WEBVTT - Tim Murtaugh - Why Trump Will Win in 2024 0:00:11.697 --> 0:00:14.977 You're listening to the Buck Sexton Show podcast, make sure 0:00:14.977 --> 0:00:17.977 you subscribe to the podcast on the iHeartRadio app or 0:00:18.017 --> 0:00:21.257 wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, everybody, welcome to the 0:00:21.257 --> 0:00:24.977 Buck Sexton Show. On this episode, our friend Tim Murtau 0:00:25.257 --> 0:00:30.657 is here. He was the Trump twenty twenty comms communications director. 0:00:31.057 --> 0:00:33.817 These days he's an executive vice president of comms for 0:00:33.977 --> 0:00:37.017 National Public Affairs, which is a political consulting firm, and 0:00:37.737 --> 0:00:41.617 he's got his own podcast. What is the podcast? Tim? 0:00:42.057 --> 0:00:45.177 Podcast is called the Line Drive Podcast, and you can 0:00:45.217 --> 0:00:47.417 find it wherever you get your podcasts. And it's a 0:00:47.457 --> 0:00:49.977 look at the dissection of the twenty twenty four race 0:00:50.097 --> 0:00:53.017 from some people who are inside the rooms when big 0:00:53.057 --> 0:00:56.737 decisions were happening on presidential campaigns, and we take a 0:00:56.737 --> 0:00:58.657 look at it and dissect it and tell you why 0:00:58.777 --> 0:01:00.497 candidates are doing what they're doing. 0:01:00.777 --> 0:01:02.617 I appreciate the chance to be able to plug that. Buck. 0:01:02.657 --> 0:01:04.657 Thanks the Line Drive Podcast. 0:01:04.457 --> 0:01:09.457 Of course. Now tell me how's this election going so far? 0:01:10.417 --> 0:01:12.897 You know you worked on twenty twenty for Trump. What 0:01:12.937 --> 0:01:15.217 are you seeing right now? And take it anywhere you want? 0:01:15.297 --> 0:01:17.617 Biden big picture? You know, what are you seeing? We're 0:01:17.617 --> 0:01:21.337 in the is the summer of twenty three, what's happening. 0:01:22.377 --> 0:01:25.257 Well, I don't think it would surprise anybody that my 0:01:25.377 --> 0:01:27.777 take is what everyone can see in the polls, that 0:01:27.817 --> 0:01:30.777 this is Donald Trump's nomination to lose, certainly, and he 0:01:30.777 --> 0:01:33.697 doesn't show any signs of loosening his grip on the nomination. 0:01:34.257 --> 0:01:37.057 And I think what is less talked about because that 0:01:37.417 --> 0:01:39.897 point's kind of obvious, I think, but what's less talked 0:01:39.897 --> 0:01:42.377 about is the fact that if you look at the 0:01:42.417 --> 0:01:46.257 publicly available evidence, the public polls that are out there, 0:01:46.657 --> 0:01:49.937 Donald Trump has been shown to be ahead in a 0:01:49.977 --> 0:01:52.497 matchup with Joe Biden in the general election in a 0:01:52.537 --> 0:01:55.097 couple of polls. Just in the last month, he's been 0:01:55.137 --> 0:01:59.017 ahead in several different national polls, beating Joe Biden. And 0:01:59.057 --> 0:02:03.217 that's important because in twenty sixteen, and especially in twenty twenty, 0:02:03.217 --> 0:02:05.657 where I was I was now on the twenty sixteen campaign, 0:02:05.657 --> 0:02:08.897 but let's talk about twenty twenty. In twenty twenty, Donald 0:02:08.937 --> 0:02:12.857 Trump was shown to be beating Joe Biden nationally in 0:02:12.897 --> 0:02:17.537 a public poll exactly zero times. And in just the 0:02:17.617 --> 0:02:19.737 last month, Donald Trump has been shown to be ahead 0:02:19.737 --> 0:02:22.337 of Joe Biden in several different national polls, and that 0:02:22.457 --> 0:02:25.017 is significant. And to me, that tells me that Donald 0:02:25.017 --> 0:02:26.657 Trump not only is he in great shape, which is 0:02:26.697 --> 0:02:29.537 obvious in the Republican primaries, but he's in a better 0:02:29.577 --> 0:02:33.137 position today against his likely Democrat opponent in a general 0:02:33.177 --> 0:02:36.817 election than he ever was in twenty twenty or twenty sixteen. 