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Speaker 1: Crime Stores with Nancy Grace, the so called Ivy League

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Speaker 1: assassins plan to bomb Manhattan emerges along with an evil

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Speaker 1: to do list. The mask slips off the prep school

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Speaker 1: grad as he bears his teeth in court and now

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Speaker 1: fighting extradition. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for being with us for just over five days.

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Speaker 2: Our NYPD investigators comb through thousands of hours of video,

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Speaker 2: followed up on hundreds of tips, and processed every bit

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Speaker 2: of forensic evidence DNA fingerprints, IP addresses, and so much more.

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Speaker 2: To tighten the net, we deployed drones, canine units, and

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Speaker 2: scuba divers. We leveraged the Domain Awareness System ARGUS cameras

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Speaker 2: and conducted aviation canvases. And our detectives also went door

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Speaker 2: fashioned police work that our investigators are famous for.

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Speaker 1: And Police Commissioner Jessica Tish was right. It worked. Listen.

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Speaker 3: A man was taking it to custody today at Altuda,

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Speaker 3: Pennsylvania this morning. He has been identified as Luigi Nicholas Mangioni.

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Speaker 3: He's a male twenty six years old. He was born

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Speaker 3: and raised in Maryland. We know he has tais to

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Speaker 3: San Francisco, California, and his last known address was Honolulu, Hawaii.

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Speaker 3: He has no prior arrest history in New York and.

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Speaker 1: Now the battle moves to the court room fighting extradition.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean he was either in a way or

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Speaker 4: a challenge extradition. There's a pretty clear cut process if

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Speaker 4: he files his petition for habeas corpus. We're in the

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Speaker 4: process now security a governor's weren't from the state of

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Speaker 4: is the hearing has to do what's necessary to get

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Speaker 1: That from our friends at Forbes with me in all

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Speaker 1: star panels straight out to special guests joining us. Christina Ohio,

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Speaker 1: national news anchor Sale News Channel, Christina, what is the latest?

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Speaker 1: We saw the mask slipping yesterday as Mangioni was taken

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Speaker 1: into court, screaming and baring his teeth, his lawyer having

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Speaker 1: to quiet him in court. What happened?

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Speaker 5: I think this is the first time that we've seen

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Speaker 5: any real emotion from Mangioni. Right, he has been calm

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Speaker 5: his first arrest. He was shown without emotion in all

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Speaker 5: of his mugshots, his pictures. He seems very emotion less.

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Speaker 5: So this is very telling his reaction. You see it

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Speaker 5: sending a message out to apparently the journalists that are

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Speaker 5: of this being a lived experience, of this being an

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Speaker 5: insult to the intelligence of the American people. And it's

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Speaker 5: telling in the fact that he is very victied in

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Speaker 5: And we see that you said the mask slipped in

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Speaker 5: the courtroom and he was attempting to tell his attorney

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Speaker 5: something really insignificant about him purchasing the mask. So it

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Speaker 5: also tells us that he's focused on these tiny, little

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Speaker 5: insignificant things such as whether the charity bag was a

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Speaker 5: waterproof where the eight thousand dollars was planted in his

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Speaker 6: On the gravity of the situation of what's going on.

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Speaker 1: Could you slow down just a moment. I want to

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Speaker 1: hear that again. You got to me drinking out of

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Speaker 1: want everybody to hear what you just said, what he

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Speaker 1: going to show you just a moment, Christina, but repeat

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Speaker 1: well in that first court.

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Speaker 5: Here, and he was focused on insignificant things. He was

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Speaker 5: then he's shouting his messages. The first sign of emotion

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Speaker 1: Let's take a look at Luigi Mangioni.

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Speaker 7: He experience.

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Speaker 1: Lived experience that from our friends at Des Moines Register.

