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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio iHeartRadio App. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome in m mmmmmmmm. So,

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Speaker 1: I there's been a lot of discussion about the NBA

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Speaker 1: Finals and NBA ratings in general, and I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I actually think when I've listened to our Fox Sports

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Speaker 1: Radio and Fox Sports One shows, there's been a wide

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Speaker 1: variance of it in terms of how it's been portrayed.

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Speaker 1: Raid uh. But I again, I actually think Adam Silver

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Speaker 1: says a lot of interesting stuff. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: that stuff is substantive in terms of the state of

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Speaker 1: the NBA. Even if a lot of his stuff does,

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Speaker 1: like multiple things can be true. So I'm gonna play

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Speaker 1: for you what Adam Silver said, and then we're gonna

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Speaker 1: discuss it as we get ready for Game four NBA

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Speaker 1: Finals tonight in Indianapolis. Pacers up two games to one.

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Speaker 1: Here was Adam Silver in an interview with ESPN. He's

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Speaker 1: asked about the NBA Finals ratings.

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Speaker 2: So we have two markets we've all been around for

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Speaker 2: the last week in Oklahoma City Indianapolis, that are completely

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Speaker 2: captured by the finals. I mean, every store you go to,

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Speaker 2: the signage, everyone look at this concourse here, everybody on

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Speaker 2: the streets is wearing the team colors. I mean, and

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Speaker 2: I think I've been doing this for a long time.

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Speaker 2: I don't remember being in two markets where it feels

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Speaker 3: Then on, as a.

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Speaker 2: Media matter, it's interesting people compare us to twenty years ago.

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Speaker 2: But for these games one and two so far are

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Speaker 2: the highest rated programs in May and June so far

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Speaker 2: on television, and if something beats us, it'll be another

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Speaker 2: sports program. Back twenty years ago, we often didn't win

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Speaker 2: the night when the finals were on.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So the argument is, basically, hey, here's the deal.

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Speaker 1: You guys are looking at today's ratings through a lens

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Speaker 1: of yesterday. And the point he's making is it's not

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Speaker 1: necessarily about what the number is. It's about winning the night.

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Speaker 1: Because fewer and fewer people watch traditional TV, So the ratings,

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Speaker 1: especially in midweek, are going to reflect as much. Now, again,

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Speaker 1: does he make a case that I would agree with

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Speaker 1: in terms of if you've been to Oklahoma and obviously

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Speaker 1: most of you guys know I spent a ton of

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Speaker 1: time in Oklahoma. Yeah, the entire state is completely all windows, doors,

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Speaker 1: street lights, whatever. Everything is Oklahoma City thunder And the

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Speaker 1: same is in Indiana. But you get that because you're

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Speaker 1: in smaller markets, right, So the idea that, Okay, maybe

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Speaker 1: it's better because they actually carry here. Look, if you

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Speaker 1: had in New York, it wouldn't be the same, but

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Speaker 1: there'd be way more people that cared to wait a

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Speaker 1: lot more same thing in Boston, bigger markets. The argument

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Speaker 1: he's making about about ratings is an interesting one. He

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Speaker 1: also talked about how it's been kind of politicized in

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Speaker 1: terms of ratings, and I don't know if that's why

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Speaker 1: people watch Jay Stu. What are your thoughts on Silver's

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Speaker 4: All right, so I'm gonna throw this out here to

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Speaker 4: the three of you or maybe listeners. I want to

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Speaker 4: I want to know if streaming number are factored into

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Speaker 4: these little ratings. I have a feeling they are if

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Speaker 4: they're not by now, that's pretty nonsensical. So I want

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Speaker 4: to know that, and then as we effort that. I

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Speaker 4: think that him saying that the concourse here in Indianapolis

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Speaker 4: are that that was a complete nothing burn.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, totally.

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Speaker 4: Him saying that it's tough to compare the ratings to

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Speaker 4: nights this time around. Okay, that's cool. That sounds like

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Speaker 4: a lot of word salad, and it sounds like and

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Speaker 4: we just had an election season, so I'm just gonna

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Speaker 4: make this as a reference. This isn't a political stance.

