WEBVTT - Ep. 44: Don’t Be Such a Meanmouth, Skylar

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<v Speaker 1>The way I see that hybridization could have easily produced

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<v Speaker 1>like a small math that didn't really fight, or like

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<v Speaker 1>a large mouth that wouldn't eat pretty much anything you

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<v Speaker 1>dropped in front of it. Question number one, do you self, No,

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<v Speaker 1>we did not. We did not sell launches either. Guess

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<v Speaker 1>who does Walmark, but he's got it all tied together

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<v Speaker 1>with a giant Colt forty five belt buckle. I am

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<v Speaker 1>not talking about the Billy D. Williams could forty five

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<v Speaker 1>malt liquor. We were talking about the pistol, though I

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<v Speaker 1>often opt for white sweatpants when I fish drive unless

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<v Speaker 1>it's after Labor Day. Good morning, degenerate anglers, and welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to Ben to the Fishing podcast. That's better than Netscape,

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<v Speaker 1>but not quite as good as asked Jeeves. When it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to answering Huormo's burning fishing questions, I'm Joe sph

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<v Speaker 1>Millie Miles Nulty. I was more. I was more web

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<v Speaker 1>crawler and Legos WebCrawler. Web Crawler. Those are that my

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<v Speaker 1>go to source for for cliffs notes and uh leisure

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<v Speaker 1>suit Larry game hacks back in the nineties. Where as

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<v Speaker 1>fun as this is that to drop stupid reverences where

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<v Speaker 1>we're going. Dude, is this like the are were theming

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<v Speaker 1>this show doom and slow download speeds or something. Oh no,

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<v Speaker 1>but that would be a fun challenge. I would take

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<v Speaker 1>that on. I don't want to do a doom show.

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<v Speaker 1>Doom and Doom and dogpile. The sound effects alone, that grunting.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just constantly grunting and gunfire. Um no, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm actually what I'm doing here is I'm ripping off

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<v Speaker 1>something we dabbled with a while back. Remember that we

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<v Speaker 1>did a one off segment with Tom Rosenbauer called the

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<v Speaker 1>Right Question. Remember that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I like

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<v Speaker 1>that one. I thought that was good. We told was

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<v Speaker 1>actually making that a segment where we we asked people

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<v Speaker 1>about dumb we were gonna like. The whole idea was

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<v Speaker 1>that we would take smart people who get lots of

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<v Speaker 1>questions that are not so smart and and asked them

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<v Speaker 1>to explain how to formulate better or smarter questions. The

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<v Speaker 1>idea being if you ask better questions, you get better answers.

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<v Speaker 1>But we never really like, we were never able to

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<v Speaker 1>make it into a full set. If I remember correctly,

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<v Speaker 1>We thought it was a great idea, but we didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have that many opportunities to pull it right, and I

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<v Speaker 1>still think it's a really good idea. It has merits.

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<v Speaker 1>So just just for some fun today, I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>reframe it a bit and make it kind of personal because,

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<v Speaker 1>as many of you guys know, I hope most of

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Miles and I are very much open doors

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<v Speaker 1>right like you d m U s a question or

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<v Speaker 1>email a question to the Bent email account, we answer right.

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<v Speaker 1>We love entertaining and telling good stories, but our job,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, has for a long time also been helping

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<v Speaker 1>people catch more fish and have fun doing so. And uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean we also just love to talk fishing, Like

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<v Speaker 1>punk music and fishing are really the only things I'm

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<v Speaker 1>qualified to talk about. If we're not talking about one

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<v Speaker 1>of those two things. I just kind of turned into

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<v Speaker 1>a vegetable. Um. So, like we genuinely enjoy answering phishing questions. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll say Joe's better on the d M S. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>better on the email. Fan which route you want to

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<v Speaker 1>take it? But uh, you're setting up a theme for

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<v Speaker 1>the show, dude, and you're just telling people about this now,

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<v Speaker 1>like right now, who are listening into the show at

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<v Speaker 1>this moment, So I don't exactly know how we're gonna, like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how are we going to make an

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<v Speaker 1>episode based around questions that we we haven't yet received.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm struggling. Now that's a valid point. But see, I

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<v Speaker 1>thought i'd use this opportunity to address the two most

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<v Speaker 1>common questions I get and I'm sure if you get

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<v Speaker 1>them or similar questions, and I want to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>them and how you should rework them a little so

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<v Speaker 1>we can help you. Okay, okay, help mat, help me,

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<v Speaker 1>help me, help you, all right, this is this is fun.

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<v Speaker 1>This is fun. Thank you, Jerry. And uh, I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 1>curious to see. I'm guessing our questions will overlap, but

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<v Speaker 1>let's see. Let's me too. Okay, So most common question

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<v Speaker 1>number one, could you recommend a good fly outfit? And

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<v Speaker 1>Lord knows I can recommend a good outfit for everything

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<v Speaker 1>from bull reds to blue girls, right, it does. I

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<v Speaker 1>will say it's trickier when dude says, where I'm fishing

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<v Speaker 1>the mostly stocked trout, but there's also some huge car.

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<v Speaker 1>Occasionally we get some giant pike in there are loads

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<v Speaker 1>of perch. But those details I can work around, like

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<v Speaker 1>I can. We'll figure that out. But the basic question,

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<v Speaker 1>the initial question is always answered with another question every

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<v Speaker 1>single time. And you know what it is? How much?

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<v Speaker 1>What's the budget? What do you guys? You can't just

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<v Speaker 1>ask an open questions like that without any expanding parameters

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<v Speaker 1>there it is. I think that's a good tip kind

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<v Speaker 1>of when you're asking anyone to recommend anything about gear

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<v Speaker 1>like a recliner of walkman, that's that phone and fishing

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<v Speaker 1>around whatever budget is critical and and you know you

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<v Speaker 1>you have both. We know about gear, like we know

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<v Speaker 1>about lots of fishing gear. We've had to be up

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<v Speaker 1>on it as a lot of our jobs for a while.

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<v Speaker 1>So like it doesn't matter the price range. We fished

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<v Speaker 1>the snazzy stuff, we fished cheap stuff, and we can

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<v Speaker 1>we can tell you which one you should get, Like

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't matter. I don't care if you're trolling your cast

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever. We probably have some some opinions, but damn it,

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<v Speaker 1>we got what do you what do you? What do

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<v Speaker 1>you got? How much can you spend? Like if I needed,

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<v Speaker 1>say a good cranking rod, I would write, dear Joe,

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<v Speaker 1>can you recommend a crank bait rod that could pull

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<v Speaker 1>double duties? Say as a late swim bait rod and

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<v Speaker 1>that we'll I'm gonna catch everything from big large mouth

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<v Speaker 1>to SCHOOLI stripers. I'm looking to spend around two bucks

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<v Speaker 1>because that's what I got see and i'd write back,

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<v Speaker 1>dear Miles, first, excellent question, thank you for including your budget.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd go with the thirteen Fishing Envy black two krunkenstein.

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<v Speaker 1>Matter of fact, I recently use mine to put the

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<v Speaker 1>screws to a bunch of ten and twelve pound stripers

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<v Speaker 1>on the Delaware River and it was fantastic. He texted

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<v Speaker 1>me photos the same day, just just to everybody knows,

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<v Speaker 1>because I wasn't. Yeah. Yeah, you'd also say that because

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<v Speaker 1>bent is officially brought to you by thirteen Fishing, a

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<v Speaker 1>fact about which we were very very proud, and like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I know that's this all sounds like a cheesy plug,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's actually valid. Joe's Joe's not making that up

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<v Speaker 1>about the stripers and and the crunk and steam earning

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<v Speaker 1>his keith. This season, he's been using that thing a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>I even used it a few times when I was

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<v Speaker 1>out there with him. Anyway, we love rods and reels.

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<v Speaker 1>Please check them out at thirteen Fishing dot com And

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<v Speaker 1>now that we've covered that, what's question number two? What's

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<v Speaker 1>your what's your second most fielded question that you wish

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<v Speaker 1>we're I get this a ton? Okay, get this a ton.

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<v Speaker 1>Me and my buds have two weeks off in September.

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<v Speaker 1>We're planning a fishing trip. Where should we go? Or

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes this ends with if you could pick one place

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<v Speaker 1>to go, where would it be? And of course my

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<v Speaker 1>answer is vana watt to for giant travallis, which isn't

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, it's not really a good answer for these

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<v Speaker 1>questions most of the time. But like once again, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>budget is really important here too, but it goes, it

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<v Speaker 1>goes far beyond that, like for starters, where where do

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<v Speaker 1>you live? Where are you from? Not only yeah, because

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<v Speaker 1>before you figure out what's gonna cost, you gotta know

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<v Speaker 1>how far you're going where? Yeah? Yeah, No, I I

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<v Speaker 1>get this one. I get this one all the time

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<v Speaker 1>to like, help help us out, help us out, a little,

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<v Speaker 1>help me, help me, help me help you. Are you driving?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you flying? Are you like do you want to

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<v Speaker 1>stay in a swank lodge? Are you car camping? Are

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<v Speaker 1>you backpacking? Are you like? We're cool with gem and

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<v Speaker 1>the whole crew of eight dudes into a Super eight motel.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you do you want to get a guy? Do

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<v Speaker 1>you want to get a guy the whole time, just

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<v Speaker 1>the first day or you just straight d I Y

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<v Speaker 1>like there there are so many elements of like pieces

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<v Speaker 1>of information you could provide that would get you a

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<v Speaker 1>better answer. Yeah, and quite often, I mean with stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like this, the first round of answers dictates the second.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like if you answered, ay, we're driving, then the

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<v Speaker 1>next part of the choose your own adventure is, well,

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<v Speaker 1>how far do you want to drive? You know, I

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<v Speaker 1>always asked do you want? How many days off do

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<v Speaker 1>you have? Exactly? Do you want quantity or quality? Is

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<v Speaker 1>this a trophy hunt? Are you trying to feel coolers? Like?

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, okay, you know, well I want to catch stripers,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm gonna recommend a different place if you want

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<v Speaker 1>them on fly than if you just want to soak

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<v Speaker 1>bait and drink beer and wait for a cow. So

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<v Speaker 1>this is what I'm again. I'm always happy to help

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<v Speaker 1>with this, but you can't just say I have two

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<v Speaker 1>weeks off, man, send me somewhere. Can't. It's not can't.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm worried. I feel like I feel like we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to come off as sounding snarky right now, and we

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<v Speaker 1>all know, but we're being We're being snarky for the

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<v Speaker 1>sake of entertainment, because that's why people partially listen to this,

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<v Speaker 1>just to be entertained. But this really is all about

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<v Speaker 1>asking good questions like, yes, don't ask what setup should

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<v Speaker 1>I buy? Or where should I go fish? Be specific,

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<v Speaker 1>like if you want a good answer, ask a good question.

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<v Speaker 1>And that goes for phishing questions. You could ask any

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<v Speaker 1>word to anyone through your local Chackel shop, or you're

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<v Speaker 1>with a guide or a fishing body who knows more

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<v Speaker 1>than you. Don't shortcut it with some kind of broad

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<v Speaker 1>generalization because you're too lazy to figure out the details

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<v Speaker 1>of what you need to know. Think about it, Ask

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<v Speaker 1>a detailed question. That's it. That's if you want to

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<v Speaker 1>get a lot out of it, you have to put

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<v Speaker 1>something into the crafting of the question. More specific you

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<v Speaker 1>are about what you want or what you want to do,

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<v Speaker 1>the faster and easier that anybody can help you, whether

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<v Speaker 1>it's us or someone else. And and we do want

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<v Speaker 1>to help, like we enjoy that, we love being helpful

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<v Speaker 1>when we can be. We really do. And I'll say

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<v Speaker 1>that like, we really try to stay on top of

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<v Speaker 1>answering everything and if you give me the information I

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<v Speaker 1>need to help you. People have written me back and

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<v Speaker 1>be like, oh my god, dude, you just wrote me

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<v Speaker 1>a novel. Like yeah, because if I'm if I'm into

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<v Speaker 1>your question, I'm a detail oriented person, so like I

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<v Speaker 1>will go all in, I'm more likely to avoid it

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<v Speaker 1>when I have to do too much work to get

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<v Speaker 1>to what you're really asking first. But we really do

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<v Speaker 1>love helping everybody. Um and um, you know who else

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<v Speaker 1>loves to help you. Our friends Sammy Gerardo, owner of

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<v Speaker 1>and Sun's Fly Shop and Franklin Lakes, New Jersey trout seas.

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<v Speaker 1>It is in full swing. Hatches are popping off. You

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<v Speaker 1>have questions, He's got answers, some of which he graciously

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<v Speaker 1>supplied for this week's Regional Fishing Report. Hey, everybody, how

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<v Speaker 1>he's doing. Sammy Jnado Jennado and Son's Fly Shop, Jesus

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<v Speaker 1>christ as Spring. Anything you want to be hatching is

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<v Speaker 1>hatching right now, so stop calling me. Just go fish

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<v Speaker 1>size sixteen. I don't care what it is, just put

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<v Speaker 1>it out there. That's all you need to do. I've

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<v Speaker 1>been getting a crapload of calls this week. I hung

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<v Speaker 1>up on most of them. So instead of a report,

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<v Speaker 1>he's the five questions I'm just sick of hearing. Question

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<v Speaker 1>number one, do you sell big No? We do not.

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<v Speaker 1>We do not sell lawn chairs either. Guess who does

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<v Speaker 1>Walmart post up title line to your toe? Take a

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<v Speaker 1>nap call today? I don't care, see you later. Question

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<v Speaker 1>number two? What color are they hitting on? Let me

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<v Speaker 1>ask you a question? What call you sweatpants? Great? Question

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<v Speaker 1>number three? What's the best time to go fishing? I

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't tell you. I closed in ten minutes. Question number four,

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<v Speaker 1>where should I go fishing? Answer? Under the power lines?

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<v Speaker 1>You know you're there when your cell phone don't work.

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<v Speaker 1>Question number five, Last and most least, I went what

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<v Speaker 1>you just told me to go? How come I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>catch nothing? Maybe because you bought your flies off some

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<v Speaker 1>toddler on Instagram was turning them out like Slurper's at

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<v Speaker 1>seven eleven. Maybe next time, assole support your local fly shop.

