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Speaker 1: Hi, what u bomb? Doug Gottleiband, Welcome in. You're listening

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Speaker 1: to All Ball And this is part three of Mike

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Speaker 1: Procopio and Mike, of course is it was the video

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Speaker 1: scout for Kobe Bryant and part three this gets deep

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Speaker 1: into the deep, deep into the uh the stuff with

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Speaker 1: with Kobe pretty awesome and when we last a part

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Speaker 1: two if you missed it, revolve around at the end

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Speaker 1: Shaquille O'Neil first time you met Shack. If you missed that,

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Speaker 1: download part two. But I do want to get to

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Speaker 1: this this Kyrie Irving stuff because at the time that

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Speaker 1: this drops, Kyrie has asked for and received permission to

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Speaker 1: UH seek a signing trade, and to this point no

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Speaker 1: one has stepped up. But I don't know if he

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Speaker 1: comes with the Lakers. But here's here's what I can

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Speaker 1: tell you that we have this tendency to at players

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Speaker 1: simply based upon their skill. And that's great, okay, because

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Speaker 1: in football that kind of works, in baseball, that kind

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Speaker 1: of works. In basketball, it doesn't work. You have to

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Speaker 1: people ask all the time at my kids at work,

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Speaker 1: what do you love about basketball? Every part about it?

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Speaker 1: I love that you have to have five guys actually

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Speaker 1: working together at both ends of the court. And you

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Speaker 1: have to have guys that can come in and that

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Speaker 1: can work with the guys that are already in there,

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Speaker 1: and you have to have a coach who understands how

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Speaker 1: to motivate different people and get them to all play together.

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Speaker 1: And then you have to stop or be better than

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Speaker 1: another team who's trying to do the exact same thing.

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Speaker 1: It's an incredible sport. But if we've learned anything about

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Speaker 1: the NBA, the guys that are the most talented, and

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Speaker 1: really for the NFL as well, the guy is the

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Speaker 1: most talented. Now, I don't always win, don't often win,

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Speaker 1: don't often win. So I think this is a fascinating

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Speaker 1: thought on Kyrie Irving, and a lot of the league

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Speaker 1: seems to be saying like, you know, thanks, but no thanks.

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Speaker 1: Now we should factor in that Kyrie Irving, he doesn't

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Speaker 1: just want to sign a trade. He wants to sign

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Speaker 1: a max contract and then you can trade me. You know,

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Speaker 1: if you said, hey, I'll do a sign trade, but

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Speaker 1: I'm assigned for ten million dollars to be a two

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Speaker 1: year deal, I'm sure everybody would sign up a lot

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Speaker 1: more teams to sign up for that. But when you

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Speaker 1: factor in the comments that he made, the NBA is

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Speaker 1: not blind, effor dumb. They heard him say we don't

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Speaker 1: really need a head coach. They've seen how many times

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Speaker 1: he's been injured, They've watched how many times he's gone

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Speaker 1: often done his own thing defensively, and they're telling you.

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Speaker 1: No one is saying Kyrie Irving isn't an incredible talent. Nobody,

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Speaker 1: because that would be blasphey, that was a real stupid

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Speaker 1: He's remarkably talented. But can you win with him? Right?

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Speaker 1: Can you win with him? That's the difference. Can you

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Speaker 1: win with Kyrie Irving? And as much as we could say, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, Lebron one with him before he did, he

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Speaker 1: definitely won with him before. But they were down three one,

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Speaker 1: Andrew Boga got hurt, Draymond Green got suspended, they both

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Speaker 1: played incredible basketball. They needed a great block shot and

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Speaker 1: unbelievable three to beat the Golden State Warriors. And Lebron

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Speaker 1: liked it so much. He was the one who said

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Speaker 1: I wanted somebody else, I wanted he. The reason Kyrie

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Speaker 1: left was Lebron wanted to replace him after they won

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Speaker 1: a championship. What does that tell you the best, the

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Speaker 1: most talented players don't always win, and you could even

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Speaker 1: say don't often win, and that, I believe is one

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Speaker 1: of the telltale signs of what's up with Kyrie Irving.

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Speaker 1: He's unbelievably talented, remarkable skilled. You don't get that good

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Speaker 1: unless you work incredibly hard. But all that other stuff.

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Speaker 1: Who That's why it makes it really hard for any

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Speaker 1: of these gms to say, yeah, I'll sign up for that.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get to Mike and catch up. Here's

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Speaker 1: part three of my discussion with Mike procopio. Whatever happened

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Speaker 1: to Eggie mccraige. He went to so Eggie, which I

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Speaker 1: was definitely afraid of because he was just this First

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Speaker 1: of all, he went to a million high schools and

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Speaker 1: like he played for Leo in like he ended up

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Speaker 1: going to supposed to go to let me see, yeah, Redemption,

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Speaker 1: Christian supposed to go to un l V, went to Redemption,

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Speaker 1: Christian didn't qualify, went to Dixie, got in trouble at Dixie,

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Speaker 1: TAP and finishing up a you tap and then like

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Speaker 1: I remember you know. I'm sure. I'm sure you played

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Speaker 1: on a team or two of those. Like those teams

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Speaker 1: played the college teams in the preseason. Yeah, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: I turned around. I'm like, you're playing out there, like

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Speaker 1: down my feet hurt. I ain't playing And I was like,

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Speaker 1: ah fuck, and then, uh, you appreciate this My first

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Speaker 1: my first team after college. It was in the USBL.