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Speaker 4: During the election season, one side of the political aisle

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Speaker 4: I wake up every morning and go through NBA content,

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Speaker 4: and I see how other shows stack their shows and

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Speaker 4: how they treat NBA Finals content. There just hasn't been

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Speaker 4: a whole lot of buzz. I don't think any of

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Speaker 4: the four of us could disagree with that. So it's

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Speaker 4: like you're telling me something that the ratings are actually

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Speaker 1: I agree with a lot of that. I agree with

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Speaker 1: a lot of that. I would say, if we're going

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Speaker 1: which were blatantly and patently falls And it's like you said, well,

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Speaker 1: let's follow up. Did anybody follow up to see did

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Speaker 1: they actually not win nights when they were in the

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Speaker 1: NBA finals. I'm guessing he's talking about post Michael Jordan,

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Speaker 3: I do think go ahead, and to answer Jason's question

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Speaker 3: from the information that I've gathered, yes, streaming numbers are included. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Why do you guys think less a smaller percentage of

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Speaker 1: as there's no there's no right or wrong answer, buyer,

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Speaker 3: The NBA as a whole? Are we talking about the playoffs?

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Speaker 3: Because part of my reason why I think like regular

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Speaker 3: and the finals everything.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, but the finals numbers are playoff numbers are

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Speaker 3: And I think that your point about the markets like

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Speaker 3: have a bigger number. That is. That is obvious.

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Speaker 1: And if the Lakers were in the NBA Finals, it

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Speaker 1: would be a gigantic thing in the city of Los Angeles, right. Yes,

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Speaker 1: maybe not as all encompassing as in Oklahoma City, but

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Speaker 1: of sort of so that that argument he makes, the

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Speaker 1: where it's solid. It's like, yeah, okay, it's a red herring.

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Speaker 3: It already existed, correct, Yeah. I just think the product

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Speaker 3: as a whole. I just don't think that that people

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Speaker 3: I've told you that. I think that the NBA is tiresome,

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Speaker 3: it's draining, and it's funny. I had seen a clip

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Speaker 3: just in how we're like digesting this this finals and

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Speaker 3: And I've felt that same point as well, like if

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Speaker 3: that's good for the game. But I ultimately I just

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Speaker 1: Sam, Why do you think less people watch the NBA?

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Speaker 5: Thinking of four kind of reasons, And it's taught me

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Speaker 5: if any of them kind of don't make sense you.

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Speaker 5: But I do think that post mj that's the reason.

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Speaker 5: it's even bigger now. Somehow maybe rule changes making it

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Speaker 5: maybe in politics maybe plays a role.

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Speaker 6: I don't.

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Speaker 5: I don't really sense the political vibe this year so much,

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Speaker 5: And there's a lot going on in the world, but

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Speaker 5: those are the four reasons NFL steal some attention post

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Speaker 1: Okay, I think the politics thing is just confirmation bias.

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Speaker 1: I think if you didn't like the NBA, you don't

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Speaker 1: I actually really agree with Dan on two different fronts. One,

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Speaker 1: I think you combined with the fact that more regular

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Speaker 1: I do think that the inside the NBA and the

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Speaker 1: I don't think that helps. That's just that's not You

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Speaker 1: just isn't. That just isn't a good way to sell

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Speaker 1: It's like, it's one thing if you have a season

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Speaker 1: And then you factor in that the NBA has just

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Speaker 1: I'd like it to baseball. It's way better than anybody's

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Speaker 1: don't think it's as bad as Jay Stu makes it,

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Speaker 1: but the product oftentimes is not great. And yet he

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Speaker 6: And I was surprised.

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Speaker 8: And that's what makes tonight so fascinating because this is

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Speaker 8: And look, you said something very important there. The experience

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Speaker 6: It just it just is.

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Speaker 8: And Okay, now we're four games into it, they need

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Speaker 1: of the off the court. Blaver, what are you hearing

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Speaker 8: Look, there's really nothing happening with Yannis until the Bucks

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Speaker 8: The Bucks are trying to sell him on this idea

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Speaker 6: Fix the books.

