WEBVTT - Patriots Catch-22 1/18: Reaction to Jerod Mayo's Introductory Press Conference, NFL Draft Talk 0:00:03.680 --> 0:00:07.000 This is the Patriots Catch twenty two Podcasts with Evan 0:00:07.080 --> 0:00:08.480 Lazar and Alex Barth. 0:00:10.480 --> 0:00:14.360 Lazar, Hello, everybody nailed it, joined us always buy our Bara. 0:00:17.880 --> 0:00:20.919 Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bar You want to 0:00:20.960 --> 0:00:24.040 talk about uncharted territory? You want to talk about the 0:00:24.040 --> 0:00:27.880 Great Unknown? Yeah, New England Patriots fans, We're in it. 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:33.480 Welcome to the Great Unknown. 0:00:32.080 --> 0:00:35.320 Welcome to the Great Unknown. As sorry, I am Evan Lazar, 0:00:35.400 --> 0:00:40.960 Alex Barth. Patriots Catch twenty two. Just a weird, weird 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:45.240 day Yesterday, Alex. Weird day, weird week, weird week, weird tie. 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:47.919 It hasn't really we haven't been on the air on 0:00:47.960 --> 0:00:53.120 this particular show since the news broke that the Patriots 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:56.720 are higher Drod Mayo. I think we were on when 0:00:56.800 --> 0:00:59.760 when they mutually parted ways is the. 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:01.320 Yeah, we were on that afternoon. 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:04.120 Yeah, so we were on that afternoon for that, and 0:01:04.360 --> 0:01:06.720 but we haven't been on since they named Gerrod Mayo 0:01:07.319 --> 0:01:10.200 as the head coach. So we both have opinions on that. 0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:15.360 But I want to start with yesterday because I feel 0:01:15.400 --> 0:01:17.360 like everybody, you know, it's kind of a good thing. 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:21.479 I guess that we weren't on right away because I've 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:24.520 it's allowed it to like sort of seep in, right. 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:27.160 You know, I think immediate reaction shows are always tough 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:29.640 because we're all just trying to figure out what the 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:32.720 heck is going on. Now we've had some time to 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:35.920 let the dust settle, to let this soak in. That 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:37.840 Gerd Mayo is the head coach of the team. And 0:01:38.240 --> 0:01:41.000 my my takeaway from yesterday, First of all, if you 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:46.600 were expecting some whiteboard PowerPoint presentation of how Girard Mayo 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:49.600 was going to fix the New England Patriots yesterday, I 0:01:49.680 --> 0:01:52.240 understand that all of us, so Alex and I included, 0:01:52.680 --> 0:01:57.200 are new to this whole introductory press conference thing when 0:01:57.200 --> 0:02:00.000 it comes to a head coach. But that's not how 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:04.040 those things work. Okay, Like they talking and coach speak, 0:02:04.160 --> 0:02:08.760 owners speak, big picture, very very You're not gonna get 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:11.720 a ton of information out of those types of things. 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:14.120 And if that was your expectation that they were going 0:02:14.200 --> 0:02:16.720 to tell you who the offensive coordinator was going to 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:18.400 be and who was going to have final say in 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:20.920 the personnel decisions, and this that the other thing, and 0:02:21.000 --> 0:02:24.440 this was not the the environment for that. With that 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:27.639 being said, you study Shakespeare at all, as a kid, 0:02:28.720 --> 0:02:31.880 don't you know, Like I wasn't like a huge Shakespeare guy, 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:33.960 but the one, the one. 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:36.359 Really you struck me. He's quite the poet of it. 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:43.120 No, well Shakespeare, he's not a poet. Shakespeare, I'm not 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:45.800 a big shit there's there's not. 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:48.200 All about that. Do you think I just said I 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:50.320 don't remember anything about Shakespeare from. 0:02:50.240 --> 0:02:52.560 Yeah, Shakespeare wrote plays out. 0:02:55.040 --> 0:02:58.720 William Shakespeare was an English playwright, poet, and actor. Yeah, 0:02:58.720 --> 0:03:01.320 I'm not calling him a boom all right, fine, just 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:04.000 like his official biography disagrees on Google. 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:08.240 Yeah that Wikipedia real good source. Anyways, this is not 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:11.399 the point. It's not the like uh Britannic or whatever. 0:03:11.440 --> 0:03:13.120 It is the bit like the big book, the one 0:03:13.120 --> 0:03:15.880 that has all the big book with all the facts. Yeah, okay, 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:17.440 let me let me finish my nal. 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:23.240 Shakespeare X William Evan Lazar, William Shakespeare. I wasn't grinding 0:03:23.280 --> 0:03:24.320 tape and William Shakespeare. 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:25.919 Can you just let me finish the point? 0:03:26.200 --> 0:03:27.680 Geez done, go ahead. 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:31.440 So I I I'm not a big Shakespeare guy. But 0:03:31.440 --> 0:03:34.840 but Julius Caesar was like the one guy that fascinated me. 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:38.000 You know, that's a real guy and not just like something. 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:42.920 Shakespeare, But I I found I discovered Julius Caesar from Shakespeare. 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:44.240 I discovered him from salads. 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:51.120 Oh god, okay, So I I discovered him. I'm into 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:56.160 you know, maybe it's like the devil on the shoulder 0:03:56.360 --> 0:03:59.760 and in me right that I'm into, like you know, 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:03.920 tyrants and warlords and things like that. It interests me, okay. 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:08.960 And so I look into Caesar a little bit figure out, 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:12.240 and you're not like the Gladiator version, like the actual 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:15.960 versions of what went down and things like that. And 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:20.919 I can't help but thinking that in this situation, Bill 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:26.360 Belichick was Julius Caesar. We walked into that GP Atrium, 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:29.520 very nice space, by the way, very nice space, company man, 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:35.960 very nice space. And the only person that had anything 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:38.240 to do with the twenty twenty three Patriots that wasn't 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:40.520 in the room was Bill Belichick. You had, the front 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:44.560 office was all there, Drod Mayo's all there, ownerships there, 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:50.120 everybody is there except Bill. And we were told, and 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:55.880 I think this did happen, that there was a autopsy 0:04:56.000 --> 0:05:01.680 done about football operations from basically post Germany on, like 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:05.360 after the Germany game on of what went wrong? How 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:06.160 did we get here? 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:06.440 You know? 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:08.960 What are the biggest issues with the team? That how 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:13.640 are we four and thirteen? Right? And this autopsy went 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:17.640 on and the conclusion and the boss man Fred always says, 0:05:17.680 --> 0:05:20.560 you know, look at what they do, not what they say. Right, 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:25.360 the conclusion was Bill was the problem. And I don't 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:27.359 know how you can really take it from any place 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:30.000 else other than that. Well, and I used the Caesar 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:36.520 comp because at two Jerrod right like it just it 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:39.279 feels to me like Bill's a problem. Now with that 0:05:39.400 --> 0:05:42.920 being said, they know a lot more about the situation 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:45.360 than we do. When I say they, I mean mister 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:49.200 Kraft and people craft in the buildings and actually talk 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:51.960 to these people and things like that. But we talked 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:53.800 about this last night off the air a little bit. 0:05:54.360 --> 0:05:57.120 Bill was the fall guy, and it's interesting to me 0:05:57.200 --> 0:06:00.960 that that's how it went down, because that doesn't always 0:06:01.000 --> 0:06:03.200 happen in life, right, Like if you come at the King, 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:05.800 you best not miss right right well, And that's how 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:07.800 this all went down. And I can't help but think 0:06:07.839 --> 0:06:11.440 that when macro and Elliott Wolfe and Cameron Williams and 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:14.200 the entire front office walks in and Gerrodd's up on 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:18.039 the stage and ownerships here it's like, okay, so you 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:22.400 really thought that the biggest problem was built, so you 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:24.760 cut the head off at the snake, head of the 0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:28.360 snake off, right, and now everything's going to be different. 0:06:28.400 --> 0:06:32.040 And I there's reasons to believe that. I'm not saying 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:34.560 it as in like they're wrong. I'm just saying that's 0:06:34.600 --> 0:06:37.800 what they're telling us, what their actions is what they 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:38.720 feel was the case. 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:41.040 So I want to get into things will be different thing, 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:42.560 because I think that was a big theme for me 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:46.440 yesterday on your take. Look, they went four and thirteen. 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:50.880 Something clearly wasn't working. Everybody knew that there was always 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:53.440 going to be a fall guy or fall guys. We 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:56.680 had conversations off the air, Evan about who we thought 0:06:56.720 --> 0:06:59.680 that would be. I don't think at one point we 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:02.800 put Bill as the fall guy. And to what you're saying, 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:06.720 either they thought that or that's what they want to 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:09.440 that's what that's how they want to present it, even 0:07:09.480 --> 0:07:11.760 if it wasn't true. And at a certain point you're 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:15.800 splitting hairs there, but they are, whether it's because they 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:18.040 believe it or whether it's because it's a convenient narrative 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:20.880 because he's not here anymore. They're putting it on Bill. 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:25.240 They're one putting it on Bill, and it's it's an 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:28.360 interesting route to take. Man, it's a very interesting route 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:32.040 to take because if it doesn't work out, I mean, 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:34.840 people are already frustrated. Now you move on from the 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:36.760 and Robert did call him the greatest coach of all 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:38.840 time here say it wasn't in the other week, Like 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:42.320 it's not about it wasn't exactly a roast of Bill Belichick. 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:45.400 But you know, if it doesn't go great, it looks 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:47.080 like he kicked the greatest coach of all time out 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:48.360 the door, and he gave him, you know, a couple 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:50.720 extra kicks as he was going. If it does work, 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:53.600 Robert Craft looks like a genius. Rights like a massive, 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:54.360 massive genius. 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:57.120 So the buzzwords that we heard yesterday are all the 0:07:57.120 --> 0:08:00.360 words that we we thought we would hear. I think, 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:07.400 you know, collaboration, yeah, building relationships with this generation, repairingship 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:09.280 and repairing other relationships. 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:11.960 Echo chambers, right, not being an echo chamber. 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:14.400 So I think the biggest thing that I took away 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:17.680 from that all of that was that the echo chamber 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:19.960 thing I think was big. I think that a lot 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:24.520 of people within the organization feel that they couldn't speak 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:26.800 their mind or their mind wasn't hurt or whatever the 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:32.920 case may be. And the other thing was the relationships 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:35.800 with the current generation of players, Like, how do you 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:38.920 not take that as a shot across the bow of 0:08:38.920 --> 0:08:41.200 the seventy one year old coach that you just walked. 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:43.240 On who By the way, Ian rapporters reporting will have 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:45.320 a second interview with the Falcons this weekend. 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:47.080 Yeah, we can get to that. That seems like the 0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:51.280 only chair at this point left for Bill Belichick. And 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:55.000 the last one was it does feel like they want 0:08:55.040 --> 0:08:57.640 to kind of innovate the way that they do things 0:08:58.160 --> 0:09:01.280 in the front office. And this is sort of a 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:03.440 bigger thing that I want to unpack in terms of 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:06.080 what's going on with the front office. But those three 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:10.560 things really line up to culture, Like they feel like 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:14.800 the culture needed to change. They feel like the today's 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:19.920 generation of athlete doesn't respond to the culture that Bill 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:22.760 Belichick laid out. You know, the hard nose. I hate 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:25.360 to call it militaristic because it's that I don't like 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:28.160 using comparing things to the military, but you know that 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:34.160 sort of of look and we'll see, like we'll see 0:09:34.200 --> 0:09:37.559 if this is the right approach. I liked Drawd a lot. 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:40.880 I think a lot of players we spoke to on 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:44.120 the record, Juwan Bentley, Jonathan Jones yesterday, I spoke to 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:45.920 some of the guys off to the side as well 0:09:45.960 --> 0:09:48.840 that were there, and everybody's really excited. You know. The 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:52.719 word Juwan Bentley used multiple times as hype, like I'm 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:55.560 hype for this. The right guy got the job. I 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:58.920 think there's a lot of energy in that room yesterday 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:02.320 about this move and about Girod Mayo taking over. But 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:07.120 the people around Girod Mayo are going to be just 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:09.520 as important as his ability to be a head coach. 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:12.920 Like who's his offensive coordinator? We still don't know right 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:16.240 who's his defensive coordinator. We still don't know who's the 0:10:16.280 --> 0:10:18.280 one that has final say in the front office. We 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:21.000 still don't know who's actually calling the shots behind the 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:23.800 scenes for this football team right now, we really don't know. 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:27.560 And that's going to ultimately decide the fate of Girod 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:31.199 Mayo's regime as the Patriots head coach is all of 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:33.760 those other people around him, And then probably most importantly 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:37.960 out of all those things is obviously the quarterback and 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:41.080 Girod Mayo had an interview yesterday with Steve Burton. I 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:44.720 know some people have taken it differently than me personally. 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:47.040 When he says that he's going to take a player 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:50.160 at the most important position, you put the pieces together. 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:52.480 I don't know how else to put those pieces together 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:55.320 other than they're taking a quarterback at three overall. But 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:57.800 we'll get to that as well. Eight five to five, 0:10:57.800 --> 0:11:01.000 Pats five hundred is the phone number. Radio at Patriots 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:05.120 dot com is the email address. This show is always 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:09.080 about like the nitty gritty x's and o's of this 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:12.280 football team. So I kind of I hate this type 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:15.520 of stuff, I really do. I hate the politics, the 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:18.600 palace coups like I know that there's a lot of 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:21.480 people that eat that stuff up. I wish that we 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:24.559 could be talking about draft prospects and offseasons. So if 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:26.080 you want to get into that as well, you can 0:11:26.080 --> 0:11:27.960 give us a call and we'll certainly talk a little 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:29.839 bit about that. But I want to say something that's 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:33.040 gonna that's gonna piss you off, Alex about about the 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:36.440 front office. And I want to say this, and then 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:40.199 we'll start taking some calls and whatnot. But the thing 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:41.680 that I think is gonna piss you off about the 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:46.320 front office. Uh, from everything that I've gathered and put together, 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:53.599 I think that the front office feels like the Patriots 0:11:53.640 --> 0:11:57.400 are dinosaurs with the way that they scout players. They 0:11:57.480 --> 0:12:04.240 feel like Bill prioritized I test connections in the college 0:12:04.240 --> 0:12:08.240 football world, yeah, which is a big one, and old 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:15.960 school Stopwatch Pro Day combine numbers, interviews, that sort of stuff, 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:21.400 and the way of the world now is different. The 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:24.360 I'm not going to use the A word because that's 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:27.120 really going to piss you off. Player tracking data. 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:28.440 I don't know how many times I'll tell you this, 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:32.000 I have no problem with, Like x player runs twenty 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:34.560 two miles an hour. That's a tangible number. I'm okay 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:36.920 with that. Okay, just don't start getting me things over 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:40.200 expected or just random combinations of four letters that don't 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:41.040 actually mean anything. 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:46.400 So the Patriots analytics department, Yes, there I said the 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:52.720 magic word. The Patriots analytics department, compared to the other 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:56.160 teams that are now succeeding at a high level in 0:12:56.200 --> 0:13:03.319 the NFL, is a minuscule in terms of size, right, 0:13:03.360 --> 0:13:06.720 like they It's tiny, and not only is it not 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:10.280 a big group of people, that are actually running analytics 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:14.559 for this football team. They were not very heard by 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:19.280 the guy making the final say so, I think in 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:21.760 a lot of ways, the Patriots front office feels that 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:27.040 they are going to update, innovate whatever you want to 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:31.079 use their scouting methods. And I saw a clip the 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:33.880 other day. I almost shared it, but not better of it. 