WEBVTT - Perception is BS 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:14.440 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Okay f Daily with 0:00:14.560 --> 0:00:18.640 Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, recording once again from the Bunker. 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:22.400 You know, folks, I will say this that so far, 0:00:22.840 --> 0:00:27.240 I believe that the j six Commission is doing an 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:36.880 incredible job. I think that they have compiled such a fascinating, layered, 0:00:37.320 --> 0:00:43.640 eye opening, jaw dropping case that I've ever seen. The 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:49.560 way in which this last hearing laid bare and shocked 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:51.280 the shit out of me, As you'll hear in my 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:55.760 upcoming interview with our friend Glenn Kirshner. You know, this 0:00:55.960 --> 0:00:59.880 entire time that we've been talking about the insurrection, talk 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:04.480 about this white domestic terrorist mob that overtook our Capitol building, 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:08.400 that killed police officers, beat them, cursed them, you know, 0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:13.840 destroyed property at the behest of Donald Trump. In my mind, 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:17.480 I'd been thinking that, you know, these people, they don't 0:01:17.480 --> 0:01:21.240 believe in democracy. They just want authoritarianism and fascism, and 0:01:21.319 --> 0:01:24.480 that's why they went to the Capitol building. But then 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:31.039 the third hearing and I had a lightbulb moment because 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:34.560 the third hearing was all about the fact that Donald 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:40.240 Trump wanted to cause harm to his vice president. Donald 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:44.440 Trump sent that mob to the Capitol Building not to 0:01:44.640 --> 0:01:50.640 just disrupt quote unquote the vote count, No, the certification, 0:01:50.720 --> 0:01:55.760 excuse me of the election. No, No, he sent them 0:01:55.760 --> 0:02:01.480 to the Capitol Building to disrupt his vice president by 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:06.760 any means necessary. When you hear that Donald Trump, as 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:12.480 his goons were saying, hang Mike Pence, that his reaction 0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:17.200 to that was maybe they should. And hearing that, Mark 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:20.800 Meadows then walks out of the office all fucking shook, 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:22.640 as if he didn't know who the fuck he was 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:25.120 dealing with, that he didn't know Donald Trump as a mobster, 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:28.200 that he didn't know that he wants power for power's sake, 0:02:28.480 --> 0:02:32.200 and that like the rule of law, murder, whatever it 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:34.920 is that you need to do in order to hold 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:37.560 on to that power, this motherfucker was willing to do 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:44.400 so for me. I'm like, oh shit. This mob scene 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:50.600 outside and inside of the Capitol Building wasn't just about 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:59.680 stopping Congress from certification. It was particularly targeted at stopping 0:02:59.720 --> 0:03:05.000 Mike Pence because Mike Pence had finally declared that one 0:03:05.160 --> 0:03:09.080 person was not going to hand over the presidency to 0:03:09.200 --> 0:03:12.639 another person, that that is not how America works, it's 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:16.200 not how democracy worked, and that he knew, much like 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:19.360 fucking Donald Trump knew and everybody around him knew that 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:25.079 this motherfucker lost the election. Right, so you lost the election. 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:29.880 You've tried every which way until this moment in order 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:33.560 to get these votes thrown out. Do these motherfucking recounts? 