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Speaker 7: Listen when Luigi Mangoni arrives for his extradition. Hearing he's agitated,

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Speaker 1: He is focusing on clarifying that there is a waterproof

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Speaker 1: but I want you to see this in full. It's

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Speaker 1: Thank you for that. Cheryl McCollums joining me, forensic expert

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Speaker 1: Zone seven podcast. Cheryl, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm looking at. What me and GEONI

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Speaker 1: is saying, the so called Ivy League assassin reminds me

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Speaker 1: at the Olympic bombing. You worked on the Olympic bombing

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Speaker 1: along with me, Eric Rudolph then setting off other bombs

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Speaker 1: And then of course we've got Ted Kazinski, we've got

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Speaker 1: And we heard it from his own mouth, just saying,

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Speaker 8: Sounds familiar, And you and I talked yesterday about the

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Speaker 8: seeing with this alleged killer is he cannot help himself.

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Speaker 9: The first thing that man said to him was don't

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Speaker 9: I believe that he's going to start sending letters to

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Speaker 1: Not only did I work the Eric Rudolph Olympic bombing

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Speaker 7: Luigi Mangoni has a two hundred and sixty two word

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Speaker 7: handwritten manifesto on him when he's arrested, and in it

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Speaker 7: leading up to the murder of CEO Brian Thompson. He's

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Speaker 1: Straight out to death. Investigator Professor of Forensics, Jacksonville State University,

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Speaker 1: where there is an incredible criminal justice program, author of

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Speaker 1: Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon and star of Body

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Speaker 1: Bags with Joseph Scott Moore to Joe Scott, the thought

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Speaker 1: of what a bomb could do. You know this when

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Speaker 1: Rudolph's other bombs went off at the abortion clinic, My

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Speaker 1: body count as a result of a bomb is immense.

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Speaker 1: describe what happens with a bomb, a homemade bomb. Now

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Speaker 1: you've got McVeigh who used fertilizer, but there are killing

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Speaker 1: Joe Scott, Well, in.

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Speaker 10: The approximating area where the concentric carrier where the bomb

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Speaker 10: There's still people walking around today, Nancy bearing the scars

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Speaker 10: Olympic bombing. You take that and you traumatize another place

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he had a rough Joe's got up there on

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Speaker 1: reports of a fingerprint match to Mangione from the scene.

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Speaker 6: Well, what I see is this leaning over and trying

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Speaker 6: You know what impresses me, Nancy, is that when somebody

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Speaker 1: I always loved it as a prosecutor when there was

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Speaker 11: If I'm the one representing them, not good at all.

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Speaker 1: And you know, the right demeanor and the right presentation

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Speaker 5: Spiral notebook is going to be even more devastating because

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Speaker 5: You whack the CEO at the annual parasitic bean counter convention.

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Speaker 1: To Guy DeAndrea, a veteran former felony prosecutor. Guy, can

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Speaker 1: we just parse those words? Listen to this? I mean,

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Speaker 1: The words exactly out of Mangioni's spiral notebook, and we're

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Speaker 6: Guy, what do you do with that as a as

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Speaker 11: Because as a prosecutor, it's amazing because it shows any

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Speaker 1: Let me throw a technical legal term at you, guy, DeAndrea,

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Speaker 1: Tom Ruskin, thank you for being with us. You know

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Speaker 1: You'd think a to do list would be gravy right

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Speaker 12: I think when we really haven't discussed here today and

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Speaker 12: Not to mention he was very careful in the way

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Speaker 12: The Zigfields Theater and alley way that's between them between

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Speaker 12: I think he also pre planned to lay down that

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Speaker 1: Was, A man is dead, gun down, shot in the back,

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Speaker 1: the father of two boys. But for some reason at

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Speaker 1: this hour, the alleged shooter of the so called Ivy

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Speaker 1: League Grad assassin is being glorified and the witnesses and

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Speaker 1: the police law enforcement on the case are being vilified.

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Speaker 7: Listen three McDonald's and Altoona, Pennsylvania are getting hammered online

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Speaker 7: by one star reviews and very derogatory comments after a

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Speaker 7: I hope obesity and heart disease are in network in PA.

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Speaker 7: Denied defend a post diarrhea at mcdone donald's. Another says,

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Speaker 7: written by poster Jordan A, this location has rats in

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Speaker 7: the kitchen that will make you sick and your insurance

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Speaker 7: service was terrible. Rats everywhere. The word rat, which can

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Speaker 1: Straight to You, Dave Mack joining me Crime Online dot

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Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter, there are no rats, actual rodents in McDonald's.

