WEBVTT - Joe Budden’s Podcast and the Dumbing Down of America 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.440 Native LAMPID is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with 0:00:03.560 --> 0:00:10.920 Resent Choice Media. Welcome home, y'all, This is episode one 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:13.360 hundred and one of Native LAMPI, where we give you 0:00:13.400 --> 0:00:16.000 our breakdown of all things politics and culture. 0:00:16.280 --> 0:00:19.840 We are your hosts. Tiffany Cross is right over here. 0:00:20.000 --> 0:00:23.319 I just pulled to Andrew Angela Rai, Andrew Gillim And 0:00:23.760 --> 0:00:26.640 speaking of Andrew, we have Andrew Jr. Who's joined us. 0:00:26.640 --> 0:00:29.560 His name is Bacari Sellars. What's going on, y'all? 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:30.760 I'm doing. 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:36.120 Welcome Home, Welcome Home? 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:38.840 Yes, indeed, Well we have a pack show. I would 0:00:38.840 --> 0:00:40.640 love to know what we're getting into. But before we 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:42.600 do that, I just want to tell y'all. I know 0:00:42.680 --> 0:00:44.440 some of you all have been waiting for the Culture 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:47.080 Con episode. We haven't forgot. We just tighten it up, 0:00:47.159 --> 0:00:49.560 making sure it's perfect. It's gonna be a little bit longer, 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:52.400 but it is coming very very soon, So please keep 0:00:52.440 --> 0:00:55.800 an eye out for the Culture Con live show. It 0:00:55.880 --> 0:00:59.400 is our last hurrah without Bacari. So it's a very 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:01.880 very good show. So now that we got cocky Charles 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:03.840 with us, you know, it's a little tough every now 0:01:03.840 --> 0:01:07.280 and then, but we're all good. I also want to 0:01:07.319 --> 0:01:09.840 let you all know, if you didn't catch it, we 0:01:09.920 --> 0:01:16.360 have an episode with Jennae Nelson, who is tremendous lawyer, 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:19.720 the president of the NAACP Legal Defense Fund, who also 0:01:19.959 --> 0:01:23.319 argued the oral arguments at the Supreme Court of the 0:01:23.440 --> 0:01:27.480 United States on the Kyli case in Louisiana. So she 0:01:27.800 --> 0:01:32.720 joins us live on an episode that's already been shot, 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:36.440 and we hope that you'll check that out as well. So, anyway, y'all, 0:01:37.520 --> 0:01:42.480 what are we getting into today? 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:44.360 Everybody at once. 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:47.160 You know, we've been able to caution you so many 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:49.440 times about cross talk. I'm like, I ain't that, I 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:52.200 ain't doing it. It was hers if I could just 0:01:52.240 --> 0:01:54.480 give a disclaimer and I apologize to our viewers for 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:57.120 my congestion and whatnot. But in feeling a bit under 0:01:57.120 --> 0:02:00.000 the weather, I know, Angela, you've probably passed it off 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:04.920 to me. But there's still active. There's there's a lot, 0:02:05.120 --> 0:02:07.000 there's a lot going on. I think one of the things, 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:10.560 you know, we owe it to our listening fan to 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:13.760 tune in on, is this what's happening with Letitia James 0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:20.800 at the attorney in New York. But also how this 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:24.640 is sending signals, I think across the country to either break, 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:29.200 bend or bow or resist this administration. Powerful statements that 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:29.760 she made here. 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:34.119 At the top of the show absolutely tip you know, 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:37.360 oh it sounds like okay, other Tiffany, Hey, Bacar, go ahead. 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:42.239 I'm god I am over here treading on this then 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:46.320 ice because Angela gave me my daily dose of humbling 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:47.680 as we go. 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:50.920 Through this, and uh, is there only one thank you? 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:51.200 Is that? 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:56.080 The yeah point point five emails? If we're being specific, 0:02:56.240 --> 0:03:00.160 not not too much. I do want to I know 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:02.080 I'll probably get to this in my call to action, 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:04.519 So I'm jumping the hoop a little bit. But I 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:06.760 would be remiss if I didn't give a special shout 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:12.160 out to DiAngelo and his family. Our condolences go out 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:16.200 in particularly because there's a young man who lost his 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:21.360 mother and father in the span of a year. Angie Stone, 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:24.480 as we know, passed away earlier this year after a 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:29.040 horrific car crash, and DiAngelo was just, you know, part 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:33.280 of our culture and innate part of our culture growing up. 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:35.280 But one of the things I did want to highlight 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:39.240 is I was going through it and earlier this year 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:43.880 we lost Heer Gotti from fifty four from diabetes. We 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:50.040 lost DJ mister C. We lost Rico Wade early in 0:03:50.080 --> 0:03:53.080 his life. As we go through this, we realize that 0:03:53.160 --> 0:03:57.600 we've had many people from Magoo at age fifty, DMX 0:03:57.640 --> 0:04:02.440 age fifty, Bis, Marquis fifty seven, Coolio, just Shy of sixty, 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:05.480 heavy d who collapsed outside of his home at the 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:09.000 age of forty four. And so I think that maybe 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:10.760 that's a mini pot or something else that me and 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:15.160 Andrew talk about on the side. But all love goes 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:21.760 out to Angie Stone, uh DiAngelo endonnesses and particularly to 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:23.960 their son. They leave here without a mother and a father. 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:27.920 Thank you Bacari for that you are he still knew, 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:31.120 so he has no idea. This part is rapid, but 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:33.800 just know it was because he was trying to be empathetic. 0:04:34.320 --> 0:04:37.160 Uh Tip, I want to come to you for your 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:37.840 topics for this. 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:38.920 Yeah, I'll be brief. 0:04:39.200 --> 0:04:41.280 I'm going to get into I feel like there's an 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:43.560 anti intellectual. 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:47.599 This Hayes and. 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:51.320 McCary welcome, brother, welcome. 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:53.320 But what I want to get into is this anti 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:56.560 intellectual movement that I think is ravaging the Black community. 0:04:57.000 --> 0:04:58.480 I think this week a lot of us saw the 0:04:58.520 --> 0:05:02.320 clip of Mark Lamont Hill I'm on the Joe Budden Podcast, 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:04.440 and if you didn't, we'll certainly be playing it here. 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:07.880 But beyond just this viral moment, I want us to 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:13.120 get into the dying and the death of black intellectualism 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:14.000 right now. 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:15.279 So looking forward to get into that. 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:17.559 My co host, well, thank you, Tip. 0:05:17.680 --> 0:05:20.800 I just want to throw in to the what's clearly 0:05:20.839 --> 0:05:23.039 become a remy mock on a day it's a theme. 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:23.839 Are you dumb? 0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:26.400 Because we're gonna get into those text messages from those 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:30.360 young Republicans And also, are you dumb? Gavin Newsom? What's 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:31.640 up with this reparations bill? 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:31.960 Homie? 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:33.080 What you got against us? 0:05:33.520 --> 0:05:35.880 So we're gonna talk about why he thinks proposition two 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:40.159 nine still expands into everything black, and uh, maybe he 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:42.160 thinks it's a pathway to the White House. We'll make 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:44.920 sure it's not. So anyway, welcome home, y'all. Were gonna 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:52.320 jump into this show. Okay, So, but car you dropped 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:54.960 this topic in our chat. So do you want to 0:05:55.080 --> 0:05:59.240 take us into what these silly Republicans we're talking about 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:00.440 on this chat? 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:02.920 Yeah? I mean I think that we in this country 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:05.360 have never really dealt with the issue of race. And 0:06:05.400 --> 0:06:07.440 I think what you're seeing in these leaked chats from 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:10.240 young Republicans is that we should not look at them 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:13.520 as leaders of the future for the Republican Party. We 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:16.120 should look at them as leaders of right now. And 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:19.159 I think that the racism that is the underbelly of 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:22.279 the Republican Party shown through in those chats. But the 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:26.000 misogyny s took out, the anti semitism. It was very poignant. 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:30.160 And then, I mean, I don't like to necessarily do this, 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:32.919 but if you were to look at many of the 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:37.039 comments these guys made juxtaposed against how these guys look, 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:40.800 they look like the comments they made, if that makes sense. 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:44.880 I mean, so there was nothing attractive about them, and 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:47.440 there was nothing attractive about the words that came out 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:50.359 of their mouth. However, these are people that assume leadership, 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:52.480 and when you look at leaders right now, you know 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:56.440 you have people who are saying, let's not let's not 0:06:56.600 --> 0:06:59.280 talk about this at all. This isn't an issue, this 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:04.599 is childhood discretion whatever. Whereas Democrats, whenever this has happened, 0:07:04.760 --> 0:07:07.279 we're the first ones to rush through and say people 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:09.720 should not say X, Y Z. And I think The 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:13.080 best example is we are moral compass is one that No, 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:15.560 I'm not telling Jay Jones to get out of the race, 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:18.360 but I'm like Jay Jones, like, what were you thinking 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:21.720 in those text messages? You cannot espouse those things, et cetera. 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:24.360 Let voters determine whether or not they vote for you, 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:27.240 et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. But Jay, you got 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:29.440 to have more discretion in that. You don't see the 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:32.360 same balance on the Republican side when you have that 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:35.040 racism and you have that misogyny, et cetera. 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:38.120 And me, let me just I was gonna be yeah, 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:40.240 I was going to back us into what happened, you know, 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:44.520 for we play inside baseball in here sometimes and what 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:46.440 we what we want to do is first make sure 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:51.000 y'all understand what happened. So as young Republican leaders from 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:53.720 all over the country, some of them in elected office, 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:57.760 who had a chat thread. Many of us have chat threads, 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:00.000 but they had a chat thread on Telegram and all 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:03.600 all of their business was telegrammed for the world to see. 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:06.560 In a political article that dropped yesterday, I just want 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:07.280 to add something. 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:08.360 I'm sorry night yesterday. 