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Speaker 2: Wake that ass up in the morning.
Speaker 1: Breakfast Club Morning, everybody is dej nvjess hilarious, charlamage the
Speaker 1: guy we are the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 3: We got a special guest in the building, the legend
Speaker 3: de Hardes.
Speaker 2: What what Welcome back, Let's go, Let's go now you're
Speaker 2: feeling feeling good. Bro, I've been running around New York
Speaker 2: promoting the Shy Lot about the tour, talking them about
Speaker 2: some glasses.
Speaker 4: Your own line of the Wayne Wayne flip up glasses
Speaker 4: about it's.
Speaker 2: About time because because we can give it back a
Speaker 2: little bit. Okay, we can put it into a scholarship fund.
Speaker 2: If we sell them, we help somebody go to school
Speaker 2: and learn. It seemed like a good idea. This guy here,
Speaker 2: I said, you ever wanted to do a glasses line?
Speaker 2: I was like yeah. And then we found these girls
Speaker 2: in Brooklyn, Brooklyn stand up. Vontel is the name of
Speaker 2: the company, Tracy and Nancy, and they make glasses and
Speaker 2: they sell glasses. And we pair it up with them,
Speaker 2: and I told them about exactly how I wanted them,
Speaker 2: what I wanted them to do, and they made it happen.
Speaker 5: You popular popularized that style. It's not even absolutely, not
Speaker 5: even close.
Speaker 3: But how can we how can we order? The first
Speaker 3: of all, because I gotta order. I gotta support.
Speaker 2: Montel dot com.
Speaker 3: You got some pants over there.
Speaker 5: Let me say that.
Speaker 6: What I'm talking about they only got over You got
Speaker 6: your own glass company.
Speaker 5: You have someone now, but they're not together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yes, magnetic. Okay, I said it a magnetic Yeah,
Speaker 2: like you know you just oh, okay, you fly fly?
Speaker 3: Why try?
Speaker 5: Maybe you know the big when you started wearing these
Speaker 5: with the for prescription or you just was trying to
Speaker 5: look cool.
Speaker 2: No executive producer at the time. Okay, And beast who's
Speaker 2: passed away rest in peace. She saw him in a
Speaker 2: David Bowie concert and she came to me two days
Speaker 2: before we taped anything because I was added to the
Speaker 2: show after about four episodes were shot, so they had
Speaker 2: to kind of shoot us. And then the sin She
Speaker 2: came to me two days before we shot and had
Speaker 2: these glasses and it was like, I saw these in
Speaker 2: a David Bowie concert. Bass player somebody had them on.
Speaker 2: Would you like to wear these? You could work them in?
Speaker 2: And I thought, at the time, I thought the character
Speaker 2: was so corny. I just wanted to hide. This was
Speaker 2: the perfect little boom I could just if I if
Speaker 2: I didn't think a joke could work, if I didn't
Speaker 2: like what I was doing, I could flip them down
Speaker 2: and hopefully nobody would recognized me. I could go and
Speaker 2: have a career afterwards. And now I look and look
Speaker 2: at this, it's dope.
Speaker 3: Tell them again how they can get him if they want.
Speaker 2: To order them. Bontel dot com.
Speaker 3: Bonteil dot com.
Speaker 2: D E E M E D.
Speaker 5: That's the name of the glasses Wayne Wayne Glasses.
Speaker 4: I saw recently y'all did, Dwayne And yeah, yeah, got
Speaker 4: your naked Dean Harrison right there.
Speaker 2: We signed. This is a little limited edition.
Speaker 5: Now. I saw y'all did a White House visit recently.
Speaker 5: Whole cast of the different world.
Speaker 2: That was wild. I'm more comfortable at Comic Con actually,
Speaker 2: but they they they invited us and and Darryl Bell,
Speaker 2: who is our team leader, hooked this all up and
Speaker 2: got us in and and I was surprised at how
Speaker 2: overwhelmed I was, because at first I thought this is
Speaker 2: gonna be high security robots standing everywhere, It's gonna be crazy.
Speaker 2: And it was just people in the building, just regular
Speaker 2: people in the building going to work. And then the
Speaker 2: whole fact that is the house that slaves building. And
Speaker 2: then she was so warm and Vice yeah, Adam, vice
Speaker 2: president uh receptive to us and knew who we were. Yea, yeah,
Speaker 2: but you don't you know what I mean, when you
Speaker 2: do the gig, you don't really think everybody's paying attention.
Speaker 2: You hear from people and you know they paying attention,
Speaker 2: but you don't really think the whole planet is playing attention.
Speaker 2: But yeah, she cleared the room and gave us a
Speaker 2: good fifteen minutes and talked to us normal, and yeah,
Speaker 2: she was just dope. It was it was like I said, man,
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't want to go to White House.
Speaker 2: What am I going to do in the White House.
Speaker 2: Let's go to comic Colls.
Speaker 3: And how is it going on that to all? Because
Speaker 3: you've been you've been in.
Speaker 1: Every HBCU the White House, and you guys have been
Speaker 1: getting such a warm reception.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing that the students eighteen nineteen years old,
Speaker 2: they they know us. They scream like I'm usher or something,
Speaker 2: walking like I don't understand that part. I really thought
Speaker 2: it would.
Speaker 5: Have died that reruns, Manna. Yeah.