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Speaker 8: That talk has changed to where you now hear about

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Speaker 8: teams like Toronto that might be willing to just trade

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Speaker 8: for KD with no assurance they could keep him so

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Speaker 8: basically roll the dice that the one year they have

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Speaker 8: him will go well and he'll like it, but not

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Speaker 8: with the promise of an extension on top of the trade,

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Speaker 8: and so.

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Speaker 6: Well, we're going to have to see.

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Speaker 8: If you know, it's pretty common knowledge that you know,

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Speaker 8: the houstudents, the San Antonio's, those are the presumed desired

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Speaker 8: destination if it's up to KD. But are the Sons

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Speaker 8: just going to trade him to the team that makes

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Speaker 8: the best offer and not worry about what KD wants here?

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Speaker 8: And you know that's an answer we're still waiting on.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what are the Lakers going to do?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 8: The Lakers, they don't have the They just don't have flexibility.

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Speaker 8: I mean, the reality is Lebron James is almost certainly

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Speaker 8: going to opt into his contracts and so that you know,

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Speaker 8: they have in the short term, have very limited optionality.

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Speaker 8: You know, teams will try to convince them to part

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Speaker 8: with Austin Reeves. I don't think they want to. So

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Speaker 8: can they manufacture everybody knows they need a frontline center,

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Speaker 8: they need a rim running center. Can they manufacture a

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Speaker 8: trade to get one without having to involve Austin Reeves?

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Speaker 8: Not an easy assignment, but you know, the player option

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Speaker 8: if longs to Lebron. So I don't see Lebron walking

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Speaker 8: away from a player option in excess of fifty million.

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Speaker 6: I think he won.

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Speaker 8: I really struggled to imagine him playing anywhere besides LA

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Speaker 8: at this point.

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Speaker 6: So to challenging summer for the Lakers for sure.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Celtics, what do they do?

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Speaker 8: It's interesting because the assumption now is that the Celtics

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Speaker 8: are you know, everyone knows they need to shed payroll

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Speaker 8: to reduce their luxury tax bill. But you know, they

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Speaker 8: also won championships with these guys, so it's not that

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Speaker 8: easy for them emotionally to just discard a Christops for

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Speaker 8: Zingis or traded Drew Holliday. But also you know, finding

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Speaker 8: the right trades financially.

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Speaker 9: I mean, the expectation is that.

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Speaker 8: They're you know, they're going to trade at least one

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Speaker 8: of those players. But and Porzingis would be easier theoretically

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Speaker 8: because he's on an expiring whereas Drew Holliday has three.

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Speaker 6: Years left on his deal.

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Speaker 8: But it's another one where yeah, I mean, like there's

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Speaker 8: there's a lot of talk about the Celtics, but we're

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Speaker 8: gonna need more time to see how it plays out.

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Speaker 1: It is the Doug Gottliebe Show here on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 1: You know, Cooper Cooper Flags can be the number one

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Speaker 1: overall pick. Is there any chance that anybody makes that

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Speaker 1: trades with Dallas or that Dallas trade.

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Speaker 8: No, no, no, no chance Cooper Flag will be a Maverick.

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Speaker 8: He's actually coming to town next Tuesday for his first

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Speaker 8: visit with the franchise. I mean, this is the you know,

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Speaker 8: after three months of fan dismay, unlike any I've ever

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Speaker 8: seen in the NBA. I mean, this is a reprieve

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Speaker 8: of you know, I don't even have the words for it.

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Speaker 8: I mean, fans to win the number one pick. Also,

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Speaker 8: when you factor in the Mavericks just terrible history in

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Speaker 8: the draft lottery of never moving up, the excitement already locally,

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Speaker 8: the business rebound that the Mavericks have enjoyed just by

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Speaker 8: winning the lottery, There is no way they trade him.

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Speaker 8: Cooper Flag will be He will be in Dallas on Tuesday,

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Speaker 8: and eight days later he will be officially a Maverick.

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Speaker 1: Listen, I know you don't do predictions and picks, and

501
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Speaker 1: neither do I, but this series is like you said

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Speaker 1: ten percent of the game roughly right. It was zero

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Speaker 1: point three seconds in Game one, and you know they

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Speaker 1: don't really lead until late in the fourth quarter in

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Speaker 1: Game three that they've led. I assume you came in

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Speaker 1: the series thinking that Thunder would win the series. I did.

