 2: They're still not here, is that?

771
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,959
Speaker 1: Okay? Great job?

772
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 2: Thank you.

773
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: It's fun to do historical and imagine and think about

774
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: all the things you don't know about from history.

775
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 2: Like all the things that are lost.

776
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: Also, you were talking about like the story started in

777
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: nineteen nineteen, and I immediately was like, that's from Laura

778
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: Inglesfields or time.

779
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 3: Just anything an when it is Laura, I don't even know.

780
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: I'm eighteen eighteen, seventeen seventy Laura. Are you here tonight?

781
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, that'd be incredible. What a guest spot

782
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 1: I mean, sorry, Nick.

783
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 2: Terry, that would be a gut.

784
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 1: Are you ready for this?

785
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 3: I am?

786
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: Okay, this is well. To tell my story tonight, I

787
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: had to do a quick refresher on a story you

788
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: already told on our podcast. And most of the people

789
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: in this room probably don't need this refresher.

790
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 2: But man, did I probably do?

791
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: Though you the person who told the story the first time. Okay, well,

792
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: then let's all talk like we've never heard this before.

793
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 2: Okay.

794
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 3: Uh.

795
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 1: This is one of the Pacific Northwest's most infamous crimes.

796
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: It's the case of dB Cooper and the hijacket.

797
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we know it.

798
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: We love it, We theorize about it. Yes, we say

799
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: where did he get those sunglasses? Why can't I have

800
00:40:58,600 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: those sunglasses?

801
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 3: On?

802
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: And on? What I learned when I was writing this

803
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: cold open is that did you know? And you probably

804
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: told me this? So the answer is probably yes. That

805
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,879
Speaker 1: his name the fake name that the man actually did

806
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: he gave was Dave.

807
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 3: Dave.

808
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 2: I know, I fucking know that.

809
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: It's a da man named five.

810
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 3: Hundred episodes, you guys, ten years I would have sworn

811
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:27,280
Speaker 3: it was Dad.

812
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 1: Listen. We try to make it worth your money buying

813
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: these tickets by showing you all the mistakes that get

814
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 1: cut out of the episodes.

815
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 3: So the beauty of the live show as you go see,

816
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 3: it's oh natural, the extra fuck ups.

817
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: Okay, so that's episode two seventy two drag alongs if

818
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,240
Speaker 1: you want to catch up, but here are the cliffs

819
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: notes if not. So. The day before Thanksgiving nineteen seventy one,

820
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,919
Speaker 1: a man using fake named you. What name did you say,

821
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: Dann You were right? You were right.

822
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 3: I just saw yeah. Take a victory lap.

823
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: Take a full victory lap. Yeah.

824
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 3: Wow, that feels incredible.

825
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: Job, you really did it.

826
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 3: You take it where you can get it, you know, right, Dave?

827
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 3: Because they didn't have Dave.

828
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 2: In the seventies.

829
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 1: No, not at all.

830
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 2: There is not long day now. Okay.

831
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: He gets on the two thirty five flight from Portland

832
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: to Seattle. Shortly after takeoff, he passes a folded note

833
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: to the steward is sitting behind him. They were called that.

834
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: Then I think the mcnuts are here. Oh no, oh,

835
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 1: oh they are wrong side. So Dan passes a note

836
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: to the flight attendant sitting behind him, and she immediately

837
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: takes it and puts it in her purse without reading it.

838
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 3: That's right, but she thinks he's hitting on her.

839
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 1: She's like, go away, grossman in sunglasses. This again, he

840
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 1: leans over and says, miss, you better have a look

841
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,839
Speaker 1: at that note. I have a bomb. She locks eyes

842
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: with him, they fall deep land loss. Actually, what he

843
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: does is he opens up her bag and he shows

844
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 1: her what to her looks like four sticks of dynamite

845
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,879
Speaker 1: with wires attached. He then dictates his demands to her

846
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 1: as she takes notes, and as he dictates those notes,

847
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: they lock eyes and fall madly and lost time. Sorry,

848
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 1: you see this how I waste time In the morning.

849
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: I drink a bunch of coffee and I'm like, this

850
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: is hilarious. It's like, it's not though. The flight attendant

851
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: brings this list to the cockpit. The pilot is apprized

852
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 1: of the situation. He radio Sea TAC air traffic Control,

853
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: saying he needs two hundred thousand dollars two sets of

854
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: parachutes to be ready when they land in Seattle, and

855
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 1: that when that money comes on board, all the passengers

856
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 1: will be released. And they are. The plane is refueled,

857
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: they head back toward Mexico. Dan demands that they lower

858
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: the staircase in the plane and the pilot says that's

859
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: bad for flying. He says, I don't give a shit.

860
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: I know you can do it. Then they do it.

861
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:08,720
Speaker 1: He jumps out of that fucking plane.

862
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 3: You think he wanted to do like a Frank Sinatra

863
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:17,439
Speaker 3: like step kind of a step thing. I did it.

864
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 3: My whoa.

865
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: Sunglasses glide out?

866
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 3: Okay, there there he is.

867
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: We've been talking about him this whole time. And actually

868
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: now those sunglasses are back in fashion, and I just

869
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,479
Speaker 1: want all the ladies in here that have those real

870
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: narrow cross sunglasses. I want to let you know that,

871
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:43,280
Speaker 1: much like eyebrow blindness from the twenty tens, you're going

872
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: to regret those sunglasses. It's not that you're not gorgeous,

873
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 1: it's just that they're so fucking stupid looking. Okay, let

874
00:44:54,560 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: Grandma tell you about fashion. So uh. He jumps out

875
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 1: somewhere near Mount Saint Helens. He has never seen again.

876
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: Some people think that that man is Richard Floyd McCoy.

877
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 1: I covered that in episode four thirty eight. Wise, there

878
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: are all these plugs for our shows.

879
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 3: We wish you guys would listen.

880
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: They're like, we literally can't do more for you. But

881
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 1: I tell you all of that tonight because there was

882
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,879
Speaker 1: a story in two thousand and eight that very much,

883
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 1: we can say parallels the story of dB Cooper. It's

884
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:39,399
Speaker 1: another heist that happens up here, very similar. Some call

885
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: it the modern day D B. Cooper case. This is

886
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: the story of the two thousand and eight robbery by

887
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: dB tuber.

888
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 3: What Yeah, I can't believe we haven't talked about never

889
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 3: mind what enough now?

890
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 2: Yeah?

891
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:56,760
Speaker 1: Oh yeahs the chainsaw heist.

892
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 2: I don't want to talk about it.

893
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: Well I do want to talk of that.

894
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 2: I did it. It turns out I did it.

895
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: Did you do that? In between tour dates?

896
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 3: I can't?

897
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: You just you shouldn't talk about it?

898
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 2: Okay?

899
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: How is that tiera though? Oh amazing. I love the

900
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 1: idea that you're just going to steal the most famous

901
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,399
Speaker 1: like jewels in the world and then just be like, sure,

902
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: I'll sell them down.

903
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, someone's gonna wear this crown. The fucking debutante.

904
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: I can probably get fifty grand for this thing.

905
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 2: Did you notice my pearls?

906
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 3: They are gorgeous. Clutching my pearls.

907
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: Everyone, let's clutch those, get ready, because there's a lot

908
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: of clutchy moments in my story. The sources for the

909
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: Marin News for this story or the twenty fourteen episode

910
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:45,720
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty about it entitled The Almost Perfect Robbery,

911
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: a twenty ten article by writer David Kushner for GQ

912
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: entitled The All American Bank Heist, and write ups attributed

913
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 1: to the FBI's Seattle Division. Some great writers in Seattle's FBI,

914
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: so it's weird read their substat.

915
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 3: I'm sorry I keep doing this, but one of my

916
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 3: main sources front was Jim Kirshner.

917
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 2: Think they're brothers?

918
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: Do you think they're like, this is David Kushner.

919
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 2: That never mind you they're half brothers.

920
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: And then you're like, wait, it's Dan Kushner. They're half

921
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: brother So to tell the story, first, we have to

922
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 1: meet the man that it all centers around, the dB

923
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 1: Cooper of the story, if you will. He is not

924
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: a mystery man. His name is Anthony Cursio and he

925
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 1: is known as the quote Golden Boy of Monroe, Washington.

926
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: For sure, sure, yes, for all you out of towners.

927
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 3: Oh well, you guys, it's fucking adorable.

928
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: It's so cute. Keep that up by tell you all

929
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: this information. It's a small town on the outskirts of

930
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 1: the Seattle area, population just under twenty thousand according to

931
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty census. You know, or it's one hundred

932
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: and fifty foot steam stack, which is the last remnant

933
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: of the Carnation milk condensery plant that burned down in

934
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: nineteen forty four.

935
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 3: There she is under mysterious circumstances or just burned around.

936
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: We don't talk about the Carnation milk condensery fire around Monroe, Okay.

937
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: It's also the hometown of professional wrestler Yukon Eric Oh

938
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 1: and the Stephen Ray Morris impersonator Benson Boone.

939
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:40,320
Speaker 3: Really yay, Oh, the pride of Monroe, The Pride of Monroe.

940
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 2: Cute.

941
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 1: He used to go smoke cigarettes on top of that

942
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: smoke stack and dream of a day he could have

943
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,720
Speaker 1: a mustache.

944
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,839
Speaker 3: I like, I would move there right this very moment

945
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 3: if you ask me too.

946
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, I mean no, the worst.

947
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: You know, don't you saying no, don't you tear talk

948
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 1: bad about Monroe?

949
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 3: Is it the Orange County of Washington? No worse?