Speaker 2: But the influence that that that show has had, and
Speaker 2: it's the influence, it's the fact ridiculous we're going to
Speaker 2: those schools and we're talking to them about school and
Speaker 2: they're open. They love it. They screamed, they love to
Speaker 2: hear the stories, they love to hear baby please. They
Speaker 2: love all of that. And it's the retroactive love. That's
Speaker 2: that's kind of overwhelming. Sometimes we get in there and
Speaker 2: we really are not expecting or yeah, we're not expecting
Speaker 2: it to be like that. We're expecting it to be nice,
Speaker 2: and they go in, they greet us like heroes or something.
Speaker 3: You guys are to our community.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, if you got people out there who say, hey,
Speaker 4: I went to college because of a different world, that's
Speaker 4: a different level of impact.
Speaker 2: That's me.
Speaker 3: I tell you all the time.
Speaker 5: That was was he Dominican.
Speaker 1: I was going to ask, you know, you ever thought
Speaker 1: about putting the director's hat back on and creating that again?
Speaker 1: Just different a new day because you go into the HB,
Speaker 1: you see how much it's needed, you see what the
Speaker 1: students like. You can recreate that because you know what works.
Speaker 1: It doesn't even have to be called a different world.
Speaker 2: It could be right. We've been actively trying to do
Speaker 2: that for about twelve fifteen years, and since we don't
Speaker 2: own it and it doesn't, like you said, it doesn't
Speaker 2: have to be called that. But that's what everybody knows.
Speaker 2: The blueprint is there, and I never thought for a
Speaker 2: long time, I thought this will never happen. It just
Speaker 2: it's not in the cards. It's not going to happen.
Speaker 2: We can't get the rights. They keep him, and it hard.
Speaker 2: Now I say never, say never, because if Debbie gets
Speaker 2: excited about something, if we can get Debbie excited, Debbie
Speaker 2: out of excited about something, then anything as possible.
Speaker 4: And then clearly that's that setting still works because you're
Speaker 4: on Grown Ish now and Grown has been along how
Speaker 4: many seasons?
Speaker 5: Six seasons? Yeah, something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when if we did it, I thought this show
Speaker 2: should never end. I thought, yes, let me out, let
Speaker 2: you azz out, let us go on and go on
Speaker 2: and and go off and do stuff. But then bring
Speaker 2: new freshmen in and keep talking about what's going on
Speaker 2: in the world, keep addressing the same the issues. Like
Speaker 2: it seemed like like soul training. It should have never stopped,
Speaker 2: but but it did. And uh and now thirty five
Speaker 2: years later, you know it's needed. You can see that
Speaker 2: it's needed. Hey, es, Hey, I just love you.
Speaker 5: I'm just I appreciate that.
Speaker 6: I'm happy to see that you're gonna be on the
Speaker 6: shot the shot. Yes, how did that happen? Were you
Speaker 6: familiar with the show before?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I watched the first season and was in love
Speaker 2: with it and then book some gigs and went out
Speaker 2: of the country and d D and the next thing
Speaker 2: you know, I turned around and they five six seasons in.
Speaker 2: I was like, Lena, put me on.
Speaker 4: Lina, don't be calling your company him and grad and
Speaker 4: I look out for another helmet.
Speaker 3: Hell yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Want to be on this show.
Speaker 5: Who's your character going to be?
Speaker 2: I played doctor Elijah Professor Elijah Gardner. He is an
Speaker 2: English literary professor and he is that favorite teacher that
Speaker 2: inspires his students to push harder. So yeah, So the
Speaker 2: strike had happened and everybody was out of work, and
Speaker 2: she called up and was like, I got something you
Speaker 2: want to come And I was like, yes, not even
Speaker 2: do I want to, And don't even send me a script.
Speaker 2: I'm on my way. Yeah, So yeah, it was it
Speaker 2: was easy once once we got out of the strike
Speaker 2: and everything, then it really kicked off.
Speaker 5: You know, we just had chimp fields up here.
Speaker 4: And you made me think of something when you said
Speaker 4: you just called Lena, because I asked her, what's more
Speaker 4: important to have people black people behind the scenes are
Speaker 4: in front of the camp.
Speaker 5: What do you think.
Speaker 2: Behind the scenes, they create the jobs, they create the
Speaker 2: opportunities We partied with the people in front of the screen.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. We all hang out, we
Speaker 2: know each other, there's a familiarity, there's a love of trust.
Speaker 2: But behind the scenes is where the deals get made,
Speaker 2: but where the stuff happens. So it's good to know
Speaker 2: that she was inspired by us and named her company
Speaker 2: him and grad and shot through the ceiling with her
Speaker 2: with her talent, and it's able to say, Okay, let
Speaker 2: me write something, let me create something, and let's pull
Speaker 2: them let's start pulling them in. So yeah, I think
Speaker 2: it's it's more important to know people.
Speaker 3: Who write, you know, lean up beforehand or.
Speaker 2: No, no, I just reached out to you.
Speaker 3: Just love the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was a fan of the show and a
Speaker 2: fan of hers, And just when Twitter was Twitter, I
Speaker 2: just was on the DM. I'm like, yo, I'm a
Speaker 2: big fan. She was like, you taught me how to dress. Wow,
Speaker 2: you taught me how to My whole swag is built
Speaker 2: on you.
Speaker 5: I'm telling to look like, put it on of that.
Speaker 3: But how she was dressing she used to do to
Speaker 3: Jordan's and Jersey.
Speaker 6: Still yeah, but every now and then I'm like, sho
Speaker 6: mean different events and different stuff. So you know, you
Speaker 6: know to on the occasion, she dresses differently sometimes, but yeah,
Speaker 6: now the shot is very heavy Chicago based, right, and
Speaker 6: then you being from New York, did you have to
Speaker 6: like change anything that you have to be more Chicago
Speaker 6: or like, how did you prefer that?
