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Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature feature production of I Heart Radio. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology

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Speaker 1: and evolutionary biology, and today on the show, we're talking

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Speaker 1: about Swiss cheese trees and the strange animals whose stories

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Speaker 1: are full of holes. Big triple phobia warning for this episode,

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Speaker 1: especially if your name is Pinocchio and you're made out

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Speaker 1: of wood. From hidden delicacies within rotting logs to nutty

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Speaker 1: drama to the story of a parasites parasite, we're looking

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Speaker 1: at what happens when the giving tree gives you nausea.

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Speaker 1: Discover this more as we answer the age old question

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Speaker 1: would you eat living tree noodles? Joining me today on

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Speaker 1: this Woody Journey is co host of the Ethnically Ambiguous podcast, writer,

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Speaker 1: director and friend of the show, Sharene Lanny Yunas. Welcome

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Speaker 1: at me tree, Thanks for having me. Is that your

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Speaker 1: impression of a tree getting eaten alive? Yeah? That's that

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Speaker 1: it's like the voice in a Who Framed Roger Rabbit

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Speaker 1: when he gets like flattened or whatever. Oh yeah, we're

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Speaker 1: like they put the little shoe in the acid. That

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Speaker 1: was a children's movie. Yeah, that's we Obviously it scarred me.

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Speaker 1: I'm still thinking about it when I'm two. So yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: so we are talking about the the horrible desecration of wood.

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Speaker 1: To be fair, not all of these animals harm trees,

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Speaker 1: but they do very strange things to the trees. And

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Speaker 1: so I am serious when I say that if you

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Speaker 1: have triple phobia, this may not be the episode for you.

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Speaker 1: There are and certainly, like I, I do include some

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Speaker 1: images in the show notes, and I would definitely warn

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Speaker 1: I think that it is really interesting that you look

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Speaker 1: at a tree and you think of sort of the

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Speaker 1: normal way that it supports life, like maybe a bird's

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Speaker 1: nest and its branches, and like little caterpillars munching on

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Speaker 1: inside of wood, which uh, you know is not a

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Speaker 1: phrase I would have thought I would say this morning,

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Speaker 1: but here I am saying it. Yeah. I love trees.

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Speaker 1: I love everything they do. Hot take hot take trees.

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Speaker 1: you should go hug it um. But yeah, I didn't

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Speaker 1: I just kind of woke up like maybe twenty minutes ago.

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Speaker 1: But I'm really happy to be here today and I

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Speaker 1: if you if you have it, or like, if you

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Speaker 1: You know you're representative your holes? Good exactly because I

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Speaker 1: nothing to be afraid of. They are apparently actually delicious.

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Speaker 1: Where do they grow so? Or where are these things? So?

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Speaker 1: the clam. So it's similar to how termites work. Termites

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Speaker 1: And the problem with trying to eat live wood, even

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Speaker 1: And but then they're like, hey, look at look at

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Speaker 1: we talked about acorns, like I want to try an acorn.

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00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 1: Are acorns edible too? They are? But it requires preparations.

424
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 1: So this is something that was done actually by the

425
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 1: people who first lived here before Europeans came and colonized,

426
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 1: which basically you have to because two acorns have um,

427
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 1: they're toxic if you just eat the bra But you

428
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: can make basically acorn meal and you can boil I

429
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 1: think you boil out the more um acidic toxins out

430
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: of the acorn, and then you can grind them up

431
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: into an acorn meal. And this was actually used um

432
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 1: as sort of a staple food often in a lot

433
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 1: of civilizations in early America. M M, that sounds tasty.

434
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: I want to try some acorn meal. I mean completely serious.

435
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 1: Just make sure it's cooked. Don't go and eat raw acorns,

436
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 1: because you'll get a stomach ache. You know. I'm glad

437
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: you said that, because you never know if I was

438
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: a hike one day and be like, oh, that was

439
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: the time to try this acorn um. No, I I've

440
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: enjoyed this segment. I thank you. I'm glad I know

441
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,439
Speaker 1: about this now. Well, you know, you probably if you

442
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: did try to eat when you learn pretty quick that

443
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: it's not something you can just eat raw like that. UM.

