Speaker 1: Two Teas in a Pod with Teddy Mellencamp and camera Judge.
Speaker 2: Hi, guys, welcome to another episode of Two Teas and
Speaker 2: a Pod with myself, Teddy Mellencamp and Tamra Judge.
Speaker 3: Today we have Oh my god, I don't even know.
Speaker 3: I don't even know how to give her intro.
Speaker 2: I mean, if I had a bird book, I'd pull
Speaker 2: it up right now, right the only.
Speaker 4: Housewife they got let go and people who first season
Speaker 4: housewife that was let go that people are pissed off about.
Speaker 2: We are going to ask her all of those questions
Speaker 2: that you feel went missing in past episodes and the reunion.
Speaker 2: I think that there is a lot that we need
Speaker 2: to dig in further because there were some things that
Speaker 2: she said and she said we're quite adamantly.
Speaker 5: Then maybe then we shaw screenshots she didn't appear to
Speaker 5: be the truth.
Speaker 3: Yes, we need to get the truth, okay.
Speaker 5: And we're always gotta eye on the truth.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, yes. How are you doing? How are
Speaker 3: you doing? Let's start off with that.
Speaker 6: I'm okay, I'm okay. You know, I'm not good. I'm
Speaker 6: not terrible. I'm okay. I'm better at reunion day, yeah
Speaker 6: than other days. But I'm just I'm just okay right now? Now?
Speaker 3: Is this okay because of the news that broke of
Speaker 3: you not returning, like you're trying to wrap your head
Speaker 3: around it or it makes you a little sad or
Speaker 3: is there other stuff?
Speaker 6: I am not surprised at all about me not being
Speaker 6: asked back.
Speaker 3: That was.
Speaker 6: It. Yeah, I wasn't shocked by that at all. It
Speaker 6: still hurts, like it's still like, oh damn, that stings.
Speaker 3: Trust me, we both know, right, it still hurts.
Speaker 6: It stings, and I feel like.
Speaker 3: Well, let me tell you something. There's one thing that
Speaker 3: Andy said about you that he did not say publicly
Speaker 3: about me and Teddy or me. He said it's a pause.
Speaker 3: I mean he told me that privately, but he never
Speaker 3: really said it publicly. But he basically said that you
Speaker 3: know chance there you're going to be back.
Speaker 5: Well, girl, No, I don't this cast.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know. I think I think
Speaker 3: I might need to coach you a little bit.
Speaker 2: I mean, even though we just saw Lisa Barlow's recent
Speaker 2: quote on people that said, I feel like this year
Speaker 2: might be our best year yet, just based on what
Speaker 2: I've seen and heard and how things are going so far.
Speaker 2: I actually think it's going to be the most iconic
Speaker 2: season ever, adding I don't want to think about the FEDS,
Speaker 2: Homeland Secure, NPD showing up anymore. It's not interesting anymore.
Speaker 2: We've been there, did that. I'm pretty sure it's done that.
Speaker 2: What do you have to say about that? I think
Speaker 2: that they just started filming, so for them to already
Speaker 2: know it's the most iconic season ever. That's my two cents?
Speaker 5: But what are yours?
Speaker 6: I mean, Lisa stays delusional. That's I mean, she's so
Speaker 6: I think they have been filming for literally just a
Speaker 6: few days. But also for her to say, you know,
Speaker 6: Homeland Security, whatever, was it interesting? Like what else was
Speaker 6: going on?
Speaker 3: Then Lisa like, well, it was the best ratings ever
Speaker 3: last night.
Speaker 6: That's what people were tuning in to. So that's weird
Speaker 6: for her to say it's not interesting because that's what
Speaker 6: everyone was watching.
Speaker 2: Well, let's go back in time, So let's we'll start
Speaker 2: from the beginning when Salt Lake City originally premiered. Did
Speaker 2: you immediately want to find a way to get on
Speaker 2: the show or what was like the history.
Speaker 6: Of this, the history of me getting on the show?
Speaker 5: Yeah, but like, did you watch from the beginning.
Speaker 2: Then did you seek after like what they've given us
Speaker 2: the illusion of thinking, is that the second that it
Speaker 2: started airing, you wanted to get on the show, and
Speaker 2: then you got close to Jen because of that reason?
