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Speaker 1: Native LAMPID is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with

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Speaker 1: Resent Choice Media. Welcome home, y'all, This is episode one

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Speaker 1: hundred and one of Native LAMPI, where we give you

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Speaker 1: our breakdown of all things politics and culture.

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Speaker 2: We are your hosts. Tiffany Cross is right over here.

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Speaker 1: I just pulled to Andrew Angela Rai, Andrew Gillim And

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Speaker 1: speaking of Andrew, we have Andrew Jr. Who's joined us.

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Speaker 1: His name is Bacari Sellars. What's going on, y'all?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing.

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Speaker 3: Welcome Home, Welcome Home?

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Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, Well we have a pack show. I would

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Speaker 1: love to know what we're getting into. But before we

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Speaker 1: do that, I just want to tell y'all. I know

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Speaker 1: some of you all have been waiting for the Culture

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Speaker 1: Con episode. We haven't forgot. We just tighten it up,

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Speaker 1: making sure it's perfect. It's gonna be a little bit longer,

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Speaker 1: but it is coming very very soon, So please keep

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Speaker 1: an eye out for the Culture Con live show. It

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Speaker 1: is our last hurrah without Bacari. So it's a very

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Speaker 1: very good show. So now that we got cocky Charles

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Speaker 1: with us, you know, it's a little tough every now

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Speaker 1: and then, but we're all good. I also want to

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Speaker 1: let you all know, if you didn't catch it, we

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Speaker 1: have an episode with Jennae Nelson, who is tremendous lawyer,

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Speaker 1: the president of the NAACP Legal Defense Fund, who also

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Speaker 1: argued the oral arguments at the Supreme Court of the

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Speaker 1: United States on the Kyli case in Louisiana. So she

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Speaker 1: joins us live on an episode that's already been shot,

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Speaker 1: and we hope that you'll check that out as well. So, anyway, y'all,

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Speaker 1: what are we getting into today?

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Speaker 2: Everybody at once.

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Speaker 4: You know, we've been able to caution you so many

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Speaker 4: times about cross talk. I'm like, I ain't that, I

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Speaker 4: ain't doing it. It was hers if I could just

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Speaker 4: give a disclaimer and I apologize to our viewers for

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Speaker 4: my congestion and whatnot. But in feeling a bit under

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Speaker 4: the weather, I know, Angela, you've probably passed it off

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Speaker 4: to me. But there's still active. There's there's a lot,

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Speaker 4: there's a lot going on. I think one of the things,

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Speaker 4: you know, we owe it to our listening fan to

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Speaker 4: tune in on, is this what's happening with Letitia James

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Speaker 4: at the attorney in New York. But also how this

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Speaker 4: is sending signals, I think across the country to either break,

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Speaker 4: bend or bow or resist this administration. Powerful statements that

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Speaker 4: she made here.

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Speaker 1: At the top of the show absolutely tip you know,

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Speaker 1: oh it sounds like okay, other Tiffany, Hey, Bacar, go ahead.

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Speaker 3: I'm god I am over here treading on this then

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Speaker 3: ice because Angela gave me my daily dose of humbling

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Speaker 3: as we go.

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Speaker 4: Through this, and uh, is there only one thank you?

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Speaker 5: Is that?

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Speaker 3: The yeah point point five emails? If we're being specific,

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Speaker 3: not not too much. I do want to I know

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Speaker 3: I'll probably get to this in my call to action,

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Speaker 3: So I'm jumping the hoop a little bit. But I

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Speaker 3: would be remiss if I didn't give a special shout

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Speaker 3: out to DiAngelo and his family. Our condolences go out

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Speaker 3: in particularly because there's a young man who lost his

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Speaker 3: mother and father in the span of a year. Angie Stone,

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Speaker 3: as we know, passed away earlier this year after a

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Speaker 3: horrific car crash, and DiAngelo was just, you know, part

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Speaker 3: of our culture and innate part of our culture growing up.

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Speaker 3: But one of the things I did want to highlight

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Speaker 3: is I was going through it and earlier this year

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Speaker 3: we lost Heer Gotti from fifty four from diabetes. We

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Speaker 3: his life. As we go through this, we realize that

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Speaker 3: we've had many people from Magoo at age fifty, DMX

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Speaker 3: that's a mini pot or something else that me and

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Speaker 3: Andrew talk about on the side. But all love goes

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Speaker 3: out to Angie Stone, uh DiAngelo endonnesses and particularly to

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Speaker 3: their son. They leave here without a mother and a father.

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Speaker 1: Thank you Bacari for that you are he still knew,

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Speaker 1: so he has no idea. This part is rapid, but

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Speaker 1: just know it was because he was trying to be empathetic.

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Speaker 1: Uh Tip, I want to come to you for your

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll be brief.

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Speaker 7: I'm going to get into I feel like there's an

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Speaker 7: anti intellectual.

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Speaker 6: This Hayes and.

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Speaker 4: McCary welcome, brother, welcome.

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Speaker 7: But what I want to get into is this anti

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Speaker 7: I think this week a lot of us saw the

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Speaker 7: clip of Mark Lamont Hill I'm on the Joe Budden Podcast,

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Speaker 7: and if you didn't, we'll certainly be playing it here.

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Speaker 7: But beyond just this viral moment, I want us to

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Speaker 7: get into the dying and the death of black intellectualism

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Speaker 7: right now.

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Speaker 6: So looking forward to get into that.

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Speaker 2: My co host, well, thank you, Tip.

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Speaker 1: I just want to throw in to the what's clearly

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Speaker 2: Are you dumb?

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Speaker 1: Because we're gonna get into those text messages from those

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Speaker 1: young Republicans And also, are you dumb? Gavin Newsom? What's

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Speaker 1: up with this reparations bill?

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Speaker 4: Homie?

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Speaker 2: What you got against us?

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna talk about why he thinks proposition two

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Speaker 1: nine still expands into everything black, and uh, maybe he

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Speaker 1: thinks it's a pathway to the White House. We'll make

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Speaker 1: sure it's not. So anyway, welcome home, y'all. Were gonna

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Speaker 1: jump into this show. Okay, So, but car you dropped

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Speaker 1: this topic in our chat. So do you want to

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Speaker 1: take us into what these silly Republicans we're talking about

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Speaker 1: on this chat?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean I think that we in this country

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Speaker 3: have never really dealt with the issue of race. And

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Speaker 3: I think what you're seeing in these leaked chats from

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Speaker 3: I think that the racism that is the underbelly of

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Speaker 3: the Republican Party shown through in those chats. But the

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Speaker 3: misogyny s took out, the anti semitism. It was very poignant.

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Speaker 3: I mean, so there was nothing attractive about them, and

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Speaker 3: I'm not telling Jay Jones to get out of the race,

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Speaker 3: but I'm like Jay Jones, like, what were you thinking

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Speaker 3: in those text messages? You cannot espouse those things, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. But Jay, you got

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Speaker 1: And me, let me just I was gonna be yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was going to back us into what happened, you know,

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Speaker 1: y'all understand what happened. So as young Republican leaders from

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Speaker 1: but they had a chat thread on Telegram and all

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Speaker 1: all of their business was telegrammed for the world to see.

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Speaker 1: In a political article that dropped yesterday, I just want

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry night yesterday.

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Speaker 1: This week tif okay, when we recorded yesterday, so we

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Speaker 1: is important. Since then, there's been an update in y'all's

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Speaker 1: Vice president jd Vance said since Bacari brought it up,

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Speaker 1: that Jay Jones texts were far worse than these Republican texts.

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Speaker 1: These young Republicans are calling saying that I love Hitler,

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Speaker 1: Vance has said that the Young Republicans chat pales in

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Speaker 6: Can I just want to jump in? So yes, Angela.

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Speaker 7: You referenced that this was a story broken by reporting

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Speaker 7: from Politico off their telegram chats. Just so folks know,

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Speaker 7: the text messages were spanning more than seven months of correspondence,

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Speaker 7: and among the people in the chat were young Republican

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Speaker 7: the texts they referred to black people as monkeys, the

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Speaker 7: watermelon people. They mused about their political putting, their political

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Speaker 7: There were twenty nine hundred pages of the chats and

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Speaker 7: they were shared among millennial and gen Z repeaters Republicans

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Speaker 7: forgive me. And this was between January and August, and

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Speaker 7: it chronicles a campaign to seize control of the Republican

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Speaker 6: So when you think about what that means.

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Speaker 7: Roger Stone made a comment about one of the people's

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Speaker 7: Peter Gunta I think is his name, and he was saying, well,

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Speaker 7: find it so incredibly arrogant when people say that about things,

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Speaker 7: I would just further say that anyone who is surprised

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Speaker 7: has happened in the Republican Party. You guys have been

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Speaker 7: referencing Jay Jones. If you can just share with our

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Speaker 1: Yes, he's running for attorney general in Virginia. I think

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Speaker 1: we got a delay with Bakari. Sorry, b I think

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Speaker 3: No, I don't know if I have a delay or not.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry. I'm just bringing all types of hiccups to

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Speaker 3: the show. But they'll smooth out. And that's why I'm platinum.

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Speaker 3: That's why they called me platinum ratings. Shit just work out.

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Speaker 3: That's what happens when you blessed. It just work out.

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Speaker 2: But I know you better speed up your WiFi.

