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Speaker 3: We got a special guest in the building, the legend

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Speaker 2: What what Welcome back, Let's go, Let's go now you're

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Speaker 2: feeling feeling good. Bro, I've been running around New York

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Speaker 2: promoting the Shy Lot about the tour, talking them about

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Speaker 4: Your own line of the Wayne Wayne flip up glasses

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Speaker 2: About time because because we can give it back a

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Speaker 2: and learn. It seemed like a good idea. This guy here,

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Speaker 2: I said, you ever wanted to do a glasses line?

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Speaker 2: I was like yeah. And then we found these girls

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Speaker 3: But how can we how can we order? The first

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Speaker 2: Montel dot com.

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Speaker 5: Let me say that.

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Speaker 6: What I'm talking about they only got over You got

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yes, magnetic. Okay, I said it a magnetic Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Tell them again how they can get him if they want.

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Speaker 6: I'm happy to see that you're gonna be on the

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Speaker 5: You never watched nothing.

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Speaker 2: I watched the clips, but not when we did it.

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Speaker 4: How many times did you have to jump on that

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and play.

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Speaker 2: So Freddy Waite was because he started to pull me

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Speaker 5: And I'm sorry you did not used to have to

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Speaker 2: Will and everybody run through. But then after that it

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00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:45,680
Speaker 2: seemed like it shifted where they after Cosby, of course

440
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 2: they wanted to do comedian shows based on comedians. They

441
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,239
Speaker 2: can write, they can you know, they can be, and

442
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 2: then being an actor kind of kind of took aside

443
00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:00,199
Speaker 2: road or back seat to it. So yeah, I was

444
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 2: just tip said, everything goes in cycles, so you know,

445
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,440
Speaker 2: you wait for it to come back around, and it's

446
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 2: coming back around wearing glasses. I used to hate those

447
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:15,400
Speaker 2: glasses really, and it was really something that you used

448
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 2: to hide behind. My mother was telling me last night, Yeah,

449
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 2: you used to hate them. I used to get the

450
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 2: calls you used to hate those glasses. I was like, yeah, but.

451
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 5: Did you did you hate?

452
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 4: Did you hide behind the glasses because you didn't like

453
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,720
Speaker 4: the roles because you're dealing with like some type of imposts.

454
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no it was I wasn't. I didn't understand

455
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:35,159
Speaker 2: the role first season. First season, I just thought this

456
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:40,160
Speaker 2: is I got to go back to Brooklyn when klock, Yeah,

457
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 2: this is not going good. This is not And then

458
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 2: by the third season, mister Cosby said, Okay, it's time

459
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 2: to grow them up. Time to grow them up, lose

460
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 2: the glasses. And then kind of with that went most

461
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 2: of the comedy of the silliness that I was doing

462
00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:00,439
Speaker 2: in the first couple of seasons, which I embraced. I

463
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 2: was like, okay, cool, but yeah it was it was

464
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 2: calculated on his part to make him more of a man.

465
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 2: Now we's had those we did that we've seen him.

466
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 2: He can do that. Now, let's see what else is

467
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 2: in the bag.

468
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 4: That the other reason those characters are so beloved because

469
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 4: when you watch somebody go from a freshman in college

470
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 4: getting married, you know what I mean? Like, that's like

471
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 4: we grew up with y'all in a matter of how

472
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:25,159
Speaker 4: many was it?

473
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 5: Six seasons?

474
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 2: Six seasons?

475
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's crazy when you think about it.

476
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't see it often because our streaming giants

477
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 2: like to let shit run for one season. That's they

478
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,400
Speaker 2: be like, well, we don't know about the numbers, that's right,

479
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,360
Speaker 2: and then they try something else and now we don't

480
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,479
Speaker 2: know about the numbers, which is kind of sad. But

481
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 2: it really takes seasons to grow with characters and learn them,

482
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 2: and it's always best when it works that way.