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:11.920 This week tif okay, when we recorded yesterday, so we 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:16.800 had this political article drop. But here's what I think 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:20.360 is important. Since then, there's been an update in y'all's 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:24.960 Vice president jd Vance said since Bacari brought it up, 0:08:25.240 --> 0:08:29.840 that Jay Jones texts were far worse than these Republican texts. 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:33.120 These young Republicans are calling saying that I love Hitler, 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:36.880 calling black people monkeys, talking about watermelon and fried chicken, 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:39.760 using the N word, using all kinds of racial slurs, 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:43.679 and talking about turning on gas chambers. Since then, jd 0:08:43.800 --> 0:08:47.520 Vance has said that the Young Republicans chat pales in 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:50.600 comparison to Jane Jay Jones's text. 0:08:51.080 --> 0:08:54.679 Can I just want to jump in? So yes, Angela. 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:58.560 You referenced that this was a story broken by reporting 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:03.080 from Politico off their telegram chats. Just so folks know, 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:06.439 the text messages were spanning more than seven months of correspondence, 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:08.840 and among the people in the chat were young Republican 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:13.040 leaders in New York, Kansas, Arizona, and Vermont. Some of 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:15.320 the texts they referred to black people as monkeys, the 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:19.000 watermelon people. They mused about their political putting, their political 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:23.520 opponents and opponents in gas chambers. And some of the 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:26.120 There were twenty nine hundred pages of the chats and 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:30.800 they were shared among millennial and gen Z repeaters Republicans 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:33.640 forgive me. And this was between January and August, and 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:37.599 it chronicles a campaign to seize control of the Republican 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:40.240 Party to be hardliners on the Trump agenda. 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:41.960 So when you think about what that means. 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:46.200 Roger Stone made a comment about one of the people's 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:50.240 Peter Gunta I think is his name, and he was saying, well, 0:09:50.280 --> 0:09:52.480 this is not the Peter I know. And I just 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:56.080 find it so incredibly arrogant when people say that about things, 0:09:56.080 --> 0:09:59.520 as though your experience centers what happens with this person. 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:03.319 I would just further say that anyone who is surprised 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:06.559 by these texts has not been paying attention to what 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:09.080 has happened in the Republican Party. You guys have been 0:10:09.120 --> 0:10:12.040 referencing Jay Jones. If you can just share with our 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:15.000 viewers who that is, what he's running for and the 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:16.280 depths behind him. 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:20.560 Yes, he's running for attorney general in Virginia. I think 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:24.280 we got a delay with Bakari. Sorry, b I think 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:25.559 you were just about to start talking. 0:10:26.880 --> 0:10:28.440 No, I don't know if I have a delay or not. 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:30.360 I'm sorry. I'm just bringing all types of hiccups to 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:32.920 the show. But they'll smooth out. And that's why I'm platinum. 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:36.920 That's why they called me platinum ratings. Shit just work out. 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:39.160 That's what happens when you blessed. It just work out. 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:42.240 But I know you better speed up your WiFi. 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:47.640 J Jones is running for Attorney General of the Great 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:52.280 State Commonwealth of Virginia. J Jones he had some comments, 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:55.559 sharing some comments with a Republican colleague of his who 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:59.280 leaked those to the press. In those comments, Jay Jones 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:02.320 talked about UH some of the thoughts he had in 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:07.600 his head about using bullets and weapons and violence against 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:11.360 his peers and colleagues. He was then told to stop, 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:13.960 and then he called his colleague and kind of reiterated 0:11:14.000 --> 0:11:16.800 some of the same views he had about wanting to 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:20.960 UH to go down the path of political political violence. 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:24.760 And it is now it's caught fire. Stephen Miller talks 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:27.440 about it, Jadie Vance has talked about it. Everyone has 0:11:27.440 --> 0:11:29.320 talked about it. Because as we know, and I hope 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:31.760 our viewers know, the most one of the most important 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:35.160 races we have coming up extremely soon is the race 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:37.760 in Virginia for not only governor but the entire state 0:11:37.800 --> 0:11:40.439 lieutenant governor and attorney general as well. And Jay is 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:43.320 somebody I know. Jay's a young black attorney, great guy, 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:47.360 and I think that even when we make mistakes, I 0:11:47.360 --> 0:11:51.880 think Democrats sometimes are oftentimes are are reluctant to say, like, 0:11:51.920 --> 0:11:54.000 what the were you doing? But this is a what 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:55.240 the were you doing? Moment? 0:11:57.080 --> 0:11:59.760 Well, you know what I don't get is what kind 0:11:59.800 --> 0:12:03.400 of for Jay may have felt with his Republican colleague 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:06.760 to exchange those kinds of messages in the first place. 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:08.400 And by the way, I don't want to both sides 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:10.920 this thing. I know they're bringing this up in the 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:16.959 context of what the California kids, young Republicans, whatever it is. Tiffany, 0:12:17.000 --> 0:12:19.880 you had a term that you didn't mean to call them, 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:23.079 but it was. It was. It was interesting and now 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:26.160 I lose thought on it, but it was. I liked it. 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:27.040 It seemed consulting. 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:31.600 But in essence, you know, what these young people did 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:38.840 is not excusable. It's certainly treads along a pattern of thinking, 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:41.720 probably of being a way in which they see the world, 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:44.760 and they make no apologies about expressing themselves that way. 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:47.480 Certainly not over a six seven month span of time, 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:50.720 where there's no contradiction, there's only a doubling down and 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:53.920 the line of thinking, in the line of the way 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:56.360 in which they perceive and the way in which they 0:12:56.840 --> 0:13:02.439 talk about folks of color, black folks and their political opponents. 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:07.360 Jay obviously elected official who in my opinion, really ought 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:12.839 to know better and certainly should be questioning whether or 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:15.520 not he should have ever been in a conversation one 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:18.560 like this, but two with the Republican colleague that he 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:21.840 thought was what gonna have his back one day, when 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:24.760 these folks have shown us time and time again that 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:28.040 that's not who they are. So I'm a little baffled 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:30.720 on that one, and I would love a more complete 0:13:30.760 --> 0:13:34.520 and exhaustive explanation about what happened. But but I think 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:37.599 on the young Republicans part of this thing for a 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:39.880 long time, y'all, a lot of us operated by the 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:44.679 belief that with time and with progress, that party produces 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:48.400 a more enlightened person, It produces a person who is 0:13:48.440 --> 0:13:51.560 more reflective of their time, if you will, And I 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:53.800 just think that we've been shown time and time again. 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:56.480 If it isn't for the Dylan roofs of the world, 0:13:57.000 --> 0:14:01.720 or the young white male extremists who are right now, 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:05.120 you know, frankly the most dangerous thing walking around in America. 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:09.240 And when they make us the ire of their impact, 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:13.480 really bad stuff happens in our community. So I'm disabolved 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:16.880 myself of the belief that over time we'll get people 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:20.120 who are more thoughtful and who reflect a more diverse 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:23.720 world around them, because exactly what I think we're getting 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:29.040 our throwback to, you know, the nineteen forties, fifties, sixties. 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:29.920 These folks are. 0:14:29.760 --> 0:14:32.280 Trying to they're trying to go further back in the 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:35.760 history of this country and make it our future. Rather 0:14:35.840 --> 0:14:40.640 than representing a more how would you say, multi racial 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:45.160 demographic society. They're resisting it at every single turn. And 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:47.120 I just think we ought to disavow ourselves the notion 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:50.080 that with age and with maturity and with the changing 0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:52.360 of ages and time, that we're going that it's going 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:54.360 to produce a better human On the other side, it. 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:56.720 Is as better. It's really not. 0:14:56.880 --> 0:14:59.040 And I think that that is the part, Like we 0:14:59.160 --> 0:15:01.640 keep talking about we're going back in time. I think 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:04.440 that it is the past president, it is the future 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:08.000 until they decide to turn over a new leaf. You 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:10.920 know what's fascinating to me is, you know, I have 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:13.720 again some of these private chats, especially with my girls, 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:16.880 and we also have lamented what happens if our chats 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:19.920 are ever leaked. It's not because we calling people racist names. 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:23.040 You know, it's like, what is going on. We're talking 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:28.000 about interpersonal conflict, you know, breakups or how to navigate finances, 0:15:28.000 --> 0:15:30.320 but we're not talking about this. So I think what 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:33.640 is baffling to me is that one it is not 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:38.840 a bigger story. Two that there are folks who would say, oh, 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:41.520 they just had a lapse in judgment and give and 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:44.480 even call them young people. These are grown men. These 0:15:44.480 --> 0:15:47.000 are grown men who are grown enough to hold leadership 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:50.200 position in the Republican Party. And here's the part that's said, 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:53.200 I'm sure y'all can align with this. It would be 0:15:53.280 --> 0:15:56.280 one thing if what they put in text did not 0:15:56.520 --> 0:16:01.320 translate into policy. And on that right to the point 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:04.760 where you know, again, the more progressive side of the country, 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:08.280 the best coast I like to call it, has decided 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:11.880 that a state of emergency is necessary right in La 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:14.680 County given the number of ice raids that are taking 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:18.200 place that is just one area where we see these 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:22.680 policies being so detrimental, the racist ideology, the white supremacy 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:26.720 behind these policies being what is guiding how they interface 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:33.720 with other Americans and other human beings. Okay, that's fine, 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:38.960 we can move on. There is there a clip. 0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:41.520 I don't not one, but the way you said about 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:42.480 I was like, oh, there must be. 0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:47.400 Sound that I'm watching them. No, I was going into 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:51.080 ICE rays. It is, uh, it is. It is a 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:53.920 clear indication of how they legislative. 