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:37.520 Uh this the Los Angeles Rams were in their their 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:41.319 draft room talking about Puka Nakua before they were about 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:44.360 to make the pick, and less Need, their general manager, 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:46.760 was talking to Sean McVay and and Sean McVay was 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:48.520 talking about it like, oh, we can use them like 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:50.120 this that the other you know, the exit and O 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:53.640 is the eye test, right, and less Need was saying 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:59.400 that if you sort Puku Nakua among the wide receivers 0:13:59.440 --> 0:14:03.199 in this draft by actual game speed, right, We're talking 0:14:03.240 --> 0:14:06.280 like next gen player tracking data, not what he ran 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:08.480 in the forty yard dash at his pro day, but 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:13.560 actual in game with pads on guys chasing him game speed. 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:17.120 That Puku Nakua was one of the fastest receivers in 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:21.560 this class in actual gameplay. And you see what happened. 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:23.280 You know, he had one of the best rookie seasons 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:25.080 for a wide receiver in the history of the NFL. 0:14:25.880 --> 0:14:28.760 So that's just one example, but I think that's a 0:14:28.760 --> 0:14:31.280 big direction that this team is going to try to 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:35.040 go in as well. And I think drawd Mayo's expertise, 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:38.800 his business background at Optum, you know, things like that, 0:14:38.920 --> 0:14:41.560 I think that he's into that sort of thing as well. So, 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:45.120 for better or worse, whether you like it or not, 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:47.800 the analytics I think are going to be a bigger 0:14:47.840 --> 0:14:51.680 part of their scouting portfolio moving forward. There's always going 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:54.200 to be a place in both you and I believe strongly, Yeah, 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:56.080 in the eye test, Like you still have to watch 0:14:56.120 --> 0:14:58.160 these guys on film. We're not talking that they're going 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:01.240 to draft people off hapreadraft good players, but they I 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:03.040 think what the goal and let me have you. 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:04.400 Got to talk to them and make sure and Mayo 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:06.600 talked about this Tyesday, you're drafting good people too, Like 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:07.960 that's a big part of it. 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:10.400 I think the goal of this is, though, is that 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:13.400 they're gonna be drafting good football players based off of 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:18.560 actual football, tangible football evidence, and not what he runs 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:20.800 in a forty and a spandexit at the. 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:23.200 Combine that and that's why what I know, you thought 0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:24.880 you're gonna piss me off. That's why it doesn't because 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:27.640 you use that word tangible. Yeah, it registers that a 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:30.240 guy runs you know this many miles an hour or 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:34.160 you know acceleration. How you know, how quickly does he 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:36.520 get up to top speed? I would even argue more, Evan. 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:39.280 You know my thing about the forty that nobody knows 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:42.640 the practical application of the forty. The whole reason the 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:47.120 forty was added was because at the time, the average 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:50.800 punt traveled forty yards and they wanted to make sure 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:52.760 that you could get down the field in time to 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:55.480 cover a punt. That's why it's a fort Like why 0:15:55.520 --> 0:15:57.480 not a thirty yard dash? Why not a fifty yard dash? 0:15:57.480 --> 0:15:59.560 Why is it that? That's what the whole point of 0:15:59.600 --> 0:16:01.320 that is. See, you can go cover a punt, right, 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:04.560 that's it. So, yes, doesn't measure how fast a player is. 0:16:05.120 --> 0:16:07.320 There's numbers within that, Evan, I know you're big on this. 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:10.360 The ten yard splits, yeah, right, where burst off the 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:12.400 line is? Right? How fast you get out of your stands? 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:14.320 How fast you really get going for a linement? Alignment? 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:16.680 Might run like a five to one, but if his 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:18.480 first ten second is pretty good, it's like, all right, 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:20.920 that guy's explosive getting out of his stance, which is 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:23.640 what you want. I've always wanted them to run the 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:26.640 forty out of three point stance, not the sprinter stance, 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:29.120 because it's more relevant. But I have no problem with 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:33.440 tangible information. Don't give me expected over this or dvoa that. 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:39.000 If we're talking. If we're talking is like yards, Look 0:16:39.040 --> 0:16:42.240 it's a result. Look, it's not like we're not projecting forward. 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:45.080 We're talking about a stat that is that is tangible. 0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:47.240 I don't know because what's the formula. 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:49.440 Oh you have to scaring. Chat's my point. 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:51.520 And look, Aaron shatz sharre in high school grads. So 0:16:51.520 --> 0:16:53.520 I don't want to knock them. I don't, and there's 0:16:53.560 --> 0:16:55.440 certainly a place for that for certain people. I need 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:57.000 to understand what I'm looking at. I need to know 0:16:57.040 --> 0:17:01.400 what's behind it. Miles per hour. My simple brain can 0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:05.720 grasp that. Okay, big man, run fast, great good. I 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:08.760 when I when I, when I covered football in college. 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:11.679 There's a coach we asked him one time, Uh, he 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:13.119 had a really good tight end, and we were like, 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:14.960 what makes this tight end so good? And he said, 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:17.080 he's a big guy that can run fast. That's usually 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:19.040 a good tight end. And I'm like, all right, I 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:21.520 can understand that big man that run fast. That was 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:22.480 in Gronk's pride too. 0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:26.159 I'm right now, I think like big man run fast 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:29.280 is where the front office thinks that the dinosaurs are 0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:30.119 right like that? 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:33.280 Like, so well, I feel like that's like the part 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:35.160 I'm saying. I don't think it's one or the other. 0:17:35.240 --> 0:17:38.119 I think big man run fast forty yard dash or 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:41.440 big man run fast, you know, next gen tracking data. 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:43.560 I guess it depends on what position you play. 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:46.840 But that's but that's kind of my point is are 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:47.880 we actually because. 0:17:47.640 --> 0:17:51.120 If you're like DK Metcalf, big man run fast, yeah, right, 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:53.720 But at the same time, he's got a lot of 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:56.119 other things that are good about his game. But that's 0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:59.639 that's the crux of what makes him different is that 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:02.240 he's six and can run a four to three, right. 0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:04.760 Right, So I get that. That's just my point. It's 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:06.760 like if so it wasn't to say, like, all right, 0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:09.040 just oh hey, this guy looks fast on tape. He's good. 0:18:09.040 --> 0:18:12.040 But I'm saying, if if you want to track player 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:14.840 speed through next Gen Stats compare with I don't know, 0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:16.720 do they use next Gen stats for college or whatever 0:18:16.760 --> 0:18:20.000 they used to get mom that they outsource it? Okay, 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:22.800 whatever does it? If you want to use miles Prower 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:26.040 rather than the forty yard dash to track the fastest players, 0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:27.960 I have no I'm all in on that. I have 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:31.560 no problem with that because you're actually gaining tangible information. 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:35.960 Yeah. And they also will track like, for example, like 0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:39.359 a linebacker, like how fast is his closing speed? 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:41.400 Right? Yeah, I know there's a lot of things like. 0:18:41.359 --> 0:18:43.040 That from where he is to the ball. 0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:46.359 And that's that thing where like what I'm big on 0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:50.240 is see it on tape and make sure it matches. Yeah, right, 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:53.480 use that to confirm what you see on the tape. 0:18:53.520 --> 0:18:55.919 The tape should still be king. But it's like, Okay, 0:18:56.000 --> 0:18:59.240 this guy looks very quick twitch. Do the numbers back 0:18:59.280 --> 0:19:01.000 it up or not? He just playing a bunch of 0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:01.760 slow apart right. 0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:03.880 And teams, you know, a lot of teams will also 0:19:03.960 --> 0:19:07.719 reverse it right where they'll say they'll have these analytics houses, 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:10.680 they'll bring them these numbers and they'll say, oh, wow, 0:19:10.720 --> 0:19:13.359 Puka Nakua ran twenty one miles an hour. Maybe we 0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:15.480 should pull up this guy's tape and see what it 0:19:15.520 --> 0:19:18.680 looks like to the eye test on film. I think 0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:21.560 that at the end of the day, the whole point 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:25.120 of all of this is just that they feel as 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:28.680 though the only way to move forward was to cut 0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:33.560 Bill out, and Bill not necessarily that Bill I think 0:19:33.760 --> 0:19:36.080 Bill was the problem is probably the wrong way to 0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:41.280 put it. It's more like Bill was preventing younger, innovative 0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:45.520 type of minds in the organization from having a voice 0:19:45.560 --> 0:19:49.040 and having a say and having an ability to push 0:19:49.080 --> 0:19:53.879 things forward. And the Atlanta Falcons sounds like they're pretty 0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:57.960 much gonna hire Bill Belichick. I think somebody reported, I 0:19:57.960 --> 0:19:59.960 don't know who it was, one of the insiders had 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:03.560 reported that the NFL would prefer teams to wait until 0:20:03.600 --> 0:20:06.159 after the divisional round because that's technically when you can 0:20:06.200 --> 0:20:10.119 start interviewing people in person to actually announce these hires. 0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:13.040 So my guess is that we're gonna hear early and 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:15.679 draw Maya was promoted from within, so that's a different, different, 0:20:15.840 --> 0:20:19.280 different thing. I'm talking about external hires. So my guess 0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:22.240 is that early next week we're gonna start hearing a 0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:26.520 lot of jobs being filled across the NFL. And this 0:20:26.720 --> 0:20:29.840 news about Bill getting a second interview in Atlanta would 0:20:29.840 --> 0:20:33.320 tell me that that this is probably finalizing some details 0:20:33.440 --> 0:20:36.320 about how this is gonna look with the Falcons. So 0:20:37.119 --> 0:20:40.879 interesting interesting stuff yesterday, but I just couldn't help. The 0:20:41.000 --> 0:20:43.199 biggest takeaway couldn't help but look around and be like, 0:20:43.960 --> 0:20:45.919 he's the only one that's not here, right, you know, 0:20:46.080 --> 0:20:48.160 like the coaching staff wasn't there, but it's not Girod's 0:20:48.200 --> 0:20:48.800 coaching staff. 0:20:48.800 --> 0:20:49.280 Some of them are. 0:20:49.680 --> 0:20:52.679 DeMarcus Covington was. I think he was the only one 0:20:52.720 --> 0:20:53.600 I saw that. 0:20:53.560 --> 0:20:55.440 Was Oh, they were like front office guys there. But yeah, 0:20:55.440 --> 0:20:57.280 you might have been the only coach, which I mean 0:20:57.320 --> 0:20:58.800 I've said like I'd love for him to step in 0:20:58.800 --> 0:21:00.960 his DC. So yeah, I don't know. 0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:03.199 I don't know where their head that is at with that. 0:21:04.280 --> 0:21:06.040 The coaching staff is an interesting one. I don't think 0:21:06.080 --> 0:21:09.959 anybody uh knows exactly what's going to happen with all 0:21:10.000 --> 0:21:11.879 of that, even people in the building. 0:21:11.920 --> 0:21:13.440 I think it's pretty safe to say it's going to 0:21:13.440 --> 0:21:18.240 be a new group. You're not interviewing potential special teams 0:21:18.240 --> 0:21:20.679 coordinators to keep the guys you have, I think. 0:21:20.560 --> 0:21:24.400 On special teams, I agree on defense, there is there 0:21:24.440 --> 0:21:28.720 is Rooney Rule implications when it comes to UH defensive 0:21:28.720 --> 0:21:29.560 coordinator and offense. 0:21:29.600 --> 0:21:31.200 So I couldn't find that for some reason. 0:21:31.359 --> 0:21:34.960 Yeah, you need you have to do one instead of two. 0:21:35.440 --> 0:21:38.480 It's two for head coaches. It's one for offensive and 0:21:38.960 --> 0:21:39.679 for coordinator. 0:21:40.200 --> 0:21:42.560 So really hard to find, like the actual written text 0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:42.760 of the R. 0:21:43.200 --> 0:21:47.080 Yeah, so if you want to, for example, for the Patriots, 0:21:47.160 --> 0:21:50.199 if they want to give Steve Belichick the official title 0:21:50.359 --> 0:21:54.760 of defensive coordinator, then they have to interview external minority 0:21:54.800 --> 0:21:58.360 candidates as well, because he's not technically the defensive coordinator 0:21:58.359 --> 0:21:59.960 now right, so you're promoting him. 0:22:00.040 --> 0:22:02.320 And it is external candidates too. I've seen some people 0:22:02.320 --> 0:22:04.600 miss that, like it's you can't, right. 0:22:04.600 --> 0:22:06.840 You can't interview de Marcus Comington for the job. 0:22:07.040 --> 0:22:08.879 I mean you can't, but it doesn't count for the room. 0:22:09.119 --> 0:22:11.280 You can't and you should let me add that. 0:22:11.440 --> 0:22:14.080 But all right, let's take some of these phone calls. 0:22:14.080 --> 0:22:17.720 People are already calling in. Tucker is in Richmond, what's up? Tucker? 0:22:19.760 --> 0:22:22.680 Hey, guys, thanks for taking the call. Listen to your 0:22:22.680 --> 0:22:26.280 show every week, but most of the time it's the recording, 0:22:26.320 --> 0:22:29.520 so I can't really ever call in. But I really 0:22:29.600 --> 0:22:33.080 like it and keeping the really enjoyed during the season. 0:22:33.119 --> 0:22:35.960 But the thing I wanted to touch on and I 0:22:36.560 --> 0:22:39.119 going back a little bit We've all been talking about, 0:22:39.160 --> 0:22:41.440 but I don't think I've heard either of you kind 0:22:41.440 --> 0:22:44.359 of give your take on the workers sham piece that 0:22:44.440 --> 0:22:46.760 came out from ESPN. I guess that was last week. 0:22:48.400 --> 0:22:51.480 I know that was probably mostly from Bill's camp, so 0:22:52.400 --> 0:22:55.359 trying to take it with a grain of salt, but 0:22:56.520 --> 0:22:59.760 kind of made me feel a little bit more sympathetic 0:22:59.800 --> 0:23:03.160 for just with how kind of the relationship that deteriorated 0:23:03.200 --> 0:23:06.520 with the Crafts and makes me kind of I want 0:23:06.560 --> 0:23:09.159 to root for him to have more success than the 0:23:09.400 --> 0:23:12.640 than the Patriots do for the next year or two, 0:23:12.800 --> 0:23:15.320 just to kind of show that, you know, maybe he 0:23:15.440 --> 0:23:17.959 was right and there wrong, but I mean, I don't know, 0:23:18.320 --> 0:23:20.680 I've always been kind of in Bill's camp through all 0:23:20.680 --> 0:23:25.240 of this, So curiser Al thought, thanks, I'll take it offline, all. 0:23:25.200 --> 0:23:27.800 Right, Thanks, Tucker. Yeah, I definitely won't be going that far. 0:23:28.240 --> 0:23:30.679 I mean, I hope I wish Bill success where he 0:23:30.720 --> 0:23:32.359 else you go. You know, I'm saying with Brady right 0:23:32.400 --> 0:23:36.199 in Tampa Bay, I wouldn't. I'm going to be honest, 0:23:36.280 --> 0:23:38.920 like when Brady won with the Buccaneers in Tampa Bay, 0:23:38.920 --> 0:23:42.000 It's done like that was not I was not all 0:23:42.320 --> 0:23:44.199 like happy for him, like, oh, let's go down to 0:23:44.240 --> 0:23:46.479 Tampa and go to the parade. Like no, I was 0:23:46.640 --> 0:23:48.000 that that did not feel good. 0:23:48.040 --> 0:23:49.840 I mean, I was happy. It was a weird emotion. 0:23:49.920 --> 0:23:51.520 I can't really describe I was. 0:23:51.720 --> 0:23:54.280 I did not did not like that at all, because 0:23:54.280 --> 0:23:56.159 it's just not good for many direction, right, Like he 0:23:56.200 --> 0:23:58.119 wins someplace else, he could have stayed here. 0:23:58.359 --> 0:24:00.640 I mean, I like, and I was happy for Tom 0:24:00.680 --> 0:24:04.000 Brady that he got to accomplish. But you know what 0:24:04.040 --> 0:24:05.359 it was, you know what was weird about it? You 0:24:05.400 --> 0:24:08.520 know what? So I went in thinking I didn't want 0:24:08.520 --> 0:24:12.199 Brady to win, and then pregame, one of the pregame 0:24:12.240 --> 0:24:16.400 shows said something about his mom throughout that season break 0:24:16.480 --> 0:24:18.919 Brady's mom Yeah, would still say like when they were 0:24:18.960 --> 0:24:21.159 on the phone, would still say go Patriots yea. And 0:24:21.480 --> 0:24:23.600 he would do it too. And that was some weird 0:24:23.680 --> 0:24:25.720 sort of closure for me. And at that point I 0:24:25.720 --> 0:24:26.719 was like, I would ever go win it. 0:24:27.119 --> 0:24:30.600 So the the Wickersham piece and all this stuff about 0:24:31.280 --> 0:24:34.159 the strays that are being thrown back and forth, I 0:24:34.160 --> 0:24:36.560 think The one thing I would say about that is that, 0:24:37.080 --> 0:24:40.600 in my mind, the job of an owner, the role 0:24:40.640 --> 0:24:43.879 of an owner is to be the voice of reason 0:24:44.040 --> 0:24:48.280 to save people from themselves, especially people like Bill who 0:24:48.359 --> 0:24:50.960 are really hard to check in terms of power. Right, Like, 0:24:51.080 --> 0:24:54.040 no nobody is gonna go up to Bill in this 0:24:54.280 --> 0:24:58.320 organization other than Robert Kraft and say, Matt Patricia is 0:24:58.359 --> 0:25:01.040 not an offensive coordinator. What the heck are we doing? 0:25:01.240 --> 0:25:01.400 Right? 0:25:01.480 --> 0:25:03.480 Like, that's not gonna necessarily happen, and it's. 0:25:03.320 --> 0:25:05.280 Not anybody else's job to do that, right. 0:25:05.280 --> 0:25:07.960 And that's the in my mind, that's the job of 0:25:08.000 --> 0:25:11.200 an owner is to step in when things are are 0:25:11.359 --> 0:25:12.199 like that are happening. 0:25:12.240 --> 0:25:12.640 Yeah. 0:25:12.680 --> 0:25:14.800 The one thing that I agree with Bill on if 0:25:14.840 --> 0:25:17.200 that if this is truly Bill's stanton and he's truly 0:25:17.359 --> 0:25:19.760 holding these things against Robert h The one thing I 0:25:19.840 --> 0:25:24.520 will agree with Bill on naming in writing Gerrod Mayo 0:25:24.680 --> 0:25:27.800 the successor a year before he was or even two 0:25:27.840 --> 0:25:31.320 years before, according to some reporting, before he was supposed 0:25:31.320 --> 0:25:34.800 to take over the job, was making Bill lame duck. 0:25:34.840 --> 0:25:36.840 But wasn't the reporting from Bill that he was okay 0:25:36.840 --> 0:25:38.879 with that? That it was in Bill's contract too, that 0:25:41.160 --> 0:25:44.040 there's the Wickersham one. They were like two from Breer, 0:25:44.119 --> 0:25:46.600 there was the Herald one. I'm honestly losing track and 0:25:47.040 --> 0:25:47.679 what was from what? 0:25:48.240 --> 0:25:53.000 So my point being is that you can definitely see 0:25:53.400 --> 0:25:56.880 how especially once word and word always gets out, right 0:25:56.880 --> 0:25:59.520 like people always find out, and especially once the word 0:25:59.560 --> 0:26:04.040 starts get out that Girod Mayo has it written in 0:26:04.080 --> 0:26:06.840 his contract that he's the heir apparent to Bill Belichick. 