483
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 3: Now, you mentioned Wesley Snipes, Yes, sir, and I wanted

484
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 3: to know how competitive was it back then because you

485
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 3: said you just knew he was coming. So it made

486
00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 3: me think of like, you know, when you were in

487
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,439
Speaker 3: the NBA and then you got this college can be like, oh,

488
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,400
Speaker 3: he's coming about to be a Beast's that the same

489
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 3: way when it came to acting.

490
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 4: We need dark skin, brothers needed one.

491
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: Absolutely just say that because he stabbed the light skin

492
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:12,679
Speaker 1: brother and the cheer.

493
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 2: Up. Yeah. I'm not the most competitive. I know what's

494
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 2: for me is for me and you can't really have it.

495
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:29,159
Speaker 2: But I knew the talent that was was emerging. I

496
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 2: could see it. I could. I could see just in

497
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 2: the little the bad video. I was like, who's that?

498
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:40,920
Speaker 2: She's okay, another one and then it's less jobs, you

499
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 2: know what I mean? When when when you think, oh snap,

500
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 2: I'm out in front, and then all of a sudden

501
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,879
Speaker 2: you're looking at somebody here and ship somebody here, and

502
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 2: then how did he get up there?

503
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 5: And that was a music video exactly?

504
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 2: Yeah's uh?

505
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 5: Music videos were like movies.

506
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 2: That was ceazy. Yeah yeah yeah, so yeah, I just knew.

507
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 2: I knew when when I saw Tupac, I thought he

508
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 2: was probably the most dangerous of all the young actors.

509
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,439
Speaker 2: And he was a rapper. Why was that just he

510
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 2: could reach a depth and he got that Martin Luther

511
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 2: King kind of energy that comes out of him. Even

512
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 2: the way he talks, it's melodic. So when you when

513
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 2: I see him on screen and I hear him talk,

514
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 2: I'm like, hmm, now I'm hearing jazz for the first time.

515
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 2: Now I'm hearing somebody that then broke the mole, and

516
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 2: it's playing a whole different style. He's probably the one

517
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 2: guy that I was like, oh boy, if he keeps

518
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 2: on acting, I'm gonna get less and less.

519
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 5: What do you see it? When he did different World

520
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 5: or something else?

521
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 4: Juice juice, He was intimidated when he came on set.

522
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 2: No no, no, like I said, what's mine is mine?

523
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 2: But but but I was thrilled that I got to

524
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 2: direct them, because all you have to do is say

525
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 2: action and then cut moving on like there was no

526
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 2: I'm not sure about that choice. Maybe you want to

527
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 2: bro This is where you get to be. I'm a

528
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 2: great director because look what I.

529
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 5: Did, m M.

530
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 2: I had to pockets Jada and Bumper and all of them.

531
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 2: So they were all so good it makes you look good.

532
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 2: The best job a director can do is hire right people,

533
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 2: get true I'm sorry, get to a good DP, cast

534
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 2: the right actors, or get good casting, and then the

535
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 2: job it starts to get easier, and then you can

536
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 2: worry about the things you would worry about. So you

537
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 2: pick pocket for that.

538
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 4: No no, he said, you would have never picked pocket

539
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 4: told me.

540
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 2: Since I wrote that. I wrote that episode and and

541
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 2: we asked Jada if he would do it, and she said,

542
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 2: let me ask him and he said yeah, and I

543
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 2: couldn't believe it. I was like, oh snap, So yeah, yeah,

544
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 2: you know he was. He was angry, you know, which

545
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 2: was sad for me because he'd have been somebody that

546
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 2: I would have hung out with. But I couldn't kick

547
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 2: the pass how angry.

548
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 4: I was gonna ask you that what kind of person

549
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 4: was pot because I love hearing pop story just because him,

550
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 4: him and Big.

551
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 5: Because they did such mythical figures. Yeah, so he was.

552
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 5: He was angry on set.

553
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 2: No, No, not in the space all right, in the space,

554
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 2: he was darling. But then I was out at the

555
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,919
Speaker 2: Beverly Center. Remember the Belly Sendingbody Belly Center. So I

556
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 2: was at the Beverly Center and and he was. I

557
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 2: was a level up and he was coming with I

558
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,719
Speaker 2: think it was Yo Yo and some friends and they

559
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 2: were coming. It was after rehearsal one day or something

560
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 2: like that, and I saw him and before I could

561
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 2: say something, somebody on the upper level said, hey.