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:55.120 We want to move over to no. 0:16:54.960 --> 0:16:57.920 No, no, let's know that that's on the sea loot. 0:16:58.720 --> 0:16:58.920 Yeah. 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:01.960 I think you're right, hundred percent right, Angela. And you know, 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:05.119 I think we have to start questioning how do we 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:08.880 even know that these are ICE agents and quotations snatching 0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:12.360 people off the street. There's already been consistent reporting from 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:18.000 numerous outlets, including CNN, of verified incidents with people impersonating 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:21.399 ICE agents. How do we even know that these people 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:24.200 are officially government sanctioned? How do we know these aren't 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:28.160 proud boys just out here doing some sort of mercenary 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:31.160 work for this administration. It's just getting to the point 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:36.080 where it's so dangerous and a conversation I had this weekend. 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:38.480 I told you guys last week that I was off 0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:41.159 to Michael Harriet's for his Standers party. I missed you 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:45.320 guys there. You all were busy this weekend. But we 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:48.560 talked about what is the point? Was the question I asked, 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:50.919 is what is the point when I say, what am 0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:53.240 I going to regret six months from now? When they 0:17:53.280 --> 0:17:56.240 indicted to James, Was that the day that I should 0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:57.679 have said, you know what, I got to get the 0:17:57.680 --> 0:18:00.640 fuck out of here. When they started snatch people off 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:03.280 the streets and we normalized it, was that the day 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:06.200 that I should have said, time to get my passport 0:18:06.240 --> 0:18:08.280 and gives guy to here. And as we see this 0:18:08.359 --> 0:18:11.320 happening increasingly and they're flooding the zone with chaos, I 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:16.920 fear that people are tuning out or normalizing chaos to 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:20.679 where chaos seems normal and quiet seems eerie. And I 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:22.679 just don't know what it's going to take. California is 0:18:22.680 --> 0:18:24.480 on the front line, but we see what this's happening 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:29.720 in Chicago is coming to Portland, like authoritarianism is coming 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:31.000 soon to a city near you. 0:18:31.359 --> 0:18:34.520 And what will we do when that shows up? And 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:36.240 I don't and I don't have a solution for that. 0:18:36.800 --> 0:18:39.840 I don't have advice for people, but it is increasingly 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:42.119 frightening as I see what's happening across the country, and 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:48.040 I am giving more serious consideration every day to the 0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:51.159 internal argument do we fight or do we flee? 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:56.040 I'm sorry, yeah, please book Ard, no please. 0:18:56.320 --> 0:18:56.800 No, no, no. 0:18:56.840 --> 0:18:59.879 And my question is just it centers around helping me 0:19:00.960 --> 0:19:04.560 articulate my thoughts, whether or not I'm communicating on CNN, 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:07.800 or whether or not I am with Tremaine, my barber, 0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:10.800 who tightened me up. As you'll see, I'm looking fresh 0:19:10.840 --> 0:19:11.240 for the show. 0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:12.919 I trying to clean up very lovely. 0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:14.320 Thank you, thank you, thank you. 0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:21.000 For the compliment. But how do we connect? Because people 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:23.360 people will say, what is the connection? And I think 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:26.119 we take this connection for granted, but how do you 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:30.520 connect the text messages, text messages we saw and we 0:19:30.640 --> 0:19:35.360 talked about, how do you connect that incendiary, hyper ignorant 0:19:35.520 --> 0:19:40.399 racism and misogyny and the policy that we're seeing. Because 0:19:40.440 --> 0:19:43.240 a lot of people I talk to are just missing 0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:48.840 that connection. They don't understand how you get from the 0:19:49.240 --> 0:19:51.000 or they just say that there is no connection. But 0:19:51.080 --> 0:19:54.679 how you get from these young Republicans who are manifesting 0:19:54.720 --> 0:19:59.240 themselves into leadership and their racism dictating policy. How can 0:19:59.280 --> 0:20:01.840 we communicate that better? How can I communicate that better? 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:04.400 Connecting A to B. Does that make sense? 0:20:04.600 --> 0:20:06.520 Well, I don't know that you have to do a 0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:08.400 better job, because I think you are one of our 0:20:08.840 --> 0:20:13.199 better communicators on television. But I think people have to 0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:16.400 look no further than you take these text messages from 0:20:16.600 --> 0:20:19.480 these Republicans over here and you connect it directly to 0:20:19.520 --> 0:20:21.760 Project twenty twenty five. The reason they can throw, the 0:20:21.800 --> 0:20:25.880 reason they can dismiss a quarter million black women off 0:20:25.920 --> 0:20:30.280 the job and have no remorse, have no care concern 0:20:30.400 --> 0:20:32.040 in the world for how those folks are going to 0:20:32.040 --> 0:20:36.080 provide for themselves, their children, their grandchildren, or whomever it 0:20:36.240 --> 0:20:40.919 is that they take responsibility for them, take responsibility for themselves. 0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:44.440 They don't have to see the humanity in those folks 0:20:44.480 --> 0:20:47.000 because they never ever considered it in the first place. 0:20:47.640 --> 0:20:52.879 They if you have compared a woman a human to 0:20:52.960 --> 0:20:59.240 a monkey, right, swinging from trees eating bananas, And that's 0:20:59.240 --> 0:21:03.760 not to insult the monkey, right, This is outside of that. 0:21:04.320 --> 0:21:08.439 This is if you consider them non human. They care not, 0:21:09.320 --> 0:21:13.240 they feel not, They have no needs nothing that resembles 0:21:13.280 --> 0:21:15.320 what you would want for your family or what you 0:21:15.359 --> 0:21:18.280 need for your family, then it's easy to castigate them. 0:21:18.320 --> 0:21:24.000 When I listen to Stephen Miller and the way in 0:21:24.040 --> 0:21:28.000 which he talks about the opposition, you would almost think 0:21:28.560 --> 0:21:30.400 one you would never conclude that this is a human 0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:33.560 opposition like that. There's no way that these folks live, 0:21:33.840 --> 0:21:36.800 breathe draw air, you know, oxygen, survive off of the 0:21:37.119 --> 0:21:41.760 you know the same thing, right, And in his mind's eye, 0:21:41.840 --> 0:21:45.760 I have to believe that he makes no likeness between 0:21:45.800 --> 0:21:48.800 him and the people who he opposes. You are nothing, 0:21:49.160 --> 0:21:52.080 you will be nothing. You are you know you're not 0:21:52.160 --> 0:21:54.639 worth this that and the third, how can you muster 0:21:54.760 --> 0:21:58.040 that kind of animis towards your fellow man or woman. Well, 0:21:58.080 --> 0:22:00.480 the only way you can muster that kind of animists 0:22:01.119 --> 0:22:03.680 towards somebody like that is one if you don't see 0:22:03.680 --> 0:22:06.520 them as equal to you. Right, they are of no 0:22:07.800 --> 0:22:10.760 equal to you. And I got a funny comparison, but 0:22:10.760 --> 0:22:12.400 I won't make it here, But basically it's that they 0:22:12.400 --> 0:22:15.159 screw somebody you like and you kind of got some 0:22:15.200 --> 0:22:17.080 issues with them. That's the only time I've ever seen 0:22:17.119 --> 0:22:21.040 that level of animis directed toward somebody on the opposite 0:22:21.080 --> 0:22:24.400 side is if you have been thoroughly royally messed over 0:22:24.480 --> 0:22:28.399 by them, or that you don't see them on your level, 0:22:28.640 --> 0:22:31.240 not needing the same things you do, not appreciating the 0:22:31.240 --> 0:22:33.639 same things you do. And I said that sort of jocularly, 0:22:33.680 --> 0:22:37.000 but in truth, that's the only time I've ever had deep, deep, deep, 0:22:37.320 --> 0:22:41.600 non humane animists for a person is in those kinds 0:22:41.640 --> 0:22:45.159 of stark contrasts. So I don't think people have to 0:22:45.160 --> 0:22:46.960 make the conclusion, don't think they have to connect them. 0:22:46.960 --> 0:22:48.560 But for those of us who are looking on trying 0:22:48.560 --> 0:22:50.320 to say, why should it matter to me that these 0:22:50.320 --> 0:22:53.800 guys are raising up yet another generation of racist haters, 0:22:54.040 --> 0:22:56.760 is because they're racist haters one day become JD bands 0:22:57.240 --> 0:23:00.359 And but for their pretty words and they're pretty grees, 0:23:01.040 --> 0:23:04.240 they're acceptable in society, and we never have to trace 0:23:04.400 --> 0:23:06.639 back to the fact that they don't see their fellow 0:23:06.720 --> 0:23:08.240 human as you may at all. 0:23:08.840 --> 0:23:11.560 Yeah, And I think, go ahead, tip. 0:23:11.480 --> 0:23:14.399 Huh oh, No, I was I was gonna shift because he. 0:23:16.000 --> 0:23:29.440 Yes, nobody knows. 0:23:31.119 --> 0:23:33.760 When you're not intellectual. 0:23:34.680 --> 0:23:34.760 You. 0:23:35.640 --> 0:23:37.840 I think sometimes they see the the white man doesn't 0:23:37.840 --> 0:23:42.320 believe in himself enough, so he I think gets frustrated 0:23:42.359 --> 0:23:45.320 when he sees black people looking at an unleveled plan 0:23:45.400 --> 0:23:48.000 field and saying, watch me hurdle all of this that 0:23:48.119 --> 0:23:51.960 you put at me and still be successful. And sometimes 0:23:52.000 --> 0:23:54.919 we can adopt the oppressor's behavior. Which brings me to 0:23:55.920 --> 0:23:58.159 a clip that went viral this week, and that is 0:23:58.200 --> 0:24:01.880 of course, of our friend and brother, Mark Lamont Hill. 0:24:02.080 --> 0:24:05.800 This happened on the Joe Budden broadcast this week. Take 0:24:05.800 --> 0:24:07.720 a list and then we'll discuss on the other side. 0:24:08.119 --> 0:24:09.840 So if you allown to it because you said a 0:24:09.880 --> 0:24:11.120 lot of tricky words. 0:24:10.880 --> 0:24:12.800 No, I don't say regular boys tricky to you. 0:24:12.880 --> 0:24:15.080 Even if you do win famous you try to point 0:24:15.119 --> 0:24:15.920 out everything. 0:24:15.600 --> 0:24:16.800 Else that nobody do. 0:24:16.840 --> 0:24:26.719 That's sucking ship to me to take that. 0:24:23.600 --> 0:24:25.680 Okay, I know that was difficult to watch. I wanted 0:24:25.680 --> 0:24:31.320 to play it for that clip specifically because, first of all, 0:24:31.359 --> 0:24:34.560 I thought Mark Lamont Hill handled himself so incredibly well, 0:24:35.320 --> 0:24:38.679 standing across from a full blown temper tantrum from a 0:24:38.720 --> 0:24:41.040 grown man, and I think it's important for our viewers. 0:24:41.040 --> 0:24:44.840 If you don't know abart about Mark Lamant Hill, he 0:24:45.200 --> 0:24:50.480 is a luminary. He is an incredible intellectual who hosts 0:24:50.480 --> 0:24:53.520 an amazing show on Al Jazeera I'm called up Front, 0:24:53.920 --> 0:24:56.640 he hosted on Al Jazeera English. One of his interviews 0:24:56.640 --> 0:25:00.760 went viral during a post October seventh where he got 0:25:00.760 --> 0:25:04.600 the former Israeli Deputy Minister uh Danny Aylin to admit 0:25:05.200 --> 0:25:10.040 to concede that the response to Palestinians and Gaza was 0:25:10.080 --> 0:25:14.240 in fact collective punishment. He owns a bookstore. He's an 0:25:14.280 --> 0:25:19.440 amazing writer, He's a professor. He was unfortunately dismissed from 0:25:19.440 --> 0:25:21.840 CNN because he said from the river to the sea 0:25:22.160 --> 0:25:23.879 while speaking at the u N. If you're like me, 0:25:23.960 --> 0:25:28.200 you might genuinely wonder why is that considered anti Semitic. 0:25:28.640 --> 0:25:31.200 Some people of the community consider it so because Hamas 0:25:31.359 --> 0:25:34.320 used this phrase in twenty seventeen. Uh and some members 0:25:34.359 --> 0:25:38.320 of the Jewish Committee community thinks the phrase suggests that 0:25:39.200 --> 0:25:44.600 as a Palestinian h millik group, militant group and only 0:25:44.720 --> 0:25:47.840 used in that perspective that suggests that Israel does not 0:25:47.960 --> 0:25:50.600 have the right to exist. Mark mont Hill has been 0:25:50.600 --> 0:25:53.639 incredibly clear that he does not believe that it was 0:25:53.640 --> 0:25:57.080 a call for justice, and he made the reference when 0:25:57.080 --> 0:25:59.960 he was addressing the u N and he was just 0:26:00.000 --> 0:26:04.639 supporting Palestinian freedom which of course I certainly do as well. 0:26:04.880 --> 0:26:07.360 But this is why I thought I wanted to get 0:26:07.359 --> 0:26:11.040 my co host perspectives on this. There seems to be 0:26:11.240 --> 0:26:15.359 the death of black intellectualism, particularly when it comes to 0:26:15.359 --> 0:26:19.560 who has a microphone and viral clips like this take 0:26:19.640 --> 0:26:22.840 up so much space. To me, it was clear that 0:26:22.920 --> 0:26:28.119 his co host felt small, and you know, even him 0:26:28.160 --> 0:26:31.119 saying you use tricky words and Mark responding with I 0:26:31.240 --> 0:26:34.400 use words that are tricky to you. And anytime somebody 0:26:34.440 --> 0:26:38.320 I think cannot take to be questioned or responds with 0:26:38.359 --> 0:26:41.399 a full temper tantrum, it is always about that other person, 0:26:41.840 --> 0:26:44.440 not about like it wasn't Mark. He didn't do anything. 