0:26:08.240 --> 0:26:13.920 That just creates a dysfunctional environment, right Like, there's gonna 0:26:13.920 --> 0:26:15.720 be people that are gonna be team Girod. There's gonna 0:26:15.760 --> 0:26:18.320 be people that are team Bill. There's gonna be people 0:26:18.920 --> 0:26:22.600 that are gonna tell Greg Badard that he's rubbing people 0:26:22.640 --> 0:26:25.400 the wrong way Girod, right like, you know that all 0:26:25.480 --> 0:26:28.119 of that now, in hindsight makes so much more sense 0:26:28.240 --> 0:26:31.359 because he was a made man, Drawd Mayo, and he 0:26:31.440 --> 0:26:35.119 knew it. And it wasn't just a vocal promise like 0:26:35.200 --> 0:26:38.840 I think it was with Josh mcdarid. This was a true, 0:26:39.080 --> 0:26:42.960 written in contract language, you are the next head coach 0:26:43.000 --> 0:26:45.400 of the New England Patriots if and when Bill Belichick 0:26:45.480 --> 0:26:49.840 is gone. And that, to me, I think was not 0:26:49.880 --> 0:26:53.520 necessarily malicious or on purpose, but I think, in hindsight, 0:26:54.160 --> 0:26:57.359 having the twenty twenty three coaching staff function properly with 0:26:57.440 --> 0:27:00.480 that hanging over everybody's head probably was not the move. 0:27:00.840 --> 0:27:01.960 We talked to it. I don't know if it's on 0:27:02.000 --> 0:27:03.720 the show I talked about it. I think it was 0:27:03.760 --> 0:27:06.960 on the show last week. Something I've learned in all 0:27:07.000 --> 0:27:09.439 of this is Robert Kraft is an optimist. Yeah, and 0:27:09.440 --> 0:27:11.360 that's not necessarily a bad thing. Like I think that's 0:27:11.359 --> 0:27:15.000 a good trait. But if things had gone according to 0:27:15.080 --> 0:27:19.760 plan again, it looks brilliant. You know, Bill finishes it out, 0:27:20.080 --> 0:27:22.200 Girod Mayo gets to learn under him. It's this great 0:27:22.240 --> 0:27:24.800 symbiotic relationship and then boom, you hand the thing off 0:27:25.160 --> 0:27:28.800 clean baton pass, really no hiccup. Yeah, it obviously didn't 0:27:28.840 --> 0:27:31.679 work out like that, and because it didn't, the idea 0:27:31.720 --> 0:27:33.840 looks somewhat worse. And I think there's been some other 0:27:33.840 --> 0:27:36.040 instances too, where you've seen the Patriots do things were like, 0:27:36.400 --> 0:27:38.760 if this works out, it's gonna be great. And I 0:27:38.800 --> 0:27:41.720 think Robert Craft truly believes himself. I think he truly 0:27:41.760 --> 0:27:43.920 believes in the people he hires, and that's a good trait, 0:27:43.960 --> 0:27:46.480 but sometimes it doesn't work out that way, and then 0:27:46.520 --> 0:27:48.840 you get a situation like they're in right now. Yeah, 0:27:48.920 --> 0:27:49.640 I just. 0:27:50.640 --> 0:27:52.720 All the things that went wrong with the twenty twenty 0:27:52.760 --> 0:27:56.560 three team. Now knowing this about Girod Mayo's contract kind 0:27:56.600 --> 0:27:59.399 of puts it all into light. Yeah, how this all 0:27:59.480 --> 0:28:02.280 kind of came out part from a coaching perspective, because 0:28:02.760 --> 0:28:05.359 it never made any sense that they were so poorly coached. 0:28:05.640 --> 0:28:08.640 They have good coaches, right like, Bill Belichick's the greatest 0:28:08.640 --> 0:28:11.399 coach of all time. I think Bill O'Brien's a good coach. 0:28:11.640 --> 0:28:13.880 Girod Meyo is running the defense with Steve and now 0:28:13.880 --> 0:28:15.960 he's the head coach of the team, so they obviously 0:28:16.000 --> 0:28:18.679 think that he's a good coach. Joe Judge, for all 0:28:18.720 --> 0:28:21.560 of his flaws, I think is a good special teams coach, 0:28:21.560 --> 0:28:24.280 and their special teams wasn't all that much better. So 0:28:24.520 --> 0:28:26.639 all these things just didn't necessarily add up. A no 0:28:26.760 --> 0:28:29.480 talent in personnel is such a big reason for all 0:28:29.480 --> 0:28:32.480 of that. But it just felt it felt like a 0:28:32.520 --> 0:28:35.359 team that was poorly coached on the fundamentals, on the 0:28:35.359 --> 0:28:38.080 details of the game, which never made any sense when 0:28:38.080 --> 0:28:41.040 you looked at the actual experience and the actual knowledge 0:28:41.040 --> 0:28:43.560 on the coaching staff. So all this, in hindsight is 0:28:43.880 --> 0:28:46.680 really putting it all into perspective. Patty is an aguam. 0:28:46.720 --> 0:28:48.760 What's up, Patty? 0:28:49.720 --> 0:28:49.880 Jen? 0:28:52.720 --> 0:28:54.680 All right, Kevin, I got to clear a couple of 0:28:54.760 --> 0:28:59.080 things up from for you, okay, and Alex. I got 0:28:59.080 --> 0:29:01.320 a couple of names I want to Roger, allright, So 0:29:01.400 --> 0:29:03.520 I have an I think a two brute is from 0:29:03.520 --> 0:29:08.760 Hamlin's not from Julius Caesar. That's number one. And hey, 0:29:08.800 --> 0:29:11.840 I'm not I'm not judging. I'm a dummy. 0:29:12.000 --> 0:29:13.000 So it's from Caesar. 0:29:13.760 --> 0:29:14.520 It's from Caesar. 0:29:16.000 --> 0:29:16.520 From Caesar. 0:29:16.560 --> 0:29:18.880 Are you sure it's Julius Caesar's last words? 0:29:18.920 --> 0:29:21.400 Yeah, brute is his is his best buddy that he. 0:29:21.640 --> 0:29:23.560 Never stabbed him in the back, stabbed him in the back. 0:29:25.120 --> 0:29:26.760 I did say I was a dummy, So there you go. 0:29:27.160 --> 0:29:32.280 And Tuesday, when I called in saying that the guy 0:29:32.320 --> 0:29:35.240 that I wanted, Jayden Daniels, I wasn't looking at it 0:29:35.280 --> 0:29:38.120 as sort of like a consolation prize if those first 0:29:38.160 --> 0:29:42.160 two quarterbacks don't wanted to Honestly, I'm not sold on 0:29:42.240 --> 0:29:44.440 Drake May. I know that they're probably not going to 0:29:44.480 --> 0:29:47.760 get a chance to draft Kaylob Williams, but I think 0:29:48.680 --> 0:29:53.840 I correlate Jayden Daniels game to Deshaun Watson and and 0:29:53.920 --> 0:29:57.240 here's and this is why, this is how my brain works. 0:29:57.240 --> 0:30:00.720 When I watched Deshaun Watson his junior year at Clemson, 0:30:00.760 --> 0:30:03.080 I'm like, this guy's gonna suck. He's a one read quarterback. 0:30:03.280 --> 0:30:05.320 When that reads covered, he's gonna take off and he's 0:30:05.320 --> 0:30:08.720 gonna end up getting hurt. His senior year, I saw 0:30:08.800 --> 0:30:11.000 him progress and I saw him like read the field 0:30:11.040 --> 0:30:12.800 a little bit better. And I think I saw that 0:30:12.840 --> 0:30:15.720 from Jayden Daniels this past year and what's like maybe 0:30:15.760 --> 0:30:19.760 five games that I was able to watch LSU. So 0:30:19.800 --> 0:30:20.360 that's where I. 0:30:20.320 --> 0:30:20.920 Was going with that. 0:30:21.680 --> 0:30:24.400 He's for me, he's QB two, but I would love 0:30:24.400 --> 0:30:27.280 to see him on the team. And Alex the two 0:30:27.400 --> 0:30:30.600 names well both of you guys, but I think Alex 0:30:30.680 --> 0:30:33.080 dives a little bit steeper at this point, you know, 0:30:33.120 --> 0:30:36.160 in the NFL season. Then then you might have been true. 0:30:36.280 --> 0:30:40.680 If we're unable if we go QB one, yeah, number 0:30:40.840 --> 0:30:42.600 number three in the in the draft, and we're not 0:30:42.640 --> 0:30:44.840 able to get like a Patrick Paul in the second round, 0:30:45.880 --> 0:30:51.200 Patrick von Foster. I've looked at Javon Foster offensive tackle 0:30:51.240 --> 0:30:54.680 for Missouri and a sleeper wide receiver that I looked 0:30:54.680 --> 0:30:56.840 at that he looks pretty good. He looks like a 0:30:56.920 --> 0:31:00.280 Taekwon Thornton that's actually viable, that might actually be good 0:31:00.320 --> 0:31:04.280 in the NFL. Tory Holton out of or Tory Horton 0:31:04.320 --> 0:31:07.640 out of Colorado's state wide receiver. That's all I got, guys, 0:31:07.640 --> 0:31:08.440 I'll pick it up here. 0:31:08.640 --> 0:31:12.280 Thanks Patty uh So to the Jade and Daniels saying 0:31:12.920 --> 0:31:16.000 we've texted back and forth about this a little bit recently. 0:31:16.040 --> 0:31:21.520 Alex just the I'm scared. I'm just gonna say it. 0:31:21.760 --> 0:31:24.040 I'm afraid for the first time in my life, Adrian, 0:31:24.080 --> 0:31:27.080 I'm afraid. I am afraid to take a quarterback. I'm 0:31:27.160 --> 0:31:29.760 terrified of it. That's like, that's just what comes with it. 0:31:29.760 --> 0:31:34.680 It's because all you see are the flaws in the player, 0:31:34.800 --> 0:31:37.560 right Like, and it's not just Jayden Daniels, Like I'm 0:31:37.560 --> 0:31:40.400 sitting there and I'm watching Caleb Williams, fam whoever film 0:31:40.440 --> 0:31:43.040 excuse me who? Everybody's telling me is like this Trevor 0:31:43.120 --> 0:31:48.200 Lawrence Andrew Luck level prospect and I'm like, he took 0:31:48.240 --> 0:31:51.800 forty sacks last year. He fumbled like eighty times, and like, 0:31:51.800 --> 0:31:53.760 what am I missing? Right? And I'm not saying that 0:31:53.840 --> 0:31:56.880 Kayleb Williams is not a super talented player and not 0:31:57.000 --> 0:31:59.720 a His ceiling is through the roof, there's no doubt 0:31:59.720 --> 0:32:03.640 about that. But part of me can't help but look 0:32:03.680 --> 0:32:07.640 at this and say, he doesn't throw on time, He 0:32:07.680 --> 0:32:10.040 takes a ton of sacks, he turns the ball over, 0:32:10.160 --> 0:32:13.479 he's reckless. And I think then with Drake May like 0:32:13.520 --> 0:32:17.120 there's there's mechanical and footwork flaws that lead to accuracy 0:32:17.160 --> 0:32:21.480 issues for him. Daniel Jones, Daniel Jones, I think Josh 0:32:21.560 --> 0:32:24.120 Allen is probably the nicer comp right where. 0:32:24.040 --> 0:32:26.040 Well, no, because I told you that Daniel Jones comp 0:32:26.040 --> 0:32:27.280 and then you said you couldn't not see it. 0:32:27.360 --> 0:32:32.520 Yeah, that's definitely true, you know. I Jayden Daniels is 0:32:32.560 --> 0:32:35.640 probably my favorite out of all three to watch, you know, Like, 0:32:35.680 --> 0:32:37.959 I just love that lect. I just love that style. 0:32:38.640 --> 0:32:41.720 But at the same time, Patty's right, like he just 0:32:42.480 --> 0:32:45.239 if it's not initially there for him, his instinct is 0:32:45.280 --> 0:32:48.400 just to take off running and in college he can 0:32:48.440 --> 0:32:51.640 break off a forty yard scramble because nobody can catch him, 0:32:51.880 --> 0:32:53.760 and the pros people are going to catch him. And 0:32:53.800 --> 0:32:56.640 those forty yard scrambles might become eight yard scrambles or 0:32:56.720 --> 0:32:59.400 ten yard scrambles, and he's getting hit, and then you know, 0:32:59.440 --> 0:33:02.080 you worry about the injuries. Right like, here we go, 0:33:02.480 --> 0:33:04.719 and this is all I'm telling you, This is all. 0:33:04.760 --> 0:33:07.680 I can't get it out of my head that I 0:33:07.840 --> 0:33:10.520 just every time I watch one of these guys, I 0:33:10.560 --> 0:33:12.560 see a lot of positives and I see a lot 0:33:12.560 --> 0:33:16.160 of negatives, and none of them, by the way, I 0:33:16.160 --> 0:33:17.680 think Drake may is the closest. 0:33:17.840 --> 0:33:20.640 But none of them really played their brand of football. 0:33:21.440 --> 0:33:23.600 And I we don't know what their brand of football 0:33:23.680 --> 0:33:24.080 is going to be. 0:33:24.120 --> 0:33:26.600 But I'm all for innovation, like you know that, I'm 0:33:26.600 --> 0:33:29.560 all for modernizing. And I have a take on on 0:33:29.720 --> 0:33:32.400 net that I think Mike Lombardi nailed the other day 0:33:32.440 --> 0:33:37.000 that I heard. But in general, they are looking for sound, 0:33:37.240 --> 0:33:40.480 instructured decision makers, guys that are gonna throw on time 0:33:40.880 --> 0:33:43.080 to the open man, to the right guy, and the 0:33:43.120 --> 0:33:46.840 read the right guy in the progression accurately. And none 0:33:46.840 --> 0:33:49.280 of these guys fit that bill. So if you're gonna 0:33:49.280 --> 0:33:51.840 do this with one of these players, you're gonna have 0:33:51.880 --> 0:33:54.480 to completely rewrite how you run offense, Like. 0:33:54.520 --> 0:33:57.240 Don't, but there's a chance they might do that. I mean, 0:33:57.280 --> 0:33:58.680 you have a new head coach. We don't know who's 0:33:58.680 --> 0:34:00.840 he's gonna bring into the coordinator a real shot at that. 0:34:01.360 --> 0:34:04.520 And again this is why, and so what I would 0:34:04.520 --> 0:34:07.720 say to you being afraid of drafting a quarterback is terrified. 0:34:07.800 --> 0:34:08.799 What's the alternative? 0:34:11.400 --> 0:34:12.719 The alternatives are. 0:34:12.840 --> 0:34:14.520 The alternatives aren't pretty either. 0:34:14.800 --> 0:34:19.000 The alternatives are I guess two ways, right, One is 0:34:20.120 --> 0:34:23.160 the draft best player available in the first round bow 0:34:23.239 --> 0:34:25.759 Knick's path, right, which is what Dame Briggler did for 0:34:25.800 --> 0:34:28.560 the Patriots and his latest mock Marvin Harrison Junior at three, 0:34:28.960 --> 0:34:31.720 bow Knicks at thirty four, right, Like, that's one path. 0:34:32.080 --> 0:34:32.880 The other pass. 0:34:32.920 --> 0:34:36.160 So the Tennessee Titans plan more or less. Yeah, that 0:34:36.200 --> 0:34:38.680 went well. They well, but the Titans didn't draft Marvin 0:34:38.680 --> 0:34:41.080 Harrison Junior. All right, I mean there's that was just 0:34:41.080 --> 0:34:42.040 the first one that came to mind. 0:34:42.120 --> 0:34:45.200 Yeah, they took Scronsky right in the first round, and 0:34:45.239 --> 0:34:45.759 then it was. 0:34:46.080 --> 0:34:50.040 Well, then they signed they signed Hopkins. 0:34:50.400 --> 0:34:55.000 Yeah, that's true. The other path is to solve the 0:34:55.080 --> 0:34:58.319 quarterback problem in veteran in the veteran market. I don't 0:34:58.320 --> 0:35:00.040 want to say free agency, because you know. 0:35:00.320 --> 0:35:02.600 So by the way, the other the other like second 0:35:02.680 --> 0:35:05.080 round picks talking about Drew Locke in Denver. I think 0:35:05.120 --> 0:35:07.399 that was the year they took Jerry Judy. Yeah, so 0:35:07.440 --> 0:35:10.920 that obviously didn't work out. Uh, Jalen Hurts and Philly 0:35:10.920 --> 0:35:14.200 worked out for a year. Put a pin in that one. Uh, 0:35:14.280 --> 0:35:16.719 Kyle Trask and Tampa Yeah, I. 0:35:16.640 --> 0:35:21.520 Mean Kyle Trast sign BA. Kyle Trask's ceiling was much 0:35:21.560 --> 0:35:25.040 lower than bo Nix's. Like Kyle Trask, you knew was 0:35:25.160 --> 0:35:28.399 probably at his best, like a really good backup. 0:35:28.120 --> 0:35:30.799 Cour Deshaun Kaiser. I'm just going back to the most 0:35:30.840 --> 0:35:32.880 recent second round picks, Christian Hackenberg. 0:35:32.960 --> 0:35:36.560 I feel like DeShawn Kaiser. Christian Hackenberg is back when we, 0:35:36.760 --> 0:35:39.160 like teams really didn't know how to scout court. I 0:35:39.200 --> 0:35:40.440 feel like we've gotten better. 0:35:40.200 --> 0:35:41.960 At it, all right, Well I would when I say. 0:35:41.840 --> 0:35:44.040 We, I mean like NFL team, So I shouldn't say we. 0:35:44.320 --> 0:35:48.200 But there's been four quarterbacks taking in the second round 0:35:48.200 --> 0:35:50.440 in the last five years. You're looking at Will Levis, 0:35:51.040 --> 0:35:55.799 Desmond Ritter, h Kyle Trask. I might have counted wrong, 0:35:55.880 --> 0:35:58.680 Jalen Hurts and Drew Locke. 0:36:00.120 --> 0:36:02.720 Back to twenty nine, great, and I have my concerns 0:36:02.719 --> 0:36:04.719 about bo Nicks too, as you said. 0:36:05.000 --> 0:36:07.880 But at the same time, there's that path right just 0:36:07.960 --> 0:36:10.680 right all the angles. Well there's a third path too, 0:36:11.200 --> 0:36:13.680 Well it's the veteran mark. No, there's a third path. 0:36:13.760 --> 0:36:16.479 What's that run it back? Oh well no, that's note nobody. 0:36:16.560 --> 0:36:18.799 But here's my point. But but it has to be 0:36:18.800 --> 0:36:21.879 because you're either talking about a thirty six year old 0:36:21.920 --> 0:36:24.719 Kirk Cousins coming off of torn achilles, no guarantee. 0:36:24.800 --> 0:36:27.799 I would just say that, okay, finish your point, and then. 0:36:27.719 --> 0:36:31.040 There's no guarantee there. Yeah, you're talking about a super 0:36:31.080 --> 0:36:34.280 low ceiling player like bo Nix. Might be a decent quarterback, 0:36:34.280 --> 0:36:36.239 he's not a franchise quarterback. He's not gonna be. He's 0:36:36.239 --> 0:36:39.080 too old to develop to that level to make the 0:36:39.160 --> 0:36:41.560 jumps he needs to make or run it back, which 0:36:41.600 --> 0:36:43.920 I don't. Nobody wants to do so, or take the 0:36:43.920 --> 0:36:46.279 guy in the first round. This is why do you 0:36:46.320 --> 0:36:49.520 remember back in like October, when everybody was ready to 0:36:49.520 --> 0:36:52.279 push Mac Jones out the door, and I said, you 0:36:52.480 --> 0:36:55.040 need to be patient and make sure it wasn't this. 0:36:55.360 --> 0:36:57.400 And at the time it was taken as this defense 0:36:57.400 --> 0:37:00.600 of mac Jones. It wasn't. It was because this is 0:37:00.640 --> 0:37:04.080 what's on the other side. And look, we ultimately found 0:37:04.080 --> 0:37:06.879 out with mac Jones and he wasn't the guy. And now, yes, 0:37:06.920 --> 0:37:08.799 this is where they are and they do. This is 0:37:08.800 --> 0:37:11.239 not me advocating for mac Jones or Bailey's Appy, and 0:37:11.280 --> 0:37:13.840 they found out with Bailey's Appy too. But the point is, 0:37:14.760 --> 0:37:17.319 you don't go back to the quarterback carousel until you're 0:37:17.440 --> 0:37:21.640 sure you absolutely need to, because as I've been saying 0:37:21.640 --> 0:37:25.600 for months, there is no you go into that carousel, 0:37:26.120 --> 0:37:28.000 you might not come out for twenty years. And you 0:37:28.040 --> 0:37:31.960 can go through first round draft picks, second round draft picks, veterans, 0:37:32.000 --> 0:37:34.560 you can keep sight, but permutations. 0:37:35.080 --> 0:37:37.360 This is why I'm a little surprised that you're so 0:37:37.560 --> 0:37:43.560 pro quarterback early, because you look, you're not gonna find 0:37:43.600 --> 0:37:46.560 rock Perty in the seventh round, right, you can't. That's 0:37:46.560 --> 0:37:50.160 an aspect that But if you take a little bit 0:37:50.160 --> 0:37:53.160 more of a deliberate approach to this, and you do 0:37:53.239 --> 0:37:56.000 draft the tackle or you do draft Marvin Harrison junior, 0:37:56.360 --> 0:37:59.359 and you just admit to yourselves that you're probably two 0:37:59.400 --> 0:38:02.600 or three years away from really being able to drop 0:38:02.640 --> 0:38:06.279 a quarterback in and have it all be ready to go. 0:38:06.440 --> 0:38:09.719 My biggest fear is and maybe they get away with 0:38:09.760 --> 0:38:12.840 it by sitting the guy for a little bit. Maybe 0:38:12.880 --> 0:38:14.040 they get away with it. 0:38:14.239 --> 0:38:17.640 By signing bone Nicks. He's twenty four. 0:38:17.760 --> 0:38:19.719 Okay, maybe not Bonnicks, But I'm talking about a first 0:38:19.760 --> 0:38:21.880 round pick, right, I'm talking about a guy at three. Like, 0:38:21.960 --> 0:38:25.800 maybe you you draft Jaden Daniels, you sign Gardner Minshew, 0:38:26.200 --> 0:38:29.359 and the plan is really to sit Jaden Daniels at 0:38:29.440 --> 0:38:31.400 least for the first half of the year unless he 0:38:31.480 --> 0:38:34.239 comes out in training camp and is just an absolutely 0:38:34.320 --> 0:38:36.400 dynamic player and you're like, this guy's too good to 0:38:36.440 --> 0:38:41.040 keep off the field. But in general, I we've always 0:38:41.120 --> 0:38:44.520 kind of uh trophied the the Niners, right, Like that's 0:38:44.520 --> 0:38:45.719 not the right word, but you know what I'm trying 0:38:45.760 --> 0:38:46.080 to say. 0:38:46.640 --> 0:38:49.759 And my whole plan about you get the you build 0:38:49.760 --> 0:38:51.759 all the pieces, you find the net neutral quarterback, you 0:38:51.840 --> 0:38:52.440 drop into it. 0:38:52.719 --> 0:38:54.840 Now you're saying the opposite. 0:38:54.360 --> 0:38:58.080 Because I don't think they have the therey. There was 0:38:58.120 --> 0:39:02.160 a window that they had to do that that windows passed. 0:39:02.800 --> 0:39:05.680 If they're gonna do that now you're talking about three four, 0:39:05.840 --> 0:39:08.920 five years, are you putting you know? After moving on 0:39:08.960 --> 0:39:12.880 from Bill Belichick. Are you willing to be mediocre for 0:39:12.960 --> 0:39:16.080 three or four years? Have drawed Meyo's coaching career. Start 0:39:16.080 --> 0:39:18.520 being mediocre for three or four years before you really 0:39:18.600 --> 0:39:21.719 get going. That thing takes time. When you had Brady 0:39:21.800 --> 0:39:24.360 and you had a chance to put some pieces around him, 0:39:24.960 --> 0:39:26.520 there was an opportunity to do that. 0:39:27.200 --> 0:39:29.000 Yeah, I'll just look at it. And the other thing 0:39:29.000 --> 0:39:31.279 I was, I look at the Houston Texans. Yeah, And 0:39:31.840 --> 0:39:33.839 as much as I want to say, and I have 0:39:33.920 --> 0:39:36.480 said in the past, that they just drop c J. 0:39:36.560 --> 0:39:39.759 Stroud into that team and he and now they're in 0:39:39.800 --> 0:39:43.240 the divisional round. Yeah, the Nick cass Ario, the ultimately 0:39:43.320 --> 0:39:45.160 Nick Cassio has been there for like three or four 0:39:45.200 --> 0:39:48.280 years and he has already started to build. He started 0:39:48.280 --> 0:39:52.480 to build everything else around to drop that quarterback in. 0:39:52.920 --> 0:39:56.760 Now they stunk and they still had the second overall 0:39:56.800 --> 0:39:59.640 pick in the draft to take CJ. Stroud, which means 0:39:59.640 --> 0:40:02.160 that you have to have some patience. And I'm with you. 0:40:02.200 --> 0:40:04.160 I don't think that they're gonna want to have patience. 0:40:04.160 --> 0:40:06.160 I think they're gonna want Rodmeyo to work out right 0:40:06.160 --> 0:40:08.320 out of the gate. They're gonna spend money like crazy. 0:40:08.360 --> 0:40:10.680 This offseason and they're gonna throw a lot of research 0:40:10.880 --> 0:40:13.160 just since I think slow can strata elevated that group. 0:40:13.200 --> 0:40:15.319 Do they have that elite receiver? Do they have a 0:40:15.360 --> 0:40:17.160 Marvin Harrison junior type wide receiver? 0:40:17.239 --> 0:40:20.120 They don't. They have Laramie Tunzel, who's a good player. Yeah, 0:40:20.239 --> 0:40:22.960 the rest of their line is fine. It's fine. 0:40:23.000 --> 0:40:24.600 They writ it out all this year. But that's a 0:40:24.640 --> 0:40:26.960 scheme that that usually gets a lot out of it. 0:40:26.960 --> 0:40:29.920 They they got, you know, they hit on some running backs, 0:40:29.920 --> 0:40:31.799 a late draft pick and a kind of free agent 0:40:31.960 --> 0:40:33.560 wash out who they were able to reinvigorate. 0:40:33.719 --> 0:40:34.000 Yeah. 0:40:34.200 --> 0:40:38.040 No, people are pointed to the Texans. Is that blueprint of 0:40:38.440 --> 0:40:41.320 if you just give it a couple of years people 0:40:41.520 --> 0:40:45.200 in Houston won Casario gone. Oh last offseason like they 0:40:45.200 --> 0:40:48.040 weren't building towards anything. They hit a home run on 0:40:48.080 --> 0:40:50.680 the quarterback and the coordinator. That's what they did. And 0:40:51.520 --> 0:40:54.280 that's when you when So when you say the Texans 0:40:54.320 --> 0:40:57.040 are the blueprint, I would agree, but it's not the 0:40:57.080 --> 0:40:59.360 blueprint in the sense of, oh, yeah, just take some 0:40:59.400 --> 0:41:02.120 time to build this. No, if you go, if you 0:41:02.160 --> 0:41:04.839 believe in the quarterback and you take them, it can 0:41:04.880 --> 0:41:08.360 do wonders because they'll elevate everybody else. So I still believe. 0:41:08.400 --> 0:41:10.480 I still believe in the net neutral quarterback plan. For 0:41:10.520 --> 0:41:12.560 the record, I do. I do still truly believe in that. 0:41:12.880 --> 0:41:15.520 I just think time and place and setting it doesn't 0:41:15.520 --> 0:41:16.960 make sense for the Patriots right now. It did at 0:41:17.000 --> 0:41:19.160 one point when they drafted Mac Jones. It made a 0:41:19.200 --> 0:41:21.080 lot of sense because it was Okay, you have this 0:41:21.160 --> 0:41:24.200 quarterback on a rookie contract, you have all this cab space, 0:41:24.239 --> 0:41:27.040 you have future draft capital, and they just didn't use 0:41:27.080 --> 0:41:30.520 it now because they already had some pieces in place. 0:41:30.560 --> 0:41:33.560 They had that big twenty twenty one offseason. They had had, 0:41:33.760 --> 0:41:36.200 you know, a decent draft in twenty twenty with guys 0:41:36.239 --> 0:41:39.520 like Kyle Dugger, guys like Josh Ucha, guys like Mike 0:41:39.560 --> 0:41:42.879 O and Wenthu. They're not coming in with as much now, 0:41:43.320 --> 0:41:45.000 they're not coming in with as much. So I think 0:41:45.040 --> 0:41:46.840 that's why you gotta be aggressive to get the quarterback. 0:41:47.000 --> 0:41:50.640 So the other thing I mentioned about Lombardi, Mike Lombardi 0:41:50.680 --> 0:41:52.880 was on his podcast and I thought he made a 0:41:52.880 --> 0:41:56.839 really good point there. In case he didn't know, Alex, 0:41:56.920 --> 0:42:03.040 there's a Twitter X Conversations Patriots Twitter about what it 0:42:03.120 --> 0:42:04.880 means to be a modern offense. 0:42:05.400 --> 0:42:07.040 And that's kind of like, I don't think this is 0:42:07.160 --> 0:42:08.800 I think this conversation is about you. 0:42:08.880 --> 0:42:13.960 And partially uh, you know, and like this buzzword right 0:42:14.000 --> 0:42:17.120 of modern offense, he rubs people the wrong way. And 0:42:17.800 --> 0:42:21.799 I thought that Lombardi really summed up what all of 0:42:21.840 --> 0:42:27.040 us that believe that the Patriots need to modernize their offense. 