Speaker 2: I really I just kind of you know, I knew
Speaker 2: this guy. He's for me, an extension of Dwayne Wayne.
Speaker 2: He's he's really like at the end of a different world.
Speaker 2: Dwayne was teaching and he loved his students, and he
Speaker 2: had some run ins with him sometimes it didn't go
Speaker 2: so well, but he was learning. And I think that
Speaker 2: Professor Gardner is an extension of that or evolution of that.
Speaker 2: So you know, I wasn't trying to do a Chicago accent.
Speaker 2: Yeah going there now. I was just keeping this simple.
Speaker 2: And and my actors cats I got to work with
Speaker 2: phenomenal and I didn't know their storylines, Like I watched
Speaker 2: the first season. Then I stopped and got busy and
Speaker 2: then went and shot it and didn't know who I
Speaker 2: was working with. Or I come up to me street, Hey,
Speaker 2: I'm Curtis, like.
Speaker 3: Curtis Cook.
Speaker 2: Hey, Curtis Cook, I played on the show. Okay, nice okay, yeah.
Speaker 2: But but then I came back after I shot and
Speaker 2: watched them all washed up until now and uh, crazy crazy,
Speaker 2: and they're all so good. I'm such fans now that
Speaker 2: I've seen them on Now I know all of them
Speaker 2: about Oh yeah, that's dude to that's all. So yeah,
Speaker 2: it's been a fun ride on the shot.
Speaker 3: Do you still audition? I ask Kimn. I said, do
Speaker 3: you still audition?
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, really audition the two weeks ago. Yes, sir.
Speaker 2: The offers are nice, but they're few and far between.
Speaker 2: For a long time, I was proud of the fact
Speaker 2: that another audition for Spike, he just called me Ernest Dickerson,
Speaker 2: he just called me, sat down, we had lunch, he
Speaker 2: gave me a script and was like, I'd like you
Speaker 2: to be this guy. I was like, wow, I didn't
Speaker 2: know that's how it went when I was younger. So
Speaker 2: now that I'm older, anytime somebody offers me something, it
Speaker 2: just means they want you. They know what you can do,
Speaker 2: and they want you. And that always feels really good.
Speaker 2: That feels way better than well, it's nice to earn it.
Speaker 2: It's nice to go in and they don't want you,
Speaker 2: and then you flip them. That's even better sometimes. But
Speaker 2: it really feels good when you can just like get
Speaker 2: a call and say some soon wants to work with
Speaker 2: you and they wrote something and wow, okay, yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: When it comes to auditioning, though, it's like you're a
Speaker 4: new person now though you know you're a O G
Speaker 4: now serent thing like there's not They probably had a
Speaker 4: certain vision of you from the kadem heartists and they
Speaker 4: knew then.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're like you're a old different person now. Really
Speaker 5: we all are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's nice to keep reinventing the wheel, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. It's it gives me a chance to
Speaker 2: I always thought I was a really good actor, and
Speaker 2: it wasn't until maybe seven or eight years ago that
Speaker 2: I saw something that made me rebelieve it. Because for
Speaker 2: a while, you go through a stretch where the jobs
Speaker 2: ain't happening and you think, and plus I don't watch
Speaker 2: my stuff. I get hypercritical. So I'll leave it out there.
Speaker 2: That's for y'all, and y'a always tell me if you
Speaker 2: like it or But I'll wait ten twenty years before
Speaker 2: I go and look at something. It took a long
Speaker 2: time to look at a different world. I watched it.
Speaker 2: We went to the premiere, we had a premiere party,
Speaker 2: and I watched the first episode and I never watched
Speaker 2: after that. Really, Jesus, that's bad. I just felt that's
Speaker 2: not good. That's not what I thought it was gonna be. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but that's me. I see every ground ball I missed,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. If it's if it gets
Speaker 2: past me, then that's an error. And I'm like, I
Speaker 2: should have. I should have. I should have could have.
Speaker 2: Why didn't I? So I watched it all like that.
Speaker 2: And then about eight years ago, Love Is. I watched
Speaker 2: Love Is just because I loved the other characters and
Speaker 2: what they were doing and any other actors. And I
Speaker 2: wasn't in a way I didn't get in a way
Speaker 2: I was able to see it and was like, Oh,
Speaker 2: that wasn't man. And then I was like, oh shit,
Speaker 2: I'm getting better as an actor. At fifty.
Speaker 5: You never watched nothing.
Speaker 4: You never watched the wedding crashing scene, You never watched
Speaker 4: when you stopped.
Speaker 5: I see the sexual assault, like, you never watched none
Speaker 5: of that.
Speaker 2: I watched the clips, but not when we did it.
Speaker 2: I did it experience any the experience that I had
Speaker 2: doing it talking to the actor. Relating and being truthful
Speaker 2: was way better than the editor and the producer and
Speaker 2: the sound man I could mix and come up with.
Speaker 2: When I watch it from outside of my body's completely different.
Speaker 2: But when I'm here then nothing's going to ever touch that.
Speaker 2: That's why a lot of the greats go through plays
Speaker 2: because they don't never have to see it and done. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and every night it can be it's your show. It's
Speaker 2: the director can lead you up there and then he
Speaker 2: has to fall back in the crowd with the rest
Speaker 2: of them, and you get to go on and I
Speaker 2: may be this tonight or I may be that tonight,
Speaker 2: and there's no judgment. You get to live it out
Speaker 2: as fiercely as you want. So, yeah, I'm scared of
Speaker 2: plays I've done too.
Speaker 4: How many times did you have to jump on that
Speaker 4: car when you did the scene when you came through
Speaker 4: the sun roof?