0:02:37.097 --> 0:02:41.137 Why is that, Well, I think it's a lot of things. 0:02:41.137 --> 0:02:44.057 The economy is really hurting Joe Biden. And you know, 0:02:44.097 --> 0:02:46.497 the White House will tell you, oh, everything is fantastic. 0:02:46.537 --> 0:02:49.017 The economy is coming back, and we've added all these jobs. 0:02:49.217 --> 0:02:51.177 And of course that's sleight of hand because those are 0:02:51.297 --> 0:02:54.977 jobs that are returning because of the opening up of 0:02:54.977 --> 0:02:58.057 the economy again after the pandemic has passed us. But 0:02:58.137 --> 0:03:01.377 then you have the I mean, scandal after scandal after scandal, 0:03:01.497 --> 0:03:04.497 and I think that the media, try as they might, 0:03:04.577 --> 0:03:08.177 has tried to protect Joe Biden from this. But Joe Biden, 0:03:08.297 --> 0:03:10.817 I think to the average voter and his approval numbers 0:03:10.857 --> 0:03:15.057 bear this out. He looks like a weak, ineffective old 0:03:15.257 --> 0:03:18.657 president who just isn't up to the job. And I think, 0:03:18.697 --> 0:03:21.777 now this Hunter Biden stuff, the Devin Archer testimony of 0:03:21.817 --> 0:03:24.777 the other day, is going to really really hurt Joe 0:03:24.777 --> 0:03:27.737 Biden because now they've got the media in position where 0:03:27.897 --> 0:03:31.377 you just can't ignore this anymore. They ignored the laptop 0:03:31.417 --> 0:03:33.697 and everything that was contained in it for a long 0:03:33.817 --> 0:03:36.417 long time, and they just can't do it anymore. These 0:03:36.457 --> 0:03:38.977 allegations and the facts that Devin Archer brought to the 0:03:38.977 --> 0:03:41.377 table the other day in his testimony, they're just they're 0:03:41.417 --> 0:03:44.217 so explosive that not even the New York Times or 0:03:44.297 --> 0:03:45.337 CNN can ignore it. 0:03:46.497 --> 0:03:50.297 So this is now where I have to ask you 0:03:51.497 --> 0:03:52.777 what happened in twenty twenty? 0:03:52.817 --> 0:03:52.977 Man? 0:03:53.097 --> 0:03:55.977 You were on the campaign? Whatten? Now that we have 0:03:56.097 --> 0:03:59.497 all the fullness of time or whatever has passed and 0:04:00.137 --> 0:04:05.177 we have plenty of ability to look back and understand, 0:04:05.417 --> 0:04:08.097 because I think that one of the challenges some people 0:04:08.177 --> 0:04:10.657 might have on the conservative side, on the publican side 0:04:10.697 --> 0:04:13.137 of things is if they could cheat in twenty twenty, 0:04:13.217 --> 0:04:15.057 why would it be different? Now? That's always the question 0:04:15.097 --> 0:04:17.057 that I wonder, you know, or if they could rigate, 0:04:17.097 --> 0:04:19.537 if they could pull that off, you know what I mean? Like, 0:04:19.737 --> 0:04:21.137 why should we believe it's any different? 0:04:21.137 --> 0:04:21.257 Now? 0:04:21.257 --> 0:04:23.057 What do you say you were part of twenty twenty? 0:04:23.257 --> 0:04:24.977 Why is twenty twenty four going to be different. 0:04:25.617 --> 0:04:27.897 Yeah, Look, if you look back at what was happening 0:04:28.017 --> 0:04:29.857 the lead up to twenty twenty, and it started in 0:04:29.857 --> 0:04:33.137 twenty nineteen. You know, the Democrats, led by Mark Elias, 0:04:33.137 --> 0:04:35.937 their lawyer, they were in court in states all across 0:04:35.937 --> 0:04:40.017 the country trying to loosen protections for safe campaigns and 0:04:40.057 --> 0:04:42.937 safe elections all over the place. And I do think 0:04:42.937 --> 0:04:46.177 that the Democrats had a far better operation to take 0:04:46.177 --> 0:04:48.577 advantage of laws in certain states where you're allowed to 0:04:48.617 --> 0:04:51.137 ballot harvest. And they certainly did a better job of 0:04:51.257 --> 0:04:54.257 turning out mail in ballots