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Speaker 3: J Jones is running for Attorney General of the Great

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Speaker 3: State Commonwealth of Virginia. J Jones he had some comments,

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Speaker 3: sharing some comments with a Republican colleague of his who

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Speaker 3: his peers and colleagues. He was then told to stop,

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Speaker 3: And it is now it's caught fire. Stephen Miller talks

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Speaker 6: No, no, let's know that that's on the sea loot.

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Speaker 7: I think you're right, hundred percent right, Angela. And you know,

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Speaker 7: I don't have advice for people, but it is increasingly

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Speaker 3: And my question is just it centers around helping me

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Speaker 3: For the compliment. But how do we connect? Because people

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Speaker 4: Well, I don't know that you have to do a

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Speaker 6: When you're not intellectual.

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Speaker 7: field and saying, watch me hurdle all of this that

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Speaker 7: you put at me and still be successful. And sometimes

436
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Speaker 7: we can adopt the oppressor's behavior. Which brings me to

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Speaker 7: a clip that went viral this week, and that is

438
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Speaker 7: of course, of our friend and brother, Mark Lamont Hill.

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Speaker 7: This happened on the Joe Budden broadcast this week. Take

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Speaker 7: a list and then we'll discuss on the other side.

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Speaker 8: So if you allown to it because you said a

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Speaker 8: lot of tricky words.

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Speaker 9: No, I don't say regular boys tricky to you.

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Speaker 10: Even if you do win famous you try to point

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Speaker 10: out everything.

446
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Speaker 8: Else that nobody do.

447
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Speaker 9: That's sucking ship to me to take that.

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Speaker 7: Okay, I know that was difficult to watch. I wanted

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Speaker 7: to play it for that clip specifically because, first of all,

450
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Speaker 7: I thought Mark Lamont Hill handled himself so incredibly well,

451
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Speaker 7: standing across from a full blown temper tantrum from a

452
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Speaker 7: grown man, and I think it's important for our viewers.

453
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Speaker 7: If you don't know abart about Mark Lamant Hill, he

454
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Speaker 7: is a luminary. He is an incredible intellectual who hosts

455
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Speaker 7: an amazing show on Al Jazeera I'm called up Front,

456
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,640
Speaker 7: he hosted on Al Jazeera English. One of his interviews

457
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Speaker 7: went viral during a post October seventh where he got

458
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Speaker 7: the former Israeli Deputy Minister uh Danny Aylin to admit

459
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Speaker 7: to concede that the response to Palestinians and Gaza was

460
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Speaker 7: in fact collective punishment. He owns a bookstore. He's an

461
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Speaker 7: amazing writer, He's a professor. He was unfortunately dismissed from

462
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Speaker 7: CNN because he said from the river to the sea

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Speaker 7: while speaking at the u N. If you're like me,

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Speaker 7: you might genuinely wonder why is that considered anti Semitic.

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Speaker 7: Some people of the community consider it so because Hamas

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Speaker 7: used this phrase in twenty seventeen. Uh and some members

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Speaker 7: of the Jewish Committee community thinks the phrase suggests that

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Speaker 7: as a Palestinian h millik group, militant group and only

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Speaker 7: used in that perspective that suggests that Israel does not

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Speaker 7: have the right to exist. Mark mont Hill has been

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Speaker 7: incredibly clear that he does not believe that it was

472
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Speaker 7: a call for justice, and he made the reference when

473
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Speaker 7: he was addressing the u N and he was just

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Speaker 7: supporting Palestinian freedom which of course I certainly do as well.

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Speaker 7: But this is why I thought I wanted to get

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Speaker 7: my co host perspectives on this. There seems to be

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Speaker 7: the death of black intellectualism, particularly when it comes to

478
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Speaker 7: who has a microphone and viral clips like this take

479
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Speaker 7: up so much space. To me, it was clear that

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Speaker 7: his co host felt small, and you know, even him

481
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Speaker 7: saying you use tricky words and Mark responding with I

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Speaker 7: use words that are tricky to you. And anytime somebody

483
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Speaker 7: I think cannot take to be questioned or responds with

484
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Speaker 7: a full temper tantrum, it is always about that other person,

485
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Speaker 7: not about like it wasn't Mark. He didn't do anything.

486
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Speaker 7: And if someone is so small that you can't articulate

487
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Speaker 7: your point without throwing a temper tantrum or insulting another person.

488
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Speaker 7: I'm happy that Mark showed both tides that yes, I'm

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Speaker 7: an intellectual, but don't give up in this studio, you know,

490
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Speaker 7: And I think it's import and for people to see

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Speaker 7: that yes you can still be an intellectual and demand

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Speaker 7: your respect. That doesn't make you soft. I'm concerned though,

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Speaker 7: in our community because when you look at the just

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Speaker 7: the plain data, you can take my perspectives out of it.

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Speaker 7: There seems to be an erosion. I don't consider myself

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Speaker 7: a member of the black intellectual class, but I do

497
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Speaker 7: thrive in that space. I love to be around sometimes Andrew,

498
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 7: when you're talking, I forget I'm a host on the podcast,

499
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Speaker 7: Like I'm just listening to you because you're saying something

500
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 7: so brilliant to me, or something that I didn't know.

501
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 7: I had no perspective, and I enjoy hearing that I

502
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Speaker 7: have curiosity.

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Speaker 6: I don't.

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Speaker 7: I'm not trying to be fake humble, like I don't

505
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Speaker 7: consider myself an intellectual. I consider myself intellectually curious. I

506
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 7: have questions. I see that getting dulled across peers and

507
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 7: across the community. Social media, I think, is a big

508
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Speaker 7: part of that. A study out of UC San Diego

509
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Speaker 7: found that even low levels of social media use are

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Speaker 7: associated with poor cognitive out comes, particularly among children AI.

511
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Speaker 7: People keep promoting AI like oh, look at this fancy

512
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 7: new toy and not immediately countering it with the dangers

513
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Speaker 7: of our community. The level of cognitive impairment of even

514
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Speaker 7: just moderate use of AI like chat GPT is comparable

515
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Speaker 7: to being concussed. Our literacy rates across black children. I'm

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00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 7: only seventeen percent of black fourth graders scored at or

517
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Speaker 7: above proficiency. Eighth graders could not a significant percentage of

518
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Speaker 7: eighth graders could not read a paragraph and summarize it

519
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 7: and say what it is. We're in a space we're

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00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 7: telling people it's a time for reading books is considered

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Speaker 7: the leitist and it's just frustrating to me. And I

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Speaker 7: have to say, I'm sure we'll disagree here, or maybe

523
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 7: we won't disagree, but I hope there are different perspectives

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Speaker 7: than mine, because I have to say I am one

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Speaker 7: of those people. I do not respect everybody's opinion the

526
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Speaker 7: more like just because you have a microphone, I don't

527
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Speaker 7: always respect your opinion. This guy who's talking, I don't

528
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 7: respect his opinion. I Andrew, we talked. I'm not Mary,

529
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Speaker 7: I don't have children. If I'm giving you advice on either,

530
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 7: it's totally fine for you to say, what are you

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Speaker 7: basing this on? Where did you get that information from?

532
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Speaker 7: And I'm not going to be offended by you asking

533
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Speaker 7: me that, because even if I might be right, you

534
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 7: don't have to respect my opinion. I don't respect everybody's

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00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 7: opinion on politics. You might be right on occasion. I

536
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 7: don't respect your opinion, So I just think in this

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Speaker 7: environment of these viral clips, I'm curious y'all take on

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00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 7: all of this because I don't want to make it

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00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 7: just about Mark. But Mark is there because people turn

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Speaker 7: their back on him. Mark should not be on this podcast.

541
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Speaker 7: He gets the opportunity to talk to people. But Mark

542
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Speaker 7: should still be at CNN, if you ask my opinion,

543
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 7: Mark should have had a contract soon as seeing this

544
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Speaker 7: every let you go, somebody should have snatched Mark up

545
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Speaker 7: and said that. And I just think they put dumb

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Speaker 7: people on TV sometimes just because you have more likes

547
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 7: than followers, and they don't celebrate our intellectualism. So I

548
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 7: leave it there.

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Speaker 6: Love to hear y'all thoughts.

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Speaker 4: That's right, well one, I hope we hope we never

551
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Speaker 4: get to a place of self censoring. I think it's

552
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Speaker 4: important for us to bring our full belief cell full

553
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Speaker 4: sales to this podcast because that's what our listeners, the

554
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 4: people who ride with us expect, is that will be

555
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Speaker 4: as directed through the cannon. I will be very honest.

