1 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: All right, welcome in Late Kick is Live. 2 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 2: It is Sunday night, it is May thirty, first year 3 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 2: of our Lord, twenty twenty. We got a jam packed 4 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 2: show tonight. We have got, believe it or not, just 5 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 2: college football wall to wall. We're gonna do maybe a 6 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 2: little something different towards the end of the show. We're 7 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 2: all about access, we're all about information here and we're 8 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:33,160 Speaker 2: gonna give you a ton a wheelbarrow full of both 9 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 2: of those, and we're gonna do some other things too. 10 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 2: So I want you to remember, we've got some scheduling 11 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 2: changes coming up that really won't be scheduling changes, just 12 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 2: some few format changes for this upcoming week because it's 13 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:48,599 Speaker 2: that time of decade. I'm going on vacation, so we're 14 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 2: gonna talk some Tier one programs tonight. We're going to 15 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:54,959 Speaker 2: briefly kick it up to Anna Arburn Michigan to revisit 16 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 2: a topic that. 17 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: We started to hit on a couple of weeks ago. 18 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 2: As soon as the notification got sent out for this show, 19 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 2: one of my buddies texted me and said, you're bashing 20 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 2: Michigan again tonight. 21 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: Well, A, no, we haven't bashed in Michigan period. 22 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 2: B I would argue we're going to be fairly positive 23 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 2: towards Michigan tonight, but also realistic, so stay tuned for that. 24 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 2: And also, as I said, we don't do a lot 25 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 2: of interviews on the show, and by a lot, I 26 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 2: mean rarely ever, and tonight's not an interview show. Thursday 27 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 2: will be different for a different reason. But what I 28 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 2: am going to do tonight is I had a Power 29 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 2: five coach hit me up yesterday said hey, let me 30 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:30,479 Speaker 2: come on the show. 31 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: So we found a way to work that out. 32 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 2: And when we bring people on this show, in the 33 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 2: rare event that we do, I'm not asking them these 34 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 2: cookie cutter, surface based questions that you could hear asked anywhere. 35 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 2: I remember, back in the day when I used to 36 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 2: watch press conferences or I used to look at interviews 37 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 2: and listen to interviews, nobody would ever ask the questions 38 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 2: that I wanted to hear asked. So I always swore, 39 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 2: if I ever get a chance with these guys, I'm 40 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 2: going to ask some stuff that makes them really dive 41 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 2: deep and pull back the curtain and give you a 42 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 2: real new and never before seen look at the sport 43 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 2: that you love. 44 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: So we're gonna do a little bit of that tonight 45 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: with Mario Christobaul from Oregon. 46 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 2: We'll get to all that in due time, but let's 47 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 2: start with this tier one programs. 48 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: And what do we mean by that. 49 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 2: I mean the very very select few, and I'll list 50 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 2: them in just a second. It won't take more than 51 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 2: one breath to do. But as you saw, and as 52 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 2: we discussed Thursday night, JT. Daniels transfers from USC to 53 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 2: Georgia and that was unexpected. 54 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: I don't know. 55 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 2: If it was necessarily the biggest shockwave that's ever been 56 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 2: sent through. 57 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 1: College football, but that was a little bit unexpected. 58 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 2: And so as I detail Thursday night, if you missed it, 59 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 2: then you can watch the replay or you could watch 60 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 2: the individual video. They can both be found on the 61 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,799 Speaker 2: Late Cack with Josh Pate playlist on the twenty four 62 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 2: to seven Sports YouTube channel. There were about ninety percent 63 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 2: of Georgia Bulldog fans that had the same reaction I did. 64 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 1: Well, that's great. 65 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 2: Let's stack as many good options as we can on 66 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 2: the roster. That's how the elite programs in college football 67 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 2: do it, and then we'll just let competition sort it out. 68 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 2: And then there was the vast minority, but vocal minority. 69 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 2: Funny how that works, and the vote minority said a 70 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 2: whole lot of things I disagreed with. So basically, what 71 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 2: I wanted to do with tonight's show to lead it 72 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 2: off is I wanted to talk about how a Tier 73 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 2: one program is wired, how the elite of the elite 74 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:13,959 Speaker 2: are wired, and. 75 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 1: Why they are elite. 76 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 2: It's no mistake that the same programs just seem to 77 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,239 Speaker 2: win every year, and they seem to land the top 78 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 2: recruiting classes every year, and you would look around and 79 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 2: you would think, hmm, well, if we applied professional sports 80 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 2: logic to college sports, then just the big market teams 81 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 2: should be good. 82 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 3: Right. 83 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 2: That's not the way it works in college because different 84 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 2: dynamics are in place in college. So briefly, let's talk 85 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 2: about it. You can disagree or agree with me. 86 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 3: Here. 87 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 2: Tier one programs, I mean the best of the best 88 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 2: pretty much all factors taken into the equation. Here, I've 89 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 2: got Alabama, LSU, and Georgia from the SEC. Those are 90 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 2: the tier one programs to me in the Southeastern Conference. 91 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 2: I think there's one of them in the Big Ten 92 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 2: right now, and that's clearly Ohio State and I think 93 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 2: there's one of them in the ACC and that's obviously Clemson. 94 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 2: You could argue Oklahoma here, I did not put Oklahoma 95 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 2: in it. You could argue Oregon could approach this status 96 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 2: in their future, which they could. 