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Speaker 1: The witnesses, the elderly patrons spotted the alleged killer, and

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Speaker 1: the employee that called police. That's who they're referring to.

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Speaker 1: They're talking about them, calling them rats.

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Speaker 7: This is a shocking development, Nancy that for some reason

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Speaker 7: there's a whole generation of people that are seeing this

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Speaker 1: You know. Tom Ruskin joining me, former NYPD detective investigator,

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Speaker 1: do you remember when OJ Simpson Orenthal James Simpson was

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Speaker 12: Yes, and all the banners hanging from bridges and people

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Speaker 1: Did they not see the crime scene photos of Nicole

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Speaker 1: And they're going free OJ? Really right?

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Speaker 12: And let's not forget Daniel Goldvin and how brutally he

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Speaker 12: People see from a law enforcement standpoint, people see sometimes

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Speaker 12: that's not very well liked by a lot of people

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Speaker 12: in this country. That's not justification for shooting someone. It's

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Speaker 12: country as a hero. And the cops planting eight thousand dollars.

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Speaker 12: Most cops don't have eight thousand dollars in their savings account.

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Speaker 12: And you know the great work that the NYPD did

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Speaker 12: it together tracking his moves, being able to find the

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Speaker 12: wrapper that he ate of that health bar, the water,

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Speaker 12: the water bottle, and the bullet casings, which I believe

436
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Speaker 12: one of those items are the ones that will tie

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Speaker 12: to the print. Now that we have the suspect.

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Speaker 7: Some social media users are using the murder of United

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Speaker 7: Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson to make a statement by urging

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Speaker 7: potential jurors in a future trial of Luigi Mangoni to

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Speaker 7: acquit the alleged murderer even if they think he's guilty.

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Speaker 7: These so called gen z influencers are urging other social

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Speaker 7: media users to become familiar with jury nullification. This is

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Speaker 7: when a jury returns a not guilty verdict, even when

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Speaker 7: they believe the person is guilty.

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Speaker 1: Have they lost their minds? Already online a vast community

447
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Speaker 1: urging a future jury to acquit the so called Ivy

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Speaker 1: League grat assassin. Well, you know, it's not just that

449
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: you've got to hear niam h in iamh on TikTok.

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Speaker 1: Listen to this woman, to the people who are going.

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Speaker 13: To end up on that jury for that guy who

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Speaker 13: shut the CEO. They have econom yet, Just remember that

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Speaker 13: if all they have is circumstantial evidence and eyewitness reports,

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Speaker 13: you don't have to make that man guilty. Research shows

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Speaker 13: that eyewitness reports are the least reliable evidence in a courtroom.

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Speaker 13: You can make people believe they saw something that they didn't,

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Speaker 13: and you can make people think that they didn't see

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Speaker 13: something that they did.

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Speaker 2: You don't even need to bring up during qualification.

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Speaker 13: All you have to do is ask your fellow jury

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Speaker 13: members whether or not they remember the guy who served

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Speaker 13: them coffee two weeks ago. And if they can't give

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Speaker 13: you a good description, just say, how do we know

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Speaker 13: that they're given us a good description? Especially since this

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Speaker 13: van was covered head to doe.

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Speaker 1: We don't even know if it's a man.

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Speaker 13: How would we know, let that man go free.

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Speaker 1: Well, okay, now I've heard it all. I thought I

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Speaker 1: had already heard it all, but now I have heard

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Speaker 1: it all. That from Niam H on tik talk straight

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Speaker 1: out to Guy DeAndrea joining us. Former felony prosecutor now

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Speaker 1: civil attorney. Guy. She's talking about jury nullification, which is

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Speaker 1: what happened in the oj Simpson case. The jury said

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Speaker 1: not guilty because they were mad at some a few

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Speaker 1: select members of the LAPD.

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Speaker 11: Absolutely, Joel jury nullification is a real thing, and the

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Speaker 11: prosecutors in this case, if it goes to trial, must

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Speaker 11: make sure they have the right type of juror. And

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Speaker 11: this woman who was just talking about, how do you

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Speaker 11: remember the person who served you coffee two weeks ago?