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Speaker 1: I love the US. So they had a team in End, Oklahoma, Okay,

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Speaker 1: and uh Brian Gates was our coach's assistant the NBA.

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Speaker 1: Brian Gates, Yeah, okay, and he's like me, he's a grinders,

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Speaker 1: grinder and he actually I can't remember that there was

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Speaker 1: right with Hanker. Probably no UM anyway, So uh, remember

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Speaker 1: I never get this for and uh that my dad

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Speaker 1: told me I said that I called him and it

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Speaker 1: wasn't need it and need him was like an hour

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Speaker 1: from still Water, and we had five Oklahoma State guys

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Speaker 1: on our team. I was like the number one overall

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Speaker 1: Willie Burton, yeah nin' picking the draft an NBA game, Okay,

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Speaker 1: we had um Bubba Wells led the country scoring with

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Speaker 1: a snow Valley. So great story with Bubba Wells. Portland's

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Speaker 1: used to go to Snow Valley. Yes, and they used

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Speaker 1: to put college guys to work as counselors and write

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Speaker 1: him out draft type guys Marcus Fizer and stuff that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: go ahead, So Bubba Wells goot. Okay, Bubba Wells. Uh

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Speaker 1: le Bradford Smith. But Bradford Smith, I know the name Louisville, Louisa,

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Speaker 1: Louisa Louisa. Bradford Smith is the one who gave Jordan's

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Speaker 1: then the reporters made it up like he was talking

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Speaker 1: shipped to Jordan's and George's like all right. They played

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Speaker 1: and Jordan game thirty one in the first half the

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Speaker 1: next night right, and was talking ship to him the

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Speaker 1: whole time, and he want meet Jordan by the way.

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Speaker 1: Huh you meet Jordan by the way. Yes, So my

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Speaker 1: dad was text Winners assistant at Long Beach State. Okay,

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Speaker 1: though I met Jordan's his rookie year. They stayed at

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Speaker 1: the airport Marriott. I mean, this is like, this is

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Speaker 1: I was a little kid. I was like, what are

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Speaker 1: you listening to? And he goes nothing, he goes, he

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Speaker 1: him on if he will leave me alone, if I

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Speaker 1: don't have mom, everybody comes up to you. I was like,

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Speaker 1: that's amazing. That was That was my take away from it.

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Speaker 1: And then I worked his camp at my year of

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Speaker 1: I worked at like three four years in Santa Barbara

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Speaker 1: and it was phenomenal and he was he was he

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Speaker 1: oh he like some Irish bar, right I guess oh?

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Speaker 1: but the social part to it, like I was, I

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Speaker 1: I was so focused on basketball, Like, wait, Michael Jordan's

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Speaker 1: go to Snow Valley and the coaches will be like, look,

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Speaker 1: camp is awful as far as the basketball, but MJ

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Speaker 1: I was like George, like these college councilors don't do

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Speaker 1: structured workouts like we do Nike. So we ended up

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Speaker 1: doing the structural workouts and funk, what are But the

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Speaker 1: biggest thing from that camp that I took is like

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Speaker 1: everybody would ask m J for ship like shoes, money,

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Speaker 1: and I remember I turned around MG and Michael, do

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Speaker 1: you mind if we talk footwork because I'm a big

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Speaker 1: the guy was a master at it and talking to Kobe.

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Speaker 1: Kobe was a little bit more open, but MJ like

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Speaker 1: as far as being introverted a little bit, yes, but

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at me and you're like, no,

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Speaker 1: and I'm from West Coast, had a little swack people.

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Speaker 1: So I got I was in the second game, and

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Speaker 1: I'll never forget. Like I remember, I came down the lane,

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Speaker 1: and he kind of just like faked at me. And

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Speaker 1: it was basically like that you can't be They'll be

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Speaker 1: I run the concert venue, Mohagan Sun. I used to

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00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 1: be a boxer, so we started with boxing. We do concerts.

426
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 1: I was like, no ship, Yeah, so hey, can I

427
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 1: get your numbers in case? Like just a show you

428
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,200
Speaker 1: no problem. So I happen to go home and look

429
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:23,399
Speaker 1: up and like Darius is opening for Rascal Flats and

430
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,679
Speaker 1: I was like, I like Rascal Flats all right, but

431
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 1: I love Darius without question. So I call him. I

432
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,160
Speaker 1: was like, Hey, I'm in Uh, Darius Rucker is coming

433
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 1: in like two months. Could I could I get some tickets?

434
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 1: And you know, like I don't want to do the

435
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 1: meet and Greek, but if I could just go and

436
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,920
Speaker 1: shake his hand, like that would make my make my world.

437
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 1: He's like, he's like, let me see on the Darius part.