0:26:45.200 --> 0:26:48.000 And if someone is so small that you can't articulate 0:26:48.040 --> 0:26:51.800 your point without throwing a temper tantrum or insulting another person. 0:26:52.800 --> 0:26:55.719 I'm happy that Mark showed both tides that yes, I'm 0:26:55.760 --> 0:26:58.840 an intellectual, but don't give up in this studio, you know, 0:26:59.040 --> 0:27:01.159 And I think it's import and for people to see 0:27:01.320 --> 0:27:05.800 that yes you can still be an intellectual and demand 0:27:05.880 --> 0:27:09.440 your respect. That doesn't make you soft. I'm concerned though, 0:27:09.520 --> 0:27:12.560 in our community because when you look at the just 0:27:12.680 --> 0:27:18.000 the plain data, you can take my perspectives out of it. 0:27:18.160 --> 0:27:21.000 There seems to be an erosion. I don't consider myself 0:27:21.040 --> 0:27:23.520 a member of the black intellectual class, but I do 0:27:23.600 --> 0:27:26.320 thrive in that space. I love to be around sometimes Andrew, 0:27:26.320 --> 0:27:29.760 when you're talking, I forget I'm a host on the podcast, 0:27:29.760 --> 0:27:32.280 Like I'm just listening to you because you're saying something 0:27:32.359 --> 0:27:34.159 so brilliant to me, or something that I didn't know. 0:27:34.240 --> 0:27:37.679 I had no perspective, and I enjoy hearing that I 0:27:37.720 --> 0:27:38.680 have curiosity. 0:27:38.800 --> 0:27:39.160 I don't. 0:27:39.359 --> 0:27:41.080 I'm not trying to be fake humble, like I don't 0:27:41.080 --> 0:27:44.679 consider myself an intellectual. I consider myself intellectually curious. I 0:27:44.680 --> 0:27:48.480 have questions. I see that getting dulled across peers and 0:27:48.520 --> 0:27:52.040 across the community. Social media, I think, is a big 0:27:52.119 --> 0:27:55.160 part of that. A study out of UC San Diego 0:27:55.320 --> 0:27:58.080 found that even low levels of social media use are 0:27:58.119 --> 0:28:02.240 associated with poor cognitive out comes, particularly among children AI. 0:28:02.600 --> 0:28:05.080 People keep promoting AI like oh, look at this fancy 0:28:05.119 --> 0:28:08.560 new toy and not immediately countering it with the dangers 0:28:08.560 --> 0:28:11.680 of our community. The level of cognitive impairment of even 0:28:11.760 --> 0:28:15.320 just moderate use of AI like chat GPT is comparable 0:28:15.359 --> 0:28:19.760 to being concussed. Our literacy rates across black children. I'm 0:28:19.840 --> 0:28:23.800 only seventeen percent of black fourth graders scored at or 0:28:23.840 --> 0:28:29.359 above proficiency. Eighth graders could not a significant percentage of 0:28:29.359 --> 0:28:31.880 eighth graders could not read a paragraph and summarize it 0:28:31.960 --> 0:28:34.080 and say what it is. We're in a space we're 0:28:34.080 --> 0:28:36.760 telling people it's a time for reading books is considered 0:28:36.800 --> 0:28:42.080 the leitist and it's just frustrating to me. And I 0:28:42.160 --> 0:28:45.240 have to say, I'm sure we'll disagree here, or maybe 0:28:45.280 --> 0:28:47.720 we won't disagree, but I hope there are different perspectives 0:28:47.720 --> 0:28:50.560 than mine, because I have to say I am one 0:28:50.560 --> 0:28:54.400 of those people. I do not respect everybody's opinion the 0:28:54.400 --> 0:28:57.000 more like just because you have a microphone, I don't 0:28:57.040 --> 0:29:00.400 always respect your opinion. This guy who's talking, I don't 0:29:00.440 --> 0:29:03.880 respect his opinion. I Andrew, we talked. I'm not Mary, 0:29:03.960 --> 0:29:06.480 I don't have children. If I'm giving you advice on either, 0:29:06.800 --> 0:29:08.400 it's totally fine for you to say, what are you 0:29:08.440 --> 0:29:11.000 basing this on? Where did you get that information from? 0:29:11.160 --> 0:29:13.240 And I'm not going to be offended by you asking 0:29:13.280 --> 0:29:15.600 me that, because even if I might be right, you 0:29:15.640 --> 0:29:17.840 don't have to respect my opinion. I don't respect everybody's 0:29:17.840 --> 0:29:20.640 opinion on politics. You might be right on occasion. I 0:29:20.640 --> 0:29:23.920 don't respect your opinion, So I just think in this 0:29:24.080 --> 0:29:27.160 environment of these viral clips, I'm curious y'all take on 0:29:27.240 --> 0:29:28.640 all of this because I don't want to make it 0:29:28.760 --> 0:29:31.960 just about Mark. But Mark is there because people turn 0:29:32.000 --> 0:29:34.840 their back on him. Mark should not be on this podcast. 0:29:34.960 --> 0:29:37.120 He gets the opportunity to talk to people. But Mark 0:29:37.160 --> 0:29:39.600 should still be at CNN, if you ask my opinion, 0:29:39.880 --> 0:29:42.360 Mark should have had a contract soon as seeing this 0:29:42.440 --> 0:29:44.480 every let you go, somebody should have snatched Mark up 0:29:44.960 --> 0:29:47.680 and said that. And I just think they put dumb 0:29:47.760 --> 0:29:51.520 people on TV sometimes just because you have more likes 0:29:51.560 --> 0:29:55.120 than followers, and they don't celebrate our intellectualism. So I 0:29:55.240 --> 0:29:55.760 leave it there. 0:29:56.400 --> 0:29:57.440 Love to hear y'all thoughts. 0:30:00.360 --> 0:30:02.640 That's right, well one, I hope we hope we never 0:30:02.680 --> 0:30:06.600 get to a place of self censoring. I think it's 0:30:06.640 --> 0:30:09.120 important for us to bring our full belief cell full 0:30:09.160 --> 0:30:12.560 sales to this podcast because that's what our listeners, the 0:30:12.600 --> 0:30:16.280 people who ride with us expect, is that will be 0:30:16.320 --> 0:30:18.480 as directed through the cannon. I will be very honest. 0:30:18.520 --> 0:30:22.959 I've never listened to the Button by the Joe Budden 0:30:23.640 --> 0:30:26.800 podcast before. This was the first clip I've ever seen 0:30:28.000 --> 0:30:30.560 of it is with is with Mark on it, and 0:30:30.600 --> 0:30:34.240 that probably distances me even greater from a lot of 0:30:34.280 --> 0:30:36.120 folks out there who probably you know, it's the number 0:30:36.160 --> 0:30:38.480 five or top five or top ten for a reason 0:30:38.520 --> 0:30:41.160 that means people are going there to subscribe. The reason 0:30:41.160 --> 0:30:45.000 why I think I value a voice like Marx being 0:30:45.040 --> 0:30:48.480 able to cut through in a top ten, top five 0:30:48.680 --> 0:30:53.239 audience is that at least somebody gets an exposure to 0:30:53.280 --> 0:30:59.160 his perspective that may not have otherwise had it. But 0:30:59.560 --> 0:31:02.880 exactly what they're getting exposed to also matters. I don't 0:31:02.920 --> 0:31:05.520 know if that's the rhythm of it from day to 0:31:05.600 --> 0:31:09.520 day or whatever's broadcast week to week whenever it shows, 0:31:09.520 --> 0:31:12.840 but I've got to believe that knowing Mark well enough 0:31:15.840 --> 0:31:18.560 that on a regular basis, he's probably being able to 0:31:18.680 --> 0:31:24.520 enter into that conversation, that discussion a higher level of 0:31:25.040 --> 0:31:29.720 discourse than what we saw exhibited there. Maybe he's entering 0:31:29.760 --> 0:31:34.760 into entering into that conversation some terms, some theory of changes, 0:31:34.840 --> 0:31:38.240 some beliefs that then people go and google afterwards they 0:31:38.280 --> 0:31:41.000 didn't know before, and now the curiosity has been piqued 0:31:41.440 --> 0:31:43.600 and they're going to check it out and to that extent, 0:31:43.680 --> 0:31:45.800 I think that is a good thing. I think it 0:31:45.880 --> 0:31:50.560 is probably not a good thing in society when sort 0:31:50.560 --> 0:31:53.719 of our thoughtful folks are only talking to other thoughtful folks. 0:31:54.520 --> 0:31:58.080 I think that's probably not the setup that we want. However, 0:31:58.160 --> 0:32:00.360 I know for sure I don't want to watch that 0:32:00.400 --> 0:32:02.400 fight every day. I don't want to watch that kind 0:32:02.400 --> 0:32:04.320 of discourse every day. I don't know that I want 0:32:04.360 --> 0:32:07.840 to see it any day. To be frank frank with you, Tiffany, 0:32:07.880 --> 0:32:10.200 what you brought up around some of the literacy rates. 0:32:10.600 --> 0:32:15.320 What the damage that AI is doing to quote unquote 0:32:15.360 --> 0:32:18.360 simplify somebody's life. But what is it dus life? Is 0:32:18.360 --> 0:32:21.240 it dumbing down in the process? That bothers me to 0:32:21.280 --> 0:32:23.640 a great extent. My kids know when they walk in 0:32:23.640 --> 0:32:25.560 the door after they get they snacked, the first thing 0:32:25.600 --> 0:32:27.920 they doing for the first thirty minutes at home is 0:32:27.920 --> 0:32:31.120 reading a book. The books are I shouldn't hear your voice. 0:32:31.120 --> 0:32:35.040 The book isn't talking out loud whatever, you know, And 0:32:35.480 --> 0:32:38.880 we're conscious about that, we were conscious. My kids hate it. 0:32:39.080 --> 0:32:41.320 But when they do birthday cards, they write the birthday 0:32:41.360 --> 0:32:43.800 card one, I'm sick of paying three dollars, four dollars, 0:32:43.800 --> 0:32:46.120 five dollars for kids' birthday card. That's crazy to me. 0:32:46.600 --> 0:32:50.080 But but but more importantly, the art of writing, of 0:32:50.160 --> 0:32:52.640 just articulating a sentiment. When my son Jackson wrote his 0:32:52.640 --> 0:32:55.400 first birthday card and it ended up being a paragraph long, 0:32:55.760 --> 0:32:58.000 I was over the moon because I was impressed by 0:32:58.040 --> 0:33:00.800 the by the sentiment he was expressing. I don't want 0:33:00.800 --> 0:33:02.520 our kids to lose that, and I think it's really 0:33:02.560 --> 0:33:05.720 incoming upon the parents to weigh down on them to 0:33:05.800 --> 0:33:08.720 make sure that we're curating some of that experience for them. 0:33:09.000 --> 0:33:11.760 I know these sound like two separate kinds of kinds 0:33:11.760 --> 0:33:14.160 of conversations, but it really isn't. Because if you teach 0:33:14.160 --> 0:33:16.880 your child to come to expect a certain thing to 0:33:17.640 --> 0:33:20.520 exchange at a certain level of discourse, then that's what 0:33:20.560 --> 0:33:23.000 they're going to do. But if you put no expectation 0:33:23.040 --> 0:33:25.520 out there and the world starts to shape that for them, 0:33:26.000 --> 0:33:27.720 then that's some of what I think you get. 0:33:28.280 --> 0:33:32.760 I heard Tiff at the outset say that she thought 0:33:34.000 --> 0:33:40.320 that Mark handled himself well in the exchange, and I 0:33:40.360 --> 0:33:44.600 can't tell you all how much I cringe looking at 0:33:44.600 --> 0:33:50.840 that exchange. I have been in conversation, in relationship with 0:33:51.000 --> 0:33:54.040 people that take you completely off of your square and 0:33:54.120 --> 0:33:57.400 who you are, who you have evolved out of. And 0:33:57.440 --> 0:34:01.280 I think for me, what's frustrating, and this is something 0:34:01.320 --> 0:34:05.520 that I would tell our friend as well, is I 0:34:05.560 --> 0:34:09.719 never want anybody to take take any of us off 0:34:09.760 --> 0:34:12.399 of our square, but particularly not him. He just has 0:34:13.360 --> 0:34:15.120 so much to the world now, to so much to 0:34:15.160 --> 0:34:15.759 add to the world. 0:34:15.760 --> 0:34:15.880 Now. 0:34:15.920 --> 0:34:19.960 I'll say the first to call myself sophistic ratchet all 0:34:20.040 --> 0:34:23.160 day long, All day long, I believe in you know, 0:34:23.280 --> 0:34:25.719 both sides, like you might, depending on the mood, you 0:34:25.760 --> 0:34:28.480 might if if I'm feeling froggy, I might leap. But 0:34:28.560 --> 0:34:33.160 what I don't like is I know firsthand that the 0:34:33.200 --> 0:34:36.600 founder of Uncle Bobby's that's striving to ensure that black 0:34:36.600 --> 0:34:39.800 folks can read in a neighborhood that he loves and Philly, 0:34:40.239 --> 0:34:44.279 the same person that's creating black jobs and providing opportunity 0:34:44.360 --> 0:34:46.520 for our folks, doesn't want to show up that way 0:34:46.560 --> 0:34:50.600 for himself, for his family, first kids, for anybody. And 0:34:50.680 --> 0:34:54.400 so what I really want to ask us to consider 0:34:55.880 --> 0:34:58.640 is how do we resolve conflict when things are heated 0:34:58.680 --> 0:35:03.759 without name calling, without attacking someone's intellect or lack thereof. 0:35:03.920 --> 0:35:07.760 I think that we can lovingly challenge people to rise 0:35:07.920 --> 0:35:12.279 up without calling them them or anti intellectual. 0:35:12.440 --> 0:35:14.120 Sure, it's that is where we are. 0:35:14.320 --> 0:35:16.680 But is there another way to call people in I 0:35:16.719 --> 0:35:18.880 don't think that Mark should be left holding the bag 0:35:18.880 --> 0:35:22.799 in this exchange. I take great issue with that podcast 0:35:23.480 --> 0:35:25.799 and it's treatment of Mark. And I was wondering when 0:35:26.040 --> 0:35:28.759 when he was gonna when he was gonna snap. You know, 0:35:28.880 --> 0:35:34.280 there's another clip that I don't know if you all saw, uh, 0:35:34.600 --> 0:35:40.040 where Mark announces very vulnerably that he's lost almost all 0:35:40.080 --> 0:35:44.120 of his colleagues that were reporting in Gaza, and by lost, 0:35:44.160 --> 0:35:46.480 I mean they are killed. They were they they died 0:35:47.920 --> 0:35:48.920 in their reporting. 0:35:49.920 --> 0:35:52.280 And then around the world we're seeing violence everywhere, including 0:35:52.360 --> 0:35:54.920 guys that where I were for Al Jazeera and my colleagues. 0:35:54.920 --> 0:35:57.520 Every colleague I having guys has been murdered. Every single 0:35:57.520 --> 0:35:59.600 colleague I have in guys that has been murdered. So 0:35:59.640 --> 0:36:00.680 we got a lot of work to do, a lot 0:36:00.719 --> 0:36:01.160 of stuff to. 0:36:01.080 --> 0:36:01.640 Pay attention to. 0:36:03.520 --> 0:36:09.000 All Right, young thug, Uh, every time you do that? 0:36:10.160 --> 0:36:20.319 He doing so fast? Yeah, he doing it again? By 0:36:20.400 --> 0:36:22.120 you don't never support him when you start talking that ship. 0:36:24.600 --> 0:36:25.920 He has my full support. 0:36:25.960 --> 0:36:28.520 But I also know that once he says something like 0:36:28.560 --> 0:36:31.800 that or we discussed something like that, then we're just like, Okay, 0:36:31.800 --> 0:36:32.800 what's the fucking pivot? 0:36:33.120 --> 0:36:33.800 What's the pivot? 0:36:33.840 --> 0:36:36.520 After we talk about every journalist in on the Gadza 0:36:36.560 --> 0:36:38.640 strip being murdered, Like, what's the pivot? 0:36:40.040 --> 0:36:46.680 So Young Thugs appeared on Little Babies Project, quite the project, and. 0:36:48.040 --> 0:36:51.279 He's sharing vulnerably he's lost all his people and Joe, 0:36:51.280 --> 0:36:53.600 Butten's transition not this other guy. I don't know the 0:36:53.719 --> 0:36:56.360 everybody's name, but not this other guy, Joe Buden's transition 0:36:56.520 --> 0:37:00.279 is like and Young Thug like just no mintion of 0:37:00.400 --> 0:37:01.400 like are you okay? 0:37:01.880 --> 0:37:04.960 How do you feel? Who was lost this week? How 0:37:05.000 --> 0:37:08.399 did they die? Just like nothing? So two tips point 0:37:08.440 --> 0:37:13.440 around curiosity. If you can't find curiosity, find sympathy. If 0:37:13.480 --> 0:37:17.120 you can't find sympathy, find empathy. If you can't find empathy, 0:37:17.360 --> 0:37:21.080 find compassion because if you don't, the person who is 0:37:21.120 --> 0:37:24.040 in a constant state of grief, at some point that 0:37:24.120 --> 0:37:27.080 grief turns to rage because there's not a safe. 0:37:26.840 --> 0:37:27.640 Container for it. 0:37:27.719 --> 0:37:31.080 So we say on this show, welcome home, and we 0:37:31.160 --> 0:37:33.399 mean that, of course Mark is welcome anytime. I don't 0:37:33.440 --> 0:37:36.440 know about the rest of them. But I will just say, 0:37:36.840 --> 0:37:38.600 you know, I don't think that that means that we 0:37:38.640 --> 0:37:43.200 should be foreclosed to having discussions that are tough, or 0:37:43.239 --> 0:37:45.000 where we don't think people are our peers or. 0:37:45.000 --> 0:37:46.759 We're on the same level. I'm not into that. 0:37:47.200 --> 0:37:51.600 But where I see folks who are constantly unwilling to 0:37:51.680 --> 0:37:54.799 have conversations that stretch, or to have conversations where they 0:37:54.840 --> 0:37:58.000 at least can appreciate a different perspective, I don't know 0:37:58.000 --> 0:38:00.680 that I'm into that, So I just I I just 0:38:00.719 --> 0:38:02.879 want marching on. I'm praying for you, brother, you know that, 0:38:03.760 --> 0:38:05.560 And I just I want better for him. I think 0:38:05.600 --> 0:38:07.640 that he deserves to hold space with people who are 0:38:07.640 --> 0:38:12.600 at least more compassionate and more eager to learn from 0:38:12.640 --> 0:38:16.480 his perspective. And clearly, you could take a negro out 0:38:16.520 --> 0:38:18.440 the hood, but you can't take the hood out the negro. 