950
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 1: But they're jealous because they don't have a creamery smoke

951
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: star and they never have.

952
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 2: Okay, sorry, I'm not moving there.

953
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 1: We've all decided you're not going to Okay. So Anthony

954
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 1: is born and raised in Monroe. His parents run a

955
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 1: very successful landscaping business. His dad is a former football

956
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 1: star from the University of Idaho. Basically, basically, basically everyone

957
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: in Monroe knows the Cursio family, and like his father Anthony,

958
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: when he gets to high school, he becomes a football star.

959
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 1: I think the boys don't have a choice when their

960
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 1: dad is a full rit star, unless, of course, they

961
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 1: get a nosering and then oh my god, time to

962
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 1: join a band. So he's basically this guy is basically

963
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: the jock from every teen movie. He's good looking, he

964
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 1: has tons of friends, he's the star wide receipt on

965
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 1: them in row high football team. And just to be

966
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 1: extra corny, he is dating Emily, the captain of the

967
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 1: cheerleading squad.

968
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:09,280
Speaker 3: They're never dating the cutener.

969
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: Look at him. Did you see Anthony Cursio at the

970
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: cagar last heat.

971
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's yeah, it's just what you think

972
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 2: it would be.

973
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, it's funny because I don't know

974
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 3: if we're like mad at him yet because I don't

975
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 3: know the story.

976
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 1: So I don't think you have to be mad at it. Okay, great, unless,

977
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: of course you're jealous of his beautiful face and a shirt. Okay.

978
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 1: When he graduates, Anthony has offered an athletic scholarship to

979
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,399
Speaker 1: the University of Idaho, where his father went. That part

980
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:48,919
Speaker 1: gave me a stomach ache. It's all going so well

981
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: for Anthony, but the pendulum must always swing, she must

982
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 1: always swing too much coffee. And then I wrote one

983
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 1: day you're up, next day you're down. That's life. That's

984
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: called overwrite, that's called overstaying. You're welcome in the joke.

985
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: So he makes it to his sophomore year in college,

986
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:17,280
Speaker 1: and then one day at practice he hears, oh, sorry, glory,

987
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,320
Speaker 1: he tears his ACL. But I was saying he hears

988
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: himself tear his ACL. Oh, I bet you can't hear

989
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 1: it like a pop and then a fizz and then basically,

990
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:33,839
Speaker 1: for all intents and purposes, his football career is over.

991
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: So what happens is that while he is on the mend,

992
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: he's prescribed if I get in for the pain, but

993
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: he can't play of course, and then he's hanging out

994
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: with his friends and he's going to more parties than

995
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 1: he usually goes to, and then the balance shifts. He

996
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 1: will later say, quote, I was depressed that my whole

997
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 1: identity wrapped around sports was gone. Now I was just

998
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: a student. I latched onto the painkillers and within a

999
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: few prescriptions my football dream was gone. The pills had

1000
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 1: me ouch.

1001
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 3: Yeah. Fine. Yeah.

1002
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 1: There's so many just just innocent people that had an

1003
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: injury and their doctor was like, hey, would you like

1004
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: heroin in a pill? And they're like, oh, I guess

1005
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:17,760
Speaker 1: so I mean you're the doctor?

1006
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 3: Yeah boom, Yeah that's horrible.

1007
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 1: Okay did someone just yell that happened to my dad?

1008
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 1: What's going on? Okay, so this is the early two thousands.

1009
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,280
Speaker 3: Or did they say that was my dad, like the doctor,

1010
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:32,760
Speaker 3: like their dad was the doctor.

1011
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: Well, we can't talk about your dad right now. I'm

1012
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 1: sure he was a wonderful physician, but we have this

1013
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: fucking show to wrap up. I'm only on page four. Okay,

1014
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: So when Anthony's vicatin prescription runs out, he gets desperate.

1015
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 1: He steals pills out of his friend's medicine cabinets. Who

1016
00:52:56,320 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 1: hasn't he forges prescriptions, which, depending on the drug, can

1017
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: be a federal crime. So everyone in this yes. And

1018
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 1: then inevitably he turns to street drugs, and then soon

1019
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:13,760
Speaker 1: his addiction pivots to cocaine. And I know what you're thinking,

1020
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 1: He's going to get into day trading and wearing Patagonia

1021
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:18,320
Speaker 1: fleece vests all the time.

1022
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 3: Straighten it out right.

1023
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:26,760
Speaker 1: But before he goes that far, Anthony admits he's powerless

1024
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 1: over that white devil cocaine. And with the love and

1025
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,280
Speaker 1: support of his family, he gets help with his addiction,

1026
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:36,240
Speaker 1: and he does get sober. He graduates from college. Yeah,

1027
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 1: I'm sure that's a hard thing to do when you're

1028
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 1: on a combination of vicoin and fucking cocaine. Jesus, that's

1029
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 1: the first time I took pills. I was like, never

1030
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: take these again. These are this is too easy, this

1031
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:55,359
Speaker 1: is too good. I never did and I never did

1032
00:53:55,440 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 1: another drug again, Mommy. Then he graduates from college. I

1033
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 1: said that, moves back to Monroe and marries Emily his

1034
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: high school sweetheart.

1035
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 2: Okay, So, even.

1036
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,919
Speaker 1: Though Anthony's dreams of the NFL are over, his real

1037
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 1: life is very good. Him and Emily have two children.

1038
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 1: They earn a good living flipping houses. What if this

1039
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 1: was actually the secret story of Chip and Joanna Gaines

1040
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 1: And I was.

1041
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 3: Just just, oh my god, I'll bring it up like

1042
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 3: I would like them so much so the.

1043
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: Cursios, they drive nast cars. They have a vacation home.

1044
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 1: On the surface, Anthony has earned back his status as

1045
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 1: Monroe's golden Boy. Is it a big of a deal

1046
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: to be a golden boy if it's in Monroe? Apparently,

1047
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: what you're telling us is it's not. But again, being

1048
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,439
Speaker 1: the golden boy, he gets to go touch the milk

1049
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 1: condensery steam stack whenever he wants to. Amazing such it. Okay,

1050
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 1: But but two thousand and eight hits and the housing

1051
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: market crashes and Anthony's entire livelihood goes out the window.

1052
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 1: Because as I said, that Pendulum, she will swaying. He

1053
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 1: picks up work with his parents landscaping business. It's not

1054
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 1: enough to cover his bills. Before long, his family's financial

1055
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:22,360
Speaker 1: problems are so enormous that they are actually in danger

1056
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:26,800
Speaker 1: of losing their house. Been there, horrifying nightmare. I recommend

1057
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 1: starting a podcast with your friend really helps work for us.

1058
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 1: Oh thank you guys, by the way, that was you.

1059
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:38,320
Speaker 3: Thank you.

1060
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 4: You did it so crazy.

1061
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 3: I literally impoused to lose.

1062
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you're like I did that.

1063
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:59,399
Speaker 1: Uh okay. So with all those external stressors, Anthony relapses,

1064
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: but gritly, Emily has no idea. He's he's only in

1065
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 1: his late twenties. Oh wow, so he you know, he

1066
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 1: thought he was going to live this life and now

1067
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 1: it pivots and he's making the best of this life.

1068
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 1: And then of course outer life goes Watch watch your step.

1069
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 2: Friend, right, don't start roring.

1070
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 3: Tell you're like hard forty eight, you know, yeah, like

1071
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:21,360
Speaker 3: early yeah, right.

1072
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's plenty of chances to do all the things

1073
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 1: this guy's about to do.

1074
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 3: It is wild.

1075
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 1: Okay. So he's now back to losing everything to his

1076
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 1: drug addiction for a second time, and he finds himself

1077
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 1: sitting in the parking lot of a Jack in the

1078
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 1: box and these are dark times. Yeah, how many times

1079
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 1: have you sat in your car quietly in a fast

1080
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 1: food parking lot like I'm fu.

1081
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 2: This is it? I'm fu this is fucking this is

1082
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 2: rock bottom.

1083
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, And when you're in that situation, I recommend a

1084
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:59,800
Speaker 1: sour dough jack because it's simple, it's clean, The flavor

1085
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 1: pro file is very satisfying, but you don't have to

1086
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 1: think a lot about it.

1087
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 2: No, Lettuce, I fucked up the other day.

1088
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 3: There's a Jack in the box near our office and

1089
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:11,760
Speaker 3: I was starving after we recorded and I went through

1090
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 3: the drive through.

1091
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 2: It was the biggest mistake.

1092
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: Did you go crazy with that, like dollar meal or

1093
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 1: something where you're.

1094
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 3: Because I didn't know what I wanted because I was

1095
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 3: starving and I wanted to shove something in my face

1096
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 3: and eating a burger in the car isn't going to work.

1097
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 1: So can I guess?

1098
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 3: Yes, chicken strips, chicken nuggets, it's like not even good,

1099
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 3: like not even close to real chicken.

1100
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1101
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 3: Uh.

1102
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 2: The tacos though, oh.

1103
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 3: Stop it, my god, they're out of so fucking good.

1104
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 1: The tacos are like you get to open a little

1105
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 1: piece of foil and it's like high school. Yeah, it's

1106
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 1: like a cracker. It's like a taco cracker anyway, a

1107
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 1: taco cracker with grease poured into it. It's like they

1108
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 1: cook them and then open them back up and they're like,

1109
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 1: get the orange grease and drip it.

1110
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 2: In, and there's lettuce, so it's healthy.