438
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 1: No problem the tickets. So we get out, we go

439
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 1: down there, and you know, for the opening act, we're

440
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 1: sitting and it's a It's with the Sun play a

441
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,679
Speaker 1: Connecticut sun play right and the Mohican Arena. And so

442
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 1: he's at the end and we're sitting in the first

443
00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 1: level of seats, and right before the last song, he's like, Hey,

444
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,880
Speaker 1: it's great to be back in Connecticut. Uh, my guy,

445
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 1: Eric Cacilius is here. I've co hosted Mike and Mike

446
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 1: with him. Shout out to everybody at ESPN. And then

447
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 1: he goes and hey, uh, Doug Gottleib is here. You

448
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 1: guys listen to Doug Godley. I I listened to Doug

449
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 1: go every afternoon when I'm picking up my kids from school,

450
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 1: Like he goes, I literallyst and it's it's awesome to

451
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 1: have him here, and and uh, you know, I'm getting elbowed.

452
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, I had no idea unbelievable, right, like so

453
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 1: um so uh I uh so. Then my buddy comes

454
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 1: out and grabs me as he's singing his last song,

455
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 1: and I'm like waiting out there, you know, like fan boy,

456
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 1: and he's like, Buddy, you'll be out in the second. Buddy.

457
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 1: Buddy's just like a little swoll up black dude who's

458
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 1: his bodyguard. I think I've met him. I think I've

459
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,640
Speaker 1: met him. Great, just do whatever, right. And he called

460
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:58,160
Speaker 1: him Whitey at the time because because when when Darius

461
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 1: co hosted Mike and Mike, they did a it was

462
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 1: like Thanksgiving time and they did a uh pumpkin pie

463
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 1: or sweet potato pie, and Buddy was like a pumpkin

464
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,640
Speaker 1: pie and they were like, dude, black, No black dude

465
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 1: should ever say punkin pie over steep potato pie. Everybody

466
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:18,879
Speaker 1: knows that punkin pie is for white people. Because I

467
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 1: called him whitey anyway, So I go back there, say

468
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 1: He's like, the de'll see you now. So I go

469
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 1: back and I was like, uh, he's like from the

470
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 1: back of his like big dress rooms, like dog and

471
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 1: like there is it's like, hold up, my man comes,

472
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: sit down. I got money on Lakers sons and a

473
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 1: halftime line I took the over. It's you know whatever,

474
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's like it's a hundred and two.

475
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,640
Speaker 1: Hold up, it's gonna be close, right. And since then

476
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 1: we've been like we've been really good friends. I come

477
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,479
Speaker 1: to a show, it's he's an amazing, mazing so and

478
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 1: I don't know Darius is gonna get mad for me

479
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 1: telling this story. But one time we're talking, we're having beers,

480
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 1: were watching, We're watching I think Lakers thunder in the

481
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 1: playoffs in his tour bus. Also he can say and

482
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: he goes, Scottie Pippen, mostly overrated player in NBA history,

483
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 1: and I go, thank you. Now, look, I love Scottie Pippen,

484
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: I love the Bulls, But like Scotti, Pippen was a really, really,

485
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: really a great role player, right, And everybody says, well, hey,

486
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,919
Speaker 1: the first year without Jordan, they were like, yeah, okay,

487
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 1: don't want to dumpster five. Second year they were a

488
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: dumpster five. And then we're not taking account everything else

489
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: that was going on in the Eastern Conference, you know,

490
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 1: and the fact it was a you know, um, so

491
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 1: my thing is, I would agree with you. I think

492
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 1: he's a he's the greatest role player of all time.

493
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,679
Speaker 1: He was the perfect fit for how they played defensively

494
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: out and he didn't he had at the time, he

495
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: didn't have the right ego. And what's happened is because

496
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 1: Jordan told the truth about him. Jordan I think oversold

497
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: who he was, right, and that Jordan's first he told

498
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 1: the shoot like, hey man, he quit on the team.

499
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,400
Speaker 1: He was all bent up about the contract. He should

500
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 1: have got surgery early, and so you know, to balance

501
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: it out. He's like greatest teammate ever had blah blah

502
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. Right, like he's a great player. I Darius,

503
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: and I would agree with you. Now. My thing for

504
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 1: Darius and he'll never tell, but he told me who

505
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 1: it is. I said, who's the Scottie Pippen of music.

506
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: He's like, oh, ship right, the guy who rode the

507
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: coattails with somebody really really good. Anyway, your Scottie Pippen

508
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 1: is or you want you're going, I would say, Scottie

509
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: Pippen you know, like I would say Bill Walton because

510
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: of his injury stuff, but like he's I think people

511
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 1: like overrate him because I think they want to see

512
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: what he would have been without injury. But I think

513
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 1: that he was the MVP before injury. But that's yes, yes,

514
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: and that's why I don't think he's overrated like that.

515
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 1: I think that Scottie Pippen being like everyone thinking like

516
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: he's in the top. Sometimes you hear about again I

517
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 1: don't care, but sometimes you think about being him in

518
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: the top thirty players. Are you fucking kidding me? Like,

519
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: like you gotta be able to harry a fucking team.