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:35.920 And what did everybody tell you that when we're talking 0:03:35.960 --> 0:03:39.960 about recounts, you're talking about hundreds of votes, not making 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:47.120 up ten thousand plus. That just doesn't happen. So in hindsight, 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:50.400 now I'm sitting back and I'm like, this motherfucker tried 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:56.960 to kill you, and you ain't say boo. The fact 0:03:57.320 --> 0:04:02.160 that Mike Pence didn't want to get into the car 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:04.440 for a couple of reasons, and this is the thing 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:08.320 that I really hope gets unpacked at some point. Mike 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:11.200 Pence didn't want to get into the car to take 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:15.840 him and his staff away to safety because One, he 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:18.960 didn't want to have that image of the vice President 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:21.880 of the United States fleeing the Capitol Building. So I 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:24.840 get that, right, because that message that would have been 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:30.800 sent there not great, not great. Two, he told his 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:34.920 own secret service person, I don't know who's driving that car, 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:41.360 now what Glenn and I surmise and this conversation is 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:44.440 that he knew exactly who was driving that car, right, 0:04:44.520 --> 0:04:46.440 it's the same person that brought him there, and it's 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:49.279 probably the same person that drives him around all the time. 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:52.599 But what can be inferred from that statement is that 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:55.760 I don't know who's in charge. Am I going to 0:04:55.960 --> 0:04:58.840 end up in somebody's alasco or am I going to 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:02.000 end up, as Glenn will say later, in somebody's cement boots. 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:08.719 The fact of the matter is that the reality that 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:12.680 we're even having this conversation isn't just about how far 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:16.440 off the rails Donald Trump had gone. It's how far 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:20.040 off the rails Donald Trump has always been. And so 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:22.680 when these people had the audacity to say, well I 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:25.760 was on team normal and they were on team crazy, 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:30.320 We're like the rest of us are like, so, wait, 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:33.159 were you not around the entire four years? Because the 0:05:33.240 --> 0:05:37.960 ship that you all were doing purposefully blowing up political 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:42.880 norms right like the way in which Donald Trump was 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:48.520 governing and admonishing staff via tweet, threatening nuclear war via tweet, 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:53.320 like talking about alternative facts? What part of fucking normal 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:56.760 did you think that this was? You don't get to 0:05:56.920 --> 0:06:02.120 rebrand yourself in the aftermath that we're still all fucking 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:05.599 spinning from talking about you were the grown up in 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:11.320 the room, bitch, when right, you'all were crazy. You got 0:06:11.360 --> 0:06:18.520 behind a fucking TV reality host who everybody in New 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:22.080 York has known, has been a motherfucking drifter, right, A 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:26.400 liar and a cheat and a tax evader, a cheater 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:33.280 in multiple ways, right, a sexual assaulter, and just an 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:37.160 all around piece of shit human. You knew this and 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:40.440 you got on the Trump train because y'all want power, 0:06:40.520 --> 0:06:43.480 and you believe in power for power's sake, not power 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:46.719 to do good, not power to do right, just power 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:49.239 to oppress and power to do harm. So don't talk 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:53.320 to us now after the fact, when you realize just 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:55.880 how far Donald Trump and company were willing to go 0:06:56.160 --> 0:06:58.720 that now you want to catch yourself in the eleventh 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:02.080 hour talking about, oh, we were on team normal, bitch 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:05.880 missed me with it, right, No one should be falling 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:08.479 for that bullshit, just like the tap dance that William 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:11.120 Barr was doing in all of his interviews, talking about, 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:13.920 Oh this is bullshit and these people crazy. You got 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:16.440 on CBS Bill Barr and you said you didn't give 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:19.960 a fuck about your legacy. Right, you did all