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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two Podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth.

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Speaker 2: Lazar, Hello, everybody nailed it, joined us always buy our Bara.

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bar You want to

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Speaker 1: talk about uncharted territory? You want to talk about the

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Speaker 1: Great Unknown? Yeah, New England Patriots fans, We're in it.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Great Unknown.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Great Unknown. As sorry, I am Evan Lazar,

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Speaker 2: Alex Barth. Patriots Catch twenty two. Just a weird, weird

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Speaker 2: day Yesterday, Alex. Weird day, weird week, weird week, weird tie.

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Speaker 2: It hasn't really we haven't been on the air on

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Speaker 2: this particular show since the news broke that the Patriots

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Speaker 2: are higher Drod Mayo. I think we were on when

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Speaker 2: when they mutually parted ways is the.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we were on that afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we were on that afternoon for that, and

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Speaker 2: but we haven't been on since they named Gerrod Mayo

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Speaker 2: as the head coach. So we both have opinions on that.

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Speaker 2: But I want to start with yesterday because I feel

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Speaker 2: like everybody, you know, it's kind of a good thing.

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Speaker 2: I guess that we weren't on right away because I've

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Speaker 2: it's allowed it to like sort of seep in, right.

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Speaker 2: You know, I think immediate reaction shows are always tough

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Speaker 2: because we're all just trying to figure out what the

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Speaker 2: heck is going on. Now we've had some time to

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Speaker 2: let the dust settle, to let this soak in. That

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Speaker 2: Gerd Mayo is the head coach of the team. And

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Speaker 2: my my takeaway from yesterday, First of all, if you

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Speaker 2: were expecting some whiteboard PowerPoint presentation of how Girard Mayo

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Speaker 2: was going to fix the New England Patriots yesterday, I

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Speaker 2: understand that all of us, so Alex and I included,

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Speaker 2: are new to this whole introductory press conference thing when

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Speaker 2: it comes to a head coach. But that's not how

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Speaker 2: those things work. Okay, Like they talking and coach speak,

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Speaker 2: owners speak, big picture, very very You're not gonna get

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Speaker 2: a ton of information out of those types of things.

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Speaker 2: And if that was your expectation that they were going

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Speaker 2: to tell you who the offensive coordinator was going to

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Speaker 2: be and who was going to have final say in

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Speaker 2: the personnel decisions, and this that the other thing, and

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Speaker 2: this was not the the environment for that. With that

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Speaker 2: being said, you study Shakespeare at all, as a kid,

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Speaker 2: don't you know, Like I wasn't like a huge Shakespeare guy,

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Speaker 2: but the one, the one.

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Speaker 1: Really you struck me. He's quite the poet of it.

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Speaker 2: No, well Shakespeare, he's not a poet. Shakespeare, I'm not

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Speaker 2: a big shit there's there's not.

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Speaker 1: All about that. Do you think I just said I

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Speaker 1: don't remember anything about Shakespeare from.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Shakespeare wrote plays out.

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Speaker 1: William Shakespeare was an English playwright, poet, and actor. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm not calling him a boom all right, fine, just

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Speaker 1: like his official biography disagrees on Google.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that Wikipedia real good source. Anyways, this is not

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Speaker 2: the point. It's not the like uh Britannic or whatever.

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Speaker 2: It is the bit like the big book, the one

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Speaker 2: that has all the big book with all the facts. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 2: let me let me finish my nal.

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Speaker 1: Shakespeare X William Evan Lazar, William Shakespeare. I wasn't grinding

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Speaker 1: tape and William Shakespeare.

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Speaker 2: Can you just let me finish the point?

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Speaker 1: Geez done, go ahead.

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Speaker 2: So I I I'm not a big Shakespeare guy. But

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Speaker 2: but Julius Caesar was like the one guy that fascinated me.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's a real guy and not just like something.

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Speaker 2: Shakespeare, But I I found I discovered Julius Caesar from Shakespeare.

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Speaker 1: I discovered him from salads.

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Speaker 2: Oh god, okay, So I I discovered him. I'm into

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Speaker 2: you know, maybe it's like the devil on the shoulder

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Speaker 2: And so I look into Caesar a little bit figure out,

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Speaker 2: and you're not like the Gladiator version, like the actual

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Speaker 2: I can't help but thinking that in this situation, Bill

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Speaker 2: Belichick was Julius Caesar. We walked into that GP Atrium,

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Speaker 2: very nice space, by the way, very nice space, company man,

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Speaker 2: very nice space. And the only person that had anything

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Speaker 2: everybody is there except Bill. And we were told, and

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Speaker 2: I think this did happen, that there was a autopsy

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Speaker 2: What are the biggest issues with the team? That how

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Speaker 2: the conclusion was Bill was the problem. And I don't

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Speaker 2: else other than that. Well, and I used the Caesar

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Speaker 2: comp because at two Jerrod right like it just it

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Speaker 2: feels to me like Bill's a problem. Now with that

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Speaker 2: than we do. When I say they, I mean mister

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Speaker 2: Kraft and people craft in the buildings and actually talk

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Speaker 2: to these people and things like that. But we talked

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Speaker 2: Bill was the fall guy, and it's interesting to me

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Speaker 2: that that's how it went down, because that doesn't always

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Speaker 2: happen in life, right, Like if you come at the King,

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Speaker 2: you best not miss right right well, And that's how

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Speaker 2: the stage and ownerships here it's like, okay, so you

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Speaker 2: really thought that the biggest problem was built, so you

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Speaker 2: And I there's reasons to believe that. I'm not saying

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Speaker 2: it as in like they're wrong. I'm just saying that's

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Speaker 1: So I want to get into things will be different thing,

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Speaker 1: because I think that was a big theme for me

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Speaker 1: yesterday on your take. Look, they went four and thirteen.

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Speaker 1: Something clearly wasn't working. Everybody knew that there was always

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Speaker 1: going to be a fall guy or fall guys. We

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Speaker 1: had conversations off the air, Evan about who we thought

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Speaker 1: that would be. I don't think at one point we

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Speaker 1: either they thought that or that's what they want to

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Speaker 1: that's what that's how they want to present it, even

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Speaker 1: if it wasn't true. And at a certain point you're

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Speaker 1: because he's not here anymore. They're putting it on Bill.

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Speaker 1: They're one putting it on Bill, and it's it's an

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Speaker 1: interesting route to take. Man, it's a very interesting route

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Speaker 1: to take because if it doesn't work out, I mean,

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Speaker 1: people are already frustrated. Now you move on from the

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Speaker 1: and Robert did call him the greatest coach of all

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Speaker 1: time here say it wasn't in the other week, Like

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Speaker 1: it's not about it wasn't exactly a roast of Bill Belichick.

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Speaker 1: But you know, if it doesn't go great, it looks

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Speaker 1: like he kicked the greatest coach of all time out

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Speaker 1: Robert Craft looks like a genius. Rights like a massive,

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Speaker 2: So the buzzwords that we heard yesterday are all the

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Speaker 2: you know, collaboration, yeah, building relationships with this generation, repairingship

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Speaker 2: and repairing other relationships.

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Speaker 1: Echo chambers, right, not being an echo chamber.

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Speaker 2: So I think the biggest thing that I took away

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Speaker 2: case may be. And the other thing was the relationships

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Speaker 2: with the current generation of players, Like, how do you

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Speaker 2: not take that as a shot across the bow of

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Speaker 2: the seventy one year old coach that you just walked.

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Speaker 1: On who By the way, Ian rapporters reporting will have

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Speaker 1: a second interview with the Falcons this weekend.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we can get to that. That seems like the

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Speaker 2: only chair at this point left for Bill Belichick. And

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Speaker 2: the last one was it does feel like they want

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Speaker 2: to kind of innovate the way that they do things

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Speaker 2: bigger thing that I want to unpack in terms of

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Speaker 2: what's going on with the front office. But those three

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Speaker 2: things really line up to culture, Like they feel like

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Speaker 2: the culture needed to change. They feel like the today's

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Speaker 2: Belichick laid out. You know, the hard nose. I hate

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Speaker 2: to call it militaristic because it's that I don't like

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Speaker 2: using comparing things to the military, but you know that

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Speaker 2: sort of of look and we'll see, like we'll see

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Speaker 2: if this is the right approach. I liked Drawd a lot.

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of players we spoke to on

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Speaker 2: the record, Juwan Bentley, Jonathan Jones yesterday, I spoke to

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Speaker 2: hype for this. The right guy got the job. I

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Speaker 2: think there's a lot of energy in that room yesterday

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Speaker 2: about this move and about Girod Mayo taking over. But

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Speaker 2: the people around Girod Mayo are going to be just

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Speaker 2: as important as his ability to be a head coach.

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Speaker 2: Like who's his offensive coordinator? We still don't know right

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Speaker 2: who's his defensive coordinator. We still don't know who's the

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Speaker 2: one that has final say in the front office. We

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Speaker 2: still don't know who's actually calling the shots behind the

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Speaker 2: scenes for this football team right now, we really don't know.

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Speaker 2: And that's going to ultimately decide the fate of Girod

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Speaker 2: Mayo's regime as the Patriots head coach is all of

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Speaker 2: those other people around him, And then probably most importantly

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Speaker 2: out of all those things is obviously the quarterback and

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Speaker 2: Girod Mayo had an interview yesterday with Steve Burton. I

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Speaker 2: know some people have taken it differently than me personally.

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Speaker 2: When he says that he's going to take a player

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Speaker 2: at the most important position, you put the pieces together.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how else to put those pieces together

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Speaker 2: other than they're taking a quarterback at three overall. But

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Speaker 2: we'll get to that as well. Eight five to five,

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Speaker 2: Pats five hundred is the phone number. Radio at Patriots

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Speaker 2: dot com is the email address. This show is always

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Speaker 2: about like the nitty gritty x's and o's of this

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Speaker 2: football team. So I kind of I hate this type

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Speaker 2: of stuff, I really do. I hate the politics, the

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Speaker 2: palace coups like I know that there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: people that eat that stuff up. I wish that we

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Speaker 2: could be talking about draft prospects and offseasons. So if

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Speaker 2: you want to get into that as well, you can

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Speaker 2: give us a call and we'll certainly talk a little

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Speaker 2: bit about that. But I want to say something that's

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Speaker 2: gonna that's gonna piss you off, Alex about about the

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Speaker 2: front office. And I want to say this, and then

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Speaker 2: we'll start taking some calls and whatnot. But the thing

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Speaker 3: show every week, but most of the time it's the recording,

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Speaker 3: so I can't really ever call in. But I really

433
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 3: like it and keeping the really enjoyed during the season.

434
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Speaker 3: But the thing I wanted to touch on and I

435
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,119
Speaker 3: going back a little bit We've all been talking about,

436
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,440
Speaker 3: but I don't think I've heard either of you kind

437
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,359
Speaker 3: of give your take on the workers sham piece that

438
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 3: came out from ESPN. I guess that was last week.

439
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 3: I know that was probably mostly from Bill's camp, so

440
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,359
Speaker 3: trying to take it with a grain of salt, but

441
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 3: kind of made me feel a little bit more sympathetic

442
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:03,160
Speaker 3: for just with how kind of the relationship that deteriorated

443
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 3: with the Crafts and makes me kind of I want

444
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,159
Speaker 3: to root for him to have more success than the

445
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,640
Speaker 3: than the Patriots do for the next year or two,

446
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 3: just to kind of show that, you know, maybe he

447
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,959
Speaker 3: was right and there wrong, but I mean, I don't know,

448
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,680
Speaker 3: I've always been kind of in Bill's camp through all

449
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 3: of this, So curiser Al thought, thanks, I'll take it offline, all.

450
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 2: Right, Thanks, Tucker. Yeah, I definitely won't be going that far.

451
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,679
Speaker 2: I mean, I hope I wish Bill success where he

452
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,359
Speaker 2: else you go. You know, I'm saying with Brady right

453
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:36,199
Speaker 2: in Tampa Bay, I wouldn't. I'm going to be honest,

454
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,920
Speaker 2: like when Brady won with the Buccaneers in Tampa Bay,

455
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 2: It's done like that was not I was not all

456
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,199
Speaker 2: like happy for him, like, oh, let's go down to

457
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,479
Speaker 2: Tampa and go to the parade. Like no, I was

458
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 2: that that did not feel good.

459
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I was happy. It was a weird emotion.

460
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 1: I can't really describe I was.

461
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 2: I did not did not like that at all, because

462
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,159
Speaker 2: it's just not good for many direction, right, Like he

463
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,119
Speaker 2: wins someplace else, he could have stayed here.

464
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Speaker 1: I mean, I like, and I was happy for Tom

465
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 1: Brady that he got to accomplish. But you know what

466
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 1: it was, you know what was weird about it? You

467
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 1: know what? So I went in thinking I didn't want

468
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:12,199
Speaker 1: Brady to win, and then pregame, one of the pregame

469
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:16,400
Speaker 1: shows said something about his mom throughout that season break

470
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,919
Speaker 1: Brady's mom Yeah, would still say like when they were

471
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,159
Speaker 1: on the phone, would still say go Patriots yea. And

472
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 1: he would do it too. And that was some weird

473
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 1: sort of closure for me. And at that point I

474
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:26,719
Speaker 1: was like, I would ever go win it.

475
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 2: So the the Wickersham piece and all this stuff about

476
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,159
Speaker 2: the strays that are being thrown back and forth, I

477
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 2: think The one thing I would say about that is that,

478
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 2: in my mind, the job of an owner, the role

479
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 2: of an owner is to be the voice of reason

480
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 2: to save people from themselves, especially people like Bill who

481
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 2: are really hard to check in terms of power. Right, Like,

482
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 2: no nobody is gonna go up to Bill in this

483
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 2: organization other than Robert Kraft and say, Matt Patricia is

484
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 2: not an offensive coordinator. What the heck are we doing?

485
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:01,400
Speaker 1: Right?

486
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 2: Like, that's not gonna necessarily happen, and it's.

487
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 1: Not anybody else's job to do that, right.

488
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 2: And that's the in my mind, that's the job of

489
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 2: an owner is to step in when things are are

490
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:12,199
Speaker 2: like that are happening.

491
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The one thing that I agree with Bill on if

493
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Speaker 2: that if this is truly Bill's stanton and he's truly

494
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 2: holding these things against Robert h The one thing I

495
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 2: will agree with Bill on naming in writing Gerrod Mayo

496
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 2: the successor a year before he was or even two

497
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 2: years before, according to some reporting, before he was supposed

498
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 2: to take over the job, was making Bill lame duck.

499
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 1: But wasn't the reporting from Bill that he was okay

500
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Speaker 1: with that? That it was in Bill's contract too, that

501
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 1: there's the Wickersham one. They were like two from Breer,

502
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 1: there was the Herald one. I'm honestly losing track and

503
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:47,679
Speaker 1: what was from what?

504
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 2: So my point being is that you can definitely see

505
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,880
Speaker 2: how especially once word and word always gets out, right

506
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 2: like people always find out, and especially once the word

507
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 2: starts get out that Girod Mayo has it written in

508
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 2: his contract that he's the heir apparent to Bill Belichick.

509
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 2: That just creates a dysfunctional environment, right Like, there's gonna

510
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 2: be people that are gonna be team Girod. There's gonna

511
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 2: be people that are team Bill. There's gonna be people

512
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 2: that are gonna tell Greg Badard that he's rubbing people

513
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 2: the wrong way Girod, right like, you know that all

514
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 2: of that now, in hindsight makes so much more sense

515
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 2: because he was a made man, Drawd Mayo, and he

516
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 2: knew it. And it wasn't just a vocal promise like

517
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 2: I think it was with Josh mcdarid. This was a true,

518
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 2: written in contract language, you are the next head coach

519
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,400
Speaker 2: of the New England Patriots if and when Bill Belichick

520
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 2: is gone. And that, to me, I think was not

521
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 2: necessarily malicious or on purpose, but I think, in hindsight,

522
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 2: having the twenty twenty three coaching staff function properly with

523
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 2: that hanging over everybody's head probably was not the move.

524
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: We talked to it. I don't know if it's on

525
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: the show I talked about it. I think it was

526
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: on the show last week. Something I've learned in all

527
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,439
Speaker 1: of this is Robert Kraft is an optimist. Yeah, and

528
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,360
Speaker 1: that's not necessarily a bad thing. Like I think that's

529
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: a good trait. But if things had gone according to

530
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: plan again, it looks brilliant. You know, Bill finishes it out,

531
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 1: Girod Mayo gets to learn under him. It's this great

532
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: symbiotic relationship and then boom, you hand the thing off

533
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: clean baton pass, really no hiccup. Yeah, it obviously didn't

534
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 1: work out like that, and because it didn't, the idea

535
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: looks somewhat worse. And I think there's been some other

536
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: instances too, where you've seen the Patriots do things were like,

537
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 1: if this works out, it's gonna be great. And I

538
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: think Robert Craft truly believes himself. I think he truly

539
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 1: believes in the people he hires, and that's a good trait,

540
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: but sometimes it doesn't work out that way, and then

541
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: you get a situation like they're in right now. Yeah,

542
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 1: I just.

543
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 2: All the things that went wrong with the twenty twenty

544
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 2: three team. Now knowing this about Girod Mayo's contract kind

545
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 2: of puts it all into light. Yeah, how this all

546
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 2: kind of came out part from a coaching perspective, because

547
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 2: it never made any sense that they were so poorly coached.

548
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,640
Speaker 2: They have good coaches, right like, Bill Belichick's the greatest

549
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 2: coach of all time. I think Bill O'Brien's a good coach.

550
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,880
Speaker 2: Girod Meyo is running the defense with Steve and now

551
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 2: he's the head coach of the team, so they obviously

552
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,679
Speaker 2: think that he's a good coach. Joe Judge, for all

553
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 2: of his flaws, I think is a good special teams coach,

554
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 2: and their special teams wasn't all that much better. So

555
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 2: all these things just didn't necessarily add up. A no

556
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 2: talent in personnel is such a big reason for all

557
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 2: of that. But it just felt it felt like a

558
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 2: team that was poorly coached on the fundamentals, on the

559
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 2: details of the game, which never made any sense when

560
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 2: you looked at the actual experience and the actual knowledge

561
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 2: on the coaching staff. So all this, in hindsight is

562
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 2: really putting it all into perspective. Patty is an aguam.

563
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 2: What's up, Patty?

564
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 4: Jen?

565
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 5: All right, Kevin, I got to clear a couple of

566
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 5: things up from for you, okay, and Alex. I got

567
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 5: a couple of names I want to Roger, allright, So

568
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 5: I have an I think a two brute is from

569
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 5: Hamlin's not from Julius Caesar. That's number one. And hey,

570
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 5: I'm not I'm not judging. I'm a dummy.

571
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: So it's from Caesar.

572
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 2: It's from Caesar.

573
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 3: From Caesar.

574
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: Are you sure it's Julius Caesar's last words?

575
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, brute is his is his best buddy that he.

576
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: Never stabbed him in the back, stabbed him in the back.

577
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 5: I did say I was a dummy, So there you go.

578
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 5: And Tuesday, when I called in saying that the guy

579
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 5: that I wanted, Jayden Daniels, I wasn't looking at it

580
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 5: as sort of like a consolation prize if those first

581
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 5: two quarterbacks don't wanted to Honestly, I'm not sold on

582
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 5: Drake May. I know that they're probably not going to

583
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 5: get a chance to draft Kaylob Williams, but I think

584
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 5: I correlate Jayden Daniels game to Deshaun Watson and and

585
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 5: here's and this is why, this is how my brain works.

586
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 5: When I watched Deshaun Watson his junior year at Clemson,

587
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 5: I'm like, this guy's gonna suck. He's a one read quarterback.

588
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 5: When that reads covered, he's gonna take off and he's

589
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 5: gonna end up getting hurt. His senior year, I saw

590
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 5: him progress and I saw him like read the field

591
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 5: a little bit better. And I think I saw that

592
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 5: from Jayden Daniels this past year and what's like maybe

593
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 5: five games that I was able to watch LSU. So

594
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 5: that's where I.

595
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 3: Was going with that.

596
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 5: He's for me, he's QB two, but I would love

597
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 5: to see him on the team. And Alex the two

598
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 5: names well both of you guys, but I think Alex

599
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 5: dives a little bit steeper at this point, you know,

600
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 5: in the NFL season. Then then you might have been true.

601
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 5: If we're unable if we go QB one, yeah, number

602
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 5: number three in the in the draft, and we're not

603
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 5: able to get like a Patrick Paul in the second round,

604
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 5: Patrick von Foster. I've looked at Javon Foster offensive tackle

605
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 5: for Missouri and a sleeper wide receiver that I looked

606
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 5: at that he looks pretty good. He looks like a

607
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 5: Taekwon Thornton that's actually viable, that might actually be good

608
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 5: in the NFL. Tory Holton out of or Tory Horton

609
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 5: out of Colorado's state wide receiver. That's all I got, guys,

610
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 5: I'll pick it up here.

611
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 2: Thanks Patty uh So to the Jade and Daniels saying

612
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 2: we've texted back and forth about this a little bit recently.

613
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 2: Alex just the I'm scared. I'm just gonna say it.

614
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 2: I'm afraid for the first time in my life, Adrian,

615
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 2: I'm afraid. I am afraid to take a quarterback. I'm

616
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 2: terrified of it. That's like, that's just what comes with it.

617
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 2: It's because all you see are the flaws in the player,

618
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 2: right Like, and it's not just Jayden Daniels, Like I'm

619
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 2: sitting there and I'm watching Caleb Williams, fam whoever film

620
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 2: excuse me who? Everybody's telling me is like this Trevor

621
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 2: Lawrence Andrew Luck level prospect and I'm like, he took

622
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 2: forty sacks last year. He fumbled like eighty times, and like,

623
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 2: what am I missing? Right? And I'm not saying that

624
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 2: Kayleb Williams is not a super talented player and not

625
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 2: a His ceiling is through the roof, there's no doubt

626
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 2: about that. But part of me can't help but look

627
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 2: at this and say, he doesn't throw on time, He

628
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 2: takes a ton of sacks, he turns the ball over,

629
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,479
Speaker 2: he's reckless. And I think then with Drake May like

630
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 2: there's there's mechanical and footwork flaws that lead to accuracy

631
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 2: issues for him. Daniel Jones, Daniel Jones, I think Josh

632
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 2: Allen is probably the nicer comp right where.

633
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: Well, no, because I told you that Daniel Jones comp

634
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: and then you said you couldn't not see it.

