1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I hope you're sitting down. 2 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: Here is the question, how does a thirty two year old, 3 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: gorgeous female prison guard digress into a sex relationship with 4 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: a quote depraved double murderer. There's so many layers to that, 5 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: and then I hardly know where to start, So I'll 6 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: just start with a butcher knife like I do in 7 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: the kitchen. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. First of all, 8 00:00:55,640 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: take a listen to Tyler Hunt a crime online. Lauren 9 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: McIntyre is a thirty two year old mother of three, 10 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: two four month old twins and a five year old. 11 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: She's also an avid runner, which helps her stay fit 12 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: for her physically demanding job. She supports her family as 13 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 1: a prison guard at a men's facility that houses around 14 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: a thousand inmates. Records show that ninety eight percent of 15 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 1: prisoners held there are sex offenders. Wow, what a bunch. 16 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: And I thought I had it bad when I go 17 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: into the courthouse full of defendant's waiting for trial. Ninety 18 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: eight percent of the people of the one thousand inmates 19 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: are sex offenders. Again, I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. 20 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: Thanks for being with us. Let me introduce to you 21 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: an all star panel. First of all judge and trial lawyer, 22 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: Court TV anchor Ashley Wilcot at Ashley Wilcot dot com. 23 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: Renowned psychiatrists joining us out of the Atlanta area. Doctor 24 00:01:55,240 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: Angela Arnold at Angela Arnold MD dot com, Former turned 25 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: PI Robert Crispin Crispin's Special Investigations at Crispin's Investigations dot com. 26 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: Special guests joining us today. Percy Pitzer, Federal Awarden, thirty 27 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:16,679 Speaker 1: year career in corrections at CCEF Scholarships dot org. But 28 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:20,799 Speaker 1: first to Rate Caputo joining US Lead news anchor w 29 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 1: DBO Rate. It's really hard for me to take it in, 30 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: especially as I am a mother of twins, and I 31 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: can't think of anything I would willingly do to jeopardize 32 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: my one hundred percent custody of the twins, Because if 33 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: I started an affair that ended my marriage. You know, 34 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: my husband David, he wouldn't be happy with weekend visits 35 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: with John David and Lucy O H E L L 36 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: n oh. He would at least want fifty percent of 37 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 1: the time, and I would at least want fifty percent 38 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: of the time. That be the war between the gods. 39 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: So let's just don't even go there, all right, Why 40 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: would this woman jeopardize alife with her children? I don't 41 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: understand that. Just you know what, Ray started at the beginning, 42 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: what happened or this happened to the Isle of Wight. 43 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: It's to prison, and what happened was there was a 44 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: prison guard named Warden MacIntyre, and at some point she 45 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 1: starts to get a little close after an investigation to 46 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:29,519 Speaker 1: one of the inmates. There a guy named Andrew Roberts. 47 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: How do you quote get a little close to a 48 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: depraved double killer depraved their words, not mine, and quote 49 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: sanction him to beat up her fellow officer while he's 50 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: serving two life prison sentences for strangling his girlfriend and 51 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: her eight month old daughter. I mean, white a minute, 52 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: waite a minute, Ray Kaputo. I thought I needed to 53 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: go to you first to get some more facts. But 54 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: right there, I know it. You know it. Everybody in 55 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: the studio knows it. I need a shrink and pronto, 56 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: Doctor Angela Arnold. Why would you risk fifty percent custody 57 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: of your children to have sex with a depraved killer? 58 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: My god, Nancy, why would you work at a place 59 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,559 Speaker 1: like that? But hey, hey, hey, Hey, wait a minute, 60 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: little lady. I've been in many a jail and worked 61 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: with depraved killers trying to put him in jail my 62 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: whole legal career. Why would you work there? A, it's 63 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:40,919 Speaker 1: a job. B. Maybe you like making sure people stay 64 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 1: in jail. I do. So you know what I'm talking about? 