562
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 5: That's two Pac.

563
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 2: That's two Pac, and he was like, it's Pot money

564
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 2: it's pot money and starts screaming like they was gonna

565
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 2: do something. I was like, why bro so mad, Like, yeah,

566
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 2: they mispronounced the name. You could keep walking, but he was.

567
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 2: He wanted to make it a point, and I get it.

568
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 2: There's a lot of bravado that goes on in hip hop,

569
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 2: so you gotta stand up for certain things. But I

570
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 2: just didn't. I didn't. I didn't understand why he was

571
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 2: like that, frustrated with the space.

572
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 3: They said you directed him.

573
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was Cosby when y'all wanted to use pop

574
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: because I know at one time Cosby was like, I

575
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: ain't messing with the rapidy rap.

576
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I never heard from him. I didn't really Like

577
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 2: I had two brief encounters with Bill mister Cosby give

578
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 2: him that. So yeah, he never We got the call

579
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 2: through Debbie that it was time to grow me up. Okay.

580
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 2: He showed up when Whoope came to do the AIDS

581
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 2: episode with t Campbell. He showed up for some pictures,

582
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 2: but he really, you know, was behind the scenes, behind

583
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 2: the scenes. He wasn't all he made shut. He shot

584
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 2: his show in Queen's He said, you shoot your show

585
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 2: in California, So we was there was no way to go,

586
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 2: and they won't let me. They won't let me. Hey man,

587
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 2: they won't let me. Can you help me with Now?

588
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 2: Get out there, get your paddle, and get it home.

589
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 5: I want to go back to pock real quick.

590
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 4: People saying you said he was always angry, did anybody

591
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 4: trying to intervene like men, because you know, I know

592
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 4: he was very cool with the Jada pinkets and the

593
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 4: Jasmine guys, but then any black men be like, what's

594
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 4: up with brother man?

595
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I couldn't. I didn't feel comfortable approaching him because

596
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 2: I would have I always think I have a you know,

597
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 2: I still want to sit down with Kanye and just wasted.

598
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think you know, yeah, I

599
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 2: hear you, but.

600
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 4: I always exist and hypnosis.

601
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 2: I think if I sat down and we just became

602
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 2: cool and they had some conversations, maybe he sees something anyway.

603
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 2: But I didn't feel comfortable enough to approach him like that,

604
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 2: Like he's doing his thing and I gotta kinda get

605
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 2: out of the way. I can't really try to change that.

606
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 2: That would be Foulet's see, he's on that path.

607
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 5: So but then you see how it ended and that's.

608
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 2: When you feel regret, Like I wish I would have

609
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 2: just said, yeah, I know you might not like me

610
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 2: or think I'm whatever, but let's sit down and talk

611
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 2: why you We don't have to be this is free

612
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 2: and easy.

613
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 6: But I can understand like the hesitation, because sometimes you

614
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 6: don't know how people will receive you exactly, you know,

615
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 6: and especially if like you and you don't know what

616
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 6: else he was going through, either like mentally or behind

617
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 6: the scenes, you know, because acting was just another part

618
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 6: of what you know he was doing, like rapping, and

619
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 6: then you can even hear in his music, you know,

620
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 6: like he had been troubled from you know, youth and

621
00:31:59,160 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 6: all that.

622
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, maybe you just didn't.

623
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 2: Know like I didn't since I'm not a therapist or

624
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 2: anything like that. I was like, and you were young too, Yeah, yeah,

625
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 2: exactly were pierced. So I would have loved to but

626
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 2: you know, I would have loved him at doom like

627
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 2: you know.

628
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 6: That then and then the way did you see I

629
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 6: really ain't.

630
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 5: Talking to you?

631
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 2: Now?

632
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 4: Did you ever warn Jazzmine or Jada, like, hey man, no,

633
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 4: I didn't.