1111
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 1: There is lettuce, but it's hot lettuce. And that is

1112
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 1: a brave choice. It's a brave culinary choice. It was

1113
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 1: good when we start our Quee's Cuisine podcast. We are

1114
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 1: going to destroy. Okay, reset to where we are. This

1115
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 1: is christ This is Jack and a box parking lot,

1116
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 1: Dark Knight of the Soul. Anthony is angry for what's

1117
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 1: happening with the economy and his family. He's angry at

1118
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 1: the banks, and he's right, but he's also angry because

1119
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 1: he's on drugs and he is desperate to keep feeding

1120
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 1: his addiction at all costs. So what's going on inside

1121
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 1: his drug addled mind as he sits in his car

1122
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 1: in the parking Jack and linees Jack in the box

1123
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 1: parking lot is all that? You know? Whose fault is it?

1124
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 1: I'm so angry. And as he's staring out, he watches

1125
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 1: a Brinx truck pull up in front the Bank of

1126
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:56,439
Speaker 1: America across the street. He watches the Brinks guards hop

1127
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,959
Speaker 1: out transporting big bags of cash into or perhaps out

1128
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 1: of I'm not sure. Allegedly the bank, and this gets

1129
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 1: him thinking. He thinks, if I just had one of

1130
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 1: those bad shit, all of my problems would be solved.

1131
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 1: And here's a quote he later gives about this moment

1132
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 1: in his life. He says, quote, I was fucked and

1133
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 1: I thought I could fix everything. I just wanted to

1134
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 1: be the hero again, Anthony. So if you right now

1135
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 1: your only elective in high school is football, go ahead

1136
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 1: and take a music class.

1137
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, how about it?

1138
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 1: How about some fun writing classes? Just see, just to see.

1139
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 1: Let's have several safety nets, please. So when Anthony gets home,

1140
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 1: he googles the phrase armored truck for every own.

1141
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 3: Oh man, he was just.

1142
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 1: Trying to get a little information.

1143
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 3: Sure, the more he among us hasn't everyone has that

1144
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 3: in their search history?

1145
00:59:57,560 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1146
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 3: Right, but only a few of us have done it, right.

1147
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 1: I wish we had her phone so we could just

1148
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 1: read each other our most recent Google search history. Oh god,

1149
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 1: mine is definitely which one is stronger? Vicdin or whatever

1150
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 1: the fuck other thing he was taking. I'm something like that.

1151
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 3: Not for yourself?

1152
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 1: What? No, not at all, not in the least.

1153
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 2: My Bins comes out here with both our phones and

1154
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 2: he's like.

1155
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 1: Do it read it, Okay, So the more he reads,

1156
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 1: the more certain he is that he can pull one

1157
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 1: of these off. He goes for some light research to

1158
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 1: actual planning mode. Almost immediately he's gonna rob the Branks

1159
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 1: guards as they deliver money to that Bank of America

1160
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 1: in Minroe. So what he does is he begins to

1161
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 1: case the bank in disguise. He puts on some generic

1162
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 1: landscape or clothing because it's family business. But he also

1163
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 1: then goes and somehow gets some more titians wax, the

1164
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 1: ones that more used to make people's faces look normal

1165
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 1: when they're for the viewing. Yeah, yeah, and he uses

1166
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 1: that to obscure his facial features because not forget, he's

1167
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 1: the golden boy of Monroe.

1168
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:23,439
Speaker 3: Right, No, okay, everybody, all right, that's the morticians right

1169
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 3: underneath that smokestack, just directly beneath it.

1170
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 1: Okay. So uh, he starts casing the building. He studies

1171
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:35,120
Speaker 1: the entrances and exits the number of staff. When the

1172
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 1: Brinks delivery and pick up schedule is the escape any

1173
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 1: escape routes, He gives it the full stathem, and then

1174
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 1: I wrote here a little exchange. Do you want to

1175
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 1: do the first lady and I'll be the second, lady,

1176
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 1: I'm first, you're first, And.

1177
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 2: Do you have Ladys Joan?

1178
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 3: Was that the golden boy of Monroe I saw casing

1179
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 3: the b of a today.

1180
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 1: No, Mareen, don't be crazy. That was just a animated

1181
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 1: corpse from the funeral home pretending to trim aheadge. Sometimes

1182
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 1: there's too much time to work on these stories, so

1183
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 1: Anthony decides that the best bet for him here. His

1184
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:23,440
Speaker 1: escape route is to run out of the bank, across

1185
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 1: the busy intersection and down into the local creek. Okay,

1186
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 1: that's drugs and action, my friends. Oh, run it by someone.

1187
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 3: Drugs have the worst ideas, I mean wild.

1188
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 1: So he believes that if he could just stash a

1189
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 1: jet ski down.

1190
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 2: In the creek.

1191
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:50,560
Speaker 1: Fuck, fuck, we're getting into the territory of your friend's

1192
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 1: the bartender. The bar's closed, You've done some lines, and

1193
01:02:53,680 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 1: now you're just coming up with ideas. The problem is

1194
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 1: that the creek is less than two feet deep. Right.

1195
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 2: Okay, Oh there she is, there she is.

1196
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 1: It's not jet ski territory in any way, shape or found.

1197
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 2: No gorgeous though, yeah, truly beautiful.

1198
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 1: It's time here, So he's gonna steal the cash, run

1199
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 1: across the intersection in the light of day, Climb down

1200
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 1: into the creek, get on his waiting jet ski, ride

1201
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 1: downstream a short way. We've stolen bags of cash. Ditch

1202
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 1: that jet ski, climb back up out of the creek

1203
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 1: to a nearby road to his pre park, gettory car

1204
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 1: and drive away. Is it okay, it's fun, it's easy

1205
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:45,400
Speaker 1: now and gets hurt? But what when Anthony tests this

1206
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 1: plan out with an actual jet ski in that actual creek.

1207
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 1: He does a dry run run, but a lightly moist

1208
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 1: run because there's hardly any fucking water. Yeah, that's when

1209
01:03:57,160 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 1: he realizes that the plant isn't gonna work.

1210
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 2: There doesn't do it, and that's the end of the

1211
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:03,919
Speaker 2: stor wish it were.

1212
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 1: Instead of coming up with a new plan, Anthony spends

1213
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 1: upwards of seven hours a day for several weeks dredging

1214
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:15,000
Speaker 1: the creek to make it deeper so he can ride

1215
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 1: a jet ski on it.

1216
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:17,200
Speaker 3: Yes, he does.

1217
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:21,440
Speaker 1: You can say no all you want. That's what happened.

1218
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 1: You can't refuse.

1219
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 3: I mean you might as well like ice it over

1220
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:30,160
Speaker 3: and fucking ice skate away like for ever.

1221
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 1: Like Snoopy. At the beginning of the Christmas Special, it's

1222
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 1: just like now this money's.

1223
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, well okay, we don't want to, like I

1224
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 3: don't want to.

1225
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 2: You know, he needs some help, but.

1226
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:46,440
Speaker 1: That is it's it's great to have big ideas and

1227
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 1: get creative and try to push the boundaries, but you

1228
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 1: can't change the way fucking water works. He just that's

1229
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:57,880
Speaker 1: not on you, Okay. When he's done with his one

1230
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:02,840
Speaker 1: man's civil engineering scheme, Anthony does another practice run with

1231
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:05,680
Speaker 1: the jet ski in the creek. This time he hits

1232
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 1: a big rock, so it's not just about getting the

1233
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 1: bottom lower. Yeah, it's also then there's the other things

1234
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:15,640
Speaker 1: in the creek that are difficult. Now he knows he

1235
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:18,919
Speaker 1: has to let go of the jet ski plane, goes

1236
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 1: back to the jack in the box parking lot and

1237
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:26,240
Speaker 1: he cries into a taco, and then he goes back

1238
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:29,240
Speaker 1: to the drawing board and then he finally sees it

1239
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 1: so clearly he needs to swap the jet ski for

1240
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 1: an inner tube, because.

1241
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 2: There was an inner tube without pressure.

1242
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:40,720
Speaker 3: And I was like, don't mention it, because there's no

1243
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 3: fucking way in that photo.

1244
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:49,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like waiting like a little specter back there. Yeah,

1245
01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:53,400
Speaker 1: oh there she is. That's the real one he actually used.

1246
01:05:54,920 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 1: He literally like took his daughter's inner tube and was like, quickly,

1247
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 1: let daddy rob the Brits.

1248
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 3: Oh my god, he like straight up lazy river that

1249
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:07,440
Speaker 3: shit out of the holy shit.

1250
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 1: He lazy he lazy rivered it. And you know what

1251
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:13,400
Speaker 1: he did too. I know, I don't know if it's

1252
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:17,240
Speaker 1: right here or where it happened, but he actually nailed

1253
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 1: a wire from like one tree where he first ran

1254
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:24,640
Speaker 1: into me, all the way down two hundred yards to

1255
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 1: where he planned to come up out. So he was

1256
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:27,760
Speaker 1: like doing this.

1257
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:33,520
Speaker 3: Oh, I mean, that makes sense, but it's also like fingerprint, fingerprint, fingerprint, yeah,

1258
01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 3: over and over again, or.

1259
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 1: Just like just run down the goddamn block. At this point,

1260
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:45,120
Speaker 1: now you're just kind of partying by yourself and the creek, yeah,

1261
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:46,920
Speaker 1: or at least get a stoner friend to do it

1262
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:48,960
Speaker 1: with you, Like that's what creeks are for.

1263
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah.