635
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's definitely true, you know. I Jayden Daniels is

636
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 2: probably my favorite out of all three to watch, you know, Like,

637
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,959
Speaker 2: I just love that lect. I just love that style.

638
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 2: But at the same time, Patty's right, like he just

639
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,239
Speaker 2: if it's not initially there for him, his instinct is

640
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 2: just to take off running and in college he can

641
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 2: break off a forty yard scramble because nobody can catch him,

642
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 2: and the pros people are going to catch him. And

643
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 2: those forty yard scrambles might become eight yard scrambles or

644
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 2: ten yard scrambles, and he's getting hit, and then you know,

645
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 2: you worry about the injuries. Right like, here we go,

646
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,719
Speaker 2: and this is all I'm telling you, This is all.

647
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Speaker 2: I can't get it out of my head that I

648
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 2: just every time I watch one of these guys, I

649
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 2: see a lot of positives and I see a lot

650
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 2: of negatives, and none of them, by the way, I

651
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 2: think Drake may is the closest.

652
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: But none of them really played their brand of football.

653
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: And I we don't know what their brand of football

654
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: is going to be.

655
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 2: But I'm all for innovation, like you know that, I'm

656
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 2: all for modernizing. And I have a take on on

657
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 2: net that I think Mike Lombardi nailed the other day

658
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 2: that I heard. But in general, they are looking for sound,

659
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 2: instructured decision makers, guys that are gonna throw on time

660
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 2: to the open man, to the right guy, and the

661
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 2: read the right guy in the progression accurately. And none

662
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 2: of these guys fit that bill. So if you're gonna

663
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 2: do this with one of these players, you're gonna have

664
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Speaker 2: to completely rewrite how you run offense, Like.

665
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: Don't, but there's a chance they might do that. I mean,

666
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: you have a new head coach. We don't know who's

667
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: he's gonna bring into the coordinator a real shot at that.

668
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: And again this is why, and so what I would

669
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: say to you being afraid of drafting a quarterback is terrified.

670
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 1: What's the alternative?

671
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 2: The alternatives are.

672
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: The alternatives aren't pretty either.

673
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 2: The alternatives are I guess two ways, right, One is

674
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 2: the draft best player available in the first round bow

675
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 2: Knick's path, right, which is what Dame Briggler did for

676
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 2: the Patriots and his latest mock Marvin Harrison Junior at three,

677
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,720
Speaker 2: bow Knicks at thirty four, right, Like, that's one path.

678
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 2: The other pass.

679
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: So the Tennessee Titans plan more or less. Yeah, that

680
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: went well. They well, but the Titans didn't draft Marvin

681
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: Harrison Junior. All right, I mean there's that was just

682
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: the first one that came to mind.

683
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, they took Scronsky right in the first round, and

684
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 2: then it was.

685
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: Well, then they signed they signed Hopkins.

686
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. The other path is to solve the

687
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 2: quarterback problem in veteran in the veteran market. I don't

688
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,040
Speaker 2: want to say free agency, because you know.

689
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: So by the way, the other the other like second

690
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: round picks talking about Drew Locke in Denver. I think

691
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,399
Speaker 1: that was the year they took Jerry Judy. Yeah, so

692
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: that obviously didn't work out. Uh, Jalen Hurts and Philly

693
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: worked out for a year. Put a pin in that one. Uh,

694
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: Kyle Trask and Tampa Yeah, I.

695
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 2: Mean Kyle Trast sign BA. Kyle Trask's ceiling was much

696
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 2: lower than bo Nix's. Like Kyle Trask, you knew was

697
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 2: probably at his best, like a really good backup.

698
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 1: Cour Deshaun Kaiser. I'm just going back to the most

699
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 1: recent second round picks, Christian Hackenberg.

700
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 2: I feel like DeShawn Kaiser. Christian Hackenberg is back when we,

701
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 2: like teams really didn't know how to scout court. I

702
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 2: feel like we've gotten better.

703
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: At it, all right, Well I would when I say.

704
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 2: We, I mean like NFL team, So I shouldn't say we.

705
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: But there's been four quarterbacks taking in the second round

706
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: in the last five years. You're looking at Will Levis,

707
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 1: Desmond Ritter, h Kyle Trask. I might have counted wrong,

708
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts and Drew Locke.

709
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,720
Speaker 2: Back to twenty nine, great, and I have my concerns

710
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 2: about bo Nicks too, as you said.

711
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 1: But at the same time, there's that path right just

712
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: right all the angles. Well there's a third path too,

713
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: Well it's the veteran mark. No, there's a third path.

714
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,479
Speaker 1: What's that run it back? Oh well no, that's note nobody.

715
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 1: But here's my point. But but it has to be

716
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 1: because you're either talking about a thirty six year old

717
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins coming off of torn achilles, no guarantee.

718
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 2: I would just say that, okay, finish your point, and then.

719
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: There's no guarantee there. Yeah, you're talking about a super

720
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,280
Speaker 1: low ceiling player like bo Nix. Might be a decent quarterback,

721
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: he's not a franchise quarterback. He's not gonna be. He's

722
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: too old to develop to that level to make the

723
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: jumps he needs to make or run it back, which

724
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 1: I don't. Nobody wants to do so, or take the

725
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 1: guy in the first round. This is why do you

726
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: remember back in like October, when everybody was ready to

727
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: push Mac Jones out the door, and I said, you

728
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: need to be patient and make sure it wasn't this.

729
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 1: And at the time it was taken as this defense

730
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: of mac Jones. It wasn't. It was because this is

731
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: what's on the other side. And look, we ultimately found

732
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 1: out with mac Jones and he wasn't the guy. And now, yes,

733
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: this is where they are and they do. This is

734
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: not me advocating for mac Jones or Bailey's Appy, and

735
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 1: they found out with Bailey's Appy too. But the point is,

736
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 1: you don't go back to the quarterback carousel until you're

737
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: sure you absolutely need to, because as I've been saying

738
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: for months, there is no you go into that carousel,

739
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: you might not come out for twenty years. And you

740
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: can go through first round draft picks, second round draft picks, veterans,

741
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: you can keep sight, but permutations.

742
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 2: This is why I'm a little surprised that you're so

743
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 2: pro quarterback early, because you look, you're not gonna find

744
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 2: rock Perty in the seventh round, right, you can't. That's

745
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 2: an aspect that But if you take a little bit

746
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 2: more of a deliberate approach to this, and you do

747
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 2: draft the tackle or you do draft Marvin Harrison junior,

748
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 2: and you just admit to yourselves that you're probably two

749
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 2: or three years away from really being able to drop

750
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 2: a quarterback in and have it all be ready to go.

751
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 2: My biggest fear is and maybe they get away with

752
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 2: it by sitting the guy for a little bit. Maybe

753
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 2: they get away with it.

754
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: By signing bone Nicks. He's twenty four.

755
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 2: Okay, maybe not Bonnicks, But I'm talking about a first

756
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 2: round pick, right, I'm talking about a guy at three. Like,

757
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 2: maybe you you draft Jaden Daniels, you sign Gardner Minshew,

758
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 2: and the plan is really to sit Jaden Daniels at

759
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 2: least for the first half of the year unless he

760
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 2: comes out in training camp and is just an absolutely

761
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 2: dynamic player and you're like, this guy's too good to

762
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 2: keep off the field. But in general, I we've always

763
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 2: kind of uh trophied the the Niners, right, Like that's

764
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 2: not the right word, but you know what I'm trying

765
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 2: to say.

766
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: And my whole plan about you get the you build

767
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: all the pieces, you find the net neutral quarterback, you

768
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: drop into it.

769
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 2: Now you're saying the opposite.

770
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: Because I don't think they have the therey. There was

771
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: a window that they had to do that that windows passed.

772
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: If they're gonna do that now you're talking about three four,

773
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: five years, are you putting you know? After moving on

774
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 1: from Bill Belichick. Are you willing to be mediocre for

775
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: three or four years? Have drawed Meyo's coaching career. Start

776
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: being mediocre for three or four years before you really

777
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: get going. That thing takes time. When you had Brady

778
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 1: and you had a chance to put some pieces around him,

779
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: there was an opportunity to do that.

780
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll just look at it. And the other thing

781
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 2: I was, I look at the Houston Texans. Yeah, And

782
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 2: as much as I want to say, and I have

783
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 2: said in the past, that they just drop c J.

784
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 2: Stroud into that team and he and now they're in

785
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,240
Speaker 2: the divisional round. Yeah, the Nick cass Ario, the ultimately

786
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 2: Nick Cassio has been there for like three or four

787
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,280
Speaker 2: years and he has already started to build. He started

788
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 2: to build everything else around to drop that quarterback in.

789
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,760
Speaker 2: Now they stunk and they still had the second overall

790
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 2: pick in the draft to take CJ. Stroud, which means

791
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 2: that you have to have some patience. And I'm with you.

792
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 2: I don't think that they're gonna want to have patience.

793
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 2: I think they're gonna want Rodmeyo to work out right

794
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 2: out of the gate. They're gonna spend money like crazy.

795
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 2: This offseason and they're gonna throw a lot of research

796
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 2: just since I think slow can strata elevated that group.

797
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 2: Do they have that elite receiver? Do they have a

798
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison junior type wide receiver?

799
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: They don't. They have Laramie Tunzel, who's a good player. Yeah,

800
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: the rest of their line is fine. It's fine.

801
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 2: They writ it out all this year. But that's a

802
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 2: scheme that that usually gets a lot out of it.

803
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: They they got, you know, they hit on some running backs,

804
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 1: a late draft pick and a kind of free agent

805
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: wash out who they were able to reinvigorate.

806
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

807
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: No, people are pointed to the Texans. Is that blueprint of

808
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 1: if you just give it a couple of years people

809
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: in Houston won Casario gone. Oh last offseason like they

810
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: weren't building towards anything. They hit a home run on

811
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: the quarterback and the coordinator. That's what they did. And

812
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,280
Speaker 1: that's when you when So when you say the Texans

813
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: are the blueprint, I would agree, but it's not the

814
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 1: blueprint in the sense of, oh, yeah, just take some

815
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: time to build this. No, if you go, if you

816
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 1: believe in the quarterback and you take them, it can

817
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 1: do wonders because they'll elevate everybody else. So I still believe.

818
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: I still believe in the net neutral quarterback plan. For

819
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: the record, I do. I do still truly believe in that.

820
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: I just think time and place and setting it doesn't

821
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: make sense for the Patriots right now. It did at

822
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: one point when they drafted Mac Jones. It made a

823
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: lot of sense because it was Okay, you have this

824
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: quarterback on a rookie contract, you have all this cab space,

825
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: you have future draft capital, and they just didn't use

826
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: it now because they already had some pieces in place.

827
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: They had that big twenty twenty one offseason. They had had,

828
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: you know, a decent draft in twenty twenty with guys

829
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Speaker 1: like Kyle Dugger, guys like Josh Ucha, guys like Mike

830
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 1: O and Wenthu. They're not coming in with as much now,

831
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: they're not coming in with as much. So I think

832
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 1: that's why you gotta be aggressive to get the quarterback.

833
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 2: So the other thing I mentioned about Lombardi, Mike Lombardi

834
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 2: was on his podcast and I thought he made a

835
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 2: really good point there. In case he didn't know, Alex,

836
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 2: there's a Twitter X Conversations Patriots Twitter about what it

837
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 2: means to be a modern offense.

838
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: And that's kind of like, I don't think this is

839
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 1: I think this conversation is about you.

840
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 2: And partially uh, you know, and like this buzzword right

841
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 2: of modern offense, he rubs people the wrong way. And

842
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 2: I thought that Lombardi really summed up what all of

843
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 2: us that believe that the Patriots need to modernize their offense.

844
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 2: He kind of got to the crux of it really well,

845
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 2: and that is he said that the Patriots offense is

846
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 2: built on first reaction precision, right like in structure play,

847
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 2: this happens you do X, that happens you do why

848
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 2: you know, first read, second read, third read, make a

849
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 2: throw on time with accuracy, in rhythm nowadays, and especially

850
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 2: when you look at this quarterback class, that's not how

851
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 2: quarterbacks play anymore, right, quarterback play nowadays. And Patrick Mahomes

852
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 2: was on the Manning Cast and like one of the

853
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 2: only good things to come out of the Manning Cast

854
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 2: was Patrick Mahomes talking to Peyton Manning about how it's

855
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 2: changed for quarterbacks, how teams want the quarterbacks to read

856
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 2: the field. When Peyton was playing, he said that it

857
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 2: was full field progression right right, like you got from

858
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 2: one all the way to your checkdown, and that was

859
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 2: just how they wanted you to run the offense. Now

860
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 2: it's more like one, maybe a second read and then

861
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 2: do something right, make something happen, run around and make

862
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 2: something happen. And the running around and make something happen,

863
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 2: you know, initial decision not there to make something happen.

864
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 2: Type of offense is the total antithesis of the Patriots offense.

865
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 2: And that's why I look at these young quarterbacks and

866
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 2: I especially Caleb and Jaden Daniels, but even Drake May

867
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 2: who likes to be a little bit of a playmaker

868
00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 2: as well, out of structure, off platform, you know, move

869
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 2: and extend plays, create time with his legs and make

870
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 2: throws down the field. That type of stuff. They need

871
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 2: to figure out a way to adapt their offense to

872
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 2: that style of play. Well that would be That's where

873
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 2: every quarterback in this draft, asides maybe bo Nix is headed.

874
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 2: Like even JJ McCarthy, who we both don't like, and

875
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 2: for all of his flaws, he's still one of those

876
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 2: guys that likes to use his legs and likes to

877
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 2: get outside the pocket and make throws on the run.

878
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,280
Speaker 2: So no matter who you're drafting out of this class,

879
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 2: and I think moving forward that's just going to be

880
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 2: the case. I don't think you're gonna draft like Shador

881
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 2: Sanders at the top of the draft next year and

882
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 2: expect him to run the Tom Brady offense right Like

883
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 2: he's gonna want to use his mobility and use his

884
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 2: instincts and use his playmaking gene as well. So that's

885
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 2: where with modern offense with where they need to go.

886
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 2: A lot of it is surrounded by the quarterback position,

887
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 2: and a lot of these new offenses are encouraging that

888
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 2: are not only encouraging it, but building in like schematic

889
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 2: answers to allow quarterbacks to do that, like they're.

890
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:06,720
Speaker 1: Off structured chaos.

891
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, their off script is scripted, right, and that I

892
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 2: think is a much different thing than what the Patriots

893
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 2: are currently doing. And if they draft a guy like

894
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 2: Jayden Daniels third, overall, they absolutely are gonna have to

895
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 2: adapt to that style.

896
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 1: Well, this is my point too. Let's wait and see. Like,

897
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: maybe they do bring back Josh McDaniels, this has been reported.

898
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:26,760
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna go with Bill, but I understand

899
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: why Gerrodmeya would like him. Let's see what they do

900
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: at offensive coordinator. It's still a little like I hate

901
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 1: that we've had to put this caveaut and everything right

902
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,280
Speaker 1: every time we talk about the draft. Well, who's coaching

903
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: the team, who's building the team right? How many times

904
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: have we done that? We're almost the finish line, we're

905
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 1: so close, but.

906
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 2: We need the coaching staff, dun Let's let's maybe we

907
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 2: can go down the hall.

908
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 1: Maybe we can go down the hall. And I don't know.

909
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 1: I didn't see I didn't see Bobby slow walking in

910
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: the building when I got here today. So oh, he'd

911
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 1: be a head guy. He's not gonna be an offense coordinator,

912
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 1: I do. I Actually I'm curious your thoughts on that.

913
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 1: We've talked a little bit. I think we've talked about this.

914
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: The two guys who are under slowk and Houston, and

915
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:04,280
Speaker 1: one of those guys, especially Ben McDaniels, who is Josh's

916
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: younger brother, who was their passing game coordinator.

917
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 2: So Slok himself is really young in inexperienced. That's like

918
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 2: it's kind of like draw it right, Like that's like

919
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 2: the only knock on him as a head coaching candidate

920
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 2: is his an experience. So I don't know how much

921
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 2: experience his other coordinators have.

922
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:24,760
Speaker 1: Ben's forty three, Ben's been assistance.

923
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,879
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, yeah, Like Ben McDaniel's an interesting name,

924
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 2: Like I wish that we could like not have a

925
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 2: McDaniels or an O'Brien or Patricia. But if he, like,

926
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,280
Speaker 2: why do can we go a little bit further outside?

927
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 1: If he coordinated Houston's passing game.

928
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, yeah, I guess, I don't know. I mean,

929
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 2: I give a lot of that credit to Slock, Like

930
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 2: I just I look at it similarly to like what's

931
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 2: going on with the Eagles right now.

932
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: But wasn't Mike McDaniel's passing game coordinator in San Francisco.

933
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:58,720
Speaker 2: Run game coordinator. But yes, yes, it's a fair point.

934
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,359
Speaker 2: They I look at the Eagles and I look at

935
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 2: their situation right now as as something to like be

936
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 2: aware of, and that is they lose both coordinators and

937
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 2: it falls apart right like, and especially on offense, like

938
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 2: Shane Steiken walks out the door to Indy. He makes

939
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 2: Gardner Minshew like a viable starting quarterback for a season,

940
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,399
Speaker 2: and Jalen Hurts has completely fallen off. And I think

941
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 2: that that's the even when Houston, like Tamiko Ryans, I think,

942
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 2: is a really really good head coach on the defensive

943
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 2: side of the ball, good defensive mind, good motivator, all

944
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. But when Bobby Slowek leaves to

945
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:37,879
Speaker 2: coach his own team in a year or this even

946
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 2: maybe this cycle, next cycle, what's going to happen to CJ. Stroud,

947
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 2: what's going to happen to the Texans offense? Because history

948
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 2: tells us that that offense might fall apart.

949
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, so then you want like Frank Reich as the

950
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator.

951
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 2: Like, I don't know, Like, you know, there's no perfect

952
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 2: answer because like either you're taking guys that are older,

953
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 2: that have are kind of established in their ways, like

954
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 2: a Frank Rye, like an O'Brien, like a McDaniels, or

955
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 2: you're taking a chance on like a Zach Robinson, who,

956
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 2: if he hits it out of the park, is going

957
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 2: to be a head coach in two years. And ideally,

958
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 2: I think I would go to Zach Robinson route and

959
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 2: hope that he then nurtures somebody, you know, mentors somebody

960
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 2: in the building, and then it's a you know, it's

961
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 2: a passing of the torch. Kind of like Wiss to

962
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 2: McDaniels was versus starting all over in a new system.

963
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 2: But the Eagles tried that with Brian Johnson as their

964
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator when Steiken left, and it didn't work. You know,

965
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 2: Brian Johnson is not as good as Shane Stikeen. He's

966
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,399
Speaker 2: not as good as a coach, and so they their

967
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 2: offense is completely fallen apart. It's it's a tough spot

968
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 2: to be in. And you know, this is why we

969
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,959
Speaker 2: talked so much about hiring an offensive minded head coach,

970
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 2: is because this is where you're at right as much

971
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 2: as Girod is. You know, everybody's excited for the Girod

972
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,959
Speaker 2: Mayo era. Like, the offensive coordinator is a major, major

973
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,399
Speaker 2: question mark. Probably. I think the offensive coordinator is big

974
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 2: of a question mark with his team as the general

975
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 2: manager is. It's because that's the guy that's gonna be

976
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 2: developing the guy, right, Like, that's the guy that's going

977
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 2: to be coaching the quarterback, developing the quarterback, building a

978
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 2: system around the quarterback. And if you're gonna take a

979
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 2: quarterback at three and hand him to an inexperienced, defensive

980
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 2: minded head coach, you better have somebody on the offense

981
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 2: side of the ball that knows what he's doing, and

982
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 2: it's that that's probably my biggest concern out of all

983
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 2: of this. Let's get back to the phones. Roy is

984
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 2: in Natick. What's up? Roy?

985
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: Wait? Hang on? Two players, sorry, Roy? The two players

986
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:37,720
Speaker 1: that uh, oh my god, Okay, go Like Tory Horton

987
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 1: went back to school, so I really liked him, but

988
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 1: he's out. And then the tackle from Missouri. I haven't

989
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: gotten to uh watch a ton of Javon Foster. I

990
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 1: like Missouri's offense as a whole as good offense. I

991
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:50,240
Speaker 1: thought they blocked well as a whole. I gotta focus

992
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:51,879
Speaker 1: in more on him individually. But he'll be at Senior

993
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:53,879
Speaker 1: Bowl so a guy will learn more about then.

994
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 2: Okay, Roy, go ahead. Sorry, we had to talk about

995
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 2: two udfas before we took your call.

996
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: I mean, Tory Horton is gonna be a or it's

997
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 1: gonna be a top one hundred. Pick.

998
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Roy.

999
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 6: You'd like to propose a trade with the Vikings? Okay,

1000
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:07,320
Speaker 6: first overall?

1001
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,800
Speaker 2: Pick the Viking? Do you mean the Bears?

1002
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 4: No?

1003
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,479
Speaker 6: I would like to propose a trade where we send

1004
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 6: ke On Wright mac Jones. Who else?

1005
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 5: Oh?

1006
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 6: Viderian Lowe and a and a draft pick for the

1007
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 6: first overall draft pick.

1008
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 2: What do you think for the Bears first overall pick?

1009
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 1: No for the Vikings. He's saying for the Vikings first

1010
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: round pick.

1011
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 2: Do you get it?

1012
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 6: Viderian low and ke On White? Uh No, I mean

1013
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 6: we correct all the mistakes of the last three years

1014
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 6: in one trade.

1015
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 4: White a mistake, Well, well, I would rather have taken

1016
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 4: an offensive tackle there, I mean, and that's what I

1017
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 4: would do with the Vikings pick is pick a tackle.

1018
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 1: Okay, that doesn't mean you get rid of good players

1019
00:50:56,239 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 1: three So you're you're going to give the Vikings three

1020
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 1: players who aren't starting caliber and a project defensive end.

1021
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: You think you're getting the eleventh overall pick for that.

1022
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 4: It's more of a joke, just making sure who.

1023
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 6: Was the first overall talented don't you think?

1024
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, he could have been a first round pick.

1025
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, honestly, I mean, you know, these are the players

1026
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 7: that Bill made a mistake on right White instead of

1027
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 7: taking an offensive tackle, Mac Jones instead of you know,

1028
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 7: waiting for on a quarterback.

1029
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 6: So I mean, I mean, you know we could clear

1030
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:37,320
Speaker 6: all that and mess up in one trade.