because they were much more 0:04:54.297 --> 0:04:57.537 widely used. And you know, it was frustrating to me. 0:04:57.697 --> 0:05:02.257 I honestly, I never saw enough evidence of actual fraud 0:05:02.377 --> 0:05:04.497 that would have made a difference. However, if you look 0:05:04.497 --> 0:05:06.977 at Pennsylvania for the first time, two and a half 0:05:07.057 --> 0:05:10.457 million people voted by mail in Pennsylvania, and its really 0:05:10.457 --> 0:05:12.897 hard for me to believe that every single one of 0:05:12.937 --> 0:05:15.337 those two and a half million votes that were cast 0:05:15.377 --> 0:05:17.857 by mail were actually cast by the people whose name 0:05:17.937 --> 0:05:19.737 was on the envelope. You know, do all two and 0:05:19.777 --> 0:05:21.857 a half million people know that they voted in that election? 0:05:22.017 --> 0:05:22.457 I don't know. 0:05:22.537 --> 0:05:23.977 And it's not something that we're ever going to be 0:05:23.977 --> 0:05:27.337 able to prove. So I think that Republicans have a 0:05:27.377 --> 0:05:31.097 better idea now of how to you have to actually 0:05:31.137 --> 0:05:34.217 operate under the laws, then do the voting as they're 0:05:34.417 --> 0:05:36.857 allowed by law. A lot of our folks, a lot 0:05:36.897 --> 0:05:39.537 of our voters, want to fight on principle, and that's fine. 0:05:39.577 --> 0:05:42.177 I understand that. And they don't like mail in voting. 0:05:42.217 --> 0:05:45.937 They don't like ballot harvesting because they are avenues for fraud. 0:05:45.937 --> 0:05:46.537 That's true. 0:05:46.817 --> 0:05:49.217 But where it is permissible by law, it is silly 0:05:49.217 --> 0:05:51.257 to fight with one hand tied behind your back, because 0:05:51.257 --> 0:05:53.177 you know the Democrats are going to do what's allowed 0:05:53.177 --> 0:05:55.257 by law, and they're going to exploit those laws, and 0:05:55.297 --> 0:05:58.057 so the Republicans have to play those same games now. 0:05:58.097 --> 0:06:01.337 Aside from those sorts of things, you know, I think 0:06:01.737 --> 0:06:05.697 it really was an unprecedented race with a global pandemic, 0:06:05.777 --> 0:06:09.817 I think, absent the pandemic before things actually had to 0:06:09.857 --> 0:06:13.137 get shut down. I feel like the President Trump was 0:06:13.177 --> 0:06:16.017 headed towards not an easy re election, but I think 0:06:16.177 --> 0:06:18.657 a re election that was going to come in. I 0:06:18.657 --> 0:06:20.817 think exactly as we had it planned. He was going 0:06:20.817 --> 0:06:23.977 to ride the economy. The economy was really unprecedented. It 0:06:24.017 --> 0:06:26.817 was so strong, it was going gangbusters, and there really 0:06:26.817 --> 0:06:28.857 weren't going to be a lot of things that Democrats 0:06:28.857 --> 0:06:31.857 could do to shoot down all of the accomplishments of 0:06:31.897 --> 0:06:34.977 the Trump administration. COVID presented a couple of things. It 0:06:35.017 --> 0:06:37.897 gave the media something that they could use to beat 0:06:37.977 --> 0:06:40.737 Donald Trump over the head with every single day and 0:06:40.777 --> 0:06:44.337 somehow say that a global pandemic that affected every single 0:06:44.417 --> 0:06:48.737 country on Earth was somehow the fault of one American leader, 0:06:48.977 --> 0:06:51.817 which is preposterous, but that's what they did, and it 0:06:51.857 --> 0:06:54.857 gave Joe Biden the easy excuse to never ever go 0:06:54.977 --> 0:06:58.577 out and campaign and keep probably the worst candidate in 0:06:58.617 --> 0:07:02.057 our lifetimes off the campaign trail and have a legitimate 0:07:02.097 --> 0:07:04.257 reason for that to be the case. So I think 0:07:04.297 --> 0:07:05.697 there were a lot of things that went on in 0:07:05.737 --> 0:07:09.057 twenty twenty, and despite all of it, the media loves 