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<v Speaker 1>I E. Gennado and Sons fly Shop, Franklin Lakes, New Jersey.

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<v Speaker 1>Asked the right questions, you get the right answers. Spend

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<v Speaker 1>the right amount of money, you might get a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit more. The sweatpants thing was on point, man, I

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<v Speaker 1>just I gotta say totally, totally, that's accurate. Went in down,

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<v Speaker 1>you tie on a gray body, dry and call it done. Adams,

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<v Speaker 1>you covered them. I live and die. I live and

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<v Speaker 1>die by them, though I often off for white sweatpants

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<v Speaker 1>when I fish dries. Unless it's after labor day. Then

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<v Speaker 1>you can't wear them anymore. Hard hard to get the

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<v Speaker 1>fish slam off sweatpants, especially the white ones. Yeah, think

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<v Speaker 1>about thinking about your wordrop choice anyway. Speaking of sweatpants, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>which I don't fish in. They've been worn a time

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<v Speaker 1>or two by people who wound up featured on our

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<v Speaker 1>Awkward Moments and Angling segment. We've seen some sweaty sweatpants,

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<v Speaker 1>some soiled sweatpants. We've seen a lot, but not this week. No, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>very different. The dude in this photo that we're roasting

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<v Speaker 1>or perhaps exalting, went head to toe crisp Denim Chris Dude.

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<v Speaker 1>This dude is either awkward or just straight baller. And

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna let you decide for yourself. But I know

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<v Speaker 1>which way I'm leaning back a picture. This week's Awkward

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<v Speaker 1>Moments and Angling submission comes to us from listener Raise Abrawski. However,

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<v Speaker 1>it is not It is not Raise Abrowski in the photo.

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<v Speaker 1>In this photo is his Bud Skyler Hagen, And just

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<v Speaker 1>very quickly this leads to it's too good of a

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<v Speaker 1>spot to not drop an obligatory p s A. Remember,

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<v Speaker 1>we can't use photos of your friends and relatives unless

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<v Speaker 1>they give you permission to send them to us, and

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<v Speaker 1>in this case, Skyler gave Ray his blessing, and thank goodness,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you. This photo is both rad and like a

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<v Speaker 1>total mind bender, and we love it. It took us.

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<v Speaker 1>It took us some time to figure this one out.

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<v Speaker 1>Which our favorite ones, right, the ones that you get

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<v Speaker 1>right off the bat, they're just not as interesting. When

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<v Speaker 1>we first saw it, Joe and I both assumed it

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<v Speaker 1>was an old photo, like something taken in the mid

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<v Speaker 1>eighties range. And I'll say if it had been, it

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<v Speaker 1>would still qualify, because it's great, totally, totally, but the like,

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<v Speaker 1>the more you look at it, the photo quality just

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<v Speaker 1>didn't seem right. It didn't seem like an eighties era

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<v Speaker 1>printed photograph that had been digitized. It just seemed a

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<v Speaker 1>little too good. It looks like an eighties era image

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<v Speaker 1>judging by like everything that's in it, like all the

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<v Speaker 1>subject matter. But but if you really dig in, it's

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<v Speaker 1>clearly a newer digital photo. And and then we eventually

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<v Speaker 1>figured out that it was taken in and so we

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<v Speaker 1>just we had to go with it. We had to

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<v Speaker 1>get a full story. Yep, yep. So we're gonna dive

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<v Speaker 1>right in here. Okay, and maybe listen, maybe grabbing notepads,

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<v Speaker 1>you can keep track of all the elements were about

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<v Speaker 1>to rattle off. That makes Skyler awesome. Okay, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of elements. So this this shot was taken in

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<v Speaker 1>the dark. It's taken at night lit by a flash,

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<v Speaker 1>which again at a quick glance, somehow managed to like

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<v Speaker 1>nearly replicate that eighties photo graininess. Okays off, Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>So he's showing off a large mouth bass which maybe

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<v Speaker 1>weighs two pounds, and that's enough. That's it about the fish.

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<v Speaker 1>We need not say anything else about the fish, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>But he's got his spinning rod in his left hand

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<v Speaker 1>and the bass is angling from the line that he's

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<v Speaker 1>holding up in his right hand, and it's got a

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<v Speaker 1>big old black jitterbug hanging out of its mouth, old

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<v Speaker 1>school and right there nighttime jitterbugging Skyler is my people.

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<v Speaker 1>Not many of us out there doing that. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>not just that I gotta I gotta say, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>just any jitterbug, but a jointed jitterbug dude goes what's up?

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<v Speaker 1>Like extra extra points for the old school joint at jitterbug.

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<v Speaker 1>He's also wearing a full Canadian tuxedo. The whole deal.

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<v Speaker 1>Has got he's got. He's got the like the Wrangler

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<v Speaker 1>style jeans, you know, the ones. They're snug, but they're

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<v Speaker 1>broken in cowboys snug, not like hipster sky jean snug.

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<v Speaker 1>That there's a there's a definite difference between those two fits. Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>And he's up top when you move up from the

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<v Speaker 1>jeans up top, he's got a much letter stonewashed jean

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<v Speaker 1>jacket that there's also clearly been well worn and and

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<v Speaker 1>just fits him right. It's just it's there. It's a thing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's an extension of his body. But what ties this

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<v Speaker 1>look together? What sets this apart? Because you know, Kenyan

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<v Speaker 1>tuxed is good, some people wear it better than others.

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<v Speaker 1>This dude wears it exceptionally well. But he's got it

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<v Speaker 1>all tied together with a giant colt belt buckle. And

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<v Speaker 1>so we are all on the same page. I am

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<v Speaker 1>not talking about the Billy D Williams Cold forty five

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<v Speaker 1>malt liquor. No, we're talking about the pistol, the cold

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<v Speaker 1>forty Yeah, just big old pistol right there, it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's great. Okay. Now moving moving up the tour, So

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<v Speaker 1>look closely at the front pocket of that badass Jeane

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<v Speaker 1>jacket and you'll see a freaking box of black and

0:16:44.880 --> 0:16:48.800
<v Speaker 1>miles protruding out ever so slightly. And I've just gotta

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<v Speaker 1>throw a shout real quick. My father's favorite fishing smokes

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<v Speaker 1>for the record, black and that's cool. That's cool. I

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<v Speaker 1>was more of a backwoods guy, but he liked those two.

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<v Speaker 1>Those were the two options. Yeah, it's been a while,

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<v Speaker 1>but both good. Anyway, Moving up to Skyler's face, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you just can't miss how it's framed by what appeared

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<v Speaker 1>to be a pair of vintage eighties glasses. Okay, and

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<v Speaker 1>the best way I can describe them, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, It's like their aviator shaped but they have

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<v Speaker 1>really thick frames, and these are are glasses glasses, not sunglasses, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And like Mike, I swear my grandpap had those glasses

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<v Speaker 1>glasses just like that when I was a little kid,

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<v Speaker 1>and he'd keep them in one of those glasses protectors

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<v Speaker 1>that you'd stick in your front pocket. Right. Um, they're

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<v Speaker 1>like a much more like masculine version of glasses Dustin

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<v Speaker 1>Hoffman worn in Tutsie. Um. And also when I look

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<v Speaker 1>at at Skyler's face, Um, a particular actor comes to mind,

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<v Speaker 1>and I want to see how good you are, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>because we're gonna we're gonna dig deep here. To me,

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<v Speaker 1>what I see right away is Billy's abka. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>know who Billy's abka is? No, I have no idea,

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<v Speaker 1>so you don't know him by name, right, But Billy's

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<v Speaker 1>a is the actor that played Johnny in The Karate Kid.

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<v Speaker 1>I when you said that, I was like, I was thinking,

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<v Speaker 1>it looks like Cobra Kai Johnny. I don't know the

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<v Speaker 1>actor's name, but that's exactly you didn't know. You didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know his name, But Cobra Kai Johnny also in not

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<v Speaker 1>just one of the guys, one of my favorite eighties actors,

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<v Speaker 1>A great movie just one of the guys good. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>when I was like, oh, it looks like Johnny, it

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<v Speaker 1>does it does? Uh? That paints it. I mean you

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<v Speaker 1>can see. I think you guys are getting getting a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good image of what we're talking about. But best

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<v Speaker 1>of all, on top of Skyler's uh shaggy blonde mop,

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<v Speaker 1>He's got this trucker hat. But I've definitely never seen

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<v Speaker 1>before and it's hard to make out in the photo,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was. It was in the email, and it

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<v Speaker 1>says I'd rather be a roper than a doper. I

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<v Speaker 1>went the hat. I don't know where that. We didn't

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<v Speaker 1>We couldn't figure out where the phrase originated, but it

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<v Speaker 1>is included in the lyrics of Ray Willie Hubbard's up

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<v Speaker 1>against the Wall redneck mother, Damn the mother. I'm gonna say,

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<v Speaker 1>for the record, I have plenty of friends who can

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<v Speaker 1>prove that the two are not mutually exclusive. But that's

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<v Speaker 1>another story. Anyway, what's going on here? What is going

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<v Speaker 1>on with Skyler? Is this? Is this a costume? Is

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<v Speaker 1>this like or is this dude just that unique? Is

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<v Speaker 1>he that much himself? Well, according to Ray, this is

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<v Speaker 1>just Skyler. Ray rode to us and said Skylar works

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<v Speaker 1>for John Dear, drives classic cars, and listens to hair

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<v Speaker 1>metal loud. He gave me permission to send this photo.

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<v Speaker 1>I asked if there were any notable points of interest

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<v Speaker 1>from the night it was taken. He said, quote, we

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<v Speaker 1>just listened to a bunch of rat and kicks and

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<v Speaker 1>drank a lot of old style, caught a couple of fish.

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<v Speaker 1>End quote. It's fascinating, isn't It's like a fascinating guy. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>he belongs in the outsiders or something. I can't. I

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<v Speaker 1>can't quite place it. But you dug even deeper on

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<v Speaker 1>the day. Of course I did, Of course I did.

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<v Speaker 1>I just just for ships. I googled Skylar and found

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of info about him on the website

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<v Speaker 1>of the University of Wisconsin Madison's College of Engineering. Apparently

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<v Speaker 1>he want to fairly prestigious ward in grad school here

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<v Speaker 1>if you d major award he Skyler completed his master's

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<v Speaker 1>degree in mechanical engineering sixte His research was aimed at

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<v Speaker 1>developing a compact system that can transfer electrical energy wirelessly

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<v Speaker 1>across a rotating air gap between a stationary power source

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<v Speaker 1>and a rotating electrical load. Totally got that. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>he did too. He's a volunteer firefighter with two departments.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the president of the u W Madison's Ham Radio Hub,

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<v Speaker 1>and his hobbies include restoring antique electronics and ice fishing.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, he's he's just so American. I hate

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<v Speaker 1>I hate to even call this photo awkward anymore, Dude, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>just for this movie, I want to change the name

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<v Speaker 1>of the segment to Photos of our Heroes because it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, it's very perplexing. But I love it. I

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<v Speaker 1>love Skyl, I love all the things. Ray. Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for sending this. Skyler. Don't ever change. Okay, you just

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<v Speaker 1>keep cranking the rat and chugging old style and designing

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<v Speaker 1>technology that will better our society. Okay, if you guys,

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<v Speaker 1>God bless you. Guys have God bless you. If you

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<v Speaker 1>guys have any awkward fishing photos to share that maybe

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<v Speaker 1>you'd like for us to consider roasting or celebrating. I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like we've opened a new chapter here. We we've

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<v Speaker 1>celebrated more than roast of this time. Please send them

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<v Speaker 1>to Bent at the meat eater dot com. I want

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<v Speaker 1>a party with Tyler. Dude. The fact that he is,

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<v Speaker 1>that he is rocking this look that he has this

0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:06.480
<v Speaker 1>stease to use one of your favorite words. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>like a super smart dude, not some country bumpkin. It

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<v Speaker 1>just it just it makes him such a badass. He's

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<v Speaker 1>a badass. You. I'm the guy he's gonna put a

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<v Speaker 1>boot up your ass if you don't tell me where

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<v Speaker 1>Shelley is he? Tyler, you need this guy. He's my boyfriend. Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>There's there's a huge difference between hipsters that like paid

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<v Speaker 1>top dollar for attire that in soho that like so

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<v Speaker 1>it fuels shabby chic, and and the dude who wears

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<v Speaker 1>a cult forty five belt buckle that he got from

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<v Speaker 1>his grandfather. We didn't cover that, but it's a hand

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<v Speaker 1>me down from his grandfather and smokes black and yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>actually hand me down from his grandfather and smokes black

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<v Speaker 1>and miles while redesigning electronics for his tractor. Get out

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<v Speaker 1>of here, yep, different world, just do it. Just get

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<v Speaker 1>out of here, Yeah, get out of here. I may

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<v Speaker 1>not know shit about tractors or any other motorized vehicles

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<v Speaker 1>or devices, I admit that, but I am a force

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<v Speaker 1>to reckon with when it comes to winning the championship

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<v Speaker 1>belt buckle in the weekly fish competition we call fish news.

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<v Speaker 1>Fish News. That escalated quickly, So here's a super fun

0:23:16.600 --> 0:23:19.119
<v Speaker 1>shout out to kick things off. A lot of you

0:23:19.160 --> 0:23:22.320
<v Speaker 1>have been reaching out asking us who the hell one

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<v Speaker 1>the big b Side fishing giveaway, you know, the one

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<v Speaker 1>where you got every single thirteen rod and really used

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<v Speaker 1>in season one of the show. And we apologize for

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<v Speaker 1>that announcement taking so long, but please understand that Miles

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<v Speaker 1>and I are not the ones that like stick our

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<v Speaker 1>hands in the baseball cap and and pull out the

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<v Speaker 1>name on a tiny folded piece of paper. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>our job, and honestly, at least I assume that's how

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<v Speaker 1>it's done by whoever does. I'm certain that it's not

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<v Speaker 1>like computer generator algorithmic. I'm certain there's a hat and

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<v Speaker 1>folded paper. For sure, you got an intern writing all

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<v Speaker 1>the names that thing exactly. The truth is all that

0:23:58.920 --> 0:24:01.680
<v Speaker 1>stuff the contest have a ways that that's way above

0:24:01.680 --> 0:24:04.920
<v Speaker 1>our heads. That's that's handled elsewhere other departments. I think,

0:24:04.960 --> 0:24:08.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. So it's the truth is it takes

0:24:08.000 --> 0:24:10.600
<v Speaker 1>a while for us to find out who wins these things.