1031
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 2: Okay, I get the point, thanks for the Colroy, that's

1032
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 2: not you're not getting a first round pick for that package.

1033
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 2: And Venerian Lowe was traded or cut by the Vikings

1034
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,439
Speaker 2: right to the Patriots last offseason. Yeah, so he's already

1035
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 2: been in that building. So I don't know where that

1036
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 2: trade came from.

1037
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 1: Well, let's trade. Uh, let's trade who do they still

1038
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 1: have the rights to. Let's let's trade. Uh, you know

1039
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,280
Speaker 1: James Fair and who else was on the practice squad

1040
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 1: and all those guys will see be nice. It's the old,

1041
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: the old Madden thing that used to be a glitterer.

1042
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: If you just put enough players in the trade, you

1043
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 1: could get a first pick.

1044
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 2: So his point though, of some of these guys that

1045
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 2: he feels that Bill made a mistake. Yeah, like Vaderian Lowe,

1046
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 2: Let's just like call Vaderian low what he was. Vadarian

1047
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 2: Lowe was like their sixth tackle that had to play.

1048
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 2: Like that wasn't like Bill Belichick traded for Vederia. I

1049
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,359
Speaker 2: think they traded for him, right, I keep saying that,

1050
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 2: But that's not like they traded for Verderian Lowe thinking

1051
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 2: that he was Joe Thomas right, right, Like it just

1052
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 2: that one was a depth acquisition. They needed depth in

1053
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 2: bodies at that position and he was available. That's all

1054
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,879
Speaker 2: that was. What did you make of you know, to

1055
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 2: get back to like real real world, not La la land. Yeah,

1056
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 2: what what did you make of Mac being there yesterday?

1057
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 1: You know, he's always he's always sounded pretty supportive. I

1058
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 1: thought that was interesting, and he definitely seems like the

1059
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 1: kind of guy that he's going to fight for the

1060
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 1: job as long as he has a chance to fight

1061
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: for it. You know, maybe he does ultimately end up

1062
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 1: getting traded. Maybe he doesn't know his future, but I

1063
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,399
Speaker 1: do think he still wants to be a starting quarter

1064
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: I mean I think he wants to be a starting

1065
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 1: quarterback anywhere. But this is the team he currently plays for.

1066
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: It's a good show is support for the coach, and

1067
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 1: I think he did it to kind of show like, hey,

1068
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 1: I'm still invested. Yeah, if I'm still on your roster,

1069
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,919
Speaker 1: I'm still invested. I'm still bought in. I think that's

1070
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 1: what that was. Maybe it was a little bit of

1071
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: something that Bill too, that he's there for the new guy,

1072
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: but I kind of took it as as in it

1073
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:32,799
Speaker 1: like I'm not taking my ball and going home.

1074
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Yeah, I don't think he's ever really that

1075
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 2: type of stuff. I've never really questioned with Mac Jones

1076
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 2: right commitment, work ethic. You know, he the last couple

1077
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 2: off seasons and I'm assuming this one because he was

1078
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 2: there yesterday, he stayed local and has worked out at

1079
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 2: the facility. Right, He's done his off season training at

1080
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 2: the facility. He's throwing you know, on the practice fields,

1081
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 2: on the bubble, you know, things like that with his

1082
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:59,280
Speaker 2: with his people. So he's done a lot of his work.

1083
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 2: You know, it's not like he's one of these, especially him.

1084
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 2: You know, he's from the Florida Jacksonville area. It's not

1085
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 2: like he's going home to Florida and working out there

1086
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:10,280
Speaker 2: all off season. He's He's stayed local and stayed here,

1087
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 2: So I'm not surprised that he's local or that he's

1088
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 2: here for that.

1089
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: Well, he might also, I mean John Jones flew up, Yeah,

1090
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 1: but no himself. I just wanted to mention that John

1091
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 1: Jones is the pilot, flew himself up.

1092
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 2: But I'm sure that Mac is.

1093
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: It would make sense that he'd be local. But yeah, no,

1094
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:27,879
Speaker 1: I think it was a show of support. I think

1095
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 1: it was him showing he still bought in, which doesn't

1096
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 1: surprise me. Now, buying only gets you so far. And

1097
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: if he actually does want to stay and win the job,

1098
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 1: he's got to improve on a lot of things that

1099
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 1: went wrong for him last year. I'm not saying he

1100
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 1: showed up at the press conference he's going to be

1101
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: the starting quarterback week one, but I think he was saying, like, hey,

1102
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: I like you know, I think a lot of people

1103
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: expected him to he lost his starting job last year

1104
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 1: and just kind of ride off into the sunset. I

1105
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 1: don't think that's going to be his mentality. I think

1106
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 1: as long as he's here, he's going to fight for

1107
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 1: the job. And if he gets traded, he'll fight for

1108
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 1: the job wherever he gets traded to.

1109
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 2: That'll be fascinating if they draft the quarterback, And it

1110
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,799
Speaker 2: would be very bad if they draft a quarterback at

1111
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 2: three overall and Macjones beats him, beats him out in

1112
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 2: training camp, But it would be very interesting if it

1113
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 2: is at least an argument that Mac Jones or even

1114
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 2: Bailey z Happy for that matter, is playing better next

1115
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 2: summer than the quarterback that they draft.

1116
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: Well, would make it interesting. And we kind of did

1117
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: this with Mac and Cam you're talking about two different

1118
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 1: offense whoever they draft. You just touched on it that

1119
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 1: whoever they draft in the first round, if they draft

1120
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: Bo Knicks, it's going to be similar. But I also

1121
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: think Mac Jones could be out Bo Nicks as a rookie.

1122
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: If they drafting those top thre guys, is going to

1123
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 1: be completely different offense. So then you run into that

1124
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: thing because remember Max's rookie year, he didn't really run

1125
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 1: the offense he was gonna run in camp. He ran

1126
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 1: like a modified version of the Cam Newton offense with

1127
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 1: the second string, and then they kind of had to

1128
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 1: rewrite the thing in the whole two weeks before the

1129
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 1: start of the season. So it definitely would be interesting

1130
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 1: in that regard. But I think if they take a

1131
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: quarterback in the first round, Mac Jones won't be here

1132
00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 1: at the start camp.

1133
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that would make the most sense. I

1134
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 2: think it just adds a lot of Now you have

1135
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 2: two first round pokes on your roster, and both that

1136
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 2: you drafted, and it's just.

1137
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: We talked a lot with Mac about, you know, stop

1138
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 1: making it hard for him, start, stop giving them all

1139
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:15,320
Speaker 1: these mental tests. Same thing with the new guy and Frankly,

1140
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 1: it's not fair to either of them. It's bad for

1141
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,319
Speaker 1: the development. Not that they should necessarily care about Mac

1142
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 1: Joe's development, who's not going to be here, but it's

1143
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 1: not good for either guy if they're both in the building,

1144
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: if they draft a quarterback in the first round, they

1145
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 1: have to move on from Mac.

1146
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that. All right. Hector is in Maine.

1147
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 2: What's up, Hector? Hey guys.

1148
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 8: First, I'm looking to the show, really enjoying it.

1149
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 1: Great, Thank you.

1150
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:39,319
Speaker 8: So, Uh, the only thing I want to bring up

1151
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 8: when it comes to quarterback and looking around the league,

1152
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:48,320
Speaker 8: I think it'd be a viable trade to maybe offer

1153
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 8: the Bears a third for field. They're not hurting with

1154
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 8: draft picks, they have the first through their trade, and

1155
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 8: I think we'd get a league and quarterback that is

1156
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 8: not he's had I think similar issues to Mac where

1157
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 8: he's had different coaches and coordinators over the years, and

1158
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 8: we'd get I think a better opportunity to win than

1159
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 8: drafting our quarterback because it didn't work out with Mac,

1160
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 8: and historically drafted quarterback it's hit or myth, So I

1161
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 8: why take the shot and put weapons around field?

1162
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, Jake thanks for the call, Hector. This

1163
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 2: is gonna be a popular question. Yeah, about Justin Fields.

1164
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing with Justin Fields is that

1165
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 2: you're gonna have to pay him, right, So it's not

1166
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 2: just you know, Mac has fifth year option decisions this offseason,

1167
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 2: so is Justin Fields right? So yes, you get him

1168
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 2: for one year on the fourth year of his rookie

1169
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 2: deal at an affordable cost, But as soon after that

1170
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 2: it's gonna go up and up and up, and if

1171
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 2: he ends up playing well, then you don't really care

1172
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 2: what you pay him. Right, if you're paying him forty

1173
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 2: five million dollars a year to be a franchise quarterback

1174
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 2: than what difference is, But.

1175
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: The whole putting talent around him kind of comes off

1176
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 1: the table for the most part, for the most I mean, yeah,

1177
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 1: the cap can be maneuvered, but yeah, because there's so

1178
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 1: much value in having a quarterback on a rookie contract

1179
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 1: and you're punting on essentially really four years of that

1180
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 1: three years, but kind of four years of it if

1181
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: you add Justin Fields. Does Justin Fields have some upside? Yes? Absolutely? Yeah,

1182
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 1: But now maybe it's so I I don't know how

1183
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 1: I feel about this. I had the thought, and then

1184
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 1: I kind of didn't like it. Would you trade mac

1185
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 1: Jones and maybe like a fourth for Justin Fields, and

1186
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 1: Justin Fields becomes your bridge guy for Jaydon Daniels or

1187
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 1: Drake May and he gets a chance to showcase what

1188
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 1: he can do, and then if he's good, great, you

1189
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 1: trade him and it's another guy you get to put

1190
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 1: around whichever quarterback. Now, it's kind of like what the

1191
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 1: Niners as I'm saying, and it's very dangerously close to

1192
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 1: Trey Land. So I'm gonna retract that and say nevermind.

1193
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 1: But I just yeah, part of the value in drafting

1194
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 1: the quarterback. And again, I know it's scary. Like he said,

1195
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 1: you get a league proven quarterback if it's Remember I

1196
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 1: said the other the thing the other day about the

1197
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 1: quarterback carousel. There's one hundred doors and behind ninety nine

1198
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 1: of them is nothing but darkness and nothingness and despair

1199
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 1: and terror. And you don't know which door you're opening.

1200
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 1: That's where we are. That being said, you got to

1201
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 1: open the door. You gotta open, and you gotta rip

1202
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 1: the band aid off, and you gotta just do it

1203
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 1: because the upside if you hit on the quarterback is

1204
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 1: so so so much higher than you know, I think

1205
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 1: the upside maybe with Justin Fields it's a little higher,

1206
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 1: but you know, and a guy like Kirk Cousins or

1207
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 1: I don't think Baker's gonna be available. Baker's the one

1208
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 1: veteran I would consider. But if the Bucks don't resign Baker,

1209
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 1: people should be fired. Like that's simple.

1210
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 2: The Bucks, Baker's franchise town right, No.

1211
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 1: He'll be there. But the whole thing about like a veteran,

1212
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 1: veteran quarterback or whatever the ceiling for that you're you're

1213
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 1: talking about Kirk Cousins. This isn't I feel like people,

1214
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 1: and I've given this take before, but I feel like

1215
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 1: people saw there was this run in the last decade

1216
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 1: of quarterback like superstar quarterbacks moving late in their careers,

1217
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 1: and started with Peyton when he went to Denver, and

1218
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 1: then you see a guy like Brady leave, and to

1219
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 1: some lesser extents, you had Rivers, you had Matt Ryan,

1220
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson. That happened because there was such

1221
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 1: a surplus of quarterback talent in the NFL, and not

1222
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: just there were more good quarterbacks than there had ever been.

1223
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 1: They were all playing into their late thirties and early forties,

1224
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 1: and it there was just a surplus at this position

1225
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 1: that's not supposed to happen. That's over, that's done. Wilson

1226
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 1: was the last one. I don't know who else from that, like,

1227
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 1: who were the veteran quarterbacks that would move. The next

1228
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 1: true established starting quarterback that might move is Trevor Lawrence.

1229
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 1: But if he does that, he probably had a pretty

1230
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:51,959
Speaker 1: bad year next year.

1231
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 2: I also think that he's moving more so because the

1232
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 2: Jaguars are a dumpster fire, like just because.

1233
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 1: That's but the idea that like, oh well, look the

1234
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 1: Bucks traded for for Brady and it worked, and even

1235
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 1: you can say, you know, Rivers got the Colts to

1236
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 1: the playoffs. It wasn't great, but Rivers got the Colts

1237
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 1: of the playoffs and right things like that. The ceiling

1238
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 1: on that kind of move now with the guys were

1239
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 1: available is Geno Smith and the Seahawks, And that's been

1240
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 1: a fun story. And I'm happy for Gino that he's,

1241
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 1: you know, playing well in all of that.

1242
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 2: Happy for him.

1243
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 1: Where are they happy for the guy? Where are they?

1244
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 1: Where are the Seahawks right now?

1245
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 2: Sending Pete Carrol upstairs.

1246
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 1: Exactly so it's because you have to pay the guy.

1247
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 1: There isn't as much room for development. A lot of

1248
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 1: these times the older a lot of the times the

1249
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 1: older quarterbacks are set in their ways. So if you're

1250
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 1: not a scheme in like justin fields is a little different,

1251
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 1: but it's still that idea where like you're gonna have

1252
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 1: to pay him and his development windows kind of closing,

1253
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 1: like he's there, who he is, it's like paying him.

1254
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 2: And then also that that last part, like it is

1255
01:01:57,680 --> 01:01:59,919
Speaker 2: a lot of his flaws right now as a past

1256
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 2: are very similar to Jayden Daniels's flaws as a passer.

1257
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 2: So why wouldn't you take the younger, cheaper version, Like

1258
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 2: why would you.

1259
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 1: You have more time to develop?

1260
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 2: The only difference is is like I get the caller's point, and.

1261
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 1: We just I would just say before people. Yet they're

1262
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:18,440
Speaker 1: gonna say, oh, Jade Daniels only a year younger. Justin fields,

1263
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 1: football years, it's different. Well, it's it's just contractual years,

1264
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 1: you're well, it's also football years. I think if you've

1265
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 1: been in the NFL for a certain amount of time

1266
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 1: and you haven't adjusted, that's a sign that you're not

1267
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 1: going to adjust. Jade Daniels is still more multiple, He

1268
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 1: still more of a piece of play than a guy

1269
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 1: like Justin Fields.

1270
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, obviously the Devil's advocate is that now

1271
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 2: you're not using your first round pick on a quarterback.

1272
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 2: So the first round pick becomes Marvin Harrison Junior becomes

1273
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:45,560
Speaker 2: Joeall and now you're getting a guy with a little

1274
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 2: bit of a higher ceiling than Mac Jones at the

1275
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 2: quarterback position, and you're still and you're getting a big

1276
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:53,200
Speaker 2: time player at the top of the draft. Whereas if

1277
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 2: you just take Jayden Daniels, you just have Jaden Daniels.

1278
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 2: So would you rather Justin Fields and Marvin Harrison Junior

1279
01:02:58,880 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 2: or Jaden Daniels.

1280
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 1: I'd rather Jane Daniels and T Higgins or Jane Daniels

1281
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 1: and Mike Evans. And that's where that comes in, Like

1282
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:06,720
Speaker 1: they got to be willing to spend to make this work.

1283
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 1: And that was the big misstep. And this was in

1284
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 1: I think that again I'm getting all of these inside

1285
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 1: look pieces mixed up because there were so many of them.

1286
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 1: I believe it was Jeff Howe who wrote about this

1287
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 1: about you know, they drafted Mac Jones and didn't really

1288
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 1: do anything after that, they didn't really invest in the offense.

1289
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:24,480
Speaker 1: They used a first round pick on a guard, they

1290
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 1: used a second round pick on a receiver. They traded

1291
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 1: a third round pick for a receiver. That was really

1292
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 1: it in terms of premium editions. Pop Douglass was a hit,

1293
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 1: but he's a sixth round pick. Kendrick Bourne was nice,

1294
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 1: but he wasn't highly paid. Even you know, Nelson Aglore

1295
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 1: was not highly paid. I know people thought they game

1296
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 1: a lot of money. They made him the twenty third

1297
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 1: highest paid receiver in football when they signed him. That's

1298
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 1: not a premium edition. I say all of this about

1299
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 1: the quarterback hoping that this time it's different and they

1300
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:51,440
Speaker 1: get aggressive and adding pass catching talent.

1301
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 2: Fast guys the draft, fast guys, no I want.

1302
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 1: I want good players, So draft good players. I'm hoping

1303
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:01,360
Speaker 1: or signed good players. Frankly, I'm hoping they get more

1304
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 1: aggressive and putting the talent around the quarterback this time.

1305
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:06,160
Speaker 1: But that to me is the big part, and for

1306
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 1: what it sort, I still think you can get an

1307
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 1: impact receiver on Day two in this draft. I still

1308
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:12,479
Speaker 1: think you can get an impact tackle in the second round.

1309
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:14,440
Speaker 1: I don't know about the third round, but I still

1310
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 1: think you can do that. Maybe not gonna be a

1311
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 1: perennial All Pro like Joe Balt, but they're certainly gonna

1312
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 1: be good enough.

1313
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I the receivers in this class especially, I

1314
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:25,720
Speaker 2: think the depth of this class is as deep as

1315
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:28,200
Speaker 2: I've ever seen real It's there might be like twenty

1316
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:29,959
Speaker 2: receivers taken in the first three rounds.

1317
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 1: I've said this seven I've said this to you. There

1318
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 1: are guys that are probably gonna go early on Day two.

1319
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 1: I look at the two Texas guys in particular, Savior

1320
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 1: Worthy in ad Mitchell. Both of those guys are either

1321
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 1: wide receiver one or wide receiver two for me last year, Like,

1322
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:45,440
Speaker 1: those are guys I'm taking last year top twenty, and

1323
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 1: they're gonna go probably outside of the first round.

1324
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, even like a guy you know, I really like

1325
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 2: Roman Wilson a lot from Michigan. Yeah, he's gonna be

1326
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 2: in play with the Patriots third round pick probably right.

1327
01:04:57,440 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 1: And you know what, if you miss him, you get

1328
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 1: Jermain Burton from Alabama, who very similar player. It's gonna

1329
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 1: be a fourth round pick.

1330
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:04,479
Speaker 2: Roman Wilson's got some Aman Ross Saint Brown vibes.

1331
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 1: You think so? Yeah, I feel like he's much faster.

1332
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:08,120
Speaker 2: I think he's got some aman Ross.

1333
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 1: I I kind of see where you're coming from. But like,

1334
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:12,520
Speaker 1: I think he's more explosive. No, uh, I don't think

1335
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:14,440
Speaker 1: he's a shifty I think he's more fast than quick.

1336
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 2: I think that I think in the NFL he'll be

1337
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:19,200
Speaker 2: more quick than he is fast because I think those

1338
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 2: types of guys. I don't think that Roman Wilson has

1339
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 2: like two true top end speed, but in the college

1340
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:28,160
Speaker 2: game he does, you know, like a guy like Pop

1341
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:32,600
Speaker 2: Douglas really like he's really really fast, but in short

1342
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 2: bursts right like in the league he's not Tyreek Hill,

1343
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:38,240
Speaker 2: He's not He's not taking the top up at Liberty,

1344
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 2: he was taking the top.

1345
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:41,440
Speaker 1: I have another aman Ross Saint Brown komp in this

1346
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 1: draft is Jacob Colling from Arizona. You'll see him at

1347
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl.

1348
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:45,000
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1349
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 2: I was I was a big not to like toot

1350
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:49,440
Speaker 2: my own horn like, but I was a big armine.

1351
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:54,840
Speaker 2: And uh, those types of guys, the crafty guys that

1352
01:05:54,960 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 2: still have enough athleticism, speed burst agility like those are they.

1353
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:02,840
Speaker 2: And I always gravitate towards and I've always said it's

1354
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:06,800
Speaker 2: like take Jacoby Flowers. Take Jacoby Myers. Yeah, but first

1355
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:09,600
Speaker 2: or second round Jacoby Myers, right, like, don't take the

1356
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:12,560
Speaker 2: guy that was a quarterback to start thenning receiver then

1357
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 2: ran a four seven. Well that me is take the

1358
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:16,120
Speaker 2: four or five Jacoby Myers.

1359
01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:18,480
Speaker 1: That to me is Jalen Polk from Washington. Yeah. I

1360
01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:21,439
Speaker 1: love him too, yeah, he he. I don't think he's

1361
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:24,160
Speaker 1: as as heady as Jacoby was, at least not yet.

1362
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:27,640
Speaker 1: But his like, I know he had the big game

1363
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:31,120
Speaker 1: against Texas where he was catching all these downfield passes.

1364
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:33,040
Speaker 1: But I look at him, I see a guy that

1365
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:35,560
Speaker 1: can be an elite chain mover in the NFL. In elite,

1366
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 1: you know, third and six, he's gonna get open. He's

1367
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 1: gonna find a way to get open at seven yards.

1368
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:42,880
Speaker 1: He's got very reliable hands, he's got a good catch radius.

1369
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:45,840
Speaker 1: He yeah, he's kind of that Jacoby guide. I mean

1370
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:48,560
Speaker 1: maybe he's a little more explosive, doesn't necessarily read the

1371
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 1: field as well. But there's some interesting slot guy that's

1372
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:53,480
Speaker 1: and that's the other thing. Like last year, remember it

1373
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:57,919
Speaker 1: was all slot guys. Yeah, it was all js zay

1374
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:00,160
Speaker 1: we were talking about. I mean, Quentin Johnson was the

1375
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 1: one kind of X. But told you Eldrew this this year,

1376
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:07,760
Speaker 1: guy's got what what do you want? Describe a receiver

1377
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 1: and there's a guy or more. There might be two

1378
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:13,240
Speaker 1: or three in the top one hundred that fit that description.

1379
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:16,720
Speaker 1: It's a very diverse group. It's a very deep group.

1380
01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:20,280
Speaker 1: This is a very, very, very good I remember saying

1381
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:22,000
Speaker 1: last year is a bad year to need a receiver,

1382
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 1: and people say, oh, you always say that, Not this year,

1383
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 1: not this year. And you look at the free agency

1384
01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 1: class too, This is a good year to need a receiver.

1385
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:32,080
Speaker 1: This is a buyer's market if you need a receiver.

1386
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:35,040
Speaker 2: I think that that could also. It's not gonna impact

1387
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:37,240
Speaker 2: like the t higgins Is of the world. Yeah, he's

1388
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:39,560
Speaker 2: still gonna get paid, as my voice is going out,

1389
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 2: but I think that it will impact sort of like

1390
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:47,439
Speaker 2: the Kendrick Bournes of free agency. And I love Kendrick Bourne.