97 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: I agree with you on both counts. I didn't put 98 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:09,839 Speaker 1: him in here. 99 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 2: Notice I'm not telling you that the only programs that 100 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 2: exhibit the characteristics that it takes to be elite were 101 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 2: included on this list. I'm telling you these are Tier 102 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 2: one programs. And then there may be some others out 103 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 2: there on the periphery or on their way up that 104 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 2: are also doing it the right way. They're just not 105 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 2: there quite yet. So here's what happened. What happened was JT. 106 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 2: Daniels makes his announcement and then he's headed to Georgia 107 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 2: and the minority, albeit very small minority, but the vocal 108 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 2: minority of Georgia Bulldog fans that I was talking about 109 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,359 Speaker 2: on the Thursday show, they brought up points like this, 110 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:49,160 Speaker 2: what if this upsets the quarterback room chemistry? What if 111 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 2: it upsets the psyche of quarterbacks already on the roster. 112 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 2: What does this say to Jamie Newman? We brought him 113 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 2: in from Wake Forest and now all of a sudden 114 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 2: we bring in another transfer quarterback. Maybe he'll be eligible 115 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 2: this year or maybe not. But what does it say 116 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 2: to Carson Beck brought Vandergriff guys that we have already 117 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,039 Speaker 2: on the roster or committed. What about guys who have 118 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 2: waited their turn? This is kind of something you hear 119 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 2: outside of quarterback. Just you know, if you get a 120 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:16,119 Speaker 2: transfer safety m and you got guys that have waited 121 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 2: their turn? 122 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 1: What about these guys who have waited their turn? 123 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 2: Here's what I want to tell you about Tier one programs, 124 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 2: And the first thing I want to tell you is 125 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 2: the inside of a program, the mentality there doesn't always 126 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 2: necessarily reflect. 127 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: That of every one of its fans. 128 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 2: So if you're a fan sitting on the sidewalk saying 129 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 2: these things, it doesn't mean Kirby Smart saying the same 130 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 2: thing in the Butts mayor Athletic complex in Athens, Georgia. 131 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 2: They don't have these conversations in Columbus, Ohio, or Tuscaloosa, 132 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 2: or Baton Rouge or Athens clubs in anywhere where I 133 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 2: mentioned Tier ones and beyond. As I said, this is 134 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 2: not just exclusive to a few programs. But the thing 135 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 2: about it is, as long as you look around the 136 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,479 Speaker 2: landscape of college football, and as long as there are 137 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 2: Tier one programs, you are going to be where they are. 138 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 2: If you think, like the albeit vast minority that I 139 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 2: just mentioned, think you can't worry about feelings. I know 140 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 2: this is kind of popular when you try and make 141 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 2: yourself sound intellectually superior to a room. 142 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: I don't care about feelings. I'm above feelings. 143 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 2: Well, sometimes you guys are full of it, But other times, 144 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,679 Speaker 2: as is the case right here, you better have taken 145 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 2: that into account, and that better be how you're running 146 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 2: your program. Now, here's how the Tier one programs run, 147 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,359 Speaker 2: and here's why they are where they are. Everyone's clear 148 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 2: on message, everyone's clear on goals, everyone's doing their job, 149 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 2: and everything you need is provided. We're looking at edwar 150 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 2: Orgon right now if you're watching on the YouTube channel, 151 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 2: ed Orzron just won a national championship. So he's a 152 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 2: good example to look at right here. Ed Orzron did 153 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 2: everything the way he should have done it last year. 154 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:52,359 Speaker 2: But he could do the same job, put forth the 155 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 2: same effort, and end up nine to three if he 156 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 2: wasn't given an adequate recruiting budget, if they weren't given 157 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 2: the facility they need to compete with the other Tier 158 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 2: ones in order to get folks in the door, if 159 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,720 Speaker 2: they didn't have an army of support staff in analysts, 160 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 2: the lights of which it takes to properly match the 161 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 2: army they have at Alabama or the army they have 162 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 2: at Ohio State. The point is it extends beyond just 163 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 2: the effort the guys you have in the room are 164 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 2: putting in. You've also got to have top down buy 165 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 2: in from your administration, from your donor class, from your president, 166 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 2: from your athletic director. Everyone's got to be all in. 167 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 2: And at the Tier one place is the ones I 168 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 2: just mentioned. There is no questioning of are you pulling 169 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 2: this way? When he's pulling this way, when she's pulling 170 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 2: that way. Everyone's pulling the same direction. You can't afford 171 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 2: not to, because if you're split on what the goal 172 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 2: is and what the purpose is and who's doing what job, 173 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 2: you end up like Texas has been for a little while. 174 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 2: You end up like Alabama was in the pre Sabing era. 175 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 2: All the tradition in the world, all the resources at 176 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 2: your disposal, and yet you can't get out of your 177 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 2: own way. It's not that hard the athletic departments across 178 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 2: the country where people aren't all pulling in the same direction. 179 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 2: So then we look around and we see the recruiting landscape, 180 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 2: and this is really where the rubber meets the road. 181 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 2: When you talk about how you got to keep recruiting 182 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 2: the best and you can't worry about who's on your 183 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 2: roster right now, you got to keep trying to recruit 184 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 2: over them. Well, that's exactly what the recruiting process is 185 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 2: for a Tier one program for the best. 186 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: Ryan Day, we're. 187 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 2: Looking at him right now, Kirby Smart, Nick Saban or 188 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 2: Jaron Dabos Swinney. The way that those guys do it 189 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 2: is they recruit you and they're pretty straightforward with you. 190 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 2: And I know a lot of you guys believe that 191 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 2: the way that they land these top five classes after 192 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 2: top five classes is they just go out and they 193 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 2: promise playing time and their illegal benefits and all this stuff. 