Speaker 5: Is that fact or false? Or and if it is,
Speaker 5: there's no judgment.
Speaker 6: Yeah. No, I was friends with Jen before season one aired,
Speaker 6: so I actually didn't even know she was on the
Speaker 6: show when I met her. They were still not announced
Speaker 6: at all. And in fact, I remember the first time
Speaker 6: I found out where I was when I found out
Speaker 6: she was on the show. We went to dinner in
Speaker 6: Park City and she had one of the producers show
Speaker 6: up and she was like, Oh, this is so and
Speaker 6: so he's a producer on the show I'm on. And
Speaker 6: I was like what. And that's how I found out
Speaker 6: she was even on the show.
Speaker 2: So yes, when they started Salt Lake, I feel like
Speaker 2: we heard rumors about this online, but maybe it wasn't
Speaker 2: going to be real High Housewives of Salt Lake City.
Speaker 5: It was going to be another show. Is that true?
Speaker 5: Or was it always salt Like? I don't know.
Speaker 6: From what I've heard, everyone said it was a women
Speaker 6: in business show.
Speaker 3: I've never heard that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And that's how it was, Like, I mean, that's
Speaker 6: how I was told for multiple people. It was pitched
Speaker 6: to people about this is a show about women in business,
Speaker 6: and then it ended up being it was actually Real Housewives. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I don't know they did that on purpose to Like.
Speaker 3: So you said you met John before the show even
Speaker 3: was in production. How long after working with her did
Speaker 3: you think that?
Speaker 6: Oh, No, the show was in production. It was kind
Speaker 6: of aired or been announced yet.
Speaker 5: Oh how did you meet her in the first place?
Speaker 6: We met on Instagram because I donate swaddle blankets to
Speaker 6: like all the hospitals here and I donated to the
Speaker 6: you all the time, and Sharif works at the UK
Speaker 6: and we just linked up through that connection.
Speaker 2: And then how long, like had you been watching Bravo
Speaker 2: shows prior or was this just news once Jen came
Speaker 2: on you wanted to watch her and go from there?
Speaker 6: I mean I always watched Bravo. I mean I always
Speaker 6: watched Bravo shows. But yeah, I mean Jen wasn't the
Speaker 6: reason I started watching Bravo shows. I definitely watched before Jen.
Speaker 2: And then how long was she on the show before
Speaker 2: you started working for her? Because knowing her and working
Speaker 2: those are two different things.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 6: That's like, so she had an assistant, well, she had
Speaker 6: several assistants, but her main assistant he was fired. And
Speaker 6: then I started working for her, and like I want
Speaker 6: to say, like September okay, and then I was done
Speaker 6: working for her in but.
Speaker 3: She didn't pay you. You said she didn't pay you, Okay,
Speaker 3: this is okay. I keep playing that because that's confusing.
Speaker 6: This is there's so many rumors about this shit. Like
Speaker 6: there's rumors like Jen paid to keep her car from
Speaker 6: getting repossessed. That's not the truth. Why I say she
Speaker 6: never paid me is because for how much money I
Speaker 6: actually put out, I never got that back. So when
Speaker 6: she would give me like, oh, here's five hundred dollars,
Speaker 6: I'm like, is this to like pay me back for
Speaker 6: what I've already paid for? Like I paid for movers,
Speaker 6: I paid for furniture movers for her.
Speaker 2: Yes, another one, she paid you a weekly salary, but
Speaker 2: she didn't reimburse you.
Speaker 6: No, no, no, no no. I definitely did not get
Speaker 6: a weekly salary. There wasn't never like a consistent form
Speaker 6: of payment from her. It would be like here's five
Speaker 6: hundred dollars, here's another five hundred dollars In total, she
Speaker 6: gave me like two thousand dollars.
Speaker 3: So after that was going on, do you start thinking, like,
Speaker 3: what's going on with this woman? I need to get
Speaker 3: to the bottom of this.
Speaker 6: So after I started actually working for her was when
Speaker 6: I was like, Okay, that's when I started to see
Speaker 6: things from a different perspective, because as her friend, I
Speaker 6: was like, she's good for it. You know, she has
Speaker 6: this big house, she works, Scharif work, they have all
Speaker 6: these nice things.
Speaker 3: Was her house rented?