Speaker 2: I think twice twice. I think twice because time pushed
Speaker 2: me off. He wasn't supposed to do that, really, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: and I had to get back that was supposed to happen.
Speaker 2: Then then he pulled me in and he wasn't supposed
Speaker 2: to do that, And that's when I started yelling run Freddy,
Speaker 2: Run wait fred They wait, yeah, yeah, get the fuck
Speaker 2: out here, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. I was. I was
Speaker 2: always like I learned early on, maybe sometime in the
Speaker 2: first season, that the audience was really paying attention to
Speaker 2: what I was doing, because, uh, there was there was
Speaker 2: some scene I think Denise had to have a pig
Speaker 2: nose on or something like that, and Lisa and and
Speaker 2: and I had just a little off cuff reaction to
Speaker 2: it something I did in the scene and I heard
Speaker 2: the audience got a bubble from it, and I was like,
Speaker 2: that wasn't in the script. There wasn't nothing, And I
Speaker 2: was like, huh. So then I just said every time,
Speaker 2: I just loaded up my chamber and I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: I think there's something to do just in case something
Speaker 2: don't go right. And I had no idea Duke was
Speaker 2: going to like I felt like the scene was going
Speaker 2: or the take was going bad, because when he pushed me,
Speaker 2: I fell off the car and had to rejump on it.
Speaker 2: Every time a rehearsal jumped up on there stayed on there,
Speaker 2: did it seem But but the one time when he
Speaker 2: pushed back and then I slid off and then had
Speaker 2: to re jump on. I was like, all right, this
Speaker 2: is a bust to take but that looked great.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and play.
Speaker 2: So Freddy Waite was because he started to pull me
Speaker 2: into the car and that was that wasn't rehearsed. Wow
Speaker 2: for help, help Freddy.
Speaker 1: I wanted to know, like, we look at characters that
Speaker 1: are iconic to us, and sometimes they can't get out
Speaker 1: of that character. Like we've seen it with Steve Verko
Speaker 1: for some reason, he's always Steve Verko right, yeah, and.
Speaker 5: Even to you to a part he tried to take
Speaker 5: your glass of swag too. At one point he did
Speaker 5: a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had to flip a glass on on on.
Speaker 1: For maybe for a couple of because he put up
Speaker 1: that I do that nice, that's not bad.
Speaker 3: How did you get out of that? So Pe? We
Speaker 3: just didn't see you as that all the time, and
Speaker 3: was that difficult?
Speaker 2: I think people still, well, the people still see me
Speaker 2: as that. That's what resonated most with them. Some people
Speaker 2: love Vampire and Brooklyn, some people always love the white
Speaker 2: Men can't Jump. But I think that the mass they
Speaker 2: see me as that, and if that never changes, I'm okay.
Speaker 2: The industry I couldn't get auditions for Singleton movies or
Speaker 2: any of those like hood movies, because they thought I
Speaker 2: was a college kid, and I was like, I barely
Speaker 2: finished high school.
Speaker 3: Like, man, that's crazy, I'm not the you tried out
Speaker 3: for boys in the hood, you know I didn't.
Speaker 2: I couldn't get a meeting. Wow. They was like, nah,
Speaker 2: we're good. Would they would cast it before? I was like,
Speaker 2: how these movies getting made? And I'm right here, I'm
Speaker 2: right here. I don't know me and but I was
Speaker 2: like more edge from school days then Dwayne from a
Speaker 2: different world, you know, a mixture of the two. But
Speaker 2: I was like, I could. I'm from Brooklyn. I could
Speaker 2: do that. I could, I could do that, But I
Speaker 2: could never get a meeting. I could never get a
Speaker 2: sit down.
Speaker 5: And I'm sorry you did not used to have to
Speaker 5: flip up. He used to flip him down and.
Speaker 4: Be like, you're right. You know you said earlier that
Speaker 4: dal Bell was your leader, Yes, right, yes, So how
Speaker 4: do you even keep that band together?
Speaker 5: Because you know you got ol g R and B
Speaker 5: groups that hate each other. How do y'all keep y'all.
Speaker 2: Getting We grew up together, we came to the city together,
Speaker 2: We came in you know, to l a together. We
Speaker 2: were all from somewhere else and we had each other
Speaker 2: to lean on. We needed each other. We hung out
Speaker 2: with each other. It was true love. It wasn't. It
Speaker 2: wasn't like fake. Sure these the Godfather and my kid. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like we are connected, we stay connected. So that's that
Speaker 2: was easy. That wasn't. It was never any kind of
Speaker 2: like I don't want to go if so and so going. No.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is interesting when you talk about the movie
Speaker 4: aspect of it, because I'm like, damn, you weren't in
Speaker 4: a lot of those nineties.
Speaker 5: Great he was a panther and white men can't jump
Speaker 5: school days, but it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then there was a gap after Panther, there
Speaker 2: was a gap. But I couldn't I couldn't get none
Speaker 2: of them. I had to stay on TV at it
Speaker 2: between brothers and some other things. But I couldn't get
Speaker 2: in because I got into this because I thought I
Speaker 2: was gonna be a movie star when I was thirteen.
Speaker 2: I thought I'm gonna be a movie star. That's what
Speaker 2: I want to do. And TV was kind of a
Speaker 2: also ran like it just happened, but I really thought
Speaker 2: I'll do it. Just different world thing for a couple
Speaker 2: of months and they'll get canceled and then I'll go
Speaker 2: be a movie star. Because I knew West was come in.
Speaker 2: I knew there was some wolves in the pack. So yeah,
Speaker 2: but yeah, I couldn't get in. I couldn't get in
Speaker 2: with those dudes.