556
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Speaker 4: I've never listened to the Button by the Joe Budden

557
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 4: podcast before. This was the first clip I've ever seen

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Speaker 4: of it is with is with Mark on it, and

559
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Speaker 4: that probably distances me even greater from a lot of

560
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Speaker 4: folks out there who probably you know, it's the number

561
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Speaker 4: five or top five or top ten for a reason

562
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Speaker 4: that means people are going there to subscribe. The reason

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Speaker 4: why I think I value a voice like Marx being

564
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Speaker 4: able to cut through in a top ten, top five

565
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Speaker 4: audience is that at least somebody gets an exposure to

566
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Speaker 4: his perspective that may not have otherwise had it. But

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Speaker 4: exactly what they're getting exposed to also matters. I don't

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Speaker 4: know if that's the rhythm of it from day to

569
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Speaker 4: day or whatever's broadcast week to week whenever it shows,

570
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Speaker 4: but I've got to believe that knowing Mark well enough

571
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Speaker 4: that on a regular basis, he's probably being able to

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Speaker 4: enter into that conversation, that discussion a higher level of

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Speaker 4: discourse than what we saw exhibited there. Maybe he's entering

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Speaker 4: into entering into that conversation some terms, some theory of changes,

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Speaker 4: some beliefs that then people go and google afterwards they

576
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Speaker 4: didn't know before, and now the curiosity has been piqued

577
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Speaker 4: and they're going to check it out and to that extent,

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Speaker 4: I think that is a good thing. I think it

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Speaker 4: is probably not a good thing in society when sort

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Speaker 4: of our thoughtful folks are only talking to other thoughtful folks.

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Speaker 4: I think that's probably not the setup that we want. However,

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Speaker 4: I know for sure I don't want to watch that

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Speaker 4: fight every day. I don't want to watch that kind

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Speaker 4: of discourse every day. I don't know that I want

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Speaker 4: to see it any day. To be frank frank with you, Tiffany,

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Speaker 4: what you brought up around some of the literacy rates.

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Speaker 4: What the damage that AI is doing to quote unquote

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Speaker 4: simplify somebody's life. But what is it dus life? Is

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Speaker 4: it dumbing down in the process? That bothers me to

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Speaker 4: a great extent. My kids know when they walk in

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Speaker 4: the door after they get they snacked, the first thing

592
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Speaker 4: they doing for the first thirty minutes at home is

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Speaker 4: reading a book. The books are I shouldn't hear your voice.

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Speaker 4: The book isn't talking out loud whatever, you know, And

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Speaker 4: we're conscious about that, we were conscious. My kids hate it.

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Speaker 4: But when they do birthday cards, they write the birthday

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Speaker 4: card one, I'm sick of paying three dollars, four dollars,

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Speaker 4: five dollars for kids' birthday card. That's crazy to me.

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Speaker 4: But but but more importantly, the art of writing, of

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Speaker 4: just articulating a sentiment. When my son Jackson wrote his

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Speaker 4: first birthday card and it ended up being a paragraph long,

602
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Speaker 4: I was over the moon because I was impressed by

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Speaker 4: the by the sentiment he was expressing. I don't want

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Speaker 4: our kids to lose that, and I think it's really

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Speaker 4: incoming upon the parents to weigh down on them to

606
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Speaker 4: make sure that we're curating some of that experience for them.

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Speaker 4: I know these sound like two separate kinds of kinds

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Speaker 4: of conversations, but it really isn't. Because if you teach

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Speaker 4: your child to come to expect a certain thing to

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Speaker 4: exchange at a certain level of discourse, then that's what

611
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Speaker 4: they're going to do. But if you put no expectation

612
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Speaker 4: out there and the world starts to shape that for them,

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Speaker 4: then that's some of what I think you get.

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Speaker 1: I heard Tiff at the outset say that she thought

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Speaker 1: that Mark handled himself well in the exchange, and I

616
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Speaker 1: can't tell you all how much I cringe looking at

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Speaker 1: that exchange. I have been in conversation, in relationship with

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Speaker 1: people that take you completely off of your square and

619
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Speaker 1: who you are, who you have evolved out of. And

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Speaker 1: I think for me, what's frustrating, and this is something

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Speaker 1: that I would tell our friend as well, is I

622
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Speaker 1: never want anybody to take take any of us off

623
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Speaker 1: of our square, but particularly not him. He just has

624
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Speaker 1: so much to the world now, to so much to

625
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Speaker 1: add to the world.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 1: I'll say the first to call myself sophistic ratchet all

628
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Speaker 1: day long, All day long, I believe in you know,

629
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Speaker 1: both sides, like you might, depending on the mood, you

630
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Speaker 1: might if if I'm feeling froggy, I might leap. But

631
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Speaker 1: what I don't like is I know firsthand that the

632
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Speaker 1: founder of Uncle Bobby's that's striving to ensure that black

633
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Speaker 1: folks can read in a neighborhood that he loves and Philly,

634
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Speaker 1: the same person that's creating black jobs and providing opportunity

635
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: for our folks, doesn't want to show up that way

636
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Speaker 1: for himself, for his family, first kids, for anybody. And

637
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Speaker 1: so what I really want to ask us to consider

638
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Speaker 1: is how do we resolve conflict when things are heated

639
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 1: without name calling, without attacking someone's intellect or lack thereof.

640
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,760
Speaker 1: I think that we can lovingly challenge people to rise

641
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 1: up without calling them them or anti intellectual.

642
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 2: Sure, it's that is where we are.

643
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Speaker 1: But is there another way to call people in I

644
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 1: don't think that Mark should be left holding the bag

645
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 1: in this exchange. I take great issue with that podcast

646
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 1: and it's treatment of Mark. And I was wondering when

647
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Speaker 1: when he was gonna when he was gonna snap. You know,

648
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Speaker 1: there's another clip that I don't know if you all saw, uh,

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Speaker 1: where Mark announces very vulnerably that he's lost almost all

650
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Speaker 1: of his colleagues that were reporting in Gaza, and by lost,

651
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Speaker 1: I mean they are killed. They were they they died

652
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Speaker 1: in their reporting.

653
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Speaker 11: And then around the world we're seeing violence everywhere, including

654
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Speaker 11: guys that where I were for Al Jazeera and my colleagues.

655
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Speaker 11: Every colleague I having guys has been murdered. Every single

656
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 11: colleague I have in guys that has been murdered. So

657
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Speaker 11: we got a lot of work to do, a lot

658
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 11: of stuff to.

659
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Speaker 3: Pay attention to.

660
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Speaker 10: All Right, young thug, Uh, every time you do that?

661
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 10: He doing so fast? Yeah, he doing it again? By

662
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 10: you don't never support him when you start talking that ship.

663
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 8: He has my full support.

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Speaker 12: But I also know that once he says something like

665
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Speaker 12: that or we discussed something like that, then we're just like, Okay,

666
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 12: what's the fucking pivot?

667
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:33,800
Speaker 2: What's the pivot?

668
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 12: After we talk about every journalist in on the Gadza

669
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Speaker 12: strip being murdered, Like, what's the pivot?

670
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Speaker 10: So Young Thugs appeared on Little Babies Project, quite the project, and.

671
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 2: He's sharing vulnerably he's lost all his people and Joe,

672
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 2: Butten's transition not this other guy. I don't know the

673
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 2: everybody's name, but not this other guy, Joe Buden's transition

674
00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 2: is like and Young Thug like just no mintion of

675
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 2: like are you okay?

676
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: How do you feel? Who was lost this week? How

677
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,399
Speaker 1: did they die? Just like nothing? So two tips point

678
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: around curiosity. If you can't find curiosity, find sympathy. If

679
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: you can't find sympathy, find empathy. If you can't find empathy,

680
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: find compassion because if you don't, the person who is

681
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: in a constant state of grief, at some point that

682
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: grief turns to rage because there's not a safe.

683
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 2: Container for it.

684
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: So we say on this show, welcome home, and we

685
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 1: mean that, of course Mark is welcome anytime. I don't

686
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: know about the rest of them. But I will just say,

687
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think that that means that we

688
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: should be foreclosed to having discussions that are tough, or

689
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: where we don't think people are our peers or.

690
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 2: We're on the same level. I'm not into that.

691
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: But where I see folks who are constantly unwilling to

692
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 1: have conversations that stretch, or to have conversations where they

693
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: at least can appreciate a different perspective, I don't know

694
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: that I'm into that, So I just I I just

695
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 1: want marching on. I'm praying for you, brother, you know that,

696
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: And I just I want better for him. I think

697
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: that he deserves to hold space with people who are

698
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: at least more compassionate and more eager to learn from

699
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: his perspective. And clearly, you could take a negro out

700
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: the hood, but you can't take the hood out the negro.

701
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: So you might not want to keep leaping at Mark.

702
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: He might just snap and bust your ass next time.

703
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Speaker 2: I don't know.

704
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 1: I don't want him to do that. But I mean

705
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: it was getting Real Housewives to me. Okay, well, we

706
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 1: have more on Marca mont Hill and what happened on

707
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: the Joe Butden podcast, right, on the other side.

708
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:34,240
Speaker 2: Of his break.

709
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Speaker 3: So I think this is a multifaceted discussion that I'm

710
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,439
Speaker 3: glad to be having in this space with you all,

711
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 3: because I think I agree on many points and then

712
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 3: I disagree with some that I'll kind of get to.

713
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 3: But I think the reason this conversation is important with

714
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 3: Tiffany is because we live in a culture of anti

715
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Speaker 3: intellectualism and we have to understand that, and most of

716
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 3: that is intentional. In this country right now, we literally

717
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 3: punish kids because of the zip code they're born into.

718
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 3: And what I mean by that, and I think Andrew

719
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 3: may recall this from his time as being mayor, is

720
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 3: that the way we fund our schools right now is

721
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 3: from federal funding, state funding, and local funding. And so

722
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 3: if you're from a poor area like where I'm from,

723
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 3: I was going to catch twenty two when I was

724
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Speaker 3: legislating because I couldn't recruit industry because I had poor schools.