194 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 2: That's not the real world. It's just not the way 195 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 2: it works. I've explained this to you a couple of 196 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 2: weeks ago. What happens with most of these programs is 197 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 2: they go out and they want to use the recruiting 198 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 2: process as a filtration process. 199 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: Here's what I mean by that. 200 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 2: If you know, as we said before, if you know 201 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 2: that there are other programs out there wired like this, 202 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 2: where they make everything ultra difficult and ultracompetitive, that by 203 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 2: default is how you have to be wired or you're 204 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 2: not going to be able to match them. How do 205 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 2: you do that in recruiting, Well, the way you do 206 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 2: it in recruiting is you walk into a kid's living 207 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 2: room and you tell them we want you, we don't 208 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 2: need you. 209 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,079 Speaker 1: We're going to win with or without you. We would 210 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: love for you to be a part of this program. 211 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 2: But there are no guarantees of playing time first off, 212 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 2: and secondly, there is no guarantee of once we land you, 213 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,319 Speaker 2: well that's pretty much it at your position for the 214 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 2: next couple of years. Because we got you, so we 215 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 2: know we're good. They're trying to recruit over you the 216 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 2: moment you sign. They want to land someone better the 217 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,199 Speaker 2: moment you sign, and they're honest with. 218 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 1: You about it. If they're running things the right way. 219 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: And here's what it's meant to do. 220 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 2: What it's meant to do is it's meant to challenge 221 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 2: you mentally, because if you're turned off by that ideology, 222 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 2: if you're turned off by the notion of them trying 223 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 2: to recruit athletes the caliber of you or even better 224 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 2: than you, then you're not the kind of player that 225 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 2: is wired mentally to compete at and get a starting 226 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 2: job at a Tier one program. Their whole philosophy is 227 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 2: they'd much rather find that out about you when you're 228 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 2: a senior in high school than two years into your 229 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 2: college career when it turns out you were not mentally 230 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 2: tough enough to make it there, but you're taking up 231 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 2: a roster spot. So in summary, that's the way that 232 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:26,959 Speaker 2: they operate at Tier one programs, and that's the way 233 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 2: you got to operate if you're ever going to match him. 234 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 2: And now you ask yourself, maybe, well, what does Oklahoma 235 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 2: have to do, because Oklahoma is a team that's been 236 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 2: in the playoff conversation, been in the playoffs, but they 237 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 2: can't seem to get over that hump. The Oklahoma problem, 238 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 2: if you want to call it that, I don't think 239 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 2: is any kind of an ideological problem. I just think 240 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:47,679 Speaker 2: that it's maybe a little bit harder to get a 241 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 2: defensive roster in place. 242 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 1: Just like that. 243 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:54,959 Speaker 2: That matches what you got to defend against. For example, LSU, 244 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 2: Alex Grinch came in there, had a grand total of 245 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 2: well less than a year and really no time to 246 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 2: put his defensive roster together, and last year's Peach Bowl 247 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:07,439 Speaker 2: was what it was. I'm not saying it only takes 248 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 2: what I just talked about. I'm saying that's the starting point. 249 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 2: That's kind of the foundation that you have to have 250 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 2: built in order to ever start climbing towards you know, 251 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 2: where these other programs hang out. Think about how close 252 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:20,559 Speaker 2: it is, even if you've got it all in line. 253 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 1: Think about Ohio State and Ryan Day. 254 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 2: They get out of the Fiesta Bowl last year and 255 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 2: get a pretty sizableid on Clemson and yet still couldn't 256 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,079 Speaker 2: put them away. You're doing all the stuff right, you're 257 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 2: doing everything right, and it's still margins. It's just fractions 258 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 2: of an inch here and there. You could beat Purdue 259 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 2: by a million points. You could beat Iowa by a 260 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 2: million points, just like Clemson could beat Wake Forest by 261 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 2: a million points. None of that really matters in the 262 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 2: grand scheme of things, because that's. 263 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 1: Not what we're talking about with them. 264 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 2: A lot of people look at maybe Clemson's recruiting efforts, 265 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,719 Speaker 2: and they say, when is enough enough? You know, you're 266 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 2: already beating everybody by a country mile in the ACC. 267 00:11:57,679 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: That's not what they're recruiting for. 268 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 2: Recruiting to beat Banama and Georgia and LSU and Oklahoma. 269 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 2: That's the kind of program they have to beat. That's 270 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 2: why when we're looking at Ohio State right now, it's 271 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 2: the same thing. It doesn't matter how wide the gap 272 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 2: is between them and the Big Ten, because there is 273 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 2: no gap between Ohio State and the three or four 274 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 2: other programs that I just mentioned in Tier one. You 275 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 2: might as well put them in their own conference because 276 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,439 Speaker 2: when the conversation about Tier one's and college football playoff 277 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:27,439 Speaker 2: and all that, when that starts, those. 278 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: Are the programs that are there. Let us move on. 279 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 2: You guys probably saw our social distance interview Brandon Marcelo 280 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 2: conducted with Jim Harbaugh. It got a lot of national run. 281 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 2: As I was editing it, or I guess I didn't 282 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 2: do the editing. Colin does the editing. As I was 283 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 2: doing the uploading, I saw what Harball had said in 284 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 2: response to Brandon Marcelo's question about how close are you 285 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 2: and I knew how it was going to be taken, 286 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 2: and I knew it was going to be taken out 287 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 2: of contact, and it was going to be SoundBite city, 288 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 2: and it was going to be hot take city much 289 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 2: everywhere outside of well here to be honest with you, 290 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 2: and it was. So the question has been bantied about 291 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:11,079 Speaker 2: all week, well how close is Michigan really and is 292 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 2: Jim Harball right? Are they really this close? Well, first off, 293 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 2: you need to understand that's not really what he said. 294 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 2: And second off, you need to understand no answer this 295 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 2: man could possibly give in an interview is good enough. 