Speaker 5: Why was the transition so hard? But I think about
Speaker 5: somebody like Jady picker Swift, she made the transition. She
Speaker 5: might be. I can't really think of nobody else.
Speaker 2: Honestly, Yeah, it was I don't know. I think it
Speaker 2: went from you know, you're an actor, you're an actor,
Speaker 2: you're an actor. Then they was like, no, we'll take
Speaker 2: the comedians, the comedians, we want comedians. Comedians. Eddie kind
Speaker 2: of started it. But Eddie just blew it open for
Speaker 2: anybody young and black and sharp witted. He just made
Speaker 2: he just created that cavern for me and Martin and
Speaker 2: Will and everybody run through. But then after that it
Speaker 2: seemed like it shifted where they after Cosby, of course
Speaker 2: they wanted to do comedian shows based on comedians. They
Speaker 2: can write, they can you know, they can be, and
Speaker 2: then being an actor kind of kind of took aside
Speaker 2: road or back seat to it. So yeah, I was
Speaker 2: just tip said, everything goes in cycles, so you know,
Speaker 2: you wait for it to come back around, and it's
Speaker 2: coming back around wearing glasses. I used to hate those
Speaker 2: glasses really, and it was really something that you used
Speaker 2: to hide behind. My mother was telling me last night, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you used to hate them. I used to get the
Speaker 2: calls you used to hate those glasses. I was like, yeah, but.
Speaker 5: Did you did you hate?
Speaker 4: Did you hide behind the glasses because you didn't like
Speaker 4: the roles because you're dealing with like some type of imposts.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no it was I wasn't. I didn't understand
Speaker 2: the role first season. First season, I just thought this
Speaker 2: is I got to go back to Brooklyn when klock, Yeah,
Speaker 2: this is not going good. This is not And then
Speaker 2: by the third season, mister Cosby said, Okay, it's time
Speaker 2: to grow them up. Time to grow them up, lose
Speaker 2: the glasses. And then kind of with that went most
Speaker 2: of the comedy of the silliness that I was doing
Speaker 2: in the first couple of seasons, which I embraced. I
Speaker 2: was like, okay, cool, but yeah it was it was
Speaker 2: calculated on his part to make him more of a man.
Speaker 2: Now we's had those we did that we've seen him.
Speaker 2: He can do that. Now, let's see what else is
Speaker 2: in the bag.
Speaker 4: That the other reason those characters are so beloved because
Speaker 4: when you watch somebody go from a freshman in college
Speaker 4: getting married, you know what I mean? Like, that's like
Speaker 4: we grew up with y'all in a matter of how
Speaker 4: many was it?
Speaker 5: Six seasons?
Speaker 2: Six seasons?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's crazy when you think about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't see it often because our streaming giants
Speaker 2: like to let shit run for one season. That's they
Speaker 2: be like, well, we don't know about the numbers, that's right,
Speaker 2: and then they try something else and now we don't
Speaker 2: know about the numbers, which is kind of sad. But
Speaker 2: it really takes seasons to grow with characters and learn them,
Speaker 2: and it's always best when it works that way.
Speaker 3: Now, you mentioned Wesley Snipes, Yes, sir, and I wanted
Speaker 3: to know how competitive was it back then because you
Speaker 3: said you just knew he was coming. So it made
Speaker 3: me think of like, you know, when you were in
Speaker 3: the NBA and then you got this college can be like, oh,
Speaker 3: he's coming about to be a Beast's that the same
Speaker 3: way when it came to acting.
Speaker 4: We need dark skin, brothers needed one.
Speaker 1: Absolutely just say that because he stabbed the light skin
Speaker 1: brother and the cheer.
Speaker 2: Up. Yeah. I'm not the most competitive. I know what's
Speaker 2: for me is for me and you can't really have it.
Speaker 2: But I knew the talent that was was emerging. I
Speaker 2: could see it. I could. I could see just in
Speaker 2: the little the bad video. I was like, who's that?
Speaker 2: She's okay, another one and then it's less jobs, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? When when when you think, oh snap,
Speaker 2: I'm out in front, and then all of a sudden
Speaker 2: you're looking at somebody here and ship somebody here, and
Speaker 2: then how did he get up there?
Speaker 5: And that was a music video exactly?
Speaker 2: Yeah's uh?
Speaker 5: Music videos were like movies.
Speaker 2: That was ceazy. Yeah yeah yeah, so yeah, I just knew.
Speaker 2: I knew when when I saw Tupac, I thought he
Speaker 2: was probably the most dangerous of all the young actors.
Speaker 2: And he was a rapper. Why was that just he
Speaker 2: could reach a depth and he got that Martin Luther
Speaker 2: King kind of energy that comes out of him. Even
Speaker 2: the way he talks, it's melodic. So when you when
Speaker 2: I see him on screen and I hear him talk,
Speaker 2: I'm like, hmm, now I'm hearing jazz for the first time.
Speaker 2: Now I'm hearing somebody that then broke the mole, and
Speaker 2: it's playing a whole different style. He's probably the one
Speaker 2: guy that I was like, oh boy, if he keeps
Speaker 2: on acting, I'm gonna get less and less.
Speaker 5: What do you see it? When he did different World
Speaker 5: or something else?
Speaker 4: Juice juice, He was intimidated when he came on set.
Speaker 2: No no, no, like I said, what's mine is mine?
Speaker 2: But but but I was thrilled that I got to
Speaker 2: direct them, because all you have to do is say
Speaker 2: action and then cut moving on like there was no
Speaker 2: I'm not sure about that choice. Maybe you want to
Speaker 2: bro This is where you get to be. I'm a
Speaker 2: great director because look what I.