725
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 3: But I had poor schools because I couldn't recruit industry,

726
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 3: and so it becomes very cyclical about the resources. And

727
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 3: I mean, to TIFF's greater point, we're not preparing young

728
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 3: people for twenty first century global economy. We're not giving

729
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 3: them access. And right now, the proverbial world is flat

730
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 3: because when you graduate from Denmark, South Carolina, where I'm from,

731
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 3: or Tallaha I see, or Seattle or wherever you may

732
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 3: be from, you're now competing with kids who finish all

733
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 3: around the world, and it contributes to this culture of

734
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 3: anti intellectualism. I think Mark's purpose there and I love

735
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Speaker 3: Mark Lamont Hill. We disagree on a lot of things substantively.

736
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 3: We hit each other up policy, we try to have

737
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Speaker 3: these intellectual discussions back and forth. He's somebody who sharpened you.

738
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Speaker 3: But I think Mark is there intentionally. I think Mark

739
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 3: is there purposefully. I think that it adds the dynamic

740
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Speaker 3: and I going back to our conversations that we've had

741
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Speaker 3: in the past, you cannot let things go in a

742
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 3: vacuum without them being challenged, and so I do think

743
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 3: that there is an added value to having someone like

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Speaker 3: Mark lamon Hill being there. You know, I watch the

745
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Speaker 3: show every now and then, Andrew, I'm not a I

746
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,959
Speaker 3: can't consume everything all the time, but I do watch

747
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 3: it every now and then. And you know, I know

748
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Speaker 3: I think his name is Flip. I guarantee you I

749
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Speaker 3: know ten flips. I know one of Mark Clamant Hill,

750
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 3: because that's just the level of intellect. But I know

751
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 3: ten flips at minimum, and I think the way they

752
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,839
Speaker 3: were able to have that conversation, as cringe as it is,

753
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 3: are conversations that happen more often than people actually think,

754
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 3: or they're conversations that people want to have. I'm not

755
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 3: in a position to give Mark Lamont Hill any advice,

756
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 3: but what I would tell him if I talked to

757
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 3: him the day or tomorrow, and I might hit him

758
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,959
Speaker 3: up on text, is what my daddy told me, which

759
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 3: is that you never argue with a fool because people

760
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 3: watching can't tell the difference, right. And so you know,

761
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 3: in the South Carolina we say you roll around with pigs,

762
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 3: you both get muddy, and the pig likes it, right,

763
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 3: And so there's this certain level of kind of checks

764
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 3: and balances that goes through your head. But I love

765
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Speaker 3: the layered dynamic that is Mark Lamont Hill from Philadelphia.

766
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 3: I think Andrew has the same thing in him, like

767
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 3: there is a certain level of respect that you must have,

768
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Speaker 3: which is also why I'm pushing back on one of

769
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Speaker 3: your points, Tiffany. There is a certain level of respect

770
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Speaker 3: you must have going into these conversations, right, and it's

771
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 3: a respect. We will never have that because we all

772
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 3: have that level of respect for each other. And what

773
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,280
Speaker 3: you saw in that episode was that respect being fractured.

774
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 3: And whenever that respect is fractured, you have to be

775
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 3: willing to bust someone's ass, right, And you I mean

776
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 3: not not literally, but you got to.

777
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 8: Show that you are or literally or literally.

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Speaker 3: Because because because I mean t I is somebody who

779
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 3: talks about it often oftentimes cliper areas. You never get

780
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 3: that back. You never get that back, right. And so

781
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 3: I loved how layered the discussion was. It was very real.

782
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 3: You know, it's cringe worthy to watch all those things,

783
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 3: but it was very, very real. And I think that

784
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 3: I took something out of that where I think that

785
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 3: people were extremely proud Mark Lamont Hill uh stood up

786
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,320
Speaker 3: for himself in that moment. I think that I respect

787
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 3: Flip's opinions, all though they aren't maybe to the level

788
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 3: of likening, of intellectual capacity or whatever, but there's so

789
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 3: many people that have it that I'm not ready to

790
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 3: cast him aside. I want him to have more conversations

791
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 3: with Mark Lamont Hill. I want him to approach these

792
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 3: conversations with respect. I want Mark to approach those conversations

793
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 3: with flip with respect. I think we have to do

794
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 3: that when we're going on college campuses or going out

795
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 3: in the world. I mean, you have to have this

796
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 3: level of respect because that is the only way information

797
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 3: will free flow. The last thing that I'll say is

798
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 3: something that you and Andrew said which made me kind

799
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 3: of jump a little bit, is it's about It's about

800
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 3: AI and the way that we approach it right And

801
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 3: I think and I know that we probably will get

802
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 3: to the same place, but the way that it was

803
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 3: couched it scares me a little bit. And the reason

804
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 3: it scares me is because many times black folk end

805
00:43:55,840 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 3: up in diametrical opposition from the next thing. And what

806
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 3: I don't want to do is ever frame us, because

807
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 3: it will leave us behind. I want us to be

808
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 3: a part of this new revolution. I want us to

809
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 3: find our footing in artificial intelligence. I want us to

810
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 3: be able to accept it in our communities. I want

811
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 3: us to be able to monetize it in our communities.

812
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 3: I want us to be able to use it in

813
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 3: our communities. I will it contribute to the culture of

814
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 3: anti intellectualism, probably, but we also do we want it

815
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 3: to contribute to the culture of anti intellectualism and to

816
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 3: leave us behind in terms of being a part of

817
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 3: this ship that we know is coming. Or do we

818
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 3: take this posture being anti intellectual? I mean, we take

819
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 3: this posture being anti AI to a point where again

820
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 3: we're talking about man if thirty years ago, forty years ago,

821
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 3: fifty years ago, we would have been on the front

822
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 3: lines of XYZ, It's different. This isn't a this is

823
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 3: not an indictment on Andrew talking about the way that

824
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,399
Speaker 3: he integrates books with his children, et cetera, et cetera,

825
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 3: et cetera. And I want to be clear about that

826
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 3: because I try to do the same thing. I want

827
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 3: my kids to be well rad I want that I'm

828
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 3: actually going to steal that thing about writing birthday cards,

829
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 3: not because I'm as cheap as Andrew, but because I

830
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 3: think it's just a good parenting idea. But I do

831
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 3: want us to to kind of posture ourselves with this

832
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 3: new innovation is not just looking at the detriment but

833
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 3: also looking at the plus. Mind you, I'm not someone

834
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 3: who knows all the pluses, but I'm willing to try.

835
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Speaker 6: I hear you Andrew. I mean, I'm.

836
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 3: I'm about to go markle My Hill and his mother,

837
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 3: and that's what I'm about to do.

838
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 6: I don't want to know.

839
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 2: Here's the thing, here's the thing.

840
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Speaker 1: Tip you he ain't coming because guess what you behind

841
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: a screen, he feel a real bowl right over there.

842
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 6: I hear you on the A.

843
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 7: I point And just in transparency, I did reach out

844
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 7: to Mark and invite him on our show and he

845
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 7: enthusiastically accepted. So look for Mark to join the podcast

846
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 7: in the coming weeks and I can't wait to have

847
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 7: him here to invite him. And I'm so happy Angelaie

848
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 7: referenced that other clip because that was the other clip

849
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,240
Speaker 7: that I was so offended by. But to your point,

850
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 7: Bakari one about AI, it's not, you know, I don't

851
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 7: think the answer to you know, will dis contribute to

852
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 7: anti intellectualism. Probably the answer is absolutely like we have

853
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 7: the data right now this shows that. But I do

854
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 7: take your point, and I'm in this debate with almost

855
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 7: everybody I talked to about and as Angelin knows, I

856
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 7: don't like the debate. But I'm in this debate because

857
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 7: people are trying Because people are trying to convince me.

858
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 6: To like AI, and I'm like, I'm not.

859
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 7: I know it's necessary, it's here, but I'm not going

860
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 7: to be one of these people. It's like, I'm so

861
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 7: excited about AI. I do think just like social media,

862
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 7: it does intellects, and I think us we grew up

863
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 7: without social media, we grew up without AI, and so

864
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 7: our brains are wired differently where we can utilize these

865
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 7: tools and still maintain some level of cognitive function. Young

866
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 7: people do not have that privilege. I also will say,

867
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 7: on this an area where we likely disagree, I made

868
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 7: the cheese may stand alone on this one too. I'm

869
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 7: not saying it's something wrong with engaging the flips of

870
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 7: the world. I would never say Andrew Bacari Angela, y'all

871
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 7: should not engage the flips. I'm saying I, Tiffany, have

872
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 7: no desire to engage.

873
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 6: The flips of the world.

874
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 7: I don't choose to be in a conversation. But that's

875
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 7: just not my ministry. I wouldn't be good at it,

876
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 7: and I just have no desire. And yes, I do

877
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 7: maintain I do not respect everybody's opinion on everything, and yes,

878
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 7: we respect each other's opinion here on most things, but

879
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 7: there are some things. I mean, Bikari, if you came

880
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 7: to me and was like, oh your period coming, you

881
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 7: got a cramp, this is what you need to do,

882
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 7: I'm probably like, what are you basing that on?

883
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:45,879
Speaker 6: Bcar? Like where did you get that from? Like that's

884
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 6: not necessarily your area of expertise, So I might not.