of 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:23.320 Donald Trump's bidding, particularly what you should be going down 0:07:23.320 --> 0:07:26.080 for what you won't because this Department of Justice just 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:29.000 don't got that teeth and that backbone and that swagger 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:31.679 to actually get shit done. But when Bill Barr stood 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:34.120 up before the American people and lied about the contents 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:36.880 of the Malla Report, you showed us just how far 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:39.360 you were willing to go for trump Ism and the 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:41.760 Trump train. So you don't get to turn around in 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:44.560 the eleventh that we're talking about. Oh that's why I left, bitch, 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:46.760 You left two weeks before the next president came in. 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:52.960 Shut up. I just you know the audacity, right, the 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:57.160 audacity of these people to try and recharacterize themselves as 0:07:57.160 --> 0:08:02.840 somebody's patriot, as somebody is like believer right of democracy 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:05.720 and the rule of law. Like, oh, that line seems 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:08.840 too far for you to break, bitch. You crossed at 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:12.119 least a thousand before we got to the insurrection point, 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:15.720 and all along you kept saying, no, that's good, that's good. 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:23.280 So here we are, folks, halfway through, halfway through these 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:26.680 public hearings. We now know that the Department of Justice 0:08:26.760 --> 0:08:30.800 has signaled once again and this time even more with 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:34.680 firmness that they want all the documents, They want the 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:38.880 transcripts to all the over one thousand interviews that the 0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:42.400 Sixth Commission has done over the past twelve months. And 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:45.719 my question is, why did you all wait? What were 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:48.800 you waiting for? You knew that we were having public 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:51.840 hearings in June, So I'm confused about why you're asking 0:08:51.840 --> 0:08:53.960 for the motherfucking transcripts. Now, you could have asked for 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:56.120 that ship back in January when we had hit the 0:08:56.200 --> 0:08:59.760 year anniversary of the insurrection and the Department of Justice 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:02.600 show no signs of doing that a fucking thing. And 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:09.160 at that time this Commission had already been working, so 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:11.559 we can say, oh, well, they didn't want perception in 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:14.760 this that the other thing. Perception is bullshit. We all 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:16.760 know Donald Trump as a criminal, and he's still walking 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:19.319 around on the streets. So why is it that we, 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:22.560 when going after criminals, have to make sure that we 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:24.560 got all our eyes and cross all of our teas. 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:28.520 I'm just confused by the dumble standard that we're all 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:34.240 the only ones living under. Nonetheless, coming up next, my 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:39.199 conversation with our friend Glenn Kirshner to unpack the latest 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:42.920 one six Insurrection hearing to discuss John Eastman and the 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:46.080 fact that that motherfucker is headed to federal prison, and 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:49.079 wondering whether or not anyone is going to subpoena Jinny 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:52.680 Thompson instead of peacefully and nicely requesting her to come 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:57.040 before the committee and lie straight to our faces. That 0:09:57.400 --> 0:10:01.000 and much more is coming up next. Get a behind 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:03.600 the scenes look at Comedy Central's The Daily Show on 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:06.600 Beyond the Scenes, an original podcast from The Daily Show 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:09.400 with Trevor Noah. 