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<v Speaker 1>But just like we were all hoping, like we said,

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<v Speaker 1>we were hoping a bed listener brought home the sweet,

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<v Speaker 1>sweet taste of victory. So huge congratulations go out to

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<v Speaker 1>Dylan Antillus antilus something like that. And and not only

0:24:29.040 --> 0:24:31.320
<v Speaker 1>am I happy that this dude one because he's a listener,

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<v Speaker 1>his backstory and the way that this has all coming together,

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<v Speaker 1>it could not be more timely or appropriate considering what

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<v Speaker 1>we were talking about in in last week's episode of

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<v Speaker 1>the show. Yeah right, So last week's show was fly focused,

0:24:46.720 --> 0:24:49.400
<v Speaker 1>but Miles and I both made the point that it's

0:24:49.480 --> 0:24:54.479
<v Speaker 1>okay to take spinning gear when you fly fish. That's okay.

0:24:54.600 --> 0:24:56.239
<v Speaker 1>You're not going to get in trouble. We do it

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<v Speaker 1>all the time. But the real theme of that episode

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<v Speaker 1>was to assuage any trepidation conventional anglers might have about

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<v Speaker 1>getting in fly fishing right. And then along comes Dylan.

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<v Speaker 1>And when Dylan hit me up upon hearing the news

0:25:09.640 --> 0:25:11.920
<v Speaker 1>that he wont he was like, yeah, I'm a hardcore

0:25:11.960 --> 0:25:14.200
<v Speaker 1>flag guy, but wouldn't you know it, I was recently

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about buying some conventional gear, so the timing couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>be which he should do because it's all about being

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<v Speaker 1>a well rounded angler. And and Dilan Dillon was saying

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<v Speaker 1>that he hasn't owned a spinning rod or a convention

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<v Speaker 1>rod of any kind of like ten years some of

0:25:29.240 --> 0:25:32.239
<v Speaker 1>his backstock, but he's already gotten his hands on some

0:25:32.320 --> 0:25:34.480
<v Speaker 1>of that thirteen gear. And so just the other day

0:25:34.760 --> 0:25:37.040
<v Speaker 1>he was out fishing on Buddy's canoe and he wanted

0:25:37.080 --> 0:25:39.520
<v Speaker 1>to throw google bugs with his fly rod, but it

0:25:39.600 --> 0:25:42.359
<v Speaker 1>was blowing I don't know, thirty or something. It was

0:25:42.400 --> 0:25:46.199
<v Speaker 1>too windy. So he just happened to have all this

0:25:46.280 --> 0:25:49.000
<v Speaker 1>new conventional gear. He busted that out through on a

0:25:49.080 --> 0:25:52.080
<v Speaker 1>hula popper and started trashing large mouse, which is exactly

0:25:52.080 --> 0:25:54.639
<v Speaker 1>what we're talking about. And there you go. That's the

0:25:54.840 --> 0:25:57.919
<v Speaker 1>that's the real life, live version of our p s

0:25:57.960 --> 0:26:02.360
<v Speaker 1>A right there, that story defined bent right like, that's

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<v Speaker 1>our whole our whole stick. It's just fishing, man, It's

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<v Speaker 1>all good no matter how you catch them. So that's perfect. Yes,

0:26:08.359 --> 0:26:12.840
<v Speaker 1>and and congratulations again, Dylan, send us some photos. Uh,

0:26:13.080 --> 0:26:15.359
<v Speaker 1>we want to see what you're getting. And now I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's time we should we should move on with

0:26:17.320 --> 0:26:22.400
<v Speaker 1>with our contest, Our own contest, Our weekly contest. Remember,

0:26:22.520 --> 0:26:25.520
<v Speaker 1>Joe and I do not know which news stories the

0:26:25.560 --> 0:26:28.320
<v Speaker 1>other guys bringing to the table. And at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of all of this, our audio engineer, Phil, the Deacon

0:26:32.840 --> 0:26:37.560
<v Speaker 1>of our digital water world, will pass judgment upon both

0:26:37.560 --> 0:26:39.760
<v Speaker 1>of us. He will, he will. I believe it's my

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<v Speaker 1>lead off this week or you're you're up, buddy, and

0:26:41.960 --> 0:26:44.679
<v Speaker 1>what do you got? Okay, alright, so here we go.

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<v Speaker 1>I first caught win this story on Wire to Fish,

0:26:48.800 --> 0:26:52.720
<v Speaker 1>but uh, it's made the round since, including right over

0:26:52.760 --> 0:26:55.080
<v Speaker 1>there to for the wind dot Com, which we all

0:26:55.119 --> 0:26:58.480
<v Speaker 1>know is one of my favorite news sources. Because that

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<v Speaker 1>I hope this is the story that I think it is.

0:27:01.160 --> 0:27:04.000
<v Speaker 1>It is because we can't not write um, so that's

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<v Speaker 1>where I'm pulling from. For the wind dot Com, headline

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<v Speaker 1>of this one is Texas Fisherman's mean mouth bass is

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<v Speaker 1>a world record meanmouth bass. You say, what is that? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>here's how undialed I am in the bass world. I'd

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<v Speaker 1>never heard the term before this, but it is a

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<v Speaker 1>true hybrid between a small mouth bass and a large

0:27:24.520 --> 0:27:27.480
<v Speaker 1>mouth bass. I don't know about you, I never knew

0:27:27.520 --> 0:27:30.640
<v Speaker 1>such a thing existed, Like I'd never heard the term um,

0:27:30.640 --> 0:27:33.919
<v Speaker 1>and I certainly didn't know that this occurred enough to

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<v Speaker 1>have a name like meanmouth. But more on that later.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll do some mean mouth. I'm sorry, you've already obviously

0:27:40.560 --> 0:27:43.160
<v Speaker 1>researched this. I thought it was a hybrid with a

0:27:43.240 --> 0:27:46.840
<v Speaker 1>spot and a small mouth, but I could be wrong

0:27:46.880 --> 0:27:49.159
<v Speaker 1>about that. Apparently this is your story, so I'm not

0:27:49.160 --> 0:27:51.520
<v Speaker 1>trying to I'm not trying to mess you up. So

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<v Speaker 1>I think a mean mouth. It works both ways. You

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<v Speaker 1>can't have a hybrid between a small mouth and a spot.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's no spot in the lake where the gent

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<v Speaker 1>and this story is fishing. There's small amounts in large mouths.

0:28:04.880 --> 0:28:08.400
<v Speaker 1>So as I understand it, it it works both ways. Right

0:28:08.560 --> 0:28:11.960
<v Speaker 1>If I'm wrong about that some of you out there,

0:28:12.040 --> 0:28:14.359
<v Speaker 1>I know there's a bassett out there who's like tearing

0:28:14.600 --> 0:28:18.680
<v Speaker 1>his or her hair out until let us know, right, okay,

0:28:18.720 --> 0:28:20.560
<v Speaker 1>because I'm just look, all I have to go on

0:28:20.640 --> 0:28:22.360
<v Speaker 1>here is what's on for the wind, which is not

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<v Speaker 1>much fair enough. Don't ask me questions that the Smithsonian

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<v Speaker 1>should answer or something. Okay, it's just on the right anyway.

0:28:31.840 --> 0:28:34.720
<v Speaker 1>So here's what happened. Whyatt Franken's was fishing the o

0:28:35.040 --> 0:28:37.359
<v Speaker 1>h Ivy Reservoir in Texas. This is way back in

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<v Speaker 1>March when he hooked this seven pounds nine ounce fish,

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<v Speaker 1>and for those of you curious, all your bass heads

0:28:43.240 --> 0:28:45.600
<v Speaker 1>that ate a mega bass swim bait. And upon landing

0:28:45.600 --> 0:28:49.360
<v Speaker 1>the fish, Franken's was certain that what he had was

0:28:49.400 --> 0:28:53.360
<v Speaker 1>a new lake record small mouth and that's what prompted

0:28:53.440 --> 0:28:58.200
<v Speaker 1>him to have the fish weighed. And according to the story, um,

0:28:58.280 --> 0:29:02.360
<v Speaker 1>while it was being weighed, some onlookers at wherever this

0:29:02.480 --> 0:29:05.400
<v Speaker 1>was tackle shop or I who knows uh, suggested that

0:29:05.440 --> 0:29:09.320
<v Speaker 1>it might be a hybrid. So Franken's sent scale samples

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<v Speaker 1>into Texas parks and wildlife and wouldn't you know it,

0:29:12.440 --> 0:29:16.320
<v Speaker 1>it's a hybrid. Now this is making bigger news recently

0:29:16.960 --> 0:29:20.360
<v Speaker 1>because Franken's just got final certification from the i g

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<v Speaker 1>f A that it is, in fact the world record

0:29:24.320 --> 0:29:26.800
<v Speaker 1>mean mouth bass. So it's state record, lake record and

0:29:27.520 --> 0:29:30.560
<v Speaker 1>world record right now now looking at right, yeah, it's pretty.

0:29:30.560 --> 0:29:33.480
<v Speaker 1>It's cool. So now looking at the photo, if I

0:29:33.680 --> 0:29:36.680
<v Speaker 1>caught that, I'd have called it a pure small mouth

0:29:36.720 --> 0:29:38.160
<v Speaker 1>all day. I'm sure a lot of people are wondering

0:29:38.200 --> 0:29:41.240
<v Speaker 1>what these things look like and other than to my

0:29:41.480 --> 0:29:44.400
<v Speaker 1>at least like some slight large amount style patterning on

0:29:44.400 --> 0:29:47.760
<v Speaker 1>the flanks, if I caught that, it probably wouldn't have

0:29:47.800 --> 0:29:50.480
<v Speaker 1>crossed my mind. It looks way more small mouth to me.

0:29:50.560 --> 0:29:53.200
<v Speaker 1>But interestingly so, here's a little history at the term

0:29:53.280 --> 0:29:56.160
<v Speaker 1>mean mouth. It's been around. It was coined in the

0:29:56.280 --> 0:30:00.960
<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixties when Dr William Childer's his colleagues at the

0:30:00.960 --> 0:30:05.760
<v Speaker 1>Illinois Natural History Survey began studies on sunfish family hybrids.

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<v Speaker 1>And listen to this right for the wind pulled a

0:30:08.320 --> 0:30:10.400
<v Speaker 1>quote from in Fisherman from an old story, and here's

0:30:10.400 --> 0:30:14.280
<v Speaker 1>what it says. The researchers noted that different black bass

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<v Speaker 1>species didn't hybridize when stockton ponds with members of another species.

0:30:18.520 --> 0:30:21.360
<v Speaker 1>I eat all males of one species with all females

0:30:21.440 --> 0:30:25.040
<v Speaker 1>of another, but fertilizing large mouth eggs with small mouth

0:30:25.080 --> 0:30:30.000
<v Speaker 1>sperm produced viable offspring that reproduced among themselves and with

0:30:30.080 --> 0:30:34.480
<v Speaker 1>both parental species. Right gets better. The term mean mouth

0:30:34.600 --> 0:30:38.440
<v Speaker 1>bass was born when Childers observed a school of large

0:30:38.480 --> 0:30:43.200
<v Speaker 1>mouth small mouths attacking a female swimmer. There's a quote

0:30:43.240 --> 0:30:45.440
<v Speaker 1>says the bass leap from the water and struck her

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<v Speaker 1>on the head and chest and drove her from the pond.

0:30:49.880 --> 0:30:54.200
<v Speaker 1>On another occasion, he watched mean mouths attack a dog

0:30:54.680 --> 0:30:57.480
<v Speaker 1>that ventured in his shallow water. Yeah, this is from

0:30:57.520 --> 0:31:00.640
<v Speaker 1>an old in Fisherman story. This is what they're saying

0:31:00.760 --> 0:31:07.000
<v Speaker 1>about the mean mouths so exactly. Man Like, I've never

0:31:07.040 --> 0:31:09.640
<v Speaker 1>heard of any of this, right, So just based on that,

0:31:09.720 --> 0:31:11.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm very in on mean mouth bass And I was

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<v Speaker 1>trying to find info on whether there's a place where

0:31:14.800 --> 0:31:17.120
<v Speaker 1>they occur, you know, more frequently, but I kind of

0:31:17.160 --> 0:31:19.760
<v Speaker 1>drew a blank there. It seems like the south and

0:31:19.840 --> 0:31:22.640
<v Speaker 1>southeast might have more, but it's it's still pretty rare.

0:31:22.680 --> 0:31:26.080
<v Speaker 1>And again, frankly, all the pictures I've seen, you know,

0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:28.760
<v Speaker 1>I did the Google image church, they all look like

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<v Speaker 1>a smalley to me, you know, like I may have

0:31:31.200 --> 0:31:33.800
<v Speaker 1>caught twenty already, who knows. I think the variance is

0:31:33.840 --> 0:31:36.040
<v Speaker 1>so subtle in most cases that it would slip by

0:31:36.120 --> 0:31:38.920
<v Speaker 1>most people. Um. I did see a few that had

0:31:38.960 --> 0:31:42.400
<v Speaker 1>like a belly so huge, they just looked more in

0:31:42.520 --> 0:31:44.880
<v Speaker 1>large mouth shape. But for the most part, I think

0:31:44.920 --> 0:31:48.240
<v Speaker 1>it's a it's a very tricky I d um. But hey, like,

0:31:48.320 --> 0:31:50.680
<v Speaker 1>look they sound vicious. I have one quick I d

0:31:50.880 --> 0:31:53.280
<v Speaker 1>question that you may or it may not know. Um.

0:31:53.320 --> 0:31:55.239
<v Speaker 1>One of the ways to tell difference between those two

0:31:55.280 --> 0:31:57.800
<v Speaker 1>is the dorsal fin right, and and whether they have

0:31:57.840 --> 0:32:00.719
<v Speaker 1>a shallow or a deep notch in that dorsal fin

0:32:01.360 --> 0:32:04.080
<v Speaker 1>Where's where's the mean mouth in in the dorsal notching?

0:32:05.480 --> 0:32:07.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, Myles, I'll have to get back to you.