0:38:18.600 --> 0:38:20.640 So you might not want to keep leaping at Mark. 0:38:20.680 --> 0:38:23.000 He might just snap and bust your ass next time. 0:38:23.040 --> 0:38:23.520 I don't know. 0:38:24.120 --> 0:38:25.759 I don't want him to do that. But I mean 0:38:25.800 --> 0:38:29.160 it was getting Real Housewives to me. Okay, well, we 0:38:29.320 --> 0:38:31.719 have more on Marca mont Hill and what happened on 0:38:31.760 --> 0:38:33.920 the Joe Butden podcast, right, on the other side. 0:38:33.719 --> 0:38:34.240 Of his break. 0:38:48.440 --> 0:38:53.399 So I think this is a multifaceted discussion that I'm 0:38:53.400 --> 0:38:55.439 glad to be having in this space with you all, 0:38:56.680 --> 0:38:59.080 because I think I agree on many points and then 0:38:59.320 --> 0:39:01.480 I disagree with some that I'll kind of get to. 0:39:02.040 --> 0:39:04.560 But I think the reason this conversation is important with 0:39:04.640 --> 0:39:06.920 Tiffany is because we live in a culture of anti 0:39:06.960 --> 0:39:11.160 intellectualism and we have to understand that, and most of 0:39:11.200 --> 0:39:15.920 that is intentional. In this country right now, we literally 0:39:15.960 --> 0:39:19.080 punish kids because of the zip code they're born into. 0:39:19.239 --> 0:39:21.080 And what I mean by that, and I think Andrew 0:39:21.120 --> 0:39:25.080 may recall this from his time as being mayor, is 0:39:25.120 --> 0:39:27.680 that the way we fund our schools right now is 0:39:27.719 --> 0:39:31.640 from federal funding, state funding, and local funding. And so 0:39:31.680 --> 0:39:33.920 if you're from a poor area like where I'm from, 0:39:34.400 --> 0:39:36.040 I was going to catch twenty two when I was 0:39:36.160 --> 0:39:39.640 legislating because I couldn't recruit industry because I had poor schools. 0:39:39.640 --> 0:39:42.080 But I had poor schools because I couldn't recruit industry, 0:39:42.920 --> 0:39:46.400 and so it becomes very cyclical about the resources. And 0:39:47.040 --> 0:39:49.560 I mean, to TIFF's greater point, we're not preparing young 0:39:49.600 --> 0:39:53.080 people for twenty first century global economy. We're not giving 0:39:53.120 --> 0:39:56.040 them access. And right now, the proverbial world is flat 0:39:56.120 --> 0:39:59.359 because when you graduate from Denmark, South Carolina, where I'm from, 0:39:59.440 --> 0:40:01.839 or Tallaha I see, or Seattle or wherever you may 0:40:01.840 --> 0:40:04.200 be from, you're now competing with kids who finish all 0:40:04.239 --> 0:40:06.520 around the world, and it contributes to this culture of 0:40:06.520 --> 0:40:11.239 anti intellectualism. I think Mark's purpose there and I love 0:40:11.280 --> 0:40:14.000 Mark Lamont Hill. We disagree on a lot of things substantively. 0:40:14.040 --> 0:40:15.960 We hit each other up policy, we try to have 0:40:16.040 --> 0:40:19.880 these intellectual discussions back and forth. He's somebody who sharpened you. 0:40:19.960 --> 0:40:22.680 But I think Mark is there intentionally. I think Mark 0:40:22.760 --> 0:40:26.560 is there purposefully. I think that it adds the dynamic 0:40:26.600 --> 0:40:29.160 and I going back to our conversations that we've had 0:40:29.200 --> 0:40:32.640 in the past, you cannot let things go in a 0:40:32.719 --> 0:40:36.080 vacuum without them being challenged, and so I do think 0:40:36.160 --> 0:40:39.520 that there is an added value to having someone like 0:40:39.600 --> 0:40:43.160 Mark lamon Hill being there. You know, I watch the 0:40:43.200 --> 0:40:45.480 show every now and then, Andrew, I'm not a I 0:40:45.640 --> 0:40:48.959 can't consume everything all the time, but I do watch 0:40:49.000 --> 0:40:54.000 it every now and then. And you know, I know 0:40:54.080 --> 0:40:57.120 I think his name is Flip. I guarantee you I 0:40:57.160 --> 0:41:00.640 know ten flips. I know one of Mark Clamant Hill, 0:41:01.160 --> 0:41:03.719 because that's just the level of intellect. But I know 0:41:03.840 --> 0:41:07.480 ten flips at minimum, and I think the way they 0:41:07.480 --> 0:41:10.839 were able to have that conversation, as cringe as it is, 0:41:11.360 --> 0:41:16.640 are conversations that happen more often than people actually think, 0:41:16.800 --> 0:41:20.000 or they're conversations that people want to have. I'm not 0:41:20.040 --> 0:41:22.600 in a position to give Mark Lamont Hill any advice, 0:41:23.239 --> 0:41:24.840 but what I would tell him if I talked to 0:41:24.880 --> 0:41:26.359 him the day or tomorrow, and I might hit him 0:41:26.440 --> 0:41:28.959 up on text, is what my daddy told me, which 0:41:29.000 --> 0:41:31.000 is that you never argue with a fool because people 0:41:31.040 --> 0:41:34.520 watching can't tell the difference, right. And so you know, 0:41:34.520 --> 0:41:36.880 in the South Carolina we say you roll around with pigs, 0:41:37.040 --> 0:41:39.279 you both get muddy, and the pig likes it, right, 0:41:39.680 --> 0:41:43.480 And so there's this certain level of kind of checks 0:41:43.480 --> 0:41:46.160 and balances that goes through your head. But I love 0:41:46.280 --> 0:41:49.640 the layered dynamic that is Mark Lamont Hill from Philadelphia. 0:41:50.120 --> 0:41:52.719 I think Andrew has the same thing in him, like 0:41:53.480 --> 0:41:57.040 there is a certain level of respect that you must have, 0:41:57.120 --> 0:41:59.080 which is also why I'm pushing back on one of 0:41:59.080 --> 0:42:02.640 your points, Tiffany. There is a certain level of respect 0:42:02.719 --> 0:42:06.600 you must have going into these conversations, right, and it's 0:42:06.600 --> 0:42:09.680 a respect. We will never have that because we all 0:42:09.719 --> 0:42:13.120 have that level of respect for each other. And what 0:42:13.239 --> 0:42:16.280 you saw in that episode was that respect being fractured. 0:42:16.800 --> 0:42:20.040 And whenever that respect is fractured, you have to be 0:42:20.160 --> 0:42:24.560 willing to bust someone's ass, right, And you I mean 0:42:24.600 --> 0:42:26.480 not not literally, but you got to. 0:42:26.520 --> 0:42:30.360 Show that you are or literally or literally. 0:42:30.080 --> 0:42:33.600 Because because because I mean t I is somebody who 0:42:33.640 --> 0:42:36.279 talks about it often oftentimes cliper areas. You never get 0:42:36.280 --> 0:42:40.200 that back. You never get that back, right. And so 0:42:40.400 --> 0:42:43.080 I loved how layered the discussion was. It was very real. 0:42:43.400 --> 0:42:45.440 You know, it's cringe worthy to watch all those things, 0:42:45.680 --> 0:42:48.080 but it was very, very real. And I think that 0:42:48.719 --> 0:42:51.200 I took something out of that where I think that 0:42:51.280 --> 0:42:54.759 people were extremely proud Mark Lamont Hill uh stood up 0:42:54.800 --> 0:42:58.320 for himself in that moment. I think that I respect 0:42:58.640 --> 0:43:01.920 Flip's opinions, all though they aren't maybe to the level 0:43:02.080 --> 0:43:05.920 of likening, of intellectual capacity or whatever, but there's so 0:43:05.960 --> 0:43:08.200 many people that have it that I'm not ready to 0:43:08.280 --> 0:43:11.880 cast him aside. I want him to have more conversations 0:43:11.920 --> 0:43:14.560 with Mark Lamont Hill. I want him to approach these 0:43:14.600 --> 0:43:18.560 conversations with respect. I want Mark to approach those conversations 0:43:18.560 --> 0:43:21.279 with flip with respect. I think we have to do 0:43:21.320 --> 0:43:24.279 that when we're going on college campuses or going out 0:43:24.320 --> 0:43:27.319 in the world. I mean, you have to have this 0:43:27.440 --> 0:43:30.200 level of respect because that is the only way information 0:43:30.280 --> 0:43:32.840 will free flow. The last thing that I'll say is 0:43:32.880 --> 0:43:35.359 something that you and Andrew said which made me kind 0:43:35.360 --> 0:43:39.160 of jump a little bit, is it's about It's about 0:43:39.200 --> 0:43:43.120 AI and the way that we approach it right And 0:43:44.200 --> 0:43:46.560 I think and I know that we probably will get 0:43:46.600 --> 0:43:48.840 to the same place, but the way that it was 0:43:48.960 --> 0:43:52.320 couched it scares me a little bit. And the reason 0:43:52.400 --> 0:43:55.759 it scares me is because many times black folk end 0:43:55.840 --> 0:44:00.960 up in diametrical opposition from the next thing. And what 0:44:01.040 --> 0:44:04.120 I don't want to do is ever frame us, because 0:44:04.360 --> 0:44:07.200 it will leave us behind. I want us to be 0:44:07.239 --> 0:44:09.840 a part of this new revolution. I want us to 0:44:09.920 --> 0:44:13.640 find our footing in artificial intelligence. I want us to 0:44:13.680 --> 0:44:15.680 be able to accept it in our communities. I want 0:44:15.760 --> 0:44:17.719 us to be able to monetize it in our communities. 0:44:17.840 --> 0:44:19.120 I want us to be able to use it in 0:44:19.160 --> 0:44:23.440 our communities. I will it contribute to the culture of 0:44:23.440 --> 0:44:27.200 anti intellectualism, probably, but we also do we want it 0:44:27.239 --> 0:44:29.960 to contribute to the culture of anti intellectualism and to 0:44:30.040 --> 0:44:32.279 leave us behind in terms of being a part of 0:44:32.320 --> 0:44:34.640 this ship that we know is coming. Or do we 0:44:34.719 --> 0:44:38.960 take this posture being anti intellectual? I mean, we take 0:44:39.000 --> 0:44:42.080 this posture being anti AI to a point where again 0:44:42.160 --> 0:44:45.239 we're talking about man if thirty years ago, forty years ago, 0:44:45.320 --> 0:44:46.839 fifty years ago, we would have been on the front 0:44:46.840 --> 0:44:50.160 lines of XYZ, It's different. This isn't a this is 0:44:50.200 --> 0:44:52.960 not an indictment on Andrew talking about the way that 0:44:53.000 --> 0:44:55.399 he integrates books with his children, et cetera, et cetera, 0:44:55.400 --> 0:44:57.200 et cetera. And I want to be clear about that 0:44:57.280 --> 0:44:58.960 because I try to do the same thing. I want 0:44:58.960 --> 0:45:00.600 my kids to be well rad I want that I'm 0:45:00.600 --> 0:45:02.840 actually going to steal that thing about writing birthday cards, 0:45:02.920 --> 0:45:05.239 not because I'm as cheap as Andrew, but because I 0:45:05.280 --> 0:45:08.840 think it's just a good parenting idea. But I do 0:45:08.960 --> 0:45:11.200 want us to to kind of posture ourselves with this 0:45:11.239 --> 0:45:14.360 new innovation is not just looking at the detriment but 0:45:14.400 --> 0:45:17.120 also looking at the plus. Mind you, I'm not someone 0:45:17.120 --> 0:45:20.040 who knows all the pluses, but I'm willing to try. 0:45:20.719 --> 0:45:24.240 I hear you Andrew. I mean, I'm. 0:45:30.880 --> 0:45:32.759 I'm about to go markle My Hill and his mother, 0:45:32.960 --> 0:45:33.840 and that's what I'm about to do. 0:45:36.080 --> 0:45:36.680 I don't want to know. 0:45:36.880 --> 0:45:38.120 Here's the thing, here's the thing. 0:45:38.160 --> 0:45:40.840 Tip you he ain't coming because guess what you behind 0:45:40.880 --> 0:45:44.200 a screen, he feel a real bowl right over there. 0:45:45.760 --> 0:45:47.080 I hear you on the A. 0:45:47.200 --> 0:45:49.680 I point And just in transparency, I did reach out 0:45:49.680 --> 0:45:52.239 to Mark and invite him on our show and he 0:45:52.880 --> 0:45:57.960 enthusiastically accepted. So look for Mark to join the podcast 0:45:58.000 --> 0:46:00.160 in the coming weeks and I can't wait to have 0:46:00.200 --> 0:46:02.120 him here to invite him. And I'm so happy Angelaie 0:46:02.200 --> 0:46:04.799 referenced that other clip because that was the other clip 0:46:04.840 --> 0:46:07.240 that I was so offended by. But to your point, 0:46:07.520 --> 0:46:11.040 Bakari one about AI, it's not, you know, I don't 0:46:11.040 --> 0:46:13.560 think the answer to you know, will dis contribute to 0:46:13.560 --> 0:46:17.680 anti intellectualism. Probably the answer is absolutely like we have 0:46:17.800 --> 0:46:19.920 the data right now this shows that. But I do 0:46:20.000 --> 0:46:22.400 take your point, and I'm in this debate with almost 0:46:22.480 --> 0:46:27.200 everybody I talked to about and as Angelin knows, I 0:46:27.200 --> 0:46:29.640 don't like the debate. But I'm in this debate because 0:46:29.680 --> 0:46:32.239 people are trying Because people are trying to convince me. 0:46:32.760 --> 0:46:35.279 To like AI, and I'm like, I'm not. 0:46:35.640 --> 0:46:38.640 I know it's necessary, it's here, but I'm not going 0:46:38.680 --> 0:46:40.160 to be one of these people. It's like, I'm so 0:46:40.239 --> 0:46:43.160 excited about AI. I do think just like social media, 0:46:43.200 --> 0:46:46.359 it does intellects, and I think us we grew up 0:46:46.400 --> 0:46:49.239 without social media, we grew up without AI, and so 0:46:49.360 --> 0:46:52.239 our brains are wired differently where we can utilize these 0:46:52.280 --> 0:46:56.600 tools and still maintain some level of cognitive function. Young 0:46:56.640 --> 0:46:59.560 people do not have that privilege. I also will say, 0:46:59.680 --> 0:47:02.080 on this an area where we likely disagree, I made 0:47:02.080 --> 0:47:05.520 the cheese may stand alone on this one too. I'm 0:47:05.560 --> 0:47:08.440 not saying it's something wrong with engaging the flips of 0:47:08.480 --> 0:47:12.040 the world. I would never say Andrew Bacari Angela, y'all 0:47:12.040 --> 0:47:16.840 should not engage the flips. I'm saying I, Tiffany, have 0:47:16.960 --> 0:47:19.000 no desire to engage. 0:47:18.640 --> 0:47:19.600 The flips of the world. 