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Speaker 1: I'm not talking about his numbers because you can fluff

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Speaker 2: You mean impact. It's hot and here get is you

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Speaker 2: Studied this a fine games inside out. Rogan had the

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Speaker 2: I think he has Spotify by the nuts, bro He's

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Speaker 1: Year, I'm not articulating myself the best way in this regard.

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Speaker 1: Then yes, Joe Rogan has the most leverage on Earth.

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Speaker 1: If they they stupped so much of their podcast division

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Speaker 1: And I just don't think they're gonna give Rogan the

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Speaker 2: They're gonna double that up. He's eleven million a week now.

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Speaker 2: No one's even closed the call your daddy, Call her daddy,

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Speaker 1: What are the funding that they put into it already?

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Speaker 1: I don't think they're getting back what they thought they

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm telling you.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna make everything, you know, everything is a scope.

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Speaker 2: Yes, now you will carve Rogan out when you make

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Speaker 1: Let's let's say they gave Rogan three hundred million for

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Speaker 1: You think they're gonna give Rogan what's a plus three?

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Speaker 1: Give a billion dollars? No, no, no, They're gonna cut the

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Speaker 2: They're gonna cut everything down, including Rogan. No no, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: And they're gonna cut the whole division down. No, they

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Speaker 2: They will not touch Rogan. Okay, they will not touch

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Speaker 2: Wogan and nothing that has to do with Rogan.

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Speaker 1: He's will make a dollar more than on the next one.

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Speaker 2: What when he is?

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Speaker 1: The whole podcast division will be another three And.

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Speaker 2: Are you listening to what I'm saying? Fifty million dollars

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Speaker 2: a week. Are you hearing that? Google this? If you

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Speaker 2: I'm aware, I'm well aware. Eleven million every time I

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Speaker 2: press upload. Do you understand what that warrants?

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Speaker 1: And you understand that the download theory of podcasting is

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Speaker 2: Course I just switched. Yeah, so I know when they had.

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Speaker 1: Downloads don't mean a motherfucking thing, right, Yeah, but well,

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Speaker 1: which is fucked up for us? Yes, But that's why

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Speaker 1: I say Rogan's gonna be dep devalued because Spotify the

439
00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:14,600
Speaker 1: same way Spotify, the same way Spotify will devalue a

440
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,280
Speaker 1: stream on a song. Now that we are not in

441
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,359
Speaker 1: the download version of podcasting anymore, because that's how we

442
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 1: used to prove our money, our CPM.

443
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 2: Everything is gone. We are going listener.

444
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:28,880
Speaker 1: We are going to base our fucking CPM shit off

445
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,119
Speaker 1: a stream the same way music used to be and

446
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,360
Speaker 1: that was, and music right now gets point zero zero

447
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 1: zero zero zero one on a fucking stream. They are

448
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 1: going to devalue us. No, That's why I'm saying Rogan,

449
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:41,200
Speaker 1: but downloads don't mean a fucking.

450
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,679
Speaker 2: And listen, music isn't up against ads. Pods are up

451
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 2: against ads. That's the difference. So they have this eleven

452
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:53,960
Speaker 2: million hit thing up against sixty ads or up against

453
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 2: Rogan or read five six ads at a time. Right,

454
00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:04,680
Speaker 2: So they got him with his huge audience attaching these brands.

455
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 2: And this is how I know they're really invested. Everything

456
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 2: is host red. So that's telling me to sell the ad.

457
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 2: They're going in there and saying Rogan is on board,

458
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 2: he's the big guy, and they will cut the podcast division,

459
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 2: the podcast editors, the podcast everything, but they're gonna leave

460
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 2: Big Rogan alone. I don't see them devalue in Rogan.

461
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 2: I don't know how in the hell you got to that. Now.

462
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 2: I get your I see what you're saying in regards

463
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 2: to the bleariness of the worth of a stream listening

464
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,680
Speaker 2: download what all of that means. But when I tell

465
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 2: you that they just gave someone sixty million who's not

466
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 2: even in the stratosphere of this guy, and if they

467
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 2: were gonna make that's kind of yeah. But she's not

468
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 2: in his strategy for of course, now that's why he

469
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,199
Speaker 2: got he's not forty. But what they're reporting for her

470
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 2: sixty in reporting one hundred for him. So what I'm

471
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 2: saying is is that for her to get sixty and

472
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 2: not be close to him in regards to numbers. Right now,

473
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,880
Speaker 2: she's great too, she's high up there, but he dominates

474
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,920
Speaker 2: every genre. And for him to be there, I think Spotify,

475
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 2: being that big of a company, going to make that

476
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 2: decision after Rogan's deal, they would have already implemented those changes,

477
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 2: and they wouldn't have gave her sixty million for something

478
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 2: that doesn't warrant as many listens as what he has.