444
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: They actually have a very better taste. It's well when

445
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: you crack it. You can crack open. If you find

446
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: an acorn on the ground, you can definitely explore inside

447
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: the acorn. You can crack it open. You'll find the meat.

448
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 1: If you're lucky, you'll find a grub actually inside. Sometimes

449
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: an acorn will have a little hole and a grub

450
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: will come in and eat that meat. Um. Which for

451
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: a woodpecker, if some of their acorns get eaten by grubs,

452
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: that's fine, they just eat the grubs. Um. For a human, arguably,

453
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: it's still fine. You can just eat that grub. But uh,

454
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: the meat is actually very bit it's soft. And I

455
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: know this because my grandparents used to live in Ohi, California,

456
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: where there's a ton of oak trees in their backyard

457
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: which is covered absolutely covered in oak trees and um acorns,

458
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: and I would collect a bunch as a kid, and

459
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: of course I was curious, and of course I had

460
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: to try eating one. And I tried it. It was

461
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: terrible tasting. So you definitely need to prepare these the

462
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: acorn before you actually eat it. Okay, okay, I'll keep

463
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: that in mind. Also, glad you're not dead, you acorn. Yeah,

464
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: it's a surprise to me as well. There are so

465
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: many things that look back on and I'm just like,

466
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: how am I still here? But I'm glad that in

467
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: my opinion, as I was scrolling through this document in

468
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: the beginning, that what I thought was the worst image

469
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: is now not so bad because of this cubby woodpecker deal.

470
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: So I appreciate that. Thank you. I'm I'm glad. Sometimes

471
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: knowledge is all, It's all it takes to turn a

472
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: nightmare into an adorable woodland story. However, there is still

473
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: some some drama with these woodpeckers because they form these

474
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: like cohesive units, these family units. Off in the offspring

475
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: will stay and help with rear the chicks and stuff.

476
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: You have this group of woodpeckers and they're able to

477
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: defend that granary pretty well. But what happens when one

478
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: of the woodpeckers dies or this woodpecker group destabilizes is

479
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: you start to get a bunch of interlopers who rush in.

480
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: There can be something like other species of birds like

481
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: scrub jays come flock over to try to steal as

482
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: many acorns as they can while that group of woodpeckers

483
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:14,239
Speaker 1: is in disarray. But you also have uh members of

484
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: the same species, other acorn woodpeckers who come in either

485
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: to spectate. So there are these woodpeckers who are not

486
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: necessarily ready to try to find a nest site, but

487
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: they still just come to kind of be looky lose,

488
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: which is really interesting. They will fly for many miles

489
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: just to see, like, hey, is what's going on here?

490
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: And they watch like they're watching a TV show, like

491
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: a drama. Um. But in addition to them, there are

492
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: these warrior warrior woodpeckers who have come to actually try

493
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: to fight for a vacant breeding spot in this group.

494
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,239
Speaker 1: So it is quite quite a drama, and it's just

495
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: so funny to imagine all these birds are you and

496
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: you have these thieves from another species trying to steal

497
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: the acorn, and then other acorn woodpeckers fighting and bickering

498
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: over who gets to take the empty nest spot, and

499
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: then these other woodpeckers just sitting on the sidelines eating

500
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: a little like tiny tub of popcorn or something going

501
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: like you know, like huh, I never knew ryl like

502
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: had quite the strong clause. Just that is so freaking fascinating.

503
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: I that is just like the acorn wars or honestly,

504
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: don't tell anyone about this idea, but I think this

505
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: is a great Pixar movie. Right, Let's work on this

506
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: Pixar movie. Absolutely right. I've generated so much free content

507
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: for Pixar. I'm shocked I have not received a check

508
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: in the mail from them, honestly. But yeah, I mean

509
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:58,719
Speaker 1: it is begging to be a movie. Yeah, there's like

510
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: so many frack factions, fractions. There's so there's so many

511
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: factions of like these birds and these like motivations, and

512
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: like the fact that they all have their own personalities,

513
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: whether it's like the spectator or like with the people

514
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: that want to become the people the birds that want

515
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: to become warriors. I just think it's what an interesting

516
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: little species species. Yeah, it's I mean it makes me

517
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: feel like where when humans watch trash TV, because I

518
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: mean everybody loves a little bit of trash TV, myself included,

519
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: whether it's rubber necking that's what they call it when

520
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: you're like even on the freeway. Yeah, yeah, exactly, whether

521
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,479
Speaker 1: you love to watch a soap opera or reality TV.