0:07:09.097 --> 0:07:12.417 to talk about how close twenty sixteen was. Twenty sixteen 0:07:12.617 --> 0:07:15.057 was a race that was decided by about eighty eight 0:07:15.097 --> 0:07:18.297 thousand votes in three states, eighty eight thousand votes spread 0:07:18.297 --> 0:07:22.697 across three states. Twenty twenty was even closer than that, 0:07:22.897 --> 0:07:26.497 less than forty four thousand votes spread across three other states, 0:07:26.577 --> 0:07:30.057 So it was about half again as twice as close 0:07:30.097 --> 0:07:32.497 as it was in twenty sixteen. But somehow the fact 0:07:32.577 --> 0:07:34.657 that the closeness of the twenty twenty race is not 0:07:34.697 --> 0:07:38.057 something that anybody discusses. But it was razor thin. It's 0:07:38.057 --> 0:07:40.177 going to be razor thin again. I think you're going 0:07:40.257 --> 0:07:43.697 to see another tight race that is decided by very 0:07:43.697 --> 0:07:47.257 small margins in a handful of different states across the country. 0:07:47.257 --> 0:07:48.177 It's going to be tight again. 0:07:49.337 --> 0:07:54.857 How formidable is the Democrat election apparatus that was able 0:07:54.937 --> 0:07:57.577 to with all the factors you identified and everything else? 0:07:58.857 --> 0:08:01.537 Push forward? I would say, wheel forward in some ways, 0:08:01.817 --> 0:08:05.417 Joe Biden into the White House? What do they do right? 0:08:05.537 --> 0:08:05.697 You know? 0:08:05.897 --> 0:08:08.737 Where where should we learn from our enemies? So to speak? 0:08:10.097 --> 0:08:13.577 Well, they just they unabashedly crank out the votes. This 0:08:13.697 --> 0:08:16.937 is not you know, it's less of a messaging game now. 0:08:17.017 --> 0:08:19.177 And TV ads are still important and the message of 0:08:19.177 --> 0:08:21.617 the campaign is important, and the day to day fight 0:08:21.737 --> 0:08:25.257 is all very important, but it's less about persuading people 0:08:25.457 --> 0:08:29.417 these days as it is about just producing votes, and 0:08:29.577 --> 0:08:32.817 many times that means you know, actual the actual function 0:08:33.017 --> 0:08:35.897 of going around getting people to fill out their ballots, 0:08:35.977 --> 0:08:38.417 sign their names, and where it's permissible, even some places 0:08:38.457 --> 0:08:41.577 where it's not, what's called ballot harvesting, which is, say, 0:08:41.657 --> 0:08:43.537 for example, what Democrats love to do is you go 0:08:43.617 --> 0:08:46.497 into a nursing home and let's say there's three hundred 0:08:46.537 --> 0:08:49.057 and fifty residents of this nursing home. You get all 0:08:49.097 --> 0:08:51.057 of them to fill out their ballots, and then one 0:08:51.097 --> 0:08:53.857 person can carry all three hundred and fifty of those 0:08:53.897 --> 0:08:56.297 ballots and go put them in a drop box somewhere. 0:08:56.537 --> 0:08:58.697 I mean, if that is not the obvious opportunity for 0:08:58.777 --> 0:09:00.937 fraud in voting, then I don't know what a better 0:09:01.057 --> 0:09:04.497 example would possibly be. However, that is permissible under the 0:09:04.577 --> 0:09:07.377 law in many many states, and Democrats do a much 0:09:07.417 --> 0:09:12.657 better job, i'd say, vloiding the laws and doing what 0:09:12.697 --> 0:09:15.857 the law allows, and in many cases probably pushing the envelope. 0:09:15.977 --> 0:09:19.497 But where it's where they are much better and much 0:09:19.537 --> 0:09:22.857 more organized, and they don't have any opposition from within 0:09:22.937 --> 0:09:26.657 their own party to choosing those methods of voting. I 0:09:26.657 --> 0:09:29.177 think a lot of our people, as I said, on principle, 0:09:29.257 --> 0:09:31.777 and I think they're right that they don't want to 0:09:31.817 --> 0:09:35.097 do the things that are ripe for fraud. However, the 0:09:35.137 --> 0:09:36.817 other side's going to do it, and if you lay 0:09:36.857 --> 0:09:39.497 down your weapon while the other side still has their weapon, 0:09:39.737 --> 0:09:42.457 then you've disarmed yourself and you're at a distinct disadvantage. 