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Speaker 1: M Welcome to the Day of the Lakers show on

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Speaker 1: dash Radio. This is the second half of the post

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Speaker 1: game spaces that we did after the Lakers lost up

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Speaker 1: in Portland. We were joined by Ruche, our friend from

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Speaker 1: Rockets Twitter, someone who's been through the Russell Westbrook experience

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Speaker 1: the same way that we all have and provides a

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Speaker 1: really unique perspective, and we touch base with him to

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Speaker 1: see what he thinks about what he's seen so far

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Speaker 1: and what we think about what we've seen so far

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Speaker 1: with Westbrook and talk about what could be potentially the

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Speaker 1: good version of this in the long run, and Russ

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Speaker 1: fitting in and helping the Lakers raise their ceiling. I

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Speaker 1: thought it was a really interesting discussion. Thank you guys

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Speaker 1: so much for supporting us. Enjoy the show, and we

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Speaker 1: will have a postgame show back on Monday after the

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Speaker 1: game with the Hornets. All right, I think a rouge.

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Speaker 1: Are you there? Yes, I am, dude. I I love

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Speaker 1: hearing these conversations because I've been through it and it's crazy.

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Speaker 1: It's just crazy to hear y'all sounding literally the exact

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Speaker 1: same way the Rockets fans felt. I'll say this, there's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a point when Lebron comes back where things

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Speaker 1: go up and y'all will probably hit a stretch where

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Speaker 1: it looks like it's really working, because that's the cycle, right,

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Speaker 1: Russ always starts off, you know, just kind of I

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Speaker 1: don't know, playing pretty much awful. Right even at Washington

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Speaker 1: started off awful and then it picked up and you know,

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Speaker 1: for they rode this stretch where it was like, oh hey,

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Speaker 1: this is working. Even in Houston, they had to trade

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Speaker 1: capella and and spread things out to give him the

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Speaker 1: space to work. But it started working, and then you know,

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Speaker 1: it inevitably dips again and just kind of crashes back

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Speaker 1: and regresses back to the mean. But it's crazy, man,

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Speaker 1: I mean he I think Jason nailed it on the head.

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Speaker 1: There's no finesse to his game. He used to be

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Speaker 1: a better jump shooter. He no longer gets that same lift,

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Speaker 1: so it's really a crapshoot um. And man, the turnovers

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Speaker 1: I think are just killers, because he'll have these nights

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Speaker 1: whatever it was, six turnovers, and then he'll come back

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Speaker 1: and we'll have one of those nights where he scores

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Speaker 1: like twenty seven points on twenty two shots. But the

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Speaker 1: downside of that is even when he's at his best,

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Speaker 1: it's still a game where he's barely being efficient. Right,

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Speaker 1: And I don't mean to sound all nerdy and all that,

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Speaker 1: but like at the end of the day, with the

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Speaker 1: volume of shots he's taking and the sheer amount of

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Speaker 1: possessions that are in Russell Westbrook's hands, you need him

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Speaker 1: to be efficient. And for the most party is not.

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Speaker 1: The only fixer is Lebron. I mean, if anyone's listening,

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Speaker 1: they should go listen to the pot. I did rage

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Speaker 1: with you and stay of the Lakers, you know a

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Speaker 1: few months ago or whatever it was kind of break

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Speaker 1: you down like that, the highs and the lows, Like

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Speaker 1: he's gonna he's going to have those moments where he

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Speaker 1: and his the killer for me, and what it seems

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Speaker 1: like is killing Lakers fans is that he won't adjust.