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Speaker 11: It's so ridiculous and simplistic in its fall process. It's

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Speaker 11: not about if you remember someone a barrista who served

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Speaker 11: you coffee in the crowded coffee house.

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Speaker 1: It's did you.

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Speaker 11: See someone in a horrific event can kill someone. Those

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Speaker 11: two events are starkly different, and you don't need to

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Speaker 11: worry about eyewitness identification here. The physical evidence that we

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Speaker 11: were already learning about that was found on his person is.

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Speaker 1: Overwhelming also he was not covered head to toe niam H.

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Speaker 1: He took his mask down to eat in McDonald's in

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Speaker 1: a corner seat and that is when elderly patrons observed him.

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Speaker 1: There you go, he's not covered. And how do you

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Speaker 1: explain the kinky dink, the coincidence that he happened to

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Speaker 1: have a ghost gun, a manifesto, a spiral notebook and

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Speaker 1: a loose round which was a hall of point bullet.

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Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, very quickly before I forget about it,

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Speaker 1: explain what a hall of point bullet does when it

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Speaker 1: lodges in your stomach.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I've actually got one right here. If you can

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Speaker 10: look down the long axis as that the whole and

501
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Speaker 10: this is a non millimeter. What happens is is that

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Speaker 10: upon striking the target a nine millimeter for instance, it's

503
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Speaker 10: going to expand out almost twice the size. So what

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00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 10: you're looking for this to do is to do maximum

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Speaker 10: damage that it possibly can. As the little wings expand

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Speaker 10: into and it's going to cavitate through that area, It'll

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Speaker 10: rip through various vessels, organ systems, this sort of thing,

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Speaker 10: and it's almost to guarantee that the individual there's a

509
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Speaker 10: higher probability of the individual is going to wind up

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Speaker 10: fatally wounded.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Dave Mac joining me from

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Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com investigative reporter were talking earlier, Dave

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Speaker 1: Mac about banners hung from bridges when Simpson was holding

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Speaker 1: himself hostage and the infamous jeep chase, So the same thing.

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Speaker 1: It's like history repeating itself. It's happening here.

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Speaker 7: Even a little bit worse. Nancy, we know that Louis

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Speaker 7: gi Mangoni was the valedictorian at the exclusive Gilman School

518
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Speaker 7: for Boys in Baltimore, well less than twenty four hours

519
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 7: after the guy is arrested and charged over Interstate eighty

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00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 7: three southbound lanes in Baltimore, a huge banner that says denied, Defend, Depose,

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Speaker 7: free healthcare for all. I'm thinking about how the family

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00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 7: and loved ones of Brian Thompson are feeling when this

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Speaker 7: is the kind of support for the murderer, alleged murderer.

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Speaker 1: And believe it or not, an on air anchor caught

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Speaker 1: gawking salivating at a shirtless photo as she said of

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Speaker 1: attractive Luigi Mangoni and his fourteen pack, stating quote he

527
00:32:55,800 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: clearly went to the gym, even demanding that the control

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Speaker 1: room take down the banner so she could see MANGIONI

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Speaker 1: in full I guess without a shirt to you, just

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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, you were amazed about an article you read

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Speaker 1: demanding that Kim Kardashian come to the defense of Mangione.

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Speaker 1: What did you do?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I was, yeah, yeah. Actually, you know our friends

534
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Speaker 10: at Daily Mail, you know, I opened them up generally

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Speaker 10: every morning, you know, to take a look to see

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Speaker 10: what's going on. And there was in big headlines saying

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Speaker 10: that individuals are actually soliciting Kim Kardashian today to ask

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Speaker 10: her for money. So for this anti capitalist individual who

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00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 10: comes with a silver spoon, fully equipped, already packaged, they're

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Speaker 10: asking a billionaire to swoop in to his assistance to

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Speaker 10: provide monies going forward in order, I guess to put

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Speaker 10: up a defense for this guy. That there's no end

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Speaker 10: to this. Nancy, It's absolute, absolutely mind blowing you.