0:42:27.680 --> 0:42:30.319 He kind of got to the crux of it really well, 0:42:30.520 --> 0:42:34.480 and that is he said that the Patriots offense is 0:42:34.560 --> 0:42:40.840 built on first reaction precision, right like in structure play, 0:42:42.160 --> 0:42:46.279 this happens you do X, that happens you do why 0:42:46.760 --> 0:42:49.239 you know, first read, second read, third read, make a 0:42:49.320 --> 0:42:54.080 throw on time with accuracy, in rhythm nowadays, and especially 0:42:54.120 --> 0:42:57.279 when you look at this quarterback class, that's not how 0:42:57.480 --> 0:43:03.000 quarterbacks play anymore, right, quarterback play nowadays. And Patrick Mahomes 0:43:03.080 --> 0:43:06.360 was on the Manning Cast and like one of the 0:43:06.400 --> 0:43:08.440 only good things to come out of the Manning Cast 0:43:08.880 --> 0:43:12.200 was Patrick Mahomes talking to Peyton Manning about how it's 0:43:12.320 --> 0:43:16.839 changed for quarterbacks, how teams want the quarterbacks to read 0:43:16.840 --> 0:43:20.799 the field. When Peyton was playing, he said that it 0:43:20.880 --> 0:43:23.560 was full field progression right right, like you got from 0:43:23.560 --> 0:43:26.400 one all the way to your checkdown, and that was 0:43:26.480 --> 0:43:29.440 just how they wanted you to run the offense. Now 0:43:29.719 --> 0:43:33.560 it's more like one, maybe a second read and then 0:43:33.640 --> 0:43:36.719 do something right, make something happen, run around and make 0:43:36.800 --> 0:43:40.120 something happen. And the running around and make something happen, 0:43:40.680 --> 0:43:43.480 you know, initial decision not there to make something happen. 0:43:43.560 --> 0:43:47.320 Type of offense is the total antithesis of the Patriots offense. 0:43:48.120 --> 0:43:50.640 And that's why I look at these young quarterbacks and 0:43:50.800 --> 0:43:54.319 I especially Caleb and Jaden Daniels, but even Drake May 0:43:54.320 --> 0:43:56.680 who likes to be a little bit of a playmaker 0:43:56.719 --> 0:44:00.640 as well, out of structure, off platform, you know, move 0:44:00.760 --> 0:44:03.839 and extend plays, create time with his legs and make 0:44:03.920 --> 0:44:07.279 throws down the field. That type of stuff. They need 0:44:07.320 --> 0:44:10.600 to figure out a way to adapt their offense to 0:44:10.680 --> 0:44:13.000 that style of play. Well that would be That's where 0:44:13.040 --> 0:44:15.840 every quarterback in this draft, asides maybe bo Nix is headed. 0:44:15.920 --> 0:44:18.400 Like even JJ McCarthy, who we both don't like, and 0:44:18.400 --> 0:44:20.799 for all of his flaws, he's still one of those 0:44:20.840 --> 0:44:22.640 guys that likes to use his legs and likes to 0:44:22.640 --> 0:44:24.600 get outside the pocket and make throws on the run. 0:44:24.920 --> 0:44:27.280 So no matter who you're drafting out of this class, 0:44:27.680 --> 0:44:29.600 and I think moving forward that's just going to be 0:44:29.640 --> 0:44:32.600 the case. I don't think you're gonna draft like Shador 0:44:32.680 --> 0:44:34.920 Sanders at the top of the draft next year and 0:44:35.000 --> 0:44:37.640 expect him to run the Tom Brady offense right Like 0:44:37.680 --> 0:44:40.080 he's gonna want to use his mobility and use his 0:44:40.160 --> 0:44:44.080 instincts and use his playmaking gene as well. So that's 0:44:44.120 --> 0:44:48.279 where with modern offense with where they need to go. 0:44:48.640 --> 0:44:51.200 A lot of it is surrounded by the quarterback position, 0:44:52.080 --> 0:44:56.719 and a lot of these new offenses are encouraging that 0:44:57.160 --> 0:45:01.960 are not only encouraging it, but building in like schematic 0:45:02.080 --> 0:45:05.360 answers to allow quarterbacks to do that, like they're. 0:45:05.239 --> 0:45:06.720 Off structured chaos. 0:45:07.040 --> 0:45:10.640 Yeah, their off script is scripted, right, and that I 0:45:10.640 --> 0:45:12.880 think is a much different thing than what the Patriots 0:45:12.920 --> 0:45:15.319 are currently doing. And if they draft a guy like 0:45:15.400 --> 0:45:19.040 Jayden Daniels third, overall, they absolutely are gonna have to 0:45:19.080 --> 0:45:19.960 adapt to that style. 0:45:20.040 --> 0:45:22.319 Well, this is my point too. Let's wait and see. Like, 0:45:22.400 --> 0:45:25.000 maybe they do bring back Josh McDaniels, this has been reported. 0:45:25.040 --> 0:45:26.760 I think he's gonna go with Bill, but I understand 0:45:26.760 --> 0:45:29.279 why Gerrodmeya would like him. Let's see what they do 0:45:29.360 --> 0:45:32.680 at offensive coordinator. It's still a little like I hate 0:45:32.680 --> 0:45:34.719 that we've had to put this caveaut and everything right 0:45:35.000 --> 0:45:37.280 every time we talk about the draft. Well, who's coaching 0:45:37.280 --> 0:45:39.000 the team, who's building the team right? How many times 0:45:39.040 --> 0:45:42.120 have we done that? We're almost the finish line, we're 0:45:42.120 --> 0:45:43.319 so close, but. 0:45:43.440 --> 0:45:45.600 We need the coaching staff, dun Let's let's maybe we 0:45:45.640 --> 0:45:46.319 can go down the hall. 0:45:46.680 --> 0:45:48.360 Maybe we can go down the hall. And I don't know. 0:45:48.360 --> 0:45:50.360 I didn't see I didn't see Bobby slow walking in 0:45:50.400 --> 0:45:52.960 the building when I got here today. So oh, he'd 0:45:53.000 --> 0:45:54.640 be a head guy. He's not gonna be an offense coordinator, 0:45:54.680 --> 0:45:56.800 I do. I Actually I'm curious your thoughts on that. 0:45:56.840 --> 0:45:58.360 We've talked a little bit. I think we've talked about this. 0:45:58.880 --> 0:46:00.640 The two guys who are under slowk and Houston, and 0:46:00.719 --> 0:46:04.280 one of those guys, especially Ben McDaniels, who is Josh's 0:46:04.320 --> 0:46:06.640 younger brother, who was their passing game coordinator. 0:46:06.760 --> 0:46:11.719 So Slok himself is really young in inexperienced. That's like 0:46:12.360 --> 0:46:13.960 it's kind of like draw it right, Like that's like 0:46:14.000 --> 0:46:16.640 the only knock on him as a head coaching candidate 0:46:16.880 --> 0:46:19.319 is his an experience. So I don't know how much 0:46:19.360 --> 0:46:21.719 experience his other coordinators have. 0:46:22.520 --> 0:46:24.760 Ben's forty three, Ben's been assistance. 0:46:24.840 --> 0:46:27.879 I mean, yeah, yeah, Like Ben McDaniel's an interesting name, 0:46:27.960 --> 0:46:29.960 Like I wish that we could like not have a 0:46:30.040 --> 0:46:35.600 McDaniels or an O'Brien or Patricia. But if he, like, 0:46:35.680 --> 0:46:38.280 why do can we go a little bit further outside? 0:46:38.320 --> 0:46:40.239 If he coordinated Houston's passing game. 0:46:41.960 --> 0:46:45.200 I'm just saying, yeah, I guess, I don't know. I mean, 0:46:45.280 --> 0:46:47.200 I give a lot of that credit to Slock, Like 0:46:47.360 --> 0:46:50.480 I just I look at it similarly to like what's 0:46:50.480 --> 0:46:51.759 going on with the Eagles right now. 0:46:51.760 --> 0:46:55.040 But wasn't Mike McDaniel's passing game coordinator in San Francisco. 0:46:54.600 --> 0:46:58.720 Run game coordinator. But yes, yes, it's a fair point. 0:46:59.200 --> 0:47:02.359 They I look at the Eagles and I look at 0:47:02.400 --> 0:47:07.560 their situation right now as as something to like be 0:47:07.600 --> 0:47:10.840 aware of, and that is they lose both coordinators and 0:47:10.920 --> 0:47:13.799 it falls apart right like, and especially on offense, like 0:47:14.239 --> 0:47:17.080 Shane Steiken walks out the door to Indy. He makes 0:47:17.120 --> 0:47:20.080 Gardner Minshew like a viable starting quarterback for a season, 0:47:20.080 --> 0:47:23.399 and Jalen Hurts has completely fallen off. And I think 0:47:23.440 --> 0:47:27.080 that that's the even when Houston, like Tamiko Ryans, I think, 0:47:27.160 --> 0:47:30.160 is a really really good head coach on the defensive 0:47:30.160 --> 0:47:32.600 side of the ball, good defensive mind, good motivator, all 0:47:32.680 --> 0:47:35.640 that kind of stuff. But when Bobby Slowek leaves to 0:47:35.760 --> 0:47:37.879 coach his own team in a year or this even 0:47:37.960 --> 0:47:41.640 maybe this cycle, next cycle, what's going to happen to CJ. Stroud, 0:47:41.640 --> 0:47:43.960 what's going to happen to the Texans offense? Because history 0:47:44.000 --> 0:47:47.080 tells us that that offense might fall apart. 0:47:47.520 --> 0:47:49.160 Yeah, so then you want like Frank Reich as the 0:47:49.160 --> 0:47:50.000 offensive coordinator. 0:47:51.160 --> 0:47:53.440 Like, I don't know, Like, you know, there's no perfect 0:47:53.480 --> 0:47:56.560 answer because like either you're taking guys that are older, 0:47:56.600 --> 0:47:59.319 that have are kind of established in their ways, like 0:47:59.360 --> 0:48:02.279 a Frank Rye, like an O'Brien, like a McDaniels, or 0:48:02.320 --> 0:48:05.080 you're taking a chance on like a Zach Robinson, who, 0:48:05.120 --> 0:48:06.520 if he hits it out of the park, is going 0:48:06.600 --> 0:48:10.239 to be a head coach in two years. And ideally, 0:48:10.320 --> 0:48:13.000 I think I would go to Zach Robinson route and 0:48:13.120 --> 0:48:16.560 hope that he then nurtures somebody, you know, mentors somebody 0:48:16.600 --> 0:48:19.520 in the building, and then it's a you know, it's 0:48:19.520 --> 0:48:22.120 a passing of the torch. Kind of like Wiss to 0:48:22.200 --> 0:48:26.320 McDaniels was versus starting all over in a new system. 0:48:26.320 --> 0:48:29.200 But the Eagles tried that with Brian Johnson as their 0:48:29.400 --> 0:48:33.520 offensive coordinator when Steiken left, and it didn't work. You know, 0:48:33.560 --> 0:48:36.080 Brian Johnson is not as good as Shane Stikeen. He's 0:48:36.120 --> 0:48:38.399 not as good as a coach, and so they their 0:48:38.400 --> 0:48:42.160 offense is completely fallen apart. It's it's a tough spot 0:48:42.160 --> 0:48:44.799 to be in. And you know, this is why we 0:48:44.880 --> 0:48:47.959 talked so much about hiring an offensive minded head coach, 0:48:48.280 --> 0:48:51.080 is because this is where you're at right as much 0:48:51.120 --> 0:48:54.920 as Girod is. You know, everybody's excited for the Girod 0:48:54.960 --> 0:48:57.959 Mayo era. Like, the offensive coordinator is a major, major 0:48:58.040 --> 0:49:00.399 question mark. Probably. I think the offensive coordinator is big 0:49:00.440 --> 0:49:02.320 of a question mark with his team as the general 0:49:02.360 --> 0:49:06.319 manager is. It's because that's the guy that's gonna be 0:49:06.400 --> 0:49:09.680 developing the guy, right, Like, that's the guy that's going 0:49:09.719 --> 0:49:12.680 to be coaching the quarterback, developing the quarterback, building a 0:49:12.719 --> 0:49:15.120 system around the quarterback. And if you're gonna take a 0:49:15.200 --> 0:49:18.440 quarterback at three and hand him to an inexperienced, defensive 0:49:18.480 --> 0:49:21.440 minded head coach, you better have somebody on the offense 0:49:21.440 --> 0:49:23.680 side of the ball that knows what he's doing, and 0:49:24.040 --> 0:49:26.520 it's that that's probably my biggest concern out of all 0:49:26.560 --> 0:49:29.040 of this. Let's get back to the phones. Roy is 0:49:29.080 --> 0:49:30.200 in Natick. What's up? Roy? 0:49:30.280 --> 0:49:33.680 Wait? Hang on? Two players, sorry, Roy? The two players 0:49:33.719 --> 0:49:37.720 that uh, oh my god, Okay, go Like Tory Horton 0:49:37.719 --> 0:49:39.840 went back to school, so I really liked him, but 0:49:39.880 --> 0:49:42.279 he's out. And then the tackle from Missouri. I haven't 0:49:42.280 --> 0:49:45.080 gotten to uh watch a ton of Javon Foster. I 0:49:45.120 --> 0:49:47.840 like Missouri's offense as a whole as good offense. I 0:49:47.880 --> 0:49:50.240 thought they blocked well as a whole. I gotta focus 0:49:50.280 --> 0:49:51.879 in more on him individually. But he'll be at Senior 0:49:51.920 --> 0:49:53.879 Bowl so a guy will learn more about then. 0:49:54.360 --> 0:49:56.600 Okay, Roy, go ahead. Sorry, we had to talk about 0:49:56.680 --> 0:49:58.400 two udfas before we took your call. 0:49:58.480 --> 0:50:00.279 I mean, Tory Horton is gonna be a or it's 0:50:00.280 --> 0:50:01.319 gonna be a top one hundred. Pick. 0:50:01.360 --> 0:50:01.960 Go ahead, Roy. 0:50:03.640 --> 0:50:06.480 You'd like to propose a trade with the Vikings? Okay, 0:50:06.560 --> 0:50:07.320 first overall? 0:50:07.360 --> 0:50:10.800 Pick the Viking? Do you mean the Bears? 0:50:13.200 --> 0:50:13.279 No? 0:50:13.400 --> 0:50:15.479 I would like to propose a trade where we send 0:50:15.640 --> 0:50:21.719 ke On Wright mac Jones. Who else? 0:50:21.800 --> 0:50:21.960 Oh? 0:50:22.040 --> 0:50:24.799 Viderian Lowe and a and a draft pick for the 0:50:24.920 --> 0:50:26.080 first overall draft pick. 0:50:26.120 --> 0:50:29.040 What do you think for the Bears first overall pick? 0:50:29.120 --> 0:50:31.040 No for the Vikings. He's saying for the Vikings first 0:50:31.080 --> 0:50:31.560 round pick. 0:50:32.120 --> 0:50:32.600 Do you get it? 0:50:32.680 --> 0:50:37.799 Viderian low and ke On White? Uh No, I mean 0:50:37.840 --> 0:50:40.400 we correct all the mistakes of the last three years 0:50:40.440 --> 0:50:41.200 in one trade. 0:50:41.800 --> 0:50:47.160 White a mistake, Well, well, I would rather have taken 0:50:47.200 --> 0:50:50.200 an offensive tackle there, I mean, and that's what I 0:50:50.239 --> 0:50:53.200 would do with the Vikings pick is pick a tackle. 0:50:53.800 --> 0:50:56.960 Okay, that doesn't mean you get rid of good players 0:50:56.239 --> 0:51:00.640 three So you're you're going to give the Vikings three 0:51:00.719 --> 0:51:04.759 players who aren't starting caliber and a project defensive end. 0:51:04.800 --> 0:51:06.520 You think you're getting the eleventh overall pick for that. 0:51:07.840 --> 0:51:13.520 It's more of a joke, just making sure who. 0:51:12.840 --> 0:51:15.120 Was the first overall talented don't you think? 0:51:16.160 --> 0:51:17.520 Yeah, he could have been a first round pick. 0:51:18.480 --> 0:51:21.680 Yeah, honestly, I mean, you know, these are the players 0:51:21.719 --> 0:51:25.120 that Bill made a mistake on right White instead of 0:51:25.160 --> 0:51:29.400 taking an offensive tackle, Mac Jones instead of you know, 0:51:29.480 --> 0:51:31.080 waiting for on a quarterback. 0:51:31.640 --> 0:51:35.560 So I mean, I mean, you know we could clear 0:51:35.640 --> 0:51:37.320 all that and mess up in one trade. 0:51:38.120 --> 0:51:40.920 Okay, I get the point, thanks for the Colroy, that's 0:51:41.000 --> 0:51:43.759 not you're not getting a first round pick for that package. 0:51:44.080 --> 0:51:47.400 And Venerian Lowe was traded or cut by the Vikings 0:51:47.440 --> 0:51:50.439 right to the Patriots last offseason. Yeah, so he's already 0:51:50.440 --> 0:51:52.000 been in that building. So I don't know where that 0:51:52.040 --> 0:51:52.560 trade came from. 0:51:52.600 --> 0:51:56.839 Well, let's trade. Uh, let's trade who do they still 0:51:56.840 --> 0:51:59.080 have the rights to. Let's let's trade. Uh, you know 0:51:59.440 --> 0:52:02.280 James Fair and who else was on the practice squad 0:52:02.320 --> 0:52:05.160 and all those guys will see be nice. It's the old, 0:52:05.600 --> 0:52:07.120 the old Madden thing that used to be a glitterer. 0:52:07.160 --> 0:52:09.000 If you just put enough players in the trade, you 0:52:09.000 --> 0:52:10.200 could get a first pick. 0:52:10.480 --> 0:52:15.000 So his point though, of some of these guys that 0:52:15.600 --> 0:52:18.520 he feels that Bill made a mistake. Yeah, like Vaderian Lowe, 0:52:19.680 --> 0:52:22.600 Let's just like call Vaderian low what he was. Vadarian 0:52:22.640 --> 0:52:25.400 Lowe was like their sixth tackle that had to play. 0:52:25.480 --> 0:52:28.480 Like that wasn't like Bill Belichick traded for Vederia. I 0:52:28.480 --> 0:52:30.359 think they traded for him, right, I keep saying that, 0:52:30.400 --> 0:52:33.680 But that's not like they traded for Verderian Lowe thinking 0:52:33.680 --> 0:52:35.719 that he was Joe Thomas right, right, Like it just 0:52:36.160 --> 0:52:40.120 that one was a depth acquisition. They needed depth in 0:52:40.239 --> 0:52:43.600 bodies at that position and he was available. That's all 0:52:43.600 --> 0:52:46.879 that was. What did you make of you know, to 0:52:46.880 --> 0:52:51.160 get back to like real real world, not La la land. Yeah, 0:52:51.560 --> 0:52:53.560 what what did you make of Mac being there yesterday? 0:52:55.040 --> 0:52:57.759 You know, he's always he's always sounded pretty supportive. I 0:52:57.800 --> 0:53:00.759 thought that was interesting, and he definitely seems like the 0:53:00.800 --> 0:53:02.840 kind of guy that he's going to fight for the 0:53:02.920 --> 0:53:04.239 job as long as he has a chance to fight 0:53:04.280 --> 0:53:06.000 for it. You know, maybe he does ultimately end up 0:53:06.000 --> 0:53:08.440 getting traded. Maybe he doesn't know his future, but I 0:53:08.480 --> 0:53:10.399 do think he still wants to be a starting quarter 0:53:10.400 --> 0:53:11.520 I mean I think he wants to be a starting 0:53:11.600 --> 0:53:13.759 quarterback anywhere. But this is the team he currently plays for. 0:53:14.160 --> 0:53:15.960 It's a good show is support for the coach, and 0:53:16.000 --> 0:53:18.600 I think he did it to kind of show like, hey, 0:53:18.600 --> 0:53:21.080 I'm still invested. Yeah, if I'm still on your roster, 0:53:21.200 --> 0:53:23.919 I'm still invested. I'm still bought in. I think that's 0:53:23.920 --> 0:53:25.960 what that was. Maybe it was a little bit of 0:53:25.960 --> 0:53:28.080 something that Bill too, that he's there for the new guy, 0:53:28.200 --> 0:53:31.080 but I kind of took it as as in it 0:53:31.200 --> 0:53:32.799 like I'm not taking my ball and going home. 0:53:33.000 --> 0:53:36.239 Yeah, right, Yeah, I don't think he's ever really that 0:53:36.280 --> 0:53:38.680 type of stuff. I've never really questioned with Mac Jones 0:53:38.800 --> 0:53:43.239 right commitment, work ethic. You know, he the last couple 0:53:43.320 --> 0:53:45.480 off seasons and I'm assuming this one because he was 0:53:45.520 --> 0:53:48.680 there yesterday, he stayed local and has worked out at 0:53:48.680 --> 0:53:51.560 the facility. Right, He's done his off season training at 0:53:51.560 --> 0:53:54.520 the facility. He's throwing you know, on the practice fields, 0:53:54.520 --> 0:53:56.359 on the bubble, you know, things like that with his 0:53:56.520 --> 0:53:59.280 with his people. So he's done a lot of his work. 0:53:59.360 --> 0:54:01.480 You know, it's not like he's one of these, especially him. 0:54:01.520 --> 0:54:04.200 You know, he's from the Florida Jacksonville area. It's not 0:54:04.280 --> 0:54:07.080 like he's going home to Florida and working out there 0:54:07.120 --> 0:54:10.280 all off season. He's He's stayed local and stayed here, 0:54:10.640 --> 0:54:12.640 So I'm not surprised that he's local or that he's 0:54:12.640 --> 0:54:14.000 here for that. 0:54:14.080 --> 0:54:16.560 Well, he might also, I mean John Jones flew up, Yeah, 0:54:16.600 --> 0:54:18.719 but no himself. I just wanted to mention that John 0:54:18.800 --> 0:54:20.360 Jones is the pilot, flew himself up. 0:54:20.880 --> 0:54:22.840 But I'm sure that Mac is. 0:54:24.280 --> 0:54:26.120 It would make sense that he'd be local. But yeah, no, 0:54:26.160 --> 0:54:27.879 I think it was a show of support. I think 0:54:27.880 --> 0:54:30.160 it was him showing he still bought in, which doesn't 0:54:30.160 --> 0:54:33.640 surprise me. Now, buying only gets you so far. And 0:54:34.000 --> 0:54:36.000 if he actually does want to stay and win the job, 0:54:36.040 --> 0:54:37.640 he's got to improve on a lot of things that 0:54:37.680 --> 0:54:39.560 went wrong for him last year. I'm not saying he 0:54:39.600 --> 0:54:41.120 showed up at the press conference he's going to be 0:54:41.160 --> 0:54:44.520 the starting quarterback week one, but I think he was saying, like, hey, 0:54:44.560 --> 0:54:46.680 I like you know, I think a lot of people 0:54:46.719 --> 0:54:49.000 expected him to he lost his starting job last year 0:54:49.000 --> 0:54:50.960 and just kind of ride off into the sunset. I 0:54:51.000 --> 0:54:52.600 don't think that's going to be his mentality. I think 0:54:52.600 --> 0:54:53.880 as long as he's here, he's going to fight for 0:54:53.920 --> 0:54:55.480 the job. And if he gets traded, he'll fight for 0:54:55.520 --> 0:54:56.840 the job wherever he gets traded to. 0:54:57.000 --> 0:55:01.200 That'll be fascinating if they draft the quarterback, And it 0:55:01.200 --> 0:55:03.799 would be very bad if they draft a quarterback at 0:55:03.800 --> 0:55:06.239 three overall and Macjones beats him, beats him out in 0:55:06.280 --> 0:55:09.040 training camp, But it would be very interesting if it 0:55:09.120 --> 0:55:12.680 is at least an argument that Mac Jones or even 0:55:12.719 --> 0:55:15.759 Bailey z Happy for that matter, is playing better next 0:55:15.800 --> 0:55:17.319 summer than the quarterback that they draft. 0:55:17.360 --> 0:55:19.200 Well, would make it interesting. And we kind of did 0:55:19.239 --> 0:55:22.000 this with Mac and Cam you're talking about two different 0:55:22.000 --> 0:55:24.040 offense whoever they draft. You just touched on it that 0:55:25.200 --> 0:55:27.160 whoever they draft in the first round, if they draft 0:55:27.160 --> 0:55:29.120 Bo Knicks, it's going to be similar. But I also 0:55:29.200 --> 0:55:32.040 think Mac Jones could be out Bo Nicks as a rookie. 0:55:32.520 --> 0:55:34.160 If they drafting those top thre guys, is going to 0:55:34.160 --> 0:55:36.200 be completely different offense. So then you run into that 0:55:36.200 --> 0:55:39.120 thing because remember Max's rookie year, he didn't really run 0:55:39.160 --> 0:55:42.080 the offense he was gonna run in camp. He ran 0:55:42.120 --> 0:55:44.759 like a modified version of the Cam Newton offense with 0:55:44.840 --> 0:55:46.759 the second string, and then they kind of had to 0:55:46.760 --> 0:55:48.799 rewrite the thing in the whole two weeks before the 0:55:48.840 --> 0:55:51.520 start of the season. So it definitely would be interesting 0:55:51.680 --> 0:55:54.920 in that regard. But I think if they take a 0:55:55.000 --> 0:55:57.560 quarterback in the first round, Mac Jones won't be here 0:55:57.600 --> 0:55:58.319 at the start camp. 0:55:58.400 --> 0:56:00.200 Yeah, I think that would make the most sense. I 0:56:00.200 --> 0:56:02.359 think it just adds a lot of Now you have 0:56:02.400 --> 0:56:04.880 two first round pokes on your roster, and both that 0:56:04.920 --> 0:56:06.239 you drafted, and it's just. 0:56:06.440 --> 0:56:10.040 We talked a lot with Mac about, you know, stop 0:56:10.080 --> 0:56:12.239 making it hard for him, start, stop giving them all 0:56:12.239 --> 0:56:15.320 these mental tests. Same thing with the new guy and Frankly, 0:56:15.360 --> 0:56:17.239 it's not fair to either of them. It's bad for 0:56:17.280 --> 0:56:19.319 the development. Not that they should necessarily care about Mac 0:56:19.360 --> 0:56:21.719 Joe's development, who's not going to be here, but it's 0:56:21.760 --> 0:56:24.440 not good for either guy if they're both in the building, 0:56:24.480 --> 0:56:26.160 if they draft a quarterback in the first round, they 0:56:26.200 --> 0:56:27.120 have to move on from Mac. 0:56:27.320 --> 0:56:29.560 Yeah, I agree with that. All right. Hector is in Maine. 0:56:29.600 --> 0:56:32.200 What's up, Hector? Hey guys. 0:56:32.280 --> 0:56:34.799 First, I'm looking to the show, really enjoying it. 0:56:34.880 --> 0:56:35.600 Great, Thank you. 0:56:37.040 --> 0:56:39.319 So, Uh, the only thing I want to bring up 0:56:39.600 --> 0:56:43.360 when it comes to quarterback and looking around the league, 0:56:44.200 --> 0:56:48.320 I think it'd be a viable trade to maybe offer 0:56:48.400 --> 0:56:52.279 the Bears a third for field. They're not hurting with 0:56:52.400 --> 0:56:56.640 draft picks, they have the first through their trade, and 0:56:57.360 --> 0:57:02.920 I think we'd get a league and quarterback that is 0:57:03.000 --> 0:57:06.200 not he's had I think similar issues to Mac where 0:57:06.200 --> 0:57:09.600 he's had different coaches and coordinators over the years, and 0:57:09.719 --> 0:57:12.600 we'd get I think a better opportunity to win than 0:57:12.680 --> 0:57:16.640 drafting our quarterback because it didn't work out with Mac, 0:57:16.720 --> 0:57:21.280 and historically drafted quarterback it's hit or myth, So I 0:57:21.320 --> 0:57:24.040 why take the shot and put weapons around field? 0:57:25.080 --> 0:57:27.760 Yeah, that's right, Jake thanks for the call, Hector. This 0:57:27.800 --> 0:57:30.160 is gonna be a popular question. Yeah, about Justin Fields. 0:57:30.200 --> 0:57:33.000 I think the biggest thing with Justin Fields is that 0:57:33.640 --> 0:57:36.000 you're gonna have to pay him, right, So it's not 0:57:36.400 --> 0:57:39.840 just you know, Mac has fifth year option decisions this offseason, 0:57:39.880 --> 0:57:42.800 so is Justin Fields right? So yes, you get him 0:57:42.840 --> 0:57:44.760 for one year on the fourth year of his rookie 0:57:44.760 --> 0:57:47.640 deal at an affordable cost, But as soon after that 0:57:47.760 --> 0:57:50.080 it's gonna go up and up and up, and if 0:57:50.080 --> 0:57:52.440 he ends up playing well, then you don't really care 0:57:52.480 --> 0:57:54.160 what you pay him. Right, if you're paying him forty 0:57:54.200 --> 0:57:56.160 five million dollars a year to be a franchise quarterback 0:57:56.200 --> 0:57:57.040 than what difference is, But. 0:57:57.080 --> 0:57:59.280 The whole putting talent around him kind of comes off 0:57:59.280 --> 0:58:02.200 the table for the most part, for the most I mean, yeah, 0:58:02.240 --> 0:58:05.280 the cap can be maneuvered, but yeah, because there's so 0:58:05.400 --> 0:58:10.040 much value in having a quarterback on a rookie contract 0:58:10.200 --> 0:58:13.240 and you're punting on essentially really four years of that 0:58:13.360 --> 0:58:15.760 three years, but kind of four years of it if 0:58:15.760 --> 0:58:20.080 you add Justin Fields. Does Justin Fields have some upside? Yes? Absolutely? Yeah, 0:58:20.120 --> 0:58:27.520 But now maybe it's so I I don't know how 0:58:27.520 --> 0:58:28.920 I feel about this. I had the thought, and then 0:58:28.960 --> 0:58:31.080 I kind of didn't like it. Would you trade mac 0:58:31.200 --> 0:58:33.240 Jones and maybe like a fourth for Justin Fields, and 0:58:33.320 --> 0:58:35.800 Justin Fields becomes your bridge guy for Jaydon Daniels or 0:58:35.880 --> 0:58:38.640 Drake May and he gets a chance to showcase what 0:58:38.680 --> 0:58:40.920 he can do, and then if he's good, great, you 0:58:41.000 --> 0:58:42.640 trade him and it's another guy you get to put 0:58:42.680 --> 0:58:45.640 around whichever quarterback. Now, it's kind of like what the 0:58:45.720 --> 0:58:48.080 Niners as I'm saying, and it's very dangerously close to 0:58:48.080 --> 0:58:50.240 Trey Land. So I'm gonna retract that and say nevermind. 