1264
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 1: So at this point, Anthony's been planning the robbery for

1265
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:58,920
Speaker 1: several months and he's almost ready to pull the trigger,

1266
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:01,800
Speaker 1: but he has a cup final tasks. The first order

1267
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 1: of business he has to stash some supplies, including that

1268
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:11,720
Speaker 1: inner tube, under a nearby dumpster. So that's He basically

1269
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:14,000
Speaker 1: is going to squirrel away, very druggy. He's going to

1270
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:16,360
Speaker 1: squirrel away all the things he needs as he does

1271
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:19,760
Speaker 1: this thing. When he does that, he is it is.

1272
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:22,160
Speaker 1: The action is witnessed by a fifty three year old

1273
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 1: man named Alan Dean, So Alan himself.

1274
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:27,080
Speaker 2: This is Alan.

1275
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:34,160
Speaker 1: This is from Alan's interview on twenty twenty Oh wow.

1276
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:37,439
Speaker 1: So you can go watch that episode. So at the time,

1277
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:41,400
Speaker 1: Alan is experiencing homelessness, and he had been since the nineties,

1278
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:45,040
Speaker 1: when a heart condition made it impossible for him to

1279
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:48,680
Speaker 1: continue working as a carpenter. And since that time he'd

1280
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:52,240
Speaker 1: been panhandling around Monroe, and his plan was to save

1281
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:54,440
Speaker 1: up enough money to get a car so that he

1282
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 1: could drive back to the East Coast where his children live,

1283
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:02,600
Speaker 1: because he had a family. He's a sharp guy, and

1284
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:05,800
Speaker 1: by his own telling, he stays sharp by buying two

1285
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 1: newspapers every day, he reads them cover to cover, and

1286
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:12,360
Speaker 1: then he does the crossword puzzles every single day without fail.

1287
01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:16,799
Speaker 1: So when he sees Anthony roll up into that dumpster

1288
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:20,479
Speaker 1: and hide the inner two oh wow yeah, along with

1289
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:25,040
Speaker 1: a huge can of mace, a wig, and other suspicious items,

1290
01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:28,559
Speaker 1: Alan puts two and two together, and he yells over

1291
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:36,679
Speaker 1: to Anthony, I'm onto you. Oh no, I've seen this before.

1292
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:39,080
Speaker 1: Inner tube, wig mace, I know.

1293
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:40,439
Speaker 3: What you're doing bank.

1294
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:41,519
Speaker 2: Oh man.

1295
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:45,080
Speaker 1: It's also a very fun thing to yell at a

1296
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 1: stranger anytime, just like yes, right across the street, they're

1297
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:52,280
Speaker 1: walking this way, you're walking out.

1298
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 3: I'mm on you.

1299
01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:59,760
Speaker 1: Of course, Anthony is very rattled by this because he's

1300
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:03,080
Speaker 1: doing something, he's planning something illegal, and he's on drugs.

1301
01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:06,519
Speaker 1: He doesn't know alanie, he's never seen him before. But

1302
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:09,800
Speaker 1: he just ultimately brushes the comment off. He decides to

1303
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:12,559
Speaker 1: leave all the items where they are because even though

1304
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:16,519
Speaker 1: someone's onto him, that's fine, and he's probably just so

1305
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:19,040
Speaker 1: focused on like me in that inner tube and the wire,

1306
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 1: it's going to be amazing. He will later admit that

1307
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:27,799
Speaker 1: he underestimated Alan, thinking quote, well, maybe if he's homeless,

1308
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:31,040
Speaker 1: maybe if he's been drinking, maybe he won't remember my description.

1309
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 1: But Anthony could not be more mistaken. Alan will later say, quote,

1310
01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:39,080
Speaker 1: he probably thought just an old tramp. He ain't gonna

1311
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:41,920
Speaker 1: do nothing, he ain't gonna write my tag number down.

1312
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:50,760
Speaker 1: Wrong game over, Oh my god, wrong game over. This

1313
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:52,719
Speaker 1: is Alan's time to shine game over.

1314
01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:55,360
Speaker 2: I'm on to you like he's got them all.

1315
01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:56,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, he does.

1316
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 1: So Alan basically, when he sees Anthony do all of this,

1317
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:06,320
Speaker 1: he grabs his crossword pencil and he write downs Anthony's

1318
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:11,200
Speaker 1: license plate number. Meanwhile, Anthony's busy checking the last item

1319
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:16,280
Speaker 1: off of his to do list, hiring decoys. What's statue

1320
01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:20,880
Speaker 1: saying what he does? And this is I mean, here's

1321
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:24,200
Speaker 1: the thing, all this energy and creativity. He really made

1322
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:27,000
Speaker 1: a plan and he really got something going. Just for

1323
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:32,120
Speaker 1: bad reasons, but there's a lot of creativity involved. Andy's

1324
01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:37,040
Speaker 1: good looking, so let's defend him. He posts a fake

1325
01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 1: landscaping job on Craigslist under the name Clean Monroe Beautification Project.

1326
01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:45,960
Speaker 1: The add claims to pay twenty eight to fifty an hour.

1327
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:48,479
Speaker 1: You know how much that is in today's money?

1328
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:57,320
Speaker 3: It's probably less, actually, yeah right, yeah.

1329
01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's less, and you can't get an abortion. So

1330
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:08,800
Speaker 1: did you not know a very nice wage during the

1331
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:14,080
Speaker 1: Great recession? It's a weird blind do you want to guess?

1332
01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:16,520
Speaker 2: I'm okay, I'm gonna go.

1333
01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:18,800
Speaker 3: Thirty nine.

1334
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:20,640
Speaker 2: Damn it.

1335
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:22,559
Speaker 1: You know now I'm on your side. It's not fun.

1336
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 2: I'm saying, let's get rid of this.

1337
01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:27,360
Speaker 1: It's so hard, though, it's fun to guess.

1338
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 2: Okay.

1339
01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:31,200
Speaker 1: About fifteen people respond to this fake job listing. Anthony

1340
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:34,400
Speaker 1: follows up with the start time of eleven am on Tuesday,

1341
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:37,519
Speaker 1: September thirtieth. He says they need to report to the

1342
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:39,760
Speaker 1: strip of pavement between the Jack and the Box and

1343
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:45,040
Speaker 1: the Bank of America. Yes, I meet my friends there

1344
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:48,560
Speaker 1: all the time. It's so gorgeous. Have you been Monroe?

1345
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:51,719
Speaker 3: It's so I can't keep turning around.

1346
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:54,080
Speaker 1: I truly can't just give the guy one second. He

1347
01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:57,760
Speaker 1: wasn't even paying attention. I'm really sorry. I won't do

1348
01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:03,240
Speaker 1: it again. Okay. He tells them they need to wear

1349
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:06,160
Speaker 1: a yellow safety vest, a blue hat, a blue shirt,

1350
01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:09,920
Speaker 1: a face mask, and safety glasses. I mean, these people,

1351
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:14,760
Speaker 1: this is the twenty twenty episode re enactment of what

1352
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:15,519
Speaker 1: that looks like.

1353
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:18,360
Speaker 2: No joke, because they all have the same Adidas on.

1354
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:21,759
Speaker 1: To wait, this could be AI.

1355
01:12:22,439 --> 01:12:24,000
Speaker 2: Oh shit, No, it's not, it's not.

1356
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:27,439
Speaker 3: Okay, Oh wow, Okay, I mean that's this is kind

1357
01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:28,000
Speaker 3: of brilliant.

1358
01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:29,360
Speaker 1: It's getting right.

1359
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:30,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1360
01:12:30,040 --> 01:12:34,679
Speaker 1: So here's what happens. So they're all standing there, they're

1361
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:36,280
Speaker 1: waiting for the boss to show up to tell them

1362
01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:38,559
Speaker 1: what to do. And what they don't know is the

1363
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:42,240
Speaker 1: boss is already there, because there's this landscaper that's over

1364
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:44,439
Speaker 1: in front of like the bushes in front of Jack

1365
01:12:44,479 --> 01:12:48,840
Speaker 1: in the Box that's springing like you know, pesticides or

1366
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 1: something round. He's just rounding up all of Jack in

1367
01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:58,960
Speaker 1: the Box. And he's dressed in the exact same clothes,

1368
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 1: but he's wearing that wig that he loves so much

1369
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:03,879
Speaker 1: that he had stashed away. At eleven oh five am,

1370
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:06,240
Speaker 1: when the Brinks truck rolls into the Bank of America

1371
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:09,960
Speaker 1: parking lot, Anthony drops the sprayer. He grabs the can

1372
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:12,320
Speaker 1: of mace that he's stashed nearby, and makes a b

1373
01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:14,479
Speaker 1: line for the Brinks guards who are on their way

1374
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:17,320
Speaker 1: into the bank carrying a bag of cash that has

1375
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:22,080
Speaker 1: four hundred thousand dollars inside. And that's around six hundred

1376
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:25,200
Speaker 1: today's money. And that's the actual this is the spot,

1377
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:28,000
Speaker 1: this is the real crime scene right here. Okay, so,

1378
01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:32,759
Speaker 1: according to reports, Anthony sprays the guards with enough mace

1379
01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:35,960
Speaker 1: to quote, stun one thousand pound grizzly bear.

1380
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:40,599
Speaker 2: What are they even making an hour them like that?

1381
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:44,640
Speaker 1: Okay it feels so high risk, Yeah, but you know

1382
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:47,479
Speaker 1: hopefully they make they make more than twenty eight to

1383
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:49,559
Speaker 1: fifty an hour or whatever the other thing was, So

1384
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 1: of course the guards scream and pain they drop the bag.