0:47:19.680 --> 0:47:22.680 I don't choose to be in a conversation. But that's 0:47:22.680 --> 0:47:24.839 just not my ministry. I wouldn't be good at it, 0:47:25.640 --> 0:47:28.120 and I just have no desire. And yes, I do 0:47:28.239 --> 0:47:32.480 maintain I do not respect everybody's opinion on everything, and yes, 0:47:32.560 --> 0:47:35.319 we respect each other's opinion here on most things, but 0:47:35.400 --> 0:47:37.719 there are some things. I mean, Bikari, if you came 0:47:37.760 --> 0:47:39.840 to me and was like, oh your period coming, you 0:47:39.880 --> 0:47:41.160 got a cramp, this is what you need to do, 0:47:41.520 --> 0:47:43.560 I'm probably like, what are you basing that on? 0:47:43.640 --> 0:47:45.879 Bcar? Like where did you get that from? Like that's 0:47:45.880 --> 0:47:49.279 not necessarily your area of expertise, So I might not. 0:47:49.320 --> 0:47:53.120 I got that off. I got that off Instagram. The lady. 0:47:59.200 --> 0:48:02.440 Listen and how bad the crabs are. 0:48:02.520 --> 0:48:04.239 I might listen to a wh. 0:48:06.520 --> 0:48:09.200 But I hear that so often and people are like, oh, well, 0:48:09.200 --> 0:48:11.800 I got a hunch, or I got it off Instagram, 0:48:11.840 --> 0:48:14.000 or I saw it on TikTok, or I know for 0:48:14.080 --> 0:48:16.280 a fact, Well, how do you know for a fact? 0:48:16.360 --> 0:48:18.319 And then more often people told me because so and 0:48:18.360 --> 0:48:20.560 so told me that you don't know for a fact. 0:48:20.600 --> 0:48:22.719 If you didn't talk to the source, then you don't 0:48:22.760 --> 0:48:26.680 know something for a fact. So I don't respect everyone's. 0:48:26.400 --> 0:48:29.959 Opinion sports and your. 0:48:31.520 --> 0:48:32.640 All, how dare you? 0:48:32.960 --> 0:48:35.960 I am happy to be the sports expert, but there 0:48:35.960 --> 0:48:37.640 are some things that y'all shouldn't. 0:48:37.239 --> 0:48:39.160 Respect my opinion on, like and I think that. 0:48:39.280 --> 0:48:41.960 Let me just say this, Let me say what my 0:48:42.000 --> 0:48:44.680 fear is when I go into conversations about respect. And 0:48:44.719 --> 0:48:47.120 also let me just say that Tiffany and people that 0:48:47.160 --> 0:48:50.520 are listening, protect your peace right. You were the only 0:48:50.560 --> 0:48:53.200 one that knows how to make sure that you are 0:48:53.280 --> 0:48:55.960 as healthy mentally and emotionally to go forward. Amen, And 0:48:56.040 --> 0:48:59.319 I don't want you decompensating overdoing some other bullshit that 0:48:59.400 --> 0:49:03.240 otherwise you and do. However, my only point in saying 0:49:03.239 --> 0:49:06.040 that we have to approach these conversations in respect, and 0:49:06.080 --> 0:49:09.000 I'm glad that Mark is having these conversations, is that 0:49:09.160 --> 0:49:14.680 particularly with black folks and black intelligentsia, the gulf between 0:49:15.040 --> 0:49:20.360 black intelligentsia and those people who are intellectually curious is widening. 0:49:21.440 --> 0:49:24.520 A lot to do with societal and policy factors, but 0:49:24.760 --> 0:49:27.040 also whether or not we want to hear this or not, 0:49:27.480 --> 0:49:31.200 we're pushing them away, and so I think we have 0:49:31.280 --> 0:49:34.160 to be very cognizant. And we speaking I'm not speaking French, 0:49:34.200 --> 0:49:36.799 I mean global weed. I mean we have to be 0:49:36.960 --> 0:49:39.640 very cognizant that sometimes you want to say, Man, I 0:49:39.719 --> 0:49:42.000 just want to have a conversation with Andrew Gilloman marcom 0:49:42.040 --> 0:49:44.279 On Hill. You know, those are the people I want 0:49:44.280 --> 0:49:46.160 to talk to because those are the people that get 0:49:46.239 --> 0:49:48.480 me and we can talk about politics with some depth. 0:49:49.120 --> 0:49:51.399 And then when somebody asks you a question and they 0:49:51.400 --> 0:49:54.480 come to you and they're like, man, so again, you know, 0:49:54.520 --> 0:49:57.440 Steven A was talking about this in Jasmine Crockett on appropriations, 0:49:57.440 --> 0:49:59.080 and then you don't want to go there with them 0:49:59.120 --> 0:50:02.560 because of that intellect, actual curiosity, and you push them away. 0:50:02.800 --> 0:50:05.600 Then they begin to seek out other sources. And so 0:50:05.760 --> 0:50:08.440 I'm trying to figure out how we how we feel 0:50:08.480 --> 0:50:11.640 that vacuum. And that's why, you know Mark, if Mark 0:50:11.680 --> 0:50:14.239 got it, I'll pay for some boxing lessons. That's what 0:50:14.360 --> 0:50:17.000 it takes for him to go and be successful on 0:50:17.040 --> 0:50:19.120 the Joe Button podcast. You know what I mean? 0:50:19.280 --> 0:50:20.680 You know what I wish we had started with, and 0:50:20.760 --> 0:50:22.960 I know we're wrapping this topic up. I wish we 0:50:23.000 --> 0:50:25.960 would have started with what we think we heard in 0:50:26.000 --> 0:50:29.239 the exchange, you know, just a little interpretation of what 0:50:29.320 --> 0:50:32.759 that idea actually didn't. What I will say is I 0:50:32.800 --> 0:50:36.040 didn't think that there were fancy words dividing what each 0:50:36.040 --> 0:50:38.560 of them understood the other to be saying. It wasn't 0:50:38.600 --> 0:50:42.640 a vocabulary contest. It was somebody saying, you're always using 0:50:42.719 --> 0:50:45.759 words that feel bigger than what this conversation really ought 0:50:45.760 --> 0:50:48.440 to be. About to impress somebody and to cuddle up 0:50:48.480 --> 0:50:50.600 to this audience and to make you know, people feel 0:50:50.600 --> 0:50:52.919 better about this part of that part. And he said, nah, 0:50:52.960 --> 0:50:55.040 I didn't do that. You think they're big words because 0:50:55.040 --> 0:50:57.799 you don't always understand them, and dudes like, nah, I 0:50:57.840 --> 0:50:59.880 don't you just always you know, you're always doing too much. 0:51:00.200 --> 0:51:01.719 But we can go on and all that, But there 0:51:01.719 --> 0:51:05.360 were there were not big divides in understanding what the 0:51:05.400 --> 0:51:08.960 other was saying. I completely I feel like I followed 0:51:09.280 --> 0:51:11.839 what the beef may have been or been or may 0:51:11.880 --> 0:51:14.240 not have been about. And that's why this whole idea 0:51:14.280 --> 0:51:16.520 that some condescension and the way in which we talk 0:51:16.560 --> 0:51:18.080 about these things has to take place in order for 0:51:18.160 --> 0:51:20.440 us to be on the same plane of debate is 0:51:20.480 --> 0:51:22.840 a little weird to me. I think a lot of 0:51:22.880 --> 0:51:25.920 times it may make us feel good to say we 0:51:25.960 --> 0:51:28.080 got to use a different vocabulary in order for all 0:51:28.120 --> 0:51:30.440 of us to be on the same page, but at 0:51:30.440 --> 0:51:33.560 a very different level, I don't think the vocabulary is 0:51:33.560 --> 0:51:35.759 the problem at all. I'm hearing exactly, I'm picking up 0:51:35.800 --> 0:51:38.359 exactly what you're putting down. I'm picking it all up. 0:51:38.640 --> 0:51:40.600 I'm telling you, this is the part about it where 0:51:40.640 --> 0:51:42.719 you're not gonna come at me that way and you're 0:51:42.760 --> 0:51:44.880 still coming. But you're not gonna come at me that 0:51:44.960 --> 0:51:47.840 way and you're still coming. And so what has to 0:51:47.840 --> 0:51:50.960 happen is it's not like we're refusing to have the conversation. 0:51:51.040 --> 0:51:54.920 The conversation is being had. It's absolutely being had. Now, 0:51:54.920 --> 0:51:58.560 whether or not you're properly interpreting you know, you know 0:51:58.640 --> 0:52:02.000 my disc versus you're that is something completely different. I 0:52:02.440 --> 0:52:07.040 resent the idea that you have to speak Why can't 0:52:07.040 --> 0:52:10.200 we call up instead of acting down or calling down? 0:52:10.320 --> 0:52:14.360 What is the matter we're calling up into a conversation? 0:52:14.480 --> 0:52:14.960 What's that mean? 0:52:15.040 --> 0:52:19.440 Calling for me? It simply is we don't have to 0:52:19.520 --> 0:52:22.200 use cuss words the whole way through in order for 0:52:22.320 --> 0:52:25.680 us to feel like we're having a very gutter, you know, 0:52:26.160 --> 0:52:28.600 conversation that everybody can reach into. But what do you 0:52:28.800 --> 0:52:32.560 mean precisely what you just said, what you just exampled. 0:52:32.840 --> 0:52:35.800 It's just one way at it that I think sometimes 0:52:35.800 --> 0:52:38.440 this whole idea of meeting people at their level and 0:52:38.480 --> 0:52:40.680 this sort of thing is an insult to the people 0:52:40.680 --> 0:52:43.359 for whom you think you're a meeting that sometimes that 0:52:43.360 --> 0:52:46.040 that meeting can take place at a very common place, 0:52:46.440 --> 0:52:49.560 at a very decent and respectable place, without us going, 0:52:49.960 --> 0:52:52.600 you know, without us going outside ourselves. 0:52:52.800 --> 0:52:58.680 You know, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm over here in justing. 0:52:58.680 --> 0:53:00.879 I'm working, y'all, and I'm trying. I'm doing the best 0:53:00.920 --> 0:53:01.520 I can with the. 0:53:03.239 --> 0:53:04.560 I feel man's explain. 0:53:05.239 --> 0:53:07.080 I'm gonna say he really does have a delay. Is 0:53:07.120 --> 0:53:10.520 getting on our nerves. But I will just say this too. 0:53:11.239 --> 0:53:15.799 I think it is really important for us to understand 0:53:15.840 --> 0:53:19.239 that sometimes this is about inadequacy. And I think that 0:53:19.440 --> 0:53:22.520 if our if anybody should understand what it is like 0:53:22.640 --> 0:53:27.040 to feel voiceless or silenced, what it is like to 0:53:27.120 --> 0:53:32.080 feel unheard or invisible, unseen, I think it's to be 0:53:32.120 --> 0:53:32.760 black folks. 0:53:33.320 --> 0:53:34.920 And that's why I'm like, I don't know. 0:53:34.880 --> 0:53:39.000 How we got to a place where our conversations are 0:53:39.040 --> 0:53:43.520 so siloed. You know, the construct of the neighborhood doesn't 0:53:43.520 --> 0:53:45.200 look the same anymore. There's gentrification. 0:53:45.640 --> 0:53:46.120 The kids. 0:53:46.200 --> 0:53:49.160 You know, some kids are going to private school and 0:53:49.200 --> 0:53:51.000 their parents afford it, can afford to send them there, 0:53:51.000 --> 0:53:53.399 but they still trying to find them communal activities. Some 0:53:53.480 --> 0:53:55.400 of our folks, but there are so many more who 0:53:55.480 --> 0:53:59.040 don't feel comfortable sending black kids with other black children, 0:53:59.320 --> 0:54:02.279 and so they are siloed. And I do think we 0:54:02.400 --> 0:54:05.640 have an obligation for unity's sake, just for math, like 0:54:05.719 --> 0:54:08.280 there ain't enough of us for all of these additional divides. 0:54:08.880 --> 0:54:14.880 This man on this show, though, hattn't. 0:54:14.920 --> 0:54:18.000 I don't feel come to terms with the fact that 0:54:18.160 --> 0:54:21.520 he is on the other side of disrespect too often 0:54:21.600 --> 0:54:25.200 with Mark, And so what Mark was focused on someone 0:54:25.239 --> 0:54:27.840 who is smart, and we know in our community sometimes 0:54:27.840 --> 0:54:32.040 when you're smart, you are bullied like all of your life, 0:54:32.080 --> 0:54:34.439 Like you are bullied if you're the one that seen 0:54:34.560 --> 0:54:37.439 reading books and you don't play at recess sometimes because 0:54:37.440 --> 0:54:39.120 you want to do your homework or whatever. I'm not 0:54:39.160 --> 0:54:44.840 saying that's Mark's story, but sometimes it is. And you still, nigga, 0:54:45.200 --> 0:54:47.319 You'll get mad every now and then are like, let 0:54:47.360 --> 0:54:50.200 me tell you what you shouldn't get confused. And I 0:54:50.239 --> 0:54:53.200 think that's the part what he was focusing on, Andrews, 0:54:53.200 --> 0:54:56.160 that you were talking about. The why I heard Mark 0:54:56.320 --> 0:55:00.440 almost zone in on the sucker shit remark. He was like, 0:55:00.520 --> 0:55:02.600 you ain't gonna call me sucker too many more times, 0:55:02.600 --> 0:55:06.400 And it's because he's constantly having that experience on the podcast, 0:55:06.400 --> 0:55:09.080 which is why that's my concern for his mental health. 0:55:09.120 --> 0:55:09.400 Now. 0:55:10.160 --> 0:55:13.120 Mark is mature and older and had an angry outburst, 0:55:13.160 --> 0:55:14.680 but also checked himself. I was like, wait a minute, 0:55:14.760 --> 0:55:17.279 let's I'll calm down to try to reel it back in. 0:55:17.320 --> 0:55:19.399 But there are a lot of kids who don't have 0:55:19.440 --> 0:55:23.200 the tools to emotionally do that at school, and they're 0:55:23.239 --> 0:55:25.400 the ones who end up taking the gun to school. 0:55:25.760 --> 0:55:27.840 They're the ones who I agree. 0:55:27.600 --> 0:55:29.799 With you one hundred percent on this all really being 0:55:29.800 --> 0:55:32.920 about a conversation of inadequacy, and the truth is is 0:55:32.960 --> 0:55:36.839 that it was inadequacy on both sides than you can 0:55:37.040 --> 0:55:40.640 there's some that because yeah, yes, go right ahead. 0:55:41.040 --> 0:55:42.759 No, because I was gonna say one of the things 0:55:42.760 --> 0:55:45.040 we have not brought to the forefront is the fact 0:55:45.120 --> 0:55:47.640 that y'all do realize. Mark called this nigga dumb. 0:55:50.760 --> 0:55:51.759 I did not hear that. 0:55:51.840 --> 0:55:52.279 How did you? 0:55:52.600 --> 0:55:53.040 He said? 0:55:53.239 --> 0:55:58.800 He said, I'm using words that are tricky to you. 0:56:00.239 --> 0:56:02.400 He responded to say, you're using them tricky words and 0:56:02.400 --> 0:56:05.000 he said, I'm not, you know not, come on tip that. 0:56:06.360 --> 0:56:07.120 I disagree. 0:56:07.160 --> 0:56:09.759 And this is why I don't have conversations with with 0:56:10.400 --> 0:56:14.400 with people like that, because to me, that people like 0:56:14.480 --> 0:56:18.600 him because you, because Mark made him feel small, because 0:56:19.360 --> 0:56:22.520 so fragile, because well this will we disagree. 0:56:22.680 --> 0:56:24.280 I've Mark made him feel small. 0:56:24.400 --> 0:56:26.880 And when he said you use those tricky words, and 0:56:26.920 --> 0:56:29.719 Mark said, I don't use tricky words. I'm using words 0:56:29.760 --> 0:56:32.040 that are tricky to you, I actually agree with that. 0:56:32.280 --> 0:56:35.360 I don't have to like again if my ministry like, 0:56:35.560 --> 0:56:39.600 I applaud anybody who goes into spaces and says, yes, 0:56:39.760 --> 0:56:42.320 I can. You are the person I'm seeking out the 0:56:42.560 --> 0:56:45.239 flips of the world are the people I want to engage. 0:56:45.520 --> 0:56:47.239 I applaud it. I don't look down on that. I 0:56:47.280 --> 0:56:48.600 don't think there's anything wrong with that. 0:56:48.840 --> 0:56:51.359 I'm saying. I know because I'm gonna respond how Mark did. 0:56:51.680 --> 0:56:54.239 Don't try to belittle me because I'm using the word 0:56:54.280 --> 0:56:56.839 you don't understand. Don't try to put a put down 0:56:56.840 --> 0:56:58.799 to me because I'm talking about something that might be 0:56:58.840 --> 0:56:59.919 a bit over your head. 0:57:00.280 --> 0:57:02.280 So I did not hear Mark call him dumb. 0:57:02.440 --> 0:57:05.680 I heard Mark saying, no, don't try to say something 0:57:05.680 --> 0:57:08.040 to me because I'm using a word you don't understand. 0:57:08.160 --> 0:57:10.600 Use your curiosity and say, Mark, can you better explain 0:57:10.640 --> 0:57:13.240 your point? You all talk about things all the time. 0:57:13.440 --> 0:57:16.400 Angela and I have breakfast in New York with our 0:57:16.440 --> 0:57:19.200 boil off Onso. They're both attorneys, and so they were 0:57:19.240 --> 0:57:22.000 saying things that I didn't follow. I didn't understand, and 0:57:22.080 --> 0:57:24.080 Angela was saying and stuff like well, i'd have to 0:57:24.120 --> 0:57:27.480 pro howk in and up yup because discovery. I didn't 0:57:27.480 --> 0:57:30.080 get that. I wasn't sitting there like I mean, y'all 0:57:30.120 --> 0:57:32.360 all using them tricky words like I'm here too. I'm like, 0:57:32.400 --> 0:57:33.680 what is that mean exactly? 0:57:33.680 --> 0:57:33.880 You know? 0:57:33.960 --> 0:57:34.800 I mean, was I not? 0:57:35.080 --> 0:57:37.600 But t if you're a wire different, you're wired different. 0:57:37.600 --> 0:57:40.160 And I think what the three of us, I don't 0:57:40.200 --> 0:57:41.240 want to speak for the boys. 0:57:41.280 --> 0:57:42.680 I'll let them do it themselves. 0:57:42.720 --> 0:57:45.880 But the three of us may have heard an implication 0:57:46.120 --> 0:57:49.880 of dumb if somebody said that, well, I mean, that's 0:57:49.920 --> 0:57:52.960 still dumb, like whether he said it directly or was implied. 0:57:53.000 --> 0:57:54.640 If somebody said back to me, I'm like, I don't 0:57:54.640 --> 0:57:56.240 know what y'all talk about, and they'd be like, well, 0:57:56.280 --> 0:57:58.720 you don't know because you slow, that's not calling me dumb. 0:57:58.840 --> 0:57:59.720 But he didn't say that. 0:58:00.160 --> 0:58:02.200 I know, But I'm trying to give you an analogy. 