0:58:50.320 --> 0:58:54.640 But I just yeah, part of the value in drafting 0:58:54.680 --> 0:58:57.400 the quarterback. And again, I know it's scary. Like he said, 0:58:57.440 --> 0:59:01.080 you get a league proven quarterback if it's Remember I 0:59:01.360 --> 0:59:02.960 said the other the thing the other day about the 0:59:03.000 --> 0:59:05.880 quarterback carousel. There's one hundred doors and behind ninety nine 0:59:05.880 --> 0:59:08.800 of them is nothing but darkness and nothingness and despair 0:59:08.920 --> 0:59:11.360 and terror. And you don't know which door you're opening. 0:59:11.520 --> 0:59:13.600 That's where we are. That being said, you got to 0:59:13.640 --> 0:59:16.000 open the door. You gotta open, and you gotta rip 0:59:16.040 --> 0:59:17.440 the band aid off, and you gotta just do it 0:59:17.480 --> 0:59:21.880 because the upside if you hit on the quarterback is 0:59:22.040 --> 0:59:26.320 so so so much higher than you know, I think 0:59:26.360 --> 0:59:28.680 the upside maybe with Justin Fields it's a little higher, 0:59:28.720 --> 0:59:31.520 but you know, and a guy like Kirk Cousins or 0:59:31.600 --> 0:59:33.720 I don't think Baker's gonna be available. Baker's the one 0:59:33.840 --> 0:59:37.200 veteran I would consider. But if the Bucks don't resign Baker, 0:59:37.200 --> 0:59:39.080 people should be fired. Like that's simple. 0:59:39.160 --> 0:59:43.680 The Bucks, Baker's franchise town right, No. 0:59:43.640 --> 0:59:45.960 He'll be there. But the whole thing about like a veteran, 0:59:47.480 --> 0:59:52.040 veteran quarterback or whatever the ceiling for that you're you're 0:59:52.080 --> 0:59:55.520 talking about Kirk Cousins. This isn't I feel like people, 0:59:55.960 --> 0:59:57.920 and I've given this take before, but I feel like 0:59:57.920 --> 1:00:00.720 people saw there was this run in the last decade 1:00:01.400 --> 1:00:05.440 of quarterback like superstar quarterbacks moving late in their careers, 1:00:05.440 --> 1:00:08.040 and started with Peyton when he went to Denver, and 1:00:08.080 --> 1:00:10.680 then you see a guy like Brady leave, and to 1:00:10.760 --> 1:00:13.360 some lesser extents, you had Rivers, you had Matt Ryan, 1:00:13.840 --> 1:00:18.760 Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson. That happened because there was such 1:00:18.760 --> 1:00:21.760 a surplus of quarterback talent in the NFL, and not 1:00:21.920 --> 1:00:24.640 just there were more good quarterbacks than there had ever been. 1:00:25.320 --> 1:00:28.120 They were all playing into their late thirties and early forties, 1:00:28.400 --> 1:00:31.120 and it there was just a surplus at this position 1:00:31.200 --> 1:00:35.960 that's not supposed to happen. That's over, that's done. Wilson 1:00:36.080 --> 1:00:39.360 was the last one. I don't know who else from that, like, 1:00:39.400 --> 1:00:42.360 who were the veteran quarterbacks that would move. The next 1:00:42.480 --> 1:00:48.040 true established starting quarterback that might move is Trevor Lawrence. 1:00:48.560 --> 1:00:50.520 But if he does that, he probably had a pretty 1:00:50.560 --> 1:00:51.959 bad year next year. 1:00:52.080 --> 1:00:55.280 I also think that he's moving more so because the 1:00:55.360 --> 1:00:57.560 Jaguars are a dumpster fire, like just because. 1:00:59.600 --> 1:01:02.040 That's but the idea that like, oh well, look the 1:01:02.120 --> 1:01:05.720 Bucks traded for for Brady and it worked, and even 1:01:05.760 --> 1:01:07.480 you can say, you know, Rivers got the Colts to 1:01:07.520 --> 1:01:09.440 the playoffs. It wasn't great, but Rivers got the Colts 1:01:09.440 --> 1:01:13.200 of the playoffs and right things like that. The ceiling 1:01:13.240 --> 1:01:14.720 on that kind of move now with the guys were 1:01:14.760 --> 1:01:17.880 available is Geno Smith and the Seahawks, And that's been 1:01:17.880 --> 1:01:20.520 a fun story. And I'm happy for Gino that he's, 1:01:20.640 --> 1:01:22.040 you know, playing well in all of that. 1:01:22.240 --> 1:01:22.960 Happy for him. 1:01:23.320 --> 1:01:26.200 Where are they happy for the guy? Where are they? 1:01:26.240 --> 1:01:27.360 Where are the Seahawks right now? 1:01:27.400 --> 1:01:29.320 Sending Pete Carrol upstairs. 1:01:28.880 --> 1:01:32.360 Exactly so it's because you have to pay the guy. 1:01:32.840 --> 1:01:35.200 There isn't as much room for development. A lot of 1:01:35.240 --> 1:01:36.720 these times the older a lot of the times the 1:01:36.760 --> 1:01:38.880 older quarterbacks are set in their ways. So if you're 1:01:38.960 --> 1:01:44.040 not a scheme in like justin fields is a little different, 1:01:44.080 --> 1:01:45.520 but it's still that idea where like you're gonna have 1:01:45.560 --> 1:01:48.760 to pay him and his development windows kind of closing, 1:01:48.800 --> 1:01:52.880 like he's there, who he is, it's like paying him. 1:01:53.280 --> 1:01:56.400 And then also that that last part, like it is 1:01:57.680 --> 1:01:59.919 a lot of his flaws right now as a past 1:02:00.640 --> 1:02:03.640 are very similar to Jayden Daniels's flaws as a passer. 1:02:03.960 --> 1:02:07.680 So why wouldn't you take the younger, cheaper version, Like 1:02:07.760 --> 1:02:09.280 why would you. 1:02:08.760 --> 1:02:10.040 You have more time to develop? 1:02:10.120 --> 1:02:13.120 The only difference is is like I get the caller's point, and. 1:02:13.080 --> 1:02:15.200 We just I would just say before people. Yet they're 1:02:15.200 --> 1:02:18.440 gonna say, oh, Jade Daniels only a year younger. Justin fields, 1:02:18.440 --> 1:02:22.000 football years, it's different. Well, it's it's just contractual years, 1:02:22.360 --> 1:02:24.400 you're well, it's also football years. I think if you've 1:02:24.400 --> 1:02:26.280 been in the NFL for a certain amount of time 1:02:26.320 --> 1:02:28.640 and you haven't adjusted, that's a sign that you're not 1:02:28.680 --> 1:02:31.600 going to adjust. Jade Daniels is still more multiple, He 1:02:31.720 --> 1:02:33.560 still more of a piece of play than a guy 1:02:33.640 --> 1:02:34.320 like Justin Fields. 1:02:34.480 --> 1:02:38.240 Yeah, I mean, obviously the Devil's advocate is that now 1:02:38.280 --> 1:02:40.200 you're not using your first round pick on a quarterback. 1:02:40.240 --> 1:02:42.560 So the first round pick becomes Marvin Harrison Junior becomes 1:02:42.640 --> 1:02:45.560 Joeall and now you're getting a guy with a little 1:02:45.560 --> 1:02:47.360 bit of a higher ceiling than Mac Jones at the 1:02:47.440 --> 1:02:51.080 quarterback position, and you're still and you're getting a big 1:02:51.080 --> 1:02:53.200 time player at the top of the draft. Whereas if 1:02:53.200 --> 1:02:55.600 you just take Jayden Daniels, you just have Jaden Daniels. 1:02:55.640 --> 1:02:58.560 So would you rather Justin Fields and Marvin Harrison Junior 1:02:58.880 --> 1:02:59.840 or Jaden Daniels. 1:03:00.200 --> 1:03:03.000 I'd rather Jane Daniels and T Higgins or Jane Daniels 1:03:03.000 --> 1:03:04.840 and Mike Evans. And that's where that comes in, Like 1:03:04.840 --> 1:03:06.720 they got to be willing to spend to make this work. 1:03:06.760 --> 1:03:09.240 And that was the big misstep. And this was in 1:03:09.280 --> 1:03:11.800 I think that again I'm getting all of these inside 1:03:11.840 --> 1:03:14.400 look pieces mixed up because there were so many of them. 1:03:14.520 --> 1:03:16.360 I believe it was Jeff Howe who wrote about this 1:03:16.480 --> 1:03:19.880 about you know, they drafted Mac Jones and didn't really 1:03:19.920 --> 1:03:22.640 do anything after that, they didn't really invest in the offense. 1:03:22.640 --> 1:03:24.480 They used a first round pick on a guard, they 1:03:24.560 --> 1:03:26.760 used a second round pick on a receiver. They traded 1:03:26.800 --> 1:03:28.680 a third round pick for a receiver. That was really 1:03:28.680 --> 1:03:31.680 it in terms of premium editions. Pop Douglass was a hit, 1:03:31.720 --> 1:03:33.680 but he's a sixth round pick. Kendrick Bourne was nice, 1:03:33.680 --> 1:03:37.200 but he wasn't highly paid. Even you know, Nelson Aglore 1:03:37.320 --> 1:03:38.960 was not highly paid. I know people thought they game 1:03:39.000 --> 1:03:40.800 a lot of money. They made him the twenty third 1:03:40.880 --> 1:03:43.400 highest paid receiver in football when they signed him. That's 1:03:43.400 --> 1:03:46.360 not a premium edition. I say all of this about 1:03:46.360 --> 1:03:49.120 the quarterback hoping that this time it's different and they 1:03:49.120 --> 1:03:51.440 get aggressive and adding pass catching talent. 1:03:51.760 --> 1:03:55.000 Fast guys the draft, fast guys, no I want. 1:03:55.360 --> 1:03:58.880 I want good players, So draft good players. I'm hoping 1:03:59.000 --> 1:04:01.360 or signed good players. Frankly, I'm hoping they get more 1:04:01.360 --> 1:04:04.080 aggressive and putting the talent around the quarterback this time. 1:04:04.200 --> 1:04:06.160 But that to me is the big part, and for 1:04:06.200 --> 1:04:08.120 what it sort, I still think you can get an 1:04:08.120 --> 1:04:10.320 impact receiver on Day two in this draft. I still 1:04:10.320 --> 1:04:12.479 think you can get an impact tackle in the second round. 1:04:12.600 --> 1:04:14.440 I don't know about the third round, but I still 1:04:14.480 --> 1:04:16.200 think you can do that. Maybe not gonna be a 1:04:16.200 --> 1:04:19.120 perennial All Pro like Joe Balt, but they're certainly gonna 1:04:19.120 --> 1:04:19.640 be good enough. 1:04:19.880 --> 1:04:23.200 Yeah. So I the receivers in this class especially, I 1:04:23.240 --> 1:04:25.720 think the depth of this class is as deep as 1:04:25.720 --> 1:04:28.200 I've ever seen real It's there might be like twenty 1:04:28.280 --> 1:04:29.959 receivers taken in the first three rounds. 1:04:29.960 --> 1:04:31.560 I've said this seven I've said this to you. There 1:04:31.560 --> 1:04:34.040 are guys that are probably gonna go early on Day two. 1:04:34.160 --> 1:04:36.720 I look at the two Texas guys in particular, Savior 1:04:36.760 --> 1:04:39.760 Worthy in ad Mitchell. Both of those guys are either 1:04:39.760 --> 1:04:42.400 wide receiver one or wide receiver two for me last year, Like, 1:04:42.760 --> 1:04:45.440 those are guys I'm taking last year top twenty, and 1:04:45.480 --> 1:04:47.840 they're gonna go probably outside of the first round. 1:04:48.000 --> 1:04:50.200 Yeah, even like a guy you know, I really like 1:04:50.280 --> 1:04:54.040 Roman Wilson a lot from Michigan. Yeah, he's gonna be 1:04:54.560 --> 1:04:57.400 in play with the Patriots third round pick probably right. 1:04:57.440 --> 1:04:58.680 And you know what, if you miss him, you get 1:04:58.720 --> 1:05:01.160 Jermain Burton from Alabama, who very similar player. It's gonna 1:05:01.160 --> 1:05:01.840 be a fourth round pick. 1:05:01.920 --> 1:05:04.479 Roman Wilson's got some Aman Ross Saint Brown vibes. 1:05:04.560 --> 1:05:06.200 You think so? Yeah, I feel like he's much faster. 1:05:06.520 --> 1:05:08.120 I think he's got some aman Ross. 1:05:08.120 --> 1:05:09.640 I I kind of see where you're coming from. But like, 1:05:09.880 --> 1:05:12.520 I think he's more explosive. No, uh, I don't think 1:05:12.560 --> 1:05:14.440 he's a shifty I think he's more fast than quick. 1:05:14.720 --> 1:05:16.840 I think that I think in the NFL he'll be 1:05:16.880 --> 1:05:19.200 more quick than he is fast because I think those 1:05:19.240 --> 1:05:22.600 types of guys. I don't think that Roman Wilson has 1:05:22.680 --> 1:05:25.600 like two true top end speed, but in the college 1:05:25.640 --> 1:05:28.160 game he does, you know, like a guy like Pop 1:05:28.200 --> 1:05:32.600 Douglas really like he's really really fast, but in short 1:05:32.680 --> 1:05:35.400 bursts right like in the league he's not Tyreek Hill, 1:05:35.520 --> 1:05:38.240 He's not He's not taking the top up at Liberty, 1:05:38.280 --> 1:05:39.320 he was taking the top. 1:05:39.400 --> 1:05:41.440 I have another aman Ross Saint Brown komp in this 1:05:41.520 --> 1:05:44.000 draft is Jacob Colling from Arizona. You'll see him at 1:05:44.040 --> 1:05:44.560 the Senior Bowl. 1:05:44.800 --> 1:05:45.000 Yeah. 1:05:45.120 --> 1:05:47.280 I was I was a big not to like toot 1:05:47.280 --> 1:05:49.440 my own horn like, but I was a big armine. 1:05:50.920 --> 1:05:54.840 And uh, those types of guys, the crafty guys that 1:05:54.960 --> 1:06:00.000 still have enough athleticism, speed burst agility like those are they. 1:06:00.200 --> 1:06:02.840 And I always gravitate towards and I've always said it's 1:06:02.880 --> 1:06:06.800 like take Jacoby Flowers. Take Jacoby Myers. Yeah, but first 1:06:06.920 --> 1:06:09.600 or second round Jacoby Myers, right, like, don't take the 1:06:09.640 --> 1:06:12.560 guy that was a quarterback to start thenning receiver then 1:06:12.600 --> 1:06:14.840 ran a four seven. Well that me is take the 1:06:14.880 --> 1:06:16.120 four or five Jacoby Myers. 1:06:16.200 --> 1:06:18.480 That to me is Jalen Polk from Washington. Yeah. I 1:06:18.520 --> 1:06:21.439 love him too, yeah, he he. I don't think he's 1:06:21.480 --> 1:06:24.160 as as heady as Jacoby was, at least not yet. 1:06:24.600 --> 1:06:27.640 But his like, I know he had the big game 1:06:28.360 --> 1:06:31.120 against Texas where he was catching all these downfield passes. 1:06:31.120 --> 1:06:33.040 But I look at him, I see a guy that 1:06:33.040 --> 1:06:35.560 can be an elite chain mover in the NFL. In elite, 1:06:35.600 --> 1:06:37.800 you know, third and six, he's gonna get open. He's 1:06:37.800 --> 1:06:39.400 gonna find a way to get open at seven yards. 1:06:39.440 --> 1:06:42.880 He's got very reliable hands, he's got a good catch radius. 1:06:43.200 --> 1:06:45.840 He yeah, he's kind of that Jacoby guide. I mean 1:06:45.840 --> 1:06:48.560 maybe he's a little more explosive, doesn't necessarily read the 1:06:48.600 --> 1:06:52.040 field as well. But there's some interesting slot guy that's 1:06:52.080 --> 1:06:53.480 and that's the other thing. Like last year, remember it 1:06:53.480 --> 1:06:57.919 was all slot guys. Yeah, it was all js zay 1:06:58.360 --> 1:07:00.160 we were talking about. I mean, Quentin Johnson was the 1:07:00.200 --> 1:07:04.080 one kind of X. But told you Eldrew this this year, 1:07:04.240 --> 1:07:07.760 guy's got what what do you want? Describe a receiver 1:07:07.920 --> 1:07:10.600 and there's a guy or more. There might be two 1:07:10.720 --> 1:07:13.240 or three in the top one hundred that fit that description. 1:07:13.280 --> 1:07:16.720 It's a very diverse group. It's a very deep group. 1:07:17.240 --> 1:07:20.280 This is a very, very, very good I remember saying 1:07:20.320 --> 1:07:22.000 last year is a bad year to need a receiver, 1:07:22.360 --> 1:07:24.480 and people say, oh, you always say that, Not this year, 1:07:25.040 --> 1:07:27.160 not this year. And you look at the free agency 1:07:27.160 --> 1:07:29.560 class too, This is a good year to need a receiver. 1:07:29.640 --> 1:07:32.080 This is a buyer's market if you need a receiver. 1:07:32.320 --> 1:07:35.040 I think that that could also. It's not gonna impact 1:07:35.120 --> 1:07:37.240 like the t higgins Is of the world. Yeah, he's 1:07:37.240 --> 1:07:39.560 still gonna get paid, as my voice is going out, 1:07:39.600 --> 1:07:42.520 but I think that it will impact sort of like 1:07:42.560 --> 1:07:47.439 the Kendrick Bournes of free agency. And I love Kendrick Bourne. 1:07:47.440 --> 1:07:49.480 I'm not trying to like take his money from him, right, 1:07:49.520 --> 1:07:52.320 But with Kendrick Bourne, that type of player, I think 1:07:52.320 --> 1:07:54.160 a lot of teams are gonna look at it and say, 1:07:54.520 --> 1:07:56.400 we can just get Kendrick Bourn in the fourth or 1:07:56.440 --> 1:07:58.280 third round in this draft, Like why are we gonna 1:07:58.280 --> 1:08:00.960 pay Kendrick Bourne twelve million dollars year when we can 1:08:01.000 --> 1:08:03.440 just draft it for for a quarter of the price. 1:08:04.000 --> 1:08:06.400 The Patriots probably shouldn't operate like that just because of 1:08:06.440 --> 1:08:09.360 their developmental history at the position. But teams that are 1:08:09.400 --> 1:08:12.320 really good at developing receivers, I think that they're gonna 1:08:12.320 --> 1:08:14.480 look at guys like you know, in that mid tier 1:08:14.520 --> 1:08:17.599 free agency class at the position, and they're gonna say, 1:08:17.800 --> 1:08:19.720 this draft, we can just kind of draft that guy. 1:08:19.960 --> 1:08:22.479 So Kendrick Bourne's value might not be as high as 1:08:22.479 --> 1:08:23.519 it would be in other years. 1:08:23.479 --> 1:08:25.360 The guy like Thrash from Louisville. 1:08:25.760 --> 1:08:30.840 Yeah, so, uh, you mentioned Polk, you mentioned I love 1:08:30.920 --> 1:08:33.080 both Texas guys, but I feel like they're gonna go. 1:08:33.960 --> 1:08:35.680 You're gonna have to take one of those guys at 1:08:35.680 --> 1:08:37.520 thirty four at the at the lowest. 1:08:37.240 --> 1:08:37.880 I'd be okay with that. 1:08:38.600 --> 1:08:40.720 It depends on what you do attack, I guess, yeah, yeah, 1:08:40.800 --> 1:08:44.000 that's this tackle class drops off, and if you don't 1:08:44.000 --> 1:08:45.920 take a tackle at thirty four, I'm worried. 1:08:45.640 --> 1:08:47.600 That you're you're probably gonna miss it. I mean you 1:08:47.640 --> 1:08:49.599 could trade up, you could get aggressive and trade up. 1:08:50.040 --> 1:08:52.120 God forbid, you know you do you actually trade. 1:08:52.200 --> 1:08:54.640 There's other guys that like further down Malachai Cory's an 1:08:54.680 --> 1:08:57.719 interesting one from Western Kentucky. He put up massive numbers. 1:08:57.840 --> 1:08:59.880 I don't want to say a wide receiver. Bailey's appy, 1:09:00.240 --> 1:09:03.200 but there is a little bit of that. 1:09:02.240 --> 1:09:03.200 That's not gonna sell people. 1:09:03.240 --> 1:09:05.759 I know it's not. It's just so easy. 1:09:05.880 --> 1:09:06.000 Uh. 1:09:07.439 --> 1:09:09.479 I don't eve remember what kind of receiver we were talking about. 1:09:09.560 --> 1:09:11.320 I was just well, so, I guess this is my 1:09:11.360 --> 1:09:13.960 other question too, as we get into this, is that 1:09:15.720 --> 1:09:18.000 I think if you look at them historically, yeah, and 1:09:18.040 --> 1:09:20.320 I get that it's not Bill anymore, and we maybe 1:09:20.320 --> 1:09:22.240 maybe we get lucky and this changes. 1:09:21.920 --> 1:09:24.160 How this is again, tell me who's coordinating. 1:09:24.000 --> 1:09:27.360 Right, maybe the new coordinator, new wide receiver coach, like 1:09:27.400 --> 1:09:30.000 they go to all of a sudden being the Pittsburgh Steelers. 1:09:30.000 --> 1:09:32.840 I don't know, right, but the position that they have 1:09:32.840 --> 1:09:35.320 struggled with the most is obviously the X spot right, 1:09:35.360 --> 1:09:38.760 the true perimeter outside receiver. They've been able to get 1:09:38.760 --> 1:09:42.880 the inside guys like Jacoby Myers, Pop Douglas, you know, 1:09:42.960 --> 1:09:45.040 even Kedrick Bourne right Like, they've been able to get 1:09:45.080 --> 1:09:48.200 those z slock guys and have get guys to produce 1:09:48.240 --> 1:09:51.200 in that spot. That's why I feel like, if you're 1:09:51.240 --> 1:09:54.439 gonna go as much as I love, you know, some 1:09:54.520 --> 1:09:58.120 of these x's in this class, like like an ad Mitchell, 1:09:58.200 --> 1:10:01.080 who I think is a really really intriguing player early 1:10:01.160 --> 1:10:03.280 on Day two, but as much as I like those 1:10:03.320 --> 1:10:05.800 types of guys, if you're gonna go that direction, I 1:10:05.800 --> 1:10:08.960 feel like paying the proven commodity for the Patriots at 1:10:08.960 --> 1:10:12.200 outside receivers like a T Higgins, even like a Michael Pittman, 1:10:12.200 --> 1:10:14.519 Like I'm not paying Michael Pittman as much as T Higgins, 1:10:14.520 --> 1:10:18.080 but those types of guys, and then supplementing that with 1:10:18.240 --> 1:10:20.439 a Day two draft pick at the position that's more 1:10:20.479 --> 1:10:23.280 your type of guy that fits more what you do. 1:10:23.760 --> 1:10:25.800 I think that that's probably the smartest way for them 1:10:25.800 --> 1:10:29.320 to go. Pittman. Obviously, I know you like Mike Evans. 1:10:29.360 --> 1:10:31.400 I'm a little bit worried about him falling off, But 1:10:31.439 --> 1:10:32.960 Mike Evans, I think is a potential. 1:10:33.000 --> 1:10:35.519 I think if it's Mike Evans, you draft more of 1:10:35.560 --> 1:10:38.599 a kind of X Z hybrid, and then you give 1:10:38.640 --> 1:10:40.840 Evans a year or two while that guy truly develops 1:10:41.280 --> 1:10:44.880 that you draft Mike Evans, you take a more developmenttal 1:10:44.880 --> 1:10:47.080 guy in the third round. You have Evans here for 1:10:47.120 --> 1:10:48.640 like two or three years, and then you hope that 1:10:48.680 --> 1:10:51.200 whoever you drafted is ready to take over as your 1:10:51.200 --> 1:10:53.280 true wide receiver one when Mike Evans is out. But 1:10:53.840 --> 1:10:56.400 I'd say with Higgins, you have Higgins at t X, right, Yeah, 1:10:56.520 --> 1:10:59.120 you have Pop Douglas in the slot, so you're looking 1:10:59.200 --> 1:11:03.680 at probably like his type receiver. Jalen McMillan from Washington's 1:11:03.680 --> 1:11:05.439 an interesting guy in that regard. You can probably get 1:11:05.479 --> 1:11:08.120 him in the third round. I'm not ready to say 1:11:08.160 --> 1:11:10.200 I'm in on Ricky pier Saw yet. I need to 1:11:10.200 --> 1:11:14.479 see more of them. Guy from Florida. Yeah, he is interesting. 1:11:14.640 --> 1:11:17.679 He makes a ton of highlight catches. There's a ton 1:11:17.720 --> 1:11:21.200 of if I say highlight routes, does that make sense, yep? 1:11:21.280 --> 1:11:23.280 Where like he runs some routes where he just I 1:11:23.280 --> 1:11:24.759 mean the defenders nowhere nearby. 1:11:25.120 --> 1:11:26.759 That that's it's interesting. 1:11:26.920 --> 1:11:29.519 I need to watch the I just I don't know 1:11:29.520 --> 1:11:31.960 how consistently he does it, Like I didn't watch Florida enough. 1:11:32.200 --> 1:11:33.960 I haven't gotten him yet. He'll be at the Senior Bowl. 1:11:34.000 --> 1:11:37.040 But like Ricky pier Saw is a guy like sort 1:11:37.080 --> 1:11:39.320 of again saying this not having watched him a ton 1:11:39.560 --> 1:11:42.080 sort of Kendrick bourneish where you can he can do 1:11:42.080 --> 1:11:44.400 a lot of different things and he'll pop and he's 1:11:44.400 --> 1:11:47.080 got some big playability. Like you put that kind of 1:11:47.080 --> 1:11:50.160 guy with T Higgins and Pop Douglas and that kind 1:11:50.160 --> 1:11:50.720 of interests me. 1:11:51.000 --> 1:11:54.720 So you mentioned guys that run highlight routes versus like 1:11:54.840 --> 1:11:57.920 guys that just somehow put up stats that don't are 1:11:57.920 --> 1:11:58.479 in a flash. 1:11:58.479 --> 1:12:00.800 Well, I mean it's like something like I like catch, right, 1:12:00.800 --> 1:12:02.920 a guy a spectacular catch. The guy you see him, 1:12:02.920 --> 1:12:05.040 he's always losting people one hand of grabs or diving 1:12:05.040 --> 1:12:07.559 catches the route equivalent of that, where like I would 1:12:07.560 --> 1:12:11.120 watch him in like like he's putting the defender on 1:12:11.120 --> 1:12:13.280 the floor, like he's just losing guys in the route, 1:12:13.360 --> 1:12:13.800 things like that. 1:12:13.840 --> 1:12:18.760 So I watched. I finished up the six quarterbacks, right, 1:12:19.000 --> 1:12:21.800 I did JJ McCarthy. I tough threugh it okay, but 1:12:21.800 --> 1:12:24.000 when are you going to watch Joe Milton? Probably not 1:12:24.040 --> 1:12:28.160 till like April. But I I also did the top 1:12:28.200 --> 1:12:33.960 three receivers, Marvin Harrison obviously neighbors and a Dunez and 1:12:35.280 --> 1:12:37.920 Marvin Harrison. Like I'm gonna put Marvin Harrison in this 1:12:38.040 --> 1:12:40.680 draft conversation in his own category. I just don't think 1:12:40.960 --> 1:12:44.040 he's he's his own thing, so we're really studying is 1:12:44.080 --> 1:12:48.000 like more the Neighbors, A Dune say, Keon Coleman, Like 1:12:48.040 --> 1:12:51.759 that sort of tear is when I say this Milik 1:12:51.840 --> 1:12:54.880 Neighbors is the flashiest guy by far. 1:12:55.000 --> 1:12:56.639 Oh yeah, yeah, he's an LC receiver. 