634
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:28,239
Speaker 2: That was their relationship there, you know. So I was

635
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 2: happy that that he had them in his life because

636
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 2: I thought, well, I can't get to him. I'm not

637
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 2: I'm not talking to him like that, so maybe you know,

638
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 2: this will this will sue the spirit a little bit.

639
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 5: I feel like every time I see you repping M. F.

640
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 4: Doom in some way, shape or form, like like what

641
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 4: the impacted his music have on you?

642
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 2: I like stories, and forever you you talk about top fives,

643
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 2: I'm always slick Rick in my top five because he

644
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 2: took it to a place where was he was self deprecating.

645
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 2: He was funny and he told you a story, and

646
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 2: I thought, if you can do that, you win. Those

647
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 2: guys super rhymes. Those guys, to me were the winners.

648
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 2: And when Doom came along, he just it seemed like

649
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 2: he was talking to English or speaking in English, but

650
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 2: it was another language. And that was so attractive to

651
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 2: me because then I had to decipher it. Same with

652
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 2: Wu Tang or what the wallows? I never did, you know,

653
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 2: since I didn't come from there, I didn't know what

654
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 2: that was, and I had to listen to it and

655
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 2: decipher it.

656
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 5: I learned the supreme alphabet. When you learn the supreme althaba,

657
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 5: you get a.

658
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 4: Whole new appreciation like, oh yeah, God sphered the vine,

659
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 4: Like yeah, so so you know, as a as a

660
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 4: teaching tool, you know what I mean.

661
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 2: I was always eager to learn from us in the

662
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 2: places that I couldn't I haven't been, and Doom just

663
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 2: he just opened it up for me. He said, hear ye,

664
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,959
Speaker 2: hear ye, how dare ye go up against the king?

665
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 2: Would do his thing? Try yearly mm hmm. I was like,

666
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 2: what does that mean? And then I looked at his catalog,

667
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 2: and in that year he dropped three albums, a hymn album,

668
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 2: a solo, a group album, and then a beat album.

669
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 2: I was like, this dude is ridiculous, Like, oh, you

670
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 2: make the beats and you write the rhymes and you

671
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 2: say it in a way that nobody else is saying it.

672
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 2: Still to this day, I think he's, you know, one

673
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 2: of the best.

674
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't get in the Dunes catalog the way

675
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 4: that I should. I'm like, goo Face Killer is my

676
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 4: favorite rappub all time.

677
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 5: So I got into that album they did together, but

678
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 5: I never got into like his his.

679
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 2: Catag it's just weird. And as a as a comic nerd,

680
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 2: and and and and that kid, you know a little

681
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 2: bit shy. He spoke to me in a way that

682
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 2: it's like Rick did that, Super Rhymes did that, you know,

683
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 2: other Kendrick Lamar does.

684
00:34:58,320 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 5: So who's the rest of the top five? Come on?

685
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 2: Uh? Uh? I tried this, I really tried hard to

686
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 2: do my top five, and then there was another five,

687
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 2: and then there was another five. Then it turned into

688
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 2: my top five times five. Okay, I have a top

689
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 2: twenty five. Okay, and I'd have to get my phone.

690
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 2: But most Death is there, Doom is there? Uh j

691
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 2: idea of the young Cats. Yeah, Cole is there, Kendrick

692
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,359
Speaker 2: is there, Caine is there, Rock Chim is there, Chris is.

693
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,479
Speaker 5: There, Chris Brown.

694
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 2: It's a different world, was a whole different world. Knowledge

695
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 2: reigns supreme over nearly everyone.

696
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 5: Uh.

697
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 2: And I didn't do groups, so I didn't allow to

698
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 2: I didn't allow dirty math. That's groups. I got a

699
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 2: top seven, but the top twenty five times five, it

700
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 2: just goes on. No Biggie of course. But there's Mount Rushmore,

701
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 2: which is a big j Nas and Cain or Chris

702
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 2: or whoever you're feeling at the time, and then.

703
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 5: A Brooklyn bias what.