479
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 1: And again, I think we're kind of saying the same

480
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Speaker 1: thing when I say I don't think Rogan's gonna get

481
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 1: a dollar more on the next deal.

482
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:35,360
Speaker 2: How much you think you got?

483
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:38,199
Speaker 1: That's probably close to accurate.

484
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 2: One hundred or three hundred it was.

485
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:41,879
Speaker 1: I think it was one hundred for three years, right,

486
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 1: so three million, right.

487
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 2: So if he gets so you don't think he's gonna

488
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Speaker 2: get three hundred million.

489
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Speaker 1: I don't know if Rogan wants to even sign back

490
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Speaker 1: with spot It. I do say that's another This is.

491
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 2: Why because he he spoke to YouTube again. Again. This

492
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,239
Speaker 2: is why I try to tell these youngsters, don't let

493
00:24:56,320 --> 00:25:00,920
Speaker 2: these content trick you. The YouTube talk, because even Rogan said,

494
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 2: you know what, YouTube me me for a while. But

495
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,400
Speaker 2: guess what when they heard I had this Spotify deal coming. Oh,

496
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,959
Speaker 2: they clicked on every video to green. I had all

497
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 2: kind of yellow not monetized. They heard Spotify was coming,

498
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:20,439
Speaker 2: and I had ninety days hey, green everything because they

499
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 2: knew's get this ad revenue. Of course while he's here. Right,

500
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 2: So Rogan even identified that YouTube is in a safe

501
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 2: place and he had relationship with YouTube. He said, I

502
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 2: can pick up the phone and call him, right, I

503
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,400
Speaker 2: had relationship with him, and I still was yellow, yellow, yellow, yellow.

504
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,640
Speaker 2: But when they knew that deal was coming, they cut

505
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 2: everything on.

506
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 1: That speaks to mistakes. Was trying to place where the

507
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 1: ads would go in my own YouTube videos, and I

508
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 1: had a conversation with somebody at YouTube and they said, no,

509
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,360
Speaker 1: you have to let us do it, or we're going

510
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 1: to demonetize a lot of it if you don't put

511
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 1: the auto wads on. Because I used to try to

512
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Speaker 1: do the how.

513
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 2: We Yeah, I was trying to place it fifteen forty

514
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 2: five like that.

515
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, And they were like, oh, you're you're gonna cut

516
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: your money in half if you do it yourself.

517
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,719
Speaker 2: He'll have to do it. I didn't know that as

518
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 2: a good game. And see, that's why these conversations are important. Now,

519
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 2: I do think that Rogan lost a lot of value

520
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 2: in this perspective, because again, it's an undeveloped market. So

521
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 2: when you deal with podcasts and I'm saying what built

522
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 2: a lot of podcasts or what what favored Rogan, I'm

523
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 2: wonna say built him because I think his content and

524
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 2: conversation lit the way for him. But what I think

525
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 2: helped him a lot was the fact that the algorithm

526
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 2: on these sites right in regards to audio, when it says,

527
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 2: no matter what you listen to up next was Rogan. Yeah,

528
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 2: podcast you may like was Rogan. They took him out

529
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 2: of that. Now that's a marketing budget that people can't

530
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 2: even pay for to get mixed up on every single

531
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 2: podcast is being paid. Now, that's where I think he

532
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 2: loses the discovery mode, right, But I still believe him

533
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 2: to have immense value in the market landing over there

534
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 2: on Spotify, and I do not see them they will

535
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 2: get rid of in that whole They not touching Rogan

536
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 2: if he's the last one.

537
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: Down the entire podcast department the way they.

538
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 2: Did, I just see they overinvested.

539
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: Of course they didn't.

540
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Rogan ain't the problem.

541
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: They got Michelle Obama and didn't get.

542
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. So now

543
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 2: Rogan's cleaning all of that up. So next time it's

544
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 2: gonna say, hey, man, now now we can finally make

545
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 2: some money with you, because basically you just cleaned up

546
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 2: all of the bullish money that we've thrown away, you know,

547
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 2: with all of these bulls or not bullsh respectfully, with

548
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 2: all of this lost money in the market.