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Speaker 1: He just is what he is and you have to

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Speaker 1: deal with it. And oftentimes it feels like you're trying

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Speaker 1: to fit whatever the phrases, right, You're trying to fit

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Speaker 1: like a square peg into a roundhole. Like it just

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Speaker 1: doesn't work, you know. So I'm really curious to hear

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Speaker 1: do think that they're First of all, let's take one thing,

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Speaker 1: for for a certain year, Russ isn't going anywhere. He's

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Speaker 1: going to be a Laker at least for the rest

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Speaker 1: of the season. There's just no conceivable way that they

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Speaker 1: assuming that, and then also acknowledging the small ways he

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Speaker 1: about twelve shots for thirty six minutes, and that go

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Speaker 1: when Lebron's off the floor. So he does temper back

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Speaker 1: mean there is a world where you know, Lebron's playing

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Speaker 1: it works out kind of as as people had envisioned

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Speaker 1: but like Ken Russ, because we talked about this in

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Speaker 1: different in those Houston teams because you guys traded Capella

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Speaker 1: if it's just like him, a D and three shooters,

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Speaker 1: Do you think that's something they can kind of build

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Speaker 1: There's gonna be nice where he goes, you know, psycho

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Speaker 1: definitely happens. And he tends to get on a streak

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Speaker 1: kind of on every aspect. Offensively, the way he gets

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Speaker 1: I do think you also need to find the right lineup.

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Speaker 1: position where it's easy tole off of him, then it

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Speaker 1: can be more dangerous than if he's tucked somewhere else

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Speaker 1: on the floor where he can maybe be a better

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Speaker 1: offensive rebounding threat. Or we saw in the Memphis game

433
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Speaker 1: they used him as a screener and got a bunch

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Speaker 1: of good looks out of having him basically played the

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Speaker 1: Draymond role anticipating them trapping Lebron at the top. So like,

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Speaker 1: I'm not as concerned about the dynamic of how that

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Speaker 1: can work in crunch time. Where where I would have

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Speaker 1: been really concerned is if in those games, in those

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Speaker 1: high leverage moments, Russ co opted the ball from Lebron

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Speaker 1: too much, which which he did it. For the record,

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Speaker 1: we have not had a game yet this year where

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Speaker 1: Lebron was healthy, the game was close and Russ took

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Speaker 1: the ball out of his hands and did something stupid

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Speaker 1: that has not happened this year for the record, so

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Speaker 1: that would be the red lining for the record. By

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Speaker 1: the way, he the highest two point field goal percentage

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Speaker 1: of his career was in Houston. Sounds right, and he

448
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Speaker 1: led the league this season. I think, according to what

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Speaker 1: looking at in two point attempts as well, um, that

450
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Speaker 1: was the He's only had two seasons in his career

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Speaker 1: where his two point field goal percentage was above and

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Speaker 1: that was one of them. Um. The other one was

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Speaker 1: two thousand, two thousand, sixteen, So I think that's the key.

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Speaker 1: The other thing that I don't see disgusted enough. And

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Speaker 1: maybe it's just on my end, but Um the killer man,

456
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Speaker 1: and it's another thing, like I hear you'll talk about habits, right,

457
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Speaker 1: you need to get used to the idea that he's

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Speaker 1: his habits are there and that's just what it is.

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00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,280
Speaker 1: You get good nights, sometimes you wanna get bad nights.

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Speaker 1: The saving grace could be Lebron maybe, like you know,

461
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Speaker 1: that whole cliche of Lebron being in his ear is

462
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Speaker 1: actually going to materialize and come to fruition and he'll

463
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Speaker 1: start changing his habits. But I can tell you for

464
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Speaker 1: sure in Houston he did not like that they tried

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Speaker 1: to change the way he played, and that was part

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Speaker 1: of why he asked out. Um. He was just like, look,

467
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Speaker 1: I want to get back to playing my style of

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Speaker 1: ball with the ball in my hands, doing what I do.