704
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 4: Brooklyn three from Brooklyn on the Mount rush a lot

705
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 4: of Brooklyn bios.

706
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and then I start counting after that because

707
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,879
Speaker 2: I know that all of us can kind of agree on,

708
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 2: you know, seven, And then I start digging into the

709
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 2: minutia and start trying to find the dudes that really

710
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 2: kind of slick ricked of course that really made hip

711
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 2: hop and joy were for me, shooting groups, Dis's effects.

712
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 2: They changed the whole way of speaking. So it was

713
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 2: a mischief in the far side they in LA because

714
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 2: I was really mad at the time. I was in

715
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 2: LA and all I could get was I wasn't a

716
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 2: big hot take. I wasn't a Snoop Dogg Doctor Dre fan.

717
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 2: Really I didn't like what they were saying, and I

718
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 2: was like, what is gin and Juice? I didn't even

719
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 2: understand what that meant. So I bought the album. I

720
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 2: bought two of them because I was supporting all of us,

721
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 2: and then I didn't open it for years. And then

722
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,439
Speaker 2: when I finally opened it and I was a little

723
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 2: more mature, I could see the fun in it, and

724
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 2: I could see this is just a different part of

725
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 2: the culture because it's the West Coast, and since I'm

726
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 2: so East Coast dude. Three Brooklyn casts in the top five.

727
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 2: It took me a while accept it, and then I

728
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 2: production wise it was just philologist unbelievable. But the content

729
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 2: always got to be for me. What you're talking about.

730
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 2: Your cadence gotta be good, Tony, your voice gotta be good,

731
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 2: your writing has to be good. And then what are

732
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 2: you saying.

733
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 5: Bis Biggie was talking about it just in that's true,

734
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 5: it's true.

735
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 2: But Biggie, what did you try to say? He was?

736
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 2: And I didn't like that part. That was the part

737
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:35,720
Speaker 2: that that missed me when kicking the door with certain things.

738
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 2: Just the way he rode a beat was just.

739
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 5: Phenomenal.

740
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:41,439
Speaker 2: It's another it's another level.

741
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 4: I think out of and out of everybody that we lost,

742
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 4: I constantly think about where Biggie would have been because

743
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 4: he was light years ahead of everybody's not too many

744
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 4: gifted rappers. He was a gifted rapper. He was born

745
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 4: to rape. And even when you listen to it now,

746
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 4: you're like, damn, there's not one big saw you can't

747
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 4: turn into a movie. Yeah, like literally, yep, not one yep.

748
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 2: That's what That's what I'm saying, Brooklyn Bias, bro.

749
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 4: That's why have you had a role this is fulfilling

750
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 4: as your role is doing when yeah, okay.

751
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 2: I've had I mean it's usually for me. How much

752
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 2: fun am I having on set? And a few things

753
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 2: can top a different world because I did it for

754
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 2: so long and I grew up and I was it

755
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 2: was the beginning. It was really like my introduction to

756
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 2: the world. So that's special. But I can't imagine not

757
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 2: ever have as much fun as I did doing I'm

758
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 2: Gonna get your sucking.

759
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah.

760
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 2: Every day Clean would come in and just be like,

761
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 2: go just let us be free. And Damon, who was

762
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 2: a huge influence, so you know, huge like Eddie, Like

763
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 2: I used to follow Damon around to the comedy clubs

764
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 2: because I thought I want to do what he does.

765
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 2: He's that good and that impression that made that kind

766
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 2: of impression on me that I wanted. I wanted to

767
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,760
Speaker 2: I was gonna do stand up comedy, and he talked

768
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 2: me right out of it. He was like, Bro, you

769
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 2: have a TV show. This is what all the comics want.

770
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 2: This is what you have, is what we're all trying

771
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 2: to get. You don't want to be doing this in

772
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 2: shitty little towns and staying in shitty little hotels and

773
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 2: flying around damn shitty little plates.

774
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 7: I ain't never do. They don't be putting like that.

775
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 2: New age comed Yeah. Yeah, but back then it was grin.