549
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 1: But I mean, how much of that do you think sticks? Like,

550
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 1: are all Rogan fans only gonna be Spotify subscribers premium,

551
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: not even the ones that do the ad because even

552
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 1: with Rogan, if you pay premium for Spotify, you don't

553
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 1: get him even.

554
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 2: Talking about ads, I don't think. So.

555
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:13,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, if Rogan's looking at that and you're shifting your

556
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: entire business where you were going to bank your entire

557
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: existence on podcasts and that's changed, do I need to

558
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 1: stay here?

559
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 2: And that's the thing, because he made better offer, and

560
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 2: we'll let's get to rumble and kick and we'll get

561
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 2: out of here. But with Rogan, he may get a

562
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 2: better offer somewhere else because he was already getting dated

563
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 2: whire certain people was already trying to match that offer,

564
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 2: give him more. It's spotted when when covid happened and

565
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 2: Spotify act like they might get off the boat, it

566
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 2: was company stepping up. Hey Rogan, they get off. Come on,

567
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 2: we got a hundred, we'll give you one fifty. Matter

568
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 2: of fact, if you want to leave them for even

569
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 2: threaten to play with you like that, we got a

570
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 2: hunt it over here fort you, And so he warrants

571
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 2: that in the market, right, I want to talk about

572
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 2: this and then we'll get out here kai Ka Sanid

573
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 2: and a bunch of these streamer guys having a beef

574
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 2: because of this rumbles kids, this Twitch situation. What's your

575
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 2: take on it? Do you know a lot about what's

576
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 2: going on? Yeah?

577
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: I mean the Twitch thing is is very interesting because

578
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: Twitch was kind of like almost like the early blog era,

579
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: like it was the wild wild West where they would

580
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: allow you to do everything. That's why, like I love

581
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: Twitch so much, and they kind of took away the

582
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:31,239
Speaker 1: value of what their platform was by doing what they

583
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: did Takai and everything that's happening now. So I don't

584
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: fully understand what their business plan could be. Of course,

585
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: they probably know something I don't, but they took away them.

586
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 2: It seemed like they crashing it out.

587
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, they took away what their value was, which was

588
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: that wild wild West, which doesn't exist on the internet

589
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: out because like everything is copyrighted and everything has a

590
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: lawyer behind it and you can't do They were the

591
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: last I felt like, the last platform period where you

592
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: could act exists in the way we used to exist

593
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: on the Internet, where anything goes. They took that away.

594
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: I don't get it for what that's that's a terrible

595
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: business plan like that. You're at this point. I don't

596
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: want to speak too much too because I mean, I

597
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: saw it's a right wing platform all that other. But

598
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: I do believe in free speech, and I think there

599
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: should be platforms, should be space for free speech as

600
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: long as it's not like violent hateful speech. Yeah, it's

601
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: the difference between free speech and hateful speech. Yeah, And

602
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: that's the that's the conversation. But I guess my question

603
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: would be, does is Rumble the new Twitch? And then

604
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: Rumble goes through the same thing Twitch does and it becomes.

605
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 2: But Rumble is in a test to Amazon. So I

606
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 2: think a lot of people are finding issue with Amazon

607
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 2: being in control of Twitch because Rumble uses Amazon's service

608
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 2: the same way twitches you right, they all have to

609
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 2: use the same service, and so it's a weird thing happening.

610
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 2: But this petition in the market. So the streamers are

611
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 2: trying to get Casinet to leave Twitch, right because I

612
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 2: think somebody said that one of the people had like

613
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 2: a hundred million for the little dude or something, yeah,

614
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,959
Speaker 2: like something she just raised. Yes, it might have been

615
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 2: two hundred million. And now Kay's being attacked from fellow

616
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 2: streamers calling him you a slave. You don't want to

617
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 2: leave Twitch because Twitch is banning them, you know, demonetizing,

618
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 2: stopping this, stopping that, right, and they won't be in

619
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 2: the budge. If you were consanet would you would you move?

620
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 2: Would you take the money? Yeah? I would too. I

621
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 2: wonder what's stopping him from taking the money.

622
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna take that money. He should take

623
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: that money. And that whole back and forth with other

624
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: streamers is just content. It's not true. Everyone would have

625
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: taken that bread as well, Like how many how many

626
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: people do we know back that have stood on the

627
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: I'm never conforming to business or ever quote unquote selling

628
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: out doing a good business deal is not selling out

629
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: at all. That's that's actually some backward ass narrative that

630
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: people need to get out of the cannet. Partnering with

631
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: a corporation in the right way is beautiful.