0:09:42.457 --> 0:09:45.457 They're just better at it. They do it with no remorse, 0:09:45.577 --> 0:09:47.457 I think, I guess that's probably the best way to 0:09:47.497 --> 0:09:47.777 say it. 0:09:48.057 --> 0:09:51.057 So they're ruthless. The things I learned from Democrats is 0:09:51.057 --> 0:09:53.857 they're utterly ruthless in their pursuit of power, and they 0:09:53.897 --> 0:09:59.377 have no compunction about playing dirty. And maybe there's something 0:09:59.737 --> 0:10:01.217 something to be said for that. We'll come back in 0:10:01.257 --> 0:10:03.937 a second. Speaking of playing dirty, the indictments against Donald Trump, 0:10:04.897 --> 0:10:08.937 including the latest j six federal indictment. I want to 0:10:08.977 --> 0:10:11.937 talk to mister m We're ta here about that in 0:10:12.017 --> 0:10:13.657 just a second. But you know, what we've learned recently 0:10:13.777 --> 0:10:17.017 is just how fragile our banking system is, how important 0:10:17.057 --> 0:10:19.617 it is to protect your life savings, and why have 0:10:19.657 --> 0:10:21.617 it at all in cash may not be a great decision. 0:10:21.777 --> 0:10:24.657 Owning a good sized amount of gold, something that's reasonable 0:10:24.657 --> 0:10:27.577 for your portfolio, and maybe some silver could be a 0:10:27.617 --> 0:10:29.697 really smart thing to do to make sure that you 0:10:29.737 --> 0:10:32.577 are diversified and your savings are protected. If you've been 0:10:32.577 --> 0:10:34.537 on the fence about such an investment. Now's the time 0:10:34.577 --> 0:10:36.377 to act and call the people I work with at 0:10:36.417 --> 0:10:39.257 the Oxford Gold Group. Gold and silver can be the 0:10:39.297 --> 0:10:42.257 protection for your portfolio. Can also be used as currency too. 0:10:42.577 --> 0:10:45.217 We may well need both when things get crazy out 0:10:45.217 --> 0:10:46.817 there in the economy. Who knows where it's all going 0:10:46.897 --> 0:10:49.137 to go. You want to have some diversification. Now, have 0:10:49.217 --> 0:10:52.697 some gold and silver on hand. Call the Oxford Gold Group. 0:10:52.697 --> 0:10:54.217 It's who I use, it's who I trust. The call 0:10:54.337 --> 0:10:56.057 is free, and the people on the receiving end are 0:10:56.097 --> 0:11:00.377 knowledgeable and trustworthy. Eight three to three seven zero seven gold. 0:11:00.497 --> 0:11:05.377 Eight three three seven zero seven gold. They make it easy. 0:11:05.377 --> 0:11:07.097 They've been at this a long time. They can range 0:11:07.097 --> 0:11:11.577 for easy discrete delivery to your home three three seven 0:11:11.737 --> 0:11:19.017 zero seven gold. Tim can Trump fight through all these indictments? 0:11:18.697 --> 0:11:22.057 Is that? Is that possible? What do you think happens here? 0:11:22.817 --> 0:11:25.097 Well, I mean, look there, it's two different questions. Right. 0:11:25.137 --> 0:11:28.017 There's the legal question, which is that he's actually facing 0:11:28.097 --> 0:11:31.377 criminal charges and he is in pretty significant legal jeopardy. 