Speaker 5: Did, m M.
Speaker 2: I had to pockets Jada and Bumper and all of them.
Speaker 2: So they were all so good it makes you look good.
Speaker 2: The best job a director can do is hire right people,
Speaker 2: get true I'm sorry, get to a good DP, cast
Speaker 2: the right actors, or get good casting, and then the
Speaker 2: job it starts to get easier, and then you can
Speaker 2: worry about the things you would worry about. So you
Speaker 2: pick pocket for that.
Speaker 4: No no, he said, you would have never picked pocket
Speaker 4: told me.
Speaker 2: Since I wrote that. I wrote that episode and and
Speaker 2: we asked Jada if he would do it, and she said,
Speaker 2: let me ask him and he said yeah, and I
Speaker 2: couldn't believe it. I was like, oh snap, So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know he was. He was angry, you know, which
Speaker 2: was sad for me because he'd have been somebody that
Speaker 2: I would have hung out with. But I couldn't kick
Speaker 2: the pass how angry.
Speaker 4: I was gonna ask you that what kind of person
Speaker 4: was pot because I love hearing pop story just because him,
Speaker 4: him and Big.
Speaker 5: Because they did such mythical figures. Yeah, so he was.
Speaker 5: He was angry on set.
Speaker 2: No, No, not in the space all right, in the space,
Speaker 2: he was darling. But then I was out at the
Speaker 2: Beverly Center. Remember the Belly Sendingbody Belly Center. So I
Speaker 2: was at the Beverly Center and and he was. I
Speaker 2: was a level up and he was coming with I
Speaker 2: think it was Yo Yo and some friends and they
Speaker 2: were coming. It was after rehearsal one day or something
Speaker 2: like that, and I saw him and before I could
Speaker 2: say something, somebody on the upper level said, hey.
Speaker 5: That's two Pac.
Speaker 2: That's two Pac, and he was like, it's Pot money
Speaker 2: it's pot money and starts screaming like they was gonna
Speaker 2: do something. I was like, why bro so mad, Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: they mispronounced the name. You could keep walking, but he was.
Speaker 2: He wanted to make it a point, and I get it.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of bravado that goes on in hip hop,
Speaker 2: so you gotta stand up for certain things. But I
Speaker 2: just didn't. I didn't. I didn't understand why he was
Speaker 2: like that, frustrated with the space.
Speaker 3: They said you directed him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was Cosby when y'all wanted to use pop
Speaker 1: because I know at one time Cosby was like, I
Speaker 1: ain't messing with the rapidy rap.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I never heard from him. I didn't really Like
Speaker 2: I had two brief encounters with Bill mister Cosby give
Speaker 2: him that. So yeah, he never We got the call
Speaker 2: through Debbie that it was time to grow me up. Okay.
Speaker 2: He showed up when Whoope came to do the AIDS
Speaker 2: episode with t Campbell. He showed up for some pictures,
Speaker 2: but he really, you know, was behind the scenes, behind
Speaker 2: the scenes. He wasn't all he made shut. He shot
Speaker 2: his show in Queen's He said, you shoot your show
Speaker 2: in California, So we was there was no way to go,
Speaker 2: and they won't let me. They won't let me. Hey man,
Speaker 2: they won't let me. Can you help me with Now?
Speaker 2: Get out there, get your paddle, and get it home.
Speaker 5: I want to go back to pock real quick.
Speaker 4: People saying you said he was always angry, did anybody
Speaker 4: trying to intervene like men, because you know, I know
Speaker 4: he was very cool with the Jada pinkets and the
Speaker 4: Jasmine guys, but then any black men be like, what's
Speaker 4: up with brother man?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I couldn't. I didn't feel comfortable approaching him because
Speaker 2: I would have I always think I have a you know,
Speaker 2: I still want to sit down with Kanye and just wasted.
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think you know, yeah, I
Speaker 2: hear you, but.
Speaker 4: I always exist and hypnosis.
Speaker 2: I think if I sat down and we just became
Speaker 2: cool and they had some conversations, maybe he sees something anyway.
Speaker 2: But I didn't feel comfortable enough to approach him like that,
Speaker 2: Like he's doing his thing and I gotta kinda get
Speaker 2: out of the way. I can't really try to change that.
Speaker 2: That would be Foulet's see, he's on that path.
Speaker 5: So but then you see how it ended and that's.
Speaker 2: When you feel regret, Like I wish I would have
Speaker 2: just said, yeah, I know you might not like me
Speaker 2: or think I'm whatever, but let's sit down and talk
Speaker 2: why you We don't have to be this is free
Speaker 2: and easy.
Speaker 6: But I can understand like the hesitation, because sometimes you
Speaker 6: don't know how people will receive you exactly, you know,
Speaker 6: and especially if like you and you don't know what
Speaker 6: else he was going through, either like mentally or behind
Speaker 6: the scenes, you know, because acting was just another part
Speaker 6: of what you know he was doing, like rapping, and
Speaker 6: then you can even hear in his music, you know,
Speaker 6: like he had been troubled from you know, youth and
Speaker 6: all that.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, maybe you just didn't.
Speaker 2: Know like I didn't since I'm not a therapist or
Speaker 2: anything like that. I was like, and you were young too, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: exactly were pierced. So I would have loved to but
Speaker 2: you know, I would have loved him at doom like
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 6: That then and then the way did you see I
Speaker 6: really ain't.
Speaker 5: Talking to you?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 4: Did you ever warn Jazzmine or Jada, like, hey man, no,
Speaker 4: I didn't.