885
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 3: I got that off. I got that off Instagram. The lady.

886
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 1: Listen and how bad the crabs are.

887
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 2: I might listen to a wh.

888
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 7: But I hear that so often and people are like, oh, well,

889
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,800
Speaker 7: I got a hunch, or I got it off Instagram,

890
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 7: or I saw it on TikTok, or I know for

891
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,280
Speaker 7: a fact, Well, how do you know for a fact?

892
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 7: And then more often people told me because so and

893
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 7: so told me that you don't know for a fact.

894
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 7: If you didn't talk to the source, then you don't

895
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 7: know something for a fact. So I don't respect everyone's.

896
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,959
Speaker 4: Opinion sports and your.

897
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 6: All, how dare you?

898
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 7: I am happy to be the sports expert, but there

899
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 7: are some things that y'all shouldn't.

900
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 6: Respect my opinion on, like and I think that.

901
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 3: Let me just say this, Let me say what my

902
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 3: fear is when I go into conversations about respect. And

903
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 3: also let me just say that Tiffany and people that

904
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 3: are listening, protect your peace right. You were the only

905
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 3: one that knows how to make sure that you are

906
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 3: as healthy mentally and emotionally to go forward. Amen, And

907
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 3: I don't want you decompensating overdoing some other bullshit that

908
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:03,240
Speaker 3: otherwise you and do. However, my only point in saying

909
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 3: that we have to approach these conversations in respect, and

910
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 3: I'm glad that Mark is having these conversations, is that

911
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 3: particularly with black folks and black intelligentsia, the gulf between

912
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 3: black intelligentsia and those people who are intellectually curious is widening.

913
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 3: A lot to do with societal and policy factors, but

914
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 3: also whether or not we want to hear this or not,

915
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 3: we're pushing them away, and so I think we have

916
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 3: to be very cognizant. And we speaking I'm not speaking French,

917
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 3: I mean global weed. I mean we have to be

918
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 3: very cognizant that sometimes you want to say, Man, I

919
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 3: just want to have a conversation with Andrew Gilloman marcom

920
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 3: On Hill. You know, those are the people I want

921
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 3: to talk to because those are the people that get

922
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 3: me and we can talk about politics with some depth.

923
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,399
Speaker 3: And then when somebody asks you a question and they

924
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 3: come to you and they're like, man, so again, you know,

925
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 3: Steven A was talking about this in Jasmine Crockett on appropriations,

926
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 3: and then you don't want to go there with them

927
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 3: because of that intellect, actual curiosity, and you push them away.

928
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 3: Then they begin to seek out other sources. And so

929
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 3: I'm trying to figure out how we how we feel

930
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 3: that vacuum. And that's why, you know Mark, if Mark

931
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 3: got it, I'll pay for some boxing lessons. That's what

932
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 3: it takes for him to go and be successful on

933
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 3: the Joe Button podcast. You know what I mean?

934
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 4: You know what I wish we had started with, and

935
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 4: I know we're wrapping this topic up. I wish we

936
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 4: would have started with what we think we heard in

937
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 4: the exchange, you know, just a little interpretation of what

938
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 4: that idea actually didn't. What I will say is I

939
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 4: didn't think that there were fancy words dividing what each

940
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 4: of them understood the other to be saying. It wasn't

941
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 4: a vocabulary contest. It was somebody saying, you're always using

942
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 4: words that feel bigger than what this conversation really ought

943
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 4: to be. About to impress somebody and to cuddle up

944
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 4: to this audience and to make you know, people feel

945
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:52,919
Speaker 4: better about this part of that part. And he said, nah,

946
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 4: I didn't do that. You think they're big words because

947
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 4: you don't always understand them, and dudes like, nah, I

948
00:50:57,840 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 4: don't you just always you know, you're always doing too much.

949
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 4: But we can go on and all that, But there

950
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 4: were there were not big divides in understanding what the

951
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 4: other was saying. I completely I feel like I followed

952
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,839
Speaker 4: what the beef may have been or been or may

953
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,240
Speaker 4: not have been about. And that's why this whole idea

954
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 4: that some condescension and the way in which we talk

955
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 4: about these things has to take place in order for

956
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 4: us to be on the same plane of debate is

957
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 4: a little weird to me. I think a lot of

958
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 4: times it may make us feel good to say we

959
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 4: got to use a different vocabulary in order for all

960
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 4: of us to be on the same page, but at

961
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 4: a very different level, I don't think the vocabulary is

962
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 4: the problem at all. I'm hearing exactly, I'm picking up

963
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,359
Speaker 4: exactly what you're putting down. I'm picking it all up.

964
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 4: I'm telling you, this is the part about it where

965
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 4: you're not gonna come at me that way and you're

966
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 4: still coming. But you're not gonna come at me that

967
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 4: way and you're still coming. And so what has to

968
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 4: happen is it's not like we're refusing to have the conversation.

969
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 4: The conversation is being had. It's absolutely being had. Now,

970
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 4: whether or not you're properly interpreting you know, you know

971
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 4: my disc versus you're that is something completely different. I

972
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 4: resent the idea that you have to speak Why can't

973
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 4: we call up instead of acting down or calling down?

974
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 4: What is the matter we're calling up into a conversation?

975
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 6: What's that mean?

976
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 4: Calling for me? It simply is we don't have to

977
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 4: use cuss words the whole way through in order for

978
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 4: us to feel like we're having a very gutter, you know,

979
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 4: conversation that everybody can reach into. But what do you

980
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 4: mean precisely what you just said, what you just exampled.

981
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,800
Speaker 4: It's just one way at it that I think sometimes

982
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 4: this whole idea of meeting people at their level and

983
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 4: this sort of thing is an insult to the people

984
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,359
Speaker 4: for whom you think you're a meeting that sometimes that

985
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 4: that meeting can take place at a very common place,

986
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 4: at a very decent and respectable place, without us going,

987
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 4: you know, without us going outside ourselves.

988
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 3: You know, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm over here in justing.

989
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:00,879
Speaker 3: I'm working, y'all, and I'm trying. I'm doing the best

990
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 3: I can with the.

991
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 2: I feel man's explain.

992
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say he really does have a delay. Is

993
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: getting on our nerves. But I will just say this too.

994
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 1: I think it is really important for us to understand

995
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 1: that sometimes this is about inadequacy. And I think that

996
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 1: if our if anybody should understand what it is like

997
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: to feel voiceless or silenced, what it is like to

998
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 1: feel unheard or invisible, unseen, I think it's to be

999
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:32,760
Speaker 1: black folks.

1000
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 2: And that's why I'm like, I don't know.

1001
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: How we got to a place where our conversations are

1002
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 1: so siloed. You know, the construct of the neighborhood doesn't

1003
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: look the same anymore. There's gentrification.

1004
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 2: The kids.

1005
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: You know, some kids are going to private school and

1006
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 1: their parents afford it, can afford to send them there,

1007
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,399
Speaker 1: but they still trying to find them communal activities. Some

1008
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 1: of our folks, but there are so many more who

1009
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: don't feel comfortable sending black kids with other black children,

1010
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 1: and so they are siloed. And I do think we

1011
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: have an obligation for unity's sake, just for math, like

1012
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,280
Speaker 1: there ain't enough of us for all of these additional divides.

1013
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 2: This man on this show, though, hattn't.

1014
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 1: I don't feel come to terms with the fact that

1015
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: he is on the other side of disrespect too often

1016
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 1: with Mark, And so what Mark was focused on someone

1017
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 1: who is smart, and we know in our community sometimes

1018
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: when you're smart, you are bullied like all of your life,

1019
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:34,439
Speaker 1: Like you are bullied if you're the one that seen

1020
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:37,439
Speaker 1: reading books and you don't play at recess sometimes because

1021
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 1: you want to do your homework or whatever. I'm not

1022
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 1: saying that's Mark's story, but sometimes it is. And you still, nigga,

1023
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 1: You'll get mad every now and then are like, let

1024
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 1: me tell you what you shouldn't get confused. And I

1025
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 1: think that's the part what he was focusing on, Andrews,

1026
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 1: that you were talking about. The why I heard Mark

1027
00:54:56,320 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 1: almost zone in on the sucker shit remark. He was like,

1028
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 1: you ain't gonna call me sucker too many more times,

1029
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 1: And it's because he's constantly having that experience on the podcast,

1030
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: which is why that's my concern for his mental health.

1031
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 2: Now.

1032
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: Mark is mature and older and had an angry outburst,

1033
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 1: but also checked himself. I was like, wait a minute,

1034
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 1: let's I'll calm down to try to reel it back in.

1035
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:19,399
Speaker 1: But there are a lot of kids who don't have

1036
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 1: the tools to emotionally do that at school, and they're

1037
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 1: the ones who end up taking the gun to school.

1038
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 2: They're the ones who I agree.

1039
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 4: With you one hundred percent on this all really being

1040
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 4: about a conversation of inadequacy, and the truth is is

1041
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:36,839
Speaker 4: that it was inadequacy on both sides than you can

1042
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 4: there's some that because yeah, yes, go right ahead.

1043
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 3: No, because I was gonna say one of the things

1044
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 3: we have not brought to the forefront is the fact

1045
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 3: that y'all do realize. Mark called this nigga dumb.

1046
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 6: I did not hear that.

1047
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 3: How did you?

1048
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 4: He said?