1385
01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:56,880
Speaker 1: Anthony grabs it and he runs across the busy intersection

1386
01:13:57,360 --> 01:14:01,439
Speaker 1: and down into the creek. Even though he's wearing a

1387
01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:04,240
Speaker 1: wig and a face mask. Many people watch him flee

1388
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:07,000
Speaker 1: in the direction of the creek, and he's also almost

1389
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:07,920
Speaker 1: hit by a truck.

1390
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:10,280
Speaker 2: Yeah okay, yeah.

1391
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:14,920
Speaker 1: Authorities are called and when the two Monroe City detectives,

1392
01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:22,000
Speaker 1: Detective Barry Hatch and Detective Tim Buzz Buzzell sure Buzz's

1393
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:25,839
Speaker 1: family is here tonight. When they arrive on the scene,

1394
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:30,920
Speaker 1: it's filled with fifteen confused day workers standing around wondering

1395
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:34,040
Speaker 1: what the hell is going on, all dressed exactly like

1396
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:35,559
Speaker 1: the description of the noise.

1397
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:38,639
Speaker 3: It's so smart, it's so smart.

1398
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:41,480
Speaker 1: Uh Do I get my thirty.

1399
01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:41,920
Speaker 3: Bucks or what?

1400
01:14:42,280 --> 01:14:43,559
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1401
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:47,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah do to do?

1402
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:48,200
Speaker 5: So?

1403
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:52,639
Speaker 1: Before long, the detectives have collective witness statements describing their

1404
01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:55,639
Speaker 1: purp as tall, thin and running with the Brinks bag

1405
01:14:55,720 --> 01:15:00,600
Speaker 1: under his arm quote like a football, sure, like a

1406
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:05,599
Speaker 1: golden boy would. When they inspect Wood Creek, they find

1407
01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:08,080
Speaker 1: the abandoned black and yellow inner tube with a picture

1408
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:11,240
Speaker 1: of a b on it, about two hundred yards down

1409
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:14,560
Speaker 1: the creek, along with a pair of discarded safety glasses,

1410
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:17,760
Speaker 1: a wig, and a face mask. The face mask has

1411
01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:21,400
Speaker 1: saliva on it. They process the mask as DNA evidence,

1412
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:28,320
Speaker 1: but there are no matches in the system. I can't

1413
01:15:28,360 --> 01:15:33,360
Speaker 1: believe you're on Anthony's side, guys, Emily's here tonight. Ladies

1414
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:38,240
Speaker 1: and gentlemen, be fucking badass. No matches in the system

1415
01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:42,400
Speaker 1: because Anthony does not have a record. So this is

1416
01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:46,160
Speaker 1: when detectives Buzz and Hatch learn that they should meet

1417
01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:52,080
Speaker 1: Pearl McNutt. They learned that three weeks earlier, a tipster

1418
01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:56,240
Speaker 1: had reported what we're referred to as robbery type items

1419
01:15:56,360 --> 01:15:58,839
Speaker 1: under a dumpster near the bank, along with the license

1420
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:01,439
Speaker 1: plate number of the person who put those items there.

1421
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:01,880
Speaker 3: Man.

1422
01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:05,360
Speaker 1: And when the detectives run that license plate number, they

1423
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:07,320
Speaker 1: trace the car to the Cursio family.

1424
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:10,200
Speaker 3: It's so so quick, yeah, you know, and give him

1425
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:12,000
Speaker 3: a day with that money, you know.

1426
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:16,080
Speaker 1: Well he gets he gets a couple of days, okay,

1427
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:18,479
Speaker 1: because before they go talk to the family, they want

1428
01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:21,400
Speaker 1: to confirm the tipster story, and it takes a little

1429
01:16:21,439 --> 01:16:27,360
Speaker 1: time tracking down Alan, and they basically ask around town.

1430
01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:30,760
Speaker 1: You know, it's word of mouth, you know whose sky

1431
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:34,880
Speaker 1: is whatever, And they finally find him, and when they

1432
01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:38,400
Speaker 1: first walk up to him, he yells, it's it's about

1433
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:44,080
Speaker 1: time you got here. And then he said, I'm on

1434
01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:47,320
Speaker 1: to you, but real quiet, real scary because he is

1435
01:16:47,439 --> 01:16:51,120
Speaker 1: because he is. Fully, he actually had read all about

1436
01:16:51,160 --> 01:16:53,680
Speaker 1: the robbery in the newspaper and he was like, I'm

1437
01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:55,519
Speaker 1: waiting for you to fucking come and talk to me.

1438
01:16:56,320 --> 01:17:01,080
Speaker 1: I know exactly what happened in this robbery. Fools. Okay. Meanwhile,

1439
01:17:01,120 --> 01:17:04,840
Speaker 1: across town, Anthony cannot believe he has pulled off this

1440
01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:08,080
Speaker 1: big heist. What he actually did was he ran back

1441
01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:11,320
Speaker 1: up out of the creek and he walked through an

1442
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:14,599
Speaker 1: apartment complex. He stole a shirt, like a white polo

1443
01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:16,800
Speaker 1: shirt that was kind of too small for him, and

1444
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:20,960
Speaker 1: then he walked into a real estate office, and because

1445
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:23,080
Speaker 1: he does house flipping, they kind of knew who he was.

1446
01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:26,200
Speaker 1: And of course, the Cursio family is very known in Monroe,

1447
01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:28,200
Speaker 1: and so he was like, hey, can I use your phone?

1448
01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:30,400
Speaker 1: My phone died. He calls his friend to come pick

1449
01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:33,800
Speaker 1: it pick him up, and that's his getaway car. But

1450
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:37,760
Speaker 1: nobody really knows that that's what's happening, except for if

1451
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:39,759
Speaker 1: they look down, they would have seen that his shoes

1452
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:40,200
Speaker 1: were wet.

1453
01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:45,920
Speaker 3: Okay, not the weirdest thing. Where's the money. I'm really

1454
01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:48,720
Speaker 3: worried about this money. Where's the big bag of money.

1455
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:50,759
Speaker 1: He stashed it? He loves to stash things.

1456
01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:51,680
Speaker 2: Oh, I would never do that.

1457
01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:55,519
Speaker 1: No, I actually don't know if that's true. What if

1458
01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:57,719
Speaker 1: he was just kind of very casually holding it behind

1459
01:17:57,760 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 1: his back, But then that means he had to hold

1460
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:02,759
Speaker 1: a phone like this and then dial with this hand.

1461
01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:09,519
Speaker 1: We could work out every scenario. Uh, okay, So Anthony

1462
01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:13,120
Speaker 1: can't believe it. He takes the money, He pays off

1463
01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:16,599
Speaker 1: his biggest bills, he buys his wife a beautiful tennis bracelet,

1464
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:20,360
Speaker 1: and he invests in some bonds. No, that's not what happened.

1465
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:25,320
Speaker 1: I read that wrong. Anthony rushes off to Las Vegas

1466
01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:29,480
Speaker 1: with his friends, and thirty thousand dollars is stolen cash.

1467
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:30,639
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

1468
01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:33,920
Speaker 1: There he gambles away the money. He or a bunch

1469
01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:36,240
Speaker 1: of money. He hires a guide to get him and

1470
01:18:36,280 --> 01:18:38,920
Speaker 1: his friends into all the big clubs. I didn't know

1471
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:41,639
Speaker 1: you could do that. He parties with women who are

1472
01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:45,839
Speaker 1: not his wife, and among other sinful things. He attends

1473
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:55,360
Speaker 1: an event celebrating the release of Jessica Simpson's latest single men,

1474
01:18:56,720 --> 01:19:02,559
Speaker 1: Oh you Men, but he has he is not enjoying himself,

1475
01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:05,360
Speaker 1: because this is actually the irony of being on drugs

1476
01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:08,439
Speaker 1: and all of this stuff is you basically surround yourself

1477
01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:10,040
Speaker 1: and all the things you think are going to make

1478
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:12,680
Speaker 1: you happy, and then you're miserable and then you're very

1479
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:16,240
Speaker 1: fucking confused. At one point, he's super drunk. He's in

1480
01:19:16,439 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 1: like the you know the place they stay in the hangover,

1481
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:23,439
Speaker 1: that crazy huge like penthouse. Sweet. Yeah, they're in like

1482
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:26,600
Speaker 1: one of those. He's like crying in the shower and

1483
01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:30,200
Speaker 1: fucking this step where you're like, uh oh, someone better

1484
01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:34,479
Speaker 1: go talk to her. And then he like comes out

1485
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:36,200
Speaker 1: and he tries to recover, and then he does a

1486
01:19:36,240 --> 01:19:38,200
Speaker 1: thing where he tells his friends, I can jump over

1487
01:19:38,240 --> 01:19:40,599
Speaker 1: this glass coffee table and they're like, don't do it,

1488
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:42,679
Speaker 1: and he does it and he breaks his bucking elbow.

1489
01:19:43,240 --> 01:19:45,639
Speaker 2: Wait, seriously, yes, I was just from the hangover.

1490
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, no, no, this is real? No?

1491
01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:49,720
Speaker 3: What yeah?

1492
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:52,799
Speaker 2: Okay, yes, wow, okay.

1493
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:59,280
Speaker 1: So he basically goes back home and he tells, of course,

1494
01:19:59,320 --> 01:20:02,120
Speaker 1: he walks in with this fucking like his arm in

1495
01:20:02,120 --> 01:20:07,479
Speaker 1: a sling. Emily's pissed. She's like, where have you been? He?