0:32:07.320 --> 0:32:11.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, why are you doing this to me? It

0:32:11.120 --> 0:32:12.959
<v Speaker 1>is a valid question, But why are you doing this

0:32:13.040 --> 0:32:15.720
<v Speaker 1>to me? Because I'm curious you think you think for

0:32:15.880 --> 0:32:18.880
<v Speaker 1>the wind went into that much detail. Okay, I I

0:32:18.960 --> 0:32:21.040
<v Speaker 1>don't know. I will follow up on that. I feel

0:32:21.080 --> 0:32:27.719
<v Speaker 1>I feel small right now, do your research, I know.

0:32:28.000 --> 0:32:30.040
<v Speaker 1>Do you like, all of a sudden, I'm in, like

0:32:30.120 --> 0:32:33.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, freshman bio in college again, like did you

0:32:33.080 --> 0:32:37.240
<v Speaker 1>read the thing? And I'm like, no, I didn't actually, Okay,

0:32:37.280 --> 0:32:42.280
<v Speaker 1>I was playing guitars and drinking slurpees. Sound of a bit, uh,

0:32:42.440 --> 0:32:45.680
<v Speaker 1>But anyway, Look, they sound vicious and they sound cool,

0:32:46.440 --> 0:32:48.120
<v Speaker 1>which is great because that, by the way, I see

0:32:48.240 --> 0:32:50.920
<v Speaker 1>that hybridization could have easily produced like a small mouth

0:32:51.000 --> 0:32:54.040
<v Speaker 1>that didn't really fight, or like a large mouth wouldn't

0:32:54.080 --> 0:32:56.120
<v Speaker 1>eat pretty much anything you dropped in front of it.

0:32:56.280 --> 0:32:59.760
<v Speaker 1>So it just it sounds like a win all around. Yeah,

0:33:00.040 --> 0:33:02.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm all in. I want to know more about the

0:33:02.040 --> 0:33:04.680
<v Speaker 1>mean mouth, so I have burning questions that the joke

0:33:04.840 --> 0:33:08.360
<v Speaker 1>clearly can't answer it, so hopefully hopefully someone out there,

0:33:09.560 --> 0:33:14.200
<v Speaker 1>hopefully someone out there will follow up. Uh I this this,

0:33:14.600 --> 0:33:17.800
<v Speaker 1>There is no clear connection between meanmouth and what I

0:33:17.840 --> 0:33:19.760
<v Speaker 1>want to talk about. First, I gotta say I'm I

0:33:19.800 --> 0:33:24.000
<v Speaker 1>will say that my stories are thematic in that. Here's

0:33:24.000 --> 0:33:27.280
<v Speaker 1>what I'll say. I'm going very different from you, because

0:33:27.400 --> 0:33:30.720
<v Speaker 1>I can hardly think of anything more American than a

0:33:30.760 --> 0:33:35.800
<v Speaker 1>mean mouth bass like that. That just feels so American.

0:33:35.880 --> 0:33:40.400
<v Speaker 1>That should be our national fish. Not yeah, it absolutely should.

0:33:40.600 --> 0:33:42.760
<v Speaker 1>And and the transition I have into what I'm gonna

0:33:42.760 --> 0:33:44.560
<v Speaker 1>talk about is that I'm going to the opposite direction.

0:33:44.880 --> 0:33:47.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going American at all in any of the

0:33:47.520 --> 0:33:51.040
<v Speaker 1>stories I'm covering. I'm going I'm going far afield. So

0:33:51.080 --> 0:33:54.280
<v Speaker 1>if you know anything about the Netherlands, you probably know

0:33:54.360 --> 0:33:56.760
<v Speaker 1>or you hopefully know, that their geniuses when it comes

0:33:56.800 --> 0:34:00.680
<v Speaker 1>to managing water. A full third of that country's land

0:34:00.680 --> 0:34:04.560
<v Speaker 1>mass sits below sea level and and two thirds of

0:34:04.560 --> 0:34:09.840
<v Speaker 1>it is floodplain. So the Dutch have been actively working

0:34:09.880 --> 0:34:14.400
<v Speaker 1>on ways to reclaim land and mitigate floods since the century.

0:34:15.400 --> 0:34:18.040
<v Speaker 1>Part of that part of that water management strategy is

0:34:18.160 --> 0:34:21.319
<v Speaker 1>the use and maintenance of canals and dams and locks, right,

0:34:21.320 --> 0:34:23.840
<v Speaker 1>because Amsterdam is super famous for all of its canals,

0:34:24.000 --> 0:34:26.399
<v Speaker 1>but it's not the only city in the country that's

0:34:26.400 --> 0:34:29.200
<v Speaker 1>got water running all through it. That's that's kind of everywhere,

0:34:29.600 --> 0:34:34.239
<v Speaker 1>and nearby Utrics canals are just as impressive. And and

0:34:34.280 --> 0:34:37.640
<v Speaker 1>though man made, have served to connect multiple river systems

0:34:37.640 --> 0:34:41.640
<v Speaker 1>for thousands of years, and generally all these canals are

0:34:41.840 --> 0:34:47.160
<v Speaker 1>thought of in pretty anthropocentric ways. They're like tools that

0:34:47.360 --> 0:34:50.279
<v Speaker 1>people use keep water and checked and and and facilitate

0:34:50.360 --> 0:34:54.640
<v Speaker 1>boat passage. But though they're man made in urban they

0:34:54.680 --> 0:34:59.240
<v Speaker 1>are functioning aquatic ecosystems. Right. So during the summer months

0:34:59.239 --> 0:35:01.480
<v Speaker 1>the locks get and regularly because of all the boat traffic,

0:35:01.800 --> 0:35:04.200
<v Speaker 1>and when they do, it's not just boats, but they're

0:35:04.200 --> 0:35:08.239
<v Speaker 1>also fish that are taking advantage of passing through. But

0:35:08.360 --> 0:35:11.520
<v Speaker 1>during the winter, with a few boats moving, the locks

0:35:11.560 --> 0:35:15.000
<v Speaker 1>can stay closed for extended periods of time. The last year,

0:35:15.400 --> 0:35:18.239
<v Speaker 1>a Dutch ecologist was working on a project on the

0:35:18.320 --> 0:35:23.719
<v Speaker 1>Utrich Canals and and noticed high concentrations of fish stacking

0:35:23.800 --> 0:35:27.680
<v Speaker 1>up at one particular lock, and the fish were like

0:35:27.920 --> 0:35:30.680
<v Speaker 1>waiting there, like okay, when we when this is gonna open?

0:35:30.719 --> 0:35:33.040
<v Speaker 1>When we could pass through, not knowing that it wasn't

0:35:33.080 --> 0:35:34.880
<v Speaker 1>gonna happen like they're gonna be there for a while,

0:35:35.320 --> 0:35:37.960
<v Speaker 1>and as a result, the fish were getting exhausted and

0:35:38.000 --> 0:35:40.319
<v Speaker 1>then they were getting easily picked off by birds who

0:35:40.320 --> 0:35:45.719
<v Speaker 1>were figuring out easy meals. Right, So this ecologist explained

0:35:45.760 --> 0:35:49.200
<v Speaker 1>the situation to the lock manager who was responsible for

0:35:49.239 --> 0:35:51.480
<v Speaker 1>that lock, and the guy said, well, I want to

0:35:51.520 --> 0:35:53.880
<v Speaker 1>open the door for the fish. For me, it's no problem.

0:35:53.920 --> 0:35:56.920
<v Speaker 1>I lived nearby, but I have to know when exactly

0:35:56.920 --> 0:35:58.680
<v Speaker 1>those fish are there, so I know when I have

0:35:58.760 --> 0:36:03.200
<v Speaker 1>to open the door. So the ecologist partnered with the

0:36:03.239 --> 0:36:05.719
<v Speaker 1>local water board to come up with a solution. They

0:36:05.760 --> 0:36:09.000
<v Speaker 1>installed an underwater camera at the lock and set up

0:36:09.120 --> 0:36:14.240
<v Speaker 1>a website to live stream the camera feed. They're hope.

0:36:14.480 --> 0:36:17.000
<v Speaker 1>They were hoping that a few locals would check the

0:36:17.040 --> 0:36:19.520
<v Speaker 1>live stream from time to time and if they saw

0:36:19.600 --> 0:36:22.399
<v Speaker 1>fish waiting at the lock, they'd click a button, which

0:36:22.400 --> 0:36:25.520
<v Speaker 1>they called a doorbell that would alert the lock manager

0:36:25.719 --> 0:36:28.640
<v Speaker 1>so you could go and open it up. So that's

0:36:28.680 --> 0:36:33.520
<v Speaker 1>they're hoping. Within two weeks, seven hundred and thirty five

0:36:33.600 --> 0:36:36.960
<v Speaker 1>thousand people from all over the world had visited the

0:36:37.000 --> 0:36:41.439
<v Speaker 1>live stream and the door was upset. The doorbell had

0:36:41.520 --> 0:36:48.440
<v Speaker 1>been rung thirty two thousand times, and I'm just that

0:36:48.560 --> 0:36:51.840
<v Speaker 1>dude had to immediately regret his decision to participate in

0:36:51.880 --> 0:36:54.680
<v Speaker 1>this right, like, yeah, all of a sudden, he's this

0:36:54.719 --> 0:36:57.120
<v Speaker 1>whole monitor, He's the sole monitor of the live stream.

0:36:57.120 --> 0:36:58.279
<v Speaker 1>Can He's like, I got it, I got it, I

0:36:58.320 --> 0:37:01.200
<v Speaker 1>got it. I'll look, I'll look. Okay, I get annoyed

0:37:01.239 --> 0:37:04.080
<v Speaker 1>when my phone dings at me more than like four

0:37:04.120 --> 0:37:07.480
<v Speaker 1>times a day. This guy was getting pained over two

0:37:07.760 --> 0:37:11.560
<v Speaker 1>thousand times a day from strangers all over the world, like, hey, dude,

0:37:11.600 --> 0:37:13.719
<v Speaker 1>some fish want to get in here. Dude, he dude,

0:37:13.800 --> 0:37:17.440
<v Speaker 1>go open That would be so awful, um and so

0:37:17.480 --> 0:37:20.960
<v Speaker 1>pretty quickly, like they just switched over to a system

0:37:20.960 --> 0:37:23.919
<v Speaker 1>where he would open the locks at regular intervals every

0:37:23.960 --> 0:37:27.160
<v Speaker 1>day and got rid of the doorbell bugging him. And

0:37:27.200 --> 0:37:28.880
<v Speaker 1>you could look at the story and think, what a

0:37:28.880 --> 0:37:31.040
<v Speaker 1>bunch of idiots, right, Like they could have just they

0:37:31.080 --> 0:37:32.960
<v Speaker 1>could have just done that in the first places, had

0:37:32.960 --> 0:37:34.759
<v Speaker 1>the guy opened up the locks three times a day

0:37:34.800 --> 0:37:37.520
<v Speaker 1>and and problem solved. Instead, they wasted all this time

0:37:37.560 --> 0:37:39.360
<v Speaker 1>and then annoyed the hell out of him for no

0:37:39.440 --> 0:37:43.399
<v Speaker 1>good reason. But I'm guessing that this worked out far

0:37:43.480 --> 0:37:46.279
<v Speaker 1>better than the ecologist could have ever hoped. Right, if

0:37:46.320 --> 0:37:48.319
<v Speaker 1>he had just quietly struck a deal with the lock

0:37:48.400 --> 0:37:50.640
<v Speaker 1>manager to open the gates a few times a day

0:37:51.160 --> 0:37:54.080
<v Speaker 1>and let the fish through, the problem would be solved

0:37:54.080 --> 0:37:57.760
<v Speaker 1>for those fish at that spot in that one canal.

0:37:58.120 --> 0:38:01.239
<v Speaker 1>But that's it, And instead he created a system that

0:38:01.239 --> 0:38:04.000
<v Speaker 1>allowed people from all over the world to interact with

0:38:04.040 --> 0:38:07.359
<v Speaker 1>the fish that he cares about in these Dutch canals. Right,

0:38:07.719 --> 0:38:10.480
<v Speaker 1>all these people are now feeling like they're personally helping

0:38:10.560 --> 0:38:14.719
<v Speaker 1>these fish get past a barrier, and in doing that,

0:38:14.840 --> 0:38:17.520
<v Speaker 1>he's he's raised a bunch of awareness not just about

0:38:17.560 --> 0:38:22.759
<v Speaker 1>the aquatic ecology of urban Dutch waterways, but urban waterways everywhere,

0:38:23.160 --> 0:38:27.600
<v Speaker 1>and that's a huge wind. Right. Additionally, the camera allowed

0:38:27.640 --> 0:38:31.160
<v Speaker 1>him to collect data on the specific fish species moving

0:38:31.400 --> 0:38:35.319
<v Speaker 1>through the canal and confirmed that it's an important migration route. Right.

0:38:35.440 --> 0:38:41.080
<v Speaker 1>The cameras captured various different species, including endangered European eels

0:38:41.120 --> 0:38:43.600
<v Speaker 1>that we're using the canals as part of their catagermus spotting.

