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Speaker 1: So a lot of injuries there for the Texans before

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Speaker 1: they suit up against the Ravens. They're heavy home underdogs.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about that on Tuesday show. We are having

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Speaker 1: a Tuesday morning Christmas Eve Day show that Jordan, Rod

435
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Speaker 1: reag and I are going to tape and so that'll

436
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Speaker 1: be in your feed sometime on Christmas Eve afternoon, and

437
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Speaker 1: then we're going to be dark for Christmas. Haven't laid

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Speaker 1: out the schedule here yet. I'm just honking Nick because

439
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Speaker 1: I want to get to this ladder. The Coaches of

440
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Speaker 1: the Year A couple just small injury items. Oulu Fashanu

441
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Speaker 1: of the Jets, who's played well, is going to be

442
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Speaker 1: out for the rest of the season, but it's not

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Speaker 1: a serious injury, like a long term injury. It's a

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Speaker 1: foot injury. And JK. Dobbins, the Chargers running back was

445
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Speaker 1: designated to return, is going to be out of practice.

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Speaker 1: So would love to see him on Saturday in Foxborough

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Speaker 1: on NFL Network with our friend Chris Rose and Ross

448
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Speaker 1: Tucker on the call. That's a that's a fun duo.

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Speaker 1: I will get your take on this. Vikings Packers moved

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Speaker 1: to four to twenty five Eastern on Sunday, a rare

451
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Speaker 1: flex for a game that's like five days away. I

452
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Speaker 1: love that, like they're gonna be the whole national window.

453
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Speaker 1: It's a very strange Sunday slate, Nick, I don't know

454
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Speaker 1: if you've looked at it. Only six games early and

455
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Speaker 1: only two games late, so the whole country is going

456
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Speaker 1: to be watching that Vikings Packers game. It's one of

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Speaker 1: the only really big games we have left the rest

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Speaker 1: of the season.

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Speaker 4: To be honest, well, I was hoping you're gonna get

460
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Speaker 4: my Chris Rose takes, because that's my guy.

461
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Speaker 3: But I'm just kidding.

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Speaker 1: Okay, No, let's hear it. Let's hear Ran for like

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Speaker 1: two minutes.

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Speaker 4: It's the homie. He's well versed in baseball, and I

465
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Speaker 4: text him about baseball at the time. He's a great guy. No,

466
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Speaker 4: it's that slate. It's not great. You already had to

467
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Speaker 4: flex the Browns out of a primetime game into the

468
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Speaker 4: four o'clock window just to get them out of there

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Speaker 4: when they're playing the Dolphins. So why not put at

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Speaker 4: least Packers Vikings a game with a ton of significance

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Speaker 4: in the same window. I'm sure it'll be America's game

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Speaker 4: of the week.

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, it's literally the only game at four twenty five.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: The Dolphins're right are at four five, and then there's

476
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Speaker 1: only six games early and yeah, they're not a lot

477
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Speaker 1: of big games. Cowboys Eagles is probably the best game

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Speaker 1: early Saturday.

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Speaker 4: Well, the Christmas week a Thursday, nay, three Saturday games,

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Speaker 4: we're gonna be all spread out, which means we're gonna

481
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Speaker 4: be watching football pretty much every day this week.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, while we're While we're here, we got two Wednesday games.

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Speaker 1: That's Christmas Now, NFL Daily on Christmas had Mercy on

484
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Speaker 1: the Roberts family celebrating their first Christmas with their.

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Speaker 3: Baby baby's first Christmas.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and then we are gonna I'd be doing our

487
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Speaker 1: Thursday preview show that it's usually taped on Wednesdays, but

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Speaker 1: we're still doing the normal Steve Weish, Patrick Claibon and

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Speaker 1: myself will be without Wish actually now that I'm thinking

490
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Speaker 1: because he's going to be in Foxborough on NFL Network

491
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Speaker 1: for too much information. Anyways, We're doing our previews show

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Speaker 1: on Thursday. That'll come out. We will not be doing

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Speaker 1: a Thursday night recap this week because we're going heavy

494
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Speaker 1: on these shows, and we will be back, of course

495
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Speaker 1: as usual for our Sunday night recap. So that is

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Speaker 1: the order. Let's get to the Coach of the Year ladder.

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Speaker 1: This is what matters, this is what the people want.