1496
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:10,320
Speaker 1: Basically she suspects he's using drugs again. She has been

1497
01:20:10,479 --> 01:20:12,519
Speaker 1: his girlfriend since they were in high school. She knows

1498
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:15,559
Speaker 1: this man, and she knows what he's doing. But he

1499
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:17,800
Speaker 1: tells her he's coming to some money after pulling off

1500
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:21,040
Speaker 1: a really lucrative real estate deal, and that it's fine

1501
01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:23,679
Speaker 1: now and everything's going to be okay, So she knows

1502
01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:26,160
Speaker 1: it's not, but she she's just like, at least he's

1503
01:20:26,200 --> 01:20:28,519
Speaker 1: back and he's alive, and you know, we'll go from here.

1504
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:31,320
Speaker 1: But she has no idea that the Brinks thief who's

1505
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:34,839
Speaker 1: going viral on the internet at this point is her husband.

1506
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:38,640
Speaker 1: And when someone calls into a local radio show and

1507
01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:41,680
Speaker 1: refers to him as d b tuber, the nickname is

1508
01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:44,360
Speaker 1: set oh tuber.

1509
01:20:43,800 --> 01:20:44,760
Speaker 2: Because at the end.

1510
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:52,080
Speaker 3: I thought I was like two the second dB tuber.

1511
01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:54,920
Speaker 1: dB tuber came back with that.

1512
01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:57,240
Speaker 3: Right, that's brilliant.

1513
01:20:57,400 --> 01:21:05,640
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, do you want to go on the

1514
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:12,559
Speaker 1: rest of this tour with us? This is what we need? Okay,

1515
01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:17,479
Speaker 1: I'm almost there, got it? What Anthony doesn't know. Is

1516
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:20,960
Speaker 1: that now not only our detectives Buzz and Hatch buzz

1517
01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:24,880
Speaker 1: Bus new Hat tailing him, but the FBI is too,

1518
01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:27,920
Speaker 1: because of course, robbing a Brinks truck is a federal crime.

1519
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:33,160
Speaker 1: So one afternoon they're both I guess, surveilling Anthony's movements

1520
01:21:33,240 --> 01:21:35,719
Speaker 1: and they watch as he tosses a gatorade bottle into

1521
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:39,000
Speaker 1: a public trash can they go grab it, hoping it

1522
01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:41,800
Speaker 1: contains DNA that'll match that saliva that was found on

1523
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:45,559
Speaker 1: the discarded face mask in the creek. When it's proven

1524
01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:49,280
Speaker 1: to be a match, Buzz and Hatch prepare for an arrest.

1525
01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:52,000
Speaker 1: So on November three, two thousand and eight, about a

1526
01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:55,280
Speaker 1: month after the Brinx truck robbery, Anthony Cursio is taken

1527
01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:59,200
Speaker 1: into custody in a target parking lot. This is the

1528
01:21:59,240 --> 01:22:01,439
Speaker 1: part where I was having a great time for the

1529
01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:03,800
Speaker 1: rest of this, for the beginning of the story, and

1530
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:07,320
Speaker 1: then it changes for me. He reportedly told the arresting officers,

1531
01:22:07,479 --> 01:22:10,200
Speaker 1: this is slander. Do you know who my father is?

1532
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:15,120
Speaker 3: Oh? Man, see, you gotta shut your fucking mouth.

1533
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:19,439
Speaker 1: Okay, that's his mugshot, that's Anthony. Do you know who

1534
01:22:19,439 --> 01:22:23,400
Speaker 1: my father is? And It's like the question Anthony is

1535
01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:27,920
Speaker 1: do you know who you are? Right in his face?

1536
01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:32,559
Speaker 1: Quick update. As of last month, the Target boycott over

1537
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:35,839
Speaker 1: their DEI rollback has cost the company over twelve billion

1538
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:38,759
Speaker 1: dollars in market value.

1539
01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:43,360
Speaker 3: Twelve billion dollars hia sick.

1540
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:49,520
Speaker 4: Collective action works a vote with your motherfucking wallet. Yeah,

1541
01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:54,280
Speaker 4: stop letting these people ruin everything.

1542
01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:03,720
Speaker 1: Target was our third space. Target. When I went home

1543
01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:06,360
Speaker 1: to Pedaloma for the holidays, me and my sister would

1544
01:23:06,360 --> 01:23:09,120
Speaker 1: just go hang out in Target and we would see

1545
01:23:09,160 --> 01:23:12,160
Speaker 1: everyone we knew. It was like reunions in the makeup

1546
01:23:12,240 --> 01:23:15,280
Speaker 1: violin shit, and it's fucking ruined. What's nice, though, is

1547
01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:18,000
Speaker 1: no one's in the Target in Peduluma anymore. They just

1548
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:22,920
Speaker 1: don't go. No one goes. It's great, it's great. You're

1549
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:27,160
Speaker 1: not allowed to pretend that you're super DEI until that

1550
01:23:27,200 --> 01:23:30,240
Speaker 1: motherfucker gets into office and suddenly you're like, oh no, no, no,

1551
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:31,000
Speaker 1: we don't do that.

1552
01:23:31,160 --> 01:23:32,200
Speaker 2: We don't have to do that anymore.

1553
01:23:32,280 --> 01:23:42,280
Speaker 4: Great shit, Okay, sorry.

1554
01:23:39,320 --> 01:23:43,360
Speaker 1: Can we please focus on true crime. It is a

1555
01:23:43,400 --> 01:23:48,240
Speaker 1: true crime though. That's the craziest part. When Anthony's arrested,

1556
01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:51,719
Speaker 1: he has seventeen thousand dollars in cash on his person.

1557
01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:57,000
Speaker 1: It takes eight members of the Monroe Police Force nearly

1558
01:23:57,120 --> 01:24:00,000
Speaker 1: four hours to hand count all of that cash.

1559
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:02,040
Speaker 2: Oh, this keeps starting over.

1560
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:06,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't come in here and tell us the

1561
01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:08,880
Speaker 1: score to the game, trying to fucking count.

1562
01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:12,519
Speaker 2: I thought money was so dirty.

1563
01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:14,960
Speaker 1: I bet well, you know it's funny when he went

1564
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:17,559
Speaker 1: home out of the crik when his friend dropped him off,

1565
01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:20,840
Speaker 1: he went in and he dried a lot of the

1566
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:23,840
Speaker 1: money from the crik in his own dryer because it

1567
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:25,519
Speaker 1: was soaking wet from being down there.

1568
01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:30,760
Speaker 3: Okay, this isn't breaking bad, this is crazy.

1569
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:33,439
Speaker 1: So Anthony pleads guilty. He winds up going to prison

1570
01:24:33,479 --> 01:24:37,120
Speaker 1: for six years. He's released in twenty thirteen, having also

1571
01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:40,840
Speaker 1: completed a drug treatment program. He and Emily eventually reconcile,

1572
01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:44,160
Speaker 1: and once he gets his family back, he hits the

1573
01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:47,799
Speaker 1: public speaking circuit to warn kids about drugs and crime

1574
01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:53,680
Speaker 1: and tearing your acl I bet that slipped in there too.

1575
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:54,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1576
01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:58,679
Speaker 1: Alan Dean winds up getting the reward money for his tip.

1577
01:25:01,760 --> 01:25:06,639
Speaker 1: Yes we don't know how much that was, but it's

1578
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:10,280
Speaker 1: enough to buy a car, and according to writer David

1579
01:25:10,360 --> 01:25:13,960
Speaker 1: Kushner for GQ, Alan plans on finally hitting the road

1580
01:25:14,360 --> 01:25:17,160
Speaker 1: to get back to his family. It goes without saying

1581
01:25:17,240 --> 01:25:21,000
Speaker 1: that addiction is brutal, and while it doesn't excuse Anthony's actions,

1582
01:25:21,080 --> 01:25:24,799
Speaker 1: it puts those choices into perspective a little bit. Dredging

1583
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:28,160
Speaker 1: the creek is beyond the kale. I don't care how

1584
01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:30,200
Speaker 1: many lines of Koch you've done.

1585
01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:34,519
Speaker 3: I mean, that's some like gummy salad confession, you know

1586
01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:36,280
Speaker 3: what I mean. I just watched the most fucked up

1587
01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:39,680
Speaker 3: gummy salad confession. Like things I did on drugs like

1588
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:40,720
Speaker 3: that would be on that list.

1589
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:44,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. Sure, I dredge the local creek and ruined. Yeah,

1590
01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:48,080
Speaker 1: I ruined the entire ecosystem of our local creek, and

1591
01:25:48,120 --> 01:25:51,160
Speaker 1: I brought nerds, gummy clusters.

1592
01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:53,839
Speaker 3: Salad salad.

1593
01:25:55,439 --> 01:25:58,160
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. Anthony has always been very candid

1594
01:25:58,720 --> 01:26:01,880
Speaker 1: about everything that he he's done. He actually was quoted

1595
01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:05,360
Speaker 1: as saying, I had justified that I was doing this

1596
01:26:05,400 --> 01:26:08,599
Speaker 1: for my family. But you know what, someone that is

1597
01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:11,920
Speaker 1: doing this for their family wouldn't have gambled with them.

1598
01:26:12,200 --> 01:26:14,839
Speaker 1: You should never gamble with something you are not willing

1599
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:16,840
Speaker 1: to lose. And that's the story of one of the

1600
01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:20,559
Speaker 1: most audacious heights in the Seattle metro history. The dB

1601
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:24,280
Speaker 1: tuber brings swabbery there he is.

1602
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:27,560
Speaker 3: Wow.

1603
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:30,200
Speaker 1: Now he's saying, do you know who my father has been?

1604
01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:31,360
Speaker 1: In a really nice voice.