296 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: Right now, they just have to win. 297 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 2: Doesn't matter that he says, well we're angry, we haven't 298 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 2: beaten Ohio State. 299 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: Someone says, well you don't look angry, Well, why don't 300 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: you just win? 301 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 2: So there is no answer that he can give on 302 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 2: these things that appeases everyone. So he just kind of 303 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 2: talks like a robot, kind of just spits out coach 304 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 2: speaking sound bites. And that's exactly what I would do 305 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:46,439 Speaker 2: if I were in his position. That's why I'm not 306 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 2: critical of him. But there are a lot of people 307 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 2: that are telling you, Jim Harbaugh said, we are as 308 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 2: close as we possibly can be to winning a championship. 309 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 2: That's not what he said. I was in this press conference. 310 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,199 Speaker 2: This first place I learned about what Verbo was by 311 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 2: the way, the Citrus Bowl last year. Anyway, Harbaugh didn't 312 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 2: say we're as close as we can be. What he said, 313 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 2: pay close attention, friends, is we've been as close as 314 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 2: you can be. And that's not wrong. Need I take 315 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 2: you back a few years. We do have to go 316 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 2: a few years. We got to go back to like 317 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, twenty fifteen whenever. That was when they played 318 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 2: Ohio State and it's overtime and it's less than the 319 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 2: width of this piece of papers, difference between first down 320 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 2: and ballgame. Well, if they win that game, I mean 321 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 2: they're in the playoff. And that was a year where 322 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 2: it was going to be very reasonable to expect them 323 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 2: to possibly win a national championship. Point being, he said, 324 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 2: we've been there. We have gotten to the point where 325 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 2: we were as close as we could be. 326 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: And he's right. 327 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 2: There's the Clemson syndrome though, And so I went on 328 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 2: the Michigan Insider dot com message board and so our 329 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 2: Michigan twenty four to seven side, and I was looking 330 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 2: at this is what I was really interested in. I 331 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 2: wanted to know how were Michigan fans taking what he said, And. 332 00:14:58,920 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: They took it pretty well. 333 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 2: They're a very reasonable group of people for the most part, 334 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 2: and they understand what the situation is there for the 335 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 2: most part, and a lot of them said what I 336 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 2: just said, Well, you know, he's right, it just maybe 337 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 2: feels like we've drifted further away. 338 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: And I don't disagree with you there. Now I agree 339 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 1: with you wholeheartedly there. 340 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 2: But I saw Brandon actually speak of the double popped 341 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 2: in on that thread, and he made the Clemson Dabbos 342 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 2: Swinny comparison. 343 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: And just as we've made. 344 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 2: This one on the show several times about recently Penn State, 345 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 2: you could make it about Michigan too. 346 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: We make the American Ninja. 347 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 2: Warrior reference, where you're watching these people compete in this 348 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 2: ridiculous event, and they got this playground for adults set 349 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 2: up in this obstacle course, and every so often they 350 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 2: make people try and jump and grab the monkey bars 351 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 2: and if you miss, you fall twenty feet into a 352 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 2: pool or into a ball pit or whatever they have 353 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 2: under you. But the thing about it is those people 354 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 2: are strong enough. By default, they got on a show 355 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 2: called America Ninja Warriors, so they're strong enough to where 356 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 2: if they jump and they finally grab the monkey bars, 357 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 2: they're strong enough to pull themselves up. What you're waiting 358 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 2: on with a program like Michigan, just as you used 359 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 2: to be waiting down in Clemson for your program, You're 360 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 2: waiting on what it's going to take for us to 361 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 2: jump and finally grab onto the monkey bars. Because Clemson 362 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 2: was jumping pretty high for a little while, but they 363 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 2: were falling flat. You know, they win the conference, but 364 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 2: then they get crushed in the Orange Bowl. They look good, 365 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 2: they look like a double digit win team, but they 366 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 2: can't get over the Florida State hump. And they couldn't 367 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 2: do it. You remember that term clemsoning. They couldn't do it. 368 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 2: That was the perception until they did it. I was 369 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 2: asking last week could Penn State eventually be that? I 370 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 2: think there are a lot of commonalities. It's not a 371 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 2: mirror image, but there's some common traits between what Penn 372 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 2: State's been, where they are right now with James Franklin, 373 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 2: and where Clemson and Davos Swiney were in collectively four 374 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 2: years into his tenure, Well, could we make that assertion 375 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 2: about where Jim Harbaugh is with Michigan. I don't think 376 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,399 Speaker 2: it's the craziest concept in the world, but here's the 377 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 2: bottom line, whether we agree with it or not. If 378 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 2: you're just entertaining me for a second for argument's sake, 379 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 2: if you're a Michigan fan, what I'd be yelling right 380 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 2: now is Okay, Well, let's talk about your stupid monkey 381 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 2: bar analogy. How do we jump up there and how 382 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:20,360 Speaker 2: do we grab the monkey bars? It's a good question. Ironically, 383 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 2: that's where I was going to go next. I'm glad 384 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 2: you guys asked two things. Everyone goes to the offense, 385 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 2: and that's obvious, and I'll go