498
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Speaker 1: Our ladders have been taking over the internet. Denver Broncos

499
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Speaker 1: fans loved when I left bow Nicks out of the

500
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Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year conversation. Yeah, hasn't played great since,

501
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Speaker 1: but we'll see. I'm also leaving Sean Payton out of

502
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Speaker 1: the Coach of the Year. I'm just going to start

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Speaker 1: with that. Sorry.

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Speaker 3: Oh, this is so.

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Speaker 1: The the group is so good. I'm just gonna say

506
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Speaker 1: the like four guys, and I guess I'm spoiling some

507
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Speaker 1: things here. Here are four guys that didn't make mine

508
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Speaker 1: that if you put them like two or three in years,

509
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Speaker 1: I would say, totally understand it. Sean Payton just missed

510
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Speaker 1: Sean McDermott. You know, they weren't even predicted to win

511
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Speaker 1: their division in Vegas or whatever this year, although I

512
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Speaker 1: had him, of course winning the super Bowl. Let's go

513
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Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh, big turnaround for the Chargers. And Matt Lafleur,

514
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Speaker 1: who we saw tonight. Those guys didn't even make my list.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with your list at number five. We'll figure

516
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Speaker 1: out who didn't make your list as we go.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna have some variants here.

518
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Speaker 4: And I had a really hard time figuring out figuring

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Speaker 4: out number five because I think Lafleur does deserve a

520
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Speaker 4: spot here. He is going to be number five on

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Speaker 4: my ladder because of what we discussed earlier in the show,

522
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Speaker 4: which is how he's really just grown this Packers offense

523
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Speaker 4: to be a unit that can attack you from so

524
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Speaker 4: many different angles. The way that he handled the league

525
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Speaker 4: willis situation they didn't miss a beat with him. They

526
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Speaker 4: changed their offense dramatically in those games to accentuate his

527
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Speaker 4: strengths and went out and won football games. That alone,

528
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Speaker 4: plus the potential of what they can do as they

529
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Speaker 4: ride this hot streak into the postseason, makes me think, Look,

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Speaker 4: I know he's had a lot of success there, and

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Speaker 4: a lot of people put all that on Aaron Rodgers

532
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Speaker 4: early in his time there, But this is a damn

533
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Speaker 4: good coach. And I don't care that they made, you know,

534
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Speaker 4: a deep run in the playoffs last year. I don't

535
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Speaker 4: care about that. I'm not you know, I'm not using

536
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Speaker 4: that as an evaluation here. He's had a great year

537
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Speaker 4: of coaching. He's done a fantastic job. He deserves number five.

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Speaker 3: On my list.

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Speaker 1: Totally get it, Like it fits my criteria too of

540
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Speaker 1: just is he a great coach, Like it's not just

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Speaker 1: if you improve your team from a year ago, because

542
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Speaker 1: the team before stuck. Like he is right there with

543
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Speaker 1: McVeigh and anyone else as one of the best x's

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Speaker 1: and o's coach and obviously can run an organization. That's

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Speaker 1: why I have Mike Tomlin number five. I know they're

546
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Speaker 1: coming off of a couple losses here and the last

547
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Speaker 1: couple of weeks are going to be really important. When

548
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Speaker 1: I mentioned those four coaches that miss just for me,

549
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Speaker 1: so that's that's nine different coaches. I probably could shake

550
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Speaker 1: up my four through nine almost in any way. I

551
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Speaker 1: feel good about my top three right now, top three

552
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Speaker 1: to four. But the rest we'll see how this season

553
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Speaker 1: shakes out. But as we stand now, I think he's

554
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Speaker 1: done a great job. I think he was bold with

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Speaker 1: the Russell Wilson move. Overall, it's just the you see

556
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Speaker 1: it on the hard knocks, what he brings to get

557
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Speaker 1: them ready to play each and every week. They've exceeded

558
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Speaker 1: my expectations. Mike Tomlin is my number five. You give

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Speaker 1: me your number four.

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Speaker 3: I had eleven guys in total unconsideration there, So that's

561
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Speaker 3: that's how deep this field is. My number four.

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Speaker 4: I actually just made a last minute change because I

563
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Speaker 4: just thought about it. It's Sean McVeigh. And it's not

564
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Speaker 4: because you know the he's got a Super Bowl ring

565
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Speaker 4: and everything else. It's because they've weathered an incredible amount

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Speaker 4: of adversity. We wanted to leave them for dead at

567
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Speaker 4: about week five this season, they were in a bad spot.