1605
01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:34,799
Speaker 2: Wow, that's incredible.

1606
01:26:34,800 --> 01:26:37,760
Speaker 3: I've never heard that, right me either, dB tuber is

1607
01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:39,760
Speaker 3: the funniest thing I've ever heard.

1608
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:40,519
Speaker 1: dB tuber.

1609
01:26:40,680 --> 01:26:41,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's you.

1610
01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:44,839
Speaker 1: We can't let go of Colin Radio. We must protect

1611
01:26:44,920 --> 01:26:47,720
Speaker 1: Colin Radio. All right, should we get home?

1612
01:26:49,240 --> 01:26:56,920
Speaker 3: You fancy? It's me from before?

1613
01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:02,080
Speaker 1: Oh I forgot to read that email. Oh were you

1614
01:27:02,080 --> 01:27:03,360
Speaker 1: guys talking about Jack in the Box?

1615
01:27:03,680 --> 01:27:04,160
Speaker 3: Little bit?

1616
01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:07,799
Speaker 5: It's appropriate that place killed four children in nineteen eighty.

1617
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:10,600
Speaker 3: Thirty, says this. Whenever Jack in the Box, I was

1618
01:27:10,640 --> 01:27:13,160
Speaker 3: just saying, but Dix Drivan never killed no kids.

1619
01:27:15,080 --> 01:27:15,760
Speaker 1: I got them math.

1620
01:27:18,040 --> 01:27:18,760
Speaker 5: I'm gonna be over.

1621
01:27:18,920 --> 01:27:19,599
Speaker 3: That exit sign.

1622
01:27:19,680 --> 01:27:21,200
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you baby.

1623
01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:24,160
Speaker 3: Every single time Jack in the Box comes up, it's

1624
01:27:24,200 --> 01:27:25,720
Speaker 3: brought up. That's so gen x.

1625
01:27:26,479 --> 01:27:29,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a very disturbing time. But does he

1626
01:27:29,200 --> 01:27:31,679
Speaker 1: not like it? Is that his argument against? No?

1627
01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:33,840
Speaker 2: I think you just will think about it all the time.

1628
01:27:34,040 --> 01:27:36,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like when if people talk about if people

1629
01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:38,719
Speaker 1: talk about Taco Bell, then I have to talk about

1630
01:27:38,760 --> 01:27:41,080
Speaker 1: how they they tested the meat and they found that

1631
01:27:41,160 --> 01:27:46,040
Speaker 1: it was majority sawdust. And I didn't even pause. I

1632
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:48,439
Speaker 1: think I went there two days later. It was just like,

1633
01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:51,400
Speaker 1: that sounds great. I must love sawdust and I must

1634
01:27:51,400 --> 01:27:55,400
Speaker 1: be a little fucking hamster because give me that sawdust.

1635
01:27:56,880 --> 01:27:58,519
Speaker 3: There was definitely a rumor when I was in high

1636
01:27:58,520 --> 01:28:01,400
Speaker 3: school on Veganism was like super popular, and I said

1637
01:28:01,439 --> 01:28:03,479
Speaker 3: that the jack in the box tacos there was no

1638
01:28:03,640 --> 01:28:06,280
Speaker 3: actual meat in them. It was like and so everyone

1639
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:08,880
Speaker 3: was like great, and uh, I bet a lot of.

1640
01:28:08,840 --> 01:28:12,839
Speaker 2: Those got real sick after that. I think that's true.

1641
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:14,200
Speaker 3: And what do anyway?

1642
01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:16,519
Speaker 1: Here we are, here, we are. It's time for you

1643
01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:19,000
Speaker 1: guys to tell us a hometown will very quickly tell

1644
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:21,280
Speaker 1: you how to do it, even though we know you

1645
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:26,439
Speaker 1: know no, you have to listen to it. Uh, you

1646
01:28:26,520 --> 01:28:28,599
Speaker 1: can't be so drunk you can't tell your own story.

1647
01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:30,920
Speaker 1: Please let it have a beginning, of middle and an end.

1648
01:28:31,040 --> 01:28:31,400
Speaker 3: Please.

1649
01:28:31,439 --> 01:28:36,559
Speaker 1: The ending is probably the most important. Uh, don't use notes,

1650
01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:40,760
Speaker 1: you don't have to, you always know it. And finally, local, Oh,

1651
01:28:40,840 --> 01:28:43,519
Speaker 1: please make it local. The rest of you hate it

1652
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:45,160
Speaker 1: so much when it's not local.

1653
01:28:45,320 --> 01:28:48,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, so do you actually want to I'm going to

1654
01:28:48,760 --> 01:28:50,200
Speaker 3: turn away and you can actually chose.

1655
01:28:50,240 --> 01:28:52,800
Speaker 1: I'm going to turn away, and you guys turn away too,

1656
01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:54,320
Speaker 1: Try to turn away, see if you can.

1657
01:28:55,120 --> 01:28:57,559
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you want to pick No, you do it.

1658
01:28:57,800 --> 01:28:59,880
Speaker 1: You got it. Last night was amazing and you did it.

1659
01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:04,760
Speaker 1: Follow I hate this look person here?

1660
01:29:05,000 --> 01:29:10,040
Speaker 3: Yeah okay, yeah yeah yah yeah yeah yeah perfect. Sorry,

1661
01:29:10,160 --> 01:29:12,120
Speaker 3: everyone else is.

1662
01:29:12,080 --> 01:29:15,360
Speaker 1: The worst young person gets to come up, and that

1663
01:29:15,479 --> 01:29:18,880
Speaker 1: means everybody else hates our guts and we don't care.

1664
01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:24,240
Speaker 1: I care, Oh I care too. I just keep saying

1665
01:29:24,280 --> 01:29:24,880
Speaker 1: I don't care.

1666
01:29:26,320 --> 01:29:27,200
Speaker 2: Guys, be quiet.

1667
01:29:28,280 --> 01:29:29,040
Speaker 1: She comes.

1668
01:29:29,080 --> 01:29:39,040
Speaker 3: Nice Corey, Corey. It's Corey. Everyone, It's Corey.

1669
01:29:39,400 --> 01:29:43,160
Speaker 1: Nice to meet you. Are you ready to do this?

1670
01:29:43,280 --> 01:29:43,639
Speaker 3: Sonna?

1671
01:29:44,479 --> 01:29:47,280
Speaker 1: It's so great to have you here. Corey.

1672
01:29:47,479 --> 01:29:47,839
Speaker 3: Corey.

1673
01:29:47,920 --> 01:29:51,760
Speaker 1: You bought a shirt and you put it on tonight's

1674
01:29:52,600 --> 01:29:53,120
Speaker 1: that's bad.

1675
01:29:53,400 --> 01:29:57,160
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, thank you. Where are you from Seattle?

1676
01:29:57,320 --> 01:29:59,200
Speaker 3: Great? Nice?

1677
01:30:01,160 --> 01:30:04,000
Speaker 2: Okay great, okay, yeah, go for it.

1678
01:30:04,640 --> 01:30:07,960
Speaker 5: When my daughter was in sixth grade, tried out for

1679
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:10,840
Speaker 5: the school play, which was awesome. It's only play she

1680
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:12,559
Speaker 5: ever and I was a theater kid, so I was

1681
01:30:13,240 --> 01:30:20,120
Speaker 5: very happy. Yeah yeah, So she got the part of

1682
01:30:21,160 --> 01:30:22,120
Speaker 5: Stone number three.

1683
01:30:23,280 --> 01:30:26,559
Speaker 1: Well, which play was it? Would I be familiar? With

1684
01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:30,640
Speaker 1: this play. No, okay, small Christian school. Oh well, I

1685
01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:37,479
Speaker 1: really love Christian plays, so I don't remember. Okay, fine, fine, Yeah.

1686
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:41,400
Speaker 5: But there were only four speaking roles and they were

1687
01:30:41,439 --> 01:30:44,919
Speaker 5: for the coveted you know, eight eighth graders.

1688
01:30:45,200 --> 01:30:46,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1689
01:30:46,920 --> 01:30:52,559
Speaker 5: And the eighth graders that had the roles were awesome one,

1690
01:30:52,720 --> 01:30:57,439
Speaker 5: especially a girl named Natalie. She did an excellent job.

1691
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:03,439
Speaker 5: She was captivating. She also was an excellent singer in

1692
01:31:03,479 --> 01:31:07,280
Speaker 5: the choir at the school. She was a super smart kid.

1693
01:31:07,360 --> 01:31:11,160
Speaker 5: In fact, she was so smart that she was two

1694
01:31:11,200 --> 01:31:16,719
Speaker 5: grades ahead, so she was you know, my daughter's age.

1695
01:31:16,760 --> 01:31:21,280
Speaker 5: Probably fast forward a couple of years. She was in

1696
01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:23,680
Speaker 5: high school. She had a little brother that was two

1697
01:31:23,720 --> 01:31:26,519
Speaker 5: years behind her. Her parents were going through a very

1698
01:31:26,800 --> 01:31:35,400
Speaker 5: ugly divorce. I think they shared custody, but when she

1699
01:31:35,520 --> 01:31:41,440
Speaker 5: was fourteen, things went sideways and her mom lost custody.

1700
01:31:42,400 --> 01:31:47,440
Speaker 5: Dad had them full time. Mom had only supervised visitation.

1701
01:31:50,400 --> 01:31:51,360
Speaker 2: So it had been.