there in a second. However, 386 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:32,479 Speaker 2: when you've watched Michigan have these highly rated defenses, there 387 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 2: have been a couple of times where I've watched them 388 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 2: go into the Ohio State game, for example, with from 389 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 2: a reputation standpoint, a pretty solid defensive unit, and athletically 390 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 2: they get overmatched and they kind of look like this 391 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 2: against Alabama at times in the Citrus Bowl. I don't 392 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 2: always like drawing conclusions away from bowl games, but in 393 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 2: the regular season this has happened with Ohio State a 394 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 2: couple of times. I know some of you have been 395 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:57,880 Speaker 2: very critical of Don Brown. And as much as people 396 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,919 Speaker 2: are talking about Michigan offensively, there's there's been some people 397 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 2: I know them because I talk to them all the 398 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 2: time that have said, you know who, I have some 399 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 2: doubts about about being able to compete at the highest 400 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 2: level unless they overhaul something conceptually. And that's Don Brown. 401 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 2: I'm just parroting what I hear. But we do talk 402 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 2: about offense, and we do talk about offense with Michigan, 403 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 2: and that's kind of where I go back to, like 404 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 2: getting a superstar quarterback in there. You got a five 405 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 2: star committed right now, So maybe that's the answer. But 406 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:27,159 Speaker 2: I always go back, because you know how much I 407 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 2: rely on metaphors on this show. 408 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: I always go back to knowing. 409 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 2: Regardless of whether you have the formula the blueprint, there 410 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 2: is no formula out there that allows you to just 411 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 2: grow a tree in a day, no matter how much 412 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:44,360 Speaker 2: you focus on it, no matter how hard you work 413 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 2: at it, how many great decisions you make, there is 414 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 2: no formula that lets you grow a tree in a day. 415 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 2: But there is a formula that lants you plant the 416 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 2: proper seed and then focus on it, care for it, 417 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 2: and have patience, which is the rarest commodity in the 418 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,880 Speaker 2: world of college football, and eventually you get what you want. 419 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 2: My point there is, Josh Gaddis has been in town 420 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 2: a year. How do we know that that's not. 421 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: The right seed and we just have to wait a 422 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: little while for it to bear fruit. 423 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 2: Josh Gaddis came in there, and everybody thinks that because 424 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 2: Joe Brady came into LSU and did it overnight, that 425 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 2: if you've hired the right guy, he'll do it overnight. 426 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 1: And that's not the case, Joe Brady. 427 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 2: Let me put it to you like this, if Jim 428 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 2: Harbaugh had hired Joe Brady last year, I don't think 429 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 2: Michigan's offensive output would have come close to being in 430 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 2: the same galaxy as what Joe Brady did at LSU. 431 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: Why is that? 432 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 2: Well, I think the R word is pretty important here, 433 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 2: and that's roster. So part one is get the right 434 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 2: guy in there. I'm not telling you definitively Gaddis is. 435 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 2: I think you have to have confidence that Jim Harbaugh 436 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 2: made the right decision. B Josh Gaddis wasn't a fifteen 437 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 2: year offensive coordinator. There could be some learning on the 438 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 2: job he has to do. But see, even if he 439 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,360 Speaker 2: was ready the moment he stepped on campus, you got 440 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 2: to have the ingredient in the kitchen. 441 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: They haven't had the ingredients in the kitchen. Now. Early 442 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:05,159 Speaker 1: returns on last year. 443 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 2: And especially this year's recruiting cycle indicate that they're in 444 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 2: it for some of those ingredients. Those ingredients, of course, 445 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 2: being elite high school athletes, got to go get them. 446 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 2: They're in it for several receivers. Couple in California. I've 447 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 2: been keeping my eye on quarterbacks already at least verbally committed. 448 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 2: So hopefully these are some early returns. But the thing 449 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 2: about it is you're not finding out overnight. And I 450 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 2: know that's a tough pill to swallow when you're already 451 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 2: this many years into a head coach's tenure. As I said, 452 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 2: patients the rarest commodity in the world. And the bad 453 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 2: thing about patients, as Tennessee fans have found out, is 454 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 2: sometimes when you exhibit patients, you're still not guaranteed to 455 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 2: have a positive return on your investment. 456 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 1: That was in a nutshell, the butch Jones era in Tennessee. 457 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,959 Speaker 1: So I can't guarantee having patience is going to pay 458 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: off either. I can just guarantee you that it's probably 459 00:20:58,840 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 1: percentage wise. 460 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,880 Speaker 2: A better of all timeternative. Then you know, just marching 461 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 2: on the Athletic complex with torches and pitchforks if you 462 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 2: don't go to the. 463 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: Playoff this year. 464 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 2: All right, As I led the show off, I told you, 465 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 2: and I've kind of told you this before, our general 466 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 2: philosophy on Lake Kick is we don't spend a whole 467 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 2: lot of time obviously on wardrobe. We don't dress the 468 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 2: show up with fancy graphics. In fact, we believe that 469 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,880 Speaker 2: you have left a lot of programming that exhibits those 470 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 2: sorts of characteristics for the more alternative media, stripped down 471 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 2: version that instead capitalizes on offering you two things, information 472 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 2: and access. 473 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:38,639 Speaker 1: I listen to you, guys. 474 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 2: You give me the best free market research that money 475 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 2: can't buy, and that is your actual opinion. 476 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,400 Speaker 1: What do you want to watch? What do you want 477 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: to listen to? 478 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 2: And over and over and over again, in varying degrees, 479 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 2: you tell me, give me access, give me stuff no 480 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 2: one else gives me, and give me information. I want 481 00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 2: to be able to see behind the scenes, and I 482 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 2: want something that dives deeper than just hot takes. 