520
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: Barkley could carry a fucking guest Carmel and carry a team.

521
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 1: Claude Drexler carry a fucking team. And I think in

522
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: Ray Allen before he was carry a team to success. Yes, Harry,

523
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: team is success. Harry said to carry a team to success, yeah,

524
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 1: and I don't think. I don't think Petin can do that.

525
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: Was he a great defender, yes, for sure, like Kobe.

526
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: Kobe would study films of him defensively, like you know,

527
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,880
Speaker 1: he much respect on his defense. But as far as

528
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 1: carrying a team to know, in Gess, I don't think

529
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 1: he did. Nah funk that, So I don't think and

530
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: you know, and then and then him just like yeah

531
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: he did sort of quick and MJO. He's going to

532
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: protect people to a point, but he's gonna tell you

533
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: the truth. And you know that's what he did. He

534
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: told the truth. And the image can you imagine that

535
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: like a dude like he the idea that you would

536
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: not want to go into a game at the end

537
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: of a playoff game because the play wasn't drawn up

538
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: for you. It's a look, be pissed all you want.

539
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: I get it. You're a competitor. But competitors they have

540
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: to draw the line. Is my actions fucking my team up?

541
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: And if you know it's sucking your team up, yet

542
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: you continue to do it, then you're fucking selfish. You're selfish,

543
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: and I don't give a funk that you're mad at

544
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: that point you check yourself out of a game. Again,

545
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: we talked about the Toronto thing. That's wrong for sure,

546
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: because you're asked to be in a game and you

547
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: check yourself out, that is not right for sure. And

548
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: he did that and he broke a fucking code. And

549
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: he is the most overrated superstar I've ever seen in

550
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 1: my life. Now now it is great. Um have you

551
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: seen Kad Holder, Yes, I have, and I'm not I'm

552
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: not buying. I think he's one of the most skilled

553
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: big men I've ever seen. But that body, to me,

554
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: I'm not a doctor at all, but the was the legs.

555
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: Forget about the upper body, because like Durant had a

556
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: really skinny upper body when he came in, and through

557
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: strength and maintenance he's figured out how to be strong

558
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: enough to be a great NBA player. The legs to me,

559
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: you know, he saw the same thing in Prosingis and

560
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: Porzingis works his fucking ass off for in the weight

561
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: room to try to get big. But when those legs

562
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 1: are that skinny, I I know, it takes you back

563
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,719
Speaker 1: to Sambowie. It takes me back to a lot of stuff.

564
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: And again I'm not. I don't have no crystal ball.

565
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 1: I'm not a doctor. I have no idea, but I

566
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: am not buying that. I would probably take Jabari Smith.

567
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: I'm not a huge draft g. I'm not studying it.

568
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: Before when I see I like him and the Pablo guy, Polo,

569
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:47,239
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Paulo. Yeah, it reminds me of like um

570
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: um fuck place for Philly from Tennessee. Um yeah, Jabias

571
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: Harris a little bit, but again maybe I'm wrong yet

572
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: bigger like a scorer could play four four yeah, scoring

573
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: scoring for scoring machine. And you know, I think I

574
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: think the risky pick is is checked. Which I'm with you,

575
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: Like I sat next to a pretty well known GM.

576
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: I could text you it was no, no, don't he

577
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: goes he's a fucking hunchback, Like I just I've never

578
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: seen a hunchback. And he goes in shoulders of this wide.

579
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know how you I don't know

580
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: enough about strength, you know, but how do you get

581
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: a guy's shoulders wide? Like? Can he play five at

582
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: that spot? I don't know? Can he play four? Yes?

583
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: He's skilled, but like, yeah there was there was a

584
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: lot of presingas there's some Presingkis talk Jabari is Jabari

585
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 1: checks the list of you know, Dad was a player

586
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: Dad is. His mentality is great. Who wants the ball

587
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: in big spots. He loves to get to those elbow

588
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: I so as first at all, he likes to play defense.

589
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: You know, he settles a little bit too much for

590
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 1: jump shots instead of getting you know, getting getting nasty

591
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: and getting downhill. We played big, we played more perimeter

592
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: in your opinion or does it matter? Two through four?

593
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: Two through four? But it's not like them out of

594
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: bio where he's like, uh four that could step out

595
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: and play. He's a three like you do you you think

596
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: he's more to three than you know, but he and

597
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: like he plays, He'll play in the post, he plays

598
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: in the elbow. I mean, he's like a modern that's

599
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: what a six nine modern players plays like. You know.

600
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: He detects all those boxes. And he's a year younger

601
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: than Paula, so that that that I think helps him

602
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: chats the heart of them. And then you got a

603
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: Nivy who's just a freak athlete, kind of has a

604
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: weird persona kind of weird. I watched him at Perdue.

605
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: I look, I thought he was good. But when people

606
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: were talking about inklings of a first pick in the draft,

607
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, I didn't see that. But in these drafts,

608
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, you want to come up.