568
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Speaker 4: And then they go on a run just to get

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Speaker 4: better to five hundred, and it felt like a significant

570
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Speaker 4: achievement with all the injuries they'd suffered. They lost Pooka

571
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Speaker 4: Nakua in week one, they lost Cooper Cup shortly thereafter.

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Speaker 4: They dealt with just an array of issues, and yet

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Speaker 4: he's steadied this ship. They've won games in different ways.

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Speaker 4: They won an ugly game this last weekend. They've won

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Speaker 4: a couple of ugly games in a row. They've gone

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Speaker 4: out and out gunned the Buffalo Bills at home. They've

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Speaker 4: done it in every way possible. And I think that

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Speaker 4: all starts with their coach, who flirted with retirement, has

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Speaker 4: come back when the team that struggled and has got

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Speaker 4: them back in playoff contention.

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Speaker 3: Now, I think he deserves recognition.

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Speaker 1: And he's better at game management. You're right, he should

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Speaker 1: be on my list of at least ten that you

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Speaker 1: shake up, because again, no problem with that. You were

585
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Speaker 1: really splitting hairs with all these guys. I'm making a

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Speaker 1: last second change. I'm putting Dan Quinn actually as my

587
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Speaker 1: number four. Now, this is an award that's more than

588
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Speaker 1: just X's and O's their defense, and he's a defensive guy.

589
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Speaker 1: Is twenty first in the league in DVOA. Now that's

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Speaker 1: a big improvement from last year when they were thirty first,

591
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Speaker 1: So he gets some credit for that. I'm not going

592
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Speaker 1: to give him a crazy amount of credit when they're

593
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Speaker 1: twenty first, but it's a talent poor roster overall that's

594
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Speaker 1: gonna make the playoffs. And is ten and five, and

595
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Speaker 1: he made the decision to higher Cliff Kingsbury, and he also,

596
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Speaker 1: like Mike Tomlin, is more than just x's and o's.

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Speaker 1: He's a culture changer. He's he runs the building. I

598
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Speaker 1: think he probably learned a lot from the first time

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Speaker 1: he was a head coach. If you're wondering why he's

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Speaker 1: not higher, it's just because the other coaches are incredible.

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Speaker 1: But I think he's deserving to be number four. Sometimes

602
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Speaker 1: don't I don't totally love giving We tend to give

603
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Speaker 1: Coach of the Year to the guys who pop up

604
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Speaker 1: out of nowhere and have one good, surprising year, and

605
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Speaker 1: I'm giving something that maybe a little more programmed building.

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Speaker 1: So Dan Quinn, you get it at number four. If

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Speaker 1: you get even better next year, like some of these

608
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Speaker 1: coaches are, you'd probably be even higher next year. All right,

609
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Speaker 1: give me yours.

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Speaker 3: Mine is also Quinn at three. Okay, this for all

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Speaker 3: the reason the show.

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Speaker 1: It was number three on mind and I wrote down,

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Speaker 1: but I just changed it as I was going to.

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Speaker 4: I think that the state of the Washington franchise last year,

615
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Speaker 4: as opposed to where it is now, they have taken

616
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Speaker 4: so many steps forward. I know Jane Daniels has a

617
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Speaker 4: lot to do it, I know the Cliff Kingsbury does,

618
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Speaker 4: but what you just said I think rings very true

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Speaker 4: with me, which is still a talent board defense that's

620
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Speaker 4: tenth in yards a loud per game. I know they're

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Speaker 4: twenty first in DVOA and they're like eighteenth in points

622
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Speaker 4: allowed per game, but they have taken enough of a

623
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Speaker 4: step forward to make a playoff contending team, which is

624
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Speaker 4: not anywhere near where we would have projected them when

625
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Speaker 4: the season started, And that alone is an achievement that

626
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Speaker 4: deserves some acknowledgment.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going Andy Reid number three. This is the

628
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Speaker 1: one where just people are so sick of the Chiefs

629
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Speaker 1: that I can imagine some would get annoyed, But it's

630
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Speaker 1: just who has been the best coach this year, and

631
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Speaker 1: who's just the best coach. It's a hard thing to evaluate,

632
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Speaker 1: but I do think when you're evaluating MVP, it's just like, well,

633
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Speaker 1: who's a better players, who's having the best year, but

634
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Speaker 1: also just who's better? And how can you say that

635
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Speaker 1: your coach is that you would argue for are just

636
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Speaker 1: a better coach than Andy Reid? I think it'd be

637
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: hard to argue that. And then you look at the