1049
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:58,800
Speaker 1: He said, I'm using words that are tricky to you.

1050
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 7: He responded to say, you're using them tricky words and

1051
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 7: he said, I'm not, you know not, come on tip that.

1052
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 6: I disagree.

1053
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 7: And this is why I don't have conversations with with

1054
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 7: with people like that, because to me, that people like

1055
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 7: him because you, because Mark made him feel small, because

1056
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 7: so fragile, because well this will we disagree.

1057
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:24,280
Speaker 6: I've Mark made him feel small.

1058
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 7: And when he said you use those tricky words, and

1059
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 7: Mark said, I don't use tricky words. I'm using words

1060
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 7: that are tricky to you, I actually agree with that.

1061
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 7: I don't have to like again if my ministry like,

1062
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 7: I applaud anybody who goes into spaces and says, yes,

1063
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:42,320
Speaker 7: I can. You are the person I'm seeking out the

1064
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 7: flips of the world are the people I want to engage.

1065
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 6: I applaud it. I don't look down on that. I

1066
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 6: don't think there's anything wrong with that.

1067
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,359
Speaker 7: I'm saying. I know because I'm gonna respond how Mark did.

1068
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 7: Don't try to belittle me because I'm using the word

1069
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,839
Speaker 7: you don't understand. Don't try to put a put down

1070
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:58,799
Speaker 7: to me because I'm talking about something that might be

1071
00:56:58,840 --> 00:56:59,919
Speaker 7: a bit over your head.

1072
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,280
Speaker 6: So I did not hear Mark call him dumb.

1073
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 7: I heard Mark saying, no, don't try to say something

1074
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 7: to me because I'm using a word you don't understand.

1075
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 7: Use your curiosity and say, Mark, can you better explain

1076
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:13,240
Speaker 7: your point? You all talk about things all the time.

1077
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 7: Angela and I have breakfast in New York with our

1078
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 7: boil off Onso. They're both attorneys, and so they were

1079
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 7: saying things that I didn't follow. I didn't understand, and

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00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 7: Angela was saying and stuff like well, i'd have to

1081
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Speaker 7: pro howk in and up yup because discovery. I didn't

1082
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 7: get that. I wasn't sitting there like I mean, y'all

1083
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 7: all using them tricky words like I'm here too. I'm like,

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00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 7: what is that mean exactly?

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Speaker 8: You know?

1086
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 4: I mean, was I not?

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00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 2: But t if you're a wire different, you're wired different.

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00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: And I think what the three of us, I don't

1089
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 1: want to speak for the boys.

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00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 2: I'll let them do it themselves.

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00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 1: But the three of us may have heard an implication

1092
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: of dumb if somebody said that, well, I mean, that's

1093
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 1: still dumb, like whether he said it directly or was implied.

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00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 1: If somebody said back to me, I'm like, I don't

1095
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 1: know what y'all talk about, and they'd be like, well,

1096
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 1: you don't know because you slow, that's not calling me dumb.

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00:57:58,840 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 6: But he didn't say that.

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00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 1: I know, But I'm trying to give you an analogy.

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00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 1: No debater, you know, she not debated, y'all.

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Speaker 7: I wanted at some point we're gonna talk tell that

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00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 7: conversation because I think we're people probably agree with Angela

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00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 7: when we talk about it.

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00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 6: But anyway, well, I didn't want to say.

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Speaker 1: This, but it would be go ahead, Butkari, because we

1105
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:18,439
Speaker 1: would be really good, we get to yes, yes.

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00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 3: No, because I'm gonna let y'all have this reparation conversation

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00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 3: on the west coast. We don't know what those are

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00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 3: in South Carolina. But I when I when I said

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00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 3: the conversation was layered, I saw two people get heated

1110
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 3: in a conversation. I saw, you know, they're going back

1111
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 3: and forth about something you're doing. I saw Mark call

1112
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 3: him dumb. I saw the guy respond is if somebody

1113
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 3: just called him dumb. I saw a conversation get out

1114
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 3: of hand. But the thing that you got to point

1115
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 3: out that Angela hit on was something that our brother

1116
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 3: Marco my Hill should get credit for, which is that

1117
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 3: he had the emotional intelligence to see a conversation get

1118
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 3: out of hand at the end of that clip and

1119
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 3: said let me sit down, let me back away. And

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Speaker 3: Angela highlighted something that I do not want to go unnoticed.

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00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 3: And I'm to be over here. You know, going to

1122
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 3: be a black man whisperer all the time, but when

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00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:09,439
Speaker 3: the point comes up, I will say this that there

1124
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 3: are a lot of our young boys who do not

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00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 3: and cannot because they don't have the tools display the

1126
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 3: level of emotional intelligence that Mark got and Mark showed,

1127
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 3: and sometimes they're going to have these discussions and debates

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Speaker 3: at you know, sixth grade, seventh grade, eighth grade, and

1129
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 3: instead of being expelled from school, which becomes cyclical and

1130
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 3: kicked out of school, if they're able to say, wait

1131
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 3: a minute, let me cool down, let cooler heads prevail.

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Speaker 3: I think that is also a lesson that we can

1133
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 3: take for Mark Lamont Hill, even if he didn't want

1134
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 3: to be in that space, because sometimes people get us

1135
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 3: out of character, and sometimes black folks got to get

1136
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 3: out of character, and so you know, I think being

1137
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 3: able to pull yourself back in sometimes and breathe. I

1138
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 3: give Mark full props for that.

1139
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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00:59:56,720 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 1: Well, speaking of pulling, the governor of CA California does

1141
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 1: not think that we should have reparations, and I think

1142
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 1: that is this is a continuation of a Booker T.

1143
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 1: Washington concept of pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps.

1144
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 1: We don't have no boots for in So somehow that

1145
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:19,439
Speaker 1: got a little confused. We are going to talk now

1146
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 1: about him vetoing some measures and if you can't tell,

1147
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 1: I am trying to pull what those measures are exactly.

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01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 6: There was one, Angela, No.

1149
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 1: I got it there there was There was one that

1150
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 1: I want to point out to interestingly, as there is

1151
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 1: this onslaught of attacks on higher education, one of the

1152
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 1: bills was a post secondary education admissions preference which would

1153
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 1: have been for descendants of the enslaved. What I think

1154
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 1: is fascinating here is this is Assembly Bill seven who

1155
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 1: was introduced.

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01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 2: It was introduced by Isaac Bryan.

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01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 1: What's fascinating about this is there's this attack, this violent

1158
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 1: attack almost on universities all over the country. They think

1159
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 1: that this bill have violated Proposition two nine. That's what

1160
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 1: I talked about at the top of this show. Then

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01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:08,440
Speaker 1: there's the California Dream for all people. This would have

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Speaker 1: also benefited a descendants of enslaved people. That also was vetoed.

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01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 1: That was AB fifty seven. Assembly Bill fifty seven. Assembly

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01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 1: Bill sixty two would have had the Civil Rights Department

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01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 1: deal with racially motivated imminent domain, which we know is

1166
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 1: a big issue in California, but also all over this country,

1167
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 1: issues like airs property as well have come up, and

1168
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:35,919
Speaker 1: of course folks lose in property for property tax debt

1169
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 1: has been a major issue that also was vetoed. Then

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01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 1: there was Assembly Bill seven forty two that were for

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01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:46,440
Speaker 1: the Department of Consumer Affairs, the licensing would be preferential

1172
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:49,440
Speaker 1: for anyone who was a descendant of an enslaved person.

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01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 1: And lastly Assembly Bill seven sixty six, this would have

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01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 1: provided strategic plans for diversity, equity and inclusion for state

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01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 1: agencies and departments. Gavin Newsome saw it fit to veto

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01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 1: not one, not two, not three, not four, but five

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01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 1: bills that would have provided some benefit to enslaved people

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01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 1: of descendants of people who were enslaved. And I think

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01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 1: what is mind blowing about this is what he agreed

1180
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 1: to was a study. We know over and over again

1181
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:30,520
Speaker 1: that folks are put into position to review. And maybe

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01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 1: it's because this textbook thing that people have been bandoned

1183
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 1: textbooks long before they were off the shelves, they wouldn't

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01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 1: even look at them to deal with guilt. So now

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01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom, who has found time to engage with white Republicans,

1186
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 1: especially those who support and lift up white racist ideology

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01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 1: saw fit to veto five bills that would have provided

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01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:57,439
Speaker 1: some type of restorative or reparative justice for folks who

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01:02:58,400 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 1: are descendants of enslaved people.

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Speaker 6: So I'll just the.

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01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:03,959
Speaker 7: Best a little bit of clarity and then I don't

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01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 7: have to lay in on it. But the bill that

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01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 7: he did sign was authorizing six million dollars for California

1194
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 7: State University to study how to confirm an individual status

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Speaker 7: as a descendant of an enslaved person. And for context

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Speaker 7: out if you've been following on the reparations issue in California,

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01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 7: a few years ago, the state legislature.

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Speaker 6: Did approve.

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Speaker 7: A similar bill of reparations bill which also caused a

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01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:33,040
Speaker 7: lot of controversy because one people began to question the

1201
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 7: history of slavery and how many people were enslaved in California,

1202
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Speaker 7: And of course there were enslaved people in California, and

1203
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 7: California certainly benefit from the institution of slavery, as did

1204
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 7: every state in America too. It became quite a debate

1205
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 7: because there was controversy over if you were a descendant

1206
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 7: of an enslaved person here in America. And so the

1207
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 7: ahead of the Black Caucus at the time, who had

1208
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 7: authored this bill was out and about trying to defend that.