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Speaker 1: Now, I'm very taken aback by the public support of

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Speaker 1: an alleged assassin. Cheryl McCollum. We can amass all the

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Speaker 1: forensic evenance we want, apparently now fingerprints tying him. You

547
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Speaker 1: cannot beat a fingerprint unless you've got DNA and expect

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00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: they're going to have DNA matching him to a water

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00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 1: bottle there at the scene. If you have a groundswell

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Speaker 1: for vigilante justice, Nancy, I believe that is why these

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Speaker 1: news organizations that have the complete manifesto have not printed it.

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Speaker 8: If you remember back the zodiac, when you name certain

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Speaker 8: victims and you're going to say what you're going to

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Speaker 8: do to those victims, when and where and how, it's

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Speaker 8: a really good idea not to make that public because

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Speaker 8: of copycats and other people that might have, you know,

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Speaker 8: a desire to harm someone. So I believe the manifesto

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Speaker 8: includes a hit list. But I'm gonna tell you something

559
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 8: else about these folks that are champion. We saw it

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00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 8: in Delfa where people blamed the sister. They said that

561
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Speaker 8: law enforcement was corrupt. They walked around the courthouse saying free.

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Speaker 1: They attacked you and I for being at the I

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Speaker 1: don't know why, being in the in the courtroom and

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Speaker 1: stating we believe Richard Allen was the killer. They went haywire.

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Speaker 8: You're talking about a group of people that think Robin

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Speaker 8: Hood was real.

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Speaker 1: You know, I was just going to bring up Robinhood

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Speaker 1: to dtor Bethany Marshall, doctor Bethany Marshall's taco analyst and author,

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Speaker 1: joining us out of La Bethany before you start. You

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Speaker 1: do know Robin Hood was not real. It's just a movie.

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Speaker 1: It's just a story. There is no Friar Tuck. That's

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Speaker 1: not real. I do so here this guy, I means Jon.

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Speaker 1: He's being compared to Robin Hood, who, by the way,

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Speaker 1: even if he was real, never killed anybody, much less

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Speaker 1: an unarmed man by shooting him in the back.

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Speaker 6: And see, I think the more ideological people are, the

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Speaker 6: more they have a capacity for hatred. So let's look

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Speaker 6: at this through the lens of group psychology. People sometimes

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Speaker 6: align themselves with very rigid belief systems as a rationalization

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Speaker 6: for hurting other people. Think of Warren Jeffs of the

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Speaker 6: FLDS cult. I mean, they were basically raping children and women,

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Speaker 6: but they set themselves up as this very religious institution.

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Speaker 6: So I think all these people who are siding with

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Speaker 6: Luigi Mangioni are a group of people, and it's become

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Speaker 6: a group psychology where the ideology he's spouting, the hateful ideology,

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Speaker 6: is something that they identify.

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Speaker 1: With legal battle going on right now, take a listen

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Speaker 1: to Mangioni's defense attorney point.

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Speaker 14: Well, like I said, he's an American citizen. He's presumed innocent.

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Speaker 14: Let's not forget that. That's the number one premise of

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Speaker 14: our wonderful country ANYMO. That's what I want people to remember.

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Speaker 14: And we have the acres.

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Speaker 1: I'm ready to do that.

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Speaker 14: And that's what lawyers do and I'm proud of that.

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Speaker 14: And that's like I said, we didn't get nothing. There

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Speaker 14: was nothing in the courtroom.

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Speaker 1: If you were there, you saw me of Jack. I

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Speaker 1: need I need to see evidence. We're titled to see that,

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Speaker 1: and we need to see that. That's Thomas M. Dickey,

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Speaker 1: Luigi Mangioni's lawyer. That video from our forends at KATU.

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Speaker 1: This guy is a legal commentator. He was formerly in

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Speaker 1: the Blair County Public Defender's office, which means he's tried

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Speaker 1: a lot of cases. You can't be a prosecutor or

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Speaker 1: a public defender and not try a lot of cases

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Speaker 1: if you're in charge of a courtroom. To Christina Awayo

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Speaker 1: joining us from the National News Salem News Channel, Christina,

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Speaker 1: what happens now we know MANGIONI is fighting extradition, Yes.

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Speaker 11: We do.

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Speaker 5: Now we need to learn more, is what happens now.