0:11:31.657 --> 0:11:33.697 That I am not a lawyer. I'm certainly not a 0:11:33.697 --> 0:11:35.737 criminal lawyer, not a lawyer of any kind. So I 0:11:35.777 --> 0:11:38.817 think the legal questions about what he's facing in the 0:11:38.817 --> 0:11:43.257 criminal justice system are our question for someone else. Politically, However, 0:11:44.297 --> 0:11:47.737 in the terms of the Republican primaries, here, I think 0:11:48.017 --> 0:11:50.457 it goes without saying really because everyone can see the 0:11:50.457 --> 0:11:54.497 evidence that all of these indictments actually help him politically 0:11:54.537 --> 0:11:57.177 in the Republican primary. So I mean, by now it's 0:11:57.257 --> 0:11:59.537 kind of background noise. And I think this next one, 0:11:59.777 --> 0:12:02.657 the January sixth indictment, is going to be I think 0:12:02.857 --> 0:12:06.377 even more apparently political, at least to the Republicans who 0:12:06.377 --> 0:12:09.577 are watching, because they're going to be indicting him based 0:12:09.617 --> 0:12:12.257 on the behavehavior of other people who are not him, 0:12:12.977 --> 0:12:14.657 And so I think a lot of people will see 0:12:14.697 --> 0:12:16.857 that as just as political as all the rest of them. 0:12:17.377 --> 0:12:20.377 But here's the situation. This is how you know that 0:12:20.497 --> 0:12:24.217 it is rebounding to Donald Trump's favor is that most 0:12:24.217 --> 0:12:26.457 of the Republicans who are in the field running for 0:12:26.497 --> 0:12:28.897 president who are not the ones who are just openly 0:12:28.937 --> 0:12:31.737 attacking him every single day, like Chris Christy or Asa 0:12:31.777 --> 0:12:35.657 Hutchinson everyone else, every time an indictment happens, or every 0:12:35.657 --> 0:12:39.097 time someone on the left or in the Biden administration 0:12:39.217 --> 0:12:42.217 attacks Donald Trump with the apparatus of the federal government. 0:12:42.497 --> 0:12:45.937 Every single time, most of them have to defend Donald 0:12:45.937 --> 0:12:47.817 Trump in some way. And it goes all the way 0:12:47.897 --> 0:12:51.417 up to vivek Ramaswami, who during one of the indictments, 0:12:51.577 --> 0:12:54.337 actually stood outside the courthouse where the grand jury was 0:12:54.337 --> 0:12:57.777 meeting and held a press conference and promised to pardon 0:12:57.857 --> 0:13:01.577 Donald Trump if he ever became president himself. Of vivek 0:13:01.697 --> 0:13:03.977 Ramaswami said that, And really the only way that you 0:13:04.017 --> 0:13:07.817 can tell that vivek Ramaswami is not endorsing Donald Trump 0:13:07.857 --> 0:13:10.617 is that he maintains that he's a candidate for president himself. 0:13:11.417 --> 0:13:14.257 And you know, there are others who attack the DOJ 0:13:14.417 --> 0:13:17.297 and they attack the politicization of the federal government, the 0:13:17.337 --> 0:13:20.337 weaponization of the federal government. They don't necessarily stick up 0:13:20.377 --> 0:13:23.457 for Donald Trump, but they attack the attackers. And so 0:13:23.497 --> 0:13:27.937 it's a very complicated political pretzel for the people who 0:13:27.937 --> 0:13:30.697 are running sort of with one foot in the Donald 0:13:30.697 --> 0:13:33.617 Trump lane. They don't want to attack Donald Trump because 0:13:33.617 --> 0:13:36.417 they need to be able to attract his supporters. And 0:13:36.457 --> 0:13:38.497 as you have seen over the course of the last 0:13:38.977 --> 0:13:41.897 number of years here in American politics, when Donald Trump 0:13:41.937 --> 0:13:45.977 is attacked, his supporters feel as though they themselves are 0:13:45.977 --> 0:13:49.617 being attacked as well. And obviously the political opponents and 0:13:49.617 --> 0:13:52.657 the Republican primaries know that, and they are treading very lightly. 0:13:52.897 --> 0:13:55.337 And I don't think that any of them can really 0:13:55.377 --> 0:13:57.977 figure out exactly how to handle these things when they 0:13:58.057 --> 0:14:01.177 keep happening. And this latest indictment will be another example 0:14:01.217 --> 0:14:01.697 of all that. 0:14:02.537 --> 0:14:08.097 What do you make of the theory that's out there 0:14:08.137 --> 0:14:10.977 that Democrats are throwing all these arts at Trump to 0:14:11.057 --> 0:14:14.257 make him the candidate for the Republicans so that he'll 0:14:14.297 --> 0:14:17.257 win the primary, but then he'll be weakened and lose 0:14:17.297 --> 0:14:17.817 the general. 