522
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: At least it's not just us. It's also woodpeckers m

523
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: not so different. They're just like us, Like the Star magazine.

524
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna talk about I mean, we just talked

525
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: about woodpecker drama, but this is this is like some

526
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: drama layered upon drama, like some kind of drama sandwich

527
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 1: or drama like parfait. It's it's layers and layers here,

528
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: and it is what happens when a parasite is itself

529
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: victimized by another parasite. So there is something called a

530
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: goal wasp, and these are wasps that they may not

531
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: actually look like a wasp to us, because when when

532
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: we think of a wasp, we think of the black

533
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: and yellow sort of you know, menacing looking stinging things.

534
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: But these are actually kind of chunky. They're black with

535
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: these red legs, so they don't really look like a

536
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,720
Speaker 1: wasp um and they're not really threatening. They don't believe

537
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: they really sting um. And the only case in which

538
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 1: you should be afraid of these wasps are if you

539
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 1: are an oak tree, a maple tree, a rose bush,

540
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: or basically any kind of plant unlucky enough to make

541
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 1: this gall wasp uh look you up and down and

542
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: decide to be an unwelcome guest. Nice I am looking

543
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 1: at the It's like a little chunky guy. You're right, yeah,

544
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:48,439
Speaker 1: chunky chunkster. Yeah. Interesting, I didn't know that that thing existed, said,

545
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 1: I don't believe it stings humans, but it does. It

546
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: is a menace to plants and trees. Have you ever

547
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 1: seen on an oak tree something that looks like this

548
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 1: year ball like a growth tree or yeah, it's like maybe, yeah,

549
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,760
Speaker 1: I can imagine that. Yeah, I mean there's a photo

550
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: there for you. It just based. It just looks sort

551
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: of like a like a ball growing on branch and

552
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: like little yeah, and you were called galls. They're called galls,

553
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: and you only find them like occasionally, and they're sort

554
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: of bizarre because I remember seeing these as a kid

555
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: growing up, of course with my weird interactions with oak trees,

556
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: and like picking one and being like thinking it was

557
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: like some kind of fruit, but when you open it up,

558
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 1: what you're going to find it's actually some wasp larvae.

559
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: So the wasp, the gall wasp will lay their eggs

560
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 1: inside the flesh of the plant and induce the plant

561
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: to form a gall, which is usually it's kind of

562
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 1: like a hollow plant pearl. You know how oysters will

563
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,800
Speaker 1: form a pearl from an irritation, like a little piece

564
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: of sand or maybe a pair or a site and

565
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: form this protective coating around it. Plants seem to do

566
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,800
Speaker 1: the same thing, so it is a spherical growth that

567
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: can happen on the branches, on the leaves, on the roots,

568
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: even flower buds, and it's this like round kind of

569
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: growth thing, or sometimes like if it's on a leaf,

570
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: it's a little flatter, so it looks more like a

571
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:26,720
Speaker 1: like a doughnut or something, or a cheerio um. But uh,

572
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: it's growing around this implanted egg or these implanted eggs

573
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:36,720
Speaker 1: that the wasps leave. And how the wasp actually makes

574
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: the plant create this growth is not entirely well understood.

575
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: There's some theories that's maybe either a chemical or physical

576
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: trigger that like makes the plant react defensively. But this

577
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 1: defense is actually working in the favor of the wasp

578
00:37:56,000 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 1: larva because as this thing grows around little larva, it

579
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: not only provides protection to the larva, but inside that

580
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: ball is going to be some fleshy meat of the

581
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: plant that the larva can feed on as it develops.

582
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 1: So it basically tricks the plant or the tree to

583
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: grow a crib for the larva, and the cribs walls

584
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,720
Speaker 1: are just lined with food and so it can happily

585
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 1: eat inside the skull be really safe and cozy. Uh

586
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: inside this ball that you'll find on something like an

587
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: oak tree. That is so fascinating. That is so fascinating.

588
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: I mean for my first instinct, I'm sorry, but I

589
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 1: was like, this is like the balls of the tree.