1702
01:31:51,479 --> 01:31:55,800
Speaker 5: About nine months since their mom had been in the

1703
01:31:55,840 --> 01:32:01,240
Speaker 5: home that they shared with their father, and they had

1704
01:32:01,240 --> 01:32:05,040
Speaker 5: a set of rules in place. But it was December

1705
01:32:05,840 --> 01:32:08,559
Speaker 5: and mom had reached out to the little brother and said,

1706
01:32:08,840 --> 01:32:11,400
Speaker 5: it's the holidays. I have a gift for you. I

1707
01:32:11,439 --> 01:32:14,320
Speaker 5: have it wrapped. I want to deliver it to you.

1708
01:32:15,439 --> 01:32:21,240
Speaker 5: And she manipulated him and he succumbed, and so when

1709
01:32:22,280 --> 01:32:25,880
Speaker 5: Natalie and her dad were out, the brother was home

1710
01:32:26,920 --> 01:32:30,880
Speaker 5: allowed Mom to deliver the gift at some point. It

1711
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:34,200
Speaker 5: was discovered later that the gift was really a ruse.

1712
01:32:34,520 --> 01:32:37,560
Speaker 5: It was old clothing that she had that he had outgrown.

1713
01:32:39,920 --> 01:32:45,479
Speaker 5: Her real intention was to arrive, zip tie the boy,

1714
01:32:47,479 --> 01:32:53,080
Speaker 5: stuff his mouth with socks, and hide him in wait

1715
01:32:54,800 --> 01:33:01,719
Speaker 5: it's it's yeah. So Dad and Natalie get home.

1716
01:33:02,200 --> 01:33:03,400
Speaker 3: Of course they're shocked.

1717
01:33:04,840 --> 01:33:08,400
Speaker 5: She says to Dad, I'm here to ruin your life

1718
01:33:08,439 --> 01:33:16,920
Speaker 5: because you've ruined mine. She holds him at gunpoint as

1719
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:24,639
Speaker 5: he has to zip tie himself, and Natalie is able

1720
01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:27,720
Speaker 5: to rush up to a room. She calls nine one one.

1721
01:33:28,160 --> 01:33:34,360
Speaker 5: She's able to share what's happening and the contact information

1722
01:33:34,479 --> 01:33:36,920
Speaker 5: and all of that, and at some point she can

1723
01:33:36,960 --> 01:33:40,240
Speaker 5: hear her mom coming and she tucks the phone in

1724
01:33:40,320 --> 01:33:44,920
Speaker 5: her pocket and the rest is recorded by the operator,

1725
01:33:46,439 --> 01:33:51,280
Speaker 5: and that is when the operator heard her mom say,

1726
01:33:53,200 --> 01:33:56,120
Speaker 5: you did what you called fucking nine to one one.

1727
01:33:56,479 --> 01:33:59,479
Speaker 5: If they come here, I'm going to put a hole

1728
01:33:59,520 --> 01:34:06,800
Speaker 5: in your head. And then there's the sound of wrestling,

1729
01:34:07,160 --> 01:34:10,200
Speaker 5: there's a sound of a zip tie, there's a sound

1730
01:34:10,240 --> 01:34:19,799
Speaker 5: of a gunshot. Before the police arrive, Dad is able

1731
01:34:19,880 --> 01:34:23,840
Speaker 5: to use his body to slam Mom against the wall

1732
01:34:24,600 --> 01:34:33,280
Speaker 5: and tell the brother to run outside and wait for police.

1733
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:39,280
Speaker 5: And Natalie did not survive, but she did save her

1734
01:34:39,320 --> 01:34:42,920
Speaker 5: brother's life in her dad's life.

1735
01:34:42,800 --> 01:34:46,040
Speaker 1: Wow.

1736
01:34:50,680 --> 01:34:54,480
Speaker 5: And it took six years for Mom to be sentenced.

1737
01:34:57,560 --> 01:35:04,000
Speaker 5: She spent three of the years trying to claim insanity,

1738
01:35:05,800 --> 01:35:10,639
Speaker 5: but she had the wherewithal to plan to buy a gun,

1739
01:35:11,080 --> 01:35:13,439
Speaker 5: buy zip ties, and come prepared.

1740
01:35:14,240 --> 01:35:14,880
Speaker 3: And.

1741
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Speaker 5: So that didn't work, and COVID was in there. She

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01:35:21,800 --> 01:35:26,080
Speaker 5: fired two attorneys in that time. So finally this year

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01:35:27,960 --> 01:35:36,040
Speaker 5: she took a plea. She's serving thirty two years, which

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Speaker 5: means that she cannot be let out more than ten

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01:35:40,080 --> 01:35:44,439
Speaker 5: percent of her sentence, so she'll be eighty one years

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Speaker 5: for Natalie.

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Speaker 3: Natalie, a beautiful job. Thank you, Thank you, Corey.

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Speaker 1: Everybody that's Cory's hometown, thank you so much, great job,

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01:35:57,920 --> 01:35:59,400
Speaker 1: thank you. Wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Seattle, that's right.

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01:36:03,720 --> 01:36:07,200
Speaker 1: Wow, that's a real that's we ask people to come

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01:36:07,240 --> 01:36:11,240
Speaker 1: up here and tell hometowns because true crime is everywhere.

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01:36:11,400 --> 01:36:15,800
Speaker 1: Everyone is experienced or has some sort of uh, some

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01:36:15,840 --> 01:36:19,519
Speaker 1: sort of degree of connection to trauma and horror and

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01:36:19,640 --> 01:36:24,519
Speaker 1: things people that have been taken away, people that really

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01:36:24,560 --> 01:36:28,639
Speaker 1: matter that get forgotten because whatever the system fails them.

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01:36:29,160 --> 01:36:32,599
Speaker 1: And it really is a nice thing where people hold

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01:36:32,640 --> 01:36:35,800
Speaker 1: that in their hearts. They remember a kid that was

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01:36:35,840 --> 01:36:39,320
Speaker 1: in their you know, their son's play. Like it's such

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01:36:39,360 --> 01:36:41,120
Speaker 1: a lovely thing to be able to say, hey, this

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01:36:41,320 --> 01:36:44,000
Speaker 1: happened to a real person. Then now she's gone, and

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01:36:44,200 --> 01:36:47,519
Speaker 1: people actually really care about that. That's the point of

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01:36:47,560 --> 01:36:50,080
Speaker 1: all of this. Really, it's we care about each other,

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01:36:50,560 --> 01:36:54,080
Speaker 1: and everybody in this room cares about what happens to

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01:36:54,120 --> 01:36:56,840
Speaker 1: their fellow man. And it's a really lovely thing.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, thank you guys so much, Seattle. We

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01:37:01,640 --> 01:37:03,640
Speaker 3: love coming here. You guys have been so supportive of

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01:37:03,720 --> 01:37:06,880
Speaker 3: us from the very beginning, and we love this community

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01:37:07,000 --> 01:37:09,439
Speaker 3: and the community you guys have built, so thank you

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01:37:09,479 --> 01:37:11,040
Speaker 3: for just supporting this.

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01:37:11,200 --> 01:37:13,160
Speaker 1: Yes, we really it's great.

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01:37:12,960 --> 01:37:13,599
Speaker 3: To come up here.

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Speaker 1: We always have the best time. Yeah, both of these shows,

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01:37:19,200 --> 01:37:21,439
Speaker 1: both nights have been incredible. We got to meet some

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01:37:21,520 --> 01:37:24,439
Speaker 1: of you last night. It's so fun and we just

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01:37:24,520 --> 01:37:26,799
Speaker 1: thank you from the bottom of our hearts for giving

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01:37:26,840 --> 01:37:28,320
Speaker 1: us the kind of life where we get to wear

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01:37:28,439 --> 01:37:32,920
Speaker 1: fancy dresses and joke around with each other and hang

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01:37:32,960 --> 01:37:35,599
Speaker 1: out with you guys. It's a joy. We have missed

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01:37:35,640 --> 01:37:39,040
Speaker 1: you these past six years. And stay sexy, and.

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01:37:41,760 --> 01:37:43,840
Speaker 3: Thank you Seadam, thank you.

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01:37:46,680 --> 01:37:47,040
Speaker 2: Elvis.

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01:37:47,040 --> 01:37:55,320
Speaker 3: Do you want a cookie?

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01:37:55,560 --> 01:37:57,200
Speaker 1: This has been an exactly right production.

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01:37:57,400 --> 01:38:00,000
Speaker 3: Our senior producer is Mollie Smith and our associate producer

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01:38:00,200 --> 01:38:00,920
Speaker 3: is Tessa Hughes.

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01:38:01,000 --> 01:38:02,920
Speaker 1: Our editor is Aristotle Lascevedo.

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01:38:03,040 --> 01:38:05,200
Speaker 2: This episode was mixed by Leona Squalacci.

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01:38:05,360 --> 01:38:07,960
Speaker 1: Our researchers are Mary McGlashan and Ali Elkin.

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01:38:08,120 --> 01:38:11,000
Speaker 3: Email your hometowns to My Favorite Murder at gmail dot.

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01:38:10,840 --> 01:38:13,639
Speaker 1: Com and follow the show on Instagram at my Favorite Murder.

1792
01:38:13,680 --> 01:38:16,519
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1793
01:38:16,560 --> 01:38:18,520
Speaker 3: Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

1794
01:38:18,520 --> 01:38:20,920
Speaker 1: And now you can watch My Favorite Murder on Netflix.

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01:38:21,040 --> 01:38:23,120
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01:38:23,160 --> 01:38:25,640
Speaker 3: the remind Me buttons. That's the best way you can

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01:38:25,680 --> 01:38:26,439
Speaker 3: support our show.

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Speaker 1: Goodbye,