Speaker 6: Yeah? I didn't know that at the time that like,
Speaker 6: but did you I didn't.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I have to go back because I don't want
Speaker 2: us to miss anything. Did you start working for her
Speaker 2: during season one or season two?
Speaker 6: They had already I guess filmed season one?
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 6: I was gone in between that period, so season one
Speaker 6: was done. I was gone before season two even started filming.
Speaker 2: Did you ever film any scenes during that first season?
Speaker 2: And did you meet Stuart?
Speaker 6: Yes? I met Stuart several times.
Speaker 3: As where is Stuart now?
Speaker 6: Stuart is actually the one that made sure I got
Speaker 6: any kind of money was because of Stuart.
Speaker 2: Okay, So while we're still on the topic of working
Speaker 2: for gen Sorry, I need to know about the security camera.
Speaker 2: Oh god, no, you have to break it down for
Speaker 2: me because I, okay, my husband owns a security company,
Speaker 2: so I understand how this situation works. But you set
Speaker 2: it up for her, correct, So you had the log
Speaker 2: and information, but then she never pad.
Speaker 5: Did we all did?
Speaker 6: The past code was one one one one Okay, Okay.
Speaker 6: Everybody that was in that house that was assisting, everyone
Speaker 6: that was in that house that was around working for
Speaker 6: GEN around that time, had access to the cameras, knew
Speaker 6: the passcode was one one one one, and yeah.
Speaker 2: But then how did it start that you started watching
Speaker 2: her cameras? Because that's what when we were watching the reunion,
Speaker 2: that's the part that I was like, Okay, nine times
Speaker 2: out of ten, I'm like, listen, I sided with Monica.
Speaker 2: I gets at this, But that is one that I
Speaker 2: was like, I don't understand it. I need more information
Speaker 2: from her.
Speaker 6: Okay, So what do you want to know?
Speaker 2: I want to know when you were logging on to
Speaker 2: watch her on the cameras.
Speaker 5: Did she ever know you were doing that or was
Speaker 5: that completely on your own?
Speaker 3: She knew and how to.
Speaker 6: Act actually cameras at all times, like she would have me,
Speaker 6: like we watch it for deliveries, for packages. We would
Speaker 6: watch it for like if the people were in there working,
Speaker 6: we would talk to them like no, don't paint this wall, Yes,
Speaker 6: paint that wall.
Speaker 3: So there was cameras inside the house and outside of
Speaker 3: the house.
Speaker 5: Not in the bedroom though, correct.
Speaker 6: No, it was just like the main or back doors
Speaker 6: like the main.
Speaker 2: And after you were not working with her anymore, was
Speaker 2: there ever a point in time where you were like,
Speaker 2: maybe I should stop watching this ship.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3: Like you're okay, and so you were like bored and
Speaker 3: you just would sit and watch or how did that okay?
Speaker 6: So how it originally started was because some of the
Speaker 6: big things that happened with her, like assaulting her staff,
Speaker 6: were there and we wanted to go back and get
Speaker 6: the footage off of the security camera. Oh, that's originally
Speaker 6: how it started. Was like, oh my god, I can't
Speaker 6: believe this happened. No one's gonna believe this. She just
Speaker 6: lost her ship. She threw this ship out of us
Speaker 6: Da da da da da. And then we're like, holy
Speaker 6: fuck the cameras, let's get it off the footage from
Speaker 6: the cameras. That's originally how it started.
Speaker 5: And then how did it end?
Speaker 3: Not well, bitch.
Speaker 5: Look, I'm not going.
Speaker 6: To stay here and justify the situation. That's not.
Speaker 5: No, I don't want justificately not.
Speaker 6: But I will say, like, I hate this narrative that's
Speaker 6: being pushed that I'm like this crazy Stalker's why I want.
Speaker 3: We want people to understand that you weren't sitting around
Speaker 3: stalking her.
Speaker 6: No, we were all in a situation that we had
Speaker 6: never been in before, and we did not know how
Speaker 6: to handle and we didn't handle it right at all times.
Speaker 6: We were not being paid, we were working like crazy hours.
Speaker 6: I'm not saying that's not our fault either. We were
Speaker 6: fucking dumb. We should have walked the fuck away right.