0:38:45.600 --> 0:38:47.680
<v Speaker 1>So with with with the summer boating season full swing,

0:38:47.719 --> 0:38:49.640
<v Speaker 1>the locks are now opening regularly and the doorbell has

0:38:49.640 --> 0:38:53.680
<v Speaker 1>been shut down. But there municipality has confirmed that it

0:38:53.719 --> 0:38:56.680
<v Speaker 1>will be back in operation next winner, but hopefully not

0:38:56.800 --> 0:39:06.640
<v Speaker 1>actually painting that poor poor luck manage anymore. I'll tell

0:39:06.640 --> 0:39:09.600
<v Speaker 1>you what that man. I am not at all surprised

0:39:09.640 --> 0:39:14.520
<v Speaker 1>by those numbers, um because like just as one example,

0:39:14.520 --> 0:39:16.600
<v Speaker 1>and you know this happens all over the country, but

0:39:16.719 --> 0:39:19.279
<v Speaker 1>like the Fairmount Damn in Philadelphia on the school gool,

0:39:19.360 --> 0:39:22.680
<v Speaker 1>they had a fish cam in their fish ladder and

0:39:22.800 --> 0:39:25.680
<v Speaker 1>I would look at it every day and not for

0:39:25.719 --> 0:39:29.440
<v Speaker 1>a minute, like nine nine point nine percent of the

0:39:29.480 --> 0:39:31.400
<v Speaker 1>time there would be nothing. You'd just be looking at

0:39:31.400 --> 0:39:34.080
<v Speaker 1>water and bubbles, and I would sit there for twenty

0:39:34.080 --> 0:39:36.360
<v Speaker 1>minutes and stare at it like waiting for what. I

0:39:36.360 --> 0:39:38.719
<v Speaker 1>don't know. They had all their archive greatest moments, Like

0:39:38.760 --> 0:39:40.600
<v Speaker 1>you go to the archives still it's like, oh a

0:39:40.680 --> 0:39:43.880
<v Speaker 1>carp and it's like, oh my god, strip but like

0:39:43.960 --> 0:39:45.680
<v Speaker 1>I never saw any of that ship, but I would

0:39:45.680 --> 0:39:50.000
<v Speaker 1>still watch it. There's what there's nest cams like so

0:39:50.120 --> 0:39:53.040
<v Speaker 1>he's doing nothing. And then um, like the one thing

0:39:53.040 --> 0:39:56.439
<v Speaker 1>that we used to use a lot still do back

0:39:56.440 --> 0:39:58.560
<v Speaker 1>in my surf fishing days, they had all the surf

0:39:58.600 --> 0:40:00.880
<v Speaker 1>cams set up, which were more for surfers. I mean

0:40:00.880 --> 0:40:03.920
<v Speaker 1>they were in surfing websites, but I mean came in

0:40:04.080 --> 0:40:06.080
<v Speaker 1>really handy when you're that far away and you want

0:40:06.080 --> 0:40:08.840
<v Speaker 1>to look at the at the surf, but like you

0:40:08.880 --> 0:40:11.000
<v Speaker 1>don't watch it for thirty seconds and know, okay, like

0:40:11.040 --> 0:40:13.080
<v Speaker 1>you sit there and you're just watching waves break on

0:40:13.120 --> 0:40:15.839
<v Speaker 1>the computer for thirty minutes, Like what am I looking for?

0:40:16.320 --> 0:40:20.560
<v Speaker 1>So I'm really not at all surprised by those numbers.

0:40:20.600 --> 0:40:24.280
<v Speaker 1>People just love that, like live, live, love it stuff.

0:40:25.239 --> 0:40:27.399
<v Speaker 1>I should just like set one up in my yard.

0:40:27.440 --> 0:40:29.640
<v Speaker 1>I'd get a million hits. It's like, look at Joe's yard.

0:40:30.600 --> 0:40:32.759
<v Speaker 1>You could be anything people, somebody will watch it. But

0:40:32.840 --> 0:40:34.799
<v Speaker 1>this takes it to another level because they had a

0:40:34.880 --> 0:40:38.719
<v Speaker 1>chance to actually engage. They could they could push a

0:40:38.800 --> 0:40:41.680
<v Speaker 1>button and make something happen with those fish on the

0:40:41.680 --> 0:40:43.200
<v Speaker 1>other side of the world, Like you want to talk

0:40:43.200 --> 0:40:46.840
<v Speaker 1>about people. People are not that different from rats pushing

0:40:46.840 --> 0:40:49.000
<v Speaker 1>the button for the cheese, Like they want that immediate

0:40:49.040 --> 0:40:52.480
<v Speaker 1>feedback and when you get it, like, I totally understand

0:40:52.520 --> 0:40:54.719
<v Speaker 1>why it blew up. The only thing, the only thing

0:40:54.719 --> 0:40:56.960
<v Speaker 1>that would have been better and funnier is imagine if

0:40:56.960 --> 0:40:58.759
<v Speaker 1>they hardwired it so when you hit it, the lock

0:40:58.920 --> 0:41:01.480
<v Speaker 1>just opened, like all day long, and I'll just be

0:41:01.560 --> 0:41:06.759
<v Speaker 1>like it would have been broken, Yeah, you would just

0:41:06.800 --> 0:41:15.960
<v Speaker 1>you would have just killed the entire lock. Really struggling

0:41:16.000 --> 0:41:18.840
<v Speaker 1>on a transition here, I don't have one. Uh. I

0:41:18.920 --> 0:41:21.600
<v Speaker 1>was stretching there to try. But that's okay. I'm gonna

0:41:21.600 --> 0:41:24.920
<v Speaker 1>go back domestic. We're gonna go to Florida for what

0:41:24.920 --> 0:41:28.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna say is some fairly significant news out of Florida.

0:41:29.080 --> 0:41:34.360
<v Speaker 1>It appears that the three decade ban on harvesting Goliath

0:41:34.400 --> 0:41:38.440
<v Speaker 1>grouper is closer than it's ever been to being lifted.

0:41:39.280 --> 0:41:42.560
<v Speaker 1>That's that's actually it's fairly significant, right. So this story

0:41:42.600 --> 0:41:44.640
<v Speaker 1>comes from Florida Phoenix dot com and was written by

0:41:44.680 --> 0:41:48.799
<v Speaker 1>Craig Pittman. And for those unaware, right to kill or

0:41:48.920 --> 0:41:51.880
<v Speaker 1>not kill Goliath Grouper is a huge debate in Florida.

0:41:51.920 --> 0:41:54.120
<v Speaker 1>It's been a flashpoint for many, many years, and and

0:41:54.120 --> 0:41:56.640
<v Speaker 1>and to fully understand what's happening, you just need like

0:41:56.640 --> 0:41:59.279
<v Speaker 1>a wee hint of backstory. And I'm sure most of

0:41:59.320 --> 0:42:01.680
<v Speaker 1>you know what a Goliath grouper is. You've seen the

0:42:01.680 --> 0:42:05.839
<v Speaker 1>TikTok videos of people catching eight pounders off the dock

0:42:05.920 --> 0:42:08.480
<v Speaker 1>at the public ramp with a fifty wide, or hand

0:42:08.520 --> 0:42:11.759
<v Speaker 1>lining them with ropes offshore and so forth. Um, And

0:42:11.880 --> 0:42:14.640
<v Speaker 1>presently I believe you are free and clear to target

0:42:14.640 --> 0:42:17.720
<v Speaker 1>Goliath's no problem there. But they cannot be brought into

0:42:17.800 --> 0:42:21.600
<v Speaker 1>the boat, so they're they're still pretty protected now. Pittman

0:42:21.680 --> 0:42:25.239
<v Speaker 1>accurately notes that goliaths tend to post up in an

0:42:25.280 --> 0:42:27.680
<v Speaker 1>area and call at home, and that could be a

0:42:27.719 --> 0:42:30.960
<v Speaker 1>wreck off shore or a bridge, whatever. But his point

0:42:31.320 --> 0:42:34.680
<v Speaker 1>is that their home bodies so like they're kind of

0:42:34.719 --> 0:42:37.600
<v Speaker 1>easy to find because they don't really leave. Like, once

0:42:37.640 --> 0:42:40.440
<v Speaker 1>you know that goliaths are here, they're they're they're pretty

0:42:40.480 --> 0:42:43.319
<v Speaker 1>much gonna be there all the time, and divers will

0:42:43.360 --> 0:42:45.960
<v Speaker 1>tell you so a fisherman, I guess that they're also

0:42:46.080 --> 0:42:49.640
<v Speaker 1>pretty curious. That they're just genuinely curious fish. Some people

0:42:49.680 --> 0:42:51.919
<v Speaker 1>say they're they're gentle giants. They're not these like big

0:42:51.920 --> 0:42:55.640
<v Speaker 1>aggressive monsters, but they check stuff out. Um. And all

0:42:55.680 --> 0:43:00.600
<v Speaker 1>of that contributes to why they were nearly decimated by

0:43:00.760 --> 0:43:02.920
<v Speaker 1>the mid nineteen eighties, right because they were easy to

0:43:02.960 --> 0:43:06.839
<v Speaker 1>catch um and even easier to shoot underwater. Guys would

0:43:06.880 --> 0:43:10.279
<v Speaker 1>use powerhead on a spear gun, and for for many

0:43:10.280 --> 0:43:13.360
<v Speaker 1>decades people sold them to fish markets and restaurants and such,

0:43:13.440 --> 0:43:17.080
<v Speaker 1>so in the ban on killing them went into effect.

0:43:17.480 --> 0:43:19.840
<v Speaker 1>The thing is, according to Pittman, right, there was really

0:43:19.880 --> 0:43:23.839
<v Speaker 1>no accurate count of how many goliaths remained when that

0:43:23.880 --> 0:43:27.640
<v Speaker 1>band went into effect, nor is there really a solid

0:43:27.640 --> 0:43:31.600
<v Speaker 1>account of how many there are now. So the notion

0:43:31.640 --> 0:43:35.400
<v Speaker 1>that they they've rebounded substantially enough to allow harvest is

0:43:35.400 --> 0:43:38.839
<v Speaker 1>really based, you know, basically on what anglers and and

0:43:38.960 --> 0:43:41.439
<v Speaker 1>divers are sitting. It's just like, yeah, there's a lot

0:43:41.480 --> 0:43:43.480
<v Speaker 1>more of them out there, but nobody's really out there

0:43:43.560 --> 0:43:48.000
<v Speaker 1>counting or studying those numbers specifically, um, but generally speaking,

0:43:48.040 --> 0:43:51.000
<v Speaker 1>wildlife officials are saying they comeback is a huge win.

0:43:51.920 --> 0:43:55.640
<v Speaker 1>Populations are thriving and all as well. So what's happening

0:43:55.680 --> 0:43:58.480
<v Speaker 1>is you've got environmentalists and and folks tied to like

0:43:58.520 --> 0:44:02.760
<v Speaker 1>the echo tour diving industry that need goliaths for clients

0:44:02.800 --> 0:44:05.439
<v Speaker 1>to look at when they're down there diving. They're saying, hey,

0:44:05.480 --> 0:44:08.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, these fish are doing really really good. Let's

0:44:08.120 --> 0:44:09.760
<v Speaker 1>keep it up. And then you have a large amount

0:44:09.760 --> 0:44:13.200
<v Speaker 1>of Florida anglers saying, hey, there's too many of these things.

0:44:13.239 --> 0:44:16.719
<v Speaker 1>Can we please start killing them again? Right? So, here's

0:44:16.760 --> 0:44:19.040
<v Speaker 1>a here's a quote from the story that sort of

0:44:19.400 --> 0:44:21.960
<v Speaker 1>gives you a little bit more detail. Pittman writes, there

0:44:21.960 --> 0:44:24.440
<v Speaker 1>were calls to end the goliath grouper fishing ban in

0:44:24.480 --> 0:44:29.400
<v Speaker 1>two thousand one, two thousand eleven, and again that's because

0:44:29.440 --> 0:44:32.480
<v Speaker 1>some people don't appreciate goliath groupers the way those echo

0:44:32.520 --> 0:44:36.239
<v Speaker 1>tour divers do. Instead of cute, they use words like

0:44:36.360 --> 0:44:40.360
<v Speaker 1>lazy and irritating angler. This is a quote that he

0:44:40.440 --> 0:44:43.319
<v Speaker 1>used here. Anglers fishing for snook, snappers, koba and other

0:44:43.360 --> 0:44:46.040
<v Speaker 1>species routinely tell of how they were reeling in their

0:44:46.080 --> 0:44:48.880
<v Speaker 1>catch to the surface when a Volkswagen sized goliath grouper

0:44:48.920 --> 0:44:51.320
<v Speaker 1>grabbed their fish and snapped their line, The South Florida

0:44:51.400 --> 0:44:54.640
<v Speaker 1>Sun Sentinel reported in two thousand one. Pittman says the

0:44:54.760 --> 0:44:57.160
<v Speaker 1>hardest push to lift the band came three years ago,

0:44:57.239 --> 0:45:00.040
<v Speaker 1>and it produced the biggest push back. When we're it

0:45:00.200 --> 0:45:03.919
<v Speaker 1>spread that the Wildlife Agency was considering letting anglers catch

0:45:03.960 --> 0:45:08.080
<v Speaker 1>and keep one hundred goliath groupers. Some fifty six thousand

0:45:08.160 --> 0:45:12.160
<v Speaker 1>people signed petitions against it. But now it appears Fish

0:45:12.200 --> 0:45:16.160
<v Speaker 1>and Wildlife Conservation Commission Chairman Rodney Burretto is giving the

0:45:16.200 --> 0:45:19.160
<v Speaker 1>angling groups what they want, and he says in the story,

0:45:19.200 --> 0:45:21.120
<v Speaker 1>I think the time has come and I think we

0:45:21.160 --> 0:45:23.719
<v Speaker 1>should look at where we've come in thirty years with

0:45:23.760 --> 0:45:27.400
<v Speaker 1>this fishery. Believe it or not, it's another great conservation story.

0:45:27.480 --> 0:45:30.960
<v Speaker 1>It really is. We should be applauding ourselves. So the

0:45:30.960 --> 0:45:33.960
<v Speaker 1>commissioners voted six to one to tell their staff to

0:45:34.080 --> 0:45:38.080
<v Speaker 1>come back in October. This October with a formal proposal

0:45:38.360 --> 0:45:41.200
<v Speaker 1>for what they called a limited harvest, And what I

0:45:41.280 --> 0:45:43.960
<v Speaker 1>gather is that if it passes, you'd have to enter

0:45:44.000 --> 0:45:48.359
<v Speaker 1>a lottery and essentially draw a Goliath tag, and there

0:45:48.400 --> 0:45:51.120
<v Speaker 1>would only be one hundred tags given out. The one

0:45:51.160 --> 0:45:54.400
<v Speaker 1>hundred is still what's on the table. So I don't know.