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If you like what you hear, be sure 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:34.120 to subscribe so you never miss an episode. Folks, each week, 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:36.680 whenever I get the opportunity to be joined by our 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:40.720 friend Glenn Kirshner, MSNBC Legal Analyst and the host of 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:47.000 Justice Matters to discuss the latest in legal news, I'm excited. 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:50.320 I'm excited this week, Glenn, for a couple of reasons. 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:55.000 We are now at the third installment of the one 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:58.240 six Committee hearings. So far, I think that they have 0:11:58.320 --> 0:12:01.160 been doing a good job of their roll out. What 0:12:01.400 --> 0:12:03.960 do you what, I want to get a sense of 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:08.760 your feelings around the bombshells before we go into specifics 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:14.400 that were dropped in in this week's third installment. You know, 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:19.560 they keep sort of tightening the investigative circle around Donald Trump. 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:25.560 He has committed criminal acts. He has absolutely no argument 0:12:25.960 --> 0:12:29.679 that he didn't have criminal intent when he was committing 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:34.040 those acts. They have wiped all of that away, and 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:38.600 now they went after his co conspirator, Don Eastman. And 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:40.760 you don't have to take my word for it that 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:44.840 John Eastman is a co conspirator of Donald Trump's because 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:49.240 of federal judge in California, David Carter, has ruled that 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:53.160 they acted together in a conspiracy to commit crimes against 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:57.360 the United States and to obstruct an official proceeding the 0:12:57.400 --> 0:13:03.240 certification of Joe Biden's win. So I was still surprised 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:08.400 at the nature of the incriminating evidence that they presented 0:13:08.440 --> 0:13:12.000 about John Eastman. I mean, it's mind blowing that a 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:17.720 lawyer not only put together a treasonous memo setting out 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:23.480 how to orchestrate a coup, but he acknowledged in some 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:26.319 of his emails that, look, I know this is kind 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:31.280 of against the law, but just a little bit against 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:34.840 the law, the Electoral count Act. And then I mean, 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:39.520 as if you thought it couldn't get any crazier. After 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:43.680 the riot, he said, look, can we just break the 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:46.680 law a little bit more? Because we ought to be 0:13:46.840 --> 0:13:50.120 all in to kill our democracy. At this point, he 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:56.040 was undeterred by the violence that had unfolded at the Capitol. 0:13:56.200 --> 0:14:01.319 He was still pushing the coup. And then to top 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:04.080 it all off, he said, oh, by the way, I'm 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:08.760 really going to need a pardon. So that just screams 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:12.640 consciousness of guilt. He knows he committed a crime and 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:16.040 the only way he could get away with it is 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:20.200 if his corrupt co conspirator, Donald Trump issued him a 0:14:20.280 --> 0:14:28.120 presidential pardon. John Eastman, will, I mean, he must be tried, convicted, 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:32.000 and end up in the Federal Bureau of Prisons. There's 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:35.240 just no two ways about it, after everything we've learned 0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:40.640 about his conduct. You know, let's just clear up the obvious, right, 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:45.320 if I'm innocent, if I'm a person that is above board, 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:49.320 do I casually send out emails? Would you send out 0:14:49.320 --> 0:14:53.040 an email that says, hey, that pardon parade still happening, 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:56.760 because I'd like to jump in. Is that something, Glenn, 0:14:56.840 --> 0:15:01.200 as a thirty year federal prosecutor, that you would ever 0:15:01.480 --> 0:15:05.160 just happen in your breast pocket be walking around with 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:10.560 a presidential pardon just in case. No, only people who 