Speaker 6: Looking back on it, it's like, Okay, you can see
Speaker 6: things with a clearer head when you're in it, you're
Speaker 6: kind of blinded by all lot of things. Like yeah,
Speaker 6: and one of the things we were blinded by was anger, frustration, rage,
Speaker 6: like we were acting out of an unhealthy place. Like
Speaker 6: that's bottom line. We weren't in a good headspace. We
Speaker 6: were being completely mistreated, and we did things we shouldn't
Speaker 6: have done.
Speaker 2: Like I'm so similar to like win a boyfriend or
Speaker 2: to like cheat on you or something, and we may listen,
Speaker 2: I've gone and looked at my husband's phone before.
Speaker 5: Am I proud of it?
Speaker 2: No, But I've gone in and been like, I'm just
Speaker 2: gonna peruse the last eight hundred text messages. Yes, it
Speaker 2: is an invasion of his privacy hundred percent, but I
Speaker 2: did do it.
Speaker 3: For the record, I've never done that. You've never done that,
Speaker 3: not with my husband.
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, when I was younger, I would
Speaker 3: drive by ex boyfriend's houses things like.
Speaker 6: That, and that's what we did. We did drive bys,
Speaker 6: and you know, we're stalkers. I will say, there's actually
Speaker 6: a very serious like discussion here that's not happening. There's
Speaker 6: actually real life stalker situations and this was not that right,
Speaker 6: and I think it's taking away from the seriousness of
Speaker 6: actually what it's like to have a true stalker and
Speaker 6: how a lot of those situations.
Speaker 3: Well, at the end of the day, this woman is
Speaker 3: now serving time in prison, yeah, because of things that
Speaker 3: she did.
Speaker 6: Right, Like I said, I have no problem apologizing or
Speaker 6: admitting when I did something.
Speaker 5: It wasn't like.
Speaker 3: You were spying on a woman that is, you know,
Speaker 3: having Bible study in her living room, legal stuff.
Speaker 6: Trying to get her acting out, being crazy and saying
Speaker 6: god awful things. And that's why we were watching the cameras,
Speaker 6: because we were you wanted.
Speaker 2: To expose her for the person that she was to
Speaker 2: you guys.
Speaker 6: Yeah, A big chunk of the recordings that are on
Speaker 6: Reality Bantie were not even taken from security. They were
Speaker 6: taken from audios that like we recorded.
Speaker 5: In her presence.
Speaker 6: In her presence, yeah, because I know, you know, like
Speaker 6: Lisa's like, you got this from that and this from
Speaker 6: the home Scirity. No, not everything that would we put
Speaker 6: out was from home security. It was like she's losing
Speaker 6: her shit record.
Speaker 5: You know, why don't you get a snoop dogg on
Speaker 5: the jet? Jen told us all that story.
Speaker 6: We were all there, we heard that story from Jen.
Speaker 3: And but but Lisa was the one that said, you
Speaker 3: got it off the security cameras, right, is that what
Speaker 3: she said?
Speaker 6: She does a lot of shit. So, and they've done
Speaker 6: a great job. Let me just tell you, they've done
Speaker 6: an incredible job at completely disparaging my name and making
Speaker 6: it so no one believes shit I say or that
Speaker 6: comes out of my mouth, which was their plan. So
Speaker 6: that when I do tell the truth, no one believes
Speaker 6: it well, and they've done a great job at that.
Speaker 3: Now, speaking of Lisa, you mentioned that Lisa was running
Speaker 3: errands for Jen, which I'm like, what why would Lisa
Speaker 3: be running errands for Jen? What specifically did was she
Speaker 3: doing for her?
Speaker 6: So she Jen like forgot some stuff for reunion or whatever,
Speaker 6: and so Jen was like making Lisa meet up with us,
Speaker 6: me to give her all this shit. So she would
Speaker 6: come and meet me at the airport. I would meet her.
Speaker 6: She's like I almost flight by day and like just
Speaker 6: like little thing. When I say errands, it's like that
Speaker 6: doesn't necessarily mean we're like working, Like it's something you
Speaker 6: would have your friend.
Speaker 3: Do right, like you were just it's more off clothes
Speaker 3: or doing this or so basically it's just proving that
Speaker 3: they were close and they were tight.