0:45:54.440 --> 0:45:57.360
<v Speaker 1>I kind of have mixed feeling about it because for starters,

0:45:57.960 --> 0:46:01.239
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I'm not convinced killing one goliaths would

0:46:01.239 --> 0:46:04.640
<v Speaker 1>do that much damage. Again, nobody really knows the numbers,

0:46:04.680 --> 0:46:07.320
<v Speaker 1>but based on anecdotal evidence and videos alone, it seems

0:46:07.320 --> 0:46:10.000
<v Speaker 1>like there are a lot of goliaths. And if you

0:46:10.040 --> 0:46:12.839
<v Speaker 1>were to go full on open season or something right

0:46:12.880 --> 0:46:14.960
<v Speaker 1>like one fish per day or whatever it may be,

0:46:15.520 --> 0:46:17.840
<v Speaker 1>then I get it, but I really don't think this

0:46:17.880 --> 0:46:21.280
<v Speaker 1>will be that impactful but second, I don't know unless

0:46:21.280 --> 0:46:24.319
<v Speaker 1>you're selling the meat. I also can't really understand why

0:46:24.400 --> 0:46:28.760
<v Speaker 1>you want a three plus pound grouper like that much meat. Personally,

0:46:28.800 --> 0:46:31.040
<v Speaker 1>I would much rather catch smaller group of species or

0:46:31.080 --> 0:46:34.040
<v Speaker 1>snappers down there than uh, you know, take a five

0:46:34.120 --> 0:46:38.000
<v Speaker 1>hundred pound goliath, especially considering I mean it is how

0:46:38.040 --> 0:46:40.160
<v Speaker 1>easy they can be to find in hook. You know,

0:46:40.200 --> 0:46:42.160
<v Speaker 1>that's true, Like I would I would almost feel guilty.

0:46:42.239 --> 0:46:45.279
<v Speaker 1>And and final thought, uh, you know about people being

0:46:45.360 --> 0:46:48.680
<v Speaker 1>upset about a goliath occasionally taking your yellow tail snapper off,

0:46:49.280 --> 0:46:51.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, like like like deal with it like

0:46:51.760 --> 0:46:54.799
<v Speaker 1>it's it's to me, It's like that's nature, man, Like

0:46:54.840 --> 0:46:58.359
<v Speaker 1>I've had it happened. It's a bummer, right, but they

0:46:58.400 --> 0:47:01.520
<v Speaker 1>lived down there. Sorry, Like that's just I don't I've

0:47:01.560 --> 0:47:03.080
<v Speaker 1>had it happened. Doesn't mean I want to go shoot

0:47:03.080 --> 0:47:05.279
<v Speaker 1>the goliath with a three fifty seven over it. You know,

0:47:05.320 --> 0:47:08.279
<v Speaker 1>I'd argued that sharks take just as much, if not more,

0:47:08.680 --> 0:47:11.520
<v Speaker 1>fish off the line and then then goliath. So I

0:47:11.840 --> 0:47:14.080
<v Speaker 1>sort of see both sides here. But it's interesting on

0:47:14.160 --> 0:47:17.120
<v Speaker 1>the last because this this band is held for so long,

0:47:17.280 --> 0:47:19.359
<v Speaker 1>and again this is not the first time it's come

0:47:19.440 --> 0:47:21.719
<v Speaker 1>real close, you know, I mean, And the reason that

0:47:21.760 --> 0:47:23.520
<v Speaker 1>ban has held along and why is this is such

0:47:23.520 --> 0:47:27.080
<v Speaker 1>a deal is mega fauna, right like big things. People

0:47:27.160 --> 0:47:30.240
<v Speaker 1>like big things and we care about big things, and

0:47:30.239 --> 0:47:33.320
<v Speaker 1>and not that I don't. I think Glad Cooper super

0:47:33.360 --> 0:47:36.520
<v Speaker 1>interesting and I agree with just about everything you said.

0:47:36.560 --> 0:47:38.440
<v Speaker 1>The the other piece though, that I feel like it's

0:47:38.480 --> 0:47:42.799
<v Speaker 1>missing from this is it has to be studied. Like

0:47:42.840 --> 0:47:45.360
<v Speaker 1>if we're gonna, if we're gonna make a management decision,

0:47:45.440 --> 0:47:47.720
<v Speaker 1>I don't think it should be based on anecdotal evidence

0:47:47.719 --> 0:47:49.319
<v Speaker 1>of divers and fishing and be like, now there's a

0:47:49.320 --> 0:47:52.880
<v Speaker 1>lot more that that. To me, I think it's probably accurate,

0:47:53.239 --> 0:47:56.280
<v Speaker 1>But I feel like this should be based on some

0:47:56.440 --> 0:48:00.800
<v Speaker 1>kind of actual evidence and data. That's that's the piece

0:48:00.840 --> 0:48:03.560
<v Speaker 1>for me that's missing here. I don't think a hundred

0:48:03.760 --> 0:48:07.319
<v Speaker 1>like if if it's really just a hundred tags, that's

0:48:08.160 --> 0:48:10.560
<v Speaker 1>to me that that's not gonna And these things are

0:48:10.640 --> 0:48:13.319
<v Speaker 1>are are almost everywhere, you know what I mean, Like

0:48:13.640 --> 0:48:15.560
<v Speaker 1>if you think about it, that's not that many fish.

0:48:15.760 --> 0:48:17.600
<v Speaker 1>That's not gonna be a boon for the fishing industry,

0:48:17.800 --> 0:48:20.560
<v Speaker 1>right like a hundred people going out and that doesn't matter.

0:48:20.760 --> 0:48:25.720
<v Speaker 1>The was gonna make way more money. Like that tag

0:48:25.800 --> 0:48:27.759
<v Speaker 1>is not going to help the guy who's piste off

0:48:27.840 --> 0:48:30.319
<v Speaker 1>that like five out of ten fish he hooks on

0:48:30.360 --> 0:48:33.200
<v Speaker 1>his favorite wreck it's taken by a glient, right, that's

0:48:33.200 --> 0:48:36.239
<v Speaker 1>not gonna help him. It's gonna be like, yeah, and

0:48:36.280 --> 0:48:39.120
<v Speaker 1>it's it's a it's it's you're gonna have charter captains

0:48:39.120 --> 0:48:41.920
<v Speaker 1>in specific places that really want that tag. They may

0:48:42.000 --> 0:48:43.719
<v Speaker 1>never use it, but it's like, I'm going to have

0:48:43.800 --> 0:48:46.640
<v Speaker 1>this in case I have that client that like insists

0:48:47.400 --> 0:48:51.080
<v Speaker 1>on taking this fish, because it's also not gonna do

0:48:51.120 --> 0:48:54.680
<v Speaker 1>anything to revive, you know, commercial sale. It's a hundred

0:48:54.760 --> 0:48:59.480
<v Speaker 1>fish now, right, I mean yeah, I think to me

0:48:59.800 --> 0:49:02.240
<v Speaker 1>it smacks of a symbolic move that that it's really

0:49:02.239 --> 0:49:04.120
<v Speaker 1>what it is. I think that if they can get

0:49:04.280 --> 0:49:07.680
<v Speaker 1>this through, then it opens up the door to have

0:49:07.960 --> 0:49:11.920
<v Speaker 1>more wild, widespread harvest down the line. That's my guess

0:49:11.960 --> 0:49:14.479
<v Speaker 1>is that that's where this is going. And I don't

0:49:14.840 --> 0:49:16.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't know enough to have an opinion on whether

0:49:16.760 --> 0:49:19.160
<v Speaker 1>or not that's a responsible decision because again we don't

0:49:19.200 --> 0:49:22.320
<v Speaker 1>have any data. So yeah, well, I mean that's I

0:49:22.360 --> 0:49:24.839
<v Speaker 1>don't know. It's it's still gonna be a long way

0:49:24.840 --> 0:49:27.200
<v Speaker 1>out because he just they want the proposals by October.

0:49:27.200 --> 0:49:29.120
<v Speaker 1>Then that's got to all pass. So we'll see. I

0:49:29.120 --> 0:49:32.440
<v Speaker 1>mean this like like Pittman wrote, Man, this has been

0:49:32.520 --> 0:49:36.520
<v Speaker 1>knocked down with almost an identical proposal three times, so

0:49:37.200 --> 0:49:39.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm curious. See, I'm sure we'll follow up on that

0:49:39.040 --> 0:49:43.440
<v Speaker 1>one absolutely. Uh. This one. The only connection I've got

0:49:43.440 --> 0:49:45.240
<v Speaker 1>between that one and this one is it's also about

0:49:45.360 --> 0:49:48.480
<v Speaker 1>a fish that folks have been really trying to recover.

0:49:49.200 --> 0:49:51.320
<v Speaker 1>It is also about a fish. It's about a fish

0:49:51.480 --> 0:49:53.400
<v Speaker 1>and fish to people care about. That's that's about all

0:49:53.400 --> 0:49:58.040
<v Speaker 1>I got. I'm sticking international, but for this one, I'm

0:49:58.080 --> 0:50:02.239
<v Speaker 1>gonna report on a mouse play. And actually I want

0:50:02.239 --> 0:50:04.520
<v Speaker 1>to want I want to do this right, So Phil, Phil,

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<v Speaker 1>can I get a little ominous music the Great Australian

0:50:10.239 --> 0:50:19.759
<v Speaker 1>mouse Plague of Thank you? Phil? Okay. So, Australia has

0:50:19.760 --> 0:50:22.040
<v Speaker 1>been dealing with horrible drought the past few years, which

0:50:22.040 --> 0:50:24.160
<v Speaker 1>has led to massive bush fires and all kinds of

0:50:24.200 --> 0:50:28.640
<v Speaker 1>other issues, anemic rivers and reservoirs, low oxygen levels, massive

0:50:28.680 --> 0:50:32.960
<v Speaker 1>algal blooms. But last year the weather turned. They got

0:50:33.080 --> 0:50:37.000
<v Speaker 1>plenty of rain, plenty of moisture, very few fires. Uh,

0:50:37.080 --> 0:50:42.360
<v Speaker 1>and and vastly improved water quality that also led to

0:50:42.440 --> 0:50:47.359
<v Speaker 1>a banner year for farmers and for mice. And when

0:50:47.360 --> 0:50:50.279
<v Speaker 1>I when I said mouse plague, I wasn't being hyperbolic.

0:50:50.840 --> 0:50:54.200
<v Speaker 1>That's the technical term used when mouse populations hit a

0:50:54.239 --> 0:50:58.400
<v Speaker 1>threshold of eight hundred to one thousand individuals per hector,

0:50:58.880 --> 0:51:02.120
<v Speaker 1>which equals about two point five acres if you speak American,

0:51:02.880 --> 0:51:07.680
<v Speaker 1>a lot of mice. A researcher for the National Science

0:51:07.719 --> 0:51:10.040
<v Speaker 1>Agencies said that trying to count the mice in Australia

0:51:10.120 --> 0:51:12.240
<v Speaker 1>right now would be like trying to count the stars

0:51:12.280 --> 0:51:16.880
<v Speaker 1>in the sky. For months might have been ravaging fields

0:51:16.920 --> 0:51:19.480
<v Speaker 1>and causing all kinds of problems across the Eastern Australia.

0:51:19.840 --> 0:51:24.080
<v Speaker 1>The industry group New South Wales Farmers estimate agricultural losses

0:51:24.120 --> 0:51:27.960
<v Speaker 1>in the hundreds of millions of dollars. The mice are

0:51:28.000 --> 0:51:33.239
<v Speaker 1>a huge problem for people, but there kind of turned

0:51:33.239 --> 0:51:36.680
<v Speaker 1>into a huge boon for the fish. According to numerous

0:51:36.719 --> 0:51:40.640
<v Speaker 1>Australian news outlets, murray Cott anglers are reporting that the

0:51:40.640 --> 0:51:42.960
<v Speaker 1>fish are taking advantage of the abundant supply of mice

0:51:42.960 --> 0:51:44.959
<v Speaker 1>falling into the water, which makes sense because murray cott

0:51:45.000 --> 0:51:50.560
<v Speaker 1>eat everything right, They eat everything. The fish this year

0:51:50.600 --> 0:51:52.680
<v Speaker 1>are an excellent condition. If you if you look at

0:51:52.680 --> 0:51:56.000
<v Speaker 1>the photos, you just see these these huge giant standard

0:51:56.000 --> 0:51:58.920
<v Speaker 1>bellies on fish of all different sizes, not just the

0:51:58.920 --> 0:52:01.400
<v Speaker 1>big mature ones, but even the smaller ones are fat.

0:52:02.120 --> 0:52:05.680
<v Speaker 1>The only complaint that local anglers have is that most

0:52:05.760 --> 0:52:10.160
<v Speaker 1>every fish they catch regurgitates half digested mice, sometimes ten

0:52:10.280 --> 0:52:13.680
<v Speaker 1>or more, and the smell is quote not the prettiest.

0:52:16.000 --> 0:52:18.799
<v Speaker 1>This is this is all very welcome news from mary

0:52:18.800 --> 0:52:20.719
<v Speaker 1>God which have been struggling in the past few years.

0:52:20.960 --> 0:52:24.200
<v Speaker 1>The droughts took up a massive toll on the fish,

0:52:24.280 --> 0:52:26.759
<v Speaker 1>and then when the rains finally did come in early,

0:52:27.640 --> 0:52:29.840
<v Speaker 1>they watched so much sentiment of the rivers and dropped

0:52:29.880 --> 0:52:34.080
<v Speaker 1>temperatures so rapidly that some, like the Fame mccruary, experienced

0:52:34.360 --> 0:52:39.480
<v Speaker 1>severe fish kills. So anglers are rejoicing about finally getting

0:52:39.520 --> 0:52:44.280
<v Speaker 1>some favorable conditions. Murray cod have plenty water, oxygen, and food,

0:52:44.440 --> 0:52:47.440
<v Speaker 1>and this all sounds like a happy ending, except you

0:52:47.480 --> 0:52:49.640
<v Speaker 1>know that that whole mouse plague is still an issue.

0:52:50.520 --> 0:52:53.560
<v Speaker 1>As the weather cools into winter, all those mice are

0:52:53.680 --> 0:52:57.719
<v Speaker 1>looking for shelter and homes and buildings. They're they're invading houses,

0:52:57.719 --> 0:53:01.360
<v Speaker 1>they're invading neighborhoods. They're like lay waste to hay and

0:53:01.400 --> 0:53:04.880
<v Speaker 1>straw and crop stores. The government is under serious pressure

0:53:05.280 --> 0:53:08.480
<v Speaker 1>to do something about all these mice. Researchers are working

0:53:08.480 --> 0:53:12.320
<v Speaker 1>on genetic bio control solutions, like releasing modified mice in

0:53:12.400 --> 0:53:16.680
<v Speaker 1>the wild that could theoretically lead to rendering female mice infertile,

0:53:17.120 --> 0:53:20.960
<v Speaker 1>but that technology isn't ready. It might help control future outbreaks,

0:53:21.200 --> 0:53:24.560
<v Speaker 1>but not this one. That's like a heavy. That's a

0:53:24.560 --> 0:53:29.360
<v Speaker 1>heavy solution, had some futuristic ship right there, setic warfare.