483 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:03,400 Speaker 1: Here and there. 484 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 2: Let's fly above the sport at thirty thousand feet and 485 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 2: just kind of look down on it. I want you 486 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 2: to be in it, and I want you to bring 487 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:11,679 Speaker 2: me into it with you as much as you can. 488 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:15,160 Speaker 2: So I'm going on vacation this upcoming week, which will 489 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 2: make sense in a second as to how it relates 490 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 2: to this. Mario Christabaal got in touch with me Friday 491 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 2: after we had talked about Oregon Thursday, and basically he said, Hey, I'm. 492 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,160 Speaker 1: Coming on the show. Make it happen. So we made 493 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:26,679 Speaker 1: it happen. 494 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 2: Now a lot of what I'm about to show you 495 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 2: is going to air on the Thursday night edition. Here's 496 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 2: the format for the Thursday show. I'm going to be 497 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,120 Speaker 2: on a beach somewhere. So the Thursday show is going 498 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 2: to be part mail bag, so get as many questions 499 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 2: as you can into me, and then it's going to 500 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 2: be part our sit down interview with Oregon head coach 501 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 2: Mario Christibal And I know some of you are turned 502 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 2: off by interviews, but let me just caution you, it's 503 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 2: not your typical interview. 504 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: I'm about to give you a taste of it. In 505 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: a second. 506 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 2: We go really really deep on stuff that's going to 507 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 2: interest you. If you're an Oregon fan, it's going to 508 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 2: fascinate you. Don't care if you're a North Carolina fan 509 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 2: or a Baylor fan. You're going to watch him. And 510 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:06,919 Speaker 2: I swear to you, I've watched this stuff for a 511 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 2: long time. I've never heard a head coach talking to 512 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 2: me or anyone else go as deep on as many 513 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 2: topics as Mario Christabal did with us. The entirety of 514 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 2: that interview is coming Thursday, but tonight I wanted to 515 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 2: give you a little sneak peek of it. So one 516 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,919 Speaker 2: of the things I always used to wonder about is 517 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:28,399 Speaker 2: the hiring process. When coaches interview for jobs, all you 518 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:32,160 Speaker 2: ever read about is a headline that says he interviewed, 519 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 2: and then he either was extended an offer or they 520 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,680 Speaker 2: went in a different direction. But you never get to 521 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 2: be a fly on the wall. You never get to 522 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 2: sit down there in the room and listen to the 523 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 2: hours upon hours of really in the weeds, granular football 524 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 2: type questions. Even knowing it probably would confuse you, you'd 525 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 2: still be fascinated by it. So I told Mario Christibal, 526 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 2: you just hired Joe Moorehead, for example, as your offensive coordinator, which, 527 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 2: by the way, is a very much overlooked higher that 528 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,640 Speaker 2: is going to directly impact college football this upcoming year. 529 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 2: But I digress. We can talk about that later, I 530 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 2: asked Mario Cristabaal. In fact, you're gonna hear me ask 531 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 2: the question, take us in depth, take us behind the curtain. 532 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,439 Speaker 2: Talk as long as you want to. What is it 533 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 2: like to hire a coach as a head coach at 534 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 2: a Power five program? Colin roll the table. Let me 535 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,640 Speaker 2: ask you a question that I don't really hear talked 536 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 2: about much. There are coaches that go all over the 537 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 2: place every year, there's overturn on your roster virtually every year. 538 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: But all we ever read is a headline. 539 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,880 Speaker 2: That, for instance, Mario christaball and Oregon they've hired Joe 540 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 2: Moorehead as new offensive coordinator. But you never get to 541 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 2: be a fly on the wall in the interview process, 542 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 2: probably because it's in the weeds and ninety nine percent 543 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,120 Speaker 2: of us wouldn't understand what's being said. But yet it's 544 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,880 Speaker 2: still fascinating, Like I don't know calculus, but I watch 545 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 2: calculus get taught and it spends my head, but I'm 546 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 2: still fascinated by it. When you're interviewing someone for a 547 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 2: role like offensive coordinator, this is going to directly impact 548 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 2: several games for you next year one way or the other. 549 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 2: What is an example or are some examples of really 550 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 2: specific questions you ask and really specific things that you 551 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 2: have a guy get into from the granular football level. 552 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:14,120 Speaker 3: I like to credit coach Mangini with the New York Jets, 553 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,400 Speaker 3: who obviously work for coach Belichick back in the day, 554 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 3: and you're looking at me, going, how does this even 555 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 3: come into the conversation? They come into the conversation because 556 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 3: in two thousand and five to six, I was offered 557 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 3: an interview opportunity with the New York Jets as a 558 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,160 Speaker 3: tight ends coach, and I went up thinking, this will 559 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 3: be an hour or so whatnot, and we'll just share information, 560 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 3: talk a little ball, and No, that was an eight 561 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 3: to nine hour process where we talked football, but we 562 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 3: demonstrated football. We scouted tape, the tape of the team 563 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 3: and the players that I coach, and then the team 564 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 3: and the players that I maybe would have an opportunity 565 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 3: to coach. I was given scouting film and asked to 566 00:25:54,400 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 3: evaluate in detail balanced body control, acceleration, deceleration, toughness, quickness, Hey, 567 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 3: you name it, hips, body stiffness, toughness, motor. I was 568 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:11,400 Speaker 3: asked to demonstrate the introduction of a concept in front 569 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 3: of an entire room full of coaches and administrators. I 570 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 3: was asked to sit in on a meeting and digest 571 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 3: the concept and then be able to regurgitate it. I 572 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,439 Speaker 3: was asked to stand up and demonstrate the technique and 573 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 3: fundamentals