Speaker 6: I mean every single one of those women did errands
Speaker 6: or favors or ship for Gen. Fuck. I mean Angie
Speaker 6: paid for an entire birthday party for Jen, Like are
Speaker 6: we kidding? Like we all why people.
Speaker 3: Were so afraid intimidated about Jen? What was what was
Speaker 3: it that she did or how what kind of power
Speaker 3: does she have over people?
Speaker 6: I think she just knows a lot of their secrets
Speaker 6: that they don't want out. And she's also they've done
Speaker 6: stuff together that they don't want out. So I think again,
Speaker 6: I think it just boils down to information that they
Speaker 6: don't want out.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, you now see who her bestie is
Speaker 3: in prison.
Speaker 2: Elizabeth holmesdal Yeah, another wonderful human being.
Speaker 6: No, we all knew when we saw where she requested
Speaker 6: to go. We knew why, you know, because yeah, we knew,
Speaker 6: you know, Elizabeth had already it was already out that
Speaker 6: she was going there, and then miraculously Jen asked to
Speaker 6: go there.
Speaker 3: Like We're like, okay, you know, do you see her
Speaker 3: husband around town or her kids? Are they still in
Speaker 3: Salt Lake City?
Speaker 6: No, I haven't seen or anything from I think.
Speaker 3: If I was in mine, get the hell out of there, moving.
Speaker 6: I honestly thought. But I think he still works for
Speaker 6: the U, and.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Oh, that's nice for him, Good for him.
Speaker 2: Let's get into the reality, Vontie of it all, because
Speaker 2: because I've already seen some things that Brittany alleged, the
Speaker 2: alleged new Salt Lake City housewife, has some fan burner accounts.
Speaker 6: You know, I have been look Tamra. I actually am
Speaker 6: calling out Tamar because she gave me this advice and
Speaker 6: told me to play nice and like, don't do anything.
Speaker 6: So I have been very quiet. I haven't done or
Speaker 6: said anything. But let me tell you, the amount of
Speaker 6: people that have said me voice notes from this brittany
Speaker 6: girl of her blaming all these burner accounts on me
Speaker 6: is astounding.
Speaker 5: Wait, does she know you?
Speaker 6: No, I've never met her.
Speaker 5: I never met her, never ever seen her around Salt Lake.
Speaker 6: No, I have no idea who she is. I don't
Speaker 6: know anything about her. I've never heard of her. But
Speaker 6: I literally am listening to both voice notes of her
Speaker 6: saying like these, I'm thinking these are all Monica, And
Speaker 6: I'm like, what the hell?
Speaker 3: It sounds like projecting because she has been busted opening
Speaker 3: up a fake finst Does that what.
Speaker 5: It's called for her boyfriend.
Speaker 3: Boyfriend to make him look like a heart throb or something?
Speaker 3: I don't I don't know.
Speaker 6: I from what people are sending me. It's like several accounts,
Speaker 6: like of fan accounts I don't know, like fanning her,
Speaker 6: fanning the guy. I don't know. All I know is
Speaker 6: she's blaming it on me. And I'm like, wow, You're like.
Speaker 2: Okay, but it's funny you guys, when you originally came
Speaker 2: up with reality Vantice, it's allegedly around five of you guys,
Speaker 2: right or a my wrong? And then once you started it,
Speaker 2: were you all in agreement this is to solely focus
Speaker 2: on gen.
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay. And then.
Speaker 2: When the cease and desist happened to Vontice, do you
Speaker 2: think that Jen told the other women?
Speaker 6: Then I don't remember the timelines of that.
Speaker 3: I don't timelines, yeah, I will say.
Speaker 6: I mean, it's this is hard for me because I
Speaker 6: know some of the women knew about the page and
Speaker 6: who was behind it for a very long time. So
Speaker 6: I don't know if they knew before the season desist,
Speaker 6: after the cease and desist, I just know that they know.
Speaker 5: You just know that they knew before Bahamas.
Speaker 3: Oh for sure?
Speaker 6: You Yeah?
Speaker 3: Okay, Monica, there's rumors out there that you auditioned for
Speaker 3: season three but didn't get it because of Jen. That's
Speaker 3: what's going around online. Is that true?
Speaker 6: Real? Yes? I said that, I said.
Speaker 3: Okay, I mean, there's nothing wrong with it.
Speaker 5: I just didn't know, so I.