1391
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:49,480
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to like take his money from him, right,

1392
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:52,320
Speaker 2: But with Kendrick Bourne, that type of player, I think

1393
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:54,160
Speaker 2: a lot of teams are gonna look at it and say,

1394
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 2: we can just get Kendrick Bourn in the fourth or

1395
01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:58,280
Speaker 2: third round in this draft, Like why are we gonna

1396
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:00,960
Speaker 2: pay Kendrick Bourne twelve million dollars year when we can

1397
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:03,440
Speaker 2: just draft it for for a quarter of the price.

1398
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:06,400
Speaker 2: The Patriots probably shouldn't operate like that just because of

1399
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 2: their developmental history at the position. But teams that are

1400
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 2: really good at developing receivers, I think that they're gonna

1401
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:14,480
Speaker 2: look at guys like you know, in that mid tier

1402
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:17,599
Speaker 2: free agency class at the position, and they're gonna say,

1403
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:19,720
Speaker 2: this draft, we can just kind of draft that guy.

1404
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:22,479
Speaker 2: So Kendrick Bourne's value might not be as high as

1405
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:23,519
Speaker 2: it would be in other years.

1406
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:25,360
Speaker 1: The guy like Thrash from Louisville.

1407
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:30,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, uh, you mentioned Polk, you mentioned I love

1408
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 2: both Texas guys, but I feel like they're gonna go.

1409
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:35,680
Speaker 2: You're gonna have to take one of those guys at

1410
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:37,520
Speaker 2: thirty four at the at the lowest.

1411
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 1: I'd be okay with that.

1412
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:40,720
Speaker 2: It depends on what you do attack, I guess, yeah, yeah,

1413
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:44,000
Speaker 2: that's this tackle class drops off, and if you don't

1414
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 2: take a tackle at thirty four, I'm worried.

1415
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:47,600
Speaker 1: That you're you're probably gonna miss it. I mean you

1416
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:49,599
Speaker 1: could trade up, you could get aggressive and trade up.

1417
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:52,120
Speaker 2: God forbid, you know you do you actually trade.

1418
01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:54,640
Speaker 1: There's other guys that like further down Malachai Cory's an

1419
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:57,719
Speaker 1: interesting one from Western Kentucky. He put up massive numbers.

1420
01:08:57,840 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 1: I don't want to say a wide receiver. Bailey's appy,

1421
01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:03,200
Speaker 1: but there is a little bit of that.

1422
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:03,200
Speaker 2: That's not gonna sell people.

1423
01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:05,759
Speaker 1: I know it's not. It's just so easy.

1424
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:06,000
Speaker 4: Uh.

1425
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:09,479
Speaker 1: I don't eve remember what kind of receiver we were talking about.

1426
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:11,320
Speaker 2: I was just well, so, I guess this is my

1427
01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:13,960
Speaker 2: other question too, as we get into this, is that

1428
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:18,000
Speaker 2: I think if you look at them historically, yeah, and

1429
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:20,320
Speaker 2: I get that it's not Bill anymore, and we maybe

1430
01:09:20,320 --> 01:09:22,240
Speaker 2: maybe we get lucky and this changes.

1431
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:24,160
Speaker 1: How this is again, tell me who's coordinating.

1432
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:27,360
Speaker 2: Right, maybe the new coordinator, new wide receiver coach, like

1433
01:09:27,400 --> 01:09:30,000
Speaker 2: they go to all of a sudden being the Pittsburgh Steelers.

1434
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:32,840
Speaker 2: I don't know, right, but the position that they have

1435
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:35,320
Speaker 2: struggled with the most is obviously the X spot right,

1436
01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:38,760
Speaker 2: the true perimeter outside receiver. They've been able to get

1437
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:42,880
Speaker 2: the inside guys like Jacoby Myers, Pop Douglas, you know,

1438
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:45,040
Speaker 2: even Kedrick Bourne right Like, they've been able to get

1439
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:48,200
Speaker 2: those z slock guys and have get guys to produce

1440
01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 2: in that spot. That's why I feel like, if you're

1441
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:54,439
Speaker 2: gonna go as much as I love, you know, some

1442
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:58,120
Speaker 2: of these x's in this class, like like an ad Mitchell,

1443
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:01,080
Speaker 2: who I think is a really really intriguing player early

1444
01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:03,280
Speaker 2: on Day two, but as much as I like those

1445
01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:05,800
Speaker 2: types of guys, if you're gonna go that direction, I

1446
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:08,960
Speaker 2: feel like paying the proven commodity for the Patriots at

1447
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:12,200
Speaker 2: outside receivers like a T Higgins, even like a Michael Pittman,

1448
01:10:12,200 --> 01:10:14,519
Speaker 2: Like I'm not paying Michael Pittman as much as T Higgins,

1449
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:18,080
Speaker 2: but those types of guys, and then supplementing that with

1450
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:20,439
Speaker 2: a Day two draft pick at the position that's more

1451
01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:23,280
Speaker 2: your type of guy that fits more what you do.

1452
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:25,800
Speaker 2: I think that that's probably the smartest way for them

1453
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 2: to go. Pittman. Obviously, I know you like Mike Evans.

1454
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 2: I'm a little bit worried about him falling off, But

1455
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:32,960
Speaker 2: Mike Evans, I think is a potential.

1456
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:35,519
Speaker 1: I think if it's Mike Evans, you draft more of

1457
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:38,599
Speaker 1: a kind of X Z hybrid, and then you give

1458
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 1: Evans a year or two while that guy truly develops

1459
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:44,880
Speaker 1: that you draft Mike Evans, you take a more developmenttal

1460
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:47,080
Speaker 1: guy in the third round. You have Evans here for

1461
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:48,640
Speaker 1: like two or three years, and then you hope that

1462
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:51,200
Speaker 1: whoever you drafted is ready to take over as your

1463
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:53,280
Speaker 1: true wide receiver one when Mike Evans is out. But

1464
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:56,400
Speaker 1: I'd say with Higgins, you have Higgins at t X, right, Yeah,

1465
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 1: you have Pop Douglas in the slot, so you're looking

1466
01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:03,680
Speaker 1: at probably like his type receiver. Jalen McMillan from Washington's

1467
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:05,439
Speaker 1: an interesting guy in that regard. You can probably get

1468
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:08,120
Speaker 1: him in the third round. I'm not ready to say

1469
01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:10,200
Speaker 1: I'm in on Ricky pier Saw yet. I need to

1470
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:14,479
Speaker 1: see more of them. Guy from Florida. Yeah, he is interesting.

1471
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:17,679
Speaker 1: He makes a ton of highlight catches. There's a ton

1472
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:21,200
Speaker 1: of if I say highlight routes, does that make sense, yep?

1473
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 1: Where like he runs some routes where he just I

1474
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:24,759
Speaker 1: mean the defenders nowhere nearby.

1475
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:26,759
Speaker 2: That that's it's interesting.

1476
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 1: I need to watch the I just I don't know

1477
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 1: how consistently he does it, Like I didn't watch Florida enough.

1478
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:33,960
Speaker 1: I haven't gotten him yet. He'll be at the Senior Bowl.

1479
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:37,040
Speaker 1: But like Ricky pier Saw is a guy like sort

1480
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:39,320
Speaker 1: of again saying this not having watched him a ton

1481
01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 1: sort of Kendrick bourneish where you can he can do

1482
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:44,400
Speaker 1: a lot of different things and he'll pop and he's

1483
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:47,080
Speaker 1: got some big playability. Like you put that kind of

1484
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 1: guy with T Higgins and Pop Douglas and that kind

1485
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:50,720
Speaker 1: of interests me.

1486
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:54,720
Speaker 2: So you mentioned guys that run highlight routes versus like

1487
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:57,920
Speaker 2: guys that just somehow put up stats that don't are

1488
01:11:57,920 --> 01:11:58,479
Speaker 2: in a flash.

1489
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:00,800
Speaker 1: Well, I mean it's like something like I like catch, right,

1490
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:02,920
Speaker 1: a guy a spectacular catch. The guy you see him,

1491
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:05,040
Speaker 1: he's always losting people one hand of grabs or diving

1492
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:07,559
Speaker 1: catches the route equivalent of that, where like I would

1493
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:11,120
Speaker 1: watch him in like like he's putting the defender on

1494
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:13,280
Speaker 1: the floor, like he's just losing guys in the route,

1495
01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:13,800
Speaker 1: things like that.

1496
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:18,760
Speaker 2: So I watched. I finished up the six quarterbacks, right,

1497
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:21,800
Speaker 2: I did JJ McCarthy. I tough threugh it okay, but

1498
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:24,000
Speaker 2: when are you going to watch Joe Milton? Probably not

1499
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:28,160
Speaker 2: till like April. But I I also did the top

1500
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:33,960
Speaker 2: three receivers, Marvin Harrison obviously neighbors and a Dunez and

1501
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:37,920
Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison. Like I'm gonna put Marvin Harrison in this

1502
01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:40,680
Speaker 2: draft conversation in his own category. I just don't think

1503
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:44,040
Speaker 2: he's he's his own thing, so we're really studying is

1504
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:48,000
Speaker 2: like more the Neighbors, A Dune say, Keon Coleman, Like

1505
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:51,759
Speaker 2: that sort of tear is when I say this Milik

1506
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:54,880
Speaker 2: Neighbors is the flashiest guy by far.

1507
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:56,639
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, he's an LC receiver.

1508
01:12:57,360 --> 01:13:02,040
Speaker 2: His burst in all in all ways, like his ability

1509
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:05,400
Speaker 2: to change speeds, whether it's tracking the ball in the

1510
01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:08,439
Speaker 2: air and pulling away as he's tracking it, or it's

1511
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:10,280
Speaker 2: like a little stutter and go and then all of

1512
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 2: a sudden he hits the gas at the top of

1513
01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:15,439
Speaker 2: the stem and it's just like gone. His ability to

1514
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:19,200
Speaker 2: create separation and do that is is freaky rare, freaky rare.

1515
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:21,400
Speaker 2: A duneesay, you know who. He reminds me a little

1516
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:24,200
Speaker 2: bit of I've said Stefan Diggs. But that's not bad.

1517
01:13:24,439 --> 01:13:27,000
Speaker 2: I don't find that. I was gonna say DeAndre Hopkins,

1518
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:29,040
Speaker 2: like I feel like he's not that is he that big?

1519
01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:29,840
Speaker 1: Uh?

1520
01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:33,800
Speaker 2: He's DeAndre Hopkins isn't like DeAndre Hopkins is like tough,

1521
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:35,799
Speaker 2: you know. I Digs is a good.

1522
01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:38,200
Speaker 1: Copy doxfly Oh Dune says six.

1523
01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:39,840
Speaker 2: Y three, I don't know if he's that tall. We'll

1524
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:40,800
Speaker 2: see at the combine.

1525
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:43,599
Speaker 1: Okay, that's what Like I think Hopkins like six ' five,

1526
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:46,200
Speaker 1: like he's got the Hawkins, not sixty five. Hawkins is

1527
01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:46,640
Speaker 1: six five?

1528
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:49,599
Speaker 2: Am I thinking of no Hawkins like six two six

1529
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:50,320
Speaker 2: one six two?

1530
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:51,960
Speaker 1: Is that it? I thought? I just thought of him

1531
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:53,120
Speaker 1: as tall? Uh.

1532
01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:56,240
Speaker 2: The reason why I bring the reason why I bring

1533
01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:58,800
Speaker 2: up Hopkins, I think that Hopkins is tougher at the

1534
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:01,519
Speaker 2: catchpoint than a Dune. Say, yeah, but I think the

1535
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:04,719
Speaker 2: difference what I see with them is that I don't

1536
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:08,200
Speaker 2: necessarily see like tons of separation on the film, but

1537
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:11,960
Speaker 2: he makes all this like initial separation and then like

1538
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:14,280
Speaker 2: there's enough of it that if you put it in

1539
01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:16,559
Speaker 2: his catcher eighty is just he just muscles in and

1540
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:19,840
Speaker 2: makes the catch. And that type of guy I don't

1541
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:23,840
Speaker 2: find quite as intriguing as like the flashier guys, because

1542
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:26,439
Speaker 2: I'm all about separation, like who's gonna get open for

1543
01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:29,599
Speaker 2: me at the top of the route. A Dune's is

1544
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:32,840
Speaker 2: just one of those guys that it doesn't pop off

1545
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:35,720
Speaker 2: the film necessarily at you. But then you look at

1546
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:37,280
Speaker 2: the box score and he had like one hundred and

1547
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:39,200
Speaker 2: eighty yards in the game and you're just kind of like,

1548
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:40,000
Speaker 2: how did that happen?

1549
01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:40,360
Speaker 3: Right?

1550
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:40,840
Speaker 1: Right?

1551
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:43,320
Speaker 2: And I feel like Diggs is maybe a little bit

1552
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:45,600
Speaker 2: better than him at the top of the route, but

1553
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:49,600
Speaker 2: I feel like Hopkins is someone that is similar, Like

1554
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:53,200
Speaker 2: Hopkins probably has more highlight reel like one handed acrobatic

1555
01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:56,200
Speaker 2: type of catches, but just in terms of the route running,

1556
01:14:56,520 --> 01:14:58,920
Speaker 2: is like is he that fast? Like is he really

1557
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:00,640
Speaker 2: pulling away from people and all of a sudden he's

1558
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:01,840
Speaker 2: got like one hundred and fifty yards?

1559
01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:02,200
Speaker 1: Right?

1560
01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:05,360
Speaker 2: And I feel that way about it. Douneesa Milik Neighbors

1561
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:08,639
Speaker 2: is I don't know how or why it would make

1562
01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:11,200
Speaker 2: sense for the Patriots to draft a Duneesay or Neighbors

1563
01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:13,559
Speaker 2: just based off of where they're gonna go, right, talking

1564
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:15,639
Speaker 2: about probably like the five to ten range for both

1565
01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:18,120
Speaker 2: of those guys, and it's like, not real, you're.

1566
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:20,759
Speaker 1: Taking a receiver at that point. Just take Harrison a three.

1567
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:23,479
Speaker 2: And you're like trading down to take Melik Nabor like

1568
01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:25,479
Speaker 2: it may I just don't really see how that works,

1569
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:27,400
Speaker 2: but I thought I would just mention that because I

1570
01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:28,759
Speaker 2: did watch both of you guys.

1571
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:32,120
Speaker 1: Watch so it's funny. Hopkins and again in my mind,

1572
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:34,240
Speaker 1: Hopkins was taller, but Hopkins is my comfort. Key On

1573
01:15:34,280 --> 01:15:38,000
Speaker 1: Coleman just like elite jump ball catch point receiver.

1574
01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:42,600
Speaker 2: I could see that Keon Coleman terrifies me. I know

1575
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:46,240
Speaker 2: he does, but doesn't create enough separation for me new

1576
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:48,799
Speaker 2: era like okay, but the one.

1577
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:51,160
Speaker 1: Hand Coleman is the guy. I talked about this.

1578
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:53,280
Speaker 2: In the NFL off of one handed catches.

1579
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:57,160
Speaker 1: That's just I talk about this all the time, natural separation.

1580
01:15:57,479 --> 01:15:59,800
Speaker 1: Keon Coleman sixty five with massive arms. He's a freak

1581
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:02,519
Speaker 1: at You throw the ball up the corners, not getting

1582
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:05,240
Speaker 1: where Keon Coleman's getting to. You throw throw the ball

1583
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:08,559
Speaker 1: out wide, the corner can't reach where Keon Coleman can

1584
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:09,280
Speaker 1: reach to get the ball.

1585
01:16:09,439 --> 01:16:13,040
Speaker 2: So aren't you like more describing T Higgins? I guess probably, yeah,

1586
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:14,479
Speaker 2: like to like that's how I feel.

1587
01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:17,120
Speaker 1: There's there's probably more T Higgins. That's fair. Yeah. Yeah.

1588
01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:18,679
Speaker 1: Did you get a chance to watch Brian Thomas?

1589
01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:22,080
Speaker 2: Not yet, but I did watch him, Like obviously I'm

1590
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:25,519
Speaker 2: watching the neighbors, but you have to, like, I have

1591
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:28,200
Speaker 2: to watch the guy specifically. No, I watched all of

1592
01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:30,880
Speaker 2: these games for Jayden Daniels and now I'm rewatching all

1593
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:31,679
Speaker 2: of the same games.

1594
01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:33,960
Speaker 1: No, I know, but I guess the reason I bring

1595
01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:36,800
Speaker 1: up Thomas is we just talked about you know, do

1596
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:39,439
Speaker 1: you go it? And you're probably not getting Thomas at

1597
01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:41,320
Speaker 1: thirty four, but trading back up into the end of

1598
01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:45,280
Speaker 1: the first round. Maybe because people have talked about he's

1599
01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:48,759
Speaker 1: the sneaky forgotten guy right in this class you get Daniels,

1600
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:50,400
Speaker 1: Can you pair him? People have asked, you know, can

1601
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:53,320
Speaker 1: you pair Daniels with Neighbors? That's not not not gonna happen.

1602
01:16:53,680 --> 01:16:57,360
Speaker 1: Can you pair Daniels with Thomas? That's very realistic. Yeah,

1603
01:16:57,400 --> 01:17:00,439
Speaker 1: And Thomas is, like you said, forgotten. I think he's

1604
01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:02,719
Speaker 1: one of these guys, and you love to highlight these guys.

1605
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:07,439
Speaker 1: Everybody's looking at Malik Neighbors, so Thomas probably isn't getting

1606
01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:09,040
Speaker 1: the hype.

1607
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:10,719
Speaker 2: Take guy.

1608
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:15,320
Speaker 1: Me watching. I'm with him on this one. I'm with

1609
01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:15,920
Speaker 1: him on this one.

1610
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:17,840
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying Tom I understand it too.

1611
01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:20,080
Speaker 1: I'm not saying Thomas as good as Neighbors. And I'm

1612
01:17:20,120 --> 01:17:23,360
Speaker 1: curious to you you you're better at receivers than me,

1613
01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:25,679
Speaker 1: but I'm curious to get your riad on Thomas because

1614
01:17:25,680 --> 01:17:29,360
Speaker 1: I think he's he's more of the prototypical X. But

1615
01:17:29,439 --> 01:17:34,360
Speaker 1: he's fast and he'd be an interesting guy. You put

1616
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:36,800
Speaker 1: him and Pop Douglas on the field together, you got

1617
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:39,479
Speaker 1: a ton of speed. But he gives you a sign.

1618
01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:41,479
Speaker 1: He's not the biggest guy. He's not t Higgas, He's

1619
01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:43,519
Speaker 1: not the biggest guy in the world, but he gives

1620
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:46,479
Speaker 1: you some size in that. In that sense, he does separate.

1621
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:48,599
Speaker 1: I mean he's an l C receiver. He does separate.

1622
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:54,240
Speaker 2: YEA god that that school just like I mean, Neighbors

1623
01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:58,320
Speaker 2: is a dude. That guy is unreal. I the comp

1624
01:17:58,360 --> 01:17:59,479
Speaker 2: that I think.

1625
01:17:59,400 --> 01:18:02,600
Speaker 1: Is he is the best LSU receiver you've watched. No,

1626
01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:05,080
Speaker 1: he's not, because I know how much you love Justin Jefferson.

1627
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:07,320
Speaker 2: And I and I think Jamar Chase was better than him. Okay,

1628
01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:09,760
Speaker 2: but I think that Jamar Chase is a decent comp

1629
01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:13,360
Speaker 2: from Malik Neighbors. I see a lot of similarities. They're

1630
01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:16,519
Speaker 2: actually like almost identically the same size. They're both like

1631
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:20,240
Speaker 2: six one two hundred. I look at both. I think

1632
01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:22,320
Speaker 2: Malik Neighbors has a little bit more of a top

1633
01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:24,800
Speaker 2: gear than Jamar Chase, and Jamar Chase is probably a

1634
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:27,160
Speaker 2: little bit better at the catch point, But from like

1635
01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:30,720
Speaker 2: a body type standpoint, it's probably the LSU thing a

1636
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:33,479
Speaker 2: little bit, I'll admit that. But I look at those

1637
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:38,599
Speaker 2: two Marvin Harrison Junior. If you put Marvin Harrison Junior

1638
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:42,120
Speaker 2: in a Raiders uniform with a number seventeen, I would

1639
01:18:42,200 --> 01:18:43,760
Speaker 2: not be able to tell the difference between him and

1640
01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:47,240
Speaker 2: DeVante Adams. They run, They're literally the same person. It's

1641
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:48,960
Speaker 2: it's crazy, like has anybody ever seen them in the

1642
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:53,200
Speaker 2: same room together. I'm not sure, Like they are so identical,

1643
01:18:53,479 --> 01:18:56,760
Speaker 2: it's not even funny, like they can both play. Every

1644
01:18:57,080 --> 01:18:59,120
Speaker 2: thing about Marvin Harrison Junior that I think makes them

1645
01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:03,680
Speaker 2: so ridiculous is that he's everything all in one. He

1646
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:08,519
Speaker 2: is an outside perimeter receiver and a slot receiver, and

1647
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:10,600
Speaker 2: he can do He can win in both areas. He

1648
01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:12,720
Speaker 2: can win inside, he can win outside, he can win

1649
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:14,679
Speaker 2: at the first two levels. He can win down the field.

1650
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:17,040
Speaker 2: He can win with speed, he can win with quickness.

1651
01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:20,719
Speaker 2: Like that's Devanta Adams like he's He's very very similar.

1652
01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:24,320
Speaker 2: His route releases are refined and very difficult, a lot

1653
01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:28,439
Speaker 2: like Davante Adams. He creates so much early separation in

1654
01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:31,960
Speaker 2: the stem just by releasing off the line of scrimmage

1655
01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:34,360
Speaker 2: and the way he sets up angles and things like that.

1656
01:19:35,160 --> 01:19:38,680
Speaker 2: He's the best receiver I've ever watched in college.

1657
01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:40,120
Speaker 1: Better than Jefferson.

1658
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:44,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, better than Jefferson. Jefferson was different, right, Jefferson.

1659
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:46,800
Speaker 1: Do you think Devant Adams is the best receiver in

1660
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:47,280
Speaker 1: the league.

1661
01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:51,200
Speaker 2: I would say that it's between him and Tyreek Kill. Yeah,

1662
01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:53,600
Speaker 2: Like Tyra Kill has probably got the best superpower in

1663
01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:54,040
Speaker 2: the league.