65 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 1: Is I mean you could say that about any lady. Cop. 66 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: You know what that's sextist, doctor Angela Arnold? You know 67 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 1: what meansy. The reason I say that is because, first, 68 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 1: and I'm trying to think about what is behind what 69 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: was this woman thinking before she even are doing any 70 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 1: of this? Okay, and there are there are lots of 71 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: places where you can work, but she especially put herself 72 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: in a place where ninety nine percent of the people 73 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: are sex offenders. Yes, she did. So I'm wondering. I'm 74 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 1: wondering what in the in the very first place, what 75 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: possessed her to go work in a place like that. Now, 76 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: I believe that the reason that she's able to do 77 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:25,840 Speaker 1: something like this and go work in a place like this, 78 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: she she is personality disordered. Okay, Okay, so you're basing 79 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: that on basically nothing. No, No, I'm basing it on 80 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 1: what she did while she was at the facility. Well, 81 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: wait a minute, hold hold on, Ashley Wilcott, judge, trial 82 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:46,919 Speaker 1: lawyer anchor at Court TV. That argument that doctor Angela 83 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: Arnold just made. Now, granted, she's a psychiatrist, we're just 84 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: trial lawyer, she's an m D. We're just JD's right, 85 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: But that argument could be made about anybody that has 86 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: an affair in their marriage, which is at least half 87 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 1: the people in America. Okay, divorces. It doesn't even have 88 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: to be an affair. We've got about a fifty plus 89 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: percent divorce rate, right, So somebody does something in that 90 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:22,720 Speaker 1: relationship that brings on a divorce, regardless of what it is. 91 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:29,479 Speaker 1: So with Angela Arnold's reasoning, everybody that slips up in 92 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: the marriage is mentally unstable. And I don't believe that. 93 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 1: I don't agree with that either, because listen, everybody is 94 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: going to make a mistake, everybody's gonna sin, everybody's gonna 95 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,039 Speaker 1: do something they shouldn't in a marriage. That's gonna happen 96 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: at some point, whether it's you know, my husband screaming 97 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: at me because I may have accidentally liked my keys 98 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 1: in the car, or whether it's something more egregious, like 99 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: an affair, whatever it is. Well, Also though Ashley Ashley 100 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 1: one time locking your keys in your car, or maybe 101 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: all the time, I knew mister glasses glass phone number 102 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: by heart. In law school, I was always carrying so 103 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: many books and so much stuff and my keys at all. 104 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: I did it many times. I knew either number my heart. 105 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: That was before cell phones too. I had to go 106 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: find a phone or whatever phone to call mister Glass 107 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: or doctor Glass or whoever he was so making a mistake. 108 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: It's a lot different than let me just say, my 109 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: first choice of awards is not allowed a sex affair 110 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: with that conveyed and killer and you did it over 111 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: and over and over again. That's not a slip up. 112 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: Huh No, it's very different. But I'm just saying in 113 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: marriages there can always be things that cause problems and 114 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: lead to divorces. This is very different to your points. 115 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: This is very different. But I also have to comment 116 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: on where she works. You know, people have to work 117 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: to pay bill and in some community and Arnold and 118 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: everybody has a nice cushy office with a sofa in it. 119 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: Like you, some of us have to go with the 120 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: courtroom with defendants and argue with them and fight with them. 121 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: Some of us have to go to the jail, and 122 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 1: everybody has a good arnold hand, Nancy, I've been in 123 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: all of those places also, I know, you know, I'm 124 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: sure all of us have. And I just to my 125 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: point though some of these communities, the jail may be 126 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: the only place that offers a job that may be 127 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: enough pay and benefits, but that does not at all 128 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 1: excuse condon or make any sense. That was someone who 129 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 1: chooses to have a sexual relationship with someone convicted of 130 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 1: the crime Time Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are 131 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:04,319 Speaker 1: talking about a stunning turn of events at a high 132 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: security lock up where ninety eight percent of the purpose 133 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: within that facility or registered sex offenders. How does this woman, 134 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: this gorgeous woman, a mom of three, including young twins, 135 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: embark on a sex relationship with a convicted double killer? 136 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 1: You know? Back to you, Leading news anchor W dbo 137 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: Ray Computo joining us. Ray. Sorry, as much as I 138 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: want to hear the facts, I had to hear from 139 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: a shrink because I'm having a hard time figuring out 140 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:38,079 Speaker 1: how you would jeopardize your life with your family to 141 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: have sex with a double killer. But Ray, let's go 142 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 1: back to the actual facts you said. They formed a relationship. Hey, 143 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: before you kick it off, Ray Computo, take a listen 144 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: to Tyler Hunt a crime online. McIntyre formed a relationship 145 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: with Andrew Roberts after she was assigned to be his 146 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: key worker. She claims she started a rapport with the 147 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: convicted murder in a bid to uncover intel on what 148 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:04,679 Speaker 1: was going on inside the prison, but that spiraled out 149 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: of control pretty quickly. First, McIntyre did not reveal to 150 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: her superiors that Roberts had an illegal cell phone. She 151 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: gave him her number and sent him a photo of herself. 