609
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: You just want to like, you want to come up

610
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: with a player that's not gonna fail that I have

611
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: a chance to be a starter, has to be a

612
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: top three guy. Because there's not a lot of these

613
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: guys that are like bona fide number one's every you know,

614
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: in every draft anymore. So it's like it's hard to pick,

615
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: but maybe a guy you're you'd like, and obviously, uh,

616
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: Keegan Murray's the guy that that you yeah, for sure,

617
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: kind of a Sam Perkins sort of game, you know,

618
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: And he's not a guy with a lot of a

619
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: lot of ship to him, right like in terms of

620
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: like he doesn't overhandle it, like he gets and he

621
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: shoots it, he goes, he pulls up good teammate. I

622
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: don't know, he doesn't have I don't He's probably not

623
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: the ceiling of a I V if he hits, or

624
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: of a Chat if he hits, or a Jabari if

625
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: he hits. But like that dude's gonna be fifteen and

626
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: eight in the league and maybe on the right team

627
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: twenty to twenty two, you know, if he really keeps

628
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: getting going, because he also keeps improving as well. So

629
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: that's one of the in terms of the style of

630
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: basketball and the brain, the efficiency and the dad was

631
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: a player and being a grown up like all those things.

632
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: He's got. No, it's all good, and these teams gotta

633
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: because look, twenty five of these teams have no fucking chance, right,

634
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: twenty four of these teams, like, the only thing you

635
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: have is player development and player evaluation. Like I read

636
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 1: this book Dollar Sign on the Muscle was about a

637
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: baseball scouting book about the Phillies scouting department in the

638
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 1: late seventies early eighties, like Schmidt and all those guys,

639
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: and it was fantastic to me how they talked about

640
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: how important talent evaluation and and player development was even

641
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: back then, And it got me thinking about NBA in

642
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: college especially. But but college being all this transfer porta bullshit,

643
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: Like it's hard to really develop a team. But you've

644
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: gotta be able to get into a gym as an

645
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: organization and a pickout talent and then be able to

646
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 1: keep your head above water, keep on hitting these drafts,

647
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: and then maybe put yourself in position where if you

648
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: have cap room and the right guy says, you know what,

649
00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: they're a winning team. They've got all these winning players.

650
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,800
Speaker 1: Let's go, that's what you do. But all these fucking

651
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: teams fucked this thing up. Either their player developed usually

652
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: their talent evaluations decent, but the player development is fucking

653
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: Usually a nightmare, you know. And that's and that's where

654
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: these fucking guys dropped the ball, you know. Yeah, Hey man,

655
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: I really even more than gracious with your time appreciation Again,

656
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: How can people get get your service in terms of

657
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 1: they for you to do that the scouting for them? Yeah,

658
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 1: throw me, Throw me an email Mike at who consultants

659
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: dot com? Social Media? Who consultants? Um, go to my website.

660
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: Who consultant www dot who consultants dot com? You saved,

661
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: and you saved. Those Kobe emails they do and nobody

662
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: will ever read them. But there's about I thought there

663
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: was about like there's like five thousand emails and just

664
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 1: reading first of all, brings me to tears almost every

665
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: time I do it. Second, it's just like talking about

666
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: things and talking about years in Like I remember once, Um,

667
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: I remember once he emailed me back on something and

668
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: like he he had an unbelievable game and he told

669
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: me it's that was out of Oscar fucking Schmidt's playbook.

670
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 1: I mean, dude, the guy like we would like sit.

671
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: I remember one of the last times I was with

672
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: him two thousand and eleven, and where um he flew

673
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: me out because Mike Brown just took over the team.

674
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: It was right it was November. It was right after

675
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: right before they broke the stoppage to play. They the

676
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: work stoppage. They had the right the lockout, and he

677
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,720
Speaker 1: wanted to go over a his film be go over

678
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: like Mike Brown's playbook of that like San Antonio Ship,

679
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: and you know, like we would sit for hours. First

680
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: of all, he played me the piano, which I like

681
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: he self. He said he self taught himself and I

682
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: do believe it. And then like he would be, oh,

683
00:36:58,239 --> 00:36:59,760
Speaker 1: I got a great one for you in this story

684
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: and the trip. So like we would talk about players

685
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:04,800
Speaker 1: for I was talking about the game for I was

686
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: talking about godshamn God, talk about like Lamaro and Tracy

687
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: McGrady in high school, talk about these role players. On

688
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: top of talking about great players like a you like

689
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:19,399
Speaker 1: you know Sunny Hill and Philly, talking about like all

690
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 1: this KMC seventies sixers, when they had like um, when

691
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 1: they had uh, what's his name? From Casey, they had

692
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,959
Speaker 1: like Corey mcgetty, They had um, who's the fucking guy

693
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: that came out from Hargrave never made it? The big

694
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: guy six seven? Um brillly on young Coon Young like

695
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: those things, like he just wants to talk about Bob Gibbons,

696
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 1: like Tom Ponshowski want to talk about like the guy

697
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: was phenomenal also on that trip. So he brought me

698
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,240
Speaker 1: out where I broke down all the film talked about.