638
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: record that he's set in terms of consecutive one score wins,

639
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Speaker 1: and I give Kevin O'Connell spoiler alert a lot of

640
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Speaker 1: credit for his one score win record too. Well, you

641
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Speaker 1: can't knock the goat, Okay, I guess I'm doing the

642
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: thing that kids do where multiple people are the goat,

643
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Speaker 1: because I don't think Andy Reid is the goat, but

644
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Speaker 1: he's like, he's up there. He's the most important, I believe,

645
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Speaker 1: offensive mind of this century. And he's gotten so much

646
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Speaker 1: better at the game management stuff, and they keep winning

647
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Speaker 1: these one score games, and he's taken I think, a

648
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: very flawed team and he has them with the best

649
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: record in the NFL. Wins and losses matter a lot,

650
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: I believe, for the Coach of the Year award. So

651
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: if anything, you could argue he should be even higher.

652
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: Andy Reid number three.

653
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I actually agree with this a lot. He's not

654
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 4: on my top five because of Chiefs fatigue. Not that

655
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 4: I experienced it, but I just expect this from him.

656
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 4: Let's change goat to go greatest coach, greatest of currently

657
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 4: active coaches.

658
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 3: He's the go cat.

659
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: He is, without a doubt, the gokak. Now that Bill

660
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: Belichick is that unc his son Steve, another feather in

661
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: the cap for our guy, Ali Connelly, who reported Steve

662
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: Belichick was going there weeks ago before everyone else did,

663
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: all right, give me your number two.

664
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 3: My number two is gonna be Sean Payton.

665
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 4: And look, it's not easy to like Sean Payton because

666
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 4: of his demeanor, but you love to see him unleash

667
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 4: his offensive genius on a team that has a quarterback

668
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 4: that he realizes he can he can work with, and

669
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 4: he can work with bow Knicks. The way that he

670
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 4: has adjusted to Bownicks's strengths gotten him out on the

671
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 4: run so much and allowed that player to develop and

672
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 4: also succeed. Save for the last couple of weeks, I

673
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 4: think it was a massive feather in his cap. It

674
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 4: was just a huge stride forward for this entire franchise

675
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 4: because we knew that this is a team that had

676
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 4: a defense that has played better than probably most people

677
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 4: expected what was gonna be good, and now the quarterback

678
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 4: is playing well enough for them to be in contention

679
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 4: as well. Like they don't get here without Sean Payton.

680
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 4: The way that he's adjusted to his personnel this year,

681
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 4: which a lot of coaches struggle with. They try to

682
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 4: fit square pegs in a round holes. Sean Payton's not

683
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 4: doing that grand He had to go draft the guy

684
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 4: to fit him into the hole. But it's working out

685
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 4: for them, So I think he deserves some praise for

686
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 4: that too.

687
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: Love it. Like I said, this is not an award

688
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: where I'm going to push back on what other people think.

689
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: I really think there's a lot of ways you could

690
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: go with this, and he does a lot of the

691
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: things that I am saying is great about these other coaches,

692
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: like what he's done to get the details and building

693
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: this offensive line and getting the right coaches and just

694
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: everything they are on their p's and q's, they've overachieved.

695
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: He might end up on my top five in the end.

696
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: I had him six today. It means that you don't

697
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: have either my number two or my number one on

698
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: your list, which is interesting. My one B and it's

699
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be determined who wins my

700
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: Coach of the Year and perhaps who wins the AP

701
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: Coach of the Year in Week eighteen by who wins that.

702
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: At least that's how I'm looking at it. My one

703
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: B is Kevin O'Connell outstanding job. I think it's a

704
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: more talented team than you realize, so it's not just

705
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: a bunch of ragtag guys. I mean, they have a

706
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: really good offensive lineup. Of course they lost Darrisaw, but

707
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: there's talent there, great skill position players around the quarterback.