1:12:57.360 --> 1:13:02.040 His burst in all in all ways, like his ability 1:13:02.080 --> 1:13:05.400 to change speeds, whether it's tracking the ball in the 1:13:05.439 --> 1:13:08.439 air and pulling away as he's tracking it, or it's 1:13:08.520 --> 1:13:10.280 like a little stutter and go and then all of 1:13:10.320 --> 1:13:11.920 a sudden he hits the gas at the top of 1:13:11.960 --> 1:13:15.439 the stem and it's just like gone. His ability to 1:13:15.520 --> 1:13:19.200 create separation and do that is is freaky rare, freaky rare. 1:13:19.479 --> 1:13:21.400 A duneesay, you know who. He reminds me a little 1:13:21.439 --> 1:13:24.200 bit of I've said Stefan Diggs. But that's not bad. 1:13:24.439 --> 1:13:27.000 I don't find that. I was gonna say DeAndre Hopkins, 1:13:27.040 --> 1:13:29.040 like I feel like he's not that is he that big? 1:13:29.320 --> 1:13:29.840 Uh? 1:13:30.160 --> 1:13:33.800 He's DeAndre Hopkins isn't like DeAndre Hopkins is like tough, 1:13:34.160 --> 1:13:35.799 you know. I Digs is a good. 1:13:35.640 --> 1:13:38.200 Copy doxfly Oh Dune says six. 1:13:38.120 --> 1:13:39.840 Y three, I don't know if he's that tall. We'll 1:13:39.840 --> 1:13:40.800 see at the combine. 1:13:40.920 --> 1:13:43.599 Okay, that's what Like I think Hopkins like six ' five, 1:13:43.800 --> 1:13:46.200 like he's got the Hawkins, not sixty five. Hawkins is 1:13:46.280 --> 1:13:46.640 six five? 1:13:46.840 --> 1:13:49.599 Am I thinking of no Hawkins like six two six 1:13:49.720 --> 1:13:50.320 one six two? 1:13:50.400 --> 1:13:51.960 Is that it? I thought? I just thought of him 1:13:51.960 --> 1:13:53.120 as tall? Uh. 1:13:53.960 --> 1:13:56.240 The reason why I bring the reason why I bring 1:13:56.280 --> 1:13:58.800 up Hopkins, I think that Hopkins is tougher at the 1:13:58.800 --> 1:14:01.519 catchpoint than a Dune. Say, yeah, but I think the 1:14:01.560 --> 1:14:04.719 difference what I see with them is that I don't 1:14:04.720 --> 1:14:08.200 necessarily see like tons of separation on the film, but 1:14:08.320 --> 1:14:11.960 he makes all this like initial separation and then like 1:14:12.000 --> 1:14:14.280 there's enough of it that if you put it in 1:14:14.280 --> 1:14:16.559 his catcher eighty is just he just muscles in and 1:14:16.600 --> 1:14:19.840 makes the catch. And that type of guy I don't 1:14:19.840 --> 1:14:23.840 find quite as intriguing as like the flashier guys, because 1:14:24.040 --> 1:14:26.439 I'm all about separation, like who's gonna get open for 1:14:26.520 --> 1:14:29.599 me at the top of the route. A Dune's is 1:14:29.840 --> 1:14:32.840 just one of those guys that it doesn't pop off 1:14:32.880 --> 1:14:35.720 the film necessarily at you. But then you look at 1:14:35.720 --> 1:14:37.280 the box score and he had like one hundred and 1:14:37.360 --> 1:14:39.200 eighty yards in the game and you're just kind of like, 1:14:39.200 --> 1:14:40.000 how did that happen? 1:14:40.200 --> 1:14:40.360 Right? 1:14:40.640 --> 1:14:40.840 Right? 1:14:40.880 --> 1:14:43.320 And I feel like Diggs is maybe a little bit 1:14:43.320 --> 1:14:45.600 better than him at the top of the route, but 1:14:45.960 --> 1:14:49.600 I feel like Hopkins is someone that is similar, Like 1:14:49.840 --> 1:14:53.200 Hopkins probably has more highlight reel like one handed acrobatic 1:14:53.240 --> 1:14:56.200 type of catches, but just in terms of the route running, 1:14:56.520 --> 1:14:58.920 is like is he that fast? Like is he really 1:14:59.000 --> 1:15:00.640 pulling away from people and all of a sudden he's 1:15:00.640 --> 1:15:01.840 got like one hundred and fifty yards? 1:15:01.960 --> 1:15:02.200 Right? 1:15:02.280 --> 1:15:05.360 And I feel that way about it. Douneesa Milik Neighbors 1:15:05.400 --> 1:15:08.639 is I don't know how or why it would make 1:15:08.720 --> 1:15:11.200 sense for the Patriots to draft a Duneesay or Neighbors 1:15:11.240 --> 1:15:13.559 just based off of where they're gonna go, right, talking 1:15:13.600 --> 1:15:15.639 about probably like the five to ten range for both 1:15:15.680 --> 1:15:18.120 of those guys, and it's like, not real, you're. 1:15:18.000 --> 1:15:20.759 Taking a receiver at that point. Just take Harrison a three. 1:15:20.600 --> 1:15:23.479 And you're like trading down to take Melik Nabor like 1:15:23.479 --> 1:15:25.479 it may I just don't really see how that works, 1:15:25.840 --> 1:15:27.400 but I thought I would just mention that because I 1:15:27.400 --> 1:15:28.759 did watch both of you guys. 1:15:28.640 --> 1:15:32.120 Watch so it's funny. Hopkins and again in my mind, 1:15:32.160 --> 1:15:34.240 Hopkins was taller, but Hopkins is my comfort. Key On 1:15:34.280 --> 1:15:38.000 Coleman just like elite jump ball catch point receiver. 1:15:38.160 --> 1:15:42.600 I could see that Keon Coleman terrifies me. I know 1:15:42.680 --> 1:15:46.240 he does, but doesn't create enough separation for me new 1:15:46.280 --> 1:15:48.799 era like okay, but the one. 1:15:48.640 --> 1:15:51.160 Hand Coleman is the guy. I talked about this. 1:15:51.520 --> 1:15:53.280 In the NFL off of one handed catches. 1:15:53.560 --> 1:15:57.160 That's just I talk about this all the time, natural separation. 1:15:57.479 --> 1:15:59.800 Keon Coleman sixty five with massive arms. He's a freak 1:15:59.800 --> 1:16:02.519 at You throw the ball up the corners, not getting 1:16:02.520 --> 1:16:05.240 where Keon Coleman's getting to. You throw throw the ball 1:16:05.280 --> 1:16:08.559 out wide, the corner can't reach where Keon Coleman can 1:16:08.560 --> 1:16:09.280 reach to get the ball. 1:16:09.439 --> 1:16:13.040 So aren't you like more describing T Higgins? I guess probably, yeah, 1:16:13.280 --> 1:16:14.479 like to like that's how I feel. 1:16:14.479 --> 1:16:17.120 There's there's probably more T Higgins. That's fair. Yeah. Yeah. 1:16:17.200 --> 1:16:18.679 Did you get a chance to watch Brian Thomas? 1:16:18.840 --> 1:16:22.080 Not yet, but I did watch him, Like obviously I'm 1:16:22.080 --> 1:16:25.519 watching the neighbors, but you have to, like, I have 1:16:25.600 --> 1:16:28.200 to watch the guy specifically. No, I watched all of 1:16:28.200 --> 1:16:30.880 these games for Jayden Daniels and now I'm rewatching all 1:16:30.880 --> 1:16:31.679 of the same games. 1:16:31.680 --> 1:16:33.960 No, I know, but I guess the reason I bring 1:16:34.040 --> 1:16:36.800 up Thomas is we just talked about you know, do 1:16:36.880 --> 1:16:39.439 you go it? And you're probably not getting Thomas at 1:16:39.439 --> 1:16:41.320 thirty four, but trading back up into the end of 1:16:41.320 --> 1:16:45.280 the first round. Maybe because people have talked about he's 1:16:45.400 --> 1:16:48.759 the sneaky forgotten guy right in this class you get Daniels, 1:16:48.800 --> 1:16:50.400 Can you pair him? People have asked, you know, can 1:16:50.439 --> 1:16:53.320 you pair Daniels with Neighbors? That's not not not gonna happen. 1:16:53.680 --> 1:16:57.360 Can you pair Daniels with Thomas? That's very realistic. Yeah, 1:16:57.400 --> 1:17:00.439 And Thomas is, like you said, forgotten. I think he's 1:17:00.479 --> 1:17:02.719 one of these guys, and you love to highlight these guys. 1:17:03.040 --> 1:17:07.439 Everybody's looking at Malik Neighbors, so Thomas probably isn't getting 1:17:08.640 --> 1:17:09.040 the hype. 1:17:09.840 --> 1:17:10.719 Take guy. 1:17:12.640 --> 1:17:15.320 Me watching. I'm with him on this one. I'm with 1:17:15.400 --> 1:17:15.920 him on this one. 1:17:16.200 --> 1:17:17.840 And I'm not saying Tom I understand it too. 1:17:18.240 --> 1:17:20.080 I'm not saying Thomas as good as Neighbors. And I'm 1:17:20.120 --> 1:17:23.360 curious to you you you're better at receivers than me, 1:17:23.439 --> 1:17:25.679 but I'm curious to get your riad on Thomas because 1:17:25.680 --> 1:17:29.360 I think he's he's more of the prototypical X. But 1:17:29.439 --> 1:17:34.360 he's fast and he'd be an interesting guy. You put 1:17:34.400 --> 1:17:36.800 him and Pop Douglas on the field together, you got 1:17:36.840 --> 1:17:39.479 a ton of speed. But he gives you a sign. 1:17:39.560 --> 1:17:41.479 He's not the biggest guy. He's not t Higgas, He's 1:17:41.479 --> 1:17:43.519 not the biggest guy in the world, but he gives 1:17:43.560 --> 1:17:46.479 you some size in that. In that sense, he does separate. 1:17:46.520 --> 1:17:48.599 I mean he's an l C receiver. He does separate. 1:17:48.680 --> 1:17:54.240 YEA god that that school just like I mean, Neighbors 1:17:54.360 --> 1:17:58.320 is a dude. That guy is unreal. I the comp 1:17:58.360 --> 1:17:59.479 that I think. 1:17:59.400 --> 1:18:02.600 Is he is the best LSU receiver you've watched. No, 1:18:02.680 --> 1:18:05.080 he's not, because I know how much you love Justin Jefferson. 1:18:04.760 --> 1:18:07.320 And I and I think Jamar Chase was better than him. Okay, 1:18:07.640 --> 1:18:09.760 but I think that Jamar Chase is a decent comp 1:18:09.800 --> 1:18:13.360 from Malik Neighbors. I see a lot of similarities. They're 1:18:13.400 --> 1:18:16.519 actually like almost identically the same size. They're both like 1:18:16.600 --> 1:18:20.240 six one two hundred. I look at both. I think 1:18:20.320 --> 1:18:22.320 Malik Neighbors has a little bit more of a top 1:18:22.360 --> 1:18:24.800 gear than Jamar Chase, and Jamar Chase is probably a 1:18:24.800 --> 1:18:27.160 little bit better at the catch point, But from like 1:18:27.200 --> 1:18:30.720 a body type standpoint, it's probably the LSU thing a 1:18:30.720 --> 1:18:33.479 little bit, I'll admit that. But I look at those 1:18:33.520 --> 1:18:38.599 two Marvin Harrison Junior. If you put Marvin Harrison Junior 1:18:39.000 --> 1:18:42.120 in a Raiders uniform with a number seventeen, I would 1:18:42.200 --> 1:18:43.760 not be able to tell the difference between him and 1:18:43.800 --> 1:18:47.240 DeVante Adams. They run, They're literally the same person. It's 1:18:47.280 --> 1:18:48.960 it's crazy, like has anybody ever seen them in the 1:18:48.960 --> 1:18:53.200 same room together. I'm not sure, Like they are so identical, 1:18:53.479 --> 1:18:56.760 it's not even funny, like they can both play. Every 1:18:57.080 --> 1:18:59.120 thing about Marvin Harrison Junior that I think makes them 1:18:59.120 --> 1:19:03.680 so ridiculous is that he's everything all in one. He 1:19:03.840 --> 1:19:08.519 is an outside perimeter receiver and a slot receiver, and 1:19:08.600 --> 1:19:10.600 he can do He can win in both areas. He 1:19:10.600 --> 1:19:12.720 can win inside, he can win outside, he can win 1:19:12.760 --> 1:19:14.679 at the first two levels. He can win down the field. 1:19:15.040 --> 1:19:17.040 He can win with speed, he can win with quickness. 1:19:17.280 --> 1:19:20.719 Like that's Devanta Adams like he's He's very very similar. 1:19:20.760 --> 1:19:24.320 His route releases are refined and very difficult, a lot 1:19:24.360 --> 1:19:28.439 like Davante Adams. He creates so much early separation in 1:19:28.479 --> 1:19:31.960 the stem just by releasing off the line of scrimmage 1:19:32.200 --> 1:19:34.360 and the way he sets up angles and things like that. 1:19:35.160 --> 1:19:38.680 He's the best receiver I've ever watched in college. 1:19:39.320 --> 1:19:40.120 Better than Jefferson. 1:19:40.640 --> 1:19:44.920 Yeah, better than Jefferson. Jefferson was different, right, Jefferson. 1:19:45.080 --> 1:19:46.800 Do you think Devant Adams is the best receiver in 1:19:46.800 --> 1:19:47.280 the league. 1:19:48.600 --> 1:19:51.200 I would say that it's between him and Tyreek Kill. Yeah, 1:19:51.280 --> 1:19:53.600 Like Tyra Kill has probably got the best superpower in 1:19:53.640 --> 1:19:54.040 the league. 1:19:54.080 --> 1:19:54.240 Yea. 1:19:54.560 --> 1:19:56.920 But I think in terms of like complete receivers, what 1:19:57.120 --> 1:19:59.719 makes Adams and guys like Adams and Marvin Harrison Junior 1:19:59.800 --> 1:20:02.360 so special to me is their ability to play every 1:20:02.400 --> 1:20:05.080 single spot. They can line up anywhere, Like he can 1:20:05.080 --> 1:20:09.040 line up one, two, and three, inside slot, outside slot X, 1:20:09.200 --> 1:20:11.880 Like he can line up all over the formation. Uh, 1:20:12.240 --> 1:20:14.080 you know, Like he can just as easily beat you 1:20:14.120 --> 1:20:15.720 on a slant as he can beat you on on 1:20:15.760 --> 1:20:18.880 a go ball down the sideline. Like that is Tyreek 1:20:18.920 --> 1:20:21.360 Kill is his own thing, like because of his speed. 1:20:21.880 --> 1:20:23.400 But the only other guy that I can think of 1:20:23.439 --> 1:20:26.160 that does that is Devonte Adams. So this brings I 1:20:26.200 --> 1:20:27.880 guess we'll just talk about it because we're gonna talk 1:20:27.880 --> 1:20:29.840 about it for the next six months or four months. 1:20:29.880 --> 1:20:34.600 I keep saying six, it's really only four. Uh, everybody, 1:20:35.200 --> 1:20:37.720 everybody in my mentions and my replies, Alex is telling 1:20:37.760 --> 1:20:40.639 me that they should just draft Marvin Harrison junior. That's 1:20:40.760 --> 1:20:43.559 that's the that's the hot, that's the take right now, 1:20:43.640 --> 1:20:46.960 right like, don't make a mistake, don't take the quarterback. 1:20:47.320 --> 1:20:51.240 Take Marvin Harrison junior because he's the best player. That's 1:20:51.240 --> 1:20:51.599 a take. 1:20:52.000 --> 1:20:55.040 Yeah, And I get it, especially with their history wide receiver. 1:20:55.120 --> 1:20:57.400 You see a guy who's potentially can't miss, and it's like, 1:20:57.400 --> 1:20:59.679 all right, here we go. You know, finally they're gonna 1:20:59.680 --> 1:21:03.600 have a good receiver. I would say he's not. And 1:21:03.640 --> 1:21:06.519 here's a big point people make, Well, Harrison Junior is 1:21:06.560 --> 1:21:11.960 a guarantee. The quarterbacks aren't guarantees. Harrison Junior may be 1:21:12.080 --> 1:21:15.559 less likely to be a bust, but no prospects are guarantee. No, 1:21:15.560 --> 1:21:18.360 not one prospect is a guarantee. Not one prospect has 1:21:18.439 --> 1:21:21.439 ever been a guarantee. They're still inherent risk with it. 1:21:21.520 --> 1:21:29.120 And are is Marvin Harrison, you know, Patriots development proofers? 1:21:29.120 --> 1:21:32.200 Is it the other way around or are they that awful? 1:21:32.200 --> 1:21:33.840 Well, so I don't think they need he needs to 1:21:33.840 --> 1:21:36.680 be developed, Like I think that he's as ready as 1:21:36.720 --> 1:21:39.120 any receiver I've ever seen. But but but I think 1:21:39.160 --> 1:21:42.080 the differences and you know, like this time of year, 1:21:42.160 --> 1:21:44.760 those like memes start going around right where it's like 1:21:46.200 --> 1:21:49.559 a quarterback getting killed in the pocket as Marvin Harrison 1:21:49.600 --> 1:21:52.240 Junior is standing like jumping up and down, or it's 1:21:52.360 --> 1:21:55.679 like the quarterback is very well protected, Marvin Harrison Junior 1:21:55.720 --> 1:21:59.920 is wide open, but it's like Bailey's appy. Yeah, so wait, 1:22:00.000 --> 1:22:03.080 which one would you rather? And I think the problem 1:22:03.160 --> 1:22:06.760 is is that you can have Marvin Harrison Junior and 1:22:06.840 --> 1:22:08.880 you will have a stud wide receiver right out of 1:22:08.920 --> 1:22:11.479 the gate. He will be he will walk on to 1:22:11.560 --> 1:22:14.400 this field during training camp and he will be by 1:22:14.520 --> 1:22:16.680 far the best player on the field. I have no 1:22:16.760 --> 1:22:19.760 doubt about that. And watching him and Christian Gonzales go 1:22:19.800 --> 1:22:22.360 one on one together for six weeks in the summer 1:22:22.600 --> 1:22:25.679 will make every single Patriots fan giddy like there's that's 1:22:25.720 --> 1:22:29.320 Sauce Gardner and Garrett Wilson right, like iron sharpens iron. 1:22:29.200 --> 1:22:30.120 And where the love it. 1:22:31.160 --> 1:22:33.519 But you are the Jets right because you have no 1:22:33.600 --> 1:22:35.920 offensive line and you have no quarterback to throw them 1:22:35.920 --> 1:22:37.840 the ball, and you're not even as good as the Jets, 1:22:37.840 --> 1:22:40.240 because at least they have Aaron Rodgers with a bum Achilles, 1:22:40.280 --> 1:22:41.160 Like you don't even have that. 1:22:41.560 --> 1:22:44.599 So well, you know, best case scenario, you have Kirk 1:22:44.600 --> 1:22:45.759 Cousins on a bum Achillies. 1:22:45.880 --> 1:22:48.320 Yeah, you have Kirk Cousins. You have Justin Fields, you 1:22:48.360 --> 1:22:50.839 have right, one of those guys. We got an email 1:22:50.920 --> 1:22:53.680 like with a couple of Gardner Minshew who is the 1:22:53.760 --> 1:22:58.519 other ones Jake Browning? Jake Browning is a backup quarterback. Baker. 1:22:58.520 --> 1:23:00.960 Mayfield is like obviously the one Baker. 1:23:01.800 --> 1:23:04.120 If you can get any Baker and then take Marvin 1:23:04.200 --> 1:23:06.479 third overall, like I I could buy you into that, 1:23:06.600 --> 1:23:10.479 but again, the entire front office should be fired if 1:23:10.479 --> 1:23:13.120 Tampa doesn't have Baker back next year. So the point 1:23:13.160 --> 1:23:16.439 being is that Andry, I'm not good at memes. No, sorry, 1:23:16.520 --> 1:23:17.840 let me just say no, I would not trade the 1:23:17.840 --> 1:23:19.760 third overall pick for Baker because I know people are 1:23:20.000 --> 1:23:20.320 say that. 1:23:20.280 --> 1:23:22.200 But that's not a real thing. That's like that call 1:23:22.240 --> 1:23:25.000 we had earlier about trading the median load of the 1:23:25.080 --> 1:23:28.240 Vikings for their first round pick. No, you you were 1:23:28.240 --> 1:23:31.160 better at making memes than me, so like maybe you 1:23:31.200 --> 1:23:32.840 can do this, and plus like as a company man, 1:23:32.840 --> 1:23:36.519 I probably shouldn't, but like, make like Mac Jones and 1:23:36.520 --> 1:23:39.280 Bailey Zappy the quarterback. Yeah, make them getting killed in 1:23:39.280 --> 1:23:41.360 the pocket because they have no offensive line, right, and 1:23:41.360 --> 1:23:43.679 then just make Marvin Harrison Junior jumping up and down 1:23:43.800 --> 1:23:46.760 like I'm wide open down here. Like that's what you're 1:23:46.800 --> 1:23:48.800 gonna get, at least for the first year. 1:23:49.120 --> 1:23:49.320 Right. 1:23:49.600 --> 1:23:52.160 And now the argument on the other side is is that, Okay, 1:23:52.840 --> 1:23:56.120 so Marvin Harrison Junior by himself probably doesn't make you 1:23:56.200 --> 1:23:58.360 much better. So you're gonna be drafting in the top 1:23:58.400 --> 1:24:01.920 ten again next year, and you just draft Shador Sanders 1:24:02.000 --> 1:24:05.880 next year, right, like or whatever. I just that I 1:24:05.880 --> 1:24:08.000 feel like is very risky because you're at there, you're 1:24:08.040 --> 1:24:10.720 beholden to the quarterback class. Then what if it's a 1:24:10.760 --> 1:24:14.320 Kenny Pickett quarterback class? Like what if Shador Sanders the 1:24:14.400 --> 1:24:16.400 second half of the year is actually what he ends 1:24:16.479 --> 1:24:17.439 up being next year? 1:24:17.479 --> 1:24:19.759 Also? Or who knows, you have a very weak schedule 1:24:19.760 --> 1:24:22.080 this year, maybe you roll off six wins, seven wins, 1:24:22.120 --> 1:24:24.559 and now you're not arranged to take one of those guys. Yeah, 1:24:24.600 --> 1:24:26.960 so when you have a chance to get the quarterback, 1:24:27.000 --> 1:24:31.280 you get the quarterback. To your point, and people say well, 1:24:31.320 --> 1:24:33.439 now you're beholding to the wide receiver class next year. 1:24:34.640 --> 1:24:39.040 A couple things on that last year was down yere. 1:24:39.160 --> 1:24:42.640 Generally college football's turning out wide receivers. They might not 1:24:42.680 --> 1:24:45.799 be Marvin Harrison, but you're gonna get. Really Marvin Harrison's 1:24:45.840 --> 1:24:48.639 not the last wide receiver prospect ever to be available 1:24:48.640 --> 1:24:50.560 in the NFL. I feel like some people need to 1:24:50.600 --> 1:24:51.320 remind themselves. 1:24:51.320 --> 1:24:54.759 I mean, like, you're still gonna get the Roma Dunze, 1:24:55.640 --> 1:24:57.839 Malik Neighbors, Kean Coleman, who. 1:24:57.640 --> 1:25:01.479 Can all be very very very good player. And I 1:25:01.520 --> 1:25:03.640 think those guys will be. There's gonna be multiple All 1:25:03.720 --> 1:25:06.240 Pro receivers in this class. I'll just tell you right now. 1:25:06.520 --> 1:25:09.720 You know who went back to school a Mecca Buca, 1:25:09.760 --> 1:25:12.240 who's the next Ohio State guy who some people thought 1:25:12.360 --> 1:25:14.240 was gonna be better than Harrison. Now he kind of 1:25:14.280 --> 1:25:17.160 got screwed because Ohio State's quarterback player was terrible this year. Yeah, 1:25:17.240 --> 1:25:20.960 it didn't matter, He's going back. But uh, Tory, well know, 1:25:21.040 --> 1:25:22.640 his numbers were down. I mean they're still very good, 1:25:22.680 --> 1:25:25.040 but they were down. Tory Horton, who the caller mentioned, 1:25:25.080 --> 1:25:27.400 is gonna be in the class next year. Mario willat 1:25:27.479 --> 1:25:31.320 Yams from usc who was Caleb Williams number one? Sort 1:25:31.320 --> 1:25:33.000 at number one? I know Rice was up there. 1:25:33.080 --> 1:25:35.439 Yeah, so is he the he's the quick guy, right, 1:25:35.479 --> 1:25:36.800 he's the quick slot guy. 1:25:36.880 --> 1:25:37.040 Yeah. 1:25:37.120 --> 1:25:37.280 Yeah. 1:25:37.280 --> 1:25:39.320 If they didn't have like Pop Douglas already on the team, 1:25:39.360 --> 1:25:40.200 he would be intriguing. 1:25:40.280 --> 1:25:40.760 I like them. 1:25:40.840 --> 1:25:41.400 I like him. 1:25:41.439 --> 1:25:43.759 They're like, like, there's gonna be guys next year, and again, 1:25:44.520 --> 1:25:47.400 you can still pay people. T Higgins is still an option. 1:25:47.520 --> 1:25:48.840 Mike Evans is still an option. 1:25:49.640 --> 1:25:51.400 You were in the trade markets still right, option? 1:25:51.560 --> 1:25:54.400 You were not going, right, there's always one. We didn't 1:25:54.400 --> 1:25:56.519 know Tyreek Hill was available until he was like at 1:25:56.520 --> 1:25:59.880 this point that year. That's not gonna happen at quarter 1:26:00.400 --> 1:26:03.680 it's you're not gonna get a T. Higgins equivalent at 1:26:03.800 --> 1:26:07.080 quarterback and free agency, you're not going to get what 1:26:07.160 --> 1:26:09.680 receiver gets traded. I don't know a J. Brown eight right, 1:26:09.800 --> 1:26:11.880 thank you? You're not gonna get an A J. Brown 1:26:12.000 --> 1:26:12.799 kind of quarterback. 1:26:12.840 --> 1:26:15.559 Am I crazy? Just like on this topic, and I 1:26:15.560 --> 1:26:20.840 know we're all over the classic? Am I crazy to 1:26:20.920 --> 1:26:22.360 kind of want Davonte Smith more? 1:26:24.200 --> 1:26:24.479 Hmm? 1:26:25.800 --> 1:26:26.760 I love a J. Brown. 1:26:26.880 --> 1:26:27.080 A J. 1:26:27.200 --> 1:26:29.840 Brown is a really really good player. He's probably the 1:26:29.880 --> 1:26:32.599 best man coverage beater in the league, just because he's 1:26:32.640 --> 1:26:35.519 got the speed, the toughness, the ability had to catch point. 1:26:35.960 --> 1:26:38.960 I just I think Deavante Smith, even in like a 1:26:39.000 --> 1:26:42.799 Bill O'Brien Josh McDaniel's offense, I think he's so I utilize. 1:26:43.000 --> 1:26:47.360 I see where you're coming from. I I want to 1:26:48.360 --> 1:26:51.120 I'm not. I don't want this to come across like 1:26:51.160 --> 1:26:54.599 I'm saying. I would take Pop Douglas over Devonte Smith 1:26:54.760 --> 1:26:58.559 like obviously, No, obviously, Like I would take Davante Smith 1:26:58.600 --> 1:27:02.680 in a heartbeat, but like that it's a really good replacement. 1:27:02.920 --> 1:27:04.720 But that feels like more of a replacement. I want 1:27:04.760 --> 1:27:04.920 to know. 1:27:05.200 --> 1:27:07.240 I think Pop Douglas is a true slot. 1:27:07.400 --> 1:27:07.920 Is it all right? 1:27:07.960 --> 1:27:10.880 So you're gonna play a gadget slot? So I would 1:27:10.960 --> 1:27:12.880 play I think Pop Douglas. 1:27:13.120 --> 1:27:15.240 I want. I want that, really, I want that six 1:27:15.280 --> 1:27:19.439 foot five, two hundred pound on the outside is gonna 1:27:19.479 --> 1:27:22.880 bully every single corner he faces. Because I because I 1:27:22.960 --> 1:27:25.800 grew up watching Randy Mark, and because I grew up 1:27:25.840 --> 1:27:29.240 watching because I grew up watching Terrell Owens, and because 1:27:29.240 --> 1:27:32.120 I grew up watching Isaac Bruce, and that's the kind 1:27:32.120 --> 1:27:34.040 of receiver I like, I want a guy to go 1:27:34.120 --> 1:27:39.040 out there who is just a DK Metcalf, yes, and 1:27:39.280 --> 1:27:42.280 just bully the crap out of corners for sixty minutes. 1:27:42.479 --> 1:27:45.680 I have the small, shifty guys are fun, and I 1:27:45.720 --> 1:27:47.280 like Pop Douglas and I want them to have that 1:27:47.280 --> 1:27:51.120 guy too. But when it comes to wide receiver, for me, 1:27:51.320 --> 1:27:53.280 give me the big guy on the outside who's just 1:27:53.320 --> 1:27:55.760 bullying everybody. It's just the most fun to me. And 1:27:55.800 --> 1:27:58.200 I think that guy more than anybody else helps a 1:27:58.200 --> 1:27:58.799 young quarterback. 