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Speaker 8: I did make a pick. I picked Thunder in six

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Speaker 8: and I did sit. You know, most people I think

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Speaker 8: said five. I said six because I had that much

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Speaker 8: respect for Indiana. But I just wonder, now, like I said,

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Speaker 8: the circumstances going into tonight, like the Thunder, this is

512
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Speaker 8: a must win game for the Thunder. The rest situation

513
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Speaker 8: is working against them.

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Speaker 6: They've completely gone away from the two.

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Speaker 8: Bigs, and I don't know that that's serving them well.

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Speaker 8: So are we need to see dag Nault go back

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Speaker 8: to Hartenstein and Holme Grin as a duo and see

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Speaker 8: Obviously you know why he's afraid to do it, because

519
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Speaker 8: the Facers play so fast and small as it is.

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Speaker 8: But I just you have to wonder, did the Pacers

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Speaker 8: if they find something in game three that can that

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Speaker 8: they can replicate. I mean, I mean, imagine, just imagine

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Speaker 8: them winning tonight and going up three one. I mean,

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Speaker 8: is it is one of the Cinderella runs of.

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Speaker 6: NBA history to this point.

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Speaker 9: I mean, it's just.

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Speaker 8: Nobody coming into the season, said the Indiana Pacers could

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Speaker 8: win the championship.

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Speaker 1: I mean nobody can, Nobody going, Nobody going in the

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Speaker 1: playoffs said that.

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Speaker 9: Yeah. I mean it's it's it's just so.

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Speaker 6: Crazy.

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Speaker 1: Mark Stein longtime NBA reporter insider. He publishes a substack.

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Speaker 1: It's called the Steinlein. I implore you, I implore you

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Speaker 1: to read it. Mark, great stuff. Thanks thanks so much

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Speaker 1: for joining us.

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Speaker 6: Okay, guys, be good.

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Speaker 7: Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on

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Speaker 7: Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 1: I've been teasing this for two hours, mostly because I

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Speaker 3: I don't know who's going to win, but I know

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Speaker 3: there won't be a repeat winner at Oakmont for the

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Speaker 3: US Open when it comes to the player that previously

564
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Speaker 3: won the US Open at Oakmont, Dustin Johnson. Plus ten

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Speaker 3: on the raw side of the cut line, which currently

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Speaker 3: sits at seven over par. That's going to be kind

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Speaker 3: of where we're going to toggle. Scotty Scheffler going to

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Speaker 3: make the weekend at plus four, John Rahm at plus

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Speaker 3: four as well. So's Colin Morikawa. Brooks Keepka was in

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Speaker 3: contention after day one. Still is is at plus two

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Speaker 3: after a seventy four today, justin Thomas, he's on the

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Speaker 3: wrong side of it. He's at plus twelve. He is

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Speaker 3: not going to make the cut back to back. Seventy

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Speaker 3: six is but your leader right now. JJ Spawn remains

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Speaker 3: atop of the leader board at four under par. Sam

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Speaker 3: Burns is the story of the day. A round of

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Speaker 3: sixty five. He's now at three under only Lauren Roberts,

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Speaker 3: who shot sixty four and nineteen ninety four, and Johnny

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Speaker 3: Miller's infamous sixty three and seventy three in the final

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Speaker 3: round were the two lowest rounds lower than what Sam

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Speaker 3: Burns shot today at Oakmont for a US Open.

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Speaker 1: Okay, here's the question. More likely that Spawn finishes, he

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Speaker 1: wins it, or he's outside of the top ten.

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Speaker 3: Outside of the top ten.

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Speaker 1: Agreed, really interesting to see my podcast yesterday. I agree

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Speaker 1: you didn't hear my podcast yesterday. But what I said

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Speaker 1: was the guy who leads the relative unknown, that leads

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Speaker 1: a major after the first day or two is like

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Speaker 1: the guy who the first character you see in a

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Speaker 1: horror movie they never survive.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and he got a head start by getting that

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Speaker 3: four under par round of sixty six. Today, he currently

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Speaker 3: has the lead by himself at four under par. He

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Speaker 3: lost the players in a playoff with Rory McIlroy. However,

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Speaker 3: I just think that at some point you're gonna pull

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Speaker 3: back and maybe today's the day that he shoots seventy.