590
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 1: But it's so much more than that. Yeah, what a

591
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 1: what a weird I mean yeah, used the things trees

592
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 1: do never see. Like, there's just so many things that

593
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: people probably are not aware of. And honestly, the little

594
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: gall wasp, it's a pretty cute guy. If they're just

595
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: trying to start a family. They are, they are. I

596
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: find them cute. I think they're kind of like chunky

597
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: and bumbly looking. Yeah, they're like fuzzy little guy. There's

598
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: this little guys. Unfortunately, even though this plan is pretty

599
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 1: good in terms of protecting the gall wasp larva, and

600
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 1: then like once they metamorphosized into adults, they will bore

601
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: a whole out of the gall and emerge well nourished

602
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: and safe. Sometimes the best plans go awry, and that

603
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 1: is when your your parasitic Uh, your parasitic plans are

604
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 1: interrupted by another parasite. So there is something called the

605
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 1: crypt keeper wasp which has a creepy name. Uh, it

606
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: doesn't look that creepy, but its behavior is definitely definitely

607
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 1: sus Uh. So the crypt keeper wasp is found in

608
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: the US, and it is an iridescent green and blue

609
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: wasp that it doesn't look that menacing, and it's really

610
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: not if you're a human. It's got these fuffy antenna

611
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: and they don't really typically sting people. Um, I mean,

612
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: it's beautiful. It is genuinely maybe the prettiest insect I've

613
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: seen in my life. It's so like, yeah, you're indescent

614
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: and the color is just straight out of euphor you. Yeah,

615
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:26,879
Speaker 1: it's it's got it's definitely an aesthetic and it look

616
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: it looks like a little insect fairy. It looks kind

617
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: of dainty with these little funny antenna. It is not

618
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: it is not by any means menacing, menacing or grotesque looking.

619
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: Their behavior though, it's not about what you look like

620
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: on the outside, it's what's on the inside and inside

621
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: these are creepy little fiends. So, uh, the crypt keeper

622
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: wasp will find the galls of the gall wasp. Those

623
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: those little cribs. Basically that the gall lops have tricked

624
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: the plant into forming these cocoons made out of plant material,

625
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 1: and they will bore a little hole in them and

626
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: lay it's larva inside. So now you've got two larva

627
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 1: inside this gall. You have the gall lost larva and

628
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: the crypt keeper wasp larva. And that's just the beginning

629
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: of it, because it gets seriously weird. The crypt keeper

630
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: larva bites down onto the gal lop larva and somehow

631
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: mind controls it to start metamorphosizing into an adult ahead

632
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: of schedule and start burrowing out of the gall early.

633
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 1: But what happens is, because it has hijacked at the

634
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: gal wasps normal metamorphosis, it actually turns into this weird

635
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,320
Speaker 1: thing where it's like burrows a hole that's too small

636
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,800
Speaker 1: for it, so it can only squeeze its head out,

637
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:03,240
Speaker 1: and then it gets duck. And then what the crypt

638
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 1: keeper lava does is starts eating the goal wasp from

639
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: the butt up to the head. So the head is

640
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: protecting the crypt keeper larva by blocking this entrance that

641
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: the crypt keeper has forced this goal wasp to make,

642
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: and so it gets to eat the rest of its

643
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: body it's like, you know the thing where like remember

644
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: when Pooh Bear gets stuck in in that hole. It's

645
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: like it's like if piglets started eating Pooh Bear from

646
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 1: the butt up and just leaving his head as like

647
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: a door. That is so unsettling. I take back everything

648
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 1: I said about this beautiful insect. That is so unsettling,

649
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: that is so just left up. I cannot get over that.

650
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: That's I mean, I know animals and insects do crazy things.

651
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: I totally understand, but like that is demented. Mm hmm.

652
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 1: It's like it's insidious. Yeah, it's mean. I just like

653
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: to imagine you scolding this little wasp out now, just

654
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: like like shaking your finger and it's like, stop being mean.

655
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: You're being mean. Yeah it is, but it is objectively

656
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: just a little bit mean and really really left up.

657
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 1: It's rude. It's rude. It's it's a very uh, it's

658
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 1: a party foul, it's a it's an evil little guys.