1:27:59.080 --> 1:28:03.479 That explains a lot, like it's all about separation, man, 1:28:03.600 --> 1:28:05.839 Like you gotta get open, like it, get. 1:28:05.680 --> 1:28:06.920 It, Dode. These guys not get open. 1:28:07.000 --> 1:28:09.920 I'm not saying, Harry get open, catch the ball. 1:28:09.960 --> 1:28:12.760 Does AJ Brown not get open? Not get open? 1:28:12.840 --> 1:28:14.000 Yeah? No, those guys get open. 1:28:14.040 --> 1:28:14.400 I'm saying. 1:28:14.479 --> 1:28:16.759 Look, I'm saying those guys are in like a different 1:28:16.840 --> 1:28:18.120 like those guys are elite. 1:28:18.160 --> 1:28:20.160 But that's what I'm saying. Like, if we're talking about 1:28:21.000 --> 1:28:23.559 I can add two elite receivers of both ninety nine 1:28:23.600 --> 1:28:25.080 overalls in Madden, Right. 1:28:25.120 --> 1:28:27.360 You would rather a J Brown than tyreek Kill. 1:28:28.520 --> 1:28:30.439 Basic, Well, tyreek Kill's tyreek Kill. 1:28:30.479 --> 1:28:33.000 He's his own, Okay, but you would rather, I don't 1:28:33.040 --> 1:28:35.080 know that's the best way like to think of, Like I. 1:28:35.040 --> 1:28:38.400 Would rather a J. Brown than DeVante Smith. Basically, yeah, 1:28:38.400 --> 1:28:38.840 I think a J. 1:28:38.960 --> 1:28:40.880 Brown is a better player. I just think I look 1:28:40.920 --> 1:28:42.840 at the way that's the Eagles. A lot of things 1:28:42.880 --> 1:28:44.680 have come out about the Eagles offense, not that this 1:28:44.760 --> 1:28:49.480 is Eagles Catch twenty two Eagles edition, but the Eagles 1:28:49.920 --> 1:28:54.360 they use like the least amount of pre snap motion 1:28:54.920 --> 1:28:56.720 of almost any team in the league. I think they 1:28:56.760 --> 1:28:59.000 were thirty first in the league in it. So I 1:28:59.040 --> 1:29:01.960 look at Devontae Smith and I think about remember the 1:29:01.960 --> 1:29:05.160 Patriots used to use Julian Edelman where like he's coming 1:29:05.200 --> 1:29:09.040 into stack alignments late, he's motioning cross formation, he's always 1:29:09.080 --> 1:29:11.360 on the move, like he's his chest piece that's always 1:29:11.400 --> 1:29:13.759 on the move, and they would just hunt free releases 1:29:13.760 --> 1:29:16.400 for him all over the field. Like the Eagles don't 1:29:16.439 --> 1:29:19.400 do that stuff for Devonte Smith for like, God only 1:29:19.439 --> 1:29:22.280 knows why. I have no clue. I can't explain it. 1:29:22.520 --> 1:29:25.120 If you put DeVante Smith in an offense where he's 1:29:25.160 --> 1:29:27.840 the Z he's the off of flanker, off the line 1:29:27.880 --> 1:29:30.479 receiver flanker that can move around all the time. And 1:29:30.520 --> 1:29:32.720 now you're motioning him all over the place, and you're 1:29:32.800 --> 1:29:35.760 changing his alignment pre snap and all this stuff. He's 1:29:35.800 --> 1:29:38.920 gonna just be able to just run routes like it's 1:29:38.920 --> 1:29:41.680 gonna be like seven on seven, right. And I just 1:29:41.720 --> 1:29:45.320 feel like the Eagles get the most out of Devonte 1:29:45.400 --> 1:29:49.040 Smith in their system, but their system for him kind 1:29:49.040 --> 1:29:51.800 of stinks like it really so he's just that talent. 1:29:51.840 --> 1:29:53.880 You just want Smith because you want to save him 1:29:53.880 --> 1:29:54.599 from the Eagles. 1:29:54.680 --> 1:29:57.040 I want DeVante Smith because I think that there's an 1:29:57.080 --> 1:29:59.439 even more, like there's another level for him is. 1:29:59.720 --> 1:30:02.240 A and I think there is too. I just I 1:30:02.439 --> 1:30:06.080 don't know. And again I would take if the Eagles say, yeah, 1:30:06.080 --> 1:30:08.439 we'll trade you DeVante Smith, we won't trade you a J. Brown, 1:30:08.680 --> 1:30:10.960 you know, same similar package. I would say, yeah, no, 1:30:11.000 --> 1:30:12.800 I'm not gonna say. 1:30:12.200 --> 1:30:15.879 It goes back to what I said earlier about Jacoby Myers. 1:30:15.920 --> 1:30:18.840 But first round edition, right, DeVante Smith is first round 1:30:19.160 --> 1:30:23.040 Jacoby Myers. Like he's all the shiftiness, all the ability 1:30:23.040 --> 1:30:25.800 to read the field, all the instincts for football, the 1:30:25.880 --> 1:30:28.320 catch point stuff, which I think Jacoby was underrated on 1:30:29.040 --> 1:30:29.639 with speed. 1:30:30.640 --> 1:30:34.360 So who's first that's a bad one. They haven't even 1:30:34.400 --> 1:30:37.280 come close. I was gonna say, like it was first 1:30:37.320 --> 1:30:40.000 round to kill Harry, Like you get what I'm saying, 1:30:40.040 --> 1:30:43.439 Like that's the problem, right, is that they they've never 1:30:43.920 --> 1:30:46.519 gone like Taekwon Thornton is is a burner. I was 1:30:46.560 --> 1:30:50.320 gonna say, who's first metcalf Right, he's a field stretcher, 1:30:50.360 --> 1:30:52.680 like he's his own thing, you know, And that's not 1:30:52.680 --> 1:30:56.280 the kill Harry is your guy, like let's just bully people. 1:30:56.520 --> 1:30:58.639 But no, because I want a guy that can run 1:30:58.640 --> 1:31:00.840 a two left route tree like I want a good 1:31:00.920 --> 1:31:01.880 version of that player. 1:31:02.040 --> 1:31:04.880 Yeah, but that's that's the guy. A good version of 1:31:04.920 --> 1:31:07.320 that player is the guy that they've been chasing, right, 1:31:07.439 --> 1:31:11.719 like they they Chad Jackson, Nikhil Harry, Like you know that's. 1:31:12.160 --> 1:31:13.439 So I guess what I'm saying is I have no 1:31:13.479 --> 1:31:15.760 problem with them chasing that guy. Just figure it out. 1:31:15.840 --> 1:31:16.320 Oh god. 1:31:16.640 --> 1:31:18.840 But then again, I've also said I would love Xavier Worthy, 1:31:18.880 --> 1:31:20.439 who is very DeVante Smith. 1:31:21.080 --> 1:31:22.280 That's why I like Xavier Worthy. 1:31:22.280 --> 1:31:23.320 Look, at the end of the day, I want a 1:31:23.320 --> 1:31:23.759 good receiver. 1:31:23.920 --> 1:31:27.040 Xavier worthies thinks because he's like trapped and that he's 1:31:27.080 --> 1:31:28.920 not You're not You're definitely not taking him at three 1:31:29.240 --> 1:31:31.000 and I don't think he's making it to thirty four, 1:31:31.400 --> 1:31:32.240 so you're kind of trapped. 1:31:32.360 --> 1:31:34.040 No, because I think he might be like a late 1:31:34.040 --> 1:31:36.160 twenties guy. You might be able to move up and 1:31:36.160 --> 1:31:36.519 get him. 1:31:36.600 --> 1:31:38.200 Yeah. I feel like we have to. I have to 1:31:38.240 --> 1:31:40.000 see it to believe it that they're going to operate 1:31:40.040 --> 1:31:41.960 differently in terms of moving up the draft board. 1:31:42.200 --> 1:31:44.559 All right, but just for the sake of if we're 1:31:44.600 --> 1:31:46.639 having the conversation, when we have it, I think Xavier 1:31:46.640 --> 1:31:49.120 Worthy he's gonna be in that same range as Brian Thomas, 1:31:49.479 --> 1:31:51.720 where You're right, I don't think you get him at 1:31:51.720 --> 1:31:55.160 thirty four. Can you get up to twenty six, twenty 1:31:55.160 --> 1:31:57.719 seven to twenty eight and maybe get one of those guys? 1:31:57.800 --> 1:31:58.040 Yeah? 1:31:58.080 --> 1:32:00.800 I think that that's there's a world where they can 1:32:00.840 --> 1:32:03.080 have both, you know, either Drake may or Jane Daniels 1:32:03.120 --> 1:32:05.920 and Xavier Worthy or Brian Thomas. I think that's a 1:32:06.040 --> 1:32:07.880 very realistic conversation. I like that. 1:32:07.920 --> 1:32:10.439 All right, Zach, let's get back to the phones. Zach 1:32:10.560 --> 1:32:11.960 is in California. What's up, Zach? 1:32:15.280 --> 1:32:15.880 It's up, Zach? 1:32:16.040 --> 1:32:21.000 Zach going once I left him on hold too long? 1:32:21.040 --> 1:32:24.000 All right, Nacho's in Connecticut. I would assume what's up? 1:32:24.040 --> 1:32:32.000 Not Joe, hellop not Joe. You guys know how this works. 1:32:32.040 --> 1:32:33.799 We talk all right, I'm gonna cut you off before 1:32:34.240 --> 1:32:39.920 before the the tone. A couple of emails here, one email. 1:32:40.080 --> 1:32:41.920 This is a long one, so I'm just gonna kind 1:32:41.920 --> 1:32:43.160 of sift through it. 1:32:43.520 --> 1:32:43.640 Uh. 1:32:45.680 --> 1:32:51.559 The Oregon combo Bone Nicks and Troy Franklin. Oh boy, 1:32:52.000 --> 1:32:54.120 I don't think that that that one's weird because both 1:32:54.160 --> 1:32:56.200 those guys are kind of projected to go around the 1:32:56.200 --> 1:32:59.200 same range of the draft, either one of them. 1:32:59.240 --> 1:33:01.679 Early My comps for those. 1:33:01.479 --> 1:33:04.320 Two is Troy Franklin, Tykwon Thornton. 1:33:05.080 --> 1:33:07.519 He might be a little better, but like, yeah, yeah, 1:33:07.640 --> 1:33:09.280 that's Mac Jones and Takwon Thornton. 1:33:09.439 --> 1:33:11.920 Yeah, it's not that far off. 1:33:12.000 --> 1:33:14.040 You're right, and like, like look, and I even said 1:33:14.040 --> 1:33:16.080 this at the time because I liked Taekwon Thornton in 1:33:16.120 --> 1:33:20.040 that draft. I don't like him for I don't like 1:33:20.080 --> 1:33:21.720 where the Patriots took him or the role they took 1:33:21.800 --> 1:33:26.120 him for. Right, is Troy Franklin worth a top one 1:33:26.160 --> 1:33:29.840 hundred picky? Yes, Let some other team figure Troy Franklin out. 1:33:30.360 --> 1:33:33.200 The Patriots don't need to try to figure Troy Franklin out. Yeah, 1:33:33.280 --> 1:33:35.479 I at that point, if you think you can figure 1:33:35.520 --> 1:33:37.479 that guy out, just fixed Taekwon. 1:33:38.320 --> 1:33:42.800 I watching him just while watching Nicks. Yeah, you can't 1:33:43.000 --> 1:33:47.040 the frame, the one track speed right, Like it's just 1:33:47.360 --> 1:33:52.280 he's just a field stretching rail thin receiver and I'm 1:33:52.320 --> 1:33:53.720 just you can't take time. 1:33:53.800 --> 1:33:53.840 Like. 1:33:53.880 --> 1:33:58.040 There's obviously other examples that are of guys that have succeeded, 1:33:58.040 --> 1:34:01.559 but frankly, in that body type, it's not very a 1:34:01.600 --> 1:34:04.880 long list like guys that are guy Smith, Yeah, but 1:34:04.960 --> 1:34:08.240 DeVante Smith plays differently than those guys, like the guys 1:34:08.240 --> 1:34:13.320 that are six three one eighty soaking with like Taekwon 1:34:13.400 --> 1:34:16.360 Thornton that succeeded in the league. Uh, not a very 1:34:16.400 --> 1:34:19.240 long list like the the really the guys that have 1:34:19.320 --> 1:34:22.720 succeeded at that side, it's like that way are like 1:34:22.840 --> 1:34:25.840 either Devonte Smith yeah, or like probably the closest ones 1:34:25.880 --> 1:34:29.080 like a DeShawn Jackson. But Sean Jackson was so much shiftier. 1:34:29.240 --> 1:34:31.599 He also played fluid and like just had so much 1:34:31.600 --> 1:34:33.080 better body contry. I mean, I don't want to feel 1:34:33.120 --> 1:34:34.880 this old, but he played like ten years ago. Yeah, 1:34:34.880 --> 1:34:36.720 I mean I know he retired like two years ago, 1:34:36.800 --> 1:34:37.880 but when he was, you know, good. 1:34:38.280 --> 1:34:42.360 Yeah, I again, I don't hate Trey Franklin as a player. 1:34:42.920 --> 1:34:44.200 Let somebody else figure him out. 1:34:44.240 --> 1:34:46.880 So yeah, the email did say Trey down and then 1:34:47.080 --> 1:34:50.040 you know, try to position yourself for the Oregon doubled it. 1:34:50.200 --> 1:34:53.640 So I don't know how that would work, Yeah, regardless 1:34:53.640 --> 1:34:55.479 of all. But you'd have to make a couple of trades. 1:34:55.520 --> 1:34:58.800 But yeah, So the other part of this email is 1:34:58.840 --> 1:35:03.240 that he's disappointed in this is uh Josh in Falls. 1:35:03.520 --> 1:35:05.559 Where's Turner Falls. I don't even I grew up here. 1:35:05.560 --> 1:35:06.120 I don't even know. 1:35:06.640 --> 1:35:10.160 Uh, it's probably Western mass right, yeah, probably, yeah, in 1:35:10.160 --> 1:35:11.440 northwest Massachusetts. 1:35:13.400 --> 1:35:15.280 I mean you drive right through Western mass to go 1:35:15.280 --> 1:35:18.880 to Ithaca College. Well, that's the furthest west of Worcester 1:35:18.920 --> 1:35:20.719 I've ever been. That's driving to Ithaca. 1:35:22.040 --> 1:35:27.559 Oh, it's the home of Brett Socks Legendrico Portgona. No idea, 1:35:27.760 --> 1:35:28.560 I don't. 1:35:29.840 --> 1:35:33.760 He says he's disappointed, and this is Josh speaking. He's 1:35:33.760 --> 1:35:36.840 disappointed that Patriots don't need defense because he loves Jared 1:35:36.960 --> 1:35:38.000 Verse from Florida. 1:35:38.040 --> 1:35:40.439 Dude, there's so many players in this draft that I'm like, 1:35:41.520 --> 1:35:46.639 so Jared versus one Dallas Turner's another picking this high. 1:35:46.680 --> 1:35:49.600 Cameron Kitchens from Miami's really the one though, Like I 1:35:49.640 --> 1:35:55.200 look at Camera Kitchens his safety Yeah modern Devin mccordy. Yeah, 1:35:55.240 --> 1:35:58.280 Like he's a little bit bigger, he's got some more 1:35:58.320 --> 1:36:01.320 box Like you put that guy on the back end 1:36:01.320 --> 1:36:03.880 of your defense and you don't have to worry about 1:36:03.880 --> 1:36:07.559 a thing. He's highly instinctive, he's very smart. He can 1:36:07.600 --> 1:36:11.240 cover a ton of ground. Like he's gonna be a falcon. Right, 1:36:11.280 --> 1:36:13.120 Bill goes to Falcons. This guy's gonna be a falcon. 1:36:13.200 --> 1:36:15.400 They're gonna put him next to Jesse Bates And that's 1:36:15.439 --> 1:36:19.280 Devin mccordy and Patrick Chung right there. I really wish 1:36:19.560 --> 1:36:22.160 we could talk about Cameron Kitchens as a patriot because 1:36:22.640 --> 1:36:24.840 boy is he fun to watch. Boy does he do 1:36:24.920 --> 1:36:26.719 some of the things they need done on that defense. 1:36:26.760 --> 1:36:29.120 But yeah, I mean he's gonna be a first round pick. 1:36:29.280 --> 1:36:31.679 If not, you know, he'll be top fifty for sure. 1:36:31.680 --> 1:36:34.760 He'll probably end up a first round pick. They just 1:36:34.760 --> 1:36:36.880 can't afford to take a safety in that spot. Three 1:36:37.000 --> 1:36:38.559 four years or four or five years fromw when he's 1:36:38.600 --> 1:36:40.280 a free agent. Yeah, I'll be paunding on the table 1:36:40.280 --> 1:36:41.080 for Cameron Kitchens. 1:36:41.400 --> 1:36:44.879 So Jared Versus a fun player like Jared versus Violet Angry, 1:36:46.080 --> 1:36:51.679 just explosive upper body. Yeah, I think that big dude, 1:36:52.000 --> 1:36:53.880 who is the guy that Raiders drafted last year for 1:36:53.920 --> 1:36:56.519 some reason. It's it's escaping me the first round guy 1:36:56.960 --> 1:36:57.599 Edge Rusher. 1:36:59.320 --> 1:37:00.000 Yeah, I can't remember. 1:37:00.720 --> 1:37:02.200 It'll come to me in a second. You can look 1:37:02.240 --> 1:37:06.080 it up. He's like, if that ty Wilson, Tyree Wilson. Yeah, 1:37:06.120 --> 1:37:08.479 He's like, if Tyree Wilson had to get off right, 1:37:08.560 --> 1:37:10.200 like if you could have if he that guy had 1:37:10.240 --> 1:37:13.840 first step explosiveness and the power, and like that was 1:37:13.880 --> 1:37:15.880 the thing about Tyree Wilson. Why he hasn't and he 1:37:15.920 --> 1:37:18.679 had a horrible rookie year with the Raiders is because 1:37:18.760 --> 1:37:21.679 he's he's got lead feet, like he's got he's got 1:37:21.720 --> 1:37:24.240 no quickness, but he just was like the Hulk and 1:37:24.280 --> 1:37:26.519 would just like throw people to the ground. That works 1:37:26.520 --> 1:37:29.439 in college. Jared Verse has like a motor and the 1:37:29.680 --> 1:37:32.679 and the Hulk power, but he also got. 1:37:32.160 --> 1:37:34.640 This edge class is so fun. Dallas Turner lay to 1:37:34.800 --> 1:37:37.519 lot to Verse, Chop Robinson, Braylan Trice. 1:37:37.640 --> 1:37:41.040 Chop Robinson's just a great name. I mean he's got 1:37:41.040 --> 1:37:42.880 to have a cross chop, right, Like, that's why the things. 1:37:42.920 --> 1:37:44.600 I mean, I haven't watched him a ton because this 1:37:44.640 --> 1:37:46.880 is just where Penn State guys. They wouldn't take him anyway. 1:37:46.960 --> 1:37:49.920 But all right, here's another another long one from Tom 1:37:49.960 --> 1:37:51.080 in the UK. 1:37:51.600 --> 1:37:58.720 So uh, real name Chop Robinson. 1:37:58.400 --> 1:38:04.080 By the way, So here's Tom in the UK. This 1:38:04.160 --> 1:38:07.400 is actually pretty newsworthy right now because I just saw 1:38:07.400 --> 1:38:10.880 a tweet that the Bears are interviewing Zach Robinson for 1:38:10.960 --> 1:38:15.679 their offensive coordinator position. The Bears are interviewing Zach Robinson. 1:38:15.800 --> 1:38:18.479 No hire Roman, Greg Roman? 1:38:19.240 --> 1:38:24.120 Yeah right. I I love the idea of Zach Robinson 1:38:24.160 --> 1:38:27.519 and the reason, like it's not even about the fact 1:38:27.520 --> 1:38:29.760 that he played here. The reason why I like that 1:38:29.800 --> 1:38:31.680 he played here is because they might actually hire him 1:38:31.680 --> 1:38:33.439 because they know who he is, right, Like, it's not 1:38:33.720 --> 1:38:35.920 it's an Adrian Clem situation, like they actually have a 1:38:35.960 --> 1:38:39.760 relationship with the guy. But I love the idea of 1:38:39.920 --> 1:38:44.040 Zach Robinson, who is kind of like, you know quarterback 1:38:44.080 --> 1:38:48.439 guy right obviously played quarterback like you know Kevin O'Connell ish, right, 1:38:48.520 --> 1:38:50.680 like in just that sort of thing. That's what you're 1:38:50.680 --> 1:38:54.200 going for a backup quarterback. You know, Kellen Moore, Kevin O'Connell, 1:38:54.280 --> 1:38:58.360 that that type of person with the McVeigh background, right, 1:38:58.439 --> 1:39:01.280 So you're bringing essentially you would hope that he would 1:39:01.280 --> 1:39:04.760 be bringing the McVeigh offense to New England and he 1:39:04.800 --> 1:39:08.280 would have that quarterback whisper thing. Before he got into 1:39:08.320 --> 1:39:11.759 actual coaching with the Rams, he was working at PFF, 1:39:11.840 --> 1:39:15.479 but he was also working as a quarterbacks consultant and 1:39:15.600 --> 1:39:19.879 like coach, like a Jordan Palmer type, Quincy Avery, Jordan Palmer, 1:39:20.240 --> 1:39:22.280 those types of guys. So this is a guy that 1:39:22.400 --> 1:39:25.760 not only could build your offense like the Rams have, 1:39:26.120 --> 1:39:29.479 but he would also be able to really develop your quarterback. 1:39:29.479 --> 1:39:31.479 And when I say really, I mean like footwork and 1:39:31.560 --> 1:39:34.439 mechanics and like you wouldn't need to send this guy 1:39:34.479 --> 1:39:37.479 to Jordan Palmer because you would have your own Jordan 1:39:37.520 --> 1:39:38.639 Palmer in house. 1:39:38.680 --> 1:39:40.599 You have like a true quarterback coach. 1:39:40.720 --> 1:39:43.800 Yeah. I love the idea of Zach Robinson and the 1:39:43.840 --> 1:39:46.920 fact that they haven't kicked the tires on him. It 1:39:47.080 --> 1:39:50.960 makes me upset. Hopefully that's they're still playing things close 1:39:51.000 --> 1:39:52.640 to the vest like they did in the Belichick era, 1:39:52.680 --> 1:39:54.360 and we're just gonna kind of find out about it, 1:39:54.960 --> 1:39:57.320 But I really love the idea of Zach Robinson. I 1:39:57.320 --> 1:40:00.560 think that that would be my probably my well, my 1:40:00.640 --> 1:40:02.840 dream high would be Cliff but that's not happening, So 1:40:02.920 --> 1:40:05.040 my second one would be would be Zach Robinson. 1:40:05.600 --> 1:40:09.000 Yeah. Yeah, he'd be a great higher. He'd be up 1:40:09.000 --> 1:40:10.400 there again, like you said, he's gonna bring a lot 1:40:10.439 --> 1:40:12.840 of those modern elements you want. I think a true quarterback. 1:40:13.080 --> 1:40:15.160 They haven't really had a true quarterbacks coach. They've had 1:40:15.160 --> 1:40:18.759 some offensive coordinators who are also you know, experienced with quarterbacks, 1:40:18.800 --> 1:40:20.360 but they haven't had a true quarterbacks coach here in 1:40:20.400 --> 1:40:20.719 a while. 1:40:20.880 --> 1:40:25.599 Okay, this email, Alex says, Kean Coleman is Nikhil Harry 1:40:25.760 --> 1:40:26.360 two point zero. 1:40:26.439 --> 1:40:27.080 I mean he might be. 1:40:27.160 --> 1:40:29.839 That's you know, that's that's kind of how I feel. 1:40:29.640 --> 1:40:32.479 Floor ceiling T Higgins. Nikhil Harry, That's kind of how 1:40:32.520 --> 1:40:35.160 I feel the way around stealing floor T Higgins. 1:40:35.200 --> 1:40:37.320 And I also wants to know and he says, Troy 1:40:37.400 --> 1:40:39.920 Franklins better than Taekwon Thornton. I think he might be too. 1:40:39.800 --> 1:40:41.679 But that's better, but the same kind of player. 1:40:42.320 --> 1:40:47.679 And the last point he makes Ladd McConkie, No, Lad, 1:40:48.960 --> 1:40:51.479 come on, I have come on, give me your Lad 1:40:51.560 --> 1:40:54.479 McConkie take. He's not a bad player because he Okay, 1:40:54.560 --> 1:40:56.719 so let me ask you this about Lad McConkie. Yeah, 1:40:56.760 --> 1:40:58.800 so I'm gonna go with I'm gonna give you two 1:40:58.800 --> 1:41:01.760 white stereotypes, and you tell me which one he's closer to. Okay, Okay, 1:41:01.960 --> 1:41:07.240 Jordy Nelson and Cooper Cup. I mean he's he's probably 1:41:07.240 --> 1:41:09.320 closer to Jordy Nelson. Yeah, I agree. 1:41:09.880 --> 1:41:17.080 I just I don't know he's he's so Georgia's offensive 1:41:17.120 --> 1:41:19.680 line and run game have been dominant for years. You 1:41:19.680 --> 1:41:22.639 don't get a lot of complex coverages against Georgia. You're 1:41:22.680 --> 1:41:25.000 pretty much one on one if you're a receiver for 1:41:25.160 --> 1:41:27.240 and then you throw brock Bowers into it as well. 1:41:27.280 --> 1:41:28.960 There's not a lot of help over the top because 1:41:29.000 --> 1:41:31.800 the tight ends are worried about. They're the safeties. He 1:41:31.840 --> 1:41:34.960 worried about the tight end. Like does Ladd McConkie do 1:41:35.040 --> 1:41:37.160 some nice things? Yes? Like can he be as serviceable 1:41:37.240 --> 1:41:39.360 NFL player? Yes? You know who he actually kind of 1:41:39.360 --> 1:41:41.120 reminds me a little bit of is Chris Hogan. He's 1:41:41.160 --> 1:41:43.479 not quite as fast, but that kind of guy. Yeah, 1:41:43.760 --> 1:41:48.080 I just as a second round pick don't. I don't 1:41:48.080 --> 1:41:50.600 think Ladd McConkie's ever going to be a wide receiver one. No, 1:41:50.760 --> 1:41:52.360 I don't think that's ever gonna happen. I like the 1:41:52.760 --> 1:41:55.000 he's like draft the bolek Chris Hogan. I do like 1:41:55.040 --> 1:41:57.280 that kind of He's not quite as fast Hogan was 1:41:57.320 --> 1:41:59.639 sneaky fast. I I don't think he's got that kind 1:41:59.640 --> 1:42:01.480 of top uh top. 1:42:01.600 --> 1:42:03.360 I also like if you're looking for ceiling, like I 1:42:03.400 --> 1:42:05.360 do think Jordy Nelson's probably the comp. 1:42:05.240 --> 1:42:07.519 Yeah, but even Jordy Nelson was never really a true 1:42:08.200 --> 1:42:09.800 wide receiver one was he? 1:42:10.040 --> 1:42:12.960 Uh No? Because they it wasn't DeVante Adams yet, but 1:42:13.000 --> 1:42:16.000 they had they had somebody else in those packer teams 1:42:16.400 --> 1:42:19.519 on the outside. It's not I don't remember. 1:42:20.000 --> 1:42:22.120 I can't remember either, but like they it wasn't real. 1:42:22.080 --> 1:42:26.000 Cob it might have been. They definitely overlapped, but there 1:42:26.040 --> 1:42:27.920 was somebody else on the Maybe it was like the 1:42:28.080 --> 1:42:30.559 end of Donald Driver or something like that. Right, Like, 1:42:30.640 --> 1:42:32.160 I don't know, that's not the point. 1:42:32.520 --> 1:42:35.360 Like if I'm taking a guy in the top sixty, oh, 1:42:35.400 --> 1:42:36.520 Greg Jennings. 1:42:36.080 --> 1:42:40.599 Greg Jennings was Greg Jennings, Greg Greg jens the team 1:42:40.760 --> 1:42:41.920 on his back. 1:42:41.840 --> 1:42:46.400 Though forgot it all time. Great great YouTube video that 1:42:46.560 --> 1:42:50.280 was awesome. I I just don't can Lad McConkie be 1:42:50.400 --> 1:42:54.080 like a good reliable wide receiver two Yeah, I think 1:42:54.160 --> 1:42:57.880 so he's never gonna be that coverage dictating Tuesday morning 1:42:57.960 --> 1:43:00.599 receiver on just not taking that guy in the top 1:43:00.640 --> 1:43:02.080 fifty lot he doesn't know. 1:43:02.320 --> 1:43:03.400 I think it's a third round pick. 1:43:03.600 --> 1:43:06.640 I think late third round. Yeah, might be. I'm not 1:43:06.720 --> 1:43:09.240 taking him unless he who what are the pay peop 1:43:09.280 --> 1:43:11.639 on saying, who is that guy gonna have like sixty 1:43:12.479 --> 1:43:14.160 unless he like puts down like a four to three 1:43:14.240 --> 1:43:16.560 out of nowhere and you're like or something like that, 1:43:16.720 --> 1:43:20.160 And we just at missing the speed because he plays 1:43:20.280 --> 1:43:23.080 differently because some guys they they don't always run a 1:43:23.160 --> 1:43:24.880 hundred at one hundred miles an hour, right like. 1:43:24.920 --> 1:43:28.760 They they played more of like a varied shifty game 1:43:28.760 --> 1:43:30.800 where they kind of tempo speeds and things like that. 1:43:30.960 --> 1:43:33.920 That's what helps them get open that good receivers do that. 1:43:34.120 --> 1:43:36.080 You know, you don't have to run one hundred miles 1:43:36.080 --> 1:43:39.000 an hour. I think that's a problem that Taekwon Thornton has. Yeah, 1:43:39.040 --> 1:43:40.960 it's like you just got to slow down sometimes and 1:43:41.080 --> 1:43:43.559 then you know when to use your superpower and when 1:43:43.640 --> 1:43:45.600 not to. I think that's part of the reason what 1:43:45.720 --> 1:43:48.240 makes Tyreek Kill so ridiculous is like he can just 1:43:48.320 --> 1:43:50.880 hit the throttle at any time and you think he's 1:43:50.920 --> 1:43:52.800 moving at one hundred percent, but he's not. He's moving 1:43:52.840 --> 1:43:55.720 at like seventy five. All right, Alex, we got the 1:43:55.800 --> 1:44:03.320 email from Ari. What about J J McCarthy. We're gonna 1:44:03.320 --> 1:44:06.200 get this email like a thousand times between now and 1:44:06.400 --> 1:44:10.200 in April twenty eighth. JJ McCarthy, I. 1:44:10.560 --> 1:44:13.360 Tweeted out Win Zavin he wins I tuned. 