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Speaker 1: And so I think the one person he'd listened to

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Speaker 1: is Lebron. But whenever you'll talk about changing habits, you

471
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Speaker 1: need to just kind of get used to the fact

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Speaker 1: that that might not happen. But the other killer with

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Speaker 1: him is um free throw percentage man. It's he's become Unfortunately,

474
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Speaker 1: somehow he's become such a bad free throw shooter. In

475
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Speaker 1: the later stages of his career, he used to be

476
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Speaker 1: and above pretty much guaranteed um. And you know, now

477
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Speaker 1: what this season he's in Houston, it was bad and

478
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Speaker 1: he got up to at one point, but Washington, you know,

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Speaker 1: So that's the other thing I think. I think the

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Speaker 1: fundamentals are obvious inability to shoot and spread the floor,

481
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Speaker 1: defensive lapses, and then he misses free throws and he

482
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Speaker 1: doesn't get there near enough um to kind of compensate

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Speaker 1: for some of the weaknesses on offense. And you talked

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Speaker 1: about like him changing in Houston. I thought like something

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Speaker 1: we talked about also on the part was like he

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Speaker 1: just stopped shooting threes right in Houston as well, Like

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Speaker 1: I think he just he took his least amount of

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Speaker 1: threes in Houston, especially after they traded Capella, so that

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Speaker 1: kind of pushed him up into a bunch of two

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Speaker 1: points legal percentages. And that's what I thought he would

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Speaker 1: do here and maybe that just hasn't happened. And again

492
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Speaker 1: we talked about like I didn't think Russell Westbrook was

493
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Speaker 1: gonna change, but like I think marginal kind of changes

494
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Speaker 1: would have had a big impact on this team. I've

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Speaker 1: seen it in spots here and there on the games

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Speaker 1: that Lebron has played, but definitely when Lebron's out, he's

497
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Speaker 1: back to his just oldt usage or whatever. And we said,

498
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Speaker 1: that's just not conductive to winning. Like it's it's been

499
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Speaker 1: proven throughout his career. You give Russell Westbrook the ball

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Speaker 1: for a million possessions, you're not gonna win at a

501
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Speaker 1: high enough clip, at least to what this team wants

502
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Speaker 1: to go to. But with Lebron, I think you can

503
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 1: drop that usage down. And again, that's not great for

504
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Speaker 1: a guy who you know, makes the money he does

505
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Speaker 1: that takes the salad scot that he does, but that's

506
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Speaker 1: just what it is right now. And like like you said, Jason,

507
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Speaker 1: like at the end of games, it's been pretty clear

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Speaker 1: he's not gonna have the ball in his hands like

509
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Speaker 1: that's that's been clear for a lot of a lot

510
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Speaker 1: of the late game situations. So maybe that's just something

511
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Speaker 1: that I'm optimistic about. Maybe I'm foolishly optimistic about, but

512
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Speaker 1: that's where I think Lebron comes in and really helps

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Speaker 1: to solidify his role, even though I still see him

514
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Speaker 1: as like a star, like solidified his his role a

515
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 1: little bit there. That's why I'm less worried about it

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Speaker 1: is it's just there's the what you need from Russ

517
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 1: becomes so much less when this team is put together.

518
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Speaker 1: And if it's not going to be put together because

519
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 1: the injuries, then they were never going to contend for

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00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 1: the championship anyway. And I I am a little bit

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Speaker 1: more optimistic about Russ in the Dennis Shrewder role than

522
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Speaker 1: I am in the co star role. And he was

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Speaker 1: in the co star role in Houston, and he was

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Speaker 1: in the co star role in in Washington. And you know,

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Speaker 1: Trush's point, like if it becomes a personal beef for

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Speaker 1: him where it's like I want to go play my

527
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 1: style of ball, then yeah, that could be a problem.

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Speaker 1: But dude, like you'd have to be some special kind

529
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Speaker 1: of lack of self awareness to to be in the

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Speaker 1: same walker room with with Lebron and a d and

531
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Speaker 1: be like give me the ball, you know, Like like, so,

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Speaker 1: I I don't know. I I that like I said

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Speaker 1: from the very beginning, I'll just repeat that, like I

534
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Speaker 1: I am really frustrated every time I watched him. However,

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Speaker 1: I'm probably one of the more optimistic Laker fans in

536
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 1: terms of what it could be. Um, when this all

537
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 1: comes together, well, I mean, last point I'll say is

538
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Speaker 1: I'm kind of just driving home everything I said. But

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Speaker 1: I think Houston had the blueprint post Capella trade. Um.