0:58:02.320 --> 0:58:04.280 No debater, you know, she not debated, y'all. 0:58:04.920 --> 0:58:07.280 I wanted at some point we're gonna talk tell that 0:58:07.320 --> 0:58:09.800 conversation because I think we're people probably agree with Angela 0:58:09.880 --> 0:58:10.640 when we talk about it. 0:58:10.720 --> 0:58:13.000 But anyway, well, I didn't want to say. 0:58:12.800 --> 0:58:14.760 This, but it would be go ahead, Butkari, because we 0:58:14.760 --> 0:58:18.439 would be really good, we get to yes, yes. 0:58:18.240 --> 0:58:20.880 No, because I'm gonna let y'all have this reparation conversation 0:58:20.920 --> 0:58:22.440 on the west coast. We don't know what those are 0:58:22.480 --> 0:58:27.200 in South Carolina. But I when I when I said 0:58:27.240 --> 0:58:30.200 the conversation was layered, I saw two people get heated 0:58:30.200 --> 0:58:32.680 in a conversation. I saw, you know, they're going back 0:58:32.720 --> 0:58:34.640 and forth about something you're doing. I saw Mark call 0:58:34.760 --> 0:58:37.520 him dumb. I saw the guy respond is if somebody 0:58:37.600 --> 0:58:39.640 just called him dumb. I saw a conversation get out 0:58:39.640 --> 0:58:41.520 of hand. But the thing that you got to point 0:58:41.520 --> 0:58:44.360 out that Angela hit on was something that our brother 0:58:44.400 --> 0:58:46.600 Marco my Hill should get credit for, which is that 0:58:46.760 --> 0:58:50.400 he had the emotional intelligence to see a conversation get 0:58:50.400 --> 0:58:52.080 out of hand at the end of that clip and 0:58:52.120 --> 0:58:55.440 said let me sit down, let me back away. And 0:58:55.480 --> 0:58:59.360 Angela highlighted something that I do not want to go unnoticed. 0:58:59.400 --> 0:59:02.760 And I'm to be over here. You know, going to 0:59:02.840 --> 0:59:06.000 be a black man whisperer all the time, but when 0:59:06.000 --> 0:59:09.439 the point comes up, I will say this that there 0:59:09.520 --> 0:59:11.960 are a lot of our young boys who do not 0:59:12.280 --> 0:59:15.400 and cannot because they don't have the tools display the 0:59:15.480 --> 0:59:20.120 level of emotional intelligence that Mark got and Mark showed, 0:59:20.280 --> 0:59:23.280 and sometimes they're going to have these discussions and debates 0:59:23.800 --> 0:59:27.480 at you know, sixth grade, seventh grade, eighth grade, and 0:59:27.600 --> 0:59:32.040 instead of being expelled from school, which becomes cyclical and 0:59:32.120 --> 0:59:34.480 kicked out of school, if they're able to say, wait 0:59:34.520 --> 0:59:38.080 a minute, let me cool down, let cooler heads prevail. 0:59:38.480 --> 0:59:40.400 I think that is also a lesson that we can 0:59:40.440 --> 0:59:42.320 take for Mark Lamont Hill, even if he didn't want 0:59:42.320 --> 0:59:44.320 to be in that space, because sometimes people get us 0:59:44.320 --> 0:59:47.120 out of character, and sometimes black folks got to get 0:59:47.120 --> 0:59:50.240 out of character, and so you know, I think being 0:59:50.280 --> 0:59:54.000 able to pull yourself back in sometimes and breathe. I 0:59:54.080 --> 0:59:55.520 give Mark full props for that. 0:59:56.320 --> 0:59:56.560 Yeah. 0:59:56.720 --> 1:00:00.800 Well, speaking of pulling, the governor of CA California does 1:00:00.840 --> 1:00:04.160 not think that we should have reparations, and I think 1:00:04.200 --> 1:00:07.360 that is this is a continuation of a Booker T. 1:00:07.600 --> 1:00:12.080 Washington concept of pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps. 1:00:12.080 --> 1:00:14.680 We don't have no boots for in So somehow that 1:00:14.760 --> 1:00:19.439 got a little confused. We are going to talk now 1:00:19.640 --> 1:00:24.120 about him vetoing some measures and if you can't tell, 1:00:24.160 --> 1:00:26.480 I am trying to pull what those measures are exactly. 1:00:26.560 --> 1:00:29.480 There was one, Angela, No. 1:00:29.480 --> 1:00:31.400 I got it there there was There was one that 1:00:31.440 --> 1:00:34.360 I want to point out to interestingly, as there is 1:00:34.400 --> 1:00:37.960 this onslaught of attacks on higher education, one of the 1:00:38.000 --> 1:00:42.560 bills was a post secondary education admissions preference which would 1:00:42.560 --> 1:00:46.280 have been for descendants of the enslaved. What I think 1:00:46.360 --> 1:00:50.240 is fascinating here is this is Assembly Bill seven who 1:00:50.280 --> 1:00:50.800 was introduced. 1:00:50.840 --> 1:00:52.320 It was introduced by Isaac Bryan. 1:00:52.760 --> 1:00:56.160 What's fascinating about this is there's this attack, this violent 1:00:56.200 --> 1:00:59.360 attack almost on universities all over the country. They think 1:00:59.360 --> 1:01:03.480 that this bill have violated Proposition two nine. That's what 1:01:03.560 --> 1:01:05.120 I talked about at the top of this show. Then 1:01:05.160 --> 1:01:08.440 there's the California Dream for all people. This would have 1:01:08.480 --> 1:01:12.880 also benefited a descendants of enslaved people. That also was vetoed. 1:01:13.000 --> 1:01:16.520 That was AB fifty seven. Assembly Bill fifty seven. Assembly 1:01:16.520 --> 1:01:21.920 Bill sixty two would have had the Civil Rights Department 1:01:22.800 --> 1:01:26.040 deal with racially motivated imminent domain, which we know is 1:01:26.080 --> 1:01:29.800 a big issue in California, but also all over this country, 1:01:30.560 --> 1:01:32.840 issues like airs property as well have come up, and 1:01:32.880 --> 1:01:35.919 of course folks lose in property for property tax debt 1:01:36.280 --> 1:01:38.960 has been a major issue that also was vetoed. Then 1:01:38.960 --> 1:01:42.480 there was Assembly Bill seven forty two that were for 1:01:42.520 --> 1:01:46.440 the Department of Consumer Affairs, the licensing would be preferential 1:01:46.480 --> 1:01:49.440 for anyone who was a descendant of an enslaved person. 1:01:49.480 --> 1:01:52.840 And lastly Assembly Bill seven sixty six, this would have 1:01:53.440 --> 1:01:58.320 provided strategic plans for diversity, equity and inclusion for state 1:01:58.360 --> 1:02:04.080 agencies and departments. Gavin Newsome saw it fit to veto 1:02:04.160 --> 1:02:06.400 not one, not two, not three, not four, but five 1:02:06.640 --> 1:02:11.760 bills that would have provided some benefit to enslaved people 1:02:12.560 --> 1:02:16.360 of descendants of people who were enslaved. And I think 1:02:16.440 --> 1:02:20.520 what is mind blowing about this is what he agreed 1:02:20.560 --> 1:02:25.000 to was a study. We know over and over again 1:02:25.160 --> 1:02:30.520 that folks are put into position to review. And maybe 1:02:30.520 --> 1:02:33.520 it's because this textbook thing that people have been bandoned 1:02:33.520 --> 1:02:35.640 textbooks long before they were off the shelves, they wouldn't 1:02:35.640 --> 1:02:38.120 even look at them to deal with guilt. So now 1:02:38.560 --> 1:02:44.360 Gavin Newsom, who has found time to engage with white Republicans, 1:02:44.440 --> 1:02:49.520 especially those who support and lift up white racist ideology 1:02:50.000 --> 1:02:54.840 saw fit to veto five bills that would have provided 1:02:54.880 --> 1:02:57.439 some type of restorative or reparative justice for folks who 1:02:58.400 --> 1:02:59.960 are descendants of enslaved people. 1:03:00.880 --> 1:03:01.760 So I'll just the. 1:03:01.720 --> 1:03:03.959 Best a little bit of clarity and then I don't 1:03:03.960 --> 1:03:06.480 have to lay in on it. But the bill that 1:03:06.560 --> 1:03:10.720 he did sign was authorizing six million dollars for California 1:03:10.760 --> 1:03:15.640 State University to study how to confirm an individual status 1:03:15.760 --> 1:03:18.520 as a descendant of an enslaved person. And for context 1:03:18.600 --> 1:03:22.040 out if you've been following on the reparations issue in California, 1:03:22.080 --> 1:03:24.320 a few years ago, the state legislature. 1:03:23.880 --> 1:03:25.000 Did approve. 1:03:26.440 --> 1:03:29.480 A similar bill of reparations bill which also caused a 1:03:29.520 --> 1:03:33.040 lot of controversy because one people began to question the 1:03:33.080 --> 1:03:36.080 history of slavery and how many people were enslaved in California, 1:03:36.120 --> 1:03:38.280 And of course there were enslaved people in California, and 1:03:38.320 --> 1:03:41.640 California certainly benefit from the institution of slavery, as did 1:03:41.640 --> 1:03:45.560 every state in America too. It became quite a debate 1:03:45.680 --> 1:03:53.280 because there was controversy over if you were a descendant 1:03:53.480 --> 1:03:57.640 of an enslaved person here in America. And so the 1:03:58.000 --> 1:04:00.880 ahead of the Black Caucus at the time, who had 1:04:00.920 --> 1:04:05.640 authored this bill was out and about trying to defend that. 1:04:05.680 --> 1:04:07.840 They were saying, yes, you have to be a descendant 1:04:07.880 --> 1:04:09.840 of an enslaved person here in America. So when you 1:04:09.880 --> 1:04:14.080 think about people, maybe you know your parents migrated from 1:04:14.240 --> 1:04:17.160 the Caribbean, which also benefit from the slave trade. They 1:04:17.160 --> 1:04:19.280 were saying, if your mama gotta be it happens to 1:04:19.280 --> 1:04:22.000 be Jamaican, or your grandma was Jamaican, then you do 1:04:22.120 --> 1:04:24.560 not qualify for these bills. So the reparations issue in 1:04:24.560 --> 1:04:28.120 California has been a huge deal. This also isn't unlike 1:04:28.600 --> 1:04:30.840 what we've seen in Congress. Angela could probably say more 1:04:30.880 --> 1:04:35.280 about this on what Congress from Mishila Jackson Lee. Correct 1:04:35.280 --> 1:04:36.680 me if I'm wrong, angel I think I have this 1:04:36.760 --> 1:04:39.280 rite I'm pulling from memory. Congress from Mishila Jackson Lee 1:04:39.320 --> 1:04:42.280 was also a big advocate on just a study, and 1:04:42.360 --> 1:04:45.760 if I am correct, that study was also never a 1:04:45.800 --> 1:04:48.880 Congress kept saying no, we won't even approve a bill 1:04:48.960 --> 1:04:52.760 to study what reparations would look like. And there have 1:04:52.760 --> 1:04:57.280 been similar measures all across the country, even including in Maryland. 1:04:57.280 --> 1:05:00.200 Our friend friend of the Shelle Governor Wes Moore, who 1:05:00.200 --> 1:05:05.080 also vetoed a reparations bill. So that's the context, and 1:05:05.760 --> 1:05:08.080 I'm not sure that we'll ever see reparations in this 1:05:08.120 --> 1:05:10.400 country at the state or a federal level, to be honest. 1:05:10.560 --> 1:05:12.800 I think the other thing that's important here is he 1:05:12.840 --> 1:05:15.320 did approve for measures. All of them had to do 1:05:15.720 --> 1:05:19.040 with how you file or receive a civil rights complaint, 1:05:19.640 --> 1:05:22.720 how dollars are being spent in post secondary education. There 1:05:22.720 --> 1:05:25.760 have been four bills that he approved since August. All 1:05:25.800 --> 1:05:27.960 of them have to do with study or the ways 1:05:28.000 --> 1:05:31.760 in which civil rights complaints are decided. And sadly, and 1:05:31.800 --> 1:05:33.960 maybe this was on purpose, I'm willing to say at 1:05:33.960 --> 1:05:35.920 this point the way this guy moves it could be 1:05:35.960 --> 1:05:40.800 on purpose. He knows that there are federal dollars that 1:05:40.840 --> 1:05:43.480 would have to help to determine whether or not the 1:05:43.520 --> 1:05:47.280 Department of Education, for example, in California, can even go 1:05:47.360 --> 1:05:51.760 through and have the actual funding necessary to address said claims. 1:05:52.080 --> 1:05:54.480 The other thing that we have to just be clear 1:05:54.520 --> 1:05:58.720 about is some of the state funding that would go 1:05:58.720 --> 1:06:01.160 to CSU, which is where one of the bills also 1:06:01.800 --> 1:06:05.920 and impacts California State University, also federal dollars. So the 1:06:05.920 --> 1:06:08.880 moment they do something that is in the crosshairs of 1:06:08.920 --> 1:06:11.800 the federal government. They will likely lose federal funding. We've 1:06:11.840 --> 1:06:13.960 already seen that happen. So the bills that. 1:06:13.920 --> 1:06:16.320 He approved, I think all of them are contingent in 1:06:16.320 --> 1:06:18.400 some way at least or at least can put them 1:06:18.400 --> 1:06:20.200 in the crosshairs of losing federal funding. 1:06:20.240 --> 1:06:23.200 How do you compare his vetail to that of Governor 1:06:23.240 --> 1:06:27.360 Wes Moore, because they both essentially I mean, yeah, anybody. 1:06:27.000 --> 1:06:29.320 Yeah, Wes Moore was it was a study. He said 1:06:29.320 --> 1:06:32.400 that they had done enough studies. I tend to agree. 1:06:32.440 --> 1:06:34.200 I just would have liked to see him establish an 1:06:34.200 --> 1:06:37.439 implementation task force to move beyond the study part. But yeah, 1:06:37.480 --> 1:06:40.120 these are not studies. These were implementation bills. 1:06:40.120 --> 1:06:42.760 They need vegoed. He approved a study. Yeah, I mean, I. 1:06:43.400 --> 1:06:46.080 Love Wes, and so I've actually given Wes this criticism 1:06:46.120 --> 1:06:48.600 to his face and spoke to him about it. The 1:06:48.600 --> 1:06:51.200 first thing Wes should have done, I believe, in my opinion, 1:06:51.320 --> 1:06:53.479 is if you're going to veto a study, you put 1:06:53.640 --> 1:06:57.200 you couple that veto with a package full of equity 1:06:57.240 --> 1:07:01.120 proposals to move the state forward. That's whoever gave him 1:07:01.120 --> 1:07:03.880 advice to veto that because then he ended up doing 1:07:03.920 --> 1:07:07.000 something which I'm going to show the similarities between what 1:07:07.040 --> 1:07:13.320 West did and Governor Newsom did. Governor Newsom and West 1:07:13.400 --> 1:07:16.120 both tried to triangulate, which is something Bill Clinton made 1:07:16.160 --> 1:07:21.160 extremely popular. It's kind of going against your base, rising above, 1:07:22.240 --> 1:07:26.800 you know, having this belief that you're able to kind 1:07:26.800 --> 1:07:29.280 of rise above the fray on issues that are contentious 1:07:29.320 --> 1:07:31.760 such as this with some thought that is maybe beyond 1:07:31.800 --> 1:07:34.960 both Democrat and Republican thought processes. Right, It's like a 1:07:35.040 --> 1:07:38.680 triangulation strategy. And many times when that happens, four folk, 1:07:38.760 --> 1:07:41.640 brown folk, black folk are left behind. The second thing 1:07:41.640 --> 1:07:43.480 that Governor Newsom's having to deal with now is he's 1:07:43.480 --> 1:07:45.840 having to explain himself. And I think that Andrew can 1:07:45.880 --> 1:07:48.280 tell you the basic tenets of politics. If you're explaining, 1:07:48.320 --> 1:07:50.600 you're losing. So now he has to go out on 1:07:50.640 --> 1:07:52.880 the road and tell people why he did this, and 1:07:52.920 --> 1:07:54.880 tell me, you know, what have you done for this 1:07:55.000 --> 1:07:56.680 person or what have you done for that person. In 1:07:56.720 --> 1:07:59.000 Wes's case, when you talked to him about it, he said, 1:07:59.200 --> 1:08:00.840 let me tell you what we done for black people. 1:08:00.880 --> 1:08:03.080 And then he began to explain and have to rattle 1:08:03.080 --> 1:08:04.640 off and do all of those things. And if you're 1:08:04.680 --> 1:08:06.560 ever in a position where you have to do that, 1:08:07.040 --> 1:08:09.720 you're losing. I mean, there's a larger conversation about whether 1:08:09.800 --> 1:08:12.360 or not you will get reparations. I believe all four 1:08:12.400 --> 1:08:16.040 of us are four reparations of some shape form of fashion. 