Speaker 2: That was their relationship there, you know. So I was
Speaker 2: happy that that he had them in his life because
Speaker 2: I thought, well, I can't get to him. I'm not
Speaker 2: I'm not talking to him like that, so maybe you know,
Speaker 2: this will this will sue the spirit a little bit.
Speaker 5: I feel like every time I see you repping M. F.
Speaker 4: Doom in some way, shape or form, like like what
Speaker 4: the impacted his music have on you?
Speaker 2: I like stories, and forever you you talk about top fives,
Speaker 2: I'm always slick Rick in my top five because he
Speaker 2: took it to a place where was he was self deprecating.
Speaker 2: He was funny and he told you a story, and
Speaker 2: I thought, if you can do that, you win. Those
Speaker 2: guys super rhymes. Those guys, to me were the winners.
Speaker 2: And when Doom came along, he just it seemed like
Speaker 2: he was talking to English or speaking in English, but
Speaker 2: it was another language. And that was so attractive to
Speaker 2: me because then I had to decipher it. Same with
Speaker 2: Wu Tang or what the wallows? I never did, you know,
Speaker 2: since I didn't come from there, I didn't know what
Speaker 2: that was, and I had to listen to it and
Speaker 2: decipher it.
Speaker 5: I learned the supreme alphabet. When you learn the supreme althaba,
Speaker 5: you get a.
Speaker 4: Whole new appreciation like, oh yeah, God sphered the vine,
Speaker 4: Like yeah, so so you know, as a as a
Speaker 4: teaching tool, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I was always eager to learn from us in the
Speaker 2: places that I couldn't I haven't been, and Doom just
Speaker 2: he just opened it up for me. He said, hear ye,
Speaker 2: hear ye, how dare ye go up against the king?
Speaker 2: Would do his thing? Try yearly mm hmm. I was like,
Speaker 2: what does that mean? And then I looked at his catalog,
Speaker 2: and in that year he dropped three albums, a hymn album,
Speaker 2: a solo, a group album, and then a beat album.
Speaker 2: I was like, this dude is ridiculous, Like, oh, you
Speaker 2: make the beats and you write the rhymes and you
Speaker 2: say it in a way that nobody else is saying it.
Speaker 2: Still to this day, I think he's, you know, one
Speaker 2: of the best.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't get in the Dunes catalog the way
Speaker 4: that I should. I'm like, goo Face Killer is my
Speaker 4: favorite rappub all time.
Speaker 5: So I got into that album they did together, but
Speaker 5: I never got into like his his.
Speaker 2: Catag it's just weird. And as a as a comic nerd,
Speaker 2: and and and and that kid, you know a little
Speaker 2: bit shy. He spoke to me in a way that
Speaker 2: it's like Rick did that, Super Rhymes did that, you know,
Speaker 2: other Kendrick Lamar does.
Speaker 5: So who's the rest of the top five? Come on?
Speaker 2: Uh? Uh? I tried this, I really tried hard to
Speaker 2: do my top five, and then there was another five,
Speaker 2: and then there was another five. Then it turned into
Speaker 2: my top five times five. Okay, I have a top
Speaker 2: twenty five. Okay, and I'd have to get my phone.
Speaker 2: But most Death is there, Doom is there? Uh j
Speaker 2: idea of the young Cats. Yeah, Cole is there, Kendrick
Speaker 2: is there, Caine is there, Rock Chim is there, Chris is.
Speaker 5: There, Chris Brown.
Speaker 2: It's a different world, was a whole different world. Knowledge
Speaker 2: reigns supreme over nearly everyone.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: And I didn't do groups, so I didn't allow to
Speaker 2: I didn't allow dirty math. That's groups. I got a
Speaker 2: top seven, but the top twenty five times five, it
Speaker 2: just goes on. No Biggie of course. But there's Mount Rushmore,
Speaker 2: which is a big j Nas and Cain or Chris
Speaker 2: or whoever you're feeling at the time, and then.
Speaker 5: A Brooklyn bias what.
Speaker 4: Brooklyn three from Brooklyn on the Mount rush a lot
Speaker 4: of Brooklyn bios.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and then I start counting after that because
Speaker 2: I know that all of us can kind of agree on,
Speaker 2: you know, seven, And then I start digging into the
Speaker 2: minutia and start trying to find the dudes that really
Speaker 2: kind of slick ricked of course that really made hip
Speaker 2: hop and joy were for me, shooting groups, Dis's effects.
Speaker 2: They changed the whole way of speaking. So it was
Speaker 2: a mischief in the far side they in LA because
Speaker 2: I was really mad at the time. I was in
Speaker 2: LA and all I could get was I wasn't a
Speaker 2: big hot take. I wasn't a Snoop Dogg Doctor Dre fan.
Speaker 2: Really I didn't like what they were saying, and I
Speaker 2: was like, what is gin and Juice? I didn't even
Speaker 2: understand what that meant. So I bought the album. I
Speaker 2: bought two of them because I was supporting all of us,
Speaker 2: and then I didn't open it for years. And then
Speaker 2: when I finally opened it and I was a little
Speaker 2: more mature, I could see the fun in it, and
Speaker 2: I could see this is just a different part of
Speaker 2: the culture because it's the West Coast, and since I'm
Speaker 2: so East Coast dude. Three Brooklyn casts in the top five.
Speaker 2: It took me a while accept it, and then I
Speaker 2: production wise it was just philologist unbelievable. But the content
Speaker 2: always got to be for me. What you're talking about.