0:53:30.680 --> 0:53:34.040
<v Speaker 1>The solution proposed to deal with the immediate problem is

0:53:34.040 --> 0:53:38.360
<v Speaker 1>a poison called Broma di alone, which is currently banned.

0:53:38.920 --> 0:53:41.000
<v Speaker 1>The state has applied for a permit to use the

0:53:41.040 --> 0:53:43.680
<v Speaker 1>poison along the perimeter of crop fields in order to

0:53:43.800 --> 0:53:47.200
<v Speaker 1>get the mouse plague under control. The problem is that

0:53:47.280 --> 0:53:50.760
<v Speaker 1>this poison breaks down very slowly, and lots of different

0:53:50.760 --> 0:53:55.480
<v Speaker 1>animals eat mice, dogs, pigs, poultry, owls, hawks, eagles, and

0:53:55.600 --> 0:53:59.759
<v Speaker 1>murray cod are all chowing down on the plentiful road

0:53:59.760 --> 0:54:03.480
<v Speaker 1>and lie. If the mice are laced with this poison,

0:54:03.960 --> 0:54:07.440
<v Speaker 1>which the Minister of Agriculture referred to as napalm for mice,

0:54:07.960 --> 0:54:10.280
<v Speaker 1>then it will likely end up in the fish as well.

0:54:10.920 --> 0:54:13.520
<v Speaker 1>Local fisheries groups and anglers are coming out against the

0:54:13.520 --> 0:54:17.399
<v Speaker 1>decision and even threatening potential lawsuits. Since murray coott are

0:54:17.400 --> 0:54:20.719
<v Speaker 1>listed as a vulnerable species and subject to federal protections,

0:54:21.280 --> 0:54:24.520
<v Speaker 1>there may be another option. The New South Wales Farmers

0:54:24.560 --> 0:54:29.239
<v Speaker 1>Group has requested the government provides zinc phosphate instead, which

0:54:29.320 --> 0:54:32.360
<v Speaker 1>also kills mice and breaks down within twenty four hours

0:54:32.360 --> 0:54:36.040
<v Speaker 1>of consumption. It would be less effective at getting rid

0:54:36.080 --> 0:54:38.279
<v Speaker 1>of the mice, but also pose less of a threat

0:54:38.280 --> 0:54:40.560
<v Speaker 1>to the food chain. I don't actually have a clear

0:54:40.600 --> 0:54:44.640
<v Speaker 1>takeaway on this one. Like a mouse playing sounds awful,

0:54:45.440 --> 0:54:47.720
<v Speaker 1>like as you saying it, as as a man who's

0:54:47.760 --> 0:54:50.560
<v Speaker 1>I've dealt with some mice. I eventually had to call

0:54:50.640 --> 0:54:52.560
<v Speaker 1>in professionals because I would get him in my basement,

0:54:52.600 --> 0:54:55.120
<v Speaker 1>like they'd run around the drop ceiling in my finished basement,

0:54:55.640 --> 0:54:57.480
<v Speaker 1>and like one or two mice is fun, like you

0:54:57.560 --> 0:54:59.160
<v Speaker 1>like you set the peanut butter and you sit down

0:54:59.200 --> 0:55:02.520
<v Speaker 1>there and like hear him to and I'm like, yeah, gosh, yeah,

0:55:02.760 --> 0:55:04.960
<v Speaker 1>like you know what I mean. But I hate I

0:55:05.000 --> 0:55:08.640
<v Speaker 1>hate mice in the home. So this if you look

0:55:08.640 --> 0:55:11.080
<v Speaker 1>at the back Dude, you look at some of the video, like, well,

0:55:11.120 --> 0:55:12.960
<v Speaker 1>I saw something on TikTok and there was like some

0:55:13.040 --> 0:55:15.160
<v Speaker 1>kind of farm conveyor just like it was like a

0:55:15.160 --> 0:55:18.080
<v Speaker 1>waterfall of mice coming off the top of a conveyor

0:55:18.480 --> 0:55:22.440
<v Speaker 1>directly into a burning barrel. Like they like it was

0:55:22.640 --> 0:55:25.480
<v Speaker 1>it was crazy. It's like, it's not funny, but it

0:55:25.600 --> 0:55:27.560
<v Speaker 1>is like it's literally like one of those farms that

0:55:27.640 --> 0:55:29.799
<v Speaker 1>like moves fruit and grain, and it was just like

0:55:30.000 --> 0:55:32.799
<v Speaker 1>dumping like a niagara falls of mice in the in

0:55:32.840 --> 0:55:36.239
<v Speaker 1>the like burning napalm. It all looks awful like I

0:55:36.239 --> 0:55:39.360
<v Speaker 1>would I would absolutely hate to be living in the

0:55:39.400 --> 0:55:41.320
<v Speaker 1>midst of that. But I'm also I'm rooting for the

0:55:41.360 --> 0:55:45.040
<v Speaker 1>Murray God, like they're finally and they're finally catching a break.

0:55:45.080 --> 0:55:47.560
<v Speaker 1>You know, dude, I hear you, Like you know what.

0:55:47.640 --> 0:55:50.160
<v Speaker 1>This harkens me back to remember that that story many

0:55:50.200 --> 0:55:53.319
<v Speaker 1>moons ago about how they realized like shark fins or

0:55:53.400 --> 0:55:57.960
<v Speaker 1>sharks could like make COVID vaccine faster, and there was

0:55:58.000 --> 0:56:01.160
<v Speaker 1>like there's organizations that were like, play don't hurt the sharks,

0:56:01.160 --> 0:56:04.000
<v Speaker 1>but everybody is so over the COVID that it's like

0:56:04.160 --> 0:56:07.239
<v Speaker 1>I don't care about the sharks right now, make the vaccine.

0:56:07.400 --> 0:56:10.680
<v Speaker 1>That's what's gonna that could easily happen here because I

0:56:10.760 --> 0:56:13.040
<v Speaker 1>get it. On the Murray Cod, that's great, But in

0:56:13.080 --> 0:56:16.120
<v Speaker 1>the overall scheme, that's like two guys fighting against neighborhood

0:56:16.120 --> 0:56:19.160
<v Speaker 1>after neighborhood going just God, please get rid of these

0:56:19.200 --> 0:56:23.640
<v Speaker 1>mice somehow, because that's brutal, man. And then even still,

0:56:23.760 --> 0:56:25.160
<v Speaker 1>no matter how you kill them, then you still a

0:56:25.200 --> 0:56:27.640
<v Speaker 1>whole bunch of dead mice. They don't just like blow away.

0:56:28.120 --> 0:56:31.600
<v Speaker 1>So it's just it's like a bad it's just a bad,

0:56:31.640 --> 0:56:34.920
<v Speaker 1>bad scenario, man. Yeah. Yeah, the whole thing is is

0:56:35.160 --> 0:56:38.400
<v Speaker 1>pretty nasty. And and yeah, like I said, there's that

0:56:38.440 --> 0:56:40.560
<v Speaker 1>little glimmer in the middle, like the Murray Card are

0:56:40.600 --> 0:56:46.359
<v Speaker 1>doing great, but we're overrun with a vermin. Yeah, I'll root,

0:56:46.400 --> 0:56:49.960
<v Speaker 1>I'll root for the Cod with you. But if any

0:56:49.960 --> 0:56:52.160
<v Speaker 1>we have we don't, we have some. We have some

0:56:52.200 --> 0:56:54.640
<v Speaker 1>fans down under those that do. And like I'm, I'm

0:56:54.640 --> 0:56:56.560
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't surprise if I hear someone that are just like

0:56:56.680 --> 0:56:59.600
<v Speaker 1>f the Murray Cod. Right now, dude, I can't have

0:56:59.840 --> 0:57:02.880
<v Speaker 1>I can't have food in my home. Okay, They're in everything,

0:57:03.440 --> 0:57:06.120
<v Speaker 1>So we feel for you. Guys. Uh, Phil, you can

0:57:06.120 --> 0:57:09.960
<v Speaker 1>go down and do a mice crusade, kill some mice. Um.

0:57:10.000 --> 0:57:12.920
<v Speaker 1>You can shoot a grouper in the head, maybe in

0:57:12.920 --> 0:57:16.560
<v Speaker 1>the farta pretty soon catch a mean mouth ring the doorbell.

0:57:17.200 --> 0:57:19.560
<v Speaker 1>We'll we'll hear from Phil see who won this week,

0:57:19.720 --> 0:57:22.800
<v Speaker 1>and then right after that we'll talk about another bass

0:57:23.000 --> 0:57:30.120
<v Speaker 1>that's kind of an oddball in finn clips. Miles. If

0:57:30.160 --> 0:57:32.320
<v Speaker 1>you feel your phone blowing up right now, it's because

0:57:32.360 --> 0:57:35.040
<v Speaker 1>I just sent you two thousand push notifications letting you

0:57:35.080 --> 0:57:38.880
<v Speaker 1>know that you're the winner this week. Whether it's not

0:57:39.000 --> 0:57:41.960
<v Speaker 1>letting a disheveled doc managers sleep for days on end,

0:57:42.400 --> 0:57:44.360
<v Speaker 1>or deciding that the name of a state of the

0:57:44.440 --> 0:57:48.360
<v Speaker 1>art research boat should be Boatie mcboat face. It's truly

0:57:48.400 --> 0:57:50.640
<v Speaker 1>incredible what can be accomplished when a bunch of random

0:57:50.680 --> 0:57:53.200
<v Speaker 1>strangers come together on the Internet with a common goal

0:57:53.240 --> 0:57:57.800
<v Speaker 1>in mind. The Internet What a magical place where I

0:57:57.840 --> 0:58:01.800
<v Speaker 1>go to have only positive experiences with absolutely no detrimental

0:58:01.800 --> 0:58:05.880
<v Speaker 1>effects on mental health or social skills. Did you know

0:58:05.960 --> 0:58:08.480
<v Speaker 1>that there are claw game machines in Japan that you

0:58:08.520 --> 0:58:11.280
<v Speaker 1>can control from anywhere in the world. You just you

0:58:11.360 --> 0:58:14.320
<v Speaker 1>pay money and you can control the claw that's in

0:58:14.400 --> 0:58:17.760
<v Speaker 1>Japan and I'm in Montana. And then after you win

0:58:17.800 --> 0:58:20.280
<v Speaker 1>the stuff, they send it to you and I never

0:58:20.360 --> 0:58:30.840
<v Speaker 1>have to leave my house. I can do this forever, forever, forever.

0:58:38.480 --> 0:58:42.200
<v Speaker 1>Today we're talking bass, not America's bug eyed obsession, the

0:58:42.280 --> 0:58:45.720
<v Speaker 1>large mouth or the less appreciated but far more interesting cousin,

0:58:45.760 --> 0:58:48.440
<v Speaker 1>the small mouth either. No, we're going to talk about

0:58:48.440 --> 0:58:50.840
<v Speaker 1>a different type of black bass, one that's a hot

0:58:50.880 --> 0:58:54.400
<v Speaker 1>topic these days if you pay attention to fisheries management circles.

0:58:55.360 --> 0:58:59.880
<v Speaker 1>Spotted bass or spots range from East Texas across the

0:59:00.000 --> 0:59:03.280
<v Speaker 1>Golf Coast to the Florida Panhandle. They're also native throughout

0:59:03.320 --> 0:59:06.600
<v Speaker 1>the Ohio River basin and the central and lower Mississippi

0:59:06.720 --> 0:59:10.960
<v Speaker 1>River basin. The colloquial term spotted bass actually refers to

0:59:11.000 --> 0:59:15.360
<v Speaker 1>two separate but nearly indistinguishable species, one of which is

0:59:15.400 --> 0:59:18.080
<v Speaker 1>causing a whole lot of problems for their more popular relatives,

0:59:18.480 --> 0:59:21.720
<v Speaker 1>but we'll get to that in a minute. In eighteen hundred,

0:59:21.920 --> 0:59:26.560
<v Speaker 1>the French naturalist Bernard Germaine la Sepede described and named

0:59:26.640 --> 0:59:29.640
<v Speaker 1>both large mouth and smallmouth bass. Though he'd never actually

0:59:29.840 --> 0:59:33.439
<v Speaker 1>seen a live specimen, he did get a skin mount

0:59:33.480 --> 0:59:35.720
<v Speaker 1>of a smallmouth and the mail with the dorsal fin

0:59:36.000 --> 0:59:39.040
<v Speaker 1>partially broken off, though, which is how smallmouth bass became

0:59:39.080 --> 0:59:44.040
<v Speaker 1>known as Micropterus dolomu. Micropterus means small fin, and if

0:59:44.040 --> 0:59:46.800
<v Speaker 1>you remember episode twenty seven where we asked Mandy Yurick

0:59:46.840 --> 0:59:50.320
<v Speaker 1>about smallmouth history, you already know about the dolomu part.

0:59:50.720 --> 0:59:56.240
<v Speaker 1>Dolo might give my name and mother my name. A

0:59:56.280 --> 1:00:00.960
<v Speaker 1>couple of decades later, another Frenchman, Constantine rough Nesque, was

1:00:01.000 --> 1:00:04.920
<v Speaker 1>the first scientist who recognize spotted bass as a separate species,

1:00:05.400 --> 1:00:08.640
<v Speaker 1>but he was kind of an eccentric outcast, so his theory,

1:00:08.760 --> 1:00:11.760
<v Speaker 1>though correct, was ignored for another hundred years or so.

1:00:12.600 --> 1:00:15.240
<v Speaker 1>If you're wondering why French naturalists played such a big

1:00:15.360 --> 1:00:18.280
<v Speaker 1>role in identifying North American fish, you gotta remember the

1:00:18.320 --> 1:00:22.840
<v Speaker 1>time period. The US had recently parted ways with the British,

1:00:23.120 --> 1:00:26.480
<v Speaker 1>so the French were our closest allies, mainly because the

1:00:26.480 --> 1:00:30.360
<v Speaker 1>French can't resist any opportunity to irritate the Brits. The

1:00:30.400 --> 1:00:35.080
<v Speaker 1>spotted bass was officially recognized in n when Michigan theologist Dr.