632
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 2: Strategic partnerships is the best thing in life.

633
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: I never want people to get over. But that doesn't

634
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: make you a sellout because you went and did a

635
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: deal with somebody, right, that's nuts that that's holding people back.

636
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 2: Right or steer record, you are next in line. I

637
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 2: sent it to your ry.

638
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: But Andrew Tate's first stream it was this combat stream

639
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: or one hundred.

640
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 2: That was with Pat Bev right that they did what,

641
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 2: let's just talking about it for like fat.

642
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: Kay should take that money and he should get away

643
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: from Twitch. If they're keep banning him on some other shit,

644
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: go take your money somewhere else.

645
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 2: Like that's what people are telling them, and they're being

646
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 2: critical of them, and it's like I want him to

647
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 2: be comfortable with it, and I want to know maybe

648
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 2: he has some information he's not sharing with them, but

649
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 2: it seems like that he's like like not moving and

650
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 2: people are like yo, even Nicki Minaj just say yo,

651
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 2: take care of Kai, And they're not fucking with Nikki.

652
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 2: It's like they're not listening. Drake said that all these

653
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 2: people who you would think Amazon will be like Niki

654
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 2: and Drake. Nikki said she'll come if they just take

655
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 2: care of him, like usually Spotify busts and move on

656
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 2: something like that.

657
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: So, but that's that's why I feel for Kay too,

658
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: Like it's a crazy position of being where you don't

659
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: just represent yourself, you represent the mart entire monk. Like

660
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: the decision you make now will the shifting like you

661
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: are you are him? Like, so I kind of understand

662
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: why he's taking.

663
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 2: This, and that's what I'm saying. I don't want them

664
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 2: to force it because it feels like they're and it

665
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 2: seemed like it's weighing on him because he's starting to

666
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 2: try to defend hisself and be like it's not true.

667
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 2: I'm not a no, it's not Bro tell him that

668
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 2: I could have took that deal and da da da.

669
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,879
Speaker 2: It's like, Bro, don't let him trick you. Just take

670
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 2: your time. You have all the leverage in the world,

671
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 2: you have all the contexts in the world. Take your time.

672
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 2: Don't let these little guys trick you into busting the move,

673
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 2: because if you crashed out. They're just gonna laugh, you know,

674
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 2: they're just gonna laugh. Andrew Tate himself, we just were

675
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 2: told by your producer. Yes, four hundred thousand people watched

676
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 2: his live stream.

677
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 1: And that ties into the Joe Rogan conversation as well,

678
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 1: the same way Tucker Carlson is taking Twitter bags. I

679
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: think there's just another market besides Rogan and Spotify. I

680
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: thinkte Tate now like he would have to go with

681
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 1: someone like a rumbo that would put a pill up

682
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: for him at that point.

683
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he's that powerful for four hundred thousand people.

684
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 2: I was watching Pat BEVN. It was like one hundred

685
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 2: and sixty thousand in that just said once and for Tate,

686
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 2: you know, they got new charges on him. I believe,

687
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 2: I believe these interviews are not helping his situation.

688
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,399
Speaker 1: He's, uh, it's funny me me and me and Julian

689
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:17,720
Speaker 1: weraving this conversation walking here today after watching the Value

690
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: Tainment interview that Andrew shut up. He is greatest manipulators

691
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: of all time. Like I know what tom it is

692
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:29,760
Speaker 1: when I listened.

693
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 2: To him talk, you believe I know, okay, how.

694
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 1: He's wanted back to like forty eight laws of power.

695
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 1: He has mastered that, like the three of us could

696
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: listen to his ship and know what time it is

697
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: to some degree, like what's entertainment was? He is so

698
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: entertaining and so compelling that everycking lie he gets off

699
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:53,399
Speaker 1: sounds true.

700
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 2: Mmm.

701
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 1: Like I was even watching him on the Value Tament

702
00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: talk about him converting to Islam, and I have a

703
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 1: lot of Islamic friends. I'm very, very very well versed

704
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: in that religion. I could tell his his response to

705
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:15,479
Speaker 1: him converting was absolute bullshit, but he was compelling. I forget,

706
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,879
Speaker 1: honestly understand why someone would think he's telling the truth.

707
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 2: What did you say? I forgot? I know he said

708
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 2: he went from he was he was Christian.