659
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 1: It's just brewing. It's like it's it's it's seed where

660
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: it's not welcome, eating what's already there, and then just

661
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 1: like making like I don't know, it's just it's all

662
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: very strategic, manipulative, and like, I guess, is there another

663
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 1: way for this creep crypt keeper wasp to spawn or

664
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: is this like, like, is there a motivation for doing

665
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,760
Speaker 1: it this way versus another way? Yeah, so the motivation

666
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: is I mean, it's very machiavellian. It's it not only

667
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 1: gets to have a free home, right, it deposits as

668
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: larva somewhere where it's safe. The larva also gets extra nutrition.

669
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: And by making the goal wasp chew its way out

670
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: of the goal, uh, it increases the chance of the

671
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 1: crypt keeper's survival because that it takes effort to board

672
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,760
Speaker 1: its way out of this this goal. So crypt keepers

673
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 1: who don't uh somehow they don't do that mind control

674
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 1: and don't make the gal wasp drill its own drill

675
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: the exit for it actually have a lower chance of survival.

676
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: And when they are when they do metamorphosize and they

677
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: are ready to to emerge, they just chew through the

678
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: head and pop about the Yeah it's not it's snarly.

679
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: It's snarly. The mind control thing is is wild to me. Wait, so,

680
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: like so in most cases they just leave the head there, Well,

681
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: they leave the head there while they're still chilling out

682
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: inside of the gall, like eating the eating the flesh

683
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: of both the both the gall wasp and also the

684
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: probably I think they also eat the inside of the

685
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: gall so they're um, just just hanging having a good time,

686
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: being a weird little freak. And then they they leave

687
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 1: the head there while they're still inside, because that is

688
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 1: protect that's basically acting as a door. It's protecting them

689
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: from other intruders. So yes, it's pretty you know, it's

690
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: pretty insidious. That is mean and evil, and the gall

691
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 1: laws was so cute and these be sad that it

692
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: has these like predators that are technically part of the

693
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 1: same little family but are mind controlling and eating them

694
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: from them. But up they're just trying to do their thing.

695
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 1: Like is really being that uh offensive or like in

696
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: this crypt keeper wasps way. Yeah, I mean I'm always

697
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:21,879
Speaker 1: with the underdog, yeah, even if the upper dog, upper dog,

698
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: even if the other side is so beautiful, yeah, the

699
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: upper dog. Yeah. I do think this would also make

700
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: a good like kind of like a high school movie,

701
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,399
Speaker 1: you know, where you have the pretty popular upper dog

702
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: wasp and then maybe the sort of maybe not as

703
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: glitzy and shiny, but adorable in her own way wasp

704
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: and then she just gets eaten by the uh by

705
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,399
Speaker 1: the popular Tina Wasp. It's like our tim Burton. It's

706
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 1: like our Timberton version of a Pixar movie. Like, yeah,

707
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 1: to be kind of dark and weird. Um, but I

708
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 1: think we can make it happen. Yeah. I would like

709
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: to see like a high school team musical but they

710
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: eat each other like like sort of cannibalize. You know,

711
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: I wouldn't I that was I don't actually want to

712
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: see that now that I'm thinking about it. I mean,

713
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: but it is really fascinating. I had no idea that

714
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 1: animals or not. I guess they're insects, but like they

715
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: mind controlling thing is still kind of tripping me out.

716
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 1: It's yeah, yeah know, it's really bizarre, and I don't

717
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: think they know exactly what they're how they're doing it.

718
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: My guests, my my guests. That will probably have to

719
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: put my foot in my mouth for later, but it

720
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: I think it's probably some kind of chemical that the

721
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: the crypt keeper parasite. It's actually technically a parasitoid, not

722
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,399
Speaker 1: a parasite, because like a parasite will live off its

723
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: host over long periods of time, whereas a parasitoid actually

724
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: will devour its host eventually like kill it. So the

725
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: but anyways, back to what I was saying is I

726
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 1: bet what it's doing is like excreting some chemical that

727
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: stimulates some kind of like hormone production inside the gall wasp,

728
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 1: causing that premature development, which also causes it to prematurely

729
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 1: try to bore out of the gall. But because it's premature,

730
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: it's unable to get all the way out. The whole