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Speaker 1: I already talked about his two point percentage being the

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Speaker 1: highest of his career. His overall field goal percentage in

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Speaker 1: Houston was also the highest of his career, and the

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Speaker 1: next high it was forty seven. The next highest of

544
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Speaker 1: his career was two thousand eleven to twelve forty five

545
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Speaker 1: point seven percent. So that's pretty drastic in my opinions. UM.

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Speaker 1: And then when you but when you drop his field

547
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Speaker 1: goal attempts to what right now he's at eighteen point

548
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 1: eight when he's only hitting of those, that's where you

549
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 1: get into trouble, right because he's not shooting well. He's

550
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 1: not shooting well from three. And then it all kind

551
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: of just like adds on to itself. And also his

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Speaker 1: three point attempts in Houston, we're the lowest since two

553
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Speaker 1: thousand thirteen to two thousand fourteen. So since two that

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00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 1: thirteen and fourteen, he has not been below four attempts

555
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: per game except for the season in Houston when he

556
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: shot three point seven, so you have to just get

557
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: him on a track where he's bought in, focused on

558
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: just using his skill to get to the rim. Houston

559
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: treated him his I so possessions and Bully drives to

560
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: the basket as like a post up. Like I said earlier, Um,

561
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: it was like their version of you know, points in

562
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 1: the paint inside offense and there was a stretch where

563
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: it was really working and like it was on fire.

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Speaker 1: So I think that is possible with the Lakers. You know,

565
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: bro on the same page. Cool man, Well, I appreciate it.

566
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Speaker 1: So y'all to thank you for stopping by. This was fun.

567
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 1: You're you're probably the perfect guy for us to talk

568
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 1: to you about this. He just you. You're You're the

569
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: You're the person that's like leading that that group therapy

570
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 1: session who's actually been through everything. You're the perfect guy

571
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: to be like tell me how you really feel. I'm

572
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: telling you both, it's a it is a trip watching

573
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: you guys like literally mirror the entire Rockets Twitter. You know,

574
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: It's like I'm watching you'll go on the roller coaster

575
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: and I just want to like tell you, like, hey,

576
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: this is how it's gonna be it's gonna be okay

577
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: until it's not. But you have Lebron, so I think ultimately,

578
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 1: I think it will be okay still. And if you

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Speaker 1: haven't listened to the one with the Rush hopped on

580
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 1: our pod a couple of days, I think before the

581
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: season started, a lot of that stuff kind of foreshadowed

582
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: what we're seeing now, So i'd recommend everyone to go

583
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: listen to it if you haven't, Rush appreciate you coming

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Speaker 1: up though, Man, Thanks you appreciated baby. Have a good night, man,

585
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: thank you too. Yeah, and we'll we'll take the I'll

586
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Speaker 1: take the link from that show, the one that Rush

587
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: was on, and I'll share it underneath this one for

588
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: anybody that wants to see it. But hey, we're gonna

589
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 1: call it tonight guys, because it's already here. But we'll

590
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: be back Monday night and we will take more callers.

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00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: So if we didn't get to you tonight, I'm sorry,

592
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: but we will get to here on Monday. We got

593
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: a long season and head too, so just keep coming

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Speaker 1: back and requesting and we'll get as many of you

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00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 1: guys up as we can. This will be airing on

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Speaker 1: Dash for Video on Monday morning at seven am and

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Speaker 1: we'll be on our podcast feed here in about thirty minutes.

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Speaker 1: As always, we sincerely appreciate your guys support and we

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Speaker 1: will see you on Monday night. Thanks everyone,