1:00:35.160 --> 1:00:38.760
<v Speaker 1>Carl Hubbs definitively proved them to be a distinct population

1:00:38.880 --> 1:00:42.560
<v Speaker 1>and not just a subspecies of small mouth. He originally

1:00:42.680 --> 1:00:46.440
<v Speaker 1>named them Kentucky bass, mistakenly believing that they only existed

1:00:46.440 --> 1:00:49.560
<v Speaker 1>in that state. Spotted bass kind of looked like a

1:00:49.560 --> 1:00:51.760
<v Speaker 1>cross between a large mouth and a small mouth. They're

1:00:51.760 --> 1:00:54.720
<v Speaker 1>colored like a large mouth, but their jaws don't extend

1:00:54.760 --> 1:00:58.360
<v Speaker 1>behind their eyes like small mouth. Spots have a shallow

1:00:58.400 --> 1:01:00.760
<v Speaker 1>notch in their dorsal fins, where as large mouth have

1:01:00.800 --> 1:01:04.080
<v Speaker 1>a deeper, more pronounced notch. Spots also have rows of

1:01:04.120 --> 1:01:08.640
<v Speaker 1>relatively distinct horizontal spots below their lateral line, hence the

1:01:08.720 --> 1:01:12.480
<v Speaker 1>name spotted bass. From the time of their official discovery,

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<v Speaker 1>up till the mid nineteen eighties or so, spots weren't

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<v Speaker 1>much of a topic of conversation. They were around, and

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<v Speaker 1>people caught plenty of them, but they weren't all that exciting.

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<v Speaker 1>Spots generally don't get as big as either large mouth

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<v Speaker 1>or small mouth, so there was something of an afterthought.

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<v Speaker 1>But in California fisheries, biologists were experimenting with planting different

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<v Speaker 1>strains of bass in their relatively new reservoir systems to

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<v Speaker 1>feed on all the other fish they had introduced there.

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<v Speaker 1>Spotted bass were transported from Louis Lake in Alabama and

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<v Speaker 1>put in Paris Lake, California Department of Fishing Games specifically

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<v Speaker 1>chose individuals from Louis Lake because the spotted bass there

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<v Speaker 1>had a tendency to grow larger than other populations. Less

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<v Speaker 1>than a decade later, Paris Lake was pumping out record

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<v Speaker 1>spots nearly every season. That population was used to stock

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<v Speaker 1>other California lakes, where the fish continued to grow to

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<v Speaker 1>impressive proportions big enough to get bass anglers fired up.

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<v Speaker 1>In Bullard's Bar Reservoir kicked out the current world record,

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<v Speaker 1>which weighed in at eleven pounds four ounces. Fisheries and

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<v Speaker 1>bucket biologists to like thought they were onto something. Spots

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<v Speaker 1>have a reputation as pretty indiscriminate feeders, making them willing

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<v Speaker 1>targets even when other bassar locked up. When introduced into

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<v Speaker 1>new systems out west, the first few generations got massive fast,

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<v Speaker 1>so soon anglers started bringing spots from places that were

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<v Speaker 1>known to produce larger specimens, primarily in Alabama and northern Georgia,

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<v Speaker 1>to their home waters. These anglers thought they were doing

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<v Speaker 1>their lakes and themselves a favor, bringing in larger versions

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<v Speaker 1>of the stunted spots to beef up their bycatch. Ironically,

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<v Speaker 1>those imports are now decimating the most hallowed sport fish

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<v Speaker 1>in some places. In two thousand eight, searchers discovered that

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<v Speaker 1>Alabama spotted bass are actually a completely different fish from

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<v Speaker 1>the originally described Kentucky spotted bass. Though the two are

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<v Speaker 1>identical to the naked eye, the only way to tell

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<v Speaker 1>them apart is to count the poured scales in a

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<v Speaker 1>fish's ladder line with a magnifying glass. If it has

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<v Speaker 1>seventy or fewer, it's a Kentucky spot. If it has

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<v Speaker 1>seventy one or more, it's an Alabama bass. Alabama bass

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<v Speaker 1>create problems for both smallmouth and large mouth, which Kentucky

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<v Speaker 1>spotted bass generally don't. Steve Salmons, an Auburn Fisheries scientists

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<v Speaker 1>who specializes in black back species, describes them this way.

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<v Speaker 1>Alabama bass are an extremely adaptable, aggressive fish that tend

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to outcompete or hybridize with almost any

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<v Speaker 1>other bass species they come in contact with. Georgia, East Tennessee,

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<v Speaker 1>and North Carolina bass fisheries have been hit particularly hard

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<v Speaker 1>in the past decade, where some world class smalmouth and

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<v Speaker 1>large mouth fisheries have seen signal eificant declients. In some

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<v Speaker 1>North Carolina bass lakes, anglers now report catching three Alabama

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<v Speaker 1>bass for every one large mouth or small mouth Bill. Frasier,

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<v Speaker 1>conservation director for the North Carolina b Ass Nation, was

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<v Speaker 1>quoted as saying we had national class fisheries rivaled only

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<v Speaker 1>by Texas and Florida. Now they are ruined to make

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<v Speaker 1>things worse. While the Alabama bass and California reservoirs grew

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<v Speaker 1>to trophy size, it appears that in many systems where

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<v Speaker 1>other bass are already present, introduced Alabama spots don't get

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<v Speaker 1>much larger than Kentucky spots. This is yet another reminder

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<v Speaker 1>that bucket biology is a bad idea. Moving fish between

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<v Speaker 1>waters is illegal, but more importantly, it can backfire. I

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<v Speaker 1>realize anglers who do this usually think they're doing themselves

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<v Speaker 1>and other people of favor, but most North Carolina bass

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<v Speaker 1>anglers aren't feeling too appreciative. The good news, however, is

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<v Speaker 1>it spotted bass are both plentiful and tasty, and if

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<v Speaker 1>anglers in the nose you cutting up a limit of

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<v Speaker 1>spots at the boat ram, they'll probably give you a

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<v Speaker 1>nod of approval, Whereas if you do the same thing

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<v Speaker 1>with a pile of large mouth or Smalley's, you might

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<v Speaker 1>get your trailer tires slashed. So I'll tell you what, man,

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<v Speaker 1>many people over the years have tried to lure me

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<v Speaker 1>into the spotted bass game. And it's not that I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to do it. I just haven't gotten around

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<v Speaker 1>to it. But I've been tipped off to these as

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<v Speaker 1>like seasonal river runs for them in the South and

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<v Speaker 1>mid Atlantic that sound really awesome, really amazing. I also

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<v Speaker 1>get photos from people now and again and they're like,

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<v Speaker 1>did I just catch a large mouth croppy hybrid? And

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<v Speaker 1>I asked where they live, and one hundred percent of

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<v Speaker 1>the time it's in spotted bass territory. And I'm like, nope,

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<v Speaker 1>that is just the spotted bass. Yeah, And that's applicable

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<v Speaker 1>because we actually get a fair number of fish I

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<v Speaker 1>D requests and I like those. I think those, Yeah, I'll.

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<v Speaker 1>I have been known to go all in and like

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<v Speaker 1>call in my friends if I don't instantly recognize them,

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<v Speaker 1>which I don't, and I will. I don't know always

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<v Speaker 1>figured out, but I will do the research and see

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<v Speaker 1>what I can find out, because now I'm just invested. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>me too. I had a listener dm me a fish

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<v Speaker 1>he caught in California, in San Francisco Delta. No clue

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<v Speaker 1>what it was, but I spent almost forty minutes trying

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<v Speaker 1>to figure it out. I took a guess. I said,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's this, but if I'm wrong, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>let me know. And he actually he eventually followed up

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<v Speaker 1>and I would dude, I was way off, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was so it was so long ago, this is months ago.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even remember what it was. But it was

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<v Speaker 1>like the blue line, swamp, Gobi loach sucker or something.

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<v Speaker 1>I I know, I know what you're talking about, cause

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<v Speaker 1>he sent that to me too. It was a long

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<v Speaker 1>time ago because I also I did it incorrectly and

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<v Speaker 1>he followed up It's like, nope, it's this. So both

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<v Speaker 1>of us lost some credibility with with whoever that was.

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<v Speaker 1>But more recently I got one from uh Nick squeally

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<v Speaker 1>I think, let's how he says his name, squalia And

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<v Speaker 1>it turned out to be a blue head chub with

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<v Speaker 1>these badass spikes coming up. Yeah, also known as tubercles

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<v Speaker 1>uh And you can see that photo on my Instagram.

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<v Speaker 1>But the point it is, we really do like to

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<v Speaker 1>help out and and We're like, well, no, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>always help, but when we can, and then when we

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<v Speaker 1>have time, and Joe is going to close out the

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<v Speaker 1>show with our end of line center this week by

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<v Speaker 1>schooling it's up on a fly that's not only falling

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<v Speaker 1>off of many radars, but often gets misidentified when radars

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<v Speaker 1>do pick it back up. Well, that's not loud enough.

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<v Speaker 1>The crease fly was invented by Long Island, New York

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<v Speaker 1>based captain Joe Blattos in the late nine nineties to

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<v Speaker 1>imitate peanut bunker, a primary food source of the local stripe,

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<v Speaker 1>bass and blue fish. And the quote I read online

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<v Speaker 1>Blados once described the crease fly as a round popper

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<v Speaker 1>that got run over by a truck, and that's actually

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<v Speaker 1>a spot on description. Crease flies have a short, sparse tail,

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<v Speaker 1>usually made of a pinch of synthetic flash material or bucktail,

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<v Speaker 1>and the body is simply a piece of craft foam

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<v Speaker 1>that starts out sort of bullet shaped, but as then

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<v Speaker 1>folded over around the hook shank and glued together to

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<v Speaker 1>create the profile of a bait fish. Add some eyes,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe get creative with some magic markers, Slather the foam

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<v Speaker 1>in apoxy, and you've got a crease fly. But the

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<v Speaker 1>thing is, you probably don't got a crease fly, because

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<v Speaker 1>this pattern manages to be both a staple or completely

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<v Speaker 1>absent in fly boxes depending on who you talk to.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're a guide in the wool salty fly guy

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<v Speaker 1>that fishes the northeast, strong chance you've got a crease

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<v Speaker 1>flyer too. In fact, it might even be as essential

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<v Speaker 1>to you as a cloudser Minnow outside of this area, however,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like the issue is that people just aren't

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<v Speaker 1>sure what to do with one, why they need it,

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<v Speaker 1>or what it does exactly. A matter of fact, the

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<v Speaker 1>proper method of fishing a crease fly is often debated

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<v Speaker 1>in fly forums, and in my opinion, there really is

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<v Speaker 1>no right or wrong answer most people, except that the

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<v Speaker 1>crease fly is designed primarily to be fished on the surface.

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<v Speaker 1>What I think throws people off, however, is that they

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<v Speaker 1>expected to fish like a popper. They try to fish

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<v Speaker 1>it like a popper, and when it doesn't work like

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<v Speaker 1>a popper, they cut it off and tie on a popper.

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<v Speaker 1>Because of the crease flies lightweight, slim profile, and thin head,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't throw a ton of water, and if you

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<v Speaker 1>try to overstrip it to make it chill, you'll often

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<v Speaker 1>find that you just pull it right out of the water.

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<v Speaker 1>The crease fly is about creating a subtler commotion. It

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<v Speaker 1>gurgles a bit, darts a bit, and if you finesse it,

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<v Speaker 1>it'll even die of a bit. I've found that to

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<v Speaker 1>make it work effectively, it's more about wrist twitching than

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<v Speaker 1>using your whole forearm to work that sucker like a

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<v Speaker 1>muskie fly. In essence, when fish correctly, the crease fly

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<v Speaker 1>is what i'd call a near surface fly, constantly causing

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<v Speaker 1>a general rucus on and just below that salty film.

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<v Speaker 1>But other keyboard commandos insist that the crease fly was

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<v Speaker 1>always intended to be a completely subsurface pattern, and they

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<v Speaker 1>say that what Blottos wanted was for it to be

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<v Speaker 1>fished on an intermediate sinking line that would form a

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<v Speaker 1>belly and pull the fly under during the retrieve. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>without asking Blottos, the truth may never be found. But

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<v Speaker 1>the real truth is the crease fly catches fish with

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<v Speaker 1>both presentations, making very very versatile. It's a favorite of

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<v Speaker 1>mine from mahi mahi as well as stripers, particularly in

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<v Speaker 1>wide open water with no current and in those scenarios

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<v Speaker 1>I actually favor the intermediate sinc tip line method, and

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<v Speaker 1>find that if you can get a crease fly under

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<v Speaker 1>just a few inches, man, when you hit it, that

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<v Speaker 1>thing's got a little wiggle, little shimmy, little wobble that

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<v Speaker 1>those fish just cannot resist. Now, as a river fly,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not as effective because it takes very little water

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<v Speaker 1>flow to override the action you're trying to achieve with

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<v Speaker 1>the rotten line. But I have caught a mess of

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<v Speaker 1>large mouths on creased flies over the years, barely twitching

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<v Speaker 1>one across the surface of a flat com pond on

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<v Speaker 1>a muggy summer evening. Now, perhaps even better than the

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<v Speaker 1>creased flies ability to catch fish is how simple it

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<v Speaker 1>is to tie. Furthermore, it gives you a nice, roomy

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<v Speaker 1>canvas to flex your artistic abilities on. I actually tie

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<v Speaker 1>them with my kids, often letting them add rainbow colors

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<v Speaker 1>and scribbles and whatever else they want before sealing them

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<v Speaker 1>up with a POxy. I've been known to add bluegill patterns,

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<v Speaker 1>frog colors for bass, fire, tiger patterns for pike, and

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<v Speaker 1>subtle pinks and purples to mimic salty bait fish. If, however,

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<v Speaker 1>you just totally suck acid coloring, leave him white, don't

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<v Speaker 1>get trash just as hard. So that's it for this week.

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<v Speaker 1>Hopefully we've not left you with questions like should I

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<v Speaker 1>really be fishing under the power lens? Which you should?

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<v Speaker 1>And our spotted best actually cooler than small mouths, which

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<v Speaker 1>they might be? Or can you be metal and be

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<v Speaker 1>into him radio? Yes you can. Finally, should I buy

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<v Speaker 1>flies from a local shop instead of off Instagram? Yes

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<v Speaker 1>you should, man, But while you're on Instagram not looking

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