1209
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 7: They were saying, yes, you have to be a descendant

1210
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Speaker 7: of an enslaved person here in America. So when you

1211
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 7: think about people, maybe you know your parents migrated from

1212
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:17,160
Speaker 7: the Caribbean, which also benefit from the slave trade. They

1213
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 7: were saying, if your mama gotta be it happens to

1214
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 7: be Jamaican, or your grandma was Jamaican, then you do

1215
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 7: not qualify for these bills. So the reparations issue in

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Speaker 7: California has been a huge deal. This also isn't unlike

1217
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 7: what we've seen in Congress. Angela could probably say more

1218
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:35,280
Speaker 7: about this on what Congress from Mishila Jackson Lee. Correct

1219
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:36,680
Speaker 7: me if I'm wrong, angel I think I have this

1220
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 7: rite I'm pulling from memory. Congress from Mishila Jackson Lee

1221
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:42,280
Speaker 7: was also a big advocate on just a study, and

1222
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 7: if I am correct, that study was also never a

1223
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 7: Congress kept saying no, we won't even approve a bill

1224
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:52,760
Speaker 7: to study what reparations would look like. And there have

1225
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 7: been similar measures all across the country, even including in Maryland.

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01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:00,200
Speaker 7: Our friend friend of the Shelle Governor Wes Moore, who

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Speaker 7: also vetoed a reparations bill. So that's the context, and

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Speaker 7: I'm not sure that we'll ever see reparations in this

1229
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 7: country at the state or a federal level, to be honest.

1230
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 7: I think the other thing that's important here is he

1231
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 7: did approve for measures. All of them had to do

1232
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 7: with how you file or receive a civil rights complaint,

1233
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 7: how dollars are being spent in post secondary education. There

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01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:25,760
Speaker 7: have been four bills that he approved since August. All

1235
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 7: of them have to do with study or the ways

1236
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 7: in which civil rights complaints are decided. And sadly, and

1237
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 7: maybe this was on purpose, I'm willing to say at

1238
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:35,920
Speaker 7: this point the way this guy moves it could be

1239
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 7: on purpose. He knows that there are federal dollars that

1240
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 7: would have to help to determine whether or not the

1241
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 7: Department of Education, for example, in California, can even go

1242
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 7: through and have the actual funding necessary to address said claims.

1243
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:54,480
Speaker 7: The other thing that we have to just be clear

1244
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 7: about is some of the state funding that would go

1245
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:01,160
Speaker 7: to CSU, which is where one of the bills also

1246
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:05,920
Speaker 7: and impacts California State University, also federal dollars. So the

1247
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:08,880
Speaker 7: moment they do something that is in the crosshairs of

1248
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 7: the federal government. They will likely lose federal funding. We've

1249
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 7: already seen that happen. So the bills that.

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Speaker 1: He approved, I think all of them are contingent in

1251
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:18,400
Speaker 1: some way at least or at least can put them

1252
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 1: in the crosshairs of losing federal funding.

1253
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Speaker 7: How do you compare his vetail to that of Governor

1254
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:27,360
Speaker 7: Wes Moore, because they both essentially I mean, yeah, anybody.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Wes Moore was it was a study. He said

1256
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 1: that they had done enough studies. I tend to agree.

1257
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 1: I just would have liked to see him establish an

1258
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:37,439
Speaker 1: implementation task force to move beyond the study part. But yeah,

1259
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 1: these are not studies. These were implementation bills.

1260
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 2: They need vegoed. He approved a study. Yeah, I mean, I.

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01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 3: Love Wes, and so I've actually given Wes this criticism

1262
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 3: to his face and spoke to him about it. The

1263
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 3: first thing Wes should have done, I believe, in my opinion,

1264
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:53,479
Speaker 3: is if you're going to veto a study, you put

1265
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 3: you couple that veto with a package full of equity

1266
01:06:57,240 --> 01:07:01,120
Speaker 3: proposals to move the state forward. That's whoever gave him

1267
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:03,880
Speaker 3: advice to veto that because then he ended up doing

1268
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 3: something which I'm going to show the similarities between what

1269
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 3: West did and Governor Newsom did. Governor Newsom and West

1270
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 3: both tried to triangulate, which is something Bill Clinton made

1271
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:21,160
Speaker 3: extremely popular. It's kind of going against your base, rising above,

1272
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:26,800
Speaker 3: you know, having this belief that you're able to kind

1273
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:29,280
Speaker 3: of rise above the fray on issues that are contentious

1274
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 3: such as this with some thought that is maybe beyond

1275
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:34,960
Speaker 3: both Democrat and Republican thought processes. Right, It's like a

1276
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:38,680
Speaker 3: triangulation strategy. And many times when that happens, four folk,

1277
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:41,640
Speaker 3: brown folk, black folk are left behind. The second thing

1278
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:43,480
Speaker 3: that Governor Newsom's having to deal with now is he's

1279
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:45,840
Speaker 3: having to explain himself. And I think that Andrew can

1280
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 3: tell you the basic tenets of politics. If you're explaining,

1281
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:50,600
Speaker 3: you're losing. So now he has to go out on

1282
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:52,880
Speaker 3: the road and tell people why he did this, and

1283
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 3: tell me, you know, what have you done for this

1284
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:56,680
Speaker 3: person or what have you done for that person. In

1285
01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:59,000
Speaker 3: Wes's case, when you talked to him about it, he said,

1286
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:00,840
Speaker 3: let me tell you what we done for black people.

1287
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:03,080
Speaker 3: And then he began to explain and have to rattle

1288
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 3: off and do all of those things. And if you're

1289
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:06,560
Speaker 3: ever in a position where you have to do that,

1290
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:09,720
Speaker 3: you're losing. I mean, there's a larger conversation about whether

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Speaker 3: or not you will get reparations. I believe all four

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Speaker 3: of us are four reparations of some shape form of fashion.

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Speaker 3: The question is what do they look like? Right, and

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Speaker 3: how do we get there? But I think Gavin Newsom

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Speaker 3: just displayed to you that he is I mean, I

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Speaker 3: don't think it's a knot, but he's very calculating. And

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Speaker 3: in this calculation that he made the people that lose

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Speaker 3: or people that look like us.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I was just going to appreciate that

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Speaker 4: helping us to recall triangulation. And it is a strategy

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Speaker 4: that sits at the feet of the foot of Bill Clinton.

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Speaker 4: He did it on welfare reform, where he made black

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Speaker 4: women the ire of everybody's existence. It happened on Crime

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Speaker 4: and Justice and the hiring of one hundred thousand new

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Speaker 4: police officers to hit American streets, and we know what

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Speaker 4: the foil of that was. And I think what's happening

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Speaker 4: now is democrats, certain democrats are deciding that it is

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Speaker 4: an imperative in the democratic presidential primary, meaning it is

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Speaker 4: a must have in the primary to have a Democrat

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Speaker 4: who is willing to strike hard against the Democratic base

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Speaker 4: in some form or another in order to win this

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Speaker 4: movable middle of the electorate out there who will be

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Speaker 4: kinder to them, who may give them their votes if

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Speaker 4: they can show that they have the courage to strike

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Speaker 4: out against a part of its base, and similar as

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Speaker 4: it was in the early nineteen nineties, ninety two and

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Speaker 4: ninety four and ninety six, black people are going to

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Speaker 4: be at the intersection of this striking out reparations is

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Speaker 4: I think just one form that we're going to see

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Speaker 4: this triangulation take place. I think it's going to happen

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Speaker 4: quite frankly on a number of our issues. And what

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Speaker 4: they're going to try to communicate to voters is that, yes,

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Speaker 4: I believe in the Democratic Coalition, but I'm willing to

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Speaker 4: tell them hard truths too. I'm willing to go and

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Speaker 4: look them directly in the face and tell them what's

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Speaker 4: good for them and what's not good for them, and

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Speaker 4: what's bad for their people, and that I'm not always

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Speaker 4: going to be on their side, but I want all

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Speaker 4: their votes, and I think we have to be really

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Speaker 4: suspicious of this tactic. I think we have to call

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Speaker 4: the tactic out when we see it. I don't think

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Speaker 4: it's worth waiting. I don't think we got to wait

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Speaker 4: our way through the presidential primary process to know that

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Speaker 4: this is a key part or some folks are making

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Speaker 4: this a key part of their strategy for winning the

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Speaker 4: Democratic nomination. Whether Gavin Newsom believes this thing or not

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Speaker 4: is a little concern to me. Whether the governor of

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Speaker 4: Maryland believed what he was specially at the time, is

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Speaker 4: a little concern for me. I think the calculation has

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Speaker 4: been made that you have to show that you're willing

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Speaker 4: to on the Democratic side. By the way, I'm not

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Speaker 4: even saying this is for the replicants, because I don't

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Speaker 4: believe this is a strategy on their side, But on

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Speaker 4: the Democratic side, you have to be willing to strike

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Speaker 4: out against a key element of your base, I eat

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Speaker 4: black people, in order to show that you have the

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Speaker 4: bona feeds to compete and to win the presidency and

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Speaker 4: the twenty twenty what is it twenty eight cycle? And

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Speaker 4: I just think when we see this thing where its head,

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Speaker 4: we have to call it for what it is. We

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Speaker 4: have to make a demand and then see if they're

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Speaker 4: willing to then recapitulate back to our demand. And so far,

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Speaker 4: somebody has determined that it's a winning strategy to take

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Speaker 4: on reparations and to sideline this issue for black folks

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Speaker 4: and be willing to do it in our face. And

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Speaker 4: we got to be watchful of it.