699
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 1: Mike Brown talking about playbook worked him out. He tried

700
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: to take into some places at Irvine and workout. They

701
00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: had all these cages in it. I said, kaybe, we

702
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: can't work out here. They're momen have corner shots. I

703
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: don't even know what what is it momentous I think maybe,

704
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: and we can't call Missy May. It's got like a

705
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:13,800
Speaker 1: million courts, not even courts, they're like cages. It's weird,

706
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 1: like it was an Irvine. We left right away. He goes,

707
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: all right, we could work out of the j c C.

708
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,320
Speaker 1: And this is like that's where that's literally where I

709
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: go kids at now, So here you love this one.

710
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: Social media was just coming out then, like Twitter was there.

711
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: Actually that week was the famous week where he started

712
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: his account, tweeted one thing, and fucking deleted his account

713
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 1: until a few years back. But so he goes, We're

714
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 1: gonna work out of the j c C. I say, KB,

715
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 1: are you out of your fucking mind? No, nobody, nobody,

716
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,439
Speaker 1: nobody actually knows that place exist. Well it did. I said,

717
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 1: I guarantee you will be on TMZ. He goes, Mike,

718
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: that's fucking preposterous. We're not. So we pull up in

719
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: the back. They obviously like gave him like carboonlage. We

720
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: go in. They carved out a court for us and

721
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 1: we start shooting, and they just had a league game

722
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: or something that not that day. So I said, Kabe,

723
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 1: we're gonna be on TMZ. You fucking watching those my

724
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: no fucking ships. So we work out, We work out,

725
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: We work out. The next day, me and grow Over.

726
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: He put us up at Pelican Hill, by the way,

727
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:15,760
Speaker 1: let the fucking nicest place in the history of mankind.

728
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: And so we're at breakfast, me and Grover, and all

729
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 1: of a sudden, it hits Twitter, TMZ link Kobe works

730
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: out with the Jews. So it has told me the

731
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: Yamaica and hat and it's got a fucking like the's

732
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: a Grooder film from fucking JFK of me working him out,

733
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: and it's like this, like look it up. It's like

734
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: me rebounding for him and him fucking shooting. We were

735
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 1: a woman up and some like soccer mom took it

736
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 1: on her phone back then. It was fucking hilarious. But

737
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: here's here, here's here's mine real quick on him. So

738
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 1: so I tweeted something because he did the I can

739
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: breathe and yea, I was being a smartass asshole like

740
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 1: the rest of us. And I was like, you know,

741
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: Kobe had tinted front windows, so in California you can't

742
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 1: have tinted side windows in front windows. And the first

743
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 1: time I met when I first left ESPN in two thousand,

744
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: Trouble moved out here and I didn't know he lived

745
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: that close. I'm at Starbucks and he rolls up and

746
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: like he's literally behind me in line at Starbucks. Yeah,

747
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: I was like, hey man, you know and then our

748
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: kids went to the same school for a little bit.

749
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: So uh so I choose something like uh like, I mean,

750
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: because as you know, he kind of the cops protect

751
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,720
Speaker 1: him from everything in Orange County, right, Like he story,

752
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: we were doing about a hundred and twenty coming back

753
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: from a dinner and we got pulled over, like literally,

754
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 1: the guy was doing this in front of us to

755
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,919
Speaker 1: get us over, hold us over Kobe like, hey, find

756
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 1: it out as Kobe. Koby says, hey, I'll grab you

757
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,720
Speaker 1: a package. I'm sorry, man like sent them shoes, tickets, whatever,

758
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 1: but totally right. So there was like, bro, like you

759
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: live behind Gates and Pelican and you're you know, I

760
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: can't Breathe is like fun the police, right. So I

761
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 1: got called like the word Keith Oldman said I'm the

762
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: worst person on earth because of it or whatever. So

763
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: I felt I feel bad just because like I don't know,

764
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 1: you know, they're just talking ship. So I sent a

765
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: text to Rick Buker because I didn't have his I

766
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:20,879
Speaker 1: didn't have Kobe's number. Lucas and as you know, as

767
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: you having said Kobe the holding Kobe is like he's

768
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:25,760
Speaker 1: just like guys that didn't fucking bullshit him because everybody

769
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: else just you know, whatever you wanted. So I sent

770
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: a text so he gets me. Kobe's I go, can

771
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 1: you ask? Can you find out? It's cool if I

772
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: checked Covie yet prob I texted my a man, send

773
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 1: some ount on social media. You know, I don't think

774
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: you come across the right way. He's like, I don't

775
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: give like I don't give a fuck. We're good and

776
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: like black fist pound. I was like, all right. So

777
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,760
Speaker 1: then fast forward, so I moved back to these coilsts

778
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: for CBS to move. I moved back out here and

779
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 1: I start we kind of restart my own program, and

780
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: our kids are again are going the same schools. And

781
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: I had seen him and stuff, and the cool thing

782
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: about the school that that like, uh, they're basically they

783
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: basically helped rebuild this the school was nobody messed with him,

784
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 1: like he was just Kobe, Like he with the kids,

785
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 1: you know, and the kids that come up to but

786
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: nobody's like coming up to him like autographs or hanging

787
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: around him. He's just got to be a regular dude.