0:14:19.057 --> 0:14:20.857 Well, you know, look, we dealt with. 0:14:20.817 --> 0:14:23.657 Some of that during the twenty twenty race before Joe 0:14:23.697 --> 0:14:26.737 Biden became the candidate. If we attacked Joe Biden one day, 0:14:27.017 --> 0:14:29.537 people said, oh my gosh, they're attacking Biden. They're trying 0:14:29.577 --> 0:14:32.617 to elevate Biden. Therefore they want Biden to be the candidate. 0:14:32.817 --> 0:14:36.497 Sometimes we attacked Pete Boodajete, you know, or Bernie Sanders, 0:14:36.537 --> 0:14:38.417 and so what was the answer for that. Sometimes you 0:14:38.497 --> 0:14:41.617 just you level attacks on people with the information that 0:14:41.697 --> 0:14:45.937 you have handy. I'm not sure maybe the Democrats that 0:14:46.137 --> 0:14:48.177 is their game plan that they want Donald Trump to 0:14:48.177 --> 0:14:51.377 be their opponent. But as I just said, we've seen 0:14:51.457 --> 0:14:54.657 now a series of national polls that have Joe Biden 0:14:54.697 --> 0:14:57.177 in front. I'm sorry, I have Donald Trump in front 0:14:57.537 --> 0:15:00.337 of Joe Biden in a national head to head general 0:15:00.377 --> 0:15:04.697 election matchup, which never occurred in any public polls in 0:15:04.777 --> 0:15:07.857 twenty twenty. And I think maybe you're starting to see 0:15:07.897 --> 0:15:10.817 some of the Democrats changing their mind and thinking, maybe 0:15:10.857 --> 0:15:12.937 we're not too sure that we want Donald Trump. They've 0:15:12.937 --> 0:15:15.817 been they've been focusing a lot more on Ron De Santis. 0:15:15.817 --> 0:15:19.457 You have this big skirmish that Kamala Harris entered over 0:15:19.537 --> 0:15:23.457 these new educational standards in Florida, and Kamala Harris went 0:15:23.457 --> 0:15:26.697 at Ron De Santis, I mean, full bore. She could 0:15:26.737 --> 0:15:30.337 hardly attack him any harder. So, you know, I think 0:15:30.377 --> 0:15:33.817 it's they're showing signs that they're not exactly sure who 0:15:33.817 --> 0:15:37.057 they want to run against now, certainly using what people 0:15:37.097 --> 0:15:41.377 are calling lawfair warfare through the law against Donald Trump 0:15:41.617 --> 0:15:44.137 as a key indicator that I think that they're trying 0:15:44.177 --> 0:15:46.737 to make sure that if he is the Republican nominee, 0:15:46.937 --> 0:15:49.657 that he's as damaged as possible going into the general 0:15:49.697 --> 0:15:52.257 election and perhaps they still do want him as the opponent, 0:15:52.537 --> 0:15:54.777 but I'm not sure that the public evidence shows that 0:15:54.817 --> 0:15:56.817 it would be a slam dunk for Joe Biden or 0:15:56.857 --> 0:15:59.817 anybody else should Donald Trump be the nominee. 0:16:00.257 --> 0:16:04.697 I want to ask what it is or how you'd 0:16:04.697 --> 0:16:08.537 make the case for an independent voter, let's say, a 0:16:08.577 --> 0:16:12.257 swing voter, independent in some of these key states, why 0:16:12.297 --> 0:16:14.537 they would vote for Trump this time in twenty twenty 0:16:14.537 --> 0:16:17.777 four if they didn't in twenty twenty. 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First, let me preface 0:17:26.137 --> 0:17:29.337 this by saying National Public Affairs, which is the consulting 0:17:29.337 --> 0:17:31.417 firm where I work, we're not affiliated with any of 0:17:31.417 --> 0:17:34.057 the candidates. So I want to make that clear in 0:17:34.137 --> 0:17:36.537 case anybody from one of the other campaigns says, hey, 0:17:36.617 --> 0:17:38.657 that's not fair having that guy on. We're not being 0:17:38.697 --> 0:17:41.617 paid or working for any of those campaigns. But if 0:17:41.657 --> 0:17:44.417 I were going to try to message to independent voters 0:17:44.457 --> 0:17:46.337 to get them to vote for Trump in twenty twenty 0:17:46.377 --> 0:17:48.897 four if they did not support him in twenty twenty, 0:17:50.377 --> 0:17:53.697 I would first I would again remind them that twenty 0:17:53.737 --> 0:17:55.417 twenty was sort of a unicorn. 