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:16.200 believe they've committed crimes request pardons, And the Supreme Court 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:21.800 has said that offering a pardon is some indication that 0:15:21.880 --> 0:15:25.920 the person committed a crime, and accepting a pardon is 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:31.080 some admission of guilt by the pardon recipient. Now, those 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:34.800 principles haven't been tested all that directly in court, but 0:15:34.960 --> 0:15:37.880 let me tell you not to get sidetracked. If New 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:43.040 York State prosecutes Steve Bannon for the state crimes that 0:15:43.160 --> 0:15:47.080 arose from his bogus we build the Wall scheme by 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:50.240 which he stole money from Donald Trump supporters, Donald Trump 0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:54.720 pardoned him federally. If I were the prosecutor, you bet 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:58.560 I would introduce that pardon as evidence that Steve Bannon 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:02.960 knew he committed and because he accepted that pardon, that 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:06.560 equals an admission of guilt, and let the judges sort 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:10.400 that out. But you absolutely have to start making these 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:13.200 arguments in the court. So let me tell you what 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:15.840 I thought was the most interesting thing that came out 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:20.480 of the third hearing. It hadn't occurred to me, Glenn, 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:23.040 and you and I've been talking now for god like 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:26.680 two years, right like every week, and it had really 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:29.240 hadn't occurred to me until it was laid out by 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:33.520 the Committee that Donald Trump really did send that mob 0:16:34.000 --> 0:16:38.160 to attack his vice president. It wasn't in my mind. 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:41.080 And tell me if it was illuminated for you, But 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:44.080 in my mind, I was just like, Oh, these people, 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:49.360 these mobsters, these terrorists, they're breaking in to our capital building. 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:52.800 They just want to ransack democracy. They want to you know, 0:16:53.200 --> 0:16:57.840 they want to upset this election. But this is not 0:16:58.080 --> 0:17:02.520 what the Committee drove home on with the third hearing. 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:08.280 It was really about expressly painting the picture that it 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:13.080 was Donald Trump who sent his legions of folks, including 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:16.640 the oath Keeper and Proud Boy militia, to go get 0:17:16.680 --> 0:17:21.680 his vice president. That as the vice president was evacuated 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:27.040 into that bunker, Donald Trump was still tweeting that he 0:17:27.160 --> 0:17:30.640 was weak, that he needed to stand up for his country. 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:34.800 So it was that always illuminated for you? Or do you? 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:40.400 Was that brought to clearer a clearer picture after listening 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:44.000 to this hearing. I think it comes into sharper and 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:48.919 sharper focus as we continue to learn more. You know, 0:17:48.960 --> 0:17:51.720 I think one of the tipping points for me, Danielle 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:55.320 was when we heard the reporting as maybe some weeks ago, 0:17:56.000 --> 0:17:59.960 that Mark Meadows came out of an Oval Office meeting 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:03.240 during the attack on the Capitol and he appeared to 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:06.879 be shaken and he said, you know, Trump just said 0:18:07.400 --> 0:18:10.760 maybe Mike Pence should be hanged. And we're going to 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:15.440 hear more evidency. I think the investigative circle and the 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:19.199 presentation of evidence continues to tighten around Trump because I 0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:21.639 think what We're going to begin to hear are some 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:25.520 of Trump's direct communications to his DOJ officials when he 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:29.080 tried to get them to weaponize the Department of Justice 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:33.719 to do his nefarious bidding. Then we're gonna hear about 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:37.919 statements he was making, an acts he was taking during 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:42.160 the insurrection itself. We're going to see photographs, maybe even 0:18:42.200 --> 0:18:44.760 here some recordings. I don't know, but I think the 0:18:44.840 --> 0:18:48.199 circle tightens more and more and more and more. But 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:51.760 when we heard that reporting that Donald Trump was angry, 0:18:51.800 --> 0:18:54.680 he was upset because Mike Pence was being whisked too 0:18:54.800 --> 0:18:58.479 safety and then he said maybe Mike Pence should be hanged. 