731
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,240
Speaker 1: size isn't quite right, and so it's like it sounds

732
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: like there's it's it's just it's just so weird. Though

733
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,800
Speaker 1: to me, it blows my mind as well that something

734
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: can like I mean, obviously each individual crypt keeper is

735
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 1: not figuring this out on its own, but that evolution

736
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 1: can have such a twisted, twisted pathway to create such

737
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: a devious parasite. But we we see it happen over

738
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: and over again. Yeah, like to hijack another intersects like

739
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 1: growth cycle or you know what I mean that is

740
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: that is yeah, can't get over that as baffled, Well,

741
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:08,280
Speaker 1: I think, uh, I think we have thoroughly freaked out Sharine.

742
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:13,839
Speaker 1: But before we go, I do need to answer an

743
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 1: important question, and that's guests Who's squawking? Every week we

744
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: play the guests who squawking Mystery Animal sound game. I

745
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 1: will play an animal sound and you guys out there, uh,

746
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 1: we'll try to guess who is making that sound last

747
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: week's mystery animal sound. Uh. So, first let's find out

748
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 1: the answer to last week's mysteries sound. The hint was

749
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: this is what happens when you get a little too

750
00:49:44,719 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 1: nosy with this group. Yeah, so sharene, do you have

751
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 1: any guesses for who's squawking? That's there's a lot going

752
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: on in that soundclip. I I don't even know. It

753
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: sounded a little bit like a donkey. At times, it

754
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:26,399
Speaker 1: sounded a little bit like a bird that was getting squished. Yeah.

755
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 1: I I have a feeling it's going to not be

756
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: as simple as as a donkey or as a a bird. Um.

757
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: But squawking does make me feel like it has to

758
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:36,919
Speaker 1: be a bird. But it doesn't have to be a bird.

759
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 1: That's why the game is called right. Yeah, no, it

760
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: does not have to be a bird. It can be

761
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: basically any any living animal on the planet, any living organism. Um. Yeah,

762
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: so the donkey guest is very good you actually share

763
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: that guest with my guest on the podcast last week.

764
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,800
Speaker 1: I think it's a really good guess. I will be honest,

765
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,439
Speaker 1: if I had to try to guess this, I don't

766
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 1: think I would get it. So um, but uh, this

767
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:11,879
Speaker 1: is actually a troop of proboscis monkeys. So oh, that's

768
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 1: what it is. And I was a second guess. You

769
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 1: should have You should have gone with that. You should

770
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 1: have gone with that one. I know I was on

771
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: the tip of your tongue. Congratulations to everyone who gets

772
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 1: correctly in the through fastest were of course our resident

773
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 1: champion antib and Saga E and China s. Good job,

774
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 1: you guys, really impressive. So Proboscis monkeys are old world

775
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:44,280
Speaker 1: monkeys found in Borneo. They have a really distinctive look.

776
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: They have these pot bellies is sort of like flat,

777
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:51,760
Speaker 1: almost comb overlooking hairstyle of orange fur. They have these

778
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: pink faces and for the males they have this really long,

779
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 1: floppy nose. It do you know, like I think I've

780
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 1: seen you were Like the image that you're conjuring up

781
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 1: is bringing up an image that you remember, like Ziggy,

782
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 1: that old newspaper comic. Uh. Like there's also like the

783
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 1: kilroy was here thing with that little character with the

784
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: big like um big nose or like in Popeye cartoons.

785
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,359
Speaker 1: I think there's like another one. It looks like that

786
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: like Carton. Yeah, like that cartoon, um big nose. Like

787
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: that's like looks like if you kind of like had

788
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 1: sort of a half half filled water balloon and like

789
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: it's like squid words nose. I'm sorry I didn't reach

790
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:41,760
Speaker 1: for the obvious thing. It's a squid word nose. So, um,

791
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 1: this is the proboscis. Uh. It's called a proboscis. You

792
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: can call it a nose. Um. So it's only in

793
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,359
Speaker 1: the males that they have the squid word nose. And

794
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 1: it's because the females find it hot. They think it's

795
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 1: really attractive. They're able to produce louder calls with this

796
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 1: bigger roboscis uh, and so females really enjoy that. And yeah,