708
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: But he's right there with the foremost quarterback coaches in

709
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: the league. And then he's like Andy Reid Nail's in

710
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: these one score games. I think they're pretty good in

711
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: game management. He lets Brian Flores do his thing, but

712
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 1: he hired Brian Flores and he just seems like a player,

713
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: that former player that has the pulse of his team,

714
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: So couldn't do a better job. I'm just going to

715
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: give my top two in a row and then I'll

716
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: let you go because I think they're connected. I have

717
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell still number one. I think they've overcome a

718
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: lot this year with these injuries, and overcome a lot

719
00:33:55,440 --> 00:34:01,719
Speaker 1: of stepping up from an NFC Championship disappointment where they

720
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: were one of the best teams in the league and

721
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: actually getting even better, which I think is harder to

722
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: do as a coach. So I am giving extra credit

723
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 1: for the years of building that's gotten him to this point,

724
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: because I think that is the hardest thing to do,

725
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: is sustain success, and it's a great coaching job that

726
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,839
Speaker 1: he's done that, and in in game management and Ben

727
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: Johnson and everything like, they're incredible at that too. So

728
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: he's my one A, KOC is my one B, and

729
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:31,399
Speaker 1: I will probably favor whoever wins that Week eighteen game

730
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 1: bar and anything else weird in between. That's probably how

731
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: I'll go.

732
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 4: So I'm going to get hate for not including Dan Campbell,

733
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 4: and that's totally fine. I also want to point out

734
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 4: that I love what Dan Campbell's done, and I love

735
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 4: what Mike Tomlin's done.

736
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 3: Mike Tomlin, I've okay, do want to say that.

737
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 4: I did the same thing with John Payton, So I know,

738
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 4: just want to say that because I love them both

739
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 4: very much. But I also think that Dan Campbell is

740
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 4: somewhat comparable to Kevin O'Connell and that both are tied

741
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 4: to a really good coordinator, Dan Campbell obviously, with Ben

742
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 4: Johnson coordining that offense and they're putting up tons of

743
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 4: points and everything else. Yes, they've overcome a lot, right,

744
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 4: Kevin O'Connell is very much tied to Brian Flores, not

745
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 4: as much though, I think, as Dan Campbell is to

746
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 4: Ben Johnson. And this is why Kevin O'Connell this year

747
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 4: has gained so much credit with me for how he's

748
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 4: piloted this team. This is a team with Sam Freakin

749
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 4: Darnold at quarterback, and they're excellent. They are a team

750
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 4: that I cannot doubt anymore. They're a good team. They're

751
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 4: a talented team. They also have a defense that is

752
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 4: damn good, a defense that's really aggressive, that creates turnovers

753
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 4: and then the offense goes out and capitalizes on it.

754
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 4: But for some reason, when O'Connell first got there and

755
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 4: they had all those one score wins a few years ago,

756
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 4: I was like, I don't know, a flash in the pan.

757
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 4: They feel kind of fraudulent. I'm a full believer in him.

758
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 4: Now as a coach, he's confident. He goes out there

759
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 4: and he gets the job done, and he does it

760
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 4: in a number of different ways where he's just out

761
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 4: coaching other guys. They're always like a step of ahead,

762
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 4: and that to me is the sign of a coach

763
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:54,879
Speaker 4: is going to be around for a really long time.

764
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 4: I think that this Viking season has caught most people

765
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 4: by surprise, if not everybody, including me. It started a quarterback,

766
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 4: but it's much more than that. A lot of it

767
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 4: has to do with their coach.

768
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: What a difficult job it's going to be in Chicago

769
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: because you're going up against Dan Campbell, Kevin O'Connell and

770
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,879
Speaker 1: Matt lafleur ye six times a year. Indefinitely, I can't

771
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: remember a division that was this good, especially with young

772
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: head coaches. It's scary, it's competitive and it's scary. And

773
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 1: then you think about the AFC West, where it's like

774
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: the old crew Sean Payton, Jim Harbaugh, and Andy Reid.

775
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: Good luck to the Raiders coach that comes in there.

776
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: It's like these two divisions are just loaded with really

777
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: good they're just praying for retirements, early retirements for all

778
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: those guys. Yeah, I mean in AFC West they're closer.

779
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 1: These guys in the NFC North, they're going to be

780
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:55,720
Speaker 1: around a while. That was our Coach of the Year, Ladder.

781
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: You know what time it is now, it's our favorite

782
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: time of week. Time for the Captain's Corner, presented by

783
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,399
Speaker 1: Captain Morgan. I've got a really dumb pick, so I'm

784
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 1: gonna let you go first.

785
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 3: All right, Well, my pick's going to be pretty chalk.

786
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 4: You know we talked yesterday about Actually Weisch was the

787
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 4: one who texted you just the level of quarterback play

788
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,240
Speaker 4: that occurred between the Vikings and Seahawks and Seattle Sam Darnold.

789
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 3: Look, it's chalk, and I get it, but.

790
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: Wow, it could be justin Jefferson because he was kind of.