1664
01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:54,240
Speaker 1: Yea.

1665
01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:56,920
Speaker 2: But I think in terms of like complete receivers, what

1666
01:19:57,120 --> 01:19:59,719
Speaker 2: makes Adams and guys like Adams and Marvin Harrison Junior

1667
01:19:59,800 --> 01:20:02,360
Speaker 2: so special to me is their ability to play every

1668
01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:05,080
Speaker 2: single spot. They can line up anywhere, Like he can

1669
01:20:05,080 --> 01:20:09,040
Speaker 2: line up one, two, and three, inside slot, outside slot X,

1670
01:20:09,200 --> 01:20:11,880
Speaker 2: Like he can line up all over the formation. Uh,

1671
01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:14,080
Speaker 2: you know, Like he can just as easily beat you

1672
01:20:14,120 --> 01:20:15,720
Speaker 2: on a slant as he can beat you on on

1673
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:18,880
Speaker 2: a go ball down the sideline. Like that is Tyreek

1674
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:21,360
Speaker 2: Kill is his own thing, like because of his speed.

1675
01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:23,400
Speaker 2: But the only other guy that I can think of

1676
01:20:23,439 --> 01:20:26,160
Speaker 2: that does that is Devonte Adams. So this brings I

1677
01:20:26,200 --> 01:20:27,880
Speaker 2: guess we'll just talk about it because we're gonna talk

1678
01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:29,840
Speaker 2: about it for the next six months or four months.

1679
01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:34,600
Speaker 2: I keep saying six, it's really only four. Uh, everybody,

1680
01:20:35,200 --> 01:20:37,720
Speaker 2: everybody in my mentions and my replies, Alex is telling

1681
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:40,639
Speaker 2: me that they should just draft Marvin Harrison junior. That's

1682
01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:43,559
Speaker 2: that's the that's the hot, that's the take right now,

1683
01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:46,960
Speaker 2: right like, don't make a mistake, don't take the quarterback.

1684
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:51,240
Speaker 2: Take Marvin Harrison junior because he's the best player. That's

1685
01:20:51,240 --> 01:20:51,599
Speaker 2: a take.

1686
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:55,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I get it, especially with their history wide receiver.

1687
01:20:55,120 --> 01:20:57,400
Speaker 1: You see a guy who's potentially can't miss, and it's like,

1688
01:20:57,400 --> 01:20:59,679
Speaker 1: all right, here we go. You know, finally they're gonna

1689
01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:03,600
Speaker 1: have a good receiver. I would say he's not. And

1690
01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:06,519
Speaker 1: here's a big point people make, Well, Harrison Junior is

1691
01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:11,960
Speaker 1: a guarantee. The quarterbacks aren't guarantees. Harrison Junior may be

1692
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:15,559
Speaker 1: less likely to be a bust, but no prospects are guarantee. No,

1693
01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:18,360
Speaker 1: not one prospect is a guarantee. Not one prospect has

1694
01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:21,439
Speaker 1: ever been a guarantee. They're still inherent risk with it.

1695
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:29,120
Speaker 1: And are is Marvin Harrison, you know, Patriots development proofers?

1696
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:32,200
Speaker 1: Is it the other way around or are they that awful?

1697
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:33,840
Speaker 2: Well, so I don't think they need he needs to

1698
01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:36,680
Speaker 2: be developed, Like I think that he's as ready as

1699
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:39,120
Speaker 2: any receiver I've ever seen. But but but I think

1700
01:21:39,160 --> 01:21:42,080
Speaker 2: the differences and you know, like this time of year,

1701
01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:44,760
Speaker 2: those like memes start going around right where it's like

1702
01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:49,559
Speaker 2: a quarterback getting killed in the pocket as Marvin Harrison

1703
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:52,240
Speaker 2: Junior is standing like jumping up and down, or it's

1704
01:21:52,360 --> 01:21:55,679
Speaker 2: like the quarterback is very well protected, Marvin Harrison Junior

1705
01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:59,920
Speaker 2: is wide open, but it's like Bailey's appy. Yeah, so wait,

1706
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:03,080
Speaker 2: which one would you rather? And I think the problem

1707
01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:06,760
Speaker 2: is is that you can have Marvin Harrison Junior and

1708
01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:08,880
Speaker 2: you will have a stud wide receiver right out of

1709
01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:11,479
Speaker 2: the gate. He will be he will walk on to

1710
01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:14,400
Speaker 2: this field during training camp and he will be by

1711
01:22:14,520 --> 01:22:16,680
Speaker 2: far the best player on the field. I have no

1712
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:19,760
Speaker 2: doubt about that. And watching him and Christian Gonzales go

1713
01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:22,360
Speaker 2: one on one together for six weeks in the summer

1714
01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:25,679
Speaker 2: will make every single Patriots fan giddy like there's that's

1715
01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:29,320
Speaker 2: Sauce Gardner and Garrett Wilson right, like iron sharpens iron.

1716
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:30,120
Speaker 1: And where the love it.

1717
01:22:31,160 --> 01:22:33,519
Speaker 2: But you are the Jets right because you have no

1718
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:35,920
Speaker 2: offensive line and you have no quarterback to throw them

1719
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:37,840
Speaker 2: the ball, and you're not even as good as the Jets,

1720
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:40,240
Speaker 2: because at least they have Aaron Rodgers with a bum Achilles,

1721
01:22:40,280 --> 01:22:41,160
Speaker 2: Like you don't even have that.

1722
01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:44,599
Speaker 1: So well, you know, best case scenario, you have Kirk

1723
01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:45,759
Speaker 1: Cousins on a bum Achillies.

1724
01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:48,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have Kirk Cousins. You have Justin Fields, you

1725
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:50,839
Speaker 2: have right, one of those guys. We got an email

1726
01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:53,680
Speaker 2: like with a couple of Gardner Minshew who is the

1727
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:58,519
Speaker 2: other ones Jake Browning? Jake Browning is a backup quarterback. Baker.

1728
01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:00,960
Speaker 2: Mayfield is like obviously the one Baker.

1729
01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:04,120
Speaker 1: If you can get any Baker and then take Marvin

1730
01:23:04,200 --> 01:23:06,479
Speaker 1: third overall, like I I could buy you into that,

1731
01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:10,479
Speaker 1: but again, the entire front office should be fired if

1732
01:23:10,479 --> 01:23:13,120
Speaker 1: Tampa doesn't have Baker back next year. So the point

1733
01:23:13,160 --> 01:23:16,439
Speaker 1: being is that Andry, I'm not good at memes. No, sorry,

1734
01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:17,840
Speaker 1: let me just say no, I would not trade the

1735
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:19,760
Speaker 1: third overall pick for Baker because I know people are

1736
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:20,320
Speaker 1: say that.

1737
01:23:20,280 --> 01:23:22,200
Speaker 2: But that's not a real thing. That's like that call

1738
01:23:22,240 --> 01:23:25,000
Speaker 2: we had earlier about trading the median load of the

1739
01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:28,240
Speaker 2: Vikings for their first round pick. No, you you were

1740
01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:31,160
Speaker 2: better at making memes than me, so like maybe you

1741
01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:32,840
Speaker 2: can do this, and plus like as a company man,

1742
01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:36,519
Speaker 2: I probably shouldn't, but like, make like Mac Jones and

1743
01:23:36,520 --> 01:23:39,280
Speaker 2: Bailey Zappy the quarterback. Yeah, make them getting killed in

1744
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:41,360
Speaker 2: the pocket because they have no offensive line, right, and

1745
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:43,679
Speaker 2: then just make Marvin Harrison Junior jumping up and down

1746
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:46,760
Speaker 2: like I'm wide open down here. Like that's what you're

1747
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:48,800
Speaker 2: gonna get, at least for the first year.

1748
01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:49,320
Speaker 1: Right.

1749
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:52,160
Speaker 2: And now the argument on the other side is is that, Okay,

1750
01:23:52,840 --> 01:23:56,120
Speaker 2: so Marvin Harrison Junior by himself probably doesn't make you

1751
01:23:56,200 --> 01:23:58,360
Speaker 2: much better. So you're gonna be drafting in the top

1752
01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:01,920
Speaker 2: ten again next year, and you just draft Shador Sanders

1753
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:05,880
Speaker 2: next year, right, like or whatever. I just that I

1754
01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:08,000
Speaker 2: feel like is very risky because you're at there, you're

1755
01:24:08,040 --> 01:24:10,720
Speaker 2: beholden to the quarterback class. Then what if it's a

1756
01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:14,320
Speaker 2: Kenny Pickett quarterback class? Like what if Shador Sanders the

1757
01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:16,400
Speaker 2: second half of the year is actually what he ends

1758
01:24:16,479 --> 01:24:17,439
Speaker 2: up being next year?

1759
01:24:17,479 --> 01:24:19,759
Speaker 1: Also? Or who knows, you have a very weak schedule

1760
01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:22,080
Speaker 1: this year, maybe you roll off six wins, seven wins,

1761
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:24,559
Speaker 1: and now you're not arranged to take one of those guys. Yeah,

1762
01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:26,960
Speaker 1: so when you have a chance to get the quarterback,

1763
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:31,280
Speaker 1: you get the quarterback. To your point, and people say well,

1764
01:24:31,320 --> 01:24:33,439
Speaker 1: now you're beholding to the wide receiver class next year.

1765
01:24:34,640 --> 01:24:39,040
Speaker 1: A couple things on that last year was down yere.

1766
01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:42,640
Speaker 1: Generally college football's turning out wide receivers. They might not

1767
01:24:42,680 --> 01:24:45,799
Speaker 1: be Marvin Harrison, but you're gonna get. Really Marvin Harrison's

1768
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:48,639
Speaker 1: not the last wide receiver prospect ever to be available

1769
01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:50,560
Speaker 1: in the NFL. I feel like some people need to

1770
01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:51,320
Speaker 1: remind themselves.

1771
01:24:51,320 --> 01:24:54,759
Speaker 2: I mean, like, you're still gonna get the Roma Dunze,

1772
01:24:55,640 --> 01:24:57,839
Speaker 2: Malik Neighbors, Kean Coleman, who.

1773
01:24:57,640 --> 01:25:01,479
Speaker 1: Can all be very very very good player. And I

1774
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:03,640
Speaker 1: think those guys will be. There's gonna be multiple All

1775
01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:06,240
Speaker 1: Pro receivers in this class. I'll just tell you right now.

1776
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:09,720
Speaker 1: You know who went back to school a Mecca Buca,

1777
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:12,240
Speaker 1: who's the next Ohio State guy who some people thought

1778
01:25:12,360 --> 01:25:14,240
Speaker 1: was gonna be better than Harrison. Now he kind of

1779
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:17,160
Speaker 1: got screwed because Ohio State's quarterback player was terrible this year. Yeah,

1780
01:25:17,240 --> 01:25:20,960
Speaker 1: it didn't matter, He's going back. But uh, Tory, well know,

1781
01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:22,640
Speaker 1: his numbers were down. I mean they're still very good,

1782
01:25:22,680 --> 01:25:25,040
Speaker 1: but they were down. Tory Horton, who the caller mentioned,

1783
01:25:25,080 --> 01:25:27,400
Speaker 1: is gonna be in the class next year. Mario willat

1784
01:25:27,479 --> 01:25:31,320
Speaker 1: Yams from usc who was Caleb Williams number one? Sort

1785
01:25:31,320 --> 01:25:33,000
Speaker 1: at number one? I know Rice was up there.

1786
01:25:33,080 --> 01:25:35,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, so is he the he's the quick guy, right,

1787
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:36,800
Speaker 2: he's the quick slot guy.

1788
01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:37,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1789
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:37,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1790
01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:39,320
Speaker 2: If they didn't have like Pop Douglas already on the team,

1791
01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:40,200
Speaker 2: he would be intriguing.

1792
01:25:40,280 --> 01:25:40,760
Speaker 1: I like them.

1793
01:25:40,840 --> 01:25:41,400
Speaker 2: I like him.

1794
01:25:41,439 --> 01:25:43,759
Speaker 1: They're like, like, there's gonna be guys next year, and again,

1795
01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:47,400
Speaker 1: you can still pay people. T Higgins is still an option.

1796
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:48,840
Speaker 1: Mike Evans is still an option.

1797
01:25:49,640 --> 01:25:51,400
Speaker 2: You were in the trade markets still right, option?

1798
01:25:51,560 --> 01:25:54,400
Speaker 1: You were not going, right, there's always one. We didn't

1799
01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:56,519
Speaker 1: know Tyreek Hill was available until he was like at

1800
01:25:56,520 --> 01:25:59,880
Speaker 1: this point that year. That's not gonna happen at quarter

1801
01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:03,680
Speaker 1: it's you're not gonna get a T. Higgins equivalent at

1802
01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:07,080
Speaker 1: quarterback and free agency, you're not going to get what

1803
01:26:07,160 --> 01:26:09,680
Speaker 1: receiver gets traded. I don't know a J. Brown eight right,

1804
01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:11,880
Speaker 1: thank you? You're not gonna get an A J. Brown

1805
01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:12,799
Speaker 1: kind of quarterback.

1806
01:26:12,840 --> 01:26:15,559
Speaker 2: Am I crazy? Just like on this topic, and I

1807
01:26:15,560 --> 01:26:20,840
Speaker 2: know we're all over the classic? Am I crazy to

1808
01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:22,360
Speaker 2: kind of want Davonte Smith more?

1809
01:26:24,200 --> 01:26:24,479
Speaker 7: Hmm?

1810
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:26,760
Speaker 2: I love a J. Brown.

1811
01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:27,080
Speaker 3: A J.

1812
01:26:27,200 --> 01:26:29,840
Speaker 2: Brown is a really really good player. He's probably the

1813
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:32,599
Speaker 2: best man coverage beater in the league, just because he's

1814
01:26:32,640 --> 01:26:35,519
Speaker 2: got the speed, the toughness, the ability had to catch point.

1815
01:26:35,960 --> 01:26:38,960
Speaker 2: I just I think Deavante Smith, even in like a

1816
01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:42,799
Speaker 2: Bill O'Brien Josh McDaniel's offense, I think he's so I utilize.

1817
01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:47,360
Speaker 1: I see where you're coming from. I I want to

1818
01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:51,120
Speaker 1: I'm not. I don't want this to come across like

1819
01:26:51,160 --> 01:26:54,599
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I would take Pop Douglas over Devonte Smith

1820
01:26:54,760 --> 01:26:58,559
Speaker 1: like obviously, No, obviously, Like I would take Davante Smith

1821
01:26:58,600 --> 01:27:02,680
Speaker 1: in a heartbeat, but like that it's a really good replacement.

1822
01:27:02,920 --> 01:27:04,720
Speaker 1: But that feels like more of a replacement. I want

1823
01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:04,920
Speaker 1: to know.

1824
01:27:05,200 --> 01:27:07,240
Speaker 2: I think Pop Douglas is a true slot.

1825
01:27:07,400 --> 01:27:07,920
Speaker 1: Is it all right?

1826
01:27:07,960 --> 01:27:10,880
Speaker 2: So you're gonna play a gadget slot? So I would

1827
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:12,880
Speaker 2: play I think Pop Douglas.

1828
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:15,240
Speaker 1: I want. I want that, really, I want that six

1829
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:19,439
Speaker 1: foot five, two hundred pound on the outside is gonna

1830
01:27:19,479 --> 01:27:22,880
Speaker 1: bully every single corner he faces. Because I because I

1831
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:25,800
Speaker 1: grew up watching Randy Mark, and because I grew up

1832
01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:29,240
Speaker 1: watching because I grew up watching Terrell Owens, and because

1833
01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:32,120
Speaker 1: I grew up watching Isaac Bruce, and that's the kind

1834
01:27:32,120 --> 01:27:34,040
Speaker 1: of receiver I like, I want a guy to go

1835
01:27:34,120 --> 01:27:39,040
Speaker 1: out there who is just a DK Metcalf, yes, and

1836
01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:42,280
Speaker 1: just bully the crap out of corners for sixty minutes.

1837
01:27:42,479 --> 01:27:45,680
Speaker 1: I have the small, shifty guys are fun, and I

1838
01:27:45,720 --> 01:27:47,280
Speaker 1: like Pop Douglas and I want them to have that

1839
01:27:47,280 --> 01:27:51,120
Speaker 1: guy too. But when it comes to wide receiver, for me,

1840
01:27:51,320 --> 01:27:53,280
Speaker 1: give me the big guy on the outside who's just

1841
01:27:53,320 --> 01:27:55,760
Speaker 1: bullying everybody. It's just the most fun to me. And

1842
01:27:55,800 --> 01:27:58,200
Speaker 1: I think that guy more than anybody else helps a

1843
01:27:58,200 --> 01:27:58,799
Speaker 1: young quarterback.

1844
01:27:59,080 --> 01:28:03,479
Speaker 2: That explains a lot, like it's all about separation, man,

1845
01:28:03,600 --> 01:28:05,839
Speaker 2: Like you gotta get open, like it, get.

1846
01:28:05,680 --> 01:28:06,920
Speaker 1: It, Dode. These guys not get open.

1847
01:28:07,000 --> 01:28:09,920
Speaker 2: I'm not saying, Harry get open, catch the ball.

1848
01:28:09,960 --> 01:28:12,760
Speaker 1: Does AJ Brown not get open? Not get open?

1849
01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:14,000
Speaker 2: Yeah? No, those guys get open.

1850
01:28:14,040 --> 01:28:14,400
Speaker 1: I'm saying.

1851
01:28:14,479 --> 01:28:16,759
Speaker 2: Look, I'm saying those guys are in like a different

1852
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:18,120
Speaker 2: like those guys are elite.

1853
01:28:18,160 --> 01:28:20,160
Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying. Like, if we're talking about

1854
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:23,559
Speaker 1: I can add two elite receivers of both ninety nine

1855
01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:25,080
Speaker 1: overalls in Madden, Right.

1856
01:28:25,120 --> 01:28:27,360
Speaker 2: You would rather a J Brown than tyreek Kill.

1857
01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:30,439
Speaker 1: Basic, Well, tyreek Kill's tyreek Kill.

1858
01:28:30,479 --> 01:28:33,000
Speaker 2: He's his own, Okay, but you would rather, I don't

1859
01:28:33,040 --> 01:28:35,080
Speaker 2: know that's the best way like to think of, Like I.

1860
01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:38,400
Speaker 1: Would rather a J. Brown than DeVante Smith. Basically, yeah,

1861
01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:38,840
Speaker 1: I think a J.

1862
01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:40,880
Speaker 2: Brown is a better player. I just think I look

1863
01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:42,840
Speaker 2: at the way that's the Eagles. A lot of things

1864
01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:44,680
Speaker 2: have come out about the Eagles offense, not that this

1865
01:28:44,760 --> 01:28:49,480
Speaker 2: is Eagles Catch twenty two Eagles edition, but the Eagles

1866
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:54,360
Speaker 2: they use like the least amount of pre snap motion

1867
01:28:54,920 --> 01:28:56,720
Speaker 2: of almost any team in the league. I think they

1868
01:28:56,760 --> 01:28:59,000
Speaker 2: were thirty first in the league in it. So I

1869
01:28:59,040 --> 01:29:01,960
Speaker 2: look at Devontae Smith and I think about remember the

1870
01:29:01,960 --> 01:29:05,160
Speaker 2: Patriots used to use Julian Edelman where like he's coming

1871
01:29:05,200 --> 01:29:09,040
Speaker 2: into stack alignments late, he's motioning cross formation, he's always

1872
01:29:09,080 --> 01:29:11,360
Speaker 2: on the move, like he's his chest piece that's always

1873
01:29:11,400 --> 01:29:13,759
Speaker 2: on the move, and they would just hunt free releases

1874
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:16,400
Speaker 2: for him all over the field. Like the Eagles don't

1875
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:19,400
Speaker 2: do that stuff for Devonte Smith for like, God only

1876
01:29:19,439 --> 01:29:22,280
Speaker 2: knows why. I have no clue. I can't explain it.

1877
01:29:22,520 --> 01:29:25,120
Speaker 2: If you put DeVante Smith in an offense where he's

1878
01:29:25,160 --> 01:29:27,840
Speaker 2: the Z he's the off of flanker, off the line

1879
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:30,479
Speaker 2: receiver flanker that can move around all the time. And

1880
01:29:30,520 --> 01:29:32,720
Speaker 2: now you're motioning him all over the place, and you're

1881
01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:35,760
Speaker 2: changing his alignment pre snap and all this stuff. He's

1882
01:29:35,800 --> 01:29:38,920
Speaker 2: gonna just be able to just run routes like it's

1883
01:29:38,920 --> 01:29:41,680
Speaker 2: gonna be like seven on seven, right. And I just

1884
01:29:41,720 --> 01:29:45,320
Speaker 2: feel like the Eagles get the most out of Devonte

1885
01:29:45,400 --> 01:29:49,040
Speaker 2: Smith in their system, but their system for him kind

1886
01:29:49,040 --> 01:29:51,800
Speaker 2: of stinks like it really so he's just that talent.

1887
01:29:51,840 --> 01:29:53,880
Speaker 1: You just want Smith because you want to save him

1888
01:29:53,880 --> 01:29:54,599
Speaker 1: from the Eagles.

1889
01:29:54,680 --> 01:29:57,040
Speaker 2: I want DeVante Smith because I think that there's an

1890
01:29:57,080 --> 01:29:59,439
Speaker 2: even more, like there's another level for him is.

1891
01:29:59,720 --> 01:30:02,240
Speaker 1: A and I think there is too. I just I

1892
01:30:02,439 --> 01:30:06,080
Speaker 1: don't know. And again I would take if the Eagles say, yeah,

1893
01:30:06,080 --> 01:30:08,439
Speaker 1: we'll trade you DeVante Smith, we won't trade you a J. Brown,

1894
01:30:08,680 --> 01:30:10,960
Speaker 1: you know, same similar package. I would say, yeah, no,

1895
01:30:11,000 --> 01:30:12,800
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say.

1896
01:30:12,200 --> 01:30:15,879
Speaker 2: It goes back to what I said earlier about Jacoby Myers.

1897
01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:18,840
Speaker 2: But first round edition, right, DeVante Smith is first round

1898
01:30:19,160 --> 01:30:23,040
Speaker 2: Jacoby Myers. Like he's all the shiftiness, all the ability

1899
01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:25,800
Speaker 2: to read the field, all the instincts for football, the

1900
01:30:25,880 --> 01:30:28,320
Speaker 2: catch point stuff, which I think Jacoby was underrated on

1901
01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:29,639
Speaker 2: with speed.