797
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: they're they're highly vocal. They will make numerous vocalizations communicating

798
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 1: with each other. So what you heard in this clip

799
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 1: was like a whole bunch of them. And so those

800
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 1: weird like honking, grunting noises were probably coming from the

801
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 1: males with their big floppy squidward noises. Interesting, that is

802
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:32,280
Speaker 1: very fascinating. Uh wow, another Pixar movie. I think, yeah,

803
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 1: everything is a Pixtar movie. Um, then you forget that

804
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: like movies are based on real life and not that

805
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 1: like real life is her mind. I'm getting to two

806
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:46,320
Speaker 1: in my head here. I think maybe these these monkeys

807
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 1: were designed by someone out of cal arts. That makes sense. Yeah,

808
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: So onto this week's mystery animal. Sound. Here is the hint.

809
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: It's sounds like an adorable squeaking mouse, except it has

810
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: way too many legs to be a mouse. Sharene who

811
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 1: do you think it's squawking? Here? I do not know.

812
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,240
Speaker 1: It has to be has to have more than four legs.

813
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 1: So I was thinking it's an insect potentially, or I mean,

814
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 1: I can't be an octopus. I imagine octopus and everything

815
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:45,320
Speaker 1: else that have legs under the ocean maybe aren't audible.

816
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 1: Um maybe I'm wrong? Who knows? Um wow? I yeah,

817
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:54,800
Speaker 1: I kind of want to say it's like a cicada.

818
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 1: Looking it's not a cicada. It's not that noise, but

819
00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:59,360
Speaker 1: I kind of think it's like this, like a cricket,

820
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 1: like and act or something. And if not, what kind

821
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 1: of animal has more than four legs. I feel dumb.

822
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 1: I feel like it's going to be so obvious. Well,

823
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 1: these are very good guesses. I'll give you that, So

824
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 1: don't feel dumb. Yeah, and it's either like an insect

825
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 1: or like a starfish or but it's not a starfish.

826
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 1: I know it's not a starfish. But yeah, I'm gonna

827
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 1: say it's like a weird insect thing that pops up

828
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 1: in the springtime or something. You know. Well, that is

829
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 1: a very good guess. Uh. I will reveal the answer

830
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: to this week's gives hoo squawking on next creature feature

831
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:41,320
Speaker 1: next Wednesday. So sharing, thank you so much for joining

832
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: me today and for enduring the weird, grizzly things that

833
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 1: happened to these trees. Yeah, I I feel better than

834
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:58,439
Speaker 1: I did an hour ago. Um, I'm glad we got

835
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 1: through it. I feel like I learned a lot. You know,

836
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: there's a lot of fascinating stuff that trees do that

837
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 1: I had no idea about. So I appreciate you talking

838
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 1: to me through them. Yeah, you learned a lot. You

839
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: made some some new friends with these gossipy woodpeckers. Um,

840
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 1: where can people find you? You can find me on

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Speaker 1: the internet if you wish, I'm on Twitter at shiro

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Speaker 1: I just released another poetry book. If you guys want that,

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Speaker 1: I think I don't know if I'm still going on anyway,

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Speaker 1: I'm i'm a I'm around just if you just look

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Speaker 1: me up. You don't have to like it, but you

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Speaker 1: do have to. Actually, I'm I'm laying down the law.

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Speaker 1: You must lick her up. There will be consequences if

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Speaker 1: you don't. Of course, if you think you know who's

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Speaker 1: squawkings this week, or if you want to write to

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Speaker 1: me a question, a comment, picture of your pet, you

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Speaker 1: can write a Creature feature pot at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 1: I'm also on the internet at Creature Feature Pod on

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening. If you're enjoying the

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Speaker 1: show and you leave a rating or review, I read

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Speaker 1: all the reviews. I tape them up all over my walls,

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Speaker 1: like I think from that movie The Shining or something. Anyways,

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Speaker 1: I I do love reading the reviews, so I really

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Speaker 1: appreciate it whenever someone takes the time to leave one.

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Speaker 1: song excel Alumina. Creature features a production of I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: what where have you listened to your favorite podcast, even

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Speaker 1: if it's like inside a rotting log I don't judge you.

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Speaker 1: See you next Wednesday.