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Speaker 3: But there's gonna be a seventy two, there's gonna be

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Speaker 3: a seventy four, and will others may not shoot sixty five,

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Speaker 3: like Sam Burns, I think they're gonna have their opportunity.

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Speaker 3: I will say this though, to to at least being

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Speaker 3: in the top ten, he would have to drop six

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Speaker 3: shots off of his pace right now, because plus one

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Speaker 3: gets you in the top ten. But yeah, I still

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Speaker 3: think it's I think it's going to be a tough

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Speaker 3: weekend for him, the likes of a Victor Hovelind Holland's

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Speaker 3: is at shot sixty eight today, but like if anybody

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Speaker 3: were to shoot sixty five on this course, I thought

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Speaker 3: it was Hobland. But at times he could go and

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Speaker 3: shoot seventy nine as well. Sure, but it'll make it,

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Speaker 3: it'll make it interesting. Jordan Speith is at plus five.

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Speaker 3: He's going to make the weekend. But right now that

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Speaker 3: cut line we're watching with Rory McElroy and Ludvig Goldberg

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Speaker 3: currently at seven over par pricing to Shamba just got

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Speaker 3: out to five under par. Rory just bogied, so he's

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Speaker 3: back to plus eight. But some of the names Phil

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Speaker 3: Mickelson right now at plus five, so he would play

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Speaker 3: the weekend if things continue. Indiana a fever guard. Caitlin

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Speaker 3: Clark's going to return from her quad strain and play

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Speaker 3: against the New York Liberty on Saturday. Fever went two

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Speaker 3: and three in the five games she missed because of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, two and three. We don't have to do the

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Speaker 1: first take segment of whether or not the fever better

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Speaker 1: without Caitlin Clark.

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Speaker 3: Do we have time for the Josh Hart Jalen Brunson.

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Speaker 3: I don't have the audio in front of me, Sam

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Speaker 3: does Do we have the Knicks stars talking about their

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Speaker 10: The team, the organization obviously has changed obviously with with

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Speaker 10: Tis being gone. And first, you know, we want to

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Speaker 10: give a shout out to Tis Man, you know, especially

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Speaker 10: you know, for myself, he helped, you know, make me

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Speaker 10: into the player I am. I had a lot of

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Speaker 10: instability and the you know, early part of my career,

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Speaker 10: and he kind of gave me that stability and that

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Speaker 10: opportunity to flourish, as you know, a player in the league,

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Speaker 10: a starter in the league. So I'm always gonna be

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Speaker 10: forever great perform.

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Speaker 3: I praise for his now former coach.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they obviously liked him, and this feels

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Speaker 1: like one that was done by the own owner and

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean they won't play for another coach. But man,

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Speaker 1: you got to get that thing right.

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Speaker 3: I don't think he needed a preference and that he

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Speaker 3: was going to give him a shout out. I think

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Speaker 3: all the nice things that he said afterwards, shout we're

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Speaker 3: sufficient enough. I don't know what we need to like

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Speaker 3: I'm about to thank you like that's I don't think

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Speaker 3: that we, uh we needed that. The Indianapolis Colts will

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Speaker 3: induct late owner Jim Ersay into the team's Ring of

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Speaker 3: Honor prior to their Week one UH season opener. I

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Speaker 3: don't know what the Colt's ring of honor is. I

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Speaker 3: know the organization going through tough times, but they're going

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Speaker 3: to uh put him on the ring of honor as

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Speaker 3: he rightly deserves. And Doug that is the press.

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Speaker 7: Get out there and pressed that was the press.

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Speaker 1: I do wonder if they'll put it right next to

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Speaker 1: that wild card appearance banner that.

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Speaker 3: They took it down, Dog, they took it down.

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Speaker 1: I know who wins Tonight Buyer, the Thunder. I think

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Speaker 1: Indiana wins. Doug Otliphow, Fox Sports Radio,