709
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 1: And as someone that grew up Irish Catholic, clerk, he

710
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 1: is right in his argument that Islam is probably the

711
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: last religion that actually believes in the values that are

712
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: within the Book and their religion, whereas me growing up Catholic,

713
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: you don't really have to live by that, just ask

714
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 1: for forgiveness. So he made an incredible compelling argument, But

715
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 1: I know he's trolling.

716
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 2: He's just a very entity because wanted me to have

717
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 2: you explain that and just not let you get that off. Like,

718
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 2: I know he's trolling. I know he's full of all right,

719
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 2: let it this way.

720
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 1: I don't know he is. I'm I'm making an assumption.

721
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: Watching Andrew Tate for quite some time, he comes across

722
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: to me as very much a manipulator, a troll, but

723
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: also an extremely intelligent human being. And he knows when

724
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 1: he says certain things the reaction it will get, and

725
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: nobody could put together an argument better than him when.

726
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 2: I'm one of the most great that. Yeah, he's definitely

727
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 2: in that space. He's definitely a force to be reckoned with.

728
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: But I've also studied when he's broken character, like I

729
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: can tell like you, and I know sometimes you can

730
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 1: just tell with people when they line. So your fans

731
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: would be like, he didn't give a compelling argument there,

732
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 1: I just know it's a feeling he's lying. But he's

733
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 1: the best at it. So again his cases, I don't

734
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 1: know anything about it. I don't take him to be

735
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 1: a I don't know man, not a liar, not per se.

736
00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 2: And now here's what I will saybellishes and.

737
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: Liars hard to say because he tells the lies that

738
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: you can't really combat because it's him like, I can't

739
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,399
Speaker 1: say you're lying about your religion, even though I'm kind

740
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 1: of saying it now, that's your He's so good at

741
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: placing his lies that can't really be debated because you

742
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: can't debate that if you feel that way and you're

743
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: giving a good argument. Now I look nut or even

744
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 1: saying you're lying right now.

745
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 2: But you're saying it. I know.

746
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:32,879
Speaker 1: That's why he's so good.

747
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 2: Oh so you see what I'm saying. That's why he's

748
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 2: so fucking What you're saying is how I would say

749
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:40,919
Speaker 2: it is he puts you in a trick bag.

750
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, okay, okay, and you know he's lying, but

751
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,399
Speaker 1: you're like, he makes a good point. Wow.

752
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 2: Wow, that's why that guy is.

753
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: The fucking goat when it comes to manipulation narratives.

754
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 2: Now with these interviews, I find if he's so intelligent,

755
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 2: somebody has to help me understand why do these interviews

756
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 2: when he's all almost what looked like to be almost

757
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:05,240
Speaker 2: all now unless he thinks, no, they're coming with something anyway,

758
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 2: So I need to kind of get out in front

759
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 2: of it. I don't see why do the interview.

760
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: He because he's in the place now that his fans.

761
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: He's such a cult that you could get actual proof

762
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: that he was a sex trafficker. And he nothing's going

763
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 1: to change within his community. They're all gonna love him

764
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,879
Speaker 1: because he is. He's a cult leader. The same way.

765
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,280
Speaker 1: Did you watch What's the Texas?

766
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 2: You think he has a cult? Yes?

767
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: No, literally, as a colt, I watched the Vice doc

768
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: he has people living.

769
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 2: Oh shit, I forgot about that. I forgot about that.

770
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 2: Was that a cult? What was that I watched? Yeah?

771
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: David Koresh? All right, So David Koresh was a perfect

772
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: example as well of what I'm talking about when it

773
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: comes to Andrew Tate. David Koresh made such a compelling

774
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: argument that it wasn't a cult. It was just a

775
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: bunch of people that believe the exact same thing they were.

776
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: No one was forced against their will. They were all

777
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: here to do what they wanted to do. But that

778
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: came from manipulation, and you were doing nasty shit even

779
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: though those people wanted to do nasty Yeah, like why

780
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: that standoff happened? But how did you go for a month?

781
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: Was because what he was saying, like he was right,

782
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 1: he's not breaking the law, but you're doing some nasty

783
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: shit in here right now, and that needs to stop.

784
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: But his arguments are so compelling and are fact based.

785
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 2: That you so if that's the case, then how can

786
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 2: see that he can't.

787
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: That's why I'm sitting here as a hypocrite, like I

788
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: think he's lying, but I have no proof there right

789
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: right right.

790
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 2: For him to do a four and a half hour

791
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 2: interview on Bond in Romania crazy, I just didn't get that.