788
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 1: So he starts texting me like the clips of his

789
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: of Gianna's team and drills, and hey, do you like

790
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: this because he knew my dad, Yeah, coach text. Sure.

791
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: We start sending clips of different so he's like, hey,

792
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: we gotta get together. So we had we had a

793
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: night at Javier's his spot, you know, yeah, and just

794
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: stories and it's the same thing, like the guy's level

795
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 1: of intelligence and recall and I have really good recall

796
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: was amazing, you know, not just games, but what he's

797
00:42:55,600 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: doing now and you you save the emails. I wish

798
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 1: I would have saved the text because I literally have

799
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 1: probably if I went to a T and two texts

800
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,280
Speaker 1: between the two of us sending videos of little kids

801
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 1: drills and offense and scores and ship right, which is

802
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: like the it's the most bizarre stuff, Like you would

803
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: never think that a guy would be that engaged, and

804
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 1: he really was. And he was like, here's the because

805
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: I know that, here's the rebound screen cut. And I

806
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: was telling him, like, why are you running that triangle bullshit?

807
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 1: And he runs that anymore. You know, hey, hey, hey Doug,

808
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: he hated the fucking triangle. He goes, Mike, he goes,

809
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,800
Speaker 1: you know how many years that took off my career

810
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 1: because you literally have to isolate, even though there's a

811
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 1: lot of cutting in and stuff, you have to isolate

812
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: and like, I want to come off pin downs. I

813
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: want to read screens isolation and spacing right, and but

814
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: all the movement is set based upon where the next

815
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: pass goes. Imagine him and split action, imagine him in

816
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: Golden States, split act like what he could do and

817
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 1: look for young players. This is the this is the

818
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: thing that really set me apart. With Kobe. So I'm

819
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: coming I'm coming to Irvine to work him out, and

820
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: I'm watching him, and I said the story a bunch

821
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 1: of times, so it's not like the first time I'm saying, uh,

822
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: he does this move eleven times in like three games,

823
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: in and out, crossover, step back, and and pull up,

824
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 1: sucking jump shots, So like, I hate that ship. I

825
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 1: fucking hate isolation basketball. So it's like, at the end

826
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: of our workout, it's probably like we did about two hours,

827
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:31,879
Speaker 1: last ten minutes or five and ten minutes to say

828
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 1: a k B, let's go that in and out a

829
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,959
Speaker 1: cross over step back we did. I think we've worked

830
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: out an equinox in Irvine and he he goes like

831
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 1: in and in and out cross of a step back,

832
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 1: and he goes, Mike, I don't work on that bullshit.

833
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,760
Speaker 1: And I go, KB, you literally did it eleven times

834
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,399
Speaker 1: in three games. It's almost unheard of a movie. He goes, Mike,

835
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 1: here's the thing. Here's the thing. The game is reactionary, Okay.

836
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: I master the in and out lay up, the in

837
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: and out jump shot, the crossover layoup, cross over jump shot,

838
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: the step back, jump shot, step back, pulling, front lay up,

839
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: he goes, I want to kill him on the first move.

840
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: How the fund can I work on a move with

841
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 1: three counters to it if I don't know how the

842
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 1: defender is going to react to the second to the

843
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: first thing. This is why players are funked up these days,

844
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: even young players that play with me on the Lakers.

845
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 1: He goes, they want to work on this ship, but

846
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: they don't know how the defender reacts to the first

847
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: And you kill him with simplicity. You kill him with

848
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: the in and out if they don't. If they don't go,

849
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: you go to the light, you go to the lay.

850
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: If they cut it off, you do something else. And

851
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,879
Speaker 1: then if they cut that off, you don't. It's all reactionary.

852
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 1: So why the funk would I work on that? And

853
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 1: he goes, I don't work on any bullshit ball handle.

854
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 1: And we do this ball hand and routine words, and

855
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,280
Speaker 1: I'll send it to you for your for your kids program.

856
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,399
Speaker 1: It's all stationary. It's like he goes, Look, I don't

857
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: care about moves. I want to be a strong ball

858
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: handler to build the strength up and my muscle, my

859
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: function muscles that handle the ball to put the ball

860
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 1: where I want it when I wanted. So if I

861
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: have to go between the legs, I didn't work on

862
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: between the legs, but I'm strong enough with my hands

863
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: and forearms from pounding the ship out of it different directions,

864
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 1: and I could just do it without even thinking about it.

865
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 1: And for young players that work on all that bullshit

866
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: that's pre scripted, how the funk do you know if

867
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: the defender is going to react to that in a

868
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 1: certain way to go to that next calendar, like you

869
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: don't know? And that's what he fucking mastered. And then

870
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: that whole I mean, one of the weirdest things he

871
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: ever asked him to do. We it was like Game

872
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 1: five of the finals. It was three in the morning.