Speaker 2: Your cadence gotta be good, Tony, your voice gotta be good,
Speaker 2: your writing has to be good. And then what are
Speaker 2: you saying.
Speaker 5: Bis Biggie was talking about it just in that's true,
Speaker 5: it's true.
Speaker 2: But Biggie, what did you try to say? He was?
Speaker 2: And I didn't like that part. That was the part
Speaker 2: that that missed me when kicking the door with certain things.
Speaker 2: Just the way he rode a beat was just.
Speaker 5: Phenomenal.
Speaker 2: It's another it's another level.
Speaker 4: I think out of and out of everybody that we lost,
Speaker 4: I constantly think about where Biggie would have been because
Speaker 4: he was light years ahead of everybody's not too many
Speaker 4: gifted rappers. He was a gifted rapper. He was born
Speaker 4: to rape. And even when you listen to it now,
Speaker 4: you're like, damn, there's not one big saw you can't
Speaker 4: turn into a movie. Yeah, like literally, yep, not one yep.
Speaker 2: That's what That's what I'm saying, Brooklyn Bias, bro.
Speaker 4: That's why have you had a role this is fulfilling
Speaker 4: as your role is doing when yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: I've had I mean it's usually for me. How much
Speaker 2: fun am I having on set? And a few things
Speaker 2: can top a different world because I did it for
Speaker 2: so long and I grew up and I was it
Speaker 2: was the beginning. It was really like my introduction to
Speaker 2: the world. So that's special. But I can't imagine not
Speaker 2: ever have as much fun as I did doing I'm
Speaker 2: Gonna get your sucking.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Every day Clean would come in and just be like,
Speaker 2: go just let us be free. And Damon, who was
Speaker 2: a huge influence, so you know, huge like Eddie, Like
Speaker 2: I used to follow Damon around to the comedy clubs
Speaker 2: because I thought I want to do what he does.
Speaker 2: He's that good and that impression that made that kind
Speaker 2: of impression on me that I wanted. I wanted to
Speaker 2: I was gonna do stand up comedy, and he talked
Speaker 2: me right out of it. He was like, Bro, you
Speaker 2: have a TV show. This is what all the comics want.
Speaker 2: This is what you have, is what we're all trying
Speaker 2: to get. You don't want to be doing this in
Speaker 2: shitty little towns and staying in shitty little hotels and
Speaker 2: flying around damn shitty little plates.
Speaker 7: I ain't never do. They don't be putting like that.
Speaker 2: New age comed Yeah. Yeah, but back then it was grin.
Speaker 2: There was a lot of whole bunch of that, and
Speaker 2: getting up and at midnight and going to a club
Speaker 2: and then doing four clubs. And I was like, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think you're right. I don't want to do all
Speaker 2: of that, but yeah, I'm working with him on Sucker,
Speaker 2: working with Eddie, which he was like an idol, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. There was no bigger influence than
Speaker 2: Eddie on anything I've done. So to do Vampire in
Speaker 2: Brooklyn and to get the call from him saying I've
Speaker 2: seen all the tapes. You the only want that could
Speaker 2: do this. Wow, I was like what but telling them
Speaker 2: to get the money right?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah. It was incredible. You know those times that I'll
Speaker 2: never forget. I just had the most amazing time on
Speaker 2: Teenage Bounty Hunters, you know, five six years ago, this
Speaker 2: little show where I was like, I'm gonna try something different.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna try something different voice, I'm gonna try something
Speaker 2: different with everything. I'm just gonna see if I can
Speaker 2: dig deeper. And they let me do it, and one
Speaker 2: of the most fulfilling wolves was playing bowser. It was
Speaker 2: hard to shake you know how. You know some people
Speaker 2: they they they lose themselves too far. But I was
Speaker 2: talking like that, dude for like two years after that.
Speaker 2: I couldn't. I couldn't shake it out of my voice.
Speaker 2: I got so comfortable in it and was having such
Speaker 2: a good time with it that I was still talking
Speaker 2: like this yet still walking around you doing all right.
Speaker 2: I couldn't find I couldn't find my register that I
Speaker 2: know that this is. And now I'm out of it.
Speaker 2: And it sounds weird because I was so comfortable in it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I take the jobs for the fun. The
Speaker 2: money is a bonus. Actors, I say, we do it
Speaker 2: for free. We just pay us for waiting. Yeah. So,
Speaker 2: so all of them have really been a joy, because
Speaker 2: that's that's what I think I do best, even though
Speaker 2: I just realized that fifty and it's the thing that
Speaker 2: gives me the most joy.
Speaker 5: And you've been in the game thirty five years. Do
Speaker 5: you fear your careers missing anything?
Speaker 2: No, just you know, growth, just still want to keep
Speaker 2: doing it, still want to you know, I want to
Speaker 2: be a villain. I want to be a this. I
Speaker 2: want to do that. I'm like, it seems like we've
Speaker 2: gotten too old for the romantic leads, but I grew
Speaker 2: up in that, Like that was my thing. Like boy
Speaker 2: meets girl, boy chases girl.
Speaker 5: Are you too old? You're still fucking.
Speaker 2: But they don't seem to make movies with older you know,
Speaker 2: they're not. They're not looking for that, they're not they're
Speaker 2: not actively pursuing that. So it just seems like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's that might be a thing of the past maybe,
Speaker 2: but it could happen. Yeah, maybe happen. Yeah. So yeah.
Speaker 2: So I'm just I love this, bro, It's what I do.
Speaker 2: We always appreciate you.
Speaker 4: Just even to get to sit down a bill with
Speaker 4: you man, you and icon and I that Hilman bossity
Speaker 4: is very fresh.
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