776
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 2: There was a lot of whole bunch of that, and

777
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 2: getting up and at midnight and going to a club

778
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 2: and then doing four clubs. And I was like, Okay, yeah,

779
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 2: I think you're right. I don't want to do all

780
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 2: of that, but yeah, I'm working with him on Sucker,

781
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 2: working with Eddie, which he was like an idol, you

782
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 2: know what I mean. There was no bigger influence than

783
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 2: Eddie on anything I've done. So to do Vampire in

784
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 2: Brooklyn and to get the call from him saying I've

785
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 2: seen all the tapes. You the only want that could

786
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 2: do this. Wow, I was like what but telling them

787
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 2: to get the money right?

788
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 5: Yeah?

789
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. It was incredible. You know those times that I'll

790
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 2: never forget. I just had the most amazing time on

791
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 2: Teenage Bounty Hunters, you know, five six years ago, this

792
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 2: little show where I was like, I'm gonna try something different.

793
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 2: I'm gonna try something different voice, I'm gonna try something

794
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 2: different with everything. I'm just gonna see if I can

795
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 2: dig deeper. And they let me do it, and one

796
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 2: of the most fulfilling wolves was playing bowser. It was

797
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 2: hard to shake you know how. You know some people

798
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 2: they they they lose themselves too far. But I was

799
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 2: talking like that, dude for like two years after that.

800
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 2: I couldn't. I couldn't shake it out of my voice.

801
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 2: I got so comfortable in it and was having such

802
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,240
Speaker 2: a good time with it that I was still talking

803
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 2: like this yet still walking around you doing all right.

804
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 2: I couldn't find I couldn't find my register that I

805
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 2: know that this is. And now I'm out of it.

806
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 2: And it sounds weird because I was so comfortable in it.

807
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 2: But yeah, I take the jobs for the fun. The

808
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 2: money is a bonus. Actors, I say, we do it

809
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:52,280
Speaker 2: for free. We just pay us for waiting. Yeah. So,

810
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 2: so all of them have really been a joy, because

811
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,879
Speaker 2: that's that's what I think I do best, even though

812
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 2: I just realized that fifty and it's the thing that

813
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:03,919
Speaker 2: gives me the most joy.

814
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 5: And you've been in the game thirty five years. Do

815
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 5: you fear your careers missing anything?

816
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 2: No, just you know, growth, just still want to keep

817
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 2: doing it, still want to you know, I want to

818
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 2: be a villain. I want to be a this. I

819
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 2: want to do that. I'm like, it seems like we've

820
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 2: gotten too old for the romantic leads, but I grew

821
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 2: up in that, Like that was my thing. Like boy

822
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 2: meets girl, boy chases girl.

823
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 5: Are you too old? You're still fucking.

824
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 2: But they don't seem to make movies with older you know,

825
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 2: they're not. They're not looking for that, they're not they're

826
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 2: not actively pursuing that. So it just seems like, oh,

827
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,800
Speaker 2: that's that might be a thing of the past maybe,

828
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 2: but it could happen. Yeah, maybe happen. Yeah. So yeah.

829
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 2: So I'm just I love this, bro, It's what I do.

830
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 2: We always appreciate you.

831
00:43:58,120 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 4: Just even to get to sit down a bill with

832
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 4: you man, you and icon and I that Hilman bossity

833
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 4: is very fresh.

834
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 2: That's dope. Chip Monk Chronicles shout out to my man

835
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 2: chips line again. Yespontel dot com. Deemed is what they're

836
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 2: called them all.

837
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 5: Thank you.

838
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 2: She got some and promo code that's right. Reboot now,

839
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 2: reboot now, get you get some, get a little bit

840
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 2: off and they go to the cause. They'll be giving

841
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 2: some money some kids and uh hopefully get somebody into college.

842
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,879
Speaker 3: Well it's Kadeem Hardison yes, and it's The Breakfast Club.

843
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 3: Good morning, wake that.

844
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,720
Speaker 2: Ass up in the morning. The Breakfast Club