792
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 2: And then he criticized them people. He went at them people,

793
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 2: saying certain stuff. Of course he didn't talk in particular

794
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 2: about the case. But to sit there all the time,

795
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 2: I'm utterly and honestly utterly, you know, I'm utterly you know.

796
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 2: He keeps using that. I always hear him say that.

797
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 2: You know, I'm I'm utterly innocent, and I know this

798
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 2: case way more than you. And I'm utterly telling you,

799
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 2: you know.

800
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 1: And it's like, okay, as someone that's been outside, you

801
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: know when people use a certain word, So we're saying

802
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: the same I know he liing because I know liars.

803
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 1: And the fact that you keep using that same word

804
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: every time technique involved, yes you are is their technique.

805
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: It's the way true car salesman. Absolutely, and that goes

806
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: back to forty laws of power and that code based

807
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: almost even back to the ego of the villain. Thing

808
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: like Andrew Tate has become the villain and he's leaned

809
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: into it more and fan bases to go into wanting

810
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 1: to like the villain. It's why we like superhero movies.

811
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: It's like any cinema. The fan based cold ship that

812
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 1: we have within the Internet. Now, yeah, you get the

813
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: good guy, but people love to love the villain. He's

814
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 1: leaning into all that ship. And because some of our

815
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 1: egos like to be hated, that means our fan base

816
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 1: also likes the guy that wants to hate worth more.

817
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 2: In the market podcast market Rogan or Tate.

818
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: Rogan and that that's unfair you think Rogan?

819
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 2: Did you get four hundred thousand people watching.

820
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: Andrew Tate is based off moments. Rogan has a returning

821
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: customer that if he doesn't have a moment, he'll be there.

822
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: I think the moments are important for him and they've

823
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: been lacking, but he has a returning customer. Tate. I

824
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: think I'm not I'm not gonna sit and watch it

825
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 1: tweak Andrew Tate podcast. I'm not gonna watch.

826
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 2: I think Rogan as well, and I think for different reasons.

827
00:42:54,840 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 2: I think because Rogan is a good host and Tate

828
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 2: is a good guess, and so I think that the

829
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 2: guest thing may run out before the whole thing.

830
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 1: The villain is also tough. It only lasts for so long.

831
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 1: Like Rogan is liked a monkst and he's not waving

832
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,240
Speaker 1: us like you get Chappelle and then you get Elon,

833
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,439
Speaker 1: like two completely different worlds, but the top of their world,

834
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: that's what Rogan gets because he's likable. Like, that's where

835
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,800
Speaker 1: that whole try to be the villain thing, I understand,

836
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 1: but it's such a short term plan, right, you'll be

837
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: hated for shit six nine did it? I'm not talking

838
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 1: about anything with within Trey Way or anything that, but

839
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 1: how he marketed himself as the villain, right. It worked

840
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 1: for so long until it was time to put an

841
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 1: album out and it was like, oh no, we just

842
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: like your villain of being a fucking dickhead. I don't really,

843
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: I don't really care about you.

844
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 2: Full circle, this is the same thing I was saying

845
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 2: about a lot of these people for operating in that

846
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 2: YouTube space. It's like, yo, we don't really care about

847
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 2: you who shot who shot who? Like that's what you're reporting.

848
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 2: That's why we're here. We don't really give a quick

849
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 2: tell us like it could be anybody tell I told

850
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 2: Chris Monroe. Let's get you up there and do with that,

851
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:21,399
Speaker 2: like cause yo, bro, anybody saying this, well, like as

852
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 2: long as they believe it to be true and first, yeah,

853
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 2: that's all it is.

854
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 1: And so what's what's the number one YouTube comment ever?

855
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 2: First? And that's why I'm saying, like, so, so you

856
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 2: have to pay attention to all of those things for me,

857
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 2: you know, Rogan, in my opinion, warrants more than Tate.

858
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:44,280
Speaker 2: But again I think it's because he's a good host

859
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 2: and Tate's a good guest, you know, and uh, I

860
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 2: think those are those other things. Man, great conversation, and

861
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 2: we didn't even get into the weeds for real, I

862
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 2: didn't get it. I didn't even get into the weeds.

863
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: Which you have to come on come on our five

864
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,399
Speaker 1: yeah man it up, Yeah, whenever I'll come.

865
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 2: Man. Just let's set that up. Man, it's up that podcast.

866
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 2: Rory Man, y'all do something with that game. Let's get it.

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Speaker 2: It's soft. Deal yourself, deal we make you'll so in ploys.

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Speaker 3: And he said it's up.

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