873
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 1: I wasn't staying at the Ritz with or the four

874
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: seasons where they were staying in Boston. Me and Grover

875
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,320
Speaker 1: were like in the poc Plaza, like down the street,

876
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 1: so we didn't have iPads back then. I mean I

877
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: had it, he didn't, so I would. I would go

878
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: back and forth to his hotel room when he wanted

879
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,800
Speaker 1: me to do stuff and like get like get certain

880
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: clips and things. He wanted me to break down and

881
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: send him diagrams of the Princeton offense. I said, KB,

882
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: it's game fucking five and like twelve hours from now,

883
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: I know, actually like nine hours from now, where it's

884
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: like four in the morning. What the funk are we

885
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,720
Speaker 1: doing right now? He goes, you guys run the triangle.

886
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 1: He goes, I know, I know, but I think there's

887
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,359
Speaker 1: a variation we could run and this and that. I'm like,

888
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: you're fucked up, dude, I'll do it. And I remember,

889
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 1: I remember just trying to find it. And then right

890
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: after that, he goes, I want you to look up

891
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: this game in like two thousand and one, Tracy McGrady

892
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: third quarter at Detroit, he did this move in the

893
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 1: mid post that I want to work on tomorrow and

894
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 1: shoot around and I'm like, dude, what the fuck. There's

895
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 1: no cinder. There was no synergy back then, so I

896
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 1: had to like, I don't know how the funk I got.

897
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: I mean, the guy was mine like a stale trap man,

898
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 1: and he's phenomenal, dude. He had the he had the

899
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 1: approach of a thirteenth man. Yet he was one of

900
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: the best players of all time, and they got players

901
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: today just don't understand, like he goes, he told me,

902
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:56,879
Speaker 1: he goes, look you know what. The biggest scam going

903
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: is mom of mentality. And I go, okay, and he goes,

904
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: because I can't turn this ship off. He goes, I

905
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: wake up with that. And it's also everybody. Everybody, they

906
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: use it forever, they want to use it for It's

907
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: like dam thinks, my mentality is give me the balling

908
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: it other way, I'm gonna make a bucket. Like yeah,

909
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 1: except here's the thing. The guys studied everything on film,

910
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 1: but also at both ends of the floor. Yeah, and

911
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: and and and and even then, Kobe wasn't easy to

912
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: play with, Like listen, no, no, look he's not easy.

913
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 1: He's not easy. He wasn't even to play with Goblin.

914
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 1: But like his point was, you're gonna have all these

915
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 1: players tweeting the stuff out and then like even when

916
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 1: they do it, they have to have so much energy

917
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,839
Speaker 1: to do it for an hour. Right, I'm cursed with it.

918
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 1: I can't turn this ship off. And he goes, and

919
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: people are gonna be scamming like they have it and

920
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: they don't, and like, yeah, it's a great thing and

921
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: all that, but like I just can't turn it off.

922
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 1: That's just me. And just like Bird couldn't turn it off.

923
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 1: All these guys like he can't it her off, and

924
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 1: he goes to the biggest scam going because like that's me,

925
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 1: and everybody's gonna I was gonna try to be like

926
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 1: that and have to put so much energy just to

927
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 1: do it for thirty minutes. Or they'll have people tweeting

928
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 1: it out that they're in the gym and they're not

929
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 1: in the gym at five am. And I'm actually in

930
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: the gym at five So you're the best. Have a

931
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 1: great day. I appreciate it, and uh, next time you're here,

932
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 1: we're getting together or oh yeah for sure. And by

933
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,839
Speaker 1: the way, did you used to play those Laguna courts? Yes?

934
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 1: I we just went to the beat. Like so I

935
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 1: did some work for rep One, working out guys in

936
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 1: the draft and we we you know, my family came

937
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: out to visit me the last week. So we went

938
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: to all the beaches and we love Newport, but like

939
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 1: we went to New Word has about thirty eighth straight.

940
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: That's where we used to play out at full court. Yeah,

941
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: because because we'll Goona only has those three half courts,

942
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 1: right yeah, yeah, they redid them and people don't play

943
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 1: there as much as they used to. And I saw

944
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: some guy doing suicides there when we were there. I

945
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: have a picture of it all send it to It's

946
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 1: fucking great. But uh, that beach is not. It's not.

947
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: I just I love that that that part of you

948
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: could keep l A. Manhattan Beach is the only thing

949
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: that I'll keep out of l A. But that song

950
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 1: is the one. He actually was the one who figured

951
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: it out right. Yeah. Yeah, you get down there and

952
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: people leave you for the most part, you will leave

953
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 1: you alone. Yeah, and you know there's a reason that

954
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: the reason the tax is so high. Oh, no fucking question,

955
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 1: no doubt. I'd brother you the best. I appreciate you,

956
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:34,919
Speaker 1: appreciate you. Thanks, But all right, wait, well it's three

957
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,879
Speaker 1: three parts in a really really good series. My thanks

958
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 1: to Mike for all of his time and all of

959
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 1: his efforts. If you missed any of it, downloaded Part one,

960
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: Part two, Part three, Remember to download, right, review, rate, subscribe,

961
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: do all that stuff. Thanks so much for listening. I'm

962
00:50:50,920 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: Doug Gottlieb. This is all the number timber numberper