152 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: The prison guard claimed it was so she could pass 153 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: a test and show that she could be trusted. Then 154 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: the pair began regularly exchanging text messages. One message read 155 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 1: today was real hot and risky, but I'm so needing 156 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 1: you another message. I still keep remembering the first time 157 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: you kissed me. A physical relationship began soon after. Okay, 158 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: I'm just letting that soak in. I still remember the 159 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 1: first time you kissed me. Okay to Percy pittsor our 160 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: Special Guests joining us. He has a thirty year career 161 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: and the Corrections Facilities business found her Creative Corrections Education Foundation. Percy, 162 00:10:56,000 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: how is it that a this happened? I mean, you know, 163 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: I know even in our little Methodist church, before you 164 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 1: become a Methodist pastor, you have to pass a psychological exam, 165 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: which is why people like Jim Jones mcguianna got kicked 166 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: out couldn't join the Brethren. Uh. My point is, don't 167 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: you have to take an exam with some sort before 168 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: you become a prison warden? And shouldn't somebody have noticed 169 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:33,839 Speaker 1: what was going on? Percy? Well, it happens. This is 170 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 1: all right, all of your information, but it happens. Is um, 171 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,559 Speaker 1: you know, it made bumper stickers. It says that minus 172 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: the sh at the beginning. I didn't really see that 173 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: as an explanation of how it happened. Well, I'm not 174 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: saying that it's an excuse. For example, I was walking 175 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 1: down the quarter one day. I see this female conversion 176 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: with us in me and that's not unusual, but something 177 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: triggered me. So I call that lady into the office 178 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 1: and she confessed to have a relationship with us in me. 179 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:13,319 Speaker 1: And my question to her was why. She said, well, 180 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 1: I want to go home. My husband's mean to me. 181 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: When I come to the prison, all he inmates treat 182 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: me nice. Now is that an excuse? Certainly, not a 183 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: ballid excuse. But this in may target at this woman 184 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: by saying that, you know, I have information, whether it's 185 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 1: maybe on an escape plot or introduction to contraband, but 186 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: you are the only one that I trust. And it 187 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 1: goes on from there. And then when he accomplishes what 188 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 1: he wants to accomplish, then he's so proudly. I mean, 189 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 1: he's got a trophy, so he's got to tell somebody, 190 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: and then that somebody will tell somebody else, who will 191 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: tell somebody else, or someone will report it to the administration. 192 00:12:56,240 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: I mean, this lady is guilty, with no question about it. 193 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 1: But you know, some of these inmates are pretty good 194 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: at manipulation. I mean, that's why they're in prison. I'm 195 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:11,319 Speaker 1: also curious as to how this went on for months 196 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 1: and months and months without anyone detecting At Percy. It 197 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: pitts her with Creative Corrections Education Foundation, thirty years in 198 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 1: the corrections business. How do they pull that off? Well, 199 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: he probably kept it to himself for a while, and 200 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: then it got deeper and deeper, and he was so 201 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: proud of himself that he just kind of put the 202 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: word out to somebody else. And they always get caught, 203 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: whether it's a week, a month, or six months. I mean, 204 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 1: someone eventually tells on them. You know, I really believe 205 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: that she should not be treated any differently than a 206 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: male prison guard who has sex with the female inmates, 207 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: which is a crime. I might add back to you, 208 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: Ray kimpud wdbo. How long did this go on and 209 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 1: how did they manage to pull it off? Went on 210 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: for about four months and and you just heard it there. 211 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 1: I mean you got a cell phone. They're sneaking around. 212 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: They're trying to keep the relationship under wraps. But in 213 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: a jail, in a monitor environment like that, there's only 214 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 1: so long that that can happen. But long story short, 215 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: as they were both you know, creeping around, they were 216 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 1: being secretive about this undercover relationship. I don't get how 217 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: much they can really creep. There are no walls, you 218 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: know on TV where you see those jail bars. That's real. 219 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: I mean you can see into the sale. How in 220 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: the world and they manage to have an elicit sex 221 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: affair and behind bars just bars. I've never been to jail, Nancy, 222 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: and I don't plan on ever going to jail. But 223 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: you know, when you got enough time on your hands, 224 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: people make this happen. I mean, it's difficult that it 225 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: is to do things like this in jail. People still 226 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: manage to do it all around the world. It doesn't 227 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: matter what jail you're in. Guys, we are talking about 228 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: a young woman who is a prison guard who has 229 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: elicits X affair with a double killer. Take a listen 230 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: to our friends at crime online dot com. Andrew Roberts 231 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: is a convicted killer found guilty of the deaths of 232 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: his wife, Louise Lum and eight month old daughter Tea 233 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 1: at their home. Roberts was just twenty two at the 234 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: time he strangled both while high on a cocktail of 235 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: drink and drugs. Roberts sprayed the victim's bodies with perfume 236 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: and aftershave to mask the smell, and then left the 237 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: residence to carry on partying. Authorities captured him five days later. 238 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 1: He was sentenced to two life terms. Robert Crispin, former 239 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: cop turned PI Crispin's Special Investigations. You can find him 240 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: at Crispin's Investigations dot com Robert. Murder is bad enough, 241 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: but of your young wife and the baby girl. Then 242 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: to just add insult to injury, thinking to spray perfume 243 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: aftershave over their bodies so the stitch of their d 244 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: comp wouldn't tip people off a murder had taken place. 245 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: That is depraved. That's just craziness. That's just behavior of 246 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: someone who's not thinking straight, who fills his wife because 247 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: he's high as can be, and at the last minute 248 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: may think, how am I going to conceal this. Oh 249 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: my god, there's going to be an odor. I'm going 250 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: to douse these bodies with some perfume. These people aren't 251 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: thinking straight. These cocktails of drugs put you in a 252 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: completely different hemisphere when it comes to behavior. To be 253 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: able to kill your wife and your daughter is beyond comprehension. 254 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: But that's what these drugs do. Time stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, 255 00:16:56,560 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: this young woman, Lauren McIntyre, just thirty two years old, 256 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: now charged with felonies for a sex relationship with a 257 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: double killer behind bars. You know, doctor Angela Arnold's psychiatrists 258 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 1: joining us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. One thing that 259 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 1: I repeated at the beginning is that she Lauren McIntyre 260 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: is beautiful. Now that you know, Lady Justice is blindfold 261 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 1: for a reason. Yes, doesn't matter what you look like, 262 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 1: where you're from, your ethnicity, your religion, your race, your gender, old, young, 263 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: It does not matter to Lady Justice. But many people 264 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 1: marvel at why a beautiful, physically beautiful, with the stereotypical 265 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:56,719 Speaker 1: ideal of beauty woman would be with a guy serving 266 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:00,040 Speaker 1: two life terms for murdering an infant girl and a 267 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,199 Speaker 1: defenseless woman. I mean why, I mean she could have 268 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: had anybody with her looks. Why him? Well, apparently she 269 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 1: did have somebody because she was married, right, Yeah, so 270 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: she had a husband, she was having children. I am 271 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 1: quite sure she was manipulated by this killer. Oh there's 272 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 1: no doubt about it. Well, who's saying there's no doubt 273 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: about it? Who is that? Percy Fitzer? You know how 274 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 1: I feel about you and all of your experience. But 275 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 1: she's the one with the duty. It's like she's the 276 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 1: adult in the relationship. You could argue sex victims manipulate 277 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,920 Speaker 1: the rapist into attacking them because they wore a short 278 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: skirt or they wore a low cut blouse. She had 279 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: the dub not to do this. There's no excuse for 280 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 1: what she did. But I'm saying that some of these 281 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: inmates are very good at manipulation. I'm sure they all are. 282 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 1: They all are because that's what they're in there for. 283 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 1: You know, Ashley will call you're a judge, trial lawyer, 284 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:13,360 Speaker 1: anchor court TV. Pitzer is right. Defendants can be very manipulative. Now, 285 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: I think I've told you this story before, Ashley, so 286 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 1: I'll try to be brief. I got assigned to a courtroom. 287 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: It was it was the busiest trial court in the courthouse. 288 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 1: They tried more cases per year than any other courtroom 289 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: because of the judge who loved being on trial. So 290 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 1: when you get assigned there, show up in your combat 291 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: gear because you're gonna be on trial every other week. 292 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:45,159 Speaker 1: Bam into story. Well I showed up new in the courtroom, 293 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 1: and the defendants and a plea calendar saw that I 294 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: was wearing a cross. Let's just say you have a 295 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 1: trial calendar on Monday. On Thursday, you have a plea 296 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 1: and arrayment calendar for anybody you're going to plead out 297 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:02,919 Speaker 1: the next week pleading arrayment. I would say seven or 298 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 1: eight inmates showed back up in the courtroom with giant 299 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:14,679 Speaker 1: woven crosses made out of knitting thread, giant like this big, 300 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,679 Speaker 1: and they'd come in at that time. I would have 301 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: the negotiations with my investigator, plus the defendant himself and 302 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 1: his lawyer would sit down, I'd read the file. I'd 303 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:31,199 Speaker 1: give him an offer, take it, leave it, go to trial, 304 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 1: your pick. They all paraded in wearing giant crosses they 305 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: had woven basically overnight out of thread to try to 306 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: get to me and manipulate me. The first one that 307 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: came in, it did get to me a little bit. 308 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: I'm like, well, you know, maybe he's remorseful. The second 309 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:54,679 Speaker 1: one that came in, I knew they had targeted me 310 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: to manipulate me. It didn't take me that long. Ashley, 311 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 1: you deal with convicts all the time, as have I 312 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: weigh in a manipulation. Well, yeah, they can manipulate, absolutely, 313 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: That's how they've gotten to where they are sometimes. But 314 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 1: I have to say this, yeah, he's manipulative. Yes, she 315 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: may have been manipulated, but to the extent that she 316 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: was manipulated is hard for me to fathom. I just 317 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:24,959 Speaker 1: can't understand. Remember, Nancy, this man has been convicted of 318 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: brutal crime. And she is a mother, she's a mother 319 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 1: of children, and yet she ends up having to a 320 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 1: sexual relationship with a man who killed his own child. 321 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: That's past manipulation. That is that is something that even 322 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 1: though you're dealing with somebody who's exceedingly manipulated, is you 323 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:47,160 Speaker 1: should you should know better a notice, stop and not 324 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,919 Speaker 1: do it in the first place. It's beyond my I 325 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: can't fathom it. I just can't. You know. Another issue, 326 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,439 Speaker 1: and I'm not sure exactly what they're talking about, but 327 00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: I think I know according to all the accounts, right Kiputo, 328 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: everything our investigators have learned, she was specifically trained, so 329 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 1: this wouldn't happen right specifically. But also, you know, one 330 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 1: thing I think we're missing here is what was going 331 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 1: on in this woman's wife at the time that this 332 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 1: was happening. Now, why do you care? Do you ask 333 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 1: that when a man raped a woman, jee, I wonder 334 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 1: if he was sad that day? Don't care? Why don't care? 335 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,920 Speaker 1: There's an important fact we haven't mentioned, Okay, don't trust me? 336 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: Something important. There's a reason she was having sex with 337 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: a double killer. Can't wait to hear this go ahead. 338 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: She was having an affair previously with another prison guard, 339 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: and I don't know how that ended, but clearly there 340 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: was some animosity because part of her relationship with this 341 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 1: inmate was was getting him to beat up the the 342 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: ex boyfriend, the ex prison guard boyfriend. So to me, 343 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: there's some animosity at all this and maybe that she 344 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,879 Speaker 1: was she embarked on this affair simply to make this 345 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: other guy jealous. Okay, tell me the whole thing. I 346 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 1: know that she convinced the inmate that she's having sex 347 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 1: with named Andrew Roberts to beat up another prison guard. 348 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 1: Tell me the whole thing with me, Ray kimputer WDBA, 349 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: go ahead. Ray. Well, there was a cell phone that 350 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 1: the inmate had had which was illegal, and McIntire knew 351 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: about it. So as they're exchanging these text messages, she 352 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,199 Speaker 1: learns and I don't know her role as she encouraged this, 353 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: but she learned that the inmate lover was going to 354 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 1: attack the fellow prison guard and she did absolutely nothing 355 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: about it, and sure enough that happened. The prison guard 356 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 1: got injured, suffered a head injury. And you know, obviously 357 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: after the fact, we learned about the plot which was 358 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 1: part of the reason she got in trouble. But yeah, 359 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: she seemed to know about it and had no problem 360 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: with this cold blooded killer attacking a guy that she 361 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: formerly had a relationship with. Guys, take a listen to 362 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: our friends at crime online dot com and tire gave 363 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 1: Roberts the phone number of a fellow prison officer, Samuel Laidler, 364 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 1: whom she had previously been involved with. The pair intended 365 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 1: to set Laidler up as the corrupt officer on the 366 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:13,640 Speaker 1: Wing Report show. McIntyre knew Roberts was planning to physically 367 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 1: assault Laidler, but did not warn her fellow officer of 368 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:20,159 Speaker 1: imminent danger. Laidler was knocked unconscious in the attack and 369 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: suffered severe head injuries. So everything you're saying is absolutely correct. 370 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 1: Not only attacking the other prison guard but setting him 371 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: up as being a bad or dirty prison guard, not 372 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: only attacking him but ruining his reputation and career. Do 373 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: I have that right, Rakiputo? Yeah, you absolutely do it. 374 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: It's pretty diabolical, Nancy. Doesn't matter if you're a prison 375 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,360 Speaker 1: guard or somebody on the outside, getting someone to beat 376 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,160 Speaker 1: up your axes is not a good look. I mean, 377 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: but not only that to doctor Angela Arnold, It's one 378 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 1: thing to take a knock on the head and pass 379 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 1: out with a concussion way up, it said another thing 380 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 1: when you wake up and your career is in shreds 381 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 1: and your reputation has been ruined because you've been set 382 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: up to look like the bad guy, the bad cop, 383 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,679 Speaker 1: the bad prison guard. Did you hear what uh Tyler 384 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: Hunt just said when he was reporting that they intended 385 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:26,879 Speaker 1: to set up Laidler as he corrupt officer on the wing. 386 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: So who's the manipulator? Right? I mean this woman, Nancy. 387 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: That's why I said what I did at the very beginning. 388 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 1: What I am wondering why she chose a place like 389 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 1: this to work. I do believe that there is that 390 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: there is some very deep seated personality disorder that may 391 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: be true, doctor Angela, But having a personality disorder such 392 00:25:53,320 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 1: as I'm narcissistic agoraphobe, that does not rise too insanity. 393 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 1: I mean, as she will cut back me up. In 394 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 1: our jurisprudence, which is common law, which was brought over 395 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: from Great Britain, and we took some of their law 396 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 1: to establish our law, we go by the old McNaughton rule. 397 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: Which is insanity, is whether you know right from wrong 398 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 1: at the time of the incident. The fact that she 399 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 1: was hiding and covering up the sex relationship show she 400 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,919 Speaker 1: knows it was wrong. Oh, I absolutely agree. That is 401 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 1: the definition by law. And again we talked about this 402 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,639 Speaker 1: on another show. It is exactly at the time that 403 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 1: it's occurring. It can be a foot second, just at 404 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 1: that moment, and so I agree with you that's evidence 405 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 1: that she in fact knew exactly what she was doing 406 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: from wrong. I see no evidence in any of the 407 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 1: information that I've read or reviewed or seeing orban told 408 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: that she at all, at any point in time didn't 409 00:26:53,040 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: know right from wrong. Rather, she's made a conscious choice. 410 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Guys a prison officer jailed 411 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,360 Speaker 1: after a fair and affair with a killer who murdered 412 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 1: their partner and baby daughter. But the twist here is 413 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:28,400 Speaker 1: the prison guard official is a woman, a thirty two 414 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: year old beauty with three children and a husband waiting 415 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: for her at home. And it gets worse. She reportedly 416 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 1: tried to get the inmates she was sleeping with to 417 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: help her set up another prison guard to make him 418 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:47,680 Speaker 1: look like the quote corrupt officer on the wing with 419 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 1: me Special guest Percy Pitzer retired federal ward, thirty years 420 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 1: in corrections, founder of Created Corrections Education Foundation. Percy What 421 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 1: does that mean to be? I know what it means 422 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,120 Speaker 1: to be a bad cop. It can mean any number 423 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 1: of things. But what is a corrupt prison guard? But 424 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 1: what's an example a corrupt prison guard? You're not out 425 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 1: on the streets as planning dope or paying off snitches 426 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 1: or what's a corrupt prison guard? Well, again, I mean 427 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 1: it's through manipulation. I had a case one time where 428 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,440 Speaker 1: an innimy come to me and said so and so's 429 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,919 Speaker 1: bringing him comfort bad And I knew so and so, 430 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,680 Speaker 1: and I no way in the world would I think 431 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 1: this person would do that, And so jokingly I told 432 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: the enimate, I said, we'll bring me a big mac 433 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 1: and then order of frize and forgot about it. Two 434 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 1: days later he comes in ladies, a big mac and 435 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 1: the order of prize of my death. So, I mean, 436 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: and I don't agree with the lady that said, what 437 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 1: does that had to do with big corrupt? Where's the 438 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: big macfin into the scenario? Well, because the officer was 439 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 1: in fact an in contraband oh Okay, I see what 440 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 1: you mean. A big Matt got it all right? So 441 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 1: I was thinking of something more nefarious than a big 442 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: mac in order of fries, which is really making me 443 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: hungry right now. Um, A corrupt Crisp guard. Um when 444 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 1: I think of that, Robert Robert Crispin PI, former cop 445 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 1: turned special investigator Crispin H. Percy Pitcher's right. What is 446 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 1: a more concerning or a nefarious example of a corrupt 447 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: prison guard. Someone who's allowing weapons in, someone who allowing 448 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 1: cell phones to get into these people to make contact 449 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:40,719 Speaker 1: to the outside world. Drugs to drugs, contraband, cell phones, bating, 450 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 1: beating the inmates, cat York through jailhouse informants. Yes, and h. 451 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: I was about to say, for sex on inmates, And 452 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: here you have the female prison guard engaging in sex 453 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 1: with an inmate. Well take a list two. Olivia Dyer 454 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 1: in Iana. Stuart Richardson Isle of White Radio News, a 455 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 1: prison officer from Rye who had a sexual relationship with 456 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: a convicted murderer has been jailed. I own a. Stuart 457 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 1: Richardson reports. Mother of three Lauren McIntyre has been sentenced 458 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 1: to three years in prison. She'll serve half behind bars 459 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 1: and half on license. The thirty two year old of 460 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 1: Saint John's Wood Road appeared at the Art of White 461 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: Crown Court today, having previously pleaded guilty to four counts 462 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 1: of misconduct in a public office. She admitted to wilfully 463 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 1: neglecting to perform her duty at hmprl of White between 464 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: November and December in twenty eighteen, Miss McIntyre had a 465 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 1: relationship with Andrew Roberts, who was convicted of murdering his 466 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: baby daughter and wife in two thousand and three. And 467 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 1: of course she's new the first one to be lured 468 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 1: into or initiate a sex relationship with an inmate. Take 469 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: listen to our Friends At ABC twenty twenty, Ricky Matt 470 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 1: the Natural Ladies Man takes his relationship with Joyce Mitchell 471 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: to another level. He gives Joyce some of his paintings, 472 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 1: similar to these celebrity portraits, then he gives her something else. 473 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: What was happening in that Taylor show. There's allegations of 474 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: sexual contact. I can see how a friendship could evolved, 475 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 1: but to go to the extent of having sexual contact 476 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: to me is unimaginable, even more disturbing to visualize than 477 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 1: a lockdown loving with these two, Whiley says Matt talks 478 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: Mitchell into helping out with the budding escape plot. The 479 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: three of them we're gonna run off. She was gonna 480 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: have a life with either Matt or Sweat and leave 481 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 1: her family, leave her husband, leave her son. The deal 482 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 1: was not something for nothing, while he claims, in exchange 483 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 1: for a fun filled future on the run with convicted killers, 484 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: Mitchell had to smuggle in the tools they'd need to escape. Yes, 485 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 1: that's right. I'm sure you've all heard of escape At 486 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 1: Dana Mora, a fifty five year old Taylor Joyce Mitchell 487 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 1: was planning to leave her husband, if not more, and 488 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 1: run off with two inmates that are in high security lockdown, 489 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 1: even helping them escape. Take a listen to Brian Todd. 490 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 1: Inmate Eric Jensen worked at the Clinton Taylor shop with 491 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 1: Joyce Mitchell and David Sweat, and tonight he drops a bombshell. 492 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 1: Jensen says, about four times a week, Mitchell and Sweat 493 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 1: would disappear into a closet at the tailor's shop, sometimes 494 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 1: for a half hour or forty five minutes. I believe 495 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 1: they were getting it on. I believe they were getting 496 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 1: it on in that back room. Mitchell's husband, Lyle, says 497 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: she swore to him she never had sex with either inmate, 498 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 1: but Jensen says Mitchell's interactions with Sweat suggested otherwise giggling 499 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 1: like a schoolgirl. And not only that, it's actually like 500 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 1: when like you know, the super our football player he 501 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 1: asked a girl out on a date or for the 502 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 1: prim or something like that superstar football player asked somebody 503 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 1: out to the prom. We're talking about convicted killers and 504 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 1: female prison guards who engage in sex relationships with them. 505 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 1: Not only that, back to you, Ray Kiputo, Joyce Mitchell 506 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 1: actually arranged having escape tools brought into the inmates and 507 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 1: frozen hamburger mete remember that. Yeah, I mean it's absolutely 508 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 1: crazy because this is a woman who technically is in 509 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 1: a position of power over these two guys, but that 510 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 1: role is reversed that Richard matt clearly had this sway 511 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 1: over Joyce Mitchell because all the things when you look 512 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 1: at hindsight, what that woman was accused them. No, Ray Kaputo, Ray, 513 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 1: would you say that if it were a male prison 514 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 1: guard having sex with a female inmate and you're somehow saying, oh, 515 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,759 Speaker 1: the female inmate cast a charm on him, and therefore 516 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 1: he had sex with her. This is very very clear. 517 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 1: She is in the fiduciary duty position. It's her responsibility 518 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 1: as a prison guard. Like a cop. You don't suddenly 519 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 1: get enticed to have sex with the perp in the 520 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:31,279 Speaker 1: backseat of your patrol card, right, I mean, Ashley, where 521 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 1: am I failing and explaining this duty of the female 522 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 1: prison guard. I think the duty of the female prison guard, 523 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 1: first of all, is no different than it is for 524 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:45,719 Speaker 1: the duty of any prison guard. I don't care what 525 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 1: anything they are. It's the same whether they're male female, 526 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 1: regardless of race, regardless of socioeconomic anything. It's the same responsibility. 527 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:59,279 Speaker 1: It's the same duty. It's no different. And another thing 528 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 1: that I really have and compelled to point out, this 529 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:06,279 Speaker 1: happens all the time. It's not right. I'm not excusing it, 530 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 1: but there are relationships between prison guards and prisoners all 531 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 1: the time. I've got to tell you something, Never once 532 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 1: in all the years I prosecuted, did I ever entertain 533 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:24,880 Speaker 1: a relationship with a defendant. And this went far beyond 534 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:29,279 Speaker 1: and Joyce Mitchell's case of just having sex. Take a 535 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 1: listen to ABC twenty twenty our cut ten. I'm sure 536 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,760 Speaker 1: once they realize that they can manipulate Joyce into bringing 537 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,759 Speaker 1: in the tools, that was the first step. What did 538 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,320 Speaker 1: she give them? Hackab blades, drill bits, a punch tool, 539 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 1: a couple pairs of eyeglasses that have lights on them. 540 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,919 Speaker 1: She later then provided batteries for those lights. But while 541 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,279 Speaker 1: with twins, she had a guard on their unit named 542 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,920 Speaker 1: Gene Palmer who brought ground beef to the prisoners with 543 00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,440 Speaker 1: the critical sob blades hidden inside. He was a cool 544 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,840 Speaker 1: officer down to earth. I don't think he had anything 545 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,799 Speaker 1: any knowledge about what was in that meet. Palmer says 546 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,759 Speaker 1: he had no idea, but admits he cut corners other times, 547 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,160 Speaker 1: helping Mad and Sweat in exchange for inside information on 548 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:19,720 Speaker 1: other prisoners. Now properly equipped, while he says, Sweat begins 549 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:25,240 Speaker 1: gnawing through the walls of prison. Incredible arranged hack, saw blads, 550 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:31,200 Speaker 1: punch tools, glasses with lights, handing them over to convicted killers. Okay, 551 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 1: bottom line right, kiputea. What is Lauren McIntyre, Well, it's 552 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,240 Speaker 1: her sentence. She's going to jail. I believe her about 553 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,359 Speaker 1: three years in Nancy, and that's painful because she's got 554 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 1: four months old baby twins at home in another five 555 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,040 Speaker 1: year old child. That is a big part of those 556 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 1: little kids wives grown up without mom. But she's going 557 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 1: to a prison that she was convicted in a court 558 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 1: two miles away from the prison, that she was accused 559 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,760 Speaker 1: of doing all this stuff, And it's just quite ironic 560 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,919 Speaker 1: that she's now finding herself when you're inside of the law. 561 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,359 Speaker 1: I wonder how she's going to explain that to her 562 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 1: children when they grow up and look up mommy on 563 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 1: the internet. We wait as justice unfolds Nancy Gray's crime story, 564 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:12,239 Speaker 1: signing off goodbye friend,