1902
01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:34,360
Speaker 1: So who's first that's a bad one. They haven't even

1903
01:30:34,400 --> 01:30:37,280
Speaker 1: come close. I was gonna say, like it was first

1904
01:30:37,320 --> 01:30:40,000
Speaker 1: round to kill Harry, Like you get what I'm saying,

1905
01:30:40,040 --> 01:30:43,439
Speaker 1: Like that's the problem, right, is that they they've never

1906
01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:46,519
Speaker 1: gone like Taekwon Thornton is is a burner. I was

1907
01:30:46,560 --> 01:30:50,320
Speaker 1: gonna say, who's first metcalf Right, he's a field stretcher,

1908
01:30:50,360 --> 01:30:52,680
Speaker 1: like he's his own thing, you know, And that's not

1909
01:30:52,680 --> 01:30:56,280
Speaker 1: the kill Harry is your guy, like let's just bully people.

1910
01:30:56,520 --> 01:30:58,639
Speaker 1: But no, because I want a guy that can run

1911
01:30:58,640 --> 01:31:00,840
Speaker 1: a two left route tree like I want a good

1912
01:31:00,920 --> 01:31:01,880
Speaker 1: version of that player.

1913
01:31:02,040 --> 01:31:04,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's that's the guy. A good version of

1914
01:31:04,920 --> 01:31:07,320
Speaker 2: that player is the guy that they've been chasing, right,

1915
01:31:07,439 --> 01:31:11,719
Speaker 2: like they they Chad Jackson, Nikhil Harry, Like you know that's.

1916
01:31:12,160 --> 01:31:13,439
Speaker 1: So I guess what I'm saying is I have no

1917
01:31:13,479 --> 01:31:15,760
Speaker 1: problem with them chasing that guy. Just figure it out.

1918
01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:16,320
Speaker 2: Oh god.

1919
01:31:16,640 --> 01:31:18,840
Speaker 1: But then again, I've also said I would love Xavier Worthy,

1920
01:31:18,880 --> 01:31:20,439
Speaker 1: who is very DeVante Smith.

1921
01:31:21,080 --> 01:31:22,280
Speaker 2: That's why I like Xavier Worthy.

1922
01:31:22,280 --> 01:31:23,320
Speaker 1: Look, at the end of the day, I want a

1923
01:31:23,320 --> 01:31:23,759
Speaker 1: good receiver.

1924
01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:27,040
Speaker 2: Xavier worthies thinks because he's like trapped and that he's

1925
01:31:27,080 --> 01:31:28,920
Speaker 2: not You're not You're definitely not taking him at three

1926
01:31:29,240 --> 01:31:31,000
Speaker 2: and I don't think he's making it to thirty four,

1927
01:31:31,400 --> 01:31:32,240
Speaker 2: so you're kind of trapped.

1928
01:31:32,360 --> 01:31:34,040
Speaker 1: No, because I think he might be like a late

1929
01:31:34,040 --> 01:31:36,160
Speaker 1: twenties guy. You might be able to move up and

1930
01:31:36,160 --> 01:31:36,519
Speaker 1: get him.

1931
01:31:36,600 --> 01:31:38,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel like we have to. I have to

1932
01:31:38,240 --> 01:31:40,000
Speaker 2: see it to believe it that they're going to operate

1933
01:31:40,040 --> 01:31:41,960
Speaker 2: differently in terms of moving up the draft board.

1934
01:31:42,200 --> 01:31:44,559
Speaker 1: All right, but just for the sake of if we're

1935
01:31:44,600 --> 01:31:46,639
Speaker 1: having the conversation, when we have it, I think Xavier

1936
01:31:46,640 --> 01:31:49,120
Speaker 1: Worthy he's gonna be in that same range as Brian Thomas,

1937
01:31:49,479 --> 01:31:51,720
Speaker 1: where You're right, I don't think you get him at

1938
01:31:51,720 --> 01:31:55,160
Speaker 1: thirty four. Can you get up to twenty six, twenty

1939
01:31:55,160 --> 01:31:57,719
Speaker 1: seven to twenty eight and maybe get one of those guys?

1940
01:31:57,800 --> 01:31:58,040
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1941
01:31:58,080 --> 01:32:00,800
Speaker 1: I think that that's there's a world where they can

1942
01:32:00,840 --> 01:32:03,080
Speaker 1: have both, you know, either Drake may or Jane Daniels

1943
01:32:03,120 --> 01:32:05,920
Speaker 1: and Xavier Worthy or Brian Thomas. I think that's a

1944
01:32:06,040 --> 01:32:07,880
Speaker 1: very realistic conversation. I like that.

1945
01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:10,439
Speaker 2: All right, Zach, let's get back to the phones. Zach

1946
01:32:10,560 --> 01:32:11,960
Speaker 2: is in California. What's up, Zach?

1947
01:32:15,280 --> 01:32:15,880
Speaker 1: It's up, Zach?

1948
01:32:16,040 --> 01:32:21,000
Speaker 2: Zach going once I left him on hold too long?

1949
01:32:21,040 --> 01:32:24,000
Speaker 2: All right, Nacho's in Connecticut. I would assume what's up?

1950
01:32:24,040 --> 01:32:32,000
Speaker 1: Not Joe, hellop not Joe. You guys know how this works.

1951
01:32:32,040 --> 01:32:33,799
Speaker 2: We talk all right, I'm gonna cut you off before

1952
01:32:34,240 --> 01:32:39,920
Speaker 2: before the the tone. A couple of emails here, one email.

1953
01:32:40,080 --> 01:32:41,920
Speaker 2: This is a long one, so I'm just gonna kind

1954
01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:43,160
Speaker 2: of sift through it.

1955
01:32:43,520 --> 01:32:43,640
Speaker 4: Uh.

1956
01:32:45,680 --> 01:32:51,559
Speaker 2: The Oregon combo Bone Nicks and Troy Franklin. Oh boy,

1957
01:32:52,000 --> 01:32:54,120
Speaker 2: I don't think that that that one's weird because both

1958
01:32:54,160 --> 01:32:56,200
Speaker 2: those guys are kind of projected to go around the

1959
01:32:56,200 --> 01:32:59,200
Speaker 2: same range of the draft, either one of them.

1960
01:32:59,240 --> 01:33:01,679
Speaker 1: Early My comps for those.

1961
01:33:01,479 --> 01:33:04,320
Speaker 2: Two is Troy Franklin, Tykwon Thornton.

1962
01:33:05,080 --> 01:33:07,519
Speaker 1: He might be a little better, but like, yeah, yeah,

1963
01:33:07,640 --> 01:33:09,280
Speaker 1: that's Mac Jones and Takwon Thornton.

1964
01:33:09,439 --> 01:33:11,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not that far off.

1965
01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:14,040
Speaker 1: You're right, and like, like look, and I even said

1966
01:33:14,040 --> 01:33:16,080
Speaker 1: this at the time because I liked Taekwon Thornton in

1967
01:33:16,120 --> 01:33:20,040
Speaker 1: that draft. I don't like him for I don't like

1968
01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:21,720
Speaker 1: where the Patriots took him or the role they took

1969
01:33:21,800 --> 01:33:26,120
Speaker 1: him for. Right, is Troy Franklin worth a top one

1970
01:33:26,160 --> 01:33:29,840
Speaker 1: hundred picky? Yes, Let some other team figure Troy Franklin out.

1971
01:33:30,360 --> 01:33:33,200
Speaker 1: The Patriots don't need to try to figure Troy Franklin out. Yeah,

1972
01:33:33,280 --> 01:33:35,479
Speaker 1: I at that point, if you think you can figure

1973
01:33:35,520 --> 01:33:37,479
Speaker 1: that guy out, just fixed Taekwon.

1974
01:33:38,320 --> 01:33:42,800
Speaker 2: I watching him just while watching Nicks. Yeah, you can't

1975
01:33:43,000 --> 01:33:47,040
Speaker 2: the frame, the one track speed right, Like it's just

1976
01:33:47,360 --> 01:33:52,280
Speaker 2: he's just a field stretching rail thin receiver and I'm

1977
01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:53,720
Speaker 2: just you can't take time.

1978
01:33:53,800 --> 01:33:53,840
Speaker 8: Like.

1979
01:33:53,880 --> 01:33:58,040
Speaker 2: There's obviously other examples that are of guys that have succeeded,

1980
01:33:58,040 --> 01:34:01,559
Speaker 2: but frankly, in that body type, it's not very a

1981
01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:04,880
Speaker 2: long list like guys that are guy Smith, Yeah, but

1982
01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:08,240
Speaker 2: DeVante Smith plays differently than those guys, like the guys

1983
01:34:08,240 --> 01:34:13,320
Speaker 2: that are six three one eighty soaking with like Taekwon

1984
01:34:13,400 --> 01:34:16,360
Speaker 2: Thornton that succeeded in the league. Uh, not a very

1985
01:34:16,400 --> 01:34:19,240
Speaker 2: long list like the the really the guys that have

1986
01:34:19,320 --> 01:34:22,720
Speaker 2: succeeded at that side, it's like that way are like

1987
01:34:22,840 --> 01:34:25,840
Speaker 2: either Devonte Smith yeah, or like probably the closest ones

1988
01:34:25,880 --> 01:34:29,080
Speaker 2: like a DeShawn Jackson. But Sean Jackson was so much shiftier.

1989
01:34:29,240 --> 01:34:31,599
Speaker 2: He also played fluid and like just had so much

1990
01:34:31,600 --> 01:34:33,080
Speaker 2: better body contry. I mean, I don't want to feel

1991
01:34:33,120 --> 01:34:34,880
Speaker 2: this old, but he played like ten years ago. Yeah,

1992
01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:36,720
Speaker 2: I mean I know he retired like two years ago,

1993
01:34:36,800 --> 01:34:37,880
Speaker 2: but when he was, you know, good.

1994
01:34:38,280 --> 01:34:42,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I again, I don't hate Trey Franklin as a player.

1995
01:34:42,920 --> 01:34:44,200
Speaker 1: Let somebody else figure him out.

1996
01:34:44,240 --> 01:34:46,880
Speaker 2: So yeah, the email did say Trey down and then

1997
01:34:47,080 --> 01:34:50,040
Speaker 2: you know, try to position yourself for the Oregon doubled it.

1998
01:34:50,200 --> 01:34:53,640
Speaker 1: So I don't know how that would work, Yeah, regardless

1999
01:34:53,640 --> 01:34:55,479
Speaker 1: of all. But you'd have to make a couple of trades.

2000
01:34:55,520 --> 01:34:58,800
Speaker 2: But yeah, So the other part of this email is

2001
01:34:58,840 --> 01:35:03,240
Speaker 2: that he's disappointed in this is uh Josh in Falls.

2002
01:35:03,520 --> 01:35:05,559
Speaker 2: Where's Turner Falls. I don't even I grew up here.

2003
01:35:05,560 --> 01:35:06,120
Speaker 2: I don't even know.

2004
01:35:06,640 --> 01:35:10,160
Speaker 1: Uh, it's probably Western mass right, yeah, probably, yeah, in

2005
01:35:10,160 --> 01:35:11,440
Speaker 1: northwest Massachusetts.

2006
01:35:13,400 --> 01:35:15,280
Speaker 2: I mean you drive right through Western mass to go

2007
01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:18,880
Speaker 2: to Ithaca College. Well, that's the furthest west of Worcester

2008
01:35:18,920 --> 01:35:20,719
Speaker 2: I've ever been. That's driving to Ithaca.

2009
01:35:22,040 --> 01:35:27,559
Speaker 1: Oh, it's the home of Brett Socks Legendrico Portgona. No idea,

2010
01:35:27,760 --> 01:35:28,560
Speaker 1: I don't.

2011
01:35:29,840 --> 01:35:33,760
Speaker 2: He says he's disappointed, and this is Josh speaking. He's

2012
01:35:33,760 --> 01:35:36,840
Speaker 2: disappointed that Patriots don't need defense because he loves Jared

2013
01:35:36,960 --> 01:35:38,000
Speaker 2: Verse from Florida.

2014
01:35:38,040 --> 01:35:40,439
Speaker 1: Dude, there's so many players in this draft that I'm like,

2015
01:35:41,520 --> 01:35:46,639
Speaker 1: so Jared versus one Dallas Turner's another picking this high.

2016
01:35:46,680 --> 01:35:49,600
Speaker 1: Cameron Kitchens from Miami's really the one though, Like I

2017
01:35:49,640 --> 01:35:55,200
Speaker 1: look at Camera Kitchens his safety Yeah modern Devin mccordy. Yeah,

2018
01:35:55,240 --> 01:35:58,280
Speaker 1: Like he's a little bit bigger, he's got some more

2019
01:35:58,320 --> 01:36:01,320
Speaker 1: box Like you put that guy on the back end

2020
01:36:01,320 --> 01:36:03,880
Speaker 1: of your defense and you don't have to worry about

2021
01:36:03,880 --> 01:36:07,559
Speaker 1: a thing. He's highly instinctive, he's very smart. He can

2022
01:36:07,600 --> 01:36:11,240
Speaker 1: cover a ton of ground. Like he's gonna be a falcon. Right,

2023
01:36:11,280 --> 01:36:13,120
Speaker 1: Bill goes to Falcons. This guy's gonna be a falcon.

2024
01:36:13,200 --> 01:36:15,400
Speaker 1: They're gonna put him next to Jesse Bates And that's

2025
01:36:15,439 --> 01:36:19,280
Speaker 1: Devin mccordy and Patrick Chung right there. I really wish

2026
01:36:19,560 --> 01:36:22,160
Speaker 1: we could talk about Cameron Kitchens as a patriot because

2027
01:36:22,640 --> 01:36:24,840
Speaker 1: boy is he fun to watch. Boy does he do

2028
01:36:24,920 --> 01:36:26,719
Speaker 1: some of the things they need done on that defense.

2029
01:36:26,760 --> 01:36:29,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean he's gonna be a first round pick.

2030
01:36:29,280 --> 01:36:31,679
Speaker 1: If not, you know, he'll be top fifty for sure.

2031
01:36:31,680 --> 01:36:34,760
Speaker 1: He'll probably end up a first round pick. They just

2032
01:36:34,760 --> 01:36:36,880
Speaker 1: can't afford to take a safety in that spot. Three

2033
01:36:37,000 --> 01:36:38,559
Speaker 1: four years or four or five years fromw when he's

2034
01:36:38,600 --> 01:36:40,280
Speaker 1: a free agent. Yeah, I'll be paunding on the table

2035
01:36:40,280 --> 01:36:41,080
Speaker 1: for Cameron Kitchens.

2036
01:36:41,400 --> 01:36:44,879
Speaker 2: So Jared Versus a fun player like Jared versus Violet Angry,

2037
01:36:46,080 --> 01:36:51,679
Speaker 2: just explosive upper body. Yeah, I think that big dude,

2038
01:36:52,000 --> 01:36:53,880
Speaker 2: who is the guy that Raiders drafted last year for

2039
01:36:53,920 --> 01:36:56,519
Speaker 2: some reason. It's it's escaping me the first round guy

2040
01:36:56,960 --> 01:36:57,599
Speaker 2: Edge Rusher.

2041
01:36:59,320 --> 01:37:00,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't remember.

2042
01:37:00,720 --> 01:37:02,200
Speaker 2: It'll come to me in a second. You can look

2043
01:37:02,240 --> 01:37:06,080
Speaker 2: it up. He's like, if that ty Wilson, Tyree Wilson. Yeah,

2044
01:37:06,120 --> 01:37:08,479
Speaker 2: He's like, if Tyree Wilson had to get off right,

2045
01:37:08,560 --> 01:37:10,200
Speaker 2: like if you could have if he that guy had

2046
01:37:10,240 --> 01:37:13,840
Speaker 2: first step explosiveness and the power, and like that was

2047
01:37:13,880 --> 01:37:15,880
Speaker 2: the thing about Tyree Wilson. Why he hasn't and he

2048
01:37:15,920 --> 01:37:18,679
Speaker 2: had a horrible rookie year with the Raiders is because

2049
01:37:18,760 --> 01:37:21,679
Speaker 2: he's he's got lead feet, like he's got he's got

2050
01:37:21,720 --> 01:37:24,240
Speaker 2: no quickness, but he just was like the Hulk and

2051
01:37:24,280 --> 01:37:26,519
Speaker 2: would just like throw people to the ground. That works

2052
01:37:26,520 --> 01:37:29,439
Speaker 2: in college. Jared Verse has like a motor and the

2053
01:37:29,680 --> 01:37:32,679
Speaker 2: and the Hulk power, but he also got.

2054
01:37:32,160 --> 01:37:34,640
Speaker 1: This edge class is so fun. Dallas Turner lay to

2055
01:37:34,800 --> 01:37:37,519
Speaker 1: lot to Verse, Chop Robinson, Braylan Trice.

2056
01:37:37,640 --> 01:37:41,040
Speaker 2: Chop Robinson's just a great name. I mean he's got

2057
01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:42,880
Speaker 2: to have a cross chop, right, Like, that's why the things.

2058
01:37:42,920 --> 01:37:44,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I haven't watched him a ton because this

2059
01:37:44,640 --> 01:37:46,880
Speaker 1: is just where Penn State guys. They wouldn't take him anyway.

2060
01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:49,920
Speaker 2: But all right, here's another another long one from Tom

2061
01:37:49,960 --> 01:37:51,080
Speaker 2: in the UK.

2062
01:37:51,600 --> 01:37:58,720
Speaker 1: So uh, real name Chop Robinson.

2063
01:37:58,400 --> 01:38:04,080
Speaker 2: By the way, So here's Tom in the UK. This

2064
01:38:04,160 --> 01:38:07,400
Speaker 2: is actually pretty newsworthy right now because I just saw

2065
01:38:07,400 --> 01:38:10,880
Speaker 2: a tweet that the Bears are interviewing Zach Robinson for

2066
01:38:10,960 --> 01:38:15,679
Speaker 2: their offensive coordinator position. The Bears are interviewing Zach Robinson.

2067
01:38:15,800 --> 01:38:18,479
Speaker 1: No hire Roman, Greg Roman?

2068
01:38:19,240 --> 01:38:24,120
Speaker 2: Yeah right. I I love the idea of Zach Robinson

2069
01:38:24,160 --> 01:38:27,519
Speaker 2: and the reason, like it's not even about the fact

2070
01:38:27,520 --> 01:38:29,760
Speaker 2: that he played here. The reason why I like that

2071
01:38:29,800 --> 01:38:31,680
Speaker 2: he played here is because they might actually hire him

2072
01:38:31,680 --> 01:38:33,439
Speaker 2: because they know who he is, right, Like, it's not

2073
01:38:33,720 --> 01:38:35,920
Speaker 2: it's an Adrian Clem situation, like they actually have a

2074
01:38:35,960 --> 01:38:39,760
Speaker 2: relationship with the guy. But I love the idea of

2075
01:38:39,920 --> 01:38:44,040
Speaker 2: Zach Robinson, who is kind of like, you know quarterback

2076
01:38:44,080 --> 01:38:48,439
Speaker 2: guy right obviously played quarterback like you know Kevin O'Connell ish, right,

2077
01:38:48,520 --> 01:38:50,680
Speaker 2: like in just that sort of thing. That's what you're

2078
01:38:50,680 --> 01:38:54,200
Speaker 2: going for a backup quarterback. You know, Kellen Moore, Kevin O'Connell,

2079
01:38:54,280 --> 01:38:58,360
Speaker 2: that that type of person with the McVeigh background, right,

2080
01:38:58,439 --> 01:39:01,280
Speaker 2: So you're bringing essentially you would hope that he would

2081
01:39:01,280 --> 01:39:04,760
Speaker 2: be bringing the McVeigh offense to New England and he

2082
01:39:04,800 --> 01:39:08,280
Speaker 2: would have that quarterback whisper thing. Before he got into

2083
01:39:08,320 --> 01:39:11,759
Speaker 2: actual coaching with the Rams, he was working at PFF,

2084
01:39:11,840 --> 01:39:15,479
Speaker 2: but he was also working as a quarterbacks consultant and

2085
01:39:15,600 --> 01:39:19,879
Speaker 2: like coach, like a Jordan Palmer type, Quincy Avery, Jordan Palmer,

2086
01:39:20,240 --> 01:39:22,280
Speaker 2: those types of guys. So this is a guy that

2087
01:39:22,400 --> 01:39:25,760
Speaker 2: not only could build your offense like the Rams have,

2088
01:39:26,120 --> 01:39:29,479
Speaker 2: but he would also be able to really develop your quarterback.

2089
01:39:29,479 --> 01:39:31,479
Speaker 2: And when I say really, I mean like footwork and

2090
01:39:31,560 --> 01:39:34,439
Speaker 2: mechanics and like you wouldn't need to send this guy

2091
01:39:34,479 --> 01:39:37,479
Speaker 2: to Jordan Palmer because you would have your own Jordan

2092
01:39:37,520 --> 01:39:38,639
Speaker 2: Palmer in house.

2093
01:39:38,680 --> 01:39:40,599
Speaker 1: You have like a true quarterback coach.

2094
01:39:40,720 --> 01:39:43,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. I love the idea of Zach Robinson and the

2095
01:39:43,840 --> 01:39:46,920
Speaker 2: fact that they haven't kicked the tires on him. It

2096
01:39:47,080 --> 01:39:50,960
Speaker 2: makes me upset. Hopefully that's they're still playing things close

2097
01:39:51,000 --> 01:39:52,640
Speaker 2: to the vest like they did in the Belichick era,

2098
01:39:52,680 --> 01:39:54,360
Speaker 2: and we're just gonna kind of find out about it,

2099
01:39:54,960 --> 01:39:57,320
Speaker 2: But I really love the idea of Zach Robinson. I

2100
01:39:57,320 --> 01:40:00,560
Speaker 2: think that that would be my probably my well, my

2101
01:40:00,640 --> 01:40:02,840
Speaker 2: dream high would be Cliff but that's not happening, So

2102
01:40:02,920 --> 01:40:05,040
Speaker 2: my second one would be would be Zach Robinson.

2103
01:40:05,600 --> 01:40:09,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, he'd be a great higher. He'd be up

2104
01:40:09,000 --> 01:40:10,400
Speaker 1: there again, like you said, he's gonna bring a lot

2105
01:40:10,439 --> 01:40:12,840
Speaker 1: of those modern elements you want. I think a true quarterback.