Speaker 6: This is what is frustrating is Lisa's like she was
Speaker 6: going to dinner with Jen before. Yes, I did, because
Speaker 6: production had us meet together and talk and production was there,
Speaker 6: don't make it seem anything that it's not. And after
Speaker 6: that dinner happened, they had been trying to get me
Speaker 6: on season three. That's when we were given like the
Speaker 6: green light, Like Jen was like, Okay, let's do this,
Speaker 6: you know whatever, And then the reason that it all halted.
Speaker 6: So the whole time they were trying to get me on,
Speaker 6: Jen was like, I refuse a film with her. I
Speaker 6: won't do it. Then when they finally got her to agree,
Speaker 6: after we went to dinner with production, Jen and I,
Speaker 6: the federal government slapped them with some documents saying, you know,
Speaker 6: pretty much stay away from our witness you know. Oh
Speaker 6: So then I legally couldn't film with Jen because then
Speaker 6: it was like I was testifying against her in this.
Speaker 2: Ye Did she know you were testifying against her when
Speaker 2: you had this dinner with production.
Speaker 6: I don't know if she was given a list yet
Speaker 6: at that point or not. Once they have like a
Speaker 6: list of people that they have to be witnesses, they
Speaker 6: have to provide that to like Jenshaw and her team.
Speaker 6: So I don't know. I mean they pretty much told
Speaker 6: her like, if your client wants to still film with her,
Speaker 6: that's on your client. But just know she is a witness.
Speaker 6: D D D d D.
Speaker 2: So going to Vauntee, if you were to if you
Speaker 2: were to be a guessing person, who do you think
Speaker 2: was acting at the Bermuda finale and already knew about this?
Speaker 5: I have my own my.
Speaker 3: Own we have her own suspicion. Well, we've already said it.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, who if you were to think, like,
Speaker 2: who was blindsided by this information?
Speaker 5: Who already knew.
Speaker 6: Blindsided? I think everyone was acting to a certain degree.
Speaker 6: But I absolutely think that Heather for sure. I know
Speaker 6: for a fact Heather knew before and.
Speaker 5: That phone call was BS. I mean, why why does Heather, in.
Speaker 3: Your opinion, ride hard for Tanisha when Tanisha was a
Speaker 3: part of all this?
Speaker 6: I don't know. I mean, I've literally had so many
Speaker 6: conspiracy theories on this because I've just been so I
Speaker 6: literally don't know why these women hate me so much.
Speaker 6: I'll be honest, because if you really look at their
Speaker 6: history as a whole, what I've done is like nothing,
Speaker 6: like really, Okay, the only person that actually deserves to
Speaker 6: be mad at me right now, Angie, it's freaking Gensh. No,
Speaker 6: Angie can fuck off too. Genshaw is the only person
Speaker 6: that deserves to be mad at me. The only person
Speaker 6: that I actually wronged and really caused trouble for was
Speaker 6: freaking Genshaw or used to get where I'm at or whatever,
Speaker 6: like they're saying, like you used this spitch. You did
Speaker 6: nothing for me. If anything, you tried to keep me
Speaker 6: from sitting here this entire time. Genshaw. I would have
Speaker 6: to say, girl, I'm sorry. I was going to testify
Speaker 6: against you. Girl, I'm sorry I started a burner page
Speaker 6: about you. Girl, I'm sorry I use you as a
Speaker 6: stepping stone. Genshaw is the only one that deserves anything
Speaker 6: from me. These other women like I all apologize some
Speaker 6: of them for some stuff, but what I did as
Speaker 6: a burner page does not warrant them hating me so much.
Speaker 6: It makes no sense, especially when they could not stand
Speaker 6: gen either.
Speaker 5: Especially when I.
Speaker 2: Saw Lisa Barlow filming season three of Beverly Hills, so
Speaker 2: clearly she wanted to be on reality television show too.
Speaker 6: She's been all over Bravo shows in the background.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2: Ah, So why at the reunion because okay, these are
Speaker 2: my two thoughts. I'm both separate, But at the reunion,
Speaker 2: I wish at the beginning you would have just like
Speaker 2: come in and take a little bit more accountability and
Speaker 2: then just like thrown it all at us and given
Speaker 2: us all the information because we love you and we
Speaker 2: wanted to like people to move past it. But I
Speaker 2: felt like there were certain things that you just wouldn't
Speaker 2: give on, And I'm wondering, did you at some point,
Speaker 2: like why when you came into the show that were
Speaker 2: you so open about the affair and those type of
Speaker 2: things but hid the reality vontife of it all.