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:01.000 I also think we're going to get more about the 0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:05.520 direct connection between the Proud Boys Oathkeepers, and the White 0:19:05.520 --> 0:19:09.360 House and Trump. And I think those are still some 0:19:09.480 --> 0:19:13.479 blockbuster revelations that are going to come, and you know, 0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:16.880 there will be nothing left for the Department of Justice 0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:21.480 to do but indict Eastman, Trump and the others. You know, 0:19:21.520 --> 0:19:23.320 I got to tell the other thing that came up, 0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:28.240 and I was watching the MSNBC kind of reflection, the 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:31.639 special reporting there after what you know, they're the big panel, 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:37.480 and Nicole Wallace said something too that took me, took 0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:41.440 me aback, and she said, Mike Pence told his secret 0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:45.560 service person I believe his name is Tim, that he 0:19:45.640 --> 0:19:49.719 wasn't getting in the car because he trusted that secret 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:52.960 service person. But he said, you're not driving the car. 0:19:54.119 --> 0:19:59.840 We don't know if Mike Pence was afraid to being 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:06.520 whisked away to Mars right, or something else a lot 0:20:06.560 --> 0:20:13.000 more nefarious. What did you interpret from that as well? 0:20:14.000 --> 0:20:17.320 So there are two ways we can interpret the statement 0:20:17.800 --> 0:20:21.840 I don't know who's driving the car, because think about this, 0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:27.520 he actually probably did know was physically driving the car 0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:30.920 in which he was transported to the Capitol and would 0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:34.080 have been transported from the Capitol. I assume it would 0:20:34.119 --> 0:20:37.480 have been part of his usual security detail. So when 0:20:37.480 --> 0:20:41.119 he said, look, I'm not leaving because I don't know 0:20:41.320 --> 0:20:43.359 I don't know who's driving the car to me, that 0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:46.520 could also mean I don't know who's in control of 0:20:46.600 --> 0:20:50.399 everything right now. And you know what, Trump may have 0:20:50.560 --> 0:20:53.760 arranged to take me somewhere out in the meadowlands and 0:20:53.880 --> 0:20:56.919 fit me for some cement shoes. I mean, yes, that 0:20:57.040 --> 0:21:02.359 sounds hyperbolic, does it. But when the president says maybe 0:21:02.400 --> 0:21:04.960 he should be hanged, maybe my supporters got it right. 0:21:06.240 --> 0:21:08.240 You know, he could have ended up in the metal lands. 0:21:10.040 --> 0:21:13.760 I you know, it is the picture that has painted 0:21:13.800 --> 0:21:18.919 for me is just what a mobster Donald Trump is, 0:21:19.720 --> 0:21:23.840 and that he was looking for anybody right that was 0:21:23.880 --> 0:21:27.199 going to answer the call to how to get this 0:21:27.400 --> 0:21:31.399 done by any means necessary. So you had this group 0:21:31.680 --> 0:21:35.919 that wanted to dub themselves Team Normal, which there was 0:21:35.960 --> 0:21:40.280 no actions that this administration took from the beginning until 0:21:40.320 --> 0:21:43.920 the end that should have ever been deemed as normal. Right. 0:21:44.080 --> 0:21:47.080 They broke every political norm that you could possibly ever 0:21:47.160 --> 0:21:52.159 think of. But then you had Team Coup, right, who 0:21:52.520 --> 0:21:57.359 believed in their minds that they are somehow somebody's patriot, 0:21:58.240 --> 0:22:01.840 that they're willing to take whatever is given so long 0:22:01.880 --> 0:22:05.639 as they keep their person in power. And so what 0:22:05.800 --> 0:22:10.920 does that say, Glenn about now? They're only halfway done. 0:22:10.960 --> 0:22:13.720 The House Commission is only halfway done in terms of 0:22:13.760 --> 0:22:18.440 the public hearings. The Department of Justice now has said, 0:22:18.480 --> 0:22:21.520 in no uncertain terms, give us all of your documents 0:22:21.840 --> 0:22:27.119 otherwise you're impeding. And a criminal investigation that was released 0:22:27.440 --> 0:22:30.359 you know as well, what are these things add up 0:22:30.400 --> 0:22:34.680 for you? And what should we be extracting from this 0:22:34.880 --> 0:22:37.760 back and forth that we are seeing. So yeah, I've 0:22:37.760 --> 0:22:41.960 got the letter here from the Department of Justice to 0:22:42.160 --> 0:22:47.359 Tim Heafy, one of my former RICO co council from 0:22:47.680 --> 0:22:51.040 the US Attorney in DC, Matt Graves and Matt Olson, 0:22:51.080 --> 0:22:54.840 who was also on the same RICO cases with Tim 0:22:54.840 --> 0:22:59.320 and I. What I take away from this is a 0:22:59.359 --> 0:23:03.239 couple of things. I think most importantly, The Department of 0:23:03.280 --> 0:23:07.080 Justice is in the grand jury investigating the insurrection, and 0:23:07.240 --> 0:23:09.800 they have been for a very long time. They make 0:23:09.880 --> 0:23:13.160 clear in this letter something we all know, at least 0:23:13.160 --> 0:23:15.600 those of us who come from the Department of Justice. 