2106
01:40:13,080 --> 01:40:15,160
Speaker 1: They haven't really had a true quarterbacks coach. They've had

2107
01:40:15,160 --> 01:40:18,759
Speaker 1: some offensive coordinators who are also you know, experienced with quarterbacks,

2108
01:40:18,800 --> 01:40:20,360
Speaker 1: but they haven't had a true quarterbacks coach here in

2109
01:40:20,400 --> 01:40:20,719
Speaker 1: a while.

2110
01:40:20,880 --> 01:40:25,599
Speaker 2: Okay, this email, Alex says, Kean Coleman is Nikhil Harry

2111
01:40:25,760 --> 01:40:26,360
Speaker 2: two point zero.

2112
01:40:26,439 --> 01:40:27,080
Speaker 1: I mean he might be.

2113
01:40:27,160 --> 01:40:29,839
Speaker 2: That's you know, that's that's kind of how I feel.

2114
01:40:29,640 --> 01:40:32,479
Speaker 1: Floor ceiling T Higgins. Nikhil Harry, That's kind of how

2115
01:40:32,520 --> 01:40:35,160
Speaker 1: I feel the way around stealing floor T Higgins.

2116
01:40:35,200 --> 01:40:37,320
Speaker 2: And I also wants to know and he says, Troy

2117
01:40:37,400 --> 01:40:39,920
Speaker 2: Franklins better than Taekwon Thornton. I think he might be too.

2118
01:40:39,800 --> 01:40:41,679
Speaker 1: But that's better, but the same kind of player.

2119
01:40:42,320 --> 01:40:47,679
Speaker 2: And the last point he makes Ladd McConkie, No, Lad,

2120
01:40:48,960 --> 01:40:51,479
Speaker 2: come on, I have come on, give me your Lad

2121
01:40:51,560 --> 01:40:54,479
Speaker 2: McConkie take. He's not a bad player because he Okay,

2122
01:40:54,560 --> 01:40:56,719
Speaker 2: so let me ask you this about Lad McConkie. Yeah,

2123
01:40:56,760 --> 01:40:58,800
Speaker 2: so I'm gonna go with I'm gonna give you two

2124
01:40:58,800 --> 01:41:01,760
Speaker 2: white stereotypes, and you tell me which one he's closer to. Okay, Okay,

2125
01:41:01,960 --> 01:41:07,240
Speaker 2: Jordy Nelson and Cooper Cup. I mean he's he's probably

2126
01:41:07,240 --> 01:41:09,320
Speaker 2: closer to Jordy Nelson. Yeah, I agree.

2127
01:41:09,880 --> 01:41:17,080
Speaker 1: I just I don't know he's he's so Georgia's offensive

2128
01:41:17,120 --> 01:41:19,680
Speaker 1: line and run game have been dominant for years. You

2129
01:41:19,680 --> 01:41:22,639
Speaker 1: don't get a lot of complex coverages against Georgia. You're

2130
01:41:22,680 --> 01:41:25,000
Speaker 1: pretty much one on one if you're a receiver for

2131
01:41:25,160 --> 01:41:27,240
Speaker 1: and then you throw brock Bowers into it as well.

2132
01:41:27,280 --> 01:41:28,960
Speaker 1: There's not a lot of help over the top because

2133
01:41:29,000 --> 01:41:31,800
Speaker 1: the tight ends are worried about. They're the safeties. He

2134
01:41:31,840 --> 01:41:34,960
Speaker 1: worried about the tight end. Like does Ladd McConkie do

2135
01:41:35,040 --> 01:41:37,160
Speaker 1: some nice things? Yes? Like can he be as serviceable

2136
01:41:37,240 --> 01:41:39,360
Speaker 1: NFL player? Yes? You know who he actually kind of

2137
01:41:39,360 --> 01:41:41,120
Speaker 1: reminds me a little bit of is Chris Hogan. He's

2138
01:41:41,160 --> 01:41:43,479
Speaker 1: not quite as fast, but that kind of guy. Yeah,

2139
01:41:43,760 --> 01:41:48,080
Speaker 1: I just as a second round pick don't. I don't

2140
01:41:48,080 --> 01:41:50,600
Speaker 1: think Ladd McConkie's ever going to be a wide receiver one. No,

2141
01:41:50,760 --> 01:41:52,360
Speaker 1: I don't think that's ever gonna happen. I like the

2142
01:41:52,760 --> 01:41:55,000
Speaker 1: he's like draft the bolek Chris Hogan. I do like

2143
01:41:55,040 --> 01:41:57,280
Speaker 1: that kind of He's not quite as fast Hogan was

2144
01:41:57,320 --> 01:41:59,639
Speaker 1: sneaky fast. I I don't think he's got that kind

2145
01:41:59,640 --> 01:42:01,480
Speaker 1: of top uh top.

2146
01:42:01,600 --> 01:42:03,360
Speaker 2: I also like if you're looking for ceiling, like I

2147
01:42:03,400 --> 01:42:05,360
Speaker 2: do think Jordy Nelson's probably the comp.

2148
01:42:05,240 --> 01:42:07,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, but even Jordy Nelson was never really a true

2149
01:42:08,200 --> 01:42:09,800
Speaker 1: wide receiver one was he?

2150
01:42:10,040 --> 01:42:12,960
Speaker 2: Uh No? Because they it wasn't DeVante Adams yet, but

2151
01:42:13,000 --> 01:42:16,000
Speaker 2: they had they had somebody else in those packer teams

2152
01:42:16,400 --> 01:42:19,519
Speaker 2: on the outside. It's not I don't remember.

2153
01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:22,120
Speaker 1: I can't remember either, but like they it wasn't real.

2154
01:42:22,080 --> 01:42:26,000
Speaker 2: Cob it might have been. They definitely overlapped, but there

2155
01:42:26,040 --> 01:42:27,920
Speaker 2: was somebody else on the Maybe it was like the

2156
01:42:28,080 --> 01:42:30,559
Speaker 2: end of Donald Driver or something like that. Right, Like,

2157
01:42:30,640 --> 01:42:32,160
Speaker 2: I don't know, that's not the point.

2158
01:42:32,520 --> 01:42:35,360
Speaker 1: Like if I'm taking a guy in the top sixty, oh,

2159
01:42:35,400 --> 01:42:36,520
Speaker 1: Greg Jennings.

2160
01:42:36,080 --> 01:42:40,599
Speaker 2: Greg Jennings was Greg Jennings, Greg Greg jens the team

2161
01:42:40,760 --> 01:42:41,920
Speaker 2: on his back.

2162
01:42:41,840 --> 01:42:46,400
Speaker 1: Though forgot it all time. Great great YouTube video that

2163
01:42:46,560 --> 01:42:50,280
Speaker 1: was awesome. I I just don't can Lad McConkie be

2164
01:42:50,400 --> 01:42:54,080
Speaker 1: like a good reliable wide receiver two Yeah, I think

2165
01:42:54,160 --> 01:42:57,880
Speaker 1: so he's never gonna be that coverage dictating Tuesday morning

2166
01:42:57,960 --> 01:43:00,599
Speaker 1: receiver on just not taking that guy in the top

2167
01:43:00,640 --> 01:43:02,080
Speaker 1: fifty lot he doesn't know.

2168
01:43:02,320 --> 01:43:03,400
Speaker 2: I think it's a third round pick.

2169
01:43:03,600 --> 01:43:06,640
Speaker 1: I think late third round. Yeah, might be. I'm not

2170
01:43:06,720 --> 01:43:09,240
Speaker 1: taking him unless he who what are the pay peop

2171
01:43:09,280 --> 01:43:11,639
Speaker 1: on saying, who is that guy gonna have like sixty

2172
01:43:12,479 --> 01:43:14,160
Speaker 1: unless he like puts down like a four to three

2173
01:43:14,240 --> 01:43:16,560
Speaker 1: out of nowhere and you're like or something like that,

2174
01:43:16,720 --> 01:43:20,160
Speaker 1: And we just at missing the speed because he plays

2175
01:43:20,280 --> 01:43:23,080
Speaker 1: differently because some guys they they don't always run a

2176
01:43:23,160 --> 01:43:24,880
Speaker 1: hundred at one hundred miles an hour, right like.

2177
01:43:24,920 --> 01:43:28,760
Speaker 2: They they played more of like a varied shifty game

2178
01:43:28,760 --> 01:43:30,800
Speaker 2: where they kind of tempo speeds and things like that.

2179
01:43:30,960 --> 01:43:33,920
Speaker 2: That's what helps them get open that good receivers do that.

2180
01:43:34,120 --> 01:43:36,080
Speaker 2: You know, you don't have to run one hundred miles

2181
01:43:36,080 --> 01:43:39,000
Speaker 2: an hour. I think that's a problem that Taekwon Thornton has. Yeah,

2182
01:43:39,040 --> 01:43:40,960
Speaker 2: it's like you just got to slow down sometimes and

2183
01:43:41,080 --> 01:43:43,559
Speaker 2: then you know when to use your superpower and when

2184
01:43:43,640 --> 01:43:45,600
Speaker 2: not to. I think that's part of the reason what

2185
01:43:45,720 --> 01:43:48,240
Speaker 2: makes Tyreek Kill so ridiculous is like he can just

2186
01:43:48,320 --> 01:43:50,880
Speaker 2: hit the throttle at any time and you think he's

2187
01:43:50,920 --> 01:43:52,800
Speaker 2: moving at one hundred percent, but he's not. He's moving

2188
01:43:52,840 --> 01:43:55,720
Speaker 2: at like seventy five. All right, Alex, we got the

2189
01:43:55,800 --> 01:44:03,320
Speaker 2: email from Ari. What about J J McCarthy. We're gonna

2190
01:44:03,320 --> 01:44:06,200
Speaker 2: get this email like a thousand times between now and

2191
01:44:06,400 --> 01:44:10,200
Speaker 2: in April twenty eighth. JJ McCarthy, I.

2192
01:44:10,560 --> 01:44:13,360
Speaker 1: Tweeted out Win Zavin he wins I tuned.

2193
01:44:13,160 --> 01:44:16,040
Speaker 2: It out the other day that he uh, it blows

2194
01:44:16,120 --> 01:44:18,720
Speaker 2: my mind that somebody who I really really respect a

2195
01:44:18,760 --> 01:44:22,679
Speaker 2: ton in the draft community and Dan Brugler has JJ

2196
01:44:22,800 --> 01:44:25,960
Speaker 2: McCarthy as a late first round pick. I I don't

2197
01:44:26,000 --> 01:44:28,519
Speaker 2: see it. So I'm not trying to crap on the guy.

2198
01:44:28,560 --> 01:44:29,240
Speaker 2: I just don't see it.

2199
01:44:29,360 --> 01:44:32,640
Speaker 1: Let me say this, I see I could see a

2200
01:44:32,680 --> 01:44:35,519
Speaker 1: team taking him in the first round because NFL teams

2201
01:44:35,520 --> 01:44:38,280
Speaker 1: are bad at the draft. He's not a FIR, he

2202
01:44:38,280 --> 01:44:40,880
Speaker 1: shouldn't be a first round pick. But I can see

2203
01:44:40,880 --> 01:44:44,280
Speaker 1: an NFO. He went to Michigan, he won a national championship. Look,

2204
01:44:44,320 --> 01:44:46,360
Speaker 1: he moves around like, yeah, I can see a team

2205
01:44:46,400 --> 01:44:48,879
Speaker 1: getting all hot and bothered over him. I wouldn't. I wouldn't.

2206
01:44:48,880 --> 01:44:49,080
Speaker 2: I'm not.

2207
01:44:49,240 --> 01:44:51,280
Speaker 1: I think I'm actually higher on JJ McCarthy than you are.

2208
01:44:51,600 --> 01:44:51,880
Speaker 2: I think.

2209
01:44:51,960 --> 01:44:54,680
Speaker 1: So he's sitting there in like the nineties and you

2210
01:44:54,720 --> 01:44:56,559
Speaker 1: can trade back up in like one of the compics

2211
01:44:56,640 --> 01:44:59,080
Speaker 1: late in the third. He's not a bad project player.

2212
01:44:59,520 --> 01:45:00,880
Speaker 2: I do you know his.

2213
01:45:01,080 --> 01:45:05,960
Speaker 1: Size, his athleticism. He is super young. If you maybe

2214
01:45:06,000 --> 01:45:08,519
Speaker 1: not not for the Patriots obviously obviously because they're not

2215
01:45:08,560 --> 01:45:10,519
Speaker 1: in this position, but if you're a team trying to

2216
01:45:10,600 --> 01:45:14,240
Speaker 1: like do the Jordan Love plan, yeah he would be

2217
01:45:14,880 --> 01:45:17,240
Speaker 1: a really not the first round again, Jordan Love's first

2218
01:45:17,280 --> 01:45:19,800
Speaker 1: round pick. I wouldn't do that. But if maybe it'd

2219
01:45:19,840 --> 01:45:22,200
Speaker 1: be more like Jalen Hurts. But if you're a team

2220
01:45:22,439 --> 01:45:25,000
Speaker 1: like the Packers where you know you only have X

2221
01:45:25,080 --> 01:45:27,240
Speaker 1: number of years left with Aaron Rodgers, or you're a

2222
01:45:27,320 --> 01:45:29,720
Speaker 1: team like the Jaguars or the Eagles where maybe you're

2223
01:45:29,800 --> 01:45:32,920
Speaker 1: not not the Eagles, the Jaguars or the Niners, where

2224
01:45:32,920 --> 01:45:35,040
Speaker 1: you're not sure if you're gonna bring that quarterback back,

2225
01:45:35,080 --> 01:45:37,000
Speaker 1: you're not sure you're gonna pay that quarterback, and you

2226
01:45:37,080 --> 01:45:38,479
Speaker 1: want to have a plan B. But you don't need

2227
01:45:38,600 --> 01:45:40,840
Speaker 1: him right now. Those are the teams for me that

2228
01:45:40,920 --> 01:45:43,599
Speaker 1: look at JJ McCarthy because he needs at least a year.

2229
01:45:43,840 --> 01:45:47,200
Speaker 1: It might be too it might be too for the Patriots.

2230
01:45:47,720 --> 01:45:53,519
Speaker 2: No, yes, so JJ McCarthy. I will admit that I

2231
01:45:54,160 --> 01:45:57,160
Speaker 2: had some biases going into watching him because of watching

2232
01:45:57,200 --> 01:45:59,280
Speaker 2: him live. Yeah, and I just couldn't.

2233
01:45:59,520 --> 01:46:00,639
Speaker 1: I was like, I can't.

2234
01:46:00,920 --> 01:46:03,240
Speaker 2: I don't understand the guy sprays the ball all over

2235
01:46:03,320 --> 01:46:06,080
Speaker 2: the place. He has one pitch. It's a ninety nine

2236
01:46:06,120 --> 01:46:08,960
Speaker 2: mile on hour fastball, which bugs me more than some

2237
01:46:09,160 --> 01:46:12,000
Speaker 2: it bugs other people. I understand that I would need

2238
01:46:12,040 --> 01:46:14,280
Speaker 2: a quarterback that can throw multiple types of pitches. You

2239
01:46:14,360 --> 01:46:16,439
Speaker 2: need to fast if you have If you have a

2240
01:46:16,479 --> 01:46:18,280
Speaker 2: guy that's crossing over the middle of the field on

2241
01:46:18,439 --> 01:46:20,639
Speaker 2: mesh and he's eight yards away from you, I don't

2242
01:46:20,640 --> 01:46:22,200
Speaker 2: want you to throw it through him. I want you

2243
01:46:22,320 --> 01:46:25,880
Speaker 2: to lead him and put it softly, pillowy on his hands.

2244
01:46:26,080 --> 01:46:28,320
Speaker 2: I think that that was one of the most underrated

2245
01:46:28,360 --> 01:46:30,800
Speaker 2: aspects of Tom Brady's arm talent, is that he could

2246
01:46:30,800 --> 01:46:32,640
Speaker 2: throw it through the door or he could throw a

2247
01:46:32,720 --> 01:46:35,600
Speaker 2: nice pillowy touch pass. Yeah, that just like looked like

2248
01:46:35,680 --> 01:46:38,320
Speaker 2: the receiver just had no effort to have to catch it.

2249
01:46:38,680 --> 01:46:41,800
Speaker 2: That's that's my kind of guy. When JJ McCarthy in this,

2250
01:46:42,120 --> 01:46:45,639
Speaker 2: it leads to issues, especially when he's throwing outside the numbers.

2251
01:46:45,960 --> 01:46:48,760
Speaker 2: He needs to uncork it and he overthrows the ball

2252
01:46:48,840 --> 01:46:51,200
Speaker 2: so it goes ten yards over the guy's head. He

2253
01:46:51,360 --> 01:46:54,280
Speaker 2: has a lot of issues with the way that he

2254
01:46:54,720 --> 01:46:57,720
Speaker 2: can control the football. And I worry about guys like

2255
01:46:57,800 --> 01:47:00,640
Speaker 2: that because that's a really hard thing to deven is

2256
01:47:00,840 --> 01:47:01,639
Speaker 2: multiple pitches.

2257
01:47:01,720 --> 01:47:05,680
Speaker 1: So again, my comp form is Zach Wilson. Yeah, it's

2258
01:47:05,920 --> 01:47:08,240
Speaker 1: and and so because I do floor ceiling to be

2259
01:47:08,360 --> 01:47:11,320
Speaker 1: fair ceiling brock party. If you put him around a

2260
01:47:11,400 --> 01:47:13,960
Speaker 1: ton of talent like he has a Michigan, he's gonna

2261
01:47:14,000 --> 01:47:16,080
Speaker 1: be able to operate and he might give.

2262
01:47:16,000 --> 01:47:18,400
Speaker 2: You comp is way way meaner.

2263
01:47:18,400 --> 01:47:19,960
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember who he Oh, okay, I'll let

2264
01:47:19,960 --> 01:47:22,000
Speaker 1: you get to the second. But at the end of

2265
01:47:22,120 --> 01:47:24,400
Speaker 1: Zach wilt like J. J. McCarthy's gonna go to the

2266
01:47:24,479 --> 01:47:26,479
Speaker 1: Pro day and he's gonna do the thing where he's

2267
01:47:26,520 --> 01:47:28,479
Speaker 1: in shorts and a T shirt and he rolls to

2268
01:47:28,560 --> 01:47:30,200
Speaker 1: the left and then comes back to the right and

2269
01:47:30,320 --> 01:47:32,920
Speaker 1: flips his hips and throws the ball seventy yards. Oh

2270
01:47:33,000 --> 01:47:35,880
Speaker 1: my god. Throw is if every single quarterback in the

2271
01:47:36,000 --> 01:47:38,400
Speaker 1: last five years hasn't made that throw At his pro day,

2272
01:47:38,600 --> 01:47:42,160
Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson's hit the ceiling right. Anthony Richardson's was actually impressive,

2273
01:47:42,360 --> 01:47:44,560
Speaker 1: but Zach Wilson didn't ever resign. Oh my god, this

2274
01:47:44,680 --> 01:47:46,599
Speaker 1: is why the Jets are taking Zach Wilson second overall.

2275
01:47:46,640 --> 01:47:49,840
Speaker 1: It's like because he can throw in shorts. So I

2276
01:47:50,040 --> 01:47:52,040
Speaker 1: just I see so much as Zach Wilson. Rich this

2277
01:47:52,120 --> 01:47:56,800
Speaker 1: guy that's like one tab does this uber competitor? I

2278
01:47:56,840 --> 01:47:59,280
Speaker 1: don't see it. Yeah, I don't see it. Zach Wilson.

2279
01:47:59,360 --> 01:48:03,040
Speaker 1: Any team, time, place except Coastal Carolina wouldn't go down

2280
01:48:03,080 --> 01:48:05,080
Speaker 1: and face my guy. Grace and McCall In the COVID year,

2281
01:48:05,840 --> 01:48:08,320
Speaker 1: I think, like you said, Zach Wilson, everything came out

2282
01:48:08,320 --> 01:48:10,120
Speaker 1: of his hands a million miles an hour. Yeah, and

2283
01:48:10,240 --> 01:48:15,160
Speaker 1: there's also I in the big games, they took it

2284
01:48:15,200 --> 01:48:17,519
Speaker 1: out of his hands. Now that's a little different, Zack Wilson.

2285
01:48:17,680 --> 01:48:19,360
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson had the ball in his hands late in

2286
01:48:19,400 --> 01:48:22,800
Speaker 1: games and choked, specifically against Coastal when he finally played them.

2287
01:48:23,200 --> 01:48:27,559
Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy. It's not a great and I know, Harboss

2288
01:48:27,560 --> 01:48:29,799
Speaker 1: says all the stuff. Oh, he's the best Michigan quarterback

2289
01:48:29,800 --> 01:48:33,320
Speaker 1: since Tom Brady won that bar super low right now

2290
01:48:33,400 --> 01:48:34,759
Speaker 1: that title is held by Chad Henny.

2291
01:48:34,840 --> 01:48:37,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, like Tom Brady in college was not tom Brady

2292
01:48:37,240 --> 01:48:39,320
Speaker 2: yet And and some of that was circumstance, like I

2293
01:48:39,439 --> 01:48:40,680
Speaker 2: know that the story, but like.

2294
01:48:40,760 --> 01:48:43,640
Speaker 1: Even even besides, like all right, cool, you better than

2295
01:48:43,680 --> 01:48:46,960
Speaker 1: Chad Henny. Congratulations, it's not high bar. Also it you know,

2296
01:48:47,280 --> 01:48:50,040
Speaker 1: don't talk about it, be about it. If JJ McCarthy

2297
01:48:50,160 --> 01:48:53,080
Speaker 1: was that good, why'd he only throw eight times against

2298
01:48:53,120 --> 01:48:54,840
Speaker 1: Penn State? Why'd you take the ball out of his

2299
01:48:54,880 --> 01:48:56,519
Speaker 1: hands late against Ohio State? Why did you take the

2300
01:48:56,560 --> 01:48:59,400
Speaker 1: ball out of his hands in the playoff? Like, yeah, Harbaugh,

2301
01:48:59,600 --> 01:49:01,960
Speaker 1: Well I guess, Harbor, he's a really good Ohio State game.

2302
01:49:02,000 --> 01:49:03,000
Speaker 1: Harriball wasn't calling, But.