1:44:13.160 --> 1:44:16.040 It out the other day that he uh, it blows 1:44:16.120 --> 1:44:18.720 my mind that somebody who I really really respect a 1:44:18.760 --> 1:44:22.679 ton in the draft community and Dan Brugler has JJ 1:44:22.800 --> 1:44:25.960 McCarthy as a late first round pick. I I don't 1:44:26.000 --> 1:44:28.519 see it. So I'm not trying to crap on the guy. 1:44:28.560 --> 1:44:29.240 I just don't see it. 1:44:29.360 --> 1:44:32.640 Let me say this, I see I could see a 1:44:32.680 --> 1:44:35.519 team taking him in the first round because NFL teams 1:44:35.520 --> 1:44:38.280 are bad at the draft. He's not a FIR, he 1:44:38.280 --> 1:44:40.880 shouldn't be a first round pick. But I can see 1:44:40.880 --> 1:44:44.280 an NFO. He went to Michigan, he won a national championship. Look, 1:44:44.320 --> 1:44:46.360 he moves around like, yeah, I can see a team 1:44:46.400 --> 1:44:48.879 getting all hot and bothered over him. I wouldn't. I wouldn't. 1:44:48.880 --> 1:44:49.080 I'm not. 1:44:49.240 --> 1:44:51.280 I think I'm actually higher on JJ McCarthy than you are. 1:44:51.600 --> 1:44:51.880 I think. 1:44:51.960 --> 1:44:54.680 So he's sitting there in like the nineties and you 1:44:54.720 --> 1:44:56.559 can trade back up in like one of the compics 1:44:56.640 --> 1:44:59.080 late in the third. He's not a bad project player. 1:44:59.520 --> 1:45:00.880 I do you know his. 1:45:01.080 --> 1:45:05.960 Size, his athleticism. He is super young. If you maybe 1:45:06.000 --> 1:45:08.519 not not for the Patriots obviously obviously because they're not 1:45:08.560 --> 1:45:10.519 in this position, but if you're a team trying to 1:45:10.600 --> 1:45:14.240 like do the Jordan Love plan, yeah he would be 1:45:14.880 --> 1:45:17.240 a really not the first round again, Jordan Love's first 1:45:17.280 --> 1:45:19.800 round pick. I wouldn't do that. But if maybe it'd 1:45:19.840 --> 1:45:22.200 be more like Jalen Hurts. But if you're a team 1:45:22.439 --> 1:45:25.000 like the Packers where you know you only have X 1:45:25.080 --> 1:45:27.240 number of years left with Aaron Rodgers, or you're a 1:45:27.320 --> 1:45:29.720 team like the Jaguars or the Eagles where maybe you're 1:45:29.800 --> 1:45:32.920 not not the Eagles, the Jaguars or the Niners, where 1:45:32.920 --> 1:45:35.040 you're not sure if you're gonna bring that quarterback back, 1:45:35.080 --> 1:45:37.000 you're not sure you're gonna pay that quarterback, and you 1:45:37.080 --> 1:45:38.479 want to have a plan B. But you don't need 1:45:38.600 --> 1:45:40.840 him right now. Those are the teams for me that 1:45:40.920 --> 1:45:43.599 look at JJ McCarthy because he needs at least a year. 1:45:43.840 --> 1:45:47.200 It might be too it might be too for the Patriots. 1:45:47.720 --> 1:45:53.519 No, yes, so JJ McCarthy. I will admit that I 1:45:54.160 --> 1:45:57.160 had some biases going into watching him because of watching 1:45:57.200 --> 1:45:59.280 him live. Yeah, and I just couldn't. 1:45:59.520 --> 1:46:00.639 I was like, I can't. 1:46:00.920 --> 1:46:03.240 I don't understand the guy sprays the ball all over 1:46:03.320 --> 1:46:06.080 the place. He has one pitch. It's a ninety nine 1:46:06.120 --> 1:46:08.960 mile on hour fastball, which bugs me more than some 1:46:09.160 --> 1:46:12.000 it bugs other people. I understand that I would need 1:46:12.040 --> 1:46:14.280 a quarterback that can throw multiple types of pitches. You 1:46:14.360 --> 1:46:16.439 need to fast if you have If you have a 1:46:16.479 --> 1:46:18.280 guy that's crossing over the middle of the field on 1:46:18.439 --> 1:46:20.639 mesh and he's eight yards away from you, I don't 1:46:20.640 --> 1:46:22.200 want you to throw it through him. I want you 1:46:22.320 --> 1:46:25.880 to lead him and put it softly, pillowy on his hands. 1:46:26.080 --> 1:46:28.320 I think that that was one of the most underrated 1:46:28.360 --> 1:46:30.800 aspects of Tom Brady's arm talent, is that he could 1:46:30.800 --> 1:46:32.640 throw it through the door or he could throw a 1:46:32.720 --> 1:46:35.600 nice pillowy touch pass. Yeah, that just like looked like 1:46:35.680 --> 1:46:38.320 the receiver just had no effort to have to catch it. 1:46:38.680 --> 1:46:41.800 That's that's my kind of guy. When JJ McCarthy in this, 1:46:42.120 --> 1:46:45.639 it leads to issues, especially when he's throwing outside the numbers. 1:46:45.960 --> 1:46:48.760 He needs to uncork it and he overthrows the ball 1:46:48.840 --> 1:46:51.200 so it goes ten yards over the guy's head. He 1:46:51.360 --> 1:46:54.280 has a lot of issues with the way that he 1:46:54.720 --> 1:46:57.720 can control the football. And I worry about guys like 1:46:57.800 --> 1:47:00.640 that because that's a really hard thing to deven is 1:47:00.840 --> 1:47:01.639 multiple pitches. 1:47:01.720 --> 1:47:05.680 So again, my comp form is Zach Wilson. Yeah, it's 1:47:05.920 --> 1:47:08.240 and and so because I do floor ceiling to be 1:47:08.360 --> 1:47:11.320 fair ceiling brock party. If you put him around a 1:47:11.400 --> 1:47:13.960 ton of talent like he has a Michigan, he's gonna 1:47:14.000 --> 1:47:16.080 be able to operate and he might give. 1:47:16.000 --> 1:47:18.400 You comp is way way meaner. 1:47:18.400 --> 1:47:19.960 I'm trying to remember who he Oh, okay, I'll let 1:47:19.960 --> 1:47:22.000 you get to the second. But at the end of 1:47:22.120 --> 1:47:24.400 Zach wilt like J. J. McCarthy's gonna go to the 1:47:24.479 --> 1:47:26.479 Pro day and he's gonna do the thing where he's 1:47:26.520 --> 1:47:28.479 in shorts and a T shirt and he rolls to 1:47:28.560 --> 1:47:30.200 the left and then comes back to the right and 1:47:30.320 --> 1:47:32.920 flips his hips and throws the ball seventy yards. Oh 1:47:33.000 --> 1:47:35.880 my god. Throw is if every single quarterback in the 1:47:36.000 --> 1:47:38.400 last five years hasn't made that throw At his pro day, 1:47:38.600 --> 1:47:42.160 Anthony Richardson's hit the ceiling right. Anthony Richardson's was actually impressive, 1:47:42.360 --> 1:47:44.560 but Zach Wilson didn't ever resign. Oh my god, this 1:47:44.680 --> 1:47:46.599 is why the Jets are taking Zach Wilson second overall. 1:47:46.640 --> 1:47:49.840 It's like because he can throw in shorts. So I 1:47:50.040 --> 1:47:52.040 just I see so much as Zach Wilson. Rich this 1:47:52.120 --> 1:47:56.800 guy that's like one tab does this uber competitor? I 1:47:56.840 --> 1:47:59.280 don't see it. Yeah, I don't see it. Zach Wilson. 1:47:59.360 --> 1:48:03.040 Any team, time, place except Coastal Carolina wouldn't go down 1:48:03.080 --> 1:48:05.080 and face my guy. Grace and McCall In the COVID year, 1:48:05.840 --> 1:48:08.320 I think, like you said, Zach Wilson, everything came out 1:48:08.320 --> 1:48:10.120 of his hands a million miles an hour. Yeah, and 1:48:10.240 --> 1:48:15.160 there's also I in the big games, they took it 1:48:15.200 --> 1:48:17.519 out of his hands. Now that's a little different, Zack Wilson. 1:48:17.680 --> 1:48:19.360 Zach Wilson had the ball in his hands late in 1:48:19.400 --> 1:48:22.800 games and choked, specifically against Coastal when he finally played them. 1:48:23.200 --> 1:48:27.559 JJ McCarthy. It's not a great and I know, Harboss 1:48:27.560 --> 1:48:29.799 says all the stuff. Oh, he's the best Michigan quarterback 1:48:29.800 --> 1:48:33.320 since Tom Brady won that bar super low right now 1:48:33.400 --> 1:48:34.759 that title is held by Chad Henny. 1:48:34.840 --> 1:48:37.120 Yeah, like Tom Brady in college was not tom Brady 1:48:37.240 --> 1:48:39.320 yet And and some of that was circumstance, like I 1:48:39.439 --> 1:48:40.680 know that the story, but like. 1:48:40.760 --> 1:48:43.640 Even even besides, like all right, cool, you better than 1:48:43.680 --> 1:48:46.960 Chad Henny. Congratulations, it's not high bar. Also it you know, 1:48:47.280 --> 1:48:50.040 don't talk about it, be about it. If JJ McCarthy 1:48:50.160 --> 1:48:53.080 was that good, why'd he only throw eight times against 1:48:53.120 --> 1:48:54.840 Penn State? Why'd you take the ball out of his 1:48:54.880 --> 1:48:56.519 hands late against Ohio State? Why did you take the 1:48:56.560 --> 1:48:59.400 ball out of his hands in the playoff? Like, yeah, Harbaugh, 1:48:59.600 --> 1:49:01.960 Well I guess, Harbor, he's a really good Ohio State game. 1:49:02.000 --> 1:49:03.000 Harriball wasn't calling, But. 1:49:03.280 --> 1:49:05.479 Yeah, he's a really good fit. And I'll give my 1:49:05.560 --> 1:49:08.200 competence second, but he's a really good fit if you 1:49:08.400 --> 1:49:14.679 run like a downhill power run game where all he's 1:49:14.720 --> 1:49:16.800 got to do is throw off of like play action 1:49:16.960 --> 1:49:20.560 and moving pockets right right, you know, it's kind of shanahany, 1:49:20.680 --> 1:49:22.680 Like every quarterback could fit in the Shanahan scheme. So 1:49:22.720 --> 1:49:25.519 I hate saying like, oh, just put him with Kyle Shanahan, Like, yeah, 1:49:25.600 --> 1:49:28.479 everybody's gonna look, you know, decent if you if you're 1:49:28.520 --> 1:49:30.599 worth a damn in the league, like Sam Darnold look 1:49:30.640 --> 1:49:33.120 good in the preseason playing in the forty nine ers offense. 1:49:33.400 --> 1:49:36.280 The point is is that he is. Yeah, like if 1:49:36.360 --> 1:49:40.559 you open passing windows for him to throw in between 1:49:40.600 --> 1:49:44.360 the numbers with play action, he has made some decent 1:49:44.439 --> 1:49:45.040 throws if you. 1:49:45.080 --> 1:49:47.240 Make it easy for him. He's capable and he can. 1:49:47.400 --> 1:49:49.679 The one thing he does well is throw off platform. 1:49:50.000 --> 1:49:52.320 He doesn't always need to set his feet to deliver 1:49:52.439 --> 1:49:54.840 the ball. So yeah, if you're rolling him out a 1:49:54.920 --> 1:49:57.960 ton and you have guys that can you talk about 1:49:58.040 --> 1:50:00.320 Roman Wilson his ability to create after the can you 1:50:00.400 --> 1:50:02.040 know how I feel that Blake corm and done. Even 1:50:02.120 --> 1:50:03.600 Edwards went back to school, So you only have to 1:50:03.640 --> 1:50:05.000 hear me talk about one of them for the next 1:50:05.080 --> 1:50:05.759 four months. 1:50:05.720 --> 1:50:08.120 The one that's gonna go higher, Like no, we're not, 1:50:08.320 --> 1:50:08.960 We're not doing this. 1:50:09.120 --> 1:50:10.519 Some people thought they might go back to back, some 1:50:10.600 --> 1:50:13.960 people had them as RB's two and three, But yeah, 1:50:14.040 --> 1:50:18.360 I just for what the Patriots need. He's you couldn't 1:50:18.400 --> 1:50:21.240 be further of a fit. So what can I get 1:50:21.280 --> 1:50:24.640 my give your comment? Remember who my mean comm for J. 1:50:24.760 --> 1:50:29.320 J McCarthy Mitchell Trubisky. And people are gonna hear that. 1:50:29.720 --> 1:50:33.520 That are especially the Michigan fans, and they're the pitchforks 1:50:33.520 --> 1:50:37.640 are gonna come out, are so protective the Wolverines are 1:50:37.680 --> 1:50:38.120 coming out. 1:50:38.360 --> 1:50:42.880 But here's the thing. If Mitchell Trubisky was drafted as 1:50:42.960 --> 1:50:46.360 like a day two project quarterback that I'm not saying 1:50:46.400 --> 1:50:47.840 he would have been like a Hall of Famer. I'm 1:50:47.920 --> 1:50:52.000 just saying his career in the like reputation that he 1:50:52.160 --> 1:50:53.439 holds is much different. 1:50:53.479 --> 1:50:54.519 It would be decent. 1:50:55.200 --> 1:50:57.280 The problem was is that he was drafted third overall, 1:50:57.360 --> 1:51:00.599 ahead from the Patrick Mahomes and Deshaan Waton wants that right, Yeah, 1:51:00.640 --> 1:51:03.400 so like that's that's it's a different conversation. So I 1:51:03.479 --> 1:51:06.920 would take JJ McCarthy in like the middle rounds, not 1:51:07.040 --> 1:51:12.720 the second. I probably wouldn't take the would late third. Yeah, yeah, 1:51:12.880 --> 1:51:15.360 I would take him in the middle rock and see 1:51:15.400 --> 1:51:18.920 if he develops into something fine. In a lot of ways, 1:51:18.960 --> 1:51:20.800 I look at him and like you know, just from 1:51:20.880 --> 1:51:23.040 like the spot and all, like Davis Mills Ish right, 1:51:23.160 --> 1:51:27.080 like third fourth, Rod got some tools, got some ability, Like, 1:51:27.200 --> 1:51:30.600 let's see what happens. Oh, I have No, I'm not 1:51:30.640 --> 1:51:35.559 saying he's playing style wise. He's got enough physical tools 1:51:35.560 --> 1:51:38.080 that I understand why people look at JJ McCarthy and 1:51:38.160 --> 1:51:40.719 say he could develop into something in the league. 1:51:40.840 --> 1:51:41.200 I get it. 1:51:41.439 --> 1:51:44.040 He's got a good arm, he's got mobility, he's got 1:51:44.320 --> 1:51:46.680 the throw on the run at of structure. Stuff like 1:51:46.800 --> 1:51:51.080 you mentioned is there. But he is extremely, extremely raw 1:51:51.080 --> 1:51:53.920 and inconsistent right now. So that's just why I'm not 1:51:54.120 --> 1:51:57.040 touching that type of player in the first round. You 1:51:57.320 --> 1:51:58.920 if your first round pick, you have to be able 1:51:59.000 --> 1:52:01.080 to do some stuff right out of the gate, right, 1:52:01.160 --> 1:52:04.760 and he's he's not all right. So the last couple 1:52:04.800 --> 1:52:06.760 of things, and then we got to wrap it up. Uh, 1:52:07.240 --> 1:52:10.160 somebody emailed in and I'm we talked about this to 1:52:10.240 --> 1:52:12.120 touch on it earlier, and I didn't. We didn't really 1:52:12.160 --> 1:52:15.040 hash it out. Uh, drawed Mayo. Ops, And of course 1:52:15.080 --> 1:52:17.040 I just deleted the email. Drawd Mayo. 1:52:17.320 --> 1:52:17.439 Uh. 1:52:17.640 --> 1:52:21.680 Yesterday with Steve Burton his comments, so he said, and 1:52:22.120 --> 1:52:24.559 this is the quote. I think directly, it looks right, 1:52:25.040 --> 1:52:27.679 we are going to draft the best player for a position. 1:52:28.080 --> 1:52:31.800 That is very important. Dot dot dot. You put the 1:52:31.840 --> 1:52:35.120 pieces together. So a lot of people took this as 1:52:35.640 --> 1:52:37.840 it could mean anything. It could even be a boat, right, 1:52:37.920 --> 1:52:40.200 like who knows, Like it could be a receiver, It 1:52:40.240 --> 1:52:42.439 could be a tackle like that. You know, it could 1:52:42.520 --> 1:52:47.639 just mean premium position, but best player at a position 1:52:47.760 --> 1:52:51.320 that is very important. You put the pieces together. It's 1:52:51.360 --> 1:52:52.639 hard not to put the pieces together. 1:52:52.720 --> 1:52:54.719 Jirod and say, you just told us you're taking a quarterback, 1:52:54.760 --> 1:52:57.840 except he is a linebacker, maybe a lineback. No, no, 1:52:57.920 --> 1:53:00.920 I don't look it could mean premium position, which off 1:53:00.960 --> 1:53:03.439 ball linebacker no longer a premium position, by the way, 1:53:03.720 --> 1:53:06.040 it could be a premium position, or could mean tell 1:53:06.080 --> 1:53:09.920 that to him in quarterback take Jeremiah Trotter. Uh, yeah, 1:53:10.000 --> 1:53:12.800 that's kind of where I'm at, where maybe that is 1:53:12.880 --> 1:53:15.560 his way of saying premium because left tackle is a 1:53:15.760 --> 1:53:18.439 very important position. Yeah, and I know people are gonna 1:53:18.439 --> 1:53:21.000 cringe at that, but like, is that his way of 1:53:21.040 --> 1:53:22.880 saying premium? It seems too good to be true that 1:53:22.920 --> 1:53:25.320 he just told us he's taking a quarterback. Everything else 1:53:25.360 --> 1:53:27.920 tell me he told us that, But I'm like, he 1:53:28.600 --> 1:53:29.240 really just say it. 1:53:29.479 --> 1:53:33.640 So the difference is is that The only argument that 1:53:33.720 --> 1:53:36.040 I can have that maybe he really was talking quarterback. 1:53:37.000 --> 1:53:39.040 He wants to be different from Bill, right, And I 1:53:39.120 --> 1:53:41.440 think that there is gonna be a level of transparency 1:53:41.520 --> 1:53:44.000 that didn't exist in the Belichick era. If you look 1:53:44.080 --> 1:53:46.880 at other teams, maybe their head coach of the team 1:53:47.000 --> 1:53:49.639 is not coming out and saying we're taking a quarterback 1:53:49.720 --> 1:53:52.080 this year at the top of the draft. But these 1:53:52.280 --> 1:53:58.720 vague insinuations like was anybody confused about what Carolina did 1:53:58.880 --> 1:54:03.360 last year? Did anybody think that Carolina was not taking 1:54:03.400 --> 1:54:04.240 a quarterback at one? 1:54:04.280 --> 1:54:04.599 Overall? 1:54:04.640 --> 1:54:06.680 Like take Bryce Young and CJ Stride out of it, 1:54:06.840 --> 1:54:10.760 just like everyone knew that Carolina was taking a quarterback. 1:54:11.040 --> 1:54:13.040 I don't think Carolina hid the fact that they were 1:54:13.080 --> 1:54:15.439 taking a quarterback. Now they were one, so they had 1:54:15.479 --> 1:54:18.080 no competition. So I get that like telling people at 1:54:18.080 --> 1:54:20.280 three years old, now if like somebody wants one of them, 1:54:20.320 --> 1:54:20.960 they could jump you. 1:54:21.880 --> 1:54:23.720 I don't think there was any debate for Houston, which 1:54:23.880 --> 1:54:24.880 probably more I think. 1:54:24.840 --> 1:54:28.320 That we are not used to that this being us right, right. 1:54:28.520 --> 1:54:30.360 But the point is is that I think a lot 1:54:30.439 --> 1:54:33.440 of teams are a little bit more forward with the 1:54:33.520 --> 1:54:36.320 fact that, yeah, we're in the quarterback market. 1:54:36.160 --> 1:54:39.000 We'll be able to taking a quarterback. Even if you 1:54:39.040 --> 1:54:41.320 want to be more forward, if you're picking even as 1:54:41.400 --> 1:54:43.600 high as like seventh, eighth, ninth, you can't really be 1:54:43.600 --> 1:54:45.320 because you don't know what the board's gonna look like. 1:54:45.560 --> 1:54:46.040 Right, That's it. 1:54:46.240 --> 1:54:49.160 So some of it, I think is Mayo being more transparent. 1:54:49.200 --> 1:54:51.400 The other thing is it's just easier to say that 1:54:52.080 --> 1:54:54.880 when you're picking third in a draft with three quarterbacks. Yeah, 1:54:55.200 --> 1:54:58.160 if there were two quarterbacks, Let's say Jane Daniels wasn't here, 1:54:58.320 --> 1:55:00.880 Drake Maay wasn't or Caleb Teams did to come out right, 1:55:01.560 --> 1:55:03.560 Maybe he doesn't say that. Maybe because you don't know 1:55:03.600 --> 1:55:06.160 who's going to be on the board there, it's easier 1:55:06.200 --> 1:55:10.080 to just positioning aside whoever's making the pick, positioning aside. 1:55:10.080 --> 1:55:11.720 It's it's easier to say that when you're picking in 1:55:11.720 --> 1:55:12.200 the top three. 1:55:12.320 --> 1:55:14.640 All right, as we wrap it up. Let's wrap it 1:55:14.760 --> 1:55:17.600 up on this as of today, January eighteenth, because we 1:55:17.680 --> 1:55:21.240 talked a lot about obviously for good reason. You know, 1:55:22.080 --> 1:55:26.240 Bill Gerrodmeo, the coaching staff, the Tulius Caesar Julius Caesar, 1:55:26.560 --> 1:55:30.280 which it is at two, that is from Julius Caesar 1:55:30.440 --> 1:55:30.960 by the way. 1:55:30.920 --> 1:55:32.800 Yeah, no, nobody was doubting that. It's just weird. You 1:55:32.800 --> 1:55:33.640 don't think he's a poet. 1:55:33.680 --> 1:55:35.320 All right, fine, I'll give you the poet thing, but 1:55:35.640 --> 1:55:36.880 you know what to give it to me. It's just 1:55:36.960 --> 1:55:40.000 a historical fact, dude, that's like fun. 1:55:40.040 --> 1:55:41.760 I'll give it to you. It's January eighteenth. 1:55:41.840 --> 1:55:47.520 It's not like January Alex Barth. Which quarterback are you taking? 1:55:49.440 --> 1:55:51.520 I mean, do I get Caleb Williams or is he 1:55:51.600 --> 1:55:52.000 off the board? 1:55:52.120 --> 1:55:55.080 Like, let's assume Caleb Williams is so it's May Daniels, 1:55:57.680 --> 1:55:59.360 but or mystery box? 1:56:00.240 --> 1:56:03.600 Uh so Joe Milton. People are gonna think I want 1:56:03.640 --> 1:56:05.120 them to take Joe Milton the first based on how 1:56:05.160 --> 1:56:05.920 much I talk about. 1:56:05.760 --> 1:56:07.520 Because every this is just funn This is all the 1:56:07.640 --> 1:56:09.240 question that I gets. I don't know about you, but. 1:56:11.760 --> 1:56:16.839 You want like January eighteenth. I'm still like slightly Jane Daniels, 1:56:17.000 --> 1:56:20.240 just because I think if you find a way to 1:56:20.360 --> 1:56:24.560 unlock his athleticism. Yep, you're talking about like a perennial 1:56:24.640 --> 1:56:27.560 MVP candidate and that excites me. 1:56:27.960 --> 1:56:28.120 Yep. 1:56:28.280 --> 1:56:31.360 Now that's fair if you want it here, but here's 1:56:31.360 --> 1:56:34.240 where I'm at. You can make an argument for Drake May, 1:56:34.880 --> 1:56:37.320 and I'm not necessarily gonna say you're wrong. It's a 1:56:37.400 --> 1:56:40.320 flavor thing. At this point, I need more information. I'm 1:56:40.600 --> 1:56:43.760 very lightly Jade Daniels again, because that athleticism thing, I know, 1:56:43.840 --> 1:56:45.600 classic me. I won't nail down to take. But like 1:56:46.720 --> 1:56:49.040 it's flavored, they're different. I think they're both good. They're 1:56:49.080 --> 1:56:50.960 strong cases for both. It's just what do you've got. 1:56:51.120 --> 1:56:53.080 It's like the wide receiver thing we were talking about. 1:56:53.360 --> 1:56:55.320 I would take Devonte's answer. 1:56:55.520 --> 1:56:57.200 I tried to pin you down and get you tod, 1:56:57.440 --> 1:56:59.360 I said, Jane Daniels, Yeah, I know, but you're just 1:56:59.640 --> 1:57:01.280 if is that the other thing? 1:57:01.440 --> 1:57:03.000 You know? I'm just explaining it like I would take 1:57:03.080 --> 1:57:05.720 Jane Daniels. If Jane Daniels and Drake May were both 1:57:05.760 --> 1:57:08.200 on the board, I would take Jane Daniels. But if 1:57:08.240 --> 1:57:09.600 I were in the draft room and then nine other 1:57:09.640 --> 1:57:12.320 people said Drake May, I would say, yeah, all right, 1:57:12.440 --> 1:57:14.520 Like I wouldn't necessarily put up that much of a 1:57:14.560 --> 1:57:15.000 fight about it. 1:57:15.080 --> 1:57:17.160 So I have a compound answer too. Oh boy, Okay, 1:57:17.600 --> 1:57:20.520 if we're running it back with Bill O'Brien, Josh mcci, 1:57:21.040 --> 1:57:24.040 that's obvious. So I'm going Drake May. 1:57:24.160 --> 1:57:26.360 I'm assuming you're getting the coordinator for the quarterback. 1:57:26.520 --> 1:57:29.720 If you're if you're running back the Patriots system, then 1:57:29.880 --> 1:57:32.720 Drake May and Drake May. The one thing I really 1:57:32.840 --> 1:57:35.480 like about Drake May is that he's really really good 1:57:35.560 --> 1:57:37.680 throwing to the middle of the field. Yeah, he's probably 1:57:37.760 --> 1:57:42.200 the best at like layering throws, hitting seam shots, manipulating 1:57:42.240 --> 1:57:44.000 coverage in the middle of the field. He has a 1:57:44.120 --> 1:57:45.960 really good control of the middle of the field, which 1:57:46.000 --> 1:57:48.720 is rare for a college quarterback. Like most college quarterbacks 1:57:48.920 --> 1:57:51.360 are like deep ball and then like athleticism, right, like 1:57:51.440 --> 1:57:54.360 that's sort of their thing. If it's that, I'm going 1:57:54.480 --> 1:57:57.160 Drake May. Uh, if they're gonna go outside the box 1:57:57.280 --> 1:58:00.960 and be creative and actually be different for once, then 1:58:01.320 --> 1:58:04.080 Jayden Daniels is my favorite quarterback out of this group 1:58:04.200 --> 1:58:05.960 just in terms of watching the guy, I just like 1:58:06.080 --> 1:58:08.520 watching him the most. So there's my cop out answer. 1:58:09.840 --> 1:58:11.760 I mean, but it's fair like we don't know who's 1:58:11.760 --> 1:58:13.520 going on our offense that matters. That's a part of 1:58:13.560 --> 1:58:15.600 the conversation, all right. I know we left a couple 1:58:15.640 --> 1:58:18.520 of callers on hold. Pu's about to start right now 1:58:19.000 --> 1:58:22.280 at noon, So they'll take your call on Patriots Unfiltered. 1:58:22.680 --> 1:58:24.640 Alex and I will be back next week, same time, 1:58:24.720 --> 1:58:28.240 same place for another episode of pat twenty two Senior 1:58:28.280 --> 1:58:30.680 Bowl Preview, and I will be in Mobile, so we'll 1:58:30.720 --> 1:58:31.360 talk to you guys. 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