0:23:16.000 --> 0:23:19.600 That because the grand jury proceedings are secret by law, 0:23:20.480 --> 0:23:23.919 nobody knows what witnesses have gone into the grand jury. 0:23:24.000 --> 0:23:27.159 But as the letter makes clear, there's obviously lots of 0:23:27.280 --> 0:23:32.040 overlap between what DJ is investigating and what J six 0:23:32.240 --> 0:23:35.720 is investigating and what THEOJ is saying. I actually see 0:23:35.760 --> 0:23:39.719 this as a healthy back and forth between two coequal 0:23:39.760 --> 0:23:45.520 branches of government with both with both branches flexing their 0:23:45.640 --> 0:23:48.920 coequal muscle. And I can tell you how I think 0:23:48.920 --> 0:23:51.080 it ought to play out. But if I were in 0:23:51.119 --> 0:23:54.080 the DJUL, I would be making this request too. I 0:23:54.080 --> 0:23:59.120 would say, Look, we're gonna we're preparing to bring indictments, 0:23:59.240 --> 0:24:03.960 but we can't really fully vet the information and the 0:24:04.119 --> 0:24:07.720 testimony we're presenting to the grand jury from witnesses. If 0:24:07.760 --> 0:24:12.720 those witnesses also gave sworn testimony to you J six committee, 0:24:12.960 --> 0:24:17.480 we need it all before we're comfortable telling the grand jurors, okay, 0:24:17.760 --> 0:24:21.200 indict these people. And that's what they're trying to do. 0:24:21.240 --> 0:24:24.800 They want to collect up all of the sworn testimony 0:24:25.119 --> 0:24:29.119 of relevant witnesses so they can have complete confidence in 0:24:29.160 --> 0:24:32.359 their work product and what they're requesting the grand jury 0:24:32.440 --> 0:24:35.160 to do. Think about it. If a witness went into 0:24:35.200 --> 0:24:37.680 the grand jury and said one thing, but then there's 0:24:37.680 --> 0:24:42.280 an inconsistent transcript over in the J six Committee that 0:24:42.440 --> 0:24:47.240 could blow up a future prosecution. DJ is trying to 0:24:47.280 --> 0:24:50.120 do everything right and cross all its teas and dot 0:24:50.160 --> 0:24:52.560 all its eyes. I will continue to complain that they've 0:24:52.600 --> 0:24:55.920 taken far too long in my estimation seven time they're 0:24:55.960 --> 0:24:59.240 doing they say, look, we have prosecutions up and running 0:24:59.560 --> 0:25:03.639 that are being impacted by the very evidence we see 0:25:03.800 --> 0:25:08.760 unfolding in the public hearings. And the Department of Justice 0:25:08.840 --> 0:25:14.160 also takes seriously its responsibility to collect up any information 0:25:14.480 --> 0:25:18.240 that could be exculpatory to defendants, that could be helpful 0:25:18.280 --> 0:25:21.400 to defendants. That's called the Brady doctrine. The Supreme Court 0:25:21.440 --> 0:25:24.120 has said, if the government has evidence that could help 0:25:24.119 --> 0:25:30.680 a defendant, exonerated defendant, impact a defendant sentence, then constitutionally 0:25:30.800 --> 0:25:33.959 it must be given over. So I think they're also 0:25:34.080 --> 0:25:37.840 trying to collect up what they can from Congress and 0:25:37.920 --> 0:25:41.680 make sure that they satisfy their Brady obligations to all 0:25:41.720 --> 0:25:44.680 of the defendants that they're prosecuting. Let me just add, 0:25:44.680 --> 0:25:46.600 I don't want to make this a law school class 0:25:46.640 --> 0:25:50.600 that the Brady doctrine generally only applies to the executive 0:25:50.640 --> 0:25:55.119 branch because that's where the prosecutors and where law enforcement resides. 0:25:55.400 --> 0:25:59.560 There are cases that say, well, if there's exculpatory evidence, 0:25:59.600 --> 0:26:02.280 evidence that would help a defendant over there in the 0:26:02.800 --> 0:26:07.760 legislative branch, the executive branch doesn't really possess it. So 0:26:07.880 --> 0:26:12.240 Brady strictly speaking might not apply in full force, which 0:26:12.240 --> 0:26:14.119 doesn't matter. I can tell you I come from a 0:26:14.119 --> 0:26:18.199 culture of federal prosecutors where if we knew there was 0:26:18.240 --> 0:26:21.160 something that could help a defendant, we're giving it over 0:26:21.240 --> 0:26:22.840 because we don't want to. I don't want to be 0:26:22.880 --> 0:26:26.520 involved in convicting somebody like Senator Ted Stevens, only to 0:26:26.560 --> 0:26:31.520 have the appellate court overturn that conviction because prosecutors didn't 0:26:31.520 --> 0:26:34.640 give over the Brady evidence. So I think that's another 0:26:34.680 --> 0:26:37.639 piece of what's going on here. Why do you think, though, 0:26:38.520 --> 0:26:41.920 that it took them so long? Glenn, the Department of Justice, 0:26:41.960 --> 0:26:46.920 So why did they wait until here? We are in June. 0:26:47.040 --> 0:26:49.520 We knew, we all knew that the public hearings were 0:26:49.560 --> 0:26:52.880 starting in June. Why would they wait until this time 0:26:53.480 --> 0:26:58.600