2303
01:49:03,280 --> 01:49:05,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a really good fit. And I'll give my

2304
01:49:05,560 --> 01:49:08,200
Speaker 2: competence second, but he's a really good fit if you

2305
01:49:08,400 --> 01:49:14,679
Speaker 2: run like a downhill power run game where all he's

2306
01:49:14,720 --> 01:49:16,800
Speaker 2: got to do is throw off of like play action

2307
01:49:16,960 --> 01:49:20,560
Speaker 2: and moving pockets right right, you know, it's kind of shanahany,

2308
01:49:20,680 --> 01:49:22,680
Speaker 2: Like every quarterback could fit in the Shanahan scheme. So

2309
01:49:22,720 --> 01:49:25,519
Speaker 2: I hate saying like, oh, just put him with Kyle Shanahan, Like, yeah,

2310
01:49:25,600 --> 01:49:28,479
Speaker 2: everybody's gonna look, you know, decent if you if you're

2311
01:49:28,520 --> 01:49:30,599
Speaker 2: worth a damn in the league, like Sam Darnold look

2312
01:49:30,640 --> 01:49:33,120
Speaker 2: good in the preseason playing in the forty nine ers offense.

2313
01:49:33,400 --> 01:49:36,280
Speaker 2: The point is is that he is. Yeah, like if

2314
01:49:36,360 --> 01:49:40,559
Speaker 2: you open passing windows for him to throw in between

2315
01:49:40,600 --> 01:49:44,360
Speaker 2: the numbers with play action, he has made some decent

2316
01:49:44,439 --> 01:49:45,040
Speaker 2: throws if you.

2317
01:49:45,080 --> 01:49:47,240
Speaker 1: Make it easy for him. He's capable and he can.

2318
01:49:47,400 --> 01:49:49,679
Speaker 1: The one thing he does well is throw off platform.

2319
01:49:50,000 --> 01:49:52,320
Speaker 1: He doesn't always need to set his feet to deliver

2320
01:49:52,439 --> 01:49:54,840
Speaker 1: the ball. So yeah, if you're rolling him out a

2321
01:49:54,920 --> 01:49:57,960
Speaker 1: ton and you have guys that can you talk about

2322
01:49:58,040 --> 01:50:00,320
Speaker 1: Roman Wilson his ability to create after the can you

2323
01:50:00,400 --> 01:50:02,040
Speaker 1: know how I feel that Blake corm and done. Even

2324
01:50:02,120 --> 01:50:03,600
Speaker 1: Edwards went back to school, So you only have to

2325
01:50:03,640 --> 01:50:05,000
Speaker 1: hear me talk about one of them for the next

2326
01:50:05,080 --> 01:50:05,759
Speaker 1: four months.

2327
01:50:05,720 --> 01:50:08,120
Speaker 2: The one that's gonna go higher, Like no, we're not,

2328
01:50:08,320 --> 01:50:08,960
Speaker 2: We're not doing this.

2329
01:50:09,120 --> 01:50:10,519
Speaker 1: Some people thought they might go back to back, some

2330
01:50:10,600 --> 01:50:13,960
Speaker 1: people had them as RB's two and three, But yeah,

2331
01:50:14,040 --> 01:50:18,360
Speaker 1: I just for what the Patriots need. He's you couldn't

2332
01:50:18,400 --> 01:50:21,240
Speaker 1: be further of a fit. So what can I get

2333
01:50:21,280 --> 01:50:24,640
Speaker 1: my give your comment? Remember who my mean comm for J.

2334
01:50:24,760 --> 01:50:29,320
Speaker 2: J McCarthy Mitchell Trubisky. And people are gonna hear that.

2335
01:50:29,720 --> 01:50:33,520
Speaker 1: That are especially the Michigan fans, and they're the pitchforks

2336
01:50:33,520 --> 01:50:37,640
Speaker 1: are gonna come out, are so protective the Wolverines are

2337
01:50:37,680 --> 01:50:38,120
Speaker 1: coming out.

2338
01:50:38,360 --> 01:50:42,880
Speaker 2: But here's the thing. If Mitchell Trubisky was drafted as

2339
01:50:42,960 --> 01:50:46,360
Speaker 2: like a day two project quarterback that I'm not saying

2340
01:50:46,400 --> 01:50:47,840
Speaker 2: he would have been like a Hall of Famer. I'm

2341
01:50:47,920 --> 01:50:52,000
Speaker 2: just saying his career in the like reputation that he

2342
01:50:52,160 --> 01:50:53,439
Speaker 2: holds is much different.

2343
01:50:53,479 --> 01:50:54,519
Speaker 1: It would be decent.

2344
01:50:55,200 --> 01:50:57,280
Speaker 2: The problem was is that he was drafted third overall,

2345
01:50:57,360 --> 01:51:00,599
Speaker 2: ahead from the Patrick Mahomes and Deshaan Waton wants that right, Yeah,

2346
01:51:00,640 --> 01:51:03,400
Speaker 2: so like that's that's it's a different conversation. So I

2347
01:51:03,479 --> 01:51:06,920
Speaker 2: would take JJ McCarthy in like the middle rounds, not

2348
01:51:07,040 --> 01:51:12,720
Speaker 2: the second. I probably wouldn't take the would late third. Yeah, yeah,

2349
01:51:12,880 --> 01:51:15,360
Speaker 2: I would take him in the middle rock and see

2350
01:51:15,400 --> 01:51:18,920
Speaker 2: if he develops into something fine. In a lot of ways,

2351
01:51:18,960 --> 01:51:20,800
Speaker 2: I look at him and like you know, just from

2352
01:51:20,880 --> 01:51:23,040
Speaker 2: like the spot and all, like Davis Mills Ish right,

2353
01:51:23,160 --> 01:51:27,080
Speaker 2: like third fourth, Rod got some tools, got some ability, Like,

2354
01:51:27,200 --> 01:51:30,600
Speaker 2: let's see what happens. Oh, I have No, I'm not

2355
01:51:30,640 --> 01:51:35,559
Speaker 2: saying he's playing style wise. He's got enough physical tools

2356
01:51:35,560 --> 01:51:38,080
Speaker 2: that I understand why people look at JJ McCarthy and

2357
01:51:38,160 --> 01:51:40,719
Speaker 2: say he could develop into something in the league.

2358
01:51:40,840 --> 01:51:41,200
Speaker 1: I get it.

2359
01:51:41,439 --> 01:51:44,040
Speaker 2: He's got a good arm, he's got mobility, he's got

2360
01:51:44,320 --> 01:51:46,680
Speaker 2: the throw on the run at of structure. Stuff like

2361
01:51:46,800 --> 01:51:51,080
Speaker 2: you mentioned is there. But he is extremely, extremely raw

2362
01:51:51,080 --> 01:51:53,920
Speaker 2: and inconsistent right now. So that's just why I'm not

2363
01:51:54,120 --> 01:51:57,040
Speaker 2: touching that type of player in the first round. You

2364
01:51:57,320 --> 01:51:58,920
Speaker 2: if your first round pick, you have to be able

2365
01:51:59,000 --> 01:52:01,080
Speaker 2: to do some stuff right out of the gate, right,

2366
01:52:01,160 --> 01:52:04,760
Speaker 2: and he's he's not all right. So the last couple

2367
01:52:04,800 --> 01:52:06,760
Speaker 2: of things, and then we got to wrap it up. Uh,

2368
01:52:07,240 --> 01:52:10,160
Speaker 2: somebody emailed in and I'm we talked about this to

2369
01:52:10,240 --> 01:52:12,120
Speaker 2: touch on it earlier, and I didn't. We didn't really

2370
01:52:12,160 --> 01:52:15,040
Speaker 2: hash it out. Uh, drawed Mayo. Ops, And of course

2371
01:52:15,080 --> 01:52:17,040
Speaker 2: I just deleted the email. Drawd Mayo.

2372
01:52:17,320 --> 01:52:17,439
Speaker 1: Uh.

2373
01:52:17,640 --> 01:52:21,680
Speaker 2: Yesterday with Steve Burton his comments, so he said, and

2374
01:52:22,120 --> 01:52:24,559
Speaker 2: this is the quote. I think directly, it looks right,

2375
01:52:25,040 --> 01:52:27,679
Speaker 2: we are going to draft the best player for a position.

2376
01:52:28,080 --> 01:52:31,800
Speaker 2: That is very important. Dot dot dot. You put the

2377
01:52:31,840 --> 01:52:35,120
Speaker 2: pieces together. So a lot of people took this as

2378
01:52:35,640 --> 01:52:37,840
Speaker 2: it could mean anything. It could even be a boat, right,

2379
01:52:37,920 --> 01:52:40,200
Speaker 2: like who knows, Like it could be a receiver, It

2380
01:52:40,240 --> 01:52:42,439
Speaker 2: could be a tackle like that. You know, it could

2381
01:52:42,520 --> 01:52:47,639
Speaker 2: just mean premium position, but best player at a position

2382
01:52:47,760 --> 01:52:51,320
Speaker 2: that is very important. You put the pieces together. It's

2383
01:52:51,360 --> 01:52:52,639
Speaker 2: hard not to put the pieces together.

2384
01:52:52,720 --> 01:52:54,719
Speaker 1: Jirod and say, you just told us you're taking a quarterback,

2385
01:52:54,760 --> 01:52:57,840
Speaker 1: except he is a linebacker, maybe a lineback. No, no,

2386
01:52:57,920 --> 01:53:00,920
Speaker 1: I don't look it could mean premium position, which off

2387
01:53:00,960 --> 01:53:03,439
Speaker 1: ball linebacker no longer a premium position, by the way,

2388
01:53:03,720 --> 01:53:06,040
Speaker 1: it could be a premium position, or could mean tell

2389
01:53:06,080 --> 01:53:09,920
Speaker 1: that to him in quarterback take Jeremiah Trotter. Uh, yeah,

2390
01:53:10,000 --> 01:53:12,800
Speaker 1: that's kind of where I'm at, where maybe that is

2391
01:53:12,880 --> 01:53:15,560
Speaker 1: his way of saying premium because left tackle is a

2392
01:53:15,760 --> 01:53:18,439
Speaker 1: very important position. Yeah, and I know people are gonna

2393
01:53:18,439 --> 01:53:21,000
Speaker 1: cringe at that, but like, is that his way of

2394
01:53:21,040 --> 01:53:22,880
Speaker 1: saying premium? It seems too good to be true that

2395
01:53:22,920 --> 01:53:25,320
Speaker 1: he just told us he's taking a quarterback. Everything else

2396
01:53:25,360 --> 01:53:27,920
Speaker 1: tell me he told us that, But I'm like, he

2397
01:53:28,600 --> 01:53:29,240
Speaker 1: really just say it.

2398
01:53:29,479 --> 01:53:33,640
Speaker 2: So the difference is is that The only argument that

2399
01:53:33,720 --> 01:53:36,040
Speaker 2: I can have that maybe he really was talking quarterback.

2400
01:53:37,000 --> 01:53:39,040
Speaker 2: He wants to be different from Bill, right, And I

2401
01:53:39,120 --> 01:53:41,440
Speaker 2: think that there is gonna be a level of transparency

2402
01:53:41,520 --> 01:53:44,000
Speaker 2: that didn't exist in the Belichick era. If you look

2403
01:53:44,080 --> 01:53:46,880
Speaker 2: at other teams, maybe their head coach of the team

2404
01:53:47,000 --> 01:53:49,639
Speaker 2: is not coming out and saying we're taking a quarterback

2405
01:53:49,720 --> 01:53:52,080
Speaker 2: this year at the top of the draft. But these

2406
01:53:52,280 --> 01:53:58,720
Speaker 2: vague insinuations like was anybody confused about what Carolina did

2407
01:53:58,880 --> 01:54:03,360
Speaker 2: last year? Did anybody think that Carolina was not taking

2408
01:54:03,400 --> 01:54:04,240
Speaker 2: a quarterback at one?

2409
01:54:04,280 --> 01:54:04,599
Speaker 1: Overall?

2410
01:54:04,640 --> 01:54:06,680
Speaker 2: Like take Bryce Young and CJ Stride out of it,

2411
01:54:06,840 --> 01:54:10,760
Speaker 2: just like everyone knew that Carolina was taking a quarterback.

2412
01:54:11,040 --> 01:54:13,040
Speaker 2: I don't think Carolina hid the fact that they were

2413
01:54:13,080 --> 01:54:15,439
Speaker 2: taking a quarterback. Now they were one, so they had

2414
01:54:15,479 --> 01:54:18,080
Speaker 2: no competition. So I get that like telling people at

2415
01:54:18,080 --> 01:54:20,280
Speaker 2: three years old, now if like somebody wants one of them,

2416
01:54:20,320 --> 01:54:20,960
Speaker 2: they could jump you.

2417
01:54:21,880 --> 01:54:23,720
Speaker 1: I don't think there was any debate for Houston, which

2418
01:54:23,880 --> 01:54:24,880
Speaker 1: probably more I think.

2419
01:54:24,840 --> 01:54:28,320
Speaker 2: That we are not used to that this being us right, right.

2420
01:54:28,520 --> 01:54:30,360
Speaker 2: But the point is is that I think a lot

2421
01:54:30,439 --> 01:54:33,440
Speaker 2: of teams are a little bit more forward with the

2422
01:54:33,520 --> 01:54:36,320
Speaker 2: fact that, yeah, we're in the quarterback market.

2423
01:54:36,160 --> 01:54:39,000
Speaker 1: We'll be able to taking a quarterback. Even if you

2424
01:54:39,040 --> 01:54:41,320
Speaker 1: want to be more forward, if you're picking even as

2425
01:54:41,400 --> 01:54:43,600
Speaker 1: high as like seventh, eighth, ninth, you can't really be

2426
01:54:43,600 --> 01:54:45,320
Speaker 1: because you don't know what the board's gonna look like.

2427
01:54:45,560 --> 01:54:46,040
Speaker 2: Right, That's it.

2428
01:54:46,240 --> 01:54:49,160
Speaker 1: So some of it, I think is Mayo being more transparent.

2429
01:54:49,200 --> 01:54:51,400
Speaker 1: The other thing is it's just easier to say that

2430
01:54:52,080 --> 01:54:54,880
Speaker 1: when you're picking third in a draft with three quarterbacks. Yeah,

2431
01:54:55,200 --> 01:54:58,160
Speaker 1: if there were two quarterbacks, Let's say Jane Daniels wasn't here,

2432
01:54:58,320 --> 01:55:00,880
Speaker 1: Drake Maay wasn't or Caleb Teams did to come out right,

2433
01:55:01,560 --> 01:55:03,560
Speaker 1: Maybe he doesn't say that. Maybe because you don't know

2434
01:55:03,600 --> 01:55:06,160
Speaker 1: who's going to be on the board there, it's easier

2435
01:55:06,200 --> 01:55:10,080
Speaker 1: to just positioning aside whoever's making the pick, positioning aside.

2436
01:55:10,080 --> 01:55:11,720
Speaker 1: It's it's easier to say that when you're picking in

2437
01:55:11,720 --> 01:55:12,200
Speaker 1: the top three.

2438
01:55:12,320 --> 01:55:14,640
Speaker 2: All right, as we wrap it up. Let's wrap it

2439
01:55:14,760 --> 01:55:17,600
Speaker 2: up on this as of today, January eighteenth, because we

2440
01:55:17,680 --> 01:55:21,240
Speaker 2: talked a lot about obviously for good reason. You know,

2441
01:55:22,080 --> 01:55:26,240
Speaker 2: Bill Gerrodmeo, the coaching staff, the Tulius Caesar Julius Caesar,

2442
01:55:26,560 --> 01:55:30,280
Speaker 2: which it is at two, that is from Julius Caesar

2443
01:55:30,440 --> 01:55:30,960
Speaker 2: by the way.

2444
01:55:30,920 --> 01:55:32,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, nobody was doubting that. It's just weird. You

2445
01:55:32,800 --> 01:55:33,640
Speaker 1: don't think he's a poet.

2446
01:55:33,680 --> 01:55:35,320
Speaker 2: All right, fine, I'll give you the poet thing, but

2447
01:55:35,640 --> 01:55:36,880
Speaker 2: you know what to give it to me. It's just

2448
01:55:36,960 --> 01:55:40,000
Speaker 2: a historical fact, dude, that's like fun.

2449
01:55:40,040 --> 01:55:41,760
Speaker 1: I'll give it to you. It's January eighteenth.

2450
01:55:41,840 --> 01:55:47,520
Speaker 2: It's not like January Alex Barth. Which quarterback are you taking?

2451
01:55:49,440 --> 01:55:51,520
Speaker 1: I mean, do I get Caleb Williams or is he

2452
01:55:51,600 --> 01:55:52,000
Speaker 1: off the board?

2453
01:55:52,120 --> 01:55:55,080
Speaker 2: Like, let's assume Caleb Williams is so it's May Daniels,

2454
01:55:57,680 --> 01:55:59,360
Speaker 2: but or mystery box?

2455
01:56:00,240 --> 01:56:03,600
Speaker 1: Uh so Joe Milton. People are gonna think I want

2456
01:56:03,640 --> 01:56:05,120
Speaker 1: them to take Joe Milton the first based on how

2457
01:56:05,160 --> 01:56:05,920
Speaker 1: much I talk about.

2458
01:56:05,760 --> 01:56:07,520
Speaker 2: Because every this is just funn This is all the

2459
01:56:07,640 --> 01:56:09,240
Speaker 2: question that I gets. I don't know about you, but.

2460
01:56:11,760 --> 01:56:16,839
Speaker 1: You want like January eighteenth. I'm still like slightly Jane Daniels,

2461
01:56:17,000 --> 01:56:20,240
Speaker 1: just because I think if you find a way to

2462
01:56:20,360 --> 01:56:24,560
Speaker 1: unlock his athleticism. Yep, you're talking about like a perennial

2463
01:56:24,640 --> 01:56:27,560
Speaker 1: MVP candidate and that excites me.

2464
01:56:27,960 --> 01:56:28,120
Speaker 2: Yep.

2465
01:56:28,280 --> 01:56:31,360
Speaker 1: Now that's fair if you want it here, but here's

2466
01:56:31,360 --> 01:56:34,240
Speaker 1: where I'm at. You can make an argument for Drake May,

2467
01:56:34,880 --> 01:56:37,320
Speaker 1: and I'm not necessarily gonna say you're wrong. It's a

2468
01:56:37,400 --> 01:56:40,320
Speaker 1: flavor thing. At this point, I need more information. I'm

2469
01:56:40,600 --> 01:56:43,760
Speaker 1: very lightly Jade Daniels again, because that athleticism thing, I know,

2470
01:56:43,840 --> 01:56:45,600
Speaker 1: classic me. I won't nail down to take. But like

2471
01:56:46,720 --> 01:56:49,040
Speaker 1: it's flavored, they're different. I think they're both good. They're

2472
01:56:49,080 --> 01:56:50,960
Speaker 1: strong cases for both. It's just what do you've got.

2473
01:56:51,120 --> 01:56:53,080
Speaker 1: It's like the wide receiver thing we were talking about.

2474
01:56:53,360 --> 01:56:55,320
Speaker 1: I would take Devonte's answer.

2475
01:56:55,520 --> 01:56:57,200
Speaker 2: I tried to pin you down and get you tod,

2476
01:56:57,440 --> 01:56:59,360
Speaker 2: I said, Jane Daniels, Yeah, I know, but you're just

2477
01:56:59,640 --> 01:57:01,280
Speaker 2: if is that the other thing?

2478
01:57:01,440 --> 01:57:03,000
Speaker 1: You know? I'm just explaining it like I would take

2479
01:57:03,080 --> 01:57:05,720
Speaker 1: Jane Daniels. If Jane Daniels and Drake May were both

2480
01:57:05,760 --> 01:57:08,200
Speaker 1: on the board, I would take Jane Daniels. But if

2481
01:57:08,240 --> 01:57:09,600
Speaker 1: I were in the draft room and then nine other

2482
01:57:09,640 --> 01:57:12,320
Speaker 1: people said Drake May, I would say, yeah, all right,

2483
01:57:12,440 --> 01:57:14,520
Speaker 1: Like I wouldn't necessarily put up that much of a

2484
01:57:14,560 --> 01:57:15,000
Speaker 1: fight about it.

2485
01:57:15,080 --> 01:57:17,160
Speaker 2: So I have a compound answer too. Oh boy, Okay,

2486
01:57:17,600 --> 01:57:20,520
Speaker 2: if we're running it back with Bill O'Brien, Josh mcci,

2487
01:57:21,040 --> 01:57:24,040
Speaker 2: that's obvious. So I'm going Drake May.

2488
01:57:24,160 --> 01:57:26,360
Speaker 1: I'm assuming you're getting the coordinator for the quarterback.

2489
01:57:26,520 --> 01:57:29,720
Speaker 2: If you're if you're running back the Patriots system, then

2490
01:57:29,880 --> 01:57:32,720
Speaker 2: Drake May and Drake May. The one thing I really

2491
01:57:32,840 --> 01:57:35,480
Speaker 2: like about Drake May is that he's really really good

2492
01:57:35,560 --> 01:57:37,680
Speaker 2: throwing to the middle of the field. Yeah, he's probably

2493
01:57:37,760 --> 01:57:42,200
Speaker 2: the best at like layering throws, hitting seam shots, manipulating

2494
01:57:42,240 --> 01:57:44,000
Speaker 2: coverage in the middle of the field. He has a

2495
01:57:44,120 --> 01:57:45,960
Speaker 2: really good control of the middle of the field, which

2496
01:57:46,000 --> 01:57:48,720
Speaker 2: is rare for a college quarterback. Like most college quarterbacks

2497
01:57:48,920 --> 01:57:51,360
Speaker 2: are like deep ball and then like athleticism, right, like

2498
01:57:51,440 --> 01:57:54,360
Speaker 2: that's sort of their thing. If it's that, I'm going

2499
01:57:54,480 --> 01:57:57,160
Speaker 2: Drake May. Uh, if they're gonna go outside the box

2500
01:57:57,280 --> 01:58:00,960
Speaker 2: and be creative and actually be different for once, then

2501
01:58:01,320 --> 01:58:04,080
Speaker 2: Jayden Daniels is my favorite quarterback out of this group

2502
01:58:04,200 --> 01:58:05,960
Speaker 2: just in terms of watching the guy, I just like

2503
01:58:06,080 --> 01:58:08,520
Speaker 2: watching him the most. So there's my cop out answer.

2504
01:58:09,840 --> 01:58:11,760
Speaker 2: I mean, but it's fair like we don't know who's

2505
01:58:11,760 --> 01:58:13,520
Speaker 2: going on our offense that matters. That's a part of

2506
01:58:13,560 --> 01:58:15,600
Speaker 2: the conversation, all right. I know we left a couple

2507
01:58:15,640 --> 01:58:18,520
Speaker 2: of callers on hold. Pu's about to start right now

2508
01:58:19,000 --> 01:58:22,280
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2510
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