791
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 4: Well, you'll never see that game. You'll never see me

792
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 4: do that. That's too chalky for me. And that's including

793
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 4: the zeg Dog. You know, it's kind pretty chalky from

794
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 4: time to time. Hey, Now, Donald made some throws in

795
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 4: that game that we've seen him make before. But that

796
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 4: touchdown pass that we played as a highlight yesterday that

797
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 4: put them in the lead doing it on the road,

798
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 4: I don't know, man like There's just something about the

799
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:43,439
Speaker 4: way he's played this year and the way he played

800
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 4: on Sunday that just again reinforced that, you know what

801
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 4: I can get behind this team. He might make a

802
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 4: mistake or two here and there, but he is a

803
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 4: completely different quarterback than he was a few years ago,

804
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 4: and Sunday proved.

805
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: It to me way less mistakes. I thought he was

806
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 1: really good with his pocket movement, how quickly he's getting

807
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: through his reads. Just really solid, really consistent snap the snap.

808
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 1: Love that pick. My pick is Kenny Pickett, whoa I watch.

809
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 1: I watched this game, okay, and we live in this

810
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: world where if a receiver catches a ball, then suddenly

811
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: everyone blames the whole game on the backup quarterback, like, oh,

812
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: well they didn't take advantage with Saquon Barkley. You know

813
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: they're they're loading up to stop him. One's Pickett. Pickett

814
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: was terrible in this Okay. It's like, I go and

815
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 1: watch the game today expecting Pickett to be terrible. He

816
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: hits on three fourth down throws, he hits aj Brown

817
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: deep down the field, he gets a couple of deep pis.

818
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: I'm not saying Kenny Pickett was the best Player in

819
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: the Week. But I was like, he was exactly what

820
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: you would hope out of your backup quarterback. In that game,

821
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: he came in and technically it was only seven to

822
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: nothing at the time, they were in the red zone,

823
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: but he hit the touchdown slant like they put up points.

824
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 1: He made a bad mistake or two for sure.

825
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 3: Yeah.

826
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,439
Speaker 1: He also finished the week thirteenth in EPA per play,

827
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: fifteenth in completion percentage over expected. HiT's Kenny freaking picket.

828
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,320
Speaker 1: What do you expect anyone complaining about Kenny Pickett in

829
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: this game? I don't like it. So I've decided if

830
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: he's not, he's gonna get that much grief from all

831
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: the Eagles fans and the media that I was listening to.

832
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: He's going to get my Captain of the Week just

833
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: because I'm I'm just feeling generous.

834
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, if he would have, if he would have had

835
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 4: his receivers catch a few more of those key passes

836
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 4: late in that game, I think.

837
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: Won the game if DeVonta Smith got the ball, and

838
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:37,919
Speaker 1: then you're like, he hat that drive. He was great

839
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: on that drive.

840
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 4: Actually, everybody's on board if they make those catches. So

841
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 4: I'm not You're not too far off.

842
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,439
Speaker 1: I just think he's get a miraculous like fourth down

843
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,439
Speaker 1: while on the move. I'm just saying he wasn't even

844
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 1: that good. I'm I'm very low on Kenny Pickett. I

845
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 1: thought Tanner mckeishould have gotten that job. But that was

846
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: actually one of the best Kenny Pickett performances I've seen.

847
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 1: And it was just like, you know, stupid people just

848
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,879
Speaker 1: people just watch the the score and they make their

849
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 1: their highlights.

850
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, they do.

851
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,160
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855
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: You can you can get out of here. You can

856
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: go do some presents. I haven't even told you this

857
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: and I and that's bad, bad boss work by me.

858
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: But next week I'm going to be in the studio

859
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: for Monday Night Football. We will be back together, me

860
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: and you shook for a Monday Night Football playoff game.

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Speaker 1: That is the true finale for Monday Night Football. But

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Speaker 1: I appreciate everything you've been doing on these regular season

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Speaker 1: Monday nights throughout the season.

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Speaker 3: And that's a reason for you to like and subscribe

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Speaker 3: and come back for more.

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Speaker 1: That's right, Merry Christmas to you, Shook and the family.

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Speaker 1: We will be back on Tuesday. Like I mentioned with

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Speaker 1: Jordan Rod of the Athletic might have a little cameo

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Speaker 1: in that. Looking forward to that. And look when you're

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Speaker 1: getting the shutout and the next NFL game has Mariah

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Speaker 1: Perry lydia off, you know football is back finally,