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Speaker 3: You gotta one of the things in your litany of

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Speaker 3: things about Bill Clinton that I thought you were going

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Speaker 3: to go to that I want the view is to

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Speaker 3: remember some of them old enough to remember if you

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Speaker 3: not google it. Sis a Soldier was another moment that

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Speaker 3: was quite similar to that She was a foil that litany.

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Speaker 3: But also and also listen, I love Wes. I hope

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Speaker 3: he runs for president of the United States. But if

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Speaker 3: we cannot be critical of people who look like us

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Speaker 3: doing the same thing, I can't hold Gavin Newsom accountable.

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Speaker 3: I already have enough reasons to dislike Gavin Newsom because

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Speaker 3: he is the most handsome person and the smartest person

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Speaker 3: in the room. Always all you have to do is

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Speaker 3: ask him, right. But I do think that that lack

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Speaker 3: of self awareness shone through in the politics of the day.

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Speaker 3: He employs the hug of black woman thing which I hate,

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Speaker 3: which is like every time he goes to a place,

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Speaker 3: he finds an old black woman and he hugs it

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Speaker 3: for the camera, and that's like the front page of

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Speaker 3: the Florence newspaper or whatever. So there are a lot

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Speaker 3: of nuances I dislike, but the triangulation that we're seeing

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Speaker 3: and it just it put me in that mind frame.

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Speaker 3: It's like whenever you go through a period of triangulation

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Speaker 3: with your elected officials. I mean, Barack Obama did some

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Speaker 3: of it. We'ress for office. It wasn't to that ext

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Speaker 3: Black folk, black folk, poor people are in a cross

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Speaker 3: hairs in that.

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Speaker 4: Order, one and the same in many instances.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well all right, if you feel complete, oh car.

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Speaker 7: Because I'm excited to get to calls to action because

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Speaker 7: I have a good call to action right on the

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Speaker 7: other side of this break, we'll get into calls to action.

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Speaker 2: There is no Native lamppod show without.

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Speaker 3: Who cares about truth?

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Speaker 9: When the last morning seen it?

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Speaker 6: Okay.

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Speaker 7: My call to action this week, I'm thrilled is for

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Speaker 7: a friend and someone I really look up to, and

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Speaker 7: that's doctor Sharon Malone. She is a doctor gynecologist and

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Speaker 7: she just launches the podcast as we called the Second Opinion.

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Speaker 7: She is a part of the Michelle Obama crew. She's

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Speaker 7: one of Michelle Obama's best friends. And you may have

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Speaker 7: seen her on Missus Obama's podcast, or you may have

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Speaker 7: seen her on Oprah. But I'm thrilled because I had

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Speaker 7: her on my show when I had the show at MSNBC,

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Speaker 7: and how that happened. I was literally walking in city Center.

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Speaker 7: You guys are familiar with city Center, and she came

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Speaker 7: up to me and she was like, you know, you're

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Speaker 7: in perimenopause.

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Speaker 6: And I'm like, oh, hello, doctor Sharon L.

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Speaker 2: Now are you?

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Speaker 7: And I've been thrilled to be able to text her

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Speaker 7: all of my questions, and for women on our audience,

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Speaker 7: if you're in your thirties and up, you know each decade,

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Speaker 7: our body goes through changes as we age, and so

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Speaker 7: I've been able to text her all of my questions

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Speaker 7: everything I'm going through. Angela and I go to Ken

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Speaker 7: Blackwell's conference and she always hosts a session there where

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Speaker 7: it's literally just grown women Speak, which is what her

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Speaker 7: book is called. And so I'm thrilled that she's launching

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Speaker 7: this podcast, so now all of you can listen to

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Speaker 7: her and hopefully. I don't know what the profile will be,

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Speaker 7: but she'll take a fewer questions, I hope, but I've

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Speaker 7: asked her more than one personal question. So please check

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Speaker 7: out the Second Opinion podcast. I think it will be

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Speaker 7: just on YouTube, and I know I plan on being

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Speaker 7: a guest on there, and I don't know if you

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Speaker 7: boys will, but maybe Angela or somebody. It'll probably mostly

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Speaker 7: be women, I imagine guests on the show. So that's

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Speaker 7: my call to action. Check out doctor Malone.

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Speaker 5: Oh.

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Speaker 7: She's also the wife of a former Attorney General, Air Colder,

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Speaker 7: speaking of voting rights.

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Speaker 2: Amazing, Yes, amazing, Andrew.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm going to take this listener question as part

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Speaker 4: of my day. Can we get to question native Land?

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Speaker 5: So grateful for y'all, especially happy to see Tiffany cross

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01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:18,400
Speaker 5: Land in a good place. They used to follow her

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Speaker 5: on MSNBC, as well as Joy Reid. I no longer

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Speaker 5: watch MSNBC since they ditched so many journalists of color

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Speaker 5: Katie Fang, Mediissan. But that's not my question. My question

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Speaker 5: concerns the no Kings protests past and present. I am

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Speaker 5: part of the ninety two percent. My mother was an

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Speaker 5: activist in this civil rights era, so resistance is in

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Speaker 5: my DNA, and I wonder as far as the no

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Speaker 5: Kings protests, should we be involved, should we be doing

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Speaker 5: more as a community, should we be doing more, and

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Speaker 5: what that more might look like. And I'm wondering what

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Speaker 5: your thoughts are on this.

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Speaker 2: Thanks.

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Speaker 4: I'll welcome quick feedback from each of you, but I'll

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Speaker 4: just say from my two cents, we don't have to

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01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:16,840
Speaker 4: make it too terribly complicated. The the the enemy has

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Speaker 4: made him so very very clear on the other side here,

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Speaker 4: and I just think we have to be whatever your

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Speaker 4: mental personal health capacity can bear, can stand.

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Speaker 3: We have to cover the zone.

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Speaker 4: We have to be everywhere, anywhere, all the time when possible,

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Speaker 4: to push back and defend for ourselves. They've they've thrown

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Speaker 4: the road map out. They they are flooding the zone,

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Speaker 4: and they want to keep us dizzy, so dizzy that

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Speaker 4: we stay unengaged and uninvolved. And I just think if

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Speaker 4: you find something that speaks to you and that your heart,

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01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:53,479
Speaker 4: mind and spirit is okay to give that you give

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Speaker 4: of your time, your energy or effort to fight back

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Speaker 4: against against this current formation of the enemy. I don't

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Speaker 4: know if you all have deep thoughts on.

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Speaker 6: Keep going to love. That's all I want to say.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we're going to keep going with calls to action.

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Speaker 3: Bakari, Yeah, I mean my call action is around de'angelo

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Speaker 3: and the black men in particular who listen to the show.

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Speaker 3: There a lot of us. Make sure you're getting your

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Speaker 3: check ups, go to the doctor, listen to your body,

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Speaker 3: Listen to your wife, your girlfriend. They're with you every day.

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Speaker 3: You know, they know when things aren't going right. You know,

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Speaker 3: if you if you still ain't getting your morning wood

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Speaker 3: in the morning or something like that. Make sure that

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Speaker 3: your your heart is pumping the way it should, and

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Speaker 3: make sure your blood is flowing the way it should,

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Speaker 3: and go see the doctor. Don't wait until your emergency room.

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Speaker 3: And I tried to go and get my and do

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Speaker 3: a colonoscopy and all those other things, and they told

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Speaker 3: me I was too young, and so I was like,

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Speaker 3: I'll pay out of pocket, you know, let me just

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Speaker 3: let me just get I want the whole work up,

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Speaker 3: head from the root to the tutor, as we say

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Speaker 3: in South Carolina. But I encourage everybody to go out

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Speaker 3: there and listen to your body, get checked up. To

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Speaker 3: black men, all of us for that matter, know somebody

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Speaker 3: know another young black man who died too early. DiAngelo

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Speaker 3: is another example of that. Again, rest in peace, condolences

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Speaker 3: to his family.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Bakari. Mine is simple.

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Speaker 1: I want you all to pay attention to what's happening

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Speaker 1: this sixtieth anniversary of the Voting Rights Act. We are

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Speaker 1: hanging on by a thread. Andrew and I interviewed with

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Speaker 1: Janay Nelson right on the other side of her oral

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Speaker 1: arguments at the Supreme Court, and I also want you

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Speaker 1: all to really go back and listen to those oral arguments.

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Speaker 1: Clarence Thomas basically indicates that he desires for Section two

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Speaker 1: to also be gutted out of the Voting Rights Act.

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Speaker 1: So please go back and listen to what Clarence is

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Speaker 1: versus Katanji because there is a difference. And on that

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Speaker 1: helpful note, I would to encourage you all to remember

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Speaker 1: that all skin folk ain't kim folk. As always, we

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Speaker 1: want to remind everyone to leave us a review and

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