1:08:16.080 --> 1:08:18.240 The question is what do they look like? Right, and 1:08:18.280 --> 1:08:21.120 how do we get there? But I think Gavin Newsom 1:08:21.280 --> 1:08:25.479 just displayed to you that he is I mean, I 1:08:25.960 --> 1:08:28.840 don't think it's a knot, but he's very calculating. And 1:08:28.880 --> 1:08:32.200 in this calculation that he made the people that lose 1:08:32.280 --> 1:08:33.519 or people that look like us. 1:08:34.320 --> 1:08:36.800 Yeah, you know, I was just going to appreciate that 1:08:38.040 --> 1:08:41.800 helping us to recall triangulation. And it is a strategy 1:08:41.800 --> 1:08:44.120 that sits at the feet of the foot of Bill Clinton. 1:08:44.520 --> 1:08:47.639 He did it on welfare reform, where he made black 1:08:47.680 --> 1:08:53.120 women the ire of everybody's existence. It happened on Crime 1:08:53.160 --> 1:08:55.840 and Justice and the hiring of one hundred thousand new 1:08:55.920 --> 1:08:59.320 police officers to hit American streets, and we know what 1:08:59.400 --> 1:09:02.719 the foil of that was. And I think what's happening 1:09:02.760 --> 1:09:07.360 now is democrats, certain democrats are deciding that it is 1:09:07.400 --> 1:09:11.880 an imperative in the democratic presidential primary, meaning it is 1:09:11.920 --> 1:09:15.400 a must have in the primary to have a Democrat 1:09:15.680 --> 1:09:19.360 who is willing to strike hard against the Democratic base 1:09:19.720 --> 1:09:23.800 in some form or another in order to win this 1:09:24.000 --> 1:09:27.439 movable middle of the electorate out there who will be 1:09:27.920 --> 1:09:30.559 kinder to them, who may give them their votes if 1:09:30.600 --> 1:09:33.400 they can show that they have the courage to strike 1:09:33.439 --> 1:09:37.120 out against a part of its base, and similar as 1:09:37.160 --> 1:09:40.600 it was in the early nineteen nineties, ninety two and 1:09:40.720 --> 1:09:44.120 ninety four and ninety six, black people are going to 1:09:44.160 --> 1:09:49.000 be at the intersection of this striking out reparations is 1:09:49.040 --> 1:09:51.840 I think just one form that we're going to see 1:09:51.880 --> 1:09:54.920 this triangulation take place. I think it's going to happen 1:09:55.000 --> 1:09:57.240 quite frankly on a number of our issues. And what 1:09:57.280 --> 1:10:00.599 they're going to try to communicate to voters is that, yes, 1:10:00.680 --> 1:10:03.360 I believe in the Democratic Coalition, but I'm willing to 1:10:03.400 --> 1:10:06.439 tell them hard truths too. I'm willing to go and 1:10:06.479 --> 1:10:08.519 look them directly in the face and tell them what's 1:10:08.520 --> 1:10:10.960 good for them and what's not good for them, and 1:10:11.000 --> 1:10:14.639 what's bad for their people, and that I'm not always 1:10:14.680 --> 1:10:16.479 going to be on their side, but I want all 1:10:16.520 --> 1:10:19.040 their votes, and I think we have to be really 1:10:19.400 --> 1:10:22.479 suspicious of this tactic. I think we have to call 1:10:22.520 --> 1:10:24.599 the tactic out when we see it. I don't think 1:10:24.600 --> 1:10:26.559 it's worth waiting. I don't think we got to wait 1:10:26.600 --> 1:10:29.600 our way through the presidential primary process to know that 1:10:30.800 --> 1:10:33.080 this is a key part or some folks are making 1:10:33.120 --> 1:10:35.400 this a key part of their strategy for winning the 1:10:35.439 --> 1:10:40.360 Democratic nomination. Whether Gavin Newsom believes this thing or not 1:10:40.560 --> 1:10:44.680 is a little concern to me. Whether the governor of 1:10:44.680 --> 1:10:47.400 Maryland believed what he was specially at the time, is 1:10:47.400 --> 1:10:49.880 a little concern for me. I think the calculation has 1:10:49.920 --> 1:10:52.240 been made that you have to show that you're willing 1:10:52.280 --> 1:10:54.200 to on the Democratic side. By the way, I'm not 1:10:54.200 --> 1:10:56.040 even saying this is for the replicants, because I don't 1:10:56.040 --> 1:10:58.040 believe this is a strategy on their side, But on 1:10:58.080 --> 1:11:00.200 the Democratic side, you have to be willing to strike 1:11:00.240 --> 1:11:02.800 out against a key element of your base, I eat 1:11:02.880 --> 1:11:05.720 black people, in order to show that you have the 1:11:05.720 --> 1:11:09.160 bona feeds to compete and to win the presidency and 1:11:09.760 --> 1:11:13.760 the twenty twenty what is it twenty eight cycle? And 1:11:13.840 --> 1:11:16.760 I just think when we see this thing where its head, 1:11:17.000 --> 1:11:18.880 we have to call it for what it is. We 1:11:18.960 --> 1:11:21.280 have to make a demand and then see if they're 1:11:21.320 --> 1:11:25.080 willing to then recapitulate back to our demand. And so far, 1:11:25.320 --> 1:11:28.160 somebody has determined that it's a winning strategy to take 1:11:28.200 --> 1:11:31.639 on reparations and to sideline this issue for black folks 1:11:31.680 --> 1:11:33.640 and be willing to do it in our face. And 1:11:33.680 --> 1:11:35.360 we got to be watchful of it. 1:11:35.680 --> 1:11:37.840 You gotta one of the things in your litany of 1:11:37.840 --> 1:11:39.320 things about Bill Clinton that I thought you were going 1:11:39.360 --> 1:11:40.720 to go to that I want the view is to 1:11:40.760 --> 1:11:42.479 remember some of them old enough to remember if you 1:11:42.600 --> 1:11:44.840 not google it. Sis a Soldier was another moment that 1:11:44.920 --> 1:11:47.880 was quite similar to that She was a foil that litany. 1:11:48.200 --> 1:11:54.040 But also and also listen, I love Wes. I hope 1:11:54.080 --> 1:11:56.519 he runs for president of the United States. But if 1:11:56.560 --> 1:11:59.360 we cannot be critical of people who look like us 1:11:59.560 --> 1:12:03.160 doing the same thing, I can't hold Gavin Newsom accountable. 1:12:03.600 --> 1:12:06.599 I already have enough reasons to dislike Gavin Newsom because 1:12:06.600 --> 1:12:09.280 he is the most handsome person and the smartest person 1:12:09.320 --> 1:12:11.400 in the room. Always all you have to do is 1:12:11.479 --> 1:12:15.679 ask him, right. But I do think that that lack 1:12:15.720 --> 1:12:18.840 of self awareness shone through in the politics of the day. 1:12:19.200 --> 1:12:21.599 He employs the hug of black woman thing which I hate, 1:12:21.640 --> 1:12:23.679 which is like every time he goes to a place, 1:12:24.000 --> 1:12:26.000 he finds an old black woman and he hugs it 1:12:26.080 --> 1:12:28.360 for the camera, and that's like the front page of 1:12:28.360 --> 1:12:30.280 the Florence newspaper or whatever. So there are a lot 1:12:30.320 --> 1:12:34.120 of nuances I dislike, but the triangulation that we're seeing 1:12:34.680 --> 1:12:36.960 and it just it put me in that mind frame. 1:12:37.000 --> 1:12:39.440 It's like whenever you go through a period of triangulation 1:12:39.520 --> 1:12:42.840 with your elected officials. I mean, Barack Obama did some 1:12:42.880 --> 1:12:45.200 of it. We'ress for office. It wasn't to that ext 1:12:46.200 --> 1:12:48.960 Black folk, black folk, poor people are in a cross 1:12:49.000 --> 1:12:49.760 hairs in that. 1:12:49.840 --> 1:12:54.480 Order, one and the same in many instances. 1:12:56.439 --> 1:13:00.040 Okay, well all right, if you feel complete, oh car. 1:13:01.120 --> 1:13:03.960 Because I'm excited to get to calls to action because 1:13:04.000 --> 1:13:06.680 I have a good call to action right on the 1:13:06.720 --> 1:13:08.920 other side of this break, we'll get into calls to action. 1:13:09.040 --> 1:13:11.720 There is no Native lamppod show without. 1:13:18.240 --> 1:13:19.360 Who cares about truth? 1:13:19.360 --> 1:13:22.160 When the last morning seen it? 1:13:23.120 --> 1:13:23.439 Okay. 1:13:23.520 --> 1:13:25.880 My call to action this week, I'm thrilled is for 1:13:26.040 --> 1:13:27.680 a friend and someone I really look up to, and 1:13:27.720 --> 1:13:32.760 that's doctor Sharon Malone. She is a doctor gynecologist and 1:13:32.800 --> 1:13:35.439 she just launches the podcast as we called the Second Opinion. 1:13:36.439 --> 1:13:38.720 She is a part of the Michelle Obama crew. She's 1:13:38.720 --> 1:13:40.439 one of Michelle Obama's best friends. And you may have 1:13:40.479 --> 1:13:42.920 seen her on Missus Obama's podcast, or you may have 1:13:42.960 --> 1:13:47.320 seen her on Oprah. But I'm thrilled because I had 1:13:47.320 --> 1:13:49.240 her on my show when I had the show at MSNBC, 1:13:49.400 --> 1:13:53.200 and how that happened. I was literally walking in city Center. 1:13:53.720 --> 1:13:56.160 You guys are familiar with city Center, and she came 1:13:56.240 --> 1:13:57.439 up to me and she was like, you know, you're 1:13:57.439 --> 1:13:58.320 in perimenopause. 1:13:58.360 --> 1:13:59.920 And I'm like, oh, hello, doctor Sharon L. 1:14:00.200 --> 1:14:00.600 Now are you? 1:14:01.360 --> 1:14:03.400 And I've been thrilled to be able to text her 1:14:03.479 --> 1:14:07.080 all of my questions, and for women on our audience, 1:14:07.120 --> 1:14:10.400 if you're in your thirties and up, you know each decade, 1:14:10.479 --> 1:14:13.320 our body goes through changes as we age, and so 1:14:13.479 --> 1:14:15.960 I've been able to text her all of my questions 1:14:16.080 --> 1:14:19.599 everything I'm going through. Angela and I go to Ken 1:14:19.640 --> 1:14:22.599 Blackwell's conference and she always hosts a session there where 1:14:22.640 --> 1:14:25.640 it's literally just grown women Speak, which is what her 1:14:25.640 --> 1:14:28.120 book is called. And so I'm thrilled that she's launching 1:14:28.120 --> 1:14:30.640 this podcast, so now all of you can listen to 1:14:30.680 --> 1:14:33.280 her and hopefully. I don't know what the profile will be, 1:14:33.280 --> 1:14:35.960 but she'll take a fewer questions, I hope, but I've 1:14:35.960 --> 1:14:39.800 asked her more than one personal question. So please check 1:14:39.800 --> 1:14:42.400 out the Second Opinion podcast. I think it will be 1:14:43.120 --> 1:14:47.120 just on YouTube, and I know I plan on being 1:14:47.160 --> 1:14:49.120 a guest on there, and I don't know if you 1:14:49.240 --> 1:14:51.840 boys will, but maybe Angela or somebody. It'll probably mostly 1:14:51.840 --> 1:14:54.400 be women, I imagine guests on the show. So that's 1:14:54.400 --> 1:14:56.200 my call to action. Check out doctor Malone. 1:14:56.240 --> 1:14:56.360 Oh. 1:14:56.400 --> 1:14:59.639 She's also the wife of a former Attorney General, Air Colder, 1:15:00.040 --> 1:15:01.160 speaking of voting rights. 1:15:01.880 --> 1:15:04.760 Amazing, Yes, amazing, Andrew. 1:15:04.720 --> 1:15:06.720 Yeah, I'm going to take this listener question as part 1:15:06.760 --> 1:15:11.519 of my day. Can we get to question native Land? 1:15:12.080 --> 1:15:15.719 So grateful for y'all, especially happy to see Tiffany cross 1:15:15.800 --> 1:15:18.400 Land in a good place. They used to follow her 1:15:18.560 --> 1:15:22.759 on MSNBC, as well as Joy Reid. I no longer 1:15:22.840 --> 1:15:26.599 watch MSNBC since they ditched so many journalists of color 1:15:27.080 --> 1:15:31.960 Katie Fang, Mediissan. But that's not my question. My question 1:15:32.160 --> 1:15:37.720 concerns the no Kings protests past and present. I am 1:15:38.040 --> 1:15:43.000 part of the ninety two percent. My mother was an 1:15:43.080 --> 1:15:47.720 activist in this civil rights era, so resistance is in 1:15:47.760 --> 1:15:52.439 my DNA, and I wonder as far as the no 1:15:52.600 --> 1:15:57.400 Kings protests, should we be involved, should we be doing 1:15:57.439 --> 1:16:02.240 more as a community, should we be doing more, and 1:16:02.280 --> 1:16:05.040 what that more might look like. And I'm wondering what 1:16:05.080 --> 1:16:06.200 your thoughts are on this. 1:16:06.880 --> 1:16:07.480 Thanks. 1:16:08.479 --> 1:16:10.639 I'll welcome quick feedback from each of you, but I'll 1:16:10.680 --> 1:16:12.720 just say from my two cents, we don't have to 1:16:12.720 --> 1:16:16.840 make it too terribly complicated. The the the enemy has 1:16:16.840 --> 1:16:19.200 made him so very very clear on the other side here, 1:16:19.200 --> 1:16:22.120 and I just think we have to be whatever your 1:16:22.200 --> 1:16:27.120 mental personal health capacity can bear, can stand. 1:16:27.800 --> 1:16:29.799 We have to cover the zone. 1:16:29.840 --> 1:16:34.880 We have to be everywhere, anywhere, all the time when possible, 1:16:35.080 --> 1:16:38.439 to push back and defend for ourselves. They've they've thrown 1:16:38.960 --> 1:16:41.439 the road map out. They they are flooding the zone, 1:16:41.479 --> 1:16:44.120 and they want to keep us dizzy, so dizzy that 1:16:44.160 --> 1:16:46.760 we stay unengaged and uninvolved. And I just think if 1:16:46.760 --> 1:16:49.800 you find something that speaks to you and that your heart, 1:16:49.880 --> 1:16:53.479 mind and spirit is okay to give that you give 1:16:53.560 --> 1:16:56.080 of your time, your energy or effort to fight back 1:16:56.120 --> 1:17:00.760 against against this current formation of the enemy. I don't 1:17:00.800 --> 1:17:02.599 know if you all have deep thoughts on. 1:17:05.680 --> 1:17:07.439 Keep going to love. That's all I want to say. 1:17:07.560 --> 1:17:09.920 Yes, we're going to keep going with calls to action. 1:17:10.000 --> 1:17:14.600 Bakari, Yeah, I mean my call action is around de'angelo 1:17:15.800 --> 1:17:18.760 and the black men in particular who listen to the show. 1:17:18.760 --> 1:17:20.320 There a lot of us. Make sure you're getting your 1:17:20.360 --> 1:17:22.639 check ups, go to the doctor, listen to your body, 1:17:22.680 --> 1:17:25.240 Listen to your wife, your girlfriend. They're with you every day. 1:17:26.560 --> 1:17:29.160 You know, they know when things aren't going right. You know, 1:17:29.479 --> 1:17:31.759 if you if you still ain't getting your morning wood 1:17:31.760 --> 1:17:33.920 in the morning or something like that. Make sure that 1:17:33.960 --> 1:17:36.680 your your heart is pumping the way it should, and 1:17:36.720 --> 1:17:38.920 make sure your blood is flowing the way it should, 1:17:38.960 --> 1:17:43.600 and go see the doctor. Don't wait until your emergency room. 1:17:44.320 --> 1:17:48.240 And I tried to go and get my and do 1:17:48.560 --> 1:17:51.040 a colonoscopy and all those other things, and they told 1:17:51.040 --> 1:17:52.559 me I was too young, and so I was like, 1:17:52.600 --> 1:17:55.080 I'll pay out of pocket, you know, let me just 1:17:55.280 --> 1:17:57.920 let me just get I want the whole work up, 1:17:58.080 --> 1:18:00.280 head from the root to the tutor, as we say 1:18:00.280 --> 1:18:03.240 in South Carolina. But I encourage everybody to go out 1:18:03.280 --> 1:18:05.559 there and listen to your body, get checked up. To 1:18:06.840 --> 1:18:09.400 black men, all of us for that matter, know somebody 1:18:09.520 --> 1:18:12.960 know another young black man who died too early. DiAngelo 1:18:13.040 --> 1:18:16.000 is another example of that. Again, rest in peace, condolences 1:18:16.080 --> 1:18:16.679 to his family. 1:18:18.320 --> 1:18:21.439 Thank you so much, Bakari. Mine is simple. 1:18:21.840 --> 1:18:23.960 I want you all to pay attention to what's happening 1:18:24.040 --> 1:18:27.680 this sixtieth anniversary of the Voting Rights Act. We are 1:18:27.720 --> 1:18:30.920 hanging on by a thread. Andrew and I interviewed with 1:18:31.040 --> 1:18:33.400 Janay Nelson right on the other side of her oral 1:18:33.479 --> 1:18:36.680 arguments at the Supreme Court, and I also want you 1:18:36.720 --> 1:18:39.600 all to really go back and listen to those oral arguments. 1:18:40.479 --> 1:18:44.760 Clarence Thomas basically indicates that he desires for Section two 1:18:44.800 --> 1:18:46.639 to also be gutted out of the Voting Rights Act. 1:18:46.680 --> 1:18:48.760 So please go back and listen to what Clarence is 1:18:49.160 --> 1:18:51.599 versus Katanji because there is a difference. And on that 1:18:51.920 --> 1:18:54.439 helpful note, I would to encourage you all to remember 1:18:54.800 --> 1:18:58.000 that all skin folk ain't kim folk. 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