Speaker 6: Because it wasn't just me. I feel like if it
Speaker 6: was just me, I would have gone in and been like, you, guys,
Speaker 6: I did this, did da da da da? But I'm
Speaker 6: not going to sit there and take responsibility for that
Speaker 6: entire page because I was responsible for the entire page,
Speaker 6: and I don't feel like that's fair. So when we
Speaker 6: started this page, we were like to the grave, you guys,
Speaker 6: like nobody rapped anybody out, blah blahlah blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: Well, obviously, Tanisha didn't stick to that, right, Tanisha's the one.
Speaker 6: She went above and beyond. Yeah, she went above and
Speaker 6: beyond and she's still going above it and beyond. And
Speaker 6: it's actually really sad. It's really sad because I'm like,
Speaker 6: do you have nothing else? Like?
Speaker 3: I don't know who now, because the reality Vontize is
Speaker 3: still out there right, who's running it now?
Speaker 6: I don't think anyone's been doing anything on that page, so.
Speaker 3: It's just did you remove yourself from it?
Speaker 7: What?
Speaker 6: I actually I tried to hack in a few months ago.
Speaker 6: I'm serious it because I didn't have the passwords.
Speaker 3: Oh you don't have the password, Okay, I don't.
Speaker 6: Have the password, and I was like trying all these things.
Speaker 6: I couldn't even get in. I don't think anyone's posted
Speaker 6: on that page in like years.
Speaker 2: Do you think that Heather played along to con everybody
Speaker 2: all season for this storyline so we'd stop talking about
Speaker 2: the black Eye?
Speaker 6: I don't know how much it has to do with
Speaker 6: the black Eye or not. I think she just didn't
Speaker 6: want me there. But if you go back and you
Speaker 6: watch the season clock, every time that woman looks at me,
Speaker 6: every time she is looking at me, it is like
Speaker 6: like she you can see it on her face, like
Speaker 6: she just if you it's astounding, it's astounding, and like
Speaker 6: she did not want me there from the jump.
Speaker 5: And can you tell us about the casting process, because
Speaker 5: during the reunion you said.
Speaker 2: That you sent an email to casting that you wrote,
Speaker 2: your show sucks and your ratings are shit and it's
Speaker 2: going to get canceled. But then we saw the email
Speaker 2: during the reunion and it wasn't like that.
Speaker 5: So what was it? Like, let's get it and it's
Speaker 5: okay if you a little fib okay.
Speaker 6: I hate this honestly, you guys. This is the hardest
Speaker 6: part of this shit is now no one believes anything
Speaker 6: I say and so frustrating. So when they showed those
Speaker 6: three little lines that one hundred percent was me. That
Speaker 6: was my first ever email, and all I was doing
Speaker 6: was asking for more information. There are hundreds of emails
Speaker 6: and production and casting and whatever. I actually had to
Speaker 6: submit an entire bio. Why do you think you're going
Speaker 6: to be good for the show? What would you bring
Speaker 6: that's different to this show? Da da da da da da.
Speaker 6: That's where I said a lot of the shit I said,
Speaker 6: I did not say it in my first ever email like, Hi,
Speaker 6: wondering what I need to do to move forward? Like no,
Speaker 6: I put it in a bunch this email where I
Speaker 6: had to write an entire bio and they didn't show that,
Speaker 6: And that's fine.
Speaker 3: You also said that you mentioned the Burner account and
Speaker 3: Andy said, no way.
Speaker 6: Okay, So this also needs to be cleared up.
Speaker 5: I love what you say.
Speaker 6: Hold on, No, so casting was not the people I told.
Speaker 6: I feel like this needs to be made clear because
Speaker 6: I feel like it kind of got shuffled in there reunion.
Speaker 6: I told production when they came to my house when
Speaker 6: I was auditioning for season three that was not in
Speaker 6: And if you hear me, I say when they came
Speaker 6: to my house. When production came to my house, that's
Speaker 6: when I told them. They asked me about it. They said,
Speaