WEBVTT - Bloomberg Businessweek Weekend - June 11th, 2021

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<v Speaker 1>This is Bloomberg Business Week Inside from the reporters and

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<v Speaker 1>editors who bring you America's most trusted business magazine, plus

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<v Speaker 1>global business, finance and tech news as it happened. Its

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg Business Week with Carol Messer and Bloomberg Quick Takes.

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<v Speaker 1>Tim Stinovik on Bloomberg Radio. Hi, everyone, welcome to the

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<v Speaker 1>weekend edition of Bloomberg Business Week. This week, how we

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<v Speaker 1>can't seem to get enough of sporting and outdoor goods

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<v Speaker 1>here what's flying off the shelves at Academy Sports and

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<v Speaker 1>Outdoors from the company CEO. Plus, we talked to our

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<v Speaker 1>Dr Rachel Do, the co founder of Mody Health, on

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<v Speaker 1>how her company changed during the pandemic. Also, Tim, we

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<v Speaker 1>get a fascinating tale on the life cycle of a

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<v Speaker 1>pair of jeans, tour and jeans not right now, but

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<v Speaker 1>I do every day, all right? Well, listen, that pair

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<v Speaker 1>of jeans when you are wearing them, goes through a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll get the story from the author of Unraveled, The

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<v Speaker 1>Life and Death of a garment and later on Margaritaville

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<v Speaker 1>in Times Square, Jimmy Buffett's laid back state of mind

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<v Speaker 1>finding a home in the heart of Manhattan Marguerite Deville

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<v Speaker 1>in New York as a performing musician. New York is

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<v Speaker 1>probably the hardest market to ever crack as a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of performer. But I broke through, and I did it

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<v Speaker 1>with a lot of hard work and a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>inspiration from other people. I had to just look at

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<v Speaker 1>it as this. It's an island, and I've I've been

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<v Speaker 1>an island boy for a long time. It's a little

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<v Speaker 1>different island, So I got to figure out how to

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<v Speaker 1>get these islanders, to figure out what those other island

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<v Speaker 1>just like about what I'll do. For more on that

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<v Speaker 1>story in an overview of our latest issue, let's bring

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<v Speaker 1>in the editor of the magazine, Joel Webber. Joel will

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<v Speaker 1>go inside this unusual attraction in just a moment, but

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<v Speaker 1>I want to start on a more serious note. This week,

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<v Speaker 1>a Senate report is blaming intelligence and security failures for

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<v Speaker 1>the January six riot at the US Capitol, and a

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<v Speaker 1>group of online salutes is helping to I d some

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<v Speaker 1>of those who took part that story in the politics section.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right that they called themselves this edition hunters, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's really a total amateur network who following the January

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<v Speaker 1>January six insurrection turned the Internet into basically a man

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<v Speaker 1>hunt in an attempt to find some of the people

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<v Speaker 1>who were perpetrators. And they've been successful, um, but they've

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<v Speaker 1>also not been successful. What motivates them, Joel, It's really

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<v Speaker 1>a quest for justice. And when you think about the

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<v Speaker 1>historical president for something like this, like I was fascinated

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<v Speaker 1>by this, this idea that you know, when when JFK

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<v Speaker 1>was assassinated, there was really just one piece of footage

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<v Speaker 1>that you know, millions of people spent decades boring over

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<v Speaker 1>this time. Because of the amount of cameras and footage

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<v Speaker 1>and everything that we that we have at at our availability,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's a mountain of options for everyone to sleuth through.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Tel, So let's get to a story now

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<v Speaker 1>in the feature section. President Trump has been kind of

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<v Speaker 1>quiet until last weekend. Uh, he did make a speech

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<v Speaker 1>in North Carolina. So let's talk about his life post

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<v Speaker 1>White House. It's a little bit different from other past presidents. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>mar Lago is really the center of that, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>almost like a like a retreat, a winter retreat, if

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<v Speaker 1>you will. And and granted he's now in New Jersey

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<v Speaker 1>at his home in Bedminster, but what Josh really, Josh Green,

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<v Speaker 1>who wrote the story, really writes about here is that

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<v Speaker 1>mar Lago is basically the center of an alternative universe

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<v Speaker 1>for GOP hardliners who are in favor of Trump and

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<v Speaker 1>his presidency, and it's really the center of its own universe,

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<v Speaker 1>and it has had a gravitational poll on really a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the heavyweights within the Trump orbit. So center

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<v Speaker 1>of certainly he is the center of attention, I should say,

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<v Speaker 1>down there in mar Lago, when he's down there in

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<v Speaker 1>Florida specifically, but I do wonder about his grasp on

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<v Speaker 1>the Republican Party. Is the center of the Republican Party

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<v Speaker 1>right now? Yeah, And that's really big, Hume. What's clear,

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<v Speaker 1>and we've seen that just within the last weeks and months,

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<v Speaker 1>as the whole law in the party is very much

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<v Speaker 1>still in his hands. Um, that it's and that's been

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<v Speaker 1>the draw to Florida is that there's one of the

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<v Speaker 1>one of the sources that Josh got was an amazing

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<v Speaker 1>quote from was as long as the fish are still biting,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't take your your lure out of the water, right.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is the sense that from from fundraising, from

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<v Speaker 1>even just being shouldering up to the former president. To

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<v Speaker 1>do all of that stuff, you have to be in

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<v Speaker 1>South Florida near him, and that has created like this

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<v Speaker 1>um sticky quality of being down there too. Whereas a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people would usually be leaving, now South Florida

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<v Speaker 1>has become this this little universe of for the GOP.

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<v Speaker 1>All Right, I gotta talk to us about a story

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<v Speaker 1>in the finance section FOMO big time, whether it's something

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<v Speaker 1>Elon Musk is tweeting about, or a meme stock or

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<v Speaker 1>buying a house. At this point, there's an incredible fear

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<v Speaker 1>of missing out right now. Yeah, So Leonel Lauren wrote

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<v Speaker 1>the story and and it really I think helps some

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<v Speaker 1>up not only multiple stories in the issue, but just

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<v Speaker 1>the zeitgeist that I think many investors feel right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we have some of the most prominent investors

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<v Speaker 1>in the world, professional investors in the world saying that

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<v Speaker 1>they're even feeling like they've been missing out on stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>And and just as a as a normal person who's

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<v Speaker 1>like goes to the playground with his son and it's

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm getting tons of inquiries and and people pitching

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<v Speaker 1>different stuff, and it just feels like it's what it's

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<v Speaker 1>this cacophony of alternative things that are suddenly captivating us

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<v Speaker 1>and as a society. And I thought Leonel did a

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<v Speaker 1>really good job of pulling that together. Whether it's meme,

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<v Speaker 1>stocks or housing, you name it, it's trading cards, it's

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<v Speaker 1>like it's all over the place. Well back to our

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<v Speaker 1>cover story now, Joel. And usually when the name Buffett

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<v Speaker 1>is uttered on Bloomberg, we're not talking we're talking about Warren,

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<v Speaker 1>but not this time. We are talking about Jimmy Buffett. Joel. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Margaritaville Enterprises just just a massive, massive company. What's with

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<v Speaker 1>the latest project happening right here in New York City? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you hit it right. This is the other Buffett and

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<v Speaker 1>Jimmy Buffett basically had a song, Margariteville, that inspired a

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<v Speaker 1>business empire. And it's really never been written about how

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<v Speaker 1>parrot heads um his followers. It's this cult following. And

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<v Speaker 1>now he's basically conquered New York, which has long been

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<v Speaker 1>even as a musician. It was a tip that somebody

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<v Speaker 1>told him, is like, you've got to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>conquer New York. And so now years later, here he

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<v Speaker 1>is with this three and seventy million dollar hotel that's

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<v Speaker 1>just opening in New York. As New York reopens, it's

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<v Speaker 1>its own economy, the perfect symbol for getting things back

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<v Speaker 1>to normal. Jimmy Buffett being back here in New York City.

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<v Speaker 1>Joel Webber, editor of the magazine, thanks so much for

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<v Speaker 1>joining us. Coming up as summer approaches, one sporting goods

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<v Speaker 1>company is having trouble keeping up with the demand offense.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody wants to get outside. I love it too. You're

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<v Speaker 1>listening to Bloomberg Business Week is Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg

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<v Speaker 1>Business Week with Carol Messer and Bloomberg Quick Takes Tim

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<v Speaker 1>Spinovik from Bloomberg Radio. Academy Sports and Outdoors. Tim, they

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<v Speaker 1>went public back in October. It's up of that from

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<v Speaker 1>its I p O, the KKR back company. It has

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<v Speaker 1>certainly seen its stock on a tear this year alone,

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<v Speaker 1>nearly double A and Academy reported earnings this week, raising

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<v Speaker 1>its forecast for its fiscal year despite some ongoing issues

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<v Speaker 1>tied to the COVID nineteen pandemic. That's right, they laid

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<v Speaker 1>it out in their financial filing. Ken Hicks is Chairman

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<v Speaker 1>Presidency of Academy Sports and Outdoors. He's also former chairman

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<v Speaker 1>and CEO Foot Locker and Ken began with an update

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<v Speaker 1>on academies business. We're obviously seeing some very strong business. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>We're you know, reported sales up almost thirty nine percent

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<v Speaker 1>and and very strong profits. And we've up to our

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<v Speaker 1>estimate for a year two between UH six and nine percent. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And what we're seeing is the customer who found the

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<v Speaker 1>new hobby, found fishing or camping, were riding bikes, built

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<v Speaker 1>their home gym, is coming back and buying more. And

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<v Speaker 1>so people who got into the outdoors uh or into

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<v Speaker 1>a sport are really continuing with that. Well, that's interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>And your supply chain, you guys have had no problem

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<v Speaker 1>meeting everything that you needed to. Well, no, the s

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<v Speaker 1>fly chain, the supply chain is a challenge, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we never closed during COVID and we were able to

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<v Speaker 1>stay open and that allowed us to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>order goods and see what was happening. And so i'd

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<v Speaker 1>say we're a little bit ahead of some of the

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<v Speaker 1>others and our team is just doing a terrific job

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<v Speaker 1>getting the merchandise through. But it is not easy. So

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<v Speaker 1>we still don't have of inventory issues in some areas,

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<v Speaker 1>but overall it's at an acceptable level. Is it getting easier.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you seeing things you know, kind of lighten up

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of the supply chain getting more you know normal?

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<v Speaker 1>If I can, I think we're going to see this

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<v Speaker 1>through the remainder of the year. How does that make

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<v Speaker 1>you change? You're thinking about how you want your supply

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<v Speaker 1>chain to work going forward? Well, we actually, uh have

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<v Speaker 1>a major study underway right now. We're going to take

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<v Speaker 1>some significant actions to improve our supply chain going forward

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<v Speaker 1>to really make it more flexible and more up to date.

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<v Speaker 1>We you know, it works okay, but we're gonna need

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<v Speaker 1>as we grow, a much stronger supply chain. What does

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<v Speaker 1>that mean though, Ken? Does that mean more stuff in

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<v Speaker 1>your backyard to where you're selling? What does it mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I'm assuming most of your your sales are helped

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<v Speaker 1>me out here, remind me, is it mostly North America? US?

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<v Speaker 1>All of our sales are US. We're in uh the

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<v Speaker 1>south central part of the United States. And you know

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<v Speaker 1>the thing better systems, better processes. Uh. You know, we've

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<v Speaker 1>got the infrastructure in terms of buildings, but what we

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<v Speaker 1>need now are better processes and systems to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to track and flow the goods through the system faster

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<v Speaker 1>and more accurately and keep a better eye on it.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not necessarily manufacturing bringing manufacturing back home to

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<v Speaker 1>the U S. You just need systems that can track it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I've always the Apple model where I could

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<v Speaker 1>buy a phone and I could tell where it was

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<v Speaker 1>at every step of the you know, the stages. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what you're looking to do. Yeah, car right on. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>listen in the ken in the corporate earnings release, you

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<v Speaker 1>guys noted there. Here's a direct quote. There is still

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<v Speaker 1>economic concertainty from the impact of COVID, niteen and other

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<v Speaker 1>external factors. Is that the supply chain or something else?

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, just it's the supply chain is part

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<v Speaker 1>of it. But also you know, people are still uh

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<v Speaker 1>trying to find their way in what they do in

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<v Speaker 1>our markets. A lot of people have been out for

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<v Speaker 1>a while, but you know, how will people spend their money? Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and how long people will continue with some of the

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<v Speaker 1>hobbies and habits that they've got. We're seeing that they're continuing.

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<v Speaker 1>But as people go out to eat more, go on

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<v Speaker 1>vacations and things, you know that there's a there's always

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<v Speaker 1>a risk of of how much money they have to

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<v Speaker 1>spend on other adventures right the while it is just

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<v Speaker 1>so wide and so you make choices, and most people

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<v Speaker 1>would say so thin, exactly exactly, especially you've got a

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<v Speaker 1>kid in college. Hey, listen, when they want to ask you,

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<v Speaker 1>your stock is nearly shorted the float as a percentage

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<v Speaker 1>excuse me of the float. I know CEOs don't like

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about their stock price, But in the world

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<v Speaker 1>of meme stocks, where high short positions get the attention

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<v Speaker 1>of the retail redded investor crowd, are you a little

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<v Speaker 1>concerned about getting caught up in that? Not really, because

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<v Speaker 1>the the I think the lift we we saw it

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<v Speaker 1>today and we've seen so far is based on the

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<v Speaker 1>performance that we had. And unlike some of the other

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<v Speaker 1>stocks that you you're referring to, they don't have the

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<v Speaker 1>underlying foundation of a good, solid business. We do. We've

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<v Speaker 1>got sales growth, we've got profit growth, and we have

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<v Speaker 1>opportunities for uh, you know, expansion online and in other

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<v Speaker 1>markets that a lot of other people don't have. So

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<v Speaker 1>we've got that solid foundation to continue to grow, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's what will allow us to whether through

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<v Speaker 1>some of the challenges that other other stocks have seen.

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<v Speaker 1>Can really quickly twenty seconds one item that's just flying

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<v Speaker 1>off the shelfs right now. Uh tense ten people. People

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<v Speaker 1>are camping like crazy, tens flying off the shells. Everybody

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<v Speaker 1>wants to go camping this summer. Listen. I spent a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of time in the last week or so now

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<v Speaker 1>that the weather is better outside, and I get it,

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<v Speaker 1>I've kind of forgotten we've had a pandemic. I haven't

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<v Speaker 1>had a mask on. Uh, from the minute I get up,

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<v Speaker 1>from the minute I go to bed. It's a different

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<v Speaker 1>experience outdoors, way better than indoors any day of the week.

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<v Speaker 1>Ken Hicks's chairman, president and CEO of Academy Sports and Outdoors.

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<v Speaker 1>Still ahead on Bloomberg Business Week Holistic Approach to Health,

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<v Speaker 1>and later on our cover story on the Pirate taking

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<v Speaker 1>on New York City Jimmy Buffett, Margueritaville and its new

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<v Speaker 1>attraction in Times Square. Can't say it enough, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>five o'clock somewhere well, Martin. Marinaville is kind of an enigma.

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<v Speaker 1>That's where the something that I never envisioned happening when

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<v Speaker 1>I wrote that song in about five minutes on the

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<v Speaker 1>seven Mile Bridge. It just goes to show you that

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<v Speaker 1>anything can happen in America. That story is still to go.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Bloomberg Broadcasting from the financial capital of the World,

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<v Speaker 1>And the health of Americans has really been in the spotlight,

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<v Speaker 1>yes because of the pandemic, but also because of comorbidities

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<v Speaker 1>during this health crisis, and we're now looking at our health,

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<v Speaker 1>not just our physical well being, but also our well being.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything matters. Yet that holistic approach to medicine and health

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<v Speaker 1>that Dr Eva Do focuses on. She's the co founder

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<v Speaker 1>of Moody Health. It's a platform that offers both live

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<v Speaker 1>telemedicine and telewellness consultations, as well as an on demand

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<v Speaker 1>health and wellness streaming service. Here's Dr Do. We've seen

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<v Speaker 1>a dramatic increase of users and patients on our platform.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously during the pandemic when things were shut down and

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<v Speaker 1>people were staying in. Having access to virtual care as

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<v Speaker 1>well as virtual health and well being support was critically important.

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<v Speaker 1>So the pandemic has really um skyrocketed us and really

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<v Speaker 1>expanded our our platform significantly over the last fourteen months.

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<v Speaker 1>Dr Do are you offering vaccinations? No, we're not. We're

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<v Speaker 1>a truly virtually not even hybrid exactly. So we are

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<v Speaker 1>a virtual platform that offers virtual care with every type

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<v Speaker 1>of practitioner you could possibly want, so you can really

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<v Speaker 1>get a holistic approach everything from traditional primary care to

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<v Speaker 1>mental health, to complementary alternative life coaches, nutrition, as well

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<v Speaker 1>as a streaming service and health memberships that allow a

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<v Speaker 1>holistic approach to getting the support, guidance and tools you need.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really curious about the holistic approach because one thing

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<v Speaker 1>that the pandemic has done, among the many things, is

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's shown us the verities between many different types

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<v Speaker 1>of people in the US and around the world, and indeed,

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<v Speaker 1>we've seen those with cold morbidities suffer worse fates when

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<v Speaker 1>they do get sick with coronavirus. And I'm wondering if

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<v Speaker 1>you can speak to the way that you perhaps think

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<v Speaker 1>that we may start to actually think differently about taking

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<v Speaker 1>a holistic approach to medicine on the other side of

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<v Speaker 1>the pandemic, it's such a critically important issue right now.

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<v Speaker 1>You're absolutely right, people are really looking at their health

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<v Speaker 1>from a different perspective. You know what we're seeing at

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<v Speaker 1>MOTI Health and really within the industry of health and

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<v Speaker 1>well being care is a higher level of interest and

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<v Speaker 1>attention to preventative health and wellness, including mental health, and

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<v Speaker 1>the pandemics really created a significant amount of stress and

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<v Speaker 1>emotional strain on so many who are now also in

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<v Speaker 1>need of mental and emotional health support. And you're completely

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<v Speaker 1>correct when you're talking about the need for a holistic approach,

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<v Speaker 1>more inclusive ability these and access to people of all

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<v Speaker 1>different backgrounds. And that's one of the reasons why a

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<v Speaker 1>virtual health platform is such such a timely and important

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<v Speaker 1>need right now within the industry. So having virtual access

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<v Speaker 1>really does create more accessibility to people being able no

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<v Speaker 1>matter what type of income, level of background, that you

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<v Speaker 1>are being able to have access to whole person care

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<v Speaker 1>to really optimize your health and well being. Not only

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<v Speaker 1>during the era of COVID, decreasing risk of getting COVID

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<v Speaker 1>or becoming extremely ill from COVID, but also on the

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<v Speaker 1>other side of the pandemic. To really optimize your health

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<v Speaker 1>and well being so that you can experience health, wellness

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<v Speaker 1>and really thrive as a human being is so important.

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<v Speaker 1>But there is still this technological gap between many people

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<v Speaker 1>in the United States, and we saw that really play

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<v Speaker 1>out when it came to the way that people were

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<v Speaker 1>scheduling and given access to vaccines. There were many people

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<v Speaker 1>in the US who didn't necessarily have the technological know

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<v Speaker 1>how in order to schedule those appointments, and I'm wondering

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<v Speaker 1>how you account for that with a telemedicine service. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a system that was rolled out very quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>It was an emergency UM you know response, and so

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't necessarily set up in the most accessible way

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<v Speaker 1>to those who are elderly or those who didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>access to a computer or a smartphone for example. So

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to platforms like ours, um, really all

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<v Speaker 1>you need is Internet access and it's as simple and

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<v Speaker 1>easy to use as something like a Facebook, right. So

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<v Speaker 1>being able when it comes to health technology to make

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<v Speaker 1>it more accessible, it's not only about having access to

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<v Speaker 1>the physical platform, right, So that's Internet connectivity but you

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<v Speaker 1>really have to be designing the user experience for people

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<v Speaker 1>of all different technology levels and skills. That's Dr Rachel

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<v Speaker 1>even Do. She's the co founder of Moody Health and listen,

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<v Speaker 1>we've had these conversations a lot over the past year

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<v Speaker 1>or so and just talking about holistic health. It had

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<v Speaker 1>some momentum pre pandemic him, but definitely has picked up

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of speed. And this whole idea of the

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<v Speaker 1>digitization of our world has also picked up speed. And

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<v Speaker 1>that includes finally in medicine. And I think as we

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<v Speaker 1>hear from these medical professionals, tell the medicine it's here

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<v Speaker 1>to stay. It is, and even beyond that, Carol, I

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<v Speaker 1>think it made a lot of people rethink their own

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<v Speaker 1>priorities in life and what they wanted to be doing.

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<v Speaker 1>And this holistic approach to health, it not only includes

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<v Speaker 1>physical health, but it includes mental health and mental state

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<v Speaker 1>and how you're feeling about things. How many meditation apps

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<v Speaker 1>do you have on your phone? How many do I use?

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<v Speaker 1>The question? That's true, I have several. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>he's using as much as I should. You're listening to

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg Business Week coming up next. We're looking at the

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<v Speaker 1>life cycle of a pair of genes. I'll tell you

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<v Speaker 1>it goes around the world. This is Bloomberg. You're listening

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<v Speaker 1>to Bloomberg Business Week with Carol Messer and bloom Burg

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<v Speaker 1>Quick Takes Tim Stinovik from Bloomberg Radio. We've talked about

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<v Speaker 1>this a lot, the fashion and retail industry's impact on

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<v Speaker 1>the environment, and Tim, there's a new book out it

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<v Speaker 1>looks into this. It's entitled Unraveled, The Life and Death

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<v Speaker 1>of a Garment. It's by Maxine Beta, founder and director

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<v Speaker 1>of the think tank New Standard Institute, which describes itself

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<v Speaker 1>as a think in due tank using data and the

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<v Speaker 1>power of citizens to turn the fashion industry into a

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<v Speaker 1>force for good. And prior to running NSI, she co

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<v Speaker 1>founded and was the CEO of z D. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>fashion Brandon lifestyle destination. It's got the goal of creating

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<v Speaker 1>a transparent and sustainable future for the apparel industry. But

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<v Speaker 1>let's get back to her book, because it is called

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<v Speaker 1>Unraveled and Tim, it truly follows the life cycle of

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<v Speaker 1>a pair of genes. You know about that, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>It's involves so mining resources. The book part the story

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<v Speaker 1>of a pair of gene It starts in a cotton

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<v Speaker 1>field in West text it travels to UM, then China

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<v Speaker 1>to see where that cotton is turned into a textile.

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<v Speaker 1>Then it goes from UM China to Bangladesh where that

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<v Speaker 1>text stile is cut and sown into a garment UM

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<v Speaker 1>and then travels back to the United States to the

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<v Speaker 1>distribution centers the Amazon facilities, where I got the opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>to speak to the UM workers there as well. UM

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<v Speaker 1>and then it it UM. I spoke to a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of shoppers understanding their relationship to clothing, why they're buying

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<v Speaker 1>the clothes UM and after the brief stop in UM

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<v Speaker 1>a shopper's closet that the clothes are donated or are

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<v Speaker 1>thrown out and and UM. The book UH follows that

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<v Speaker 1>along UM Sugana, where the second hand market of clothing

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<v Speaker 1>UH is significant, UM and the landfill there where a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of our clothing actually ends up. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>how you feel, but the pandemic has made me kind

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<v Speaker 1>of rethink a lot of things in my life, and

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<v Speaker 1>that includes stuff. I grew up with a mom who

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<v Speaker 1>was like, by quality, you don't need a lot of stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>you just need good stuff. You know, and think it

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<v Speaker 1>would be thoughtful. We've really evolved into a consumption society

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<v Speaker 1>where you know, when we talk a lot about fast fashion,

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<v Speaker 1>you weard a couple of times it was inexpensive, you

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<v Speaker 1>toss it out. Um, what was the most disturbing thing?

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<v Speaker 1>Are things that you found out in doing this book? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's it's really the the speed, um, the accumulation, um.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the scale of the industry and where where

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<v Speaker 1>it's leaving workers and workers not you know, workers in

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<v Speaker 1>women in bangladeshion and women make up a large percentage

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<v Speaker 1>of the garment workers Googly and also the workers domestically. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we not tend not to think about Amazon

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<v Speaker 1>as a session company, but it is the largest online

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<v Speaker 1>apparel retailer um in terms of number of shoppers. In

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<v Speaker 1>the book, you know, I I got to go to

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<v Speaker 1>China and see these rivers that are black, and then

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<v Speaker 1>I went to Bangladesh and the rivers became even more

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<v Speaker 1>black and Ghana at the end, which was, um, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the most black rivers you got to actually see. I

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<v Speaker 1>was able to see the impact that our clothing has

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<v Speaker 1>and that's something that's such a huge shift from even

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<v Speaker 1>a generation ago, because in the sixties of clothing that

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<v Speaker 1>Americans war with American made today that's less than so

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<v Speaker 1>we don't see the interact that our clothing has UM.

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<v Speaker 1>But yet it's a normous and the rivers are black.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm assuming it's runoff from the manufacturing and dies or

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<v Speaker 1>what have you. Yes, exactly, Maxine. You know sometimes we

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the food industry. There's been books before over

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<v Speaker 1>the past few decades that if you really knew what

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<v Speaker 1>was in certain foods, you probably wouldn't need it. And

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<v Speaker 1>I do wonder how much of what we wear, if

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<v Speaker 1>we really understood the process of it, you know, ultimately

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<v Speaker 1>ending up in our closet, how many of us would say,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, I don't want it? Yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 1>it definitely. I mean going through this process has changed

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<v Speaker 1>my relationship to so they for sure, UM And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I I see the work that goes into it. I

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<v Speaker 1>see the resources and the environmental impact that it has

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<v Speaker 1>UM and so I've I've definitely changed the relationship to

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<v Speaker 1>my own order grope. But it hasn't been one of

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<v Speaker 1>um you know that I try to resist ever over

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<v Speaker 1>buying anything. It's actually been a very positive experience. Or

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<v Speaker 1>I realized you know, I don't have to jump on

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<v Speaker 1>that trend that's kind of being pushed on me. I can,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, really love my clothes, and so you know,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's the message that I'm trying to get across,

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<v Speaker 1>as if we actually moved to a relationship where we

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<v Speaker 1>you know, deeply loved our things, we will end up

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<v Speaker 1>wearing them more. UM and that is actually the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>driver of the reduction in resource us. It's just increasing

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<v Speaker 1>that you of our clothing. I got a teenager who

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<v Speaker 1>definitely looks at kind of what a company stands for

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<v Speaker 1>and their impact on the environment. You're seeing increasingly, certainly

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<v Speaker 1>kind of startup companies and even some of the major

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<v Speaker 1>companies really look at their impact at the environment and

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<v Speaker 1>figuring out how to do it better. How hard is it, though,

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<v Speaker 1>to do it better to manufacture it to reduce the

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<v Speaker 1>impact on the environment. How difficult is it? Really? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think what we have to recognize is, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>as you were saying, it's uh, it's the young generation

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<v Speaker 1>that is really understanding, you know, the environmental crisis in

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<v Speaker 1>which we find ourselves in. Um and so they're the

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<v Speaker 1>ones that are really pushing for this change. But what

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<v Speaker 1>we're at this place right now where the industry is

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<v Speaker 1>responding with um, you know, quite a lot of marketing

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<v Speaker 1>around sustainability, but we're not seeing a lot of disclosures

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<v Speaker 1>UM talk about financial disclosures, but environmental disclosures that are

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<v Speaker 1>clear that are you know, apples apples con person So

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<v Speaker 1>it's very hard for consumers to be able to understand

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<v Speaker 1>what is a company that is you know, doing your

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<v Speaker 1>work and what is kind of greenwashing along the way

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<v Speaker 1>right right, And we we have this similar conversation when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to diversity and inclusion. Right there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of conversations going on it once again, and and it's

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<v Speaker 1>you know, taking the words and turning them into action

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<v Speaker 1>so that there are change. I guess my question is, though,

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<v Speaker 1>can we easily or can we make the changes, the

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<v Speaker 1>necessary changes so that there aren't workers who are basically, um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, kind of in a prison cell manufacturing the

0:26:32.920 --> 0:26:35.280
<v Speaker 1>sweater that I'm wearing or the genes that I'm wearing.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there ways to do it so that the dyes

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<v Speaker 1>aren't running off into the water in developing markets? Can

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<v Speaker 1>we do it in an affordable way? Because I remember

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<v Speaker 1>a conversation years ago with someone who said, listen, we

0:26:48.760 --> 0:26:50.119
<v Speaker 1>can do it in a better way, but are you

0:26:50.160 --> 0:26:54.239
<v Speaker 1>ready to pay seventy bucks for that T shirt? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>so can we do it? Basically? Is the question? The

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<v Speaker 1>answer the simple answers yes, um. You know it's not.

0:27:00.760 --> 0:27:04.680
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't take new technology to improve the energy of

0:27:05.280 --> 0:27:09.200
<v Speaker 1>energy efficiency in mills and to switch over to alternative

0:27:09.280 --> 0:27:12.399
<v Speaker 1>energies UM UM at the mills. And I talked about

0:27:12.400 --> 0:27:15.600
<v Speaker 1>the mills because that's really the UM ground zero when

0:27:15.680 --> 0:27:20.280
<v Speaker 1>we talk about energy, climate emission UM and chemical emissions

0:27:20.320 --> 0:27:23.720
<v Speaker 1>is at that phase where you're turning the fiber into

0:27:23.760 --> 0:27:28.920
<v Speaker 1>a textile. So really this is possible. And the researchers

0:27:29.000 --> 0:27:31.440
<v Speaker 1>who are focused on e f G, who have been

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<v Speaker 1>looking in terms of the labor side UM have also

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<v Speaker 1>said as well that it wouldn't mean a seven D

0:27:37.080 --> 0:27:38.919
<v Speaker 1>dollar T shirt. In fact, it would be something like

0:27:39.040 --> 0:27:43.600
<v Speaker 1>fifteen additional scents and that's even yes, but the cost

0:27:43.680 --> 0:27:46.360
<v Speaker 1>would be absorbed you know, by the by the consumer,

0:27:46.480 --> 0:27:48.600
<v Speaker 1>not the company itself. How do we move the mark?

0:27:48.800 --> 0:27:50.800
<v Speaker 1>How do we do it or who has to do

0:27:50.880 --> 0:27:53.800
<v Speaker 1>it within the industry. Yeah, so that's the work that

0:27:53.840 --> 0:27:56.880
<v Speaker 1>we're you know, focusing in on the Standard Institute now

0:27:57.080 --> 0:27:59.240
<v Speaker 1>is we need to move to a place that is

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<v Speaker 1>beyond this marketing talk, beyond the talk um. We need

0:28:02.760 --> 0:28:08.600
<v Speaker 1>to have very clear disclosures around the total environmental impact,

0:28:09.280 --> 0:28:12.399
<v Speaker 1>actual disclosures around wages. And that's the way that we

0:28:12.440 --> 0:28:15.120
<v Speaker 1>can be able to kind of move from the race

0:28:15.160 --> 0:28:17.240
<v Speaker 1>to the bottom to a race to the top. And

0:28:17.280 --> 0:28:20.400
<v Speaker 1>so that's the kind of policy that we're pushing, um

0:28:20.400 --> 0:28:22.800
<v Speaker 1>trying to advance at NSI is a place that we

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<v Speaker 1>can have a level field um and make the progress

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<v Speaker 1>we need to make in the time frame that we

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<v Speaker 1>need to make it. What is the time frame realistically

0:28:30.840 --> 0:28:34.920
<v Speaker 1>that we can make these changes. Well, you know, uh,

0:28:35.119 --> 0:28:38.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's it's what it's always a tough part

0:28:38.920 --> 0:28:41.800
<v Speaker 1>right now. We find it with climate change, right people

0:28:41.800 --> 0:28:43.720
<v Speaker 1>put out goals and they're like, Okay, we're gonna be

0:28:43.800 --> 0:28:46.920
<v Speaker 1>carbon neutral or have a zero carbon impact, but we're

0:28:46.920 --> 0:28:48.520
<v Speaker 1>going to do it, you know, twenty years from now.

0:28:48.560 --> 0:28:51.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's like it seems like a long time

0:28:51.040 --> 0:28:54.320
<v Speaker 1>because a lot of damage is done in the interim exactly.

0:28:54.440 --> 0:28:56.800
<v Speaker 1>And I think that even the bigger problems that the

0:28:56.840 --> 0:29:00.200
<v Speaker 1>executives who are you making those commitments are like, we're

0:29:00.200 --> 0:29:02.080
<v Speaker 1>not going to be there at that time. So you

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<v Speaker 1>know that's why if we if we move, we keep

0:29:04.720 --> 0:29:08.560
<v Speaker 1>those targets, but moved to disclosures. Right now, we're creating

0:29:08.600 --> 0:29:11.120
<v Speaker 1>the right incentive incentives you know, with in the C

0:29:11.320 --> 0:29:14.080
<v Speaker 1>suite to actually make the progress right now and not

0:29:14.280 --> 0:29:17.040
<v Speaker 1>kick the can. And and it isn't it doesn't you know,

0:29:17.080 --> 0:29:19.480
<v Speaker 1>as I said, it's rocket science. Um. You know the

0:29:19.560 --> 0:29:21.480
<v Speaker 1>people who are doing this work, you know, it ends

0:29:21.560 --> 0:29:24.600
<v Speaker 1>up a lot of it being cost saving because it's

0:29:24.600 --> 0:29:29.000
<v Speaker 1>about energy efficiency. UM. So this is very possible. It's

0:29:29.080 --> 0:29:33.160
<v Speaker 1>about getting needs to work together on their facilities. But

0:29:33.200 --> 0:29:35.600
<v Speaker 1>it is highly doable. We just have to create the

0:29:35.640 --> 0:29:37.680
<v Speaker 1>will to make it happen. Is there one company that

0:29:37.720 --> 0:29:39.920
<v Speaker 1>you point out is saying, listen, this company has really

0:29:39.960 --> 0:29:44.600
<v Speaker 1>been bad in terms of you know, fast fashion if

0:29:44.600 --> 0:29:46.760
<v Speaker 1>you will, or just you know, we want something, we

0:29:46.800 --> 0:29:49.280
<v Speaker 1>get it quickly and we think about consumption differently. Just

0:29:49.320 --> 0:29:52.560
<v Speaker 1>got about thirty seconds left. Yeah, I mean, I think

0:29:52.600 --> 0:29:56.400
<v Speaker 1>any of those um companies they're with their business model

0:29:56.600 --> 0:30:00.960
<v Speaker 1>is getting us to something and where it one. And

0:30:01.000 --> 0:30:05.120
<v Speaker 1>there's just you know, women you know are are there

0:30:05.120 --> 0:30:07.920
<v Speaker 1>are the surveys that are finding that women are seeing

0:30:08.120 --> 0:30:11.040
<v Speaker 1>that they're clothing feels old after wearing it. Only one

0:30:11.560 --> 0:30:13.560
<v Speaker 1>that type of model that we need to kind of

0:30:13.600 --> 0:30:16.520
<v Speaker 1>move away from. That's Maccine Beta, author of the new

0:30:16.560 --> 0:30:20.040
<v Speaker 1>book Unraveled, and just talking about you know, starting from

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<v Speaker 1>the cotton fields in essentially the United States and just

0:30:23.920 --> 0:30:27.600
<v Speaker 1>being manufactured overseas and then ending up in a junk

0:30:27.640 --> 0:30:30.000
<v Speaker 1>pile ultimately. You know, I was thinking about this. It's

0:30:30.040 --> 0:30:32.400
<v Speaker 1>it's like what we think about when it comes to food,

0:30:32.680 --> 0:30:35.719
<v Speaker 1>and the conversation has changed around food and where your

0:30:35.720 --> 0:30:37.600
<v Speaker 1>food comes from. I think increasingly people are going to

0:30:37.680 --> 0:30:39.560
<v Speaker 1>start thinking the same way about their garments. Well, you

0:30:39.560 --> 0:30:41.440
<v Speaker 1>and I have had this conversation just this past week

0:30:41.440 --> 0:30:43.680
<v Speaker 1>about we just take certain things for granted, and then

0:30:43.720 --> 0:30:46.160
<v Speaker 1>when you start to break it down, whether it's when

0:30:46.160 --> 0:30:48.479
<v Speaker 1>we can access websites, we're like, oh wait, how does

0:30:48.520 --> 0:30:50.920
<v Speaker 1>it actually happen? And then you understand some of the

0:30:51.000 --> 0:30:53.280
<v Speaker 1>vulnerable points or some of the impacts it has kind

0:30:53.280 --> 0:30:55.640
<v Speaker 1>of on our world. Hey, we're all connected. Yeah, exactly.

0:30:55.840 --> 0:30:57.280
<v Speaker 1>Well that reps up the first half of the weekend

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<v Speaker 1>Masser and I'm Tim Stanovick. Coming up in our next hour,

0:31:03.080 --> 0:31:06.480
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<v Speaker 1>Stinovik on Bloomberg Radio. Hi am Carol Masser and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Tim Stanobeck plenty head in our second hour of the

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<v Speaker 1>weekend edition to Bloomberg Business Week, including the president of

0:31:47.320 --> 0:31:50.360
<v Speaker 1>the Client Solutions Group over at Deell Technologies, Tim on

0:31:50.440 --> 0:31:53.440
<v Speaker 1>whether we are continuing to use more PCs, laptops and

0:31:53.480 --> 0:31:55.960
<v Speaker 1>tablets as we increasingly moved to the other side of

0:31:55.960 --> 0:31:58.680
<v Speaker 1>the pandemic and some of us getting away from working

0:31:58.720 --> 0:32:00.959
<v Speaker 1>from home, some of us still staying there well, speaking

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<v Speaker 1>of what's going to happen in the future. We're also

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<v Speaker 1>going to speak with Jamie Metzel, technology futurist on a

0:32:05.440 --> 0:32:08.680
<v Speaker 1>new fund in town tracking the biology revolution plus the

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<v Speaker 1>Margaritaville lifestyle courtesy of Jimmy Buffett and cultivated and followed

0:32:12.880 --> 0:32:15.360
<v Speaker 1>by his disciples of parrot heads. You know who you are.

0:32:16.160 --> 0:32:22.120
<v Speaker 1>It's all now coming to New York's Times Square. So

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<v Speaker 1>to have a Margaritaville in Tom Square and having had

0:32:25.480 --> 0:32:28.040
<v Speaker 1>in the Broadway experience, this is kind of the icing

0:32:28.160 --> 0:32:30.120
<v Speaker 1>on the cake to take in New York today. The

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<v Speaker 1>first up this hour, though, this is a voice we've

0:32:34.120 --> 0:32:37.120
<v Speaker 1>checked in with several times throughout the pandemic. Yeah, we've

0:32:37.120 --> 0:32:39.880
<v Speaker 1>asked him about things such as everyone moving to Austin,

0:32:40.200 --> 0:32:42.840
<v Speaker 1>I T. Spending in the demand, or the death of

0:32:42.880 --> 0:32:45.760
<v Speaker 1>the PC. Well Sambird joined us again. He is president

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<v Speaker 1>of the Client Solutions Group of at Dell Technologies. He's

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<v Speaker 1>responsible for Dell's commercial and consumer client portfolio that includes notebooks, desktops, workstations, tablets,

0:32:54.200 --> 0:32:56.840
<v Speaker 1>and software. Basically, tim a lot of stuff. Yeah, well,

0:32:56.880 --> 0:32:59.400
<v Speaker 1>like we do right now. We began by asking how

0:32:59.440 --> 0:33:01.680
<v Speaker 1>he's doing and how things have changed since the last

0:33:01.720 --> 0:33:05.000
<v Speaker 1>time we spoke back in December. Yes, since since we talked,

0:33:05.080 --> 0:33:08.240
<v Speaker 1>we talked about some of the demand we saw in

0:33:08.280 --> 0:33:12.280
<v Speaker 1>the PC industry in the space that my business operates

0:33:12.320 --> 0:33:15.080
<v Speaker 1>for Dell, and you know, we we saw we closed

0:33:15.080 --> 0:33:18.400
<v Speaker 1>out the year as we thought with really strong demand Carol,

0:33:18.480 --> 0:33:22.040
<v Speaker 1>the industry had ship three d and two million units

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<v Speaker 1>last year, which was a record in the past six years.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you know, since that point in time, we've

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<v Speaker 1>seen really strong continued demand in my space. So just

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<v Speaker 1>ended our first quarter, had revenue growth in our business,

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<v Speaker 1>a record for Q one, and um continued strong profitability

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<v Speaker 1>in the business. What is it specifically? I love when

0:33:42.960 --> 0:33:44.880
<v Speaker 1>we can drill down with someone like you, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>is it notebooks, as it desktops, as at workstations? Is

0:33:47.800 --> 0:33:49.800
<v Speaker 1>it peace? Like you and I have talked about the

0:33:49.840 --> 0:33:52.720
<v Speaker 1>death of the PC for a long time. UM, what

0:33:52.920 --> 0:33:55.920
<v Speaker 1>is it dough that really kind of ramped up? Yeah,

0:33:55.960 --> 0:33:58.440
<v Speaker 1>well we saw and you know, last time we talked

0:33:58.480 --> 0:34:00.480
<v Speaker 1>a little bit about we we joked out the death

0:34:00.480 --> 0:34:02.760
<v Speaker 1>of the PC, and then seeing the PC really become

0:34:02.800 --> 0:34:06.920
<v Speaker 1>an important tool for people in the in the past year,

0:34:07.160 --> 0:34:10.600
<v Speaker 1>critical whether you were doing work from home, learning from home,

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<v Speaker 1>just trying to you know, get a kind of escape

0:34:13.560 --> 0:34:16.719
<v Speaker 1>valve and entertain yourself at all. Now comes to us

0:34:16.800 --> 0:34:19.759
<v Speaker 1>in our home on our PC. So it's a really

0:34:19.840 --> 0:34:22.720
<v Speaker 1>important tool for people to have. It's a great friend,

0:34:22.800 --> 0:34:25.440
<v Speaker 1>it's a great asset, and we we've seen growth, Carol,

0:34:25.560 --> 0:34:28.920
<v Speaker 1>in all different spaces. So we continue to see demand

0:34:28.920 --> 0:34:31.960
<v Speaker 1>in the consumer space as people move to more of

0:34:32.040 --> 0:34:35.040
<v Speaker 1>a one to one kind of computing model of I

0:34:35.400 --> 0:34:37.400
<v Speaker 1>need when I'm at home, I need my PC to

0:34:37.480 --> 0:34:40.439
<v Speaker 1>be able to do my stuff on my PC. We're

0:34:40.440 --> 0:34:44.319
<v Speaker 1>seeing the commercial space grow, We're seeing notebooks grow, and

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<v Speaker 1>then interestingly, in the last quarter or so, I've seen

0:34:48.080 --> 0:34:52.080
<v Speaker 1>I would say we have seen a resurgence in in

0:34:52.320 --> 0:34:56.879
<v Speaker 1>demand around desktops. We've still seen a market that has

0:34:56.920 --> 0:35:00.680
<v Speaker 1>shifted more to people wanting notebooks and mobile computing, but

0:35:01.480 --> 0:35:03.880
<v Speaker 1>desktops that were shrinking a lot last year and mobile

0:35:04.080 --> 0:35:06.960
<v Speaker 1>was hyper growing, we're now seeing growth in the desktop

0:35:07.000 --> 0:35:09.279
<v Speaker 1>space as well. So desktop I'm assuming you mean like

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<v Speaker 1>in the business commercial space, correct, you know, we see

0:35:12.400 --> 0:35:14.600
<v Speaker 1>it in the business commercial space. We see also see

0:35:14.600 --> 0:35:16.399
<v Speaker 1>it at home, like people will use it at home

0:35:16.480 --> 0:35:19.680
<v Speaker 1>for for gaming or for maybe it's just a great

0:35:19.719 --> 0:35:21.840
<v Speaker 1>system that I keep in one place, an archive a

0:35:21.880 --> 0:35:24.120
<v Speaker 1>lot of my data on Yeah, listen, I always thought

0:35:24.440 --> 0:35:26.200
<v Speaker 1>I remember growing up and I think getting like the

0:35:26.239 --> 0:35:28.880
<v Speaker 1>first calculator. It's like that was a calculator for the family,

0:35:29.719 --> 0:35:31.680
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. And it's just we've really

0:35:31.719 --> 0:35:35.040
<v Speaker 1>evolved to everybody has their phone, everybody has a laptop,

0:35:35.120 --> 0:35:38.399
<v Speaker 1>everybody or might also have a desktop. I mean, there

0:35:38.440 --> 0:35:39.960
<v Speaker 1>really is this this whole idea of this one to

0:35:40.040 --> 0:35:43.719
<v Speaker 1>one commuting model, computing model. Excuse me, you really do

0:35:43.840 --> 0:35:48.520
<v Speaker 1>see it evolving, especially after year like this past year. Oh,

0:35:48.560 --> 0:35:51.799
<v Speaker 1>I think that's exactly right, Carol. We we joke and

0:35:51.880 --> 0:35:55.080
<v Speaker 1>call it to you know, do anything from from anywhere

0:35:55.160 --> 0:35:58.719
<v Speaker 1>world and the reality is to make that happen, and

0:35:58.840 --> 0:36:01.400
<v Speaker 1>you can do that today and people are doing that today,

0:36:01.800 --> 0:36:04.320
<v Speaker 1>they will do that in the future. Technology plays a

0:36:04.400 --> 0:36:06.600
<v Speaker 1>huge part in that and whether it's a you know,

0:36:06.719 --> 0:36:09.640
<v Speaker 1>a home and a one to one environment or think

0:36:09.640 --> 0:36:12.200
<v Speaker 1>about you know, businesses, and it used to be technology

0:36:12.200 --> 0:36:14.880
<v Speaker 1>and PCs were like the domain of the I. T. Department.

0:36:15.320 --> 0:36:18.000
<v Speaker 1>It's now everywhere in the company. It's you know, the

0:36:18.040 --> 0:36:20.640
<v Speaker 1>technology you're putting in someone's hands. It matters when they

0:36:20.680 --> 0:36:24.200
<v Speaker 1>decide to take the job. Line of business. Leaders in

0:36:24.239 --> 0:36:27.360
<v Speaker 1>a company care about that technology because it helps their

0:36:27.400 --> 0:36:30.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, their team be more productive, more innovative. Do

0:36:30.520 --> 0:36:33.279
<v Speaker 1>great things for their customers. So it really is that

0:36:33.360 --> 0:36:36.080
<v Speaker 1>kind of world you described. It's it's you know, changed

0:36:36.120 --> 0:36:39.200
<v Speaker 1>from the one for a lot of people to everyone

0:36:39.239 --> 0:36:41.319
<v Speaker 1>needs their own and it needs to be a really

0:36:42.520 --> 0:36:45.160
<v Speaker 1>great tool. I hear a lot of optimism. What about

0:36:45.200 --> 0:36:47.799
<v Speaker 1>the supply chain and being able to get the components,

0:36:47.920 --> 0:36:50.719
<v Speaker 1>chips and the like that you need to kind of

0:36:50.800 --> 0:36:53.880
<v Speaker 1>keep this momentum going. You know, we you know, we

0:36:54.080 --> 0:36:58.840
<v Speaker 1>definitely are working around getting those parts. We have a

0:36:58.840 --> 0:37:01.440
<v Speaker 1>world class supply chain. But when you look at the

0:37:01.520 --> 0:37:04.920
<v Speaker 1>way the global economy has improved, Carol, and there's a

0:37:05.960 --> 0:37:10.040
<v Speaker 1>there's a greater demand for everything, including PCs with the

0:37:10.080 --> 0:37:12.239
<v Speaker 1>growth we expect this year, there's a shortage out there

0:37:12.239 --> 0:37:15.919
<v Speaker 1>of semiconductors. So we are operating in that environment. We've

0:37:15.960 --> 0:37:18.760
<v Speaker 1>operated with some shortages in our industry for the past

0:37:18.800 --> 0:37:22.000
<v Speaker 1>three years and been successful, and we think we have

0:37:22.120 --> 0:37:25.279
<v Speaker 1>a team and a forecast in an approach that will

0:37:25.280 --> 0:37:27.279
<v Speaker 1>get us, uh, you know, the parts that we need.

0:37:27.360 --> 0:37:30.520
<v Speaker 1>We're definitely in a challenged supply world. That was Sanbury,

0:37:30.600 --> 0:37:33.560
<v Speaker 1>president of the Client Solutions Group at Dell Technologies, coming

0:37:33.560 --> 0:37:36.719
<v Speaker 1>out how a MC became the people's stock by not

0:37:36.840 --> 0:37:48.000
<v Speaker 1>being a Game Stop remake. This is Bloomberg. This is

0:37:48.040 --> 0:37:51.960
<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg Business Week with Carol Messer and Bloomberg Quick Takes

0:37:52.000 --> 0:37:56.759
<v Speaker 1>Tim Stintovan from Bloomberg Radio. The day doesn't seem to

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<v Speaker 1>go by without us talking a little bit about the

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<v Speaker 1>meme stock of the from Hurts to Game Stop to

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<v Speaker 1>AMC and even most recently Wendy's I was just gonna

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<v Speaker 1>say it continues on. One story reported for Business Week

0:38:08.840 --> 0:38:11.239
<v Speaker 1>is about how AMC became the people stock by not

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<v Speaker 1>being a Game Stop remake. Filling us in is Bloomberg

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<v Speaker 1>News High Yield, Distressed Debt and Bankruptcy reporter Cat Doherty

0:38:17.920 --> 0:38:21.600
<v Speaker 1>and Business Week editor Jill Weber. When we were thinking about, um,

0:38:21.640 --> 0:38:24.480
<v Speaker 1>what an interesting take on it would be? Um, Kat

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<v Speaker 1>and her co author Brandon cod And kind of hit

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<v Speaker 1>on something that I thought was particularly interesting, which is, actually,

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<v Speaker 1>it's almost like AMC learned from Game Stop in real

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<v Speaker 1>time from earlier this year and was able to sort

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<v Speaker 1>of have a slightly different response that might make a

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<v Speaker 1>world of difference for them. Uh So Cat talk to

0:38:42.960 --> 0:38:46.520
<v Speaker 1>us about that, what's different about this meme stock than uh,

0:38:46.640 --> 0:38:48.959
<v Speaker 1>you know, the mania that we saw earlier this year.

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<v Speaker 1>So There's two main differences that we point out in

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<v Speaker 1>our piece. The first is the company a MC leaning

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<v Speaker 1>into UH the enthusiasm from all of its investors and

0:39:00.920 --> 0:39:05.879
<v Speaker 1>from the Reddit crowd that is out there um and

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<v Speaker 1>making trends on Twitter and hashtags AMC Army. They're communicating

0:39:12.680 --> 0:39:16.879
<v Speaker 1>directly with those people, and they're offering perks like free

0:39:16.960 --> 0:39:19.480
<v Speaker 1>large popcorns in a movie when you sign up and

0:39:19.560 --> 0:39:22.840
<v Speaker 1>you are an investor with a MC. We saw the

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<v Speaker 1>exact opposite with Game Stop when it's shares were surging

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<v Speaker 1>and it was trending online and on social media. Management

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<v Speaker 1>didn't acknowledge or communicate with that crowd in the same way. Now,

0:39:37.719 --> 0:39:41.160
<v Speaker 1>what AMC has done is it's taken that enthusiasm and

0:39:41.200 --> 0:39:44.680
<v Speaker 1>it's issued new shares this week and every time that

0:39:44.719 --> 0:39:48.120
<v Speaker 1>it's doing that, sure it's deluding the existing shareholders, but

0:39:48.239 --> 0:39:52.120
<v Speaker 1>for everyone involved, for all shareholders UM and debt holders,

0:39:52.160 --> 0:39:54.839
<v Speaker 1>that means more cash on the balance sheet. And this

0:39:54.880 --> 0:39:58.360
<v Speaker 1>is a company that has deferred rent payments coming to

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<v Speaker 1>They do have very high coupon payments on their debt,

0:40:02.400 --> 0:40:06.000
<v Speaker 1>so when the interest payments are coming, they need cash

0:40:06.040 --> 0:40:08.520
<v Speaker 1>to pay that. And so every time that they have

0:40:08.719 --> 0:40:14.239
<v Speaker 1>announced these equity sales or issuing new shares that is

0:40:14.320 --> 0:40:18.080
<v Speaker 1>just more cash that the company can use and and

0:40:18.280 --> 0:40:21.840
<v Speaker 1>prosper into the future. Yeah, and you know it's interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, I can't imagine like a company going

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<v Speaker 1>to a big institutional inns investor, pension ventsy ever going

0:40:27.400 --> 0:40:29.400
<v Speaker 1>through some popcorn your way or something like. It just

0:40:29.440 --> 0:40:33.040
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't work. But it's different this kind of retail investor

0:40:33.120 --> 0:40:37.240
<v Speaker 1>militia um cat that's out there, and it is interesting

0:40:37.280 --> 0:40:42.440
<v Speaker 1>to see the CEO kind of playing to them directly exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm we in our story referenced this TikTok video UM

0:40:46.880 --> 0:40:51.120
<v Speaker 1>that I think captures this sentiment perfectly. It's a young

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<v Speaker 1>millennial that walks into an AMC and the cashiers asked

0:40:55.280 --> 0:40:57.480
<v Speaker 1>him does he need anything, and he says no, I'm

0:40:57.480 --> 0:41:00.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm okay, I'm just checking on the feeders. And the

0:41:00.239 --> 0:41:03.399
<v Speaker 1>cashier looks back and he says, well, would you work here?

0:41:03.719 --> 0:41:06.080
<v Speaker 1>And his answer is no, but I'm a part owner

0:41:06.280 --> 0:41:08.399
<v Speaker 1>or I'm I'm one of I'm the money, he says.

0:41:08.800 --> 0:41:12.720
<v Speaker 1>And I think that that sentiment is it's hilarious, um

0:41:12.840 --> 0:41:16.560
<v Speaker 1>and in in an entertaining way. It really depicts what's

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<v Speaker 1>going on here. You have these investors and a lot

0:41:19.200 --> 0:41:23.240
<v Speaker 1>of them they're popping on threads and they're talking about

0:41:23.600 --> 0:41:27.080
<v Speaker 1>experiences at AMC or wanting to save AMC. There's some

0:41:27.160 --> 0:41:30.839
<v Speaker 1>personal connection UM that we're seeing here. And you saw

0:41:30.880 --> 0:41:34.799
<v Speaker 1>that too with a company like Hurts, when people were

0:41:35.200 --> 0:41:38.200
<v Speaker 1>jumping into that name and they recognized the branch, they

0:41:38.239 --> 0:41:40.400
<v Speaker 1>recognized the name. Some of these meme stocks they have

0:41:40.520 --> 0:41:43.799
<v Speaker 1>that similarity, that similar thread running through where there are

0:41:43.800 --> 0:41:47.000
<v Speaker 1>people that have engaged with these companies. You know, gel

0:41:47.040 --> 0:41:50.239
<v Speaker 1>are in a different world here. Well, what I love

0:41:50.280 --> 0:41:54.600
<v Speaker 1>about it is like it kind of can inspire those

0:41:54.640 --> 0:41:57.600
<v Speaker 1>of those who maybe don't own a MC, Like I'm

0:41:57.640 --> 0:41:59.920
<v Speaker 1>just gonna look through my portfolio this weekend and decide

0:42:00.160 --> 0:42:01.840
<v Speaker 1>what am I part owner of that I'm going to

0:42:01.960 --> 0:42:03.799
<v Speaker 1>go kind of like show up and sail a part

0:42:03.840 --> 0:42:08.200
<v Speaker 1>owner of UM. But but you know, in serious like,

0:42:08.280 --> 0:42:11.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm drawn to this idea that there is a

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<v Speaker 1>change and even what it means to be a CEO.

0:42:13.880 --> 0:42:16.319
<v Speaker 1>Because of this and that you know, you we could

0:42:16.360 --> 0:42:21.080
<v Speaker 1>potentially see you know, executives interacting with with investors, small

0:42:21.080 --> 0:42:24.200
<v Speaker 1>time investors in a in a completely different way going forward,

0:42:24.840 --> 0:42:27.680
<v Speaker 1>Do you feel like there's is this um sort of

0:42:27.680 --> 0:42:29.000
<v Speaker 1>a canary in the coal mine. Are we going to

0:42:29.080 --> 0:42:33.080
<v Speaker 1>see more stuff like this going forward? It's a great

0:42:33.160 --> 0:42:37.440
<v Speaker 1>question and something that we're definitely tracking because we haven't

0:42:37.440 --> 0:42:40.560
<v Speaker 1>had any moment in time to compare it to. This

0:42:40.640 --> 0:42:44.879
<v Speaker 1>is such a unique um these unique circumstances that are

0:42:44.880 --> 0:42:48.440
<v Speaker 1>popping up because of everything that's come before. So you

0:42:48.520 --> 0:42:52.160
<v Speaker 1>have the pandemic, people at home, people engaging on social media.

0:42:52.760 --> 0:42:55.879
<v Speaker 1>I think social media, that social media was there even beforehand,

0:42:55.920 --> 0:42:58.719
<v Speaker 1>but this is like an extreme. This is kind of

0:42:58.719 --> 0:43:02.880
<v Speaker 1>the next level. And I think that we're we're gonna

0:43:03.160 --> 0:43:08.160
<v Speaker 1>see if a free popcorn or these incentives, if there

0:43:08.200 --> 0:43:10.440
<v Speaker 1>are other companies that might offer I don't know, a

0:43:10.440 --> 0:43:14.360
<v Speaker 1>free T shirt or um, a visit to a location,

0:43:14.640 --> 0:43:18.800
<v Speaker 1>if it's a retailer, or or an experience. UM. I

0:43:19.160 --> 0:43:22.560
<v Speaker 1>it's it's definitely an interesting trend. That's trend that's becoming

0:43:22.560 --> 0:43:26.040
<v Speaker 1>more and more popular. I gotta say in the normal times,

0:43:26.760 --> 0:43:30.840
<v Speaker 1>I frequent a c not not infrequently, like, and I

0:43:30.880 --> 0:43:33.080
<v Speaker 1>have to also see that, like it's just not that

0:43:33.120 --> 0:43:36.160
<v Speaker 1>good of an experience. The popcorn is not that good.

0:43:36.520 --> 0:43:39.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't see myself wearing an AMC shirt. But you know,

0:43:39.480 --> 0:43:44.800
<v Speaker 1>like especially when you compare it to like the Alamo

0:43:45.000 --> 0:43:46.560
<v Speaker 1>that I go to in Brooklyn, it's just like a

0:43:46.600 --> 0:43:49.640
<v Speaker 1>completely different experience. So like I get all of it,

0:43:49.680 --> 0:43:51.759
<v Speaker 1>and I think it also just does speak to like

0:43:51.840 --> 0:43:55.480
<v Speaker 1>the moment of people being so cooped up for for

0:43:55.520 --> 0:43:58.080
<v Speaker 1>a year that even AMC starts to sound good, right, Carol,

0:43:58.080 --> 0:44:00.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, like, Chryl, are you going to AMC this week?

0:44:00.440 --> 0:44:05.759
<v Speaker 1>That's a no cat? Are you going? I well, it's look,

0:44:05.920 --> 0:44:07.800
<v Speaker 1>if I'm trying to listen, you might have some reporting

0:44:07.880 --> 0:44:12.040
<v Speaker 1>to call. The coin is though, this story isn't over,

0:44:12.200 --> 0:44:14.760
<v Speaker 1>And like that's the thing, as we watched the gyrations

0:44:15.000 --> 0:44:17.920
<v Speaker 1>on a sometimes hourly basis in this stock cat, we

0:44:17.960 --> 0:44:20.120
<v Speaker 1>have to remember that this story isn't over yet. Just quickly,

0:44:20.360 --> 0:44:24.280
<v Speaker 1>it definitely is not. And I was I have woke

0:44:24.480 --> 0:44:29.080
<v Speaker 1>up every single morning, um, and I know when there's

0:44:29.160 --> 0:44:31.719
<v Speaker 1>some sort of when there's an active story going on,

0:44:31.840 --> 0:44:34.120
<v Speaker 1>I can judge it by my inbox and because of

0:44:34.160 --> 0:44:37.080
<v Speaker 1>a m C I have just I know every single

0:44:37.120 --> 0:44:39.200
<v Speaker 1>time my alarm goes off, Well, here we go again,

0:44:39.360 --> 0:44:43.440
<v Speaker 1>and it's it seems like the same story, but it's not.

0:44:43.480 --> 0:44:46.640
<v Speaker 1>It's just the development. That's Bloomberg's Cat Doherty and Business

0:44:46.680 --> 0:44:49.600
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<v Speaker 1>Founder and chair of the Global Movement One Shared World.

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta say, is a bio and background is just killer. Yeah.

0:45:40.400 --> 0:45:43.320
<v Speaker 1>Quite the resume for Jamie Matze. Also a special strategies

0:45:43.360 --> 0:45:46.680
<v Speaker 1>for wisdom Tree leverage data from Metzel and its construction

0:45:46.719 --> 0:45:49.640
<v Speaker 1>of the Wisdom Tree bio Revolution Index and the Wisdom

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<v Speaker 1>Tree Bio Revolution Fund and et F targeting companies expected

0:45:53.560 --> 0:45:56.879
<v Speaker 1>to be impacted by advancements in genetics and biotechnology. Listen,

0:45:56.920 --> 0:45:59.040
<v Speaker 1>it's a strategy, tim that we've seen with Kathy wood

0:45:59.040 --> 0:46:01.359
<v Speaker 1>over at Ark invest This has been one of her

0:46:01.480 --> 0:46:04.480
<v Speaker 1>verticals of looking at what's going on in the mapping

0:46:04.480 --> 0:46:06.920
<v Speaker 1>of the genome and the impact it's really having on

0:46:07.040 --> 0:46:10.479
<v Speaker 1>biotechnology and science at large. Yeah, and incredibly hot space

0:46:10.560 --> 0:46:13.000
<v Speaker 1>right now. Jamie joined us with more along with Jeremy Schwartz,

0:46:13.080 --> 0:46:16.000
<v Speaker 1>global head of Research at Wisdom Trade. The big issue

0:46:16.120 --> 0:46:19.440
<v Speaker 1>is that we are we humanity are at the earliest

0:46:19.520 --> 0:46:24.000
<v Speaker 1>stages of a revolution that is already changing the way

0:46:24.040 --> 0:46:26.880
<v Speaker 1>we do and think about healthcare. But this is like

0:46:27.239 --> 0:46:30.400
<v Speaker 1>the equivalent of the early days of industrialization or the

0:46:30.440 --> 0:46:35.400
<v Speaker 1>early days of the Internet revolution, where the incredibly powerful

0:46:35.440 --> 0:46:39.439
<v Speaker 1>tools of the genetics and biotechnology revolutions aren't just going

0:46:39.480 --> 0:46:45.480
<v Speaker 1>to transform healthcare, but these same capabilities will over time

0:46:45.800 --> 0:46:52.600
<v Speaker 1>fundamentally transform a lot of other fields, including agriculture, material energy,

0:46:53.600 --> 0:46:56.640
<v Speaker 1>data storage. And so I've always thought that this was

0:46:56.719 --> 0:47:02.120
<v Speaker 1>just an incredible investment opportunity, and then last year Um,

0:47:02.160 --> 0:47:06.040
<v Speaker 1>I somebody reached out to me and it was Jeremy

0:47:06.040 --> 0:47:07.640
<v Speaker 1>Short Jerry, what was it about it that was so

0:47:07.680 --> 0:47:10.200
<v Speaker 1>appealing to you guys? Well, you know, we've been doing

0:47:10.239 --> 0:47:12.920
<v Speaker 1>a lot of investment around these big trends or we're

0:47:12.920 --> 0:47:16.799
<v Speaker 1>calling mega trends and growth opportunities. And I read Jamie's book.

0:47:16.800 --> 0:47:19.759
<v Speaker 1>Actually one of my friends had highlighted as something that

0:47:19.800 --> 0:47:21.680
<v Speaker 1>he was doing some investing around. I read the book

0:47:21.800 --> 0:47:24.760
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, Wow, these are these are really

0:47:24.840 --> 0:47:28.520
<v Speaker 1>big picture trends that's changing our lives. Um. And then

0:47:28.560 --> 0:47:30.560
<v Speaker 1>I started thinking about how do we identify these companies

0:47:30.560 --> 0:47:33.120
<v Speaker 1>on an ongoing basis? And I just reached out to

0:47:33.200 --> 0:47:35.600
<v Speaker 1>Jamie and said, let's start the conversation. Are you interested

0:47:35.600 --> 0:47:38.919
<v Speaker 1>in collaborating on something like this. We've been working with deep,

0:47:39.000 --> 0:47:42.200
<v Speaker 1>thoughtful partners in this collab reform. You need to really

0:47:42.239 --> 0:47:45.320
<v Speaker 1>know the space and know the cutting edge technologies. H

0:47:45.400 --> 0:47:48.680
<v Speaker 1>and I view Jamie as this biology guru who really

0:47:48.680 --> 0:47:51.400
<v Speaker 1>could help us guide the big picture. What are the

0:47:51.400 --> 0:47:54.080
<v Speaker 1>important technologies, what are the important companies? And getting some

0:47:54.200 --> 0:47:58.200
<v Speaker 1>collaboration from Jamie on identifying these technologies and companies H

0:47:58.320 --> 0:48:01.040
<v Speaker 1>has has has been a really great so what's the

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<v Speaker 1>data specifically behind the index that ultimately led to the

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<v Speaker 1>e t f UM Jamie, what was what was it

0:48:07.160 --> 0:48:09.840
<v Speaker 1>the data that was specifically used because I think you know,

0:48:09.840 --> 0:48:12.800
<v Speaker 1>when you're talking about things that can impact agg materials,

0:48:12.840 --> 0:48:14.760
<v Speaker 1>data storage, I mean, there's a lot there to unpack,

0:48:15.640 --> 0:48:17.800
<v Speaker 1>but there's a lot there. But what we were looking

0:48:17.840 --> 0:48:21.759
<v Speaker 1>at is parts of all of these different sectors where

0:48:21.800 --> 0:48:26.479
<v Speaker 1>these revolutionary tools of the genetics and biotech revolutions we're

0:48:26.520 --> 0:48:31.160
<v Speaker 1>going to empower new business models, new ways of doing things.

0:48:31.160 --> 0:48:34.319
<v Speaker 1>And one great example of this that's very intimate for

0:48:34.719 --> 0:48:37.799
<v Speaker 1>many of us are these m RNA vaccines. And so

0:48:38.360 --> 0:48:41.320
<v Speaker 1>you and I, Carol, have talked about this the miracle

0:48:41.520 --> 0:48:44.600
<v Speaker 1>of these mr and A vaccines. They're very different from

0:48:44.760 --> 0:48:47.880
<v Speaker 1>the polio vaccine, for example, which was a dead or

0:48:47.960 --> 0:48:51.960
<v Speaker 1>attenuated version of the polio virus. What the mRNA vaccine

0:48:52.000 --> 0:48:57.480
<v Speaker 1>is we are basically injecting new instructions to ourselves to

0:48:57.560 --> 0:49:02.080
<v Speaker 1>produce something that otherwise are these can't produce, which is

0:49:02.120 --> 0:49:05.000
<v Speaker 1>this this spike protein uh, and then we have a

0:49:05.080 --> 0:49:09.520
<v Speaker 1>natural immunological response. But that ability um to kind of

0:49:09.640 --> 0:49:13.600
<v Speaker 1>manipulate in many ways the code of life. It's the

0:49:13.680 --> 0:49:16.560
<v Speaker 1>m R and A vaccines aren't just about vaccines. This

0:49:16.640 --> 0:49:19.960
<v Speaker 1>technology is a platform for thinking differently about how we

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<v Speaker 1>treat all sorts of diseases um going future, including lots

0:49:25.480 --> 0:49:29.160
<v Speaker 1>of cancers and possibly even all Teimer's. But the m

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<v Speaker 1>R and A technology also has huge implications for how

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<v Speaker 1>we think about growing crops and disrupting the way we

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<v Speaker 1>think about fertilizer. And I have to say it reminds

0:49:40.160 --> 0:49:42.279
<v Speaker 1>me a lot. I've been talking with Kathy wood over

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<v Speaker 1>at our Investments for seven years, and she kicked off

0:49:45.800 --> 0:49:49.880
<v Speaker 1>her company and she taps completely into the innovative space.

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<v Speaker 1>She in particular has a fun that's just focusing on

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<v Speaker 1>the genomic revolution, which was up percent last year. About

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<v Speaker 1>before that, it's kind of writing a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>water in terms of performance UM this year. You're fun

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<v Speaker 1>though the biotech and pharmaceutical exposure really is the bulk

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<v Speaker 1>of the investments at this point. Are you concerned at

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<v Speaker 1>all though that the run you know has kind of

0:50:14.760 --> 0:50:17.520
<v Speaker 1>already happened. What makes you confident that it has the

0:50:17.600 --> 0:50:20.759
<v Speaker 1>legs to keep going because your exposure, even though it

0:50:20.800 --> 0:50:24.600
<v Speaker 1>applies to a lot of the world, is still really concentrated.

0:50:24.719 --> 0:50:28.239
<v Speaker 1>In particular in that biotech um space. There is a

0:50:28.280 --> 0:50:31.319
<v Speaker 1>lot of excitement in this in this space, but we

0:50:31.400 --> 0:50:35.759
<v Speaker 1>are at the very earliest stages of this, as I

0:50:35.800 --> 0:50:40.000
<v Speaker 1>was saying before, of this transformative revolution. That's Jeremy Schwartz,

0:50:40.040 --> 0:50:43.000
<v Speaker 1>Global head of Research at Wisdom Tree and Jamie Metzel,

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<v Speaker 1>Senior Fellow at Atlantic Council. You're listening to Bloomberg Business

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<v Speaker 1>New York State of Mind, Jimmy Buffett's latest empire expansion

0:50:53.280 --> 0:50:55.440
<v Speaker 1>and state of mind right here in New York City.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Bloomberg. You're listening to Bloomberg Business Week with

0:51:06.960 --> 0:51:21.200
<v Speaker 1>Carol Messer and Bloomberg Quick Takes Tim Stinovik from Bloomberg Radio.

0:51:22.920 --> 0:51:25.680
<v Speaker 1>Sugar so well with the most of cover story this

0:51:25.719 --> 0:51:28.360
<v Speaker 1>week of Bloomberg Business Week. It is all about Jimmy

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<v Speaker 1>Buffett and Margharitaville and Margarita Ville Enterprises. It is now

0:51:32.239 --> 0:51:34.760
<v Speaker 1>in New York City. It's at the corner of Seventh

0:51:34.800 --> 0:51:38.520
<v Speaker 1>and St. And we're delighted to have with us right

0:51:38.560 --> 0:51:42.280
<v Speaker 1>now Jimmy Buffett and his company's CEO. He is John Cohen.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, New York City because you guys are

0:51:44.840 --> 0:51:48.319
<v Speaker 1>around the country. You're also in the Bahamas, you're in

0:51:48.360 --> 0:51:51.439
<v Speaker 1>Costa Rica. Why New York City? And why now? Well,

0:51:51.480 --> 0:51:59.959
<v Speaker 1>it's an island. Well that's true, that's why New York.

0:52:00.080 --> 0:52:02.480
<v Speaker 1>So after all these years of doing this, why New

0:52:02.520 --> 0:52:05.360
<v Speaker 1>York now? Well, why New York Now? I guess we

0:52:05.440 --> 0:52:08.600
<v Speaker 1>all were. There's a little bit of history involved with

0:52:08.680 --> 0:52:13.200
<v Speaker 1>that fact of as a performer. Uh. It always was

0:52:13.680 --> 0:52:16.480
<v Speaker 1>said to me that you had to you had to

0:52:16.520 --> 0:52:19.560
<v Speaker 1>take New York no matter how popular were elsewhere in

0:52:19.560 --> 0:52:22.520
<v Speaker 1>the country. And that was something that was difficult to do,

0:52:22.840 --> 0:52:24.640
<v Speaker 1>but I took it as a challenge. But once you're

0:52:24.640 --> 0:52:27.200
<v Speaker 1>here and you connect up, it's one of the most

0:52:27.200 --> 0:52:30.920
<v Speaker 1>delightful places to be. And uh, I've had a summer

0:52:30.960 --> 0:52:32.719
<v Speaker 1>home out on Long Island for a long time, and

0:52:32.719 --> 0:52:35.200
<v Speaker 1>I was always coming into the city and got involved

0:52:35.239 --> 0:52:38.759
<v Speaker 1>in musicals and so um, you know, and let's say

0:52:38.800 --> 0:52:42.440
<v Speaker 1>I frequented a few bars on this island. And uh,

0:52:42.840 --> 0:52:46.240
<v Speaker 1>I thought, when this all came together, you never really

0:52:46.280 --> 0:52:49.360
<v Speaker 1>know how it all happens. But we've had enough magic

0:52:50.080 --> 0:52:53.919
<v Speaker 1>in turning this five minute tune into a brand that

0:52:54.040 --> 0:52:56.400
<v Speaker 1>we just kind of we kind of followed the universe

0:52:56.440 --> 0:52:58.960
<v Speaker 1>on where it takes us. And that's my take on

0:52:59.040 --> 0:53:01.720
<v Speaker 1>and I'm sure John's got another one, John speaking about

0:53:01.800 --> 0:53:03.920
<v Speaker 1>speaking of that magic, how do you get this across

0:53:03.920 --> 0:53:06.600
<v Speaker 1>the finish line, especially in the midst of a pandemic. Well,

0:53:06.640 --> 0:53:09.399
<v Speaker 1>it takes as Jimmy, as Jimmy always says, it takes

0:53:09.440 --> 0:53:11.560
<v Speaker 1>a lot of a lot of people to help you.

0:53:11.680 --> 0:53:14.200
<v Speaker 1>And we had great partners, including the City of New York.

0:53:14.719 --> 0:53:16.960
<v Speaker 1>But you know, I would say, well New York obviously

0:53:17.440 --> 0:53:22.000
<v Speaker 1>as an enormous number of visitors. There's really no resort

0:53:22.040 --> 0:53:25.279
<v Speaker 1>in New York. So this gives people an opportunity to

0:53:25.400 --> 0:53:30.759
<v Speaker 1>visit and go on vacation in Times Square. We'll talk

0:53:30.800 --> 0:53:32.600
<v Speaker 1>to us about if we go and visit, because there's

0:53:32.640 --> 0:53:35.720
<v Speaker 1>a lot of moving parts. There's bars, there's the resort,

0:53:35.840 --> 0:53:38.360
<v Speaker 1>there's the hotel, of course, So give us an idea

0:53:38.440 --> 0:53:40.440
<v Speaker 1>of kind of if somebody visits, what are we going

0:53:40.480 --> 0:53:44.439
<v Speaker 1>to see. Well, you're gonna first, first of all, you're

0:53:44.440 --> 0:53:47.799
<v Speaker 1>gonna have fun. You're gonna walk in from one of

0:53:47.800 --> 0:53:51.520
<v Speaker 1>the more frenetic towns in the world too, is Jimmy

0:53:51.560 --> 0:53:54.960
<v Speaker 1>said earlier in Oasis, And you're gonna take a deep

0:53:54.960 --> 0:53:58.920
<v Speaker 1>breath and you have a drink, and you'll be able

0:53:58.920 --> 0:54:01.200
<v Speaker 1>to see the Statue of Liberal without getting on a ferry,

0:54:02.520 --> 0:54:09.200
<v Speaker 1>and a fabulous show designed by Jimmy to his music. Uh.

0:54:09.360 --> 0:54:11.880
<v Speaker 1>Then you'll come upstairs and you'll have the choice of

0:54:13.239 --> 0:54:19.040
<v Speaker 1>eight other bars, fantastic views. You'll feel a little bit

0:54:19.120 --> 0:54:22.800
<v Speaker 1>like you're on a on a cruise ship in your room,

0:54:22.840 --> 0:54:25.200
<v Speaker 1>and then you get to go out to check out

0:54:25.239 --> 0:54:28.840
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of other bars and a lot of wonderful

0:54:28.840 --> 0:54:33.560
<v Speaker 1>food retail opportunities. And I would say it's a real

0:54:33.640 --> 0:54:37.759
<v Speaker 1>combination of entertainment and hospitality. Well, I do think that

0:54:37.840 --> 0:54:40.480
<v Speaker 1>a lot of us could use a deep breath and

0:54:40.680 --> 0:54:43.040
<v Speaker 1>a drink right now in a vacation as we do

0:54:43.200 --> 0:54:47.320
<v Speaker 1>hopefully soon get to the other side of this pandemic. Jimmy,

0:54:47.360 --> 0:54:51.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm, I'm wondering about what you did during the pandemic,

0:54:51.239 --> 0:54:53.719
<v Speaker 1>how you got through it, and what you did from

0:54:53.719 --> 0:54:56.360
<v Speaker 1>a creative perspective. Well, it was you know, if you

0:54:56.440 --> 0:54:58.160
<v Speaker 1>if you look at the way I looked at it,

0:54:59.360 --> 0:55:04.040
<v Speaker 1>and world history, nobody has ever stopped fund complete and

0:55:04.239 --> 0:55:07.560
<v Speaker 1>uh that that basically happened now and I think that's

0:55:08.040 --> 0:55:12.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's entertainment and its creativity. That is that

0:55:12.880 --> 0:55:15.680
<v Speaker 1>then layer that keeps us from going back to being

0:55:15.719 --> 0:55:19.080
<v Speaker 1>as tribal as as as some people are these days.

0:55:19.600 --> 0:55:23.239
<v Speaker 1>And it and and funest part of life. And I

0:55:23.320 --> 0:55:25.480
<v Speaker 1>was brought up that way and raised that way down

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<v Speaker 1>on the on the Gulf coast and the and the

0:55:27.960 --> 0:55:31.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, and the remnants of the French Empire in

0:55:31.680 --> 0:55:35.920
<v Speaker 1>Louisiana and La bonton Roulet was something my grandmother and

0:55:35.960 --> 0:55:39.240
<v Speaker 1>grandfather taught to their children and I talked to mind.

0:55:39.320 --> 0:55:41.880
<v Speaker 1>So fun has always been there, and the thing of

0:55:41.920 --> 0:55:46.000
<v Speaker 1>it is, uh. The other little known secret is the

0:55:46.040 --> 0:55:50.440
<v Speaker 1>Tri State areas has been an incredible uh place for

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<v Speaker 1>our you know, die hard long term fans uh. And

0:55:55.600 --> 0:55:58.719
<v Speaker 1>I've I've been playing here for forty years. I mean,

0:55:59.080 --> 0:56:02.520
<v Speaker 1>Jones Beaches like playing Florida to me, you know, as

0:56:02.560 --> 0:56:04.520
<v Speaker 1>far as friends. So there are a lot of parrot

0:56:04.520 --> 0:56:07.320
<v Speaker 1>heads in the Tri State area. So of course tourism

0:56:07.440 --> 0:56:09.520
<v Speaker 1>is one thing that New York said, hopefully we'll come

0:56:09.520 --> 0:56:12.480
<v Speaker 1>back to. But you know, I gotta tell you know,

0:56:13.120 --> 0:56:15.319
<v Speaker 1>I wrote that song about five minutes and I went

0:56:15.360 --> 0:56:18.920
<v Speaker 1>and knocked on the door on Duval Street and Key

0:56:18.960 --> 0:56:20.719
<v Speaker 1>West to get a job, and I got one. I

0:56:20.800 --> 0:56:23.600
<v Speaker 1>played it there in a place called Crazy Old Philis

0:56:23.640 --> 0:56:27.040
<v Speaker 1>the first time, and I think nineteen seventy two. This

0:56:27.120 --> 0:56:30.520
<v Speaker 1>is a lot different up here, and I just I

0:56:30.600 --> 0:56:33.600
<v Speaker 1>just had that one. I just took that that great.

0:56:33.680 --> 0:56:38.840
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's almost a light speed run from Duval Street,

0:56:39.000 --> 0:56:41.399
<v Speaker 1>you know, to seven and four the street and look

0:56:41.400 --> 0:56:43.560
<v Speaker 1>at this place and go through. What an incredible job

0:56:43.640 --> 0:56:45.920
<v Speaker 1>they did. But I always I love the fact that

0:56:46.080 --> 0:56:48.600
<v Speaker 1>when it was being built, uh, you know, I love

0:56:48.719 --> 0:56:50.400
<v Speaker 1>kind of hanging. I came in and to see the

0:56:50.400 --> 0:56:53.920
<v Speaker 1>building process and talk to people that were building it,

0:56:54.160 --> 0:56:57.920
<v Speaker 1>and the excitement from construction workers in New York. They

0:56:57.920 --> 0:57:01.040
<v Speaker 1>were the nicest construction workers, you know, every want to see.

0:57:01.520 --> 0:57:04.600
<v Speaker 1>And uh, it kind of emulates to the fact that

0:57:04.680 --> 0:57:08.360
<v Speaker 1>everybody from you know, from our partners into the financial

0:57:08.400 --> 0:57:11.399
<v Speaker 1>partners of people working here. There's there's a real kind

0:57:11.440 --> 0:57:15.040
<v Speaker 1>of sense of community and and fun that we're having that. Uh,

0:57:15.120 --> 0:57:18.000
<v Speaker 1>it's pretty special even on this island. Well, I gotta

0:57:18.000 --> 0:57:20.040
<v Speaker 1>say the Bloomberg audience likes to have fun too, But

0:57:20.080 --> 0:57:22.280
<v Speaker 1>they're also a financial audience. And you guys have spent

0:57:22.320 --> 0:57:24.880
<v Speaker 1>a few hundred million dollars to get this done. Several

0:57:24.960 --> 0:57:27.720
<v Speaker 1>years to get it done. And when it comes down

0:57:27.760 --> 0:57:29.800
<v Speaker 1>to it, I mean, how long does it take to

0:57:29.920 --> 0:57:32.280
<v Speaker 1>make it kind of a profitable venture? You guys know,

0:57:32.480 --> 0:57:36.040
<v Speaker 1>New York City is an incredible place to do anything,

0:57:36.040 --> 0:57:38.480
<v Speaker 1>but it can also be a very difficult And Times Square,

0:57:38.760 --> 0:57:40.520
<v Speaker 1>I've seen a lot of restaurants, have seen a lot

0:57:40.520 --> 0:57:43.080
<v Speaker 1>of hotels open and closed in the same year. I've

0:57:43.120 --> 0:57:46.320
<v Speaker 1>seen a lot of Broadway shows open and closed in

0:57:46.360 --> 0:57:49.120
<v Speaker 1>the same year. So what is it going to take,

0:57:49.800 --> 0:57:52.880
<v Speaker 1>um to make it successful financially? And are you seeing

0:57:52.920 --> 0:57:55.920
<v Speaker 1>already demand in terms of rooms and people wanting to

0:57:55.920 --> 0:57:59.439
<v Speaker 1>be there? Well, I think the first thing is that

0:57:59.680 --> 0:58:02.120
<v Speaker 1>while there are a lot of hotels in Times Square,

0:58:03.200 --> 0:58:05.000
<v Speaker 1>there's not a hotel in Times Square where you can

0:58:05.040 --> 0:58:08.120
<v Speaker 1>jump in a pool twelve months a year. Good point.

0:58:08.360 --> 0:58:13.040
<v Speaker 1>So uh, it separates us, I think in a fairly

0:58:13.080 --> 0:58:17.120
<v Speaker 1>material way. Um. And and this is a very profitable

0:58:17.160 --> 0:58:24.000
<v Speaker 1>business because while it's fun to drink, it's also profitable

0:58:24.040 --> 0:58:28.520
<v Speaker 1>to drink and so um. One thing we've never had

0:58:28.520 --> 0:58:36.480
<v Speaker 1>trouble with is is demand and profitability. So um. We've

0:58:36.560 --> 0:58:40.000
<v Speaker 1>learned from Jimmy from his career. You know, deliver value

0:58:40.680 --> 0:58:43.960
<v Speaker 1>so long as you're creating fun for people, and you're

0:58:44.000 --> 0:58:49.360
<v Speaker 1>doing it at fair price. Our experiences that you do

0:58:49.520 --> 0:58:52.640
<v Speaker 1>very well. Well. Are you guys seeing already demand in

0:58:52.760 --> 0:58:54.600
<v Speaker 1>terms of people wanting to come stay at the hotel?

0:58:54.720 --> 0:58:57.080
<v Speaker 1>Can you give us any indication or can you give

0:58:57.160 --> 0:59:01.600
<v Speaker 1>us a little idea of what kind of demand you're seeing? Absolutely,

0:59:01.640 --> 0:59:07.360
<v Speaker 1>the advanced bookings are very strong. Obviously, our timing, which

0:59:07.520 --> 0:59:12.600
<v Speaker 1>we didn't control, the brilliance of American science did H,

0:59:12.960 --> 0:59:15.200
<v Speaker 1>is fantastic. There's a lot of pent up to man,

0:59:16.640 --> 0:59:18.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, people haven't been able to have fun for

0:59:18.520 --> 0:59:22.280
<v Speaker 1>a long time, and it's a bit of an allegory

0:59:22.360 --> 0:59:26.360
<v Speaker 1>really for the comeback of not just New York but America.

0:59:27.720 --> 0:59:30.320
<v Speaker 1>Everybody could sure you use a visit to Margarita. So

0:59:30.360 --> 0:59:32.360
<v Speaker 1>one last question, guys, I have to say, in the

0:59:32.440 --> 0:59:33.959
<v Speaker 1>lead up to this, Tim and I've been talking around

0:59:33.960 --> 0:59:36.120
<v Speaker 1>the newsroom like we're gonna interview Buffett and they're like

0:59:36.160 --> 0:59:38.840
<v Speaker 1>Warren and we're like, no, Jimmy Buffett, the other Buffet.

0:59:39.160 --> 0:59:43.280
<v Speaker 1>You guys are actually friends Jimmy, and we're curious, did you, guys,

0:59:43.520 --> 0:59:45.920
<v Speaker 1>do you talk business with him? Do you talk investments

0:59:45.920 --> 0:59:48.480
<v Speaker 1>with him? Do you drink Margarita's with him, Like, I'm

0:59:48.480 --> 0:59:54.880
<v Speaker 1>just curious about that relationship. Yeah, if you if you

0:59:54.920 --> 0:59:59.040
<v Speaker 1>were distant, something may because of the Warren you'd call

0:59:59.160 --> 1:00:05.760
<v Speaker 1>him to. We've we've been friends for a long long time.

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<v Speaker 1>We were introduced by his sister Dars to my mom

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<v Speaker 1>and they went on a genealogical kind of trip and

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<v Speaker 1>that was the first time that she said, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you ought to meet Warren, you ought to buy Berkshire

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<v Speaker 1>And that was like in nineteen seventy two, and I

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<v Speaker 1>did both, Wow, have you bought bit coin? And yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I know I know anything. I know what Warren things

1:00:33.280 --> 1:00:37.200
<v Speaker 1>about it, but you know it is, yeah, a little

1:00:37.280 --> 1:00:40.080
<v Speaker 1>dabble in there done do anybody harm? You know? I

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<v Speaker 1>think in the in the entertainment side of it, it's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty injy. I'm looking at how how you could uh

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<v Speaker 1>tickets to me is an interesting thing of how you

1:00:49.000 --> 1:00:52.640
<v Speaker 1>could control maybe scalping and in the long run, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't see anybody's done anything about it yet that

1:00:55.040 --> 1:00:57.800
<v Speaker 1>has actually worked, but this this could be a possibility.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I'm kind of looking at. That's deed of

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<v Speaker 1>the Buffett and John Colan, the CEO of Margarita Ville.

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<v Speaker 1>How much fun was that? That was awesome? Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>Also that story in Bloomberg Business Week, the cover story,

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<v Speaker 1>It is so good. I had no idea that the

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<v Speaker 1>buffet brand was so big. It's a lifestyle and that's

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<v Speaker 1>what they're all about, this whole idea. You get into

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<v Speaker 1>this mindset and then you want to continue to perpetuate it,

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<v Speaker 1>essentially if you're at home. I mean, they have a

1:01:22.240 --> 1:01:26.520
<v Speaker 1>high end basically drink mixer for making great Margarita's. I mean,

1:01:26.560 --> 1:01:29.400
<v Speaker 1>it's pretty remarkable. All about getting that next generation into

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<v Speaker 1>it too. You got to get those younger guys to

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<v Speaker 1>be parrodhoods. All right. That wraps up the weekend edition

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