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Speaker 5: We need to learn more about what's in that spiral notebook.

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Speaker 5: We need to learn more about the events. We need

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Speaker 5: to learn more about I think we know a lot

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Speaker 5: about his history and where he came from, but we

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00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 5: need to learn what tied all of this together. And

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Speaker 5: I think it all rests on when I initially heard

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Speaker 5: that he was a suspect. I searched his ex page

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Speaker 5: and you see this X ray of a spinal cord

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Speaker 5: with pins in it, and that's essentially the lynchpin for

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Speaker 5: all of this, I believe. So we need to learn

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Speaker 5: more about his mentality. We need to learn more about

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Speaker 5: why there is a big rush to support him. We

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Speaker 5: need to learn more about why this he committed, allegedly,

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Speaker 5: this crime in cold blood, so we could figure out

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Speaker 5: where we go from here, because it seems as though

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00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 5: we've lost humanity a little bit with the push. You

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Speaker 5: see it all over social media, Free Him, Free bro

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Speaker 5: Free Luigi. And as I was doing my research, I

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Speaker 5: contacted a couple of healthcare professionals in the mental health industry.

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Speaker 5: Why is there such a support for this guy, and

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Speaker 5: they said, basically, people like a bad boy. They're like

631
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Speaker 5: a bad boy with a good look, and they feel

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Speaker 5: like he's taking down the big companies and the healthcare companies.

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Speaker 5: It's basically a David and Goliath sort of a situation.

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Speaker 5: So we need to learn more about where where his

635
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 5: mentality is, why he allegedly did what he allegedly did,

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Speaker 5: and figure out how to prevent this in the future.

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Speaker 8: Nancy, can I jump in, yes?

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Speaker 1: Please do?

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Speaker 8: He is a walking contradiction. This kid cannot decide, Hey,

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Speaker 8: I'm rich, I come for money, but I hate people

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Speaker 8: that are agreed and have too much. He's a tech genius,

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00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,959
Speaker 8: but he uses a spiral notebook. He has a back

643
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Speaker 8: injury that is so severe he can't have sex, but

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00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 8: he can run and ride bikes and you know, ride

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00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 8: buses for five hours. He won't speak the police, yet

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Speaker 8: he has an outburst in front of fifteen of them.

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Speaker 8: He says in his manifesto he's not qualified to really

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Speaker 8: speak on it, but he qualified enough to murder somebody. Nancy.

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Speaker 8: He's a fan of the Unibomber, so I'll just quote

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Speaker 8: the Unibomber. I believe in nothing that sums up dis

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Speaker 8: alleged killer.

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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, You are so right. I do know that

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Speaker 1: the Blair County District Attorney does have his price already.

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Speaker 1: Straight Listen.

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Speaker 4: The Blair County charges are still active and we intend

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Speaker 4: on prosecuting them, but we also intend on cooperating with

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Speaker 4: the New York City Police Department in Manhattan DIA's office.

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Speaker 4: We've already indicated to them that we believe their charges

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Speaker 4: take precedent and we'll do what's necessary to accommodate their prosecution.

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Speaker 1: First that from our friends at Forbes, and I commend

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Speaker 1: Peter Weeks. It takes you know, a big person to

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Speaker 1: be humble. The charges in Manhattan are murder murder too.

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Speaker 1: To be specific. The charges in Pennsylvania, where Weeks is

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Speaker 1: a prosecutor, are charges connected to forgery and firearm. We

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Speaker 1: are waiting for this case to be transferred to Manhattan

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Speaker 1: in a court of law. This case is far from over.

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Speaker 1: Prosecutors are still building their cases now. With the social

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Speaker 1: media wave that is anti law enforcement, anti justice, many

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Speaker 1: people may not come forward. But if you know or

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Speaker 1: think you know anything about the movements of Mangione prior

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Speaker 1: to and after the execution style slay of Thompson. Please

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Speaker 1: dial toll free one eight hundred five seven seven tips

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Speaker 1: one eight hundred five seven seven eight four seven seven.

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Speaker 1: There is a sixty thousand dollars reward. We wait for

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Speaker 1: justice to unfold. Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,