0:17:55.097 --> 0:17:57.217 Election year because of because it was. 0:17:57.937 --> 0:18:01.497 Really under the most extreme circumstances and unprecedented circumstances that 0:18:01.537 --> 0:18:04.097 anyone has ever seen an election occur in. But I 0:18:04.097 --> 0:18:06.537 would remember, or I would remind them of what life 0:18:06.537 --> 0:18:09.097 in the United States was like prior to the pandemic 0:18:09.137 --> 0:18:13.737 coming one of the best economies ever recorded for this country, 0:18:13.777 --> 0:18:16.057 and that means one of the best economies in world history. 0:18:16.097 --> 0:18:17.937 And that was all due to the Trump tax cuts 0:18:18.137 --> 0:18:20.377 getting government largely out of the way. I think one 0:18:20.377 --> 0:18:24.177 of the un heralded things in the Trump administration was 0:18:24.217 --> 0:18:27.257 the reduction in government red tape and the reducing of 0:18:27.497 --> 0:18:31.177 federal regulations, getting government and the EPA in particular, out 0:18:31.177 --> 0:18:34.337 of the way. We were energy independent. We were producing 0:18:34.417 --> 0:18:38.777 more energy here at home than we were having to import, 0:18:38.817 --> 0:18:42.297 and we were actually becoming a net energy exporter for 0:18:42.337 --> 0:18:44.977 the first time I think about five decades. And that 0:18:45.017 --> 0:18:48.537 was all due to the Trump policies the border, the 0:18:48.577 --> 0:18:50.337 cracking down on illegal immigration. 0:18:51.097 --> 0:18:51.697 I think the. 0:18:51.657 --> 0:18:54.337 Effects of that were obvious and you can see that 0:18:54.417 --> 0:18:57.417 Joe Biden and the Democrats have completely reversed that you 0:18:57.457 --> 0:19:00.817 didn't have illegal immigrants coming to the border wearing Donald 0:19:00.897 --> 0:19:03.217 Trump T shirts the way that they come to the 0:19:03.217 --> 0:19:06.497 border wearing Joe Biden T shirts and telling reporters we 0:19:06.537 --> 0:19:09.097 came here because Joe Biden said he would let us in. 0:19:10.137 --> 0:19:12.657 That you have to remind people of all of the 0:19:12.697 --> 0:19:15.897 tremendous things that the Trump administration did. It all gets 0:19:15.897 --> 0:19:19.137 all caught up in the hoopla, and people remember the pandemic, 0:19:19.177 --> 0:19:21.137 and people talk about the nasty tweets and now we 0:19:21.177 --> 0:19:23.377 have and that's the reason why they're doing all these 0:19:23.417 --> 0:19:26.257 indictments and all the law fair against President Trump. But 0:19:26.457 --> 0:19:29.017 I think it's incumbent upon the campaign to remind folks 0:19:29.297 --> 0:19:31.777 this is how it was, and these are the policies 0:19:31.817 --> 0:19:35.137 that you liked, because most Americans did like those policies, 0:19:35.137 --> 0:19:36.257 and you have to remind them of them. 0:19:37.417 --> 0:19:40.417 Tim Merch to everybody. Tim the Line Drive podcast right. 0:19:41.177 --> 0:19:44.617 Line Drive podcast available wherever you get your podcasts, and 0:19:44.817 --> 0:19:46.897 we take a look at It's me Sonny joy Nelson 0:19:46.937 --> 0:19:49.857 from the campaign and Hogan Gidley, formerly of the White 0:19:49.857 --> 0:19:51.857 House and of the campaign, and we talk about the 0:19:51.897 --> 0:19:53.937 news of the day, and we dissect it from a 0:19:53.977 --> 0:19:56.017 perspective of people who were in the room when all 0:19:56.017 --> 0:19:57.137 those big decisions happen. 0:19:58.177 --> 0:20:01.257 You know, Sonny Joy, you know, you got to ask her. 0:20:01.297 --> 0:20:04.017