as it related to a block or release, an escape, 574 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 3: catching a football high point of football or red zone 575 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 3: ball versus you know, a contested you know, tight slant ball. 576 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 3: It was an relentless process. So I'm sorry to you know, 577 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 3: divert into that, but that's what led to our process 578 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,399 Speaker 3: which we first used at FIU. We were able to 579 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 3: hire really great coordinators, like like Scott Saderfield, you know, 580 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 3: who end up being a member of our staff back 581 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 3: in the day. So when we bring in somebody, it's 582 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,400 Speaker 3: it's the ultimate I would say litmus tests in terms 583 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 3: of character, knowledge presence. We do it first as an 584 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 3: entire organization, have everybody sit in because we want everybody 585 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 3: to get a feel, because wherever we hire right can 586 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 3: determine the fortunes of the entire organization. So I do 587 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 3: want people to have a feel, and I trust a 588 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,160 Speaker 3: lot of people to come with me. I don't want 589 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 3: people in an organization to be afraid to give me 590 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:25,439 Speaker 3: information on how they feel about things. But whatever is 591 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 3: presented by that coordinator has to match the film that 592 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 3: they're talking about, right, because it's easy to talk about well, 593 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 3: you know, hey, we you know, I believe in explosive 594 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 3: plays and go in tempo and making sure that we 595 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 3: run by people. Okay, well, this clip of tape shows 596 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 3: it's forty two or nothing in the third quarter. That's 597 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,679 Speaker 3: what you don't want. And when you start, when you 598 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 3: start putting someone and let them present their craft, number 599 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,640 Speaker 3: one is you want to see how well do they 600 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 3: own their craft? Does that information does the way he teaches? 601 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 3: Does it just roll off his tongue naturally? Right? You 602 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,360 Speaker 3: also want to gauge their presence, you know, ask them 603 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,120 Speaker 3: to teach us. If you're a freshman, I'm a freshman, 604 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 3: you teach me. I don't know you know anything from 605 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 3: Adam's House Cat to say, coach Saban's on line right, 606 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 3: and have them teach and go into it. And then 607 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 3: once you get into it they feel comfortable, then start 608 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 3: throwing issues at them and have them respond, well, all right, 609 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 3: what do they bring corner fire? You know you're running 610 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 3: into an unblocked corner, yet you don't have something attached 611 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:28,679 Speaker 3: on the backside to get rid of the football. How 612 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 3: do you deal with that? And let them get into 613 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,160 Speaker 3: the way they you know, resolve things, because it's great 614 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 3: they own their their craft. But let's see them handle 615 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 3: sudden chain, so to speak. Right, Let's see them handle adversity. 616 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 3: Let's see them make an adjustment and are they going 617 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 3: to get caught up and maybe sutter into it and 618 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 3: try to talk the way around there or do they 619 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 3: have a solution on the spot what they can roll 620 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 3: with it. Certainly want them around everybody in the building, 621 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 3: the recruiting staff, the operations staff, academic staff, want to 622 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 3: share thoughts on academics, philosophies, on dealing with young men 623 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 3: and their families. How it's we just treat everybody that 624 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 3: comes into building, whether it's an intern, someone that's voluntarily 625 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 3: working for us coordinator. It's a really rigorous process because 626 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 3: every higher matters, every single higher matters. And you know, 627 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 3: we don't claim to be, you know, the over all people, 628 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 3: but we work extremely hard at it and we take 629 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 3: a great amount of pride in the fact that we 630 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 3: know for a fact that we have the best people 631 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 3: in the industry. 632 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: So big thanks, Tomorrio christ Ball. 633 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 2: We're going to air that entire interview, pretty much, that 634 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 2: entire interview on the Thursday show. It's really good. It's 635 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 2: like thirty plus minutes. We talked over an hour. We're 636 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 2: going to trim it down to about thirty plus minutes 637 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 2: of that. That extensive detail, that deep a dive, and 638 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 2: that's the kind of interview if we're talking to a 639 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 2: head coach, that's the kind of information we want to 640 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 2: get out of them. You can go elsewhere for the 641 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 2: surface y QTE type stuf and I know that's a 642 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 2: lot more in depth, and that's a lot more nuanced, 643 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 2: and it doesn't appeal to a mass audience. But that's 644 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 2: okay because I think I know our audience pretty well 645 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 2: and I think that's the kind of stuff that you want, 646 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 2: and it's stuff that I know you're not hearing pretty 647 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 2: much anywhere else. Because let me let you in a 648 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 2: little secret, not a lot of folks really know what 649 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 2: you guys are truly interested in. So I at least 650 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 2: am smart enough to listen to you and know that's 651 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 2: the kind of stuff you're interested in. But we are 652 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 2: going to air that entire interview Thursday night with Mario Cristabaul. 653 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 2: So that's really really good stuff. I wanted to get 654 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 2: to this question and remind you of something in the process. 655 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 2: As I told you, when we do our Late Kick 656 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 2: Extra podcast that airs Wednesday, we record it Tuesday. Well, 657 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,719 Speaker 2: here's a little programming note. Since I'm going on vacation, 658 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 2: I'm recording this week's Late Kick Extra podcast, which will 659 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 2: air on Wednesday. I'm recording it early in the morning 660 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 2: or maybe even tonight. So if you want to get 661 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 2: your comments on there, I suggest you do so very quickly. 662 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 2: You can do it a few different ways, Twitter, direct messages, 663 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,959 Speaker 2: you can email me Josh at seven zero six at 664 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 2: gmail dot com. You can see the pen comment right 665 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 2: below the video if you're watching on YouTube, and you 666 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 2: can reply to that comment or the most advantageous way. 667 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 2: And we're about to reward Johnny fifty two for doing 668 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 2: this is go to specifically on iTunes the comment section, 669 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 2: give us a five star review, and write a written review. 670 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 2: Include your question in that written review. It's the most 671 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 2: surefire way to get our attention. I read every question, 672 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 2: but those get prioritized cause those really help us out 673 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 2: the most. So, for example, Johnny Z excuse me, Johnny 674 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 2: Z fifty two right here in the Apple podcast review section, 675 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 2: love the show. I read all this, but then he 676 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 2: gets to the question. With springball being canceled, less practice 677 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 2: before the season starts, offensive production might be down to start. 678 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 2: This is a pretty widely held expection or expectation I think. 679 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 1: Right now in the world of college football. 680 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 2: If scoring is down, I can see the season having 681 00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,959 Speaker 2: a bunch of retro low scoring SEC games. If so, 682 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 2: do you think the team with the best defense will 683 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 2: win the SEC? Georgia has the best returning defense, does 684 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 2: that give them an advantage? That being said, Georgia has 685 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 2: the biggest question mark for offense out of anybody in 686 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 2: the playoff conversation, but everyone has question marks due to 687 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 2: lack of reps. 688 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: Style of play will probably not look. 689 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 2: Like the SEC of the past, but I could see 690 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 2: a lack of production. This is an interesting concept. Here's 691 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 2: what I think it'll be. I think it'll be an 692 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 2: evolving situation. What I mean by that is it's not 693 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 2: all that uncommon for, even in a normal season, far 694 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 2: more games to be lost than they are one in 695 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 2: the first couple of weeks of college football calendar, if. 696 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 1: You look around. 697 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 2: That's always been one of our big axioms on this show, 698 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 2: long before we got to twenty four to seven, is 699 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 2: find the situation where a team is more likely to 700 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 2: lose a game. How many new pieces do they have, 701 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 2: how many question marks do they have, where are the 702 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 2: new coordinators at, how many new concepts have been installed here? 703 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 2: And how many places that fit those parameters? Are also 704 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 2: putting a critical mass of young players on the field. 705 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 2: And then find those teams, and find those teams playing 706 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 2: veteran experienced teams with a lot of cohesion and synergy 707 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 2: and a lot coming back in terms of philosophy, And 708 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 2: that could be a situation not always the case, but 709 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 2: it could be a situation where a. 710 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 1: Team just doesn't lose a game. 711 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 2: Well, now you throw all these factors into account, and 712 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 2: what I believe is gonna happen is what you said. 713 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 2: Defense will probably rule the Day in some parts of 714 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 2: the country early on. But the thing about Georgia is, 715 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 2: let's look at their schedule and in week three, when 716 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 2: they I believe that's when they open conference play, they 717 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 2: go on the road to Alabama. 718 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 1: Where's what Alabama has. 719 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 2: Alabama's got a quarterback coming back, even though they lose Tua. 720 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 2: They got a guy in Matt Jones that has already played. 721 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 2: He started the Auburn game, he started the Michigan game, 722 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 2: and he's got the pretty much the exact same offensive 723 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 2: line he played behind. They got a loaded stable of 724 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 2: running backs, Guys like DeVante Smith and Jalen Waddle are 725 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 2: back from that loaded wide receiver corps, and he's got 726 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 2: the same coordinator in Steve Sarkeesian. So you wonder that 727 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 2: was already going to be a good matchup. But you 728 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 2: wonder when Georgia goes in there in week three, do 729 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 2: they have that big advantage that the twenty twenty college 730 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,840 Speaker 2: football year has given a lot of defensive oriented teams. 731 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 1: Do they have that against Alabama? 732 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 2: Because the thing about Georgia in the East is you 733 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 2: look at them heads up with Florida right now, and 734 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 2: you could make the argument I saw a couple of 735 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,359 Speaker 2: people do this today. You can make the argument that 736 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 2: I think Georgia is the better team, but maybe I 737 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 2: think Florida is more likely to win the East. And 738 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 2: anyone who says that is either thinking Florida's going to 739 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 2: beat him heads up. 740 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,440 Speaker 1: I don't know how that logic would work. You think 741 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,400 Speaker 1: george is better, but you like Florida to win on 742 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,280 Speaker 1: a neutral field. But I digress. Your opinion, not mine. 743 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:44,279 Speaker 1: More than likely though. 744 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 2: What you're thinking is maybe Georgia beats Florida, but maybe 745 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:52,359 Speaker 2: Georgia loses two conference games, you know, maybe they lose 746 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,839 Speaker 2: to Auburn and Alabama, whereas Florida gets LSU at home 747 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 2: and they play Old Miss from the West. It's not 748 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 2: out of the realm possibility. I guess it could happen. 749 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:02,719 Speaker 2: But yeah, Johnny, I do think that that is a 750 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,319 Speaker 2: reasonable question to at least ask. All Right, again, a 751 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 2: quick reminder, Thursday Night show gonna be a little bit different. 752 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,280 Speaker 2: You'll probably see me not in this studio but instead 753 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 2: in my home studio, which the powers to be at 754 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 2: CBS were ever so nice to ship me on short notice. 755 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 2: So we're gonna talk to Mario christbaul A whole lot 756 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 2: more and I'm gonna get some Q and A, probably 757 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 2: the ones I can't get to in the lake Kick 758 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,400 Speaker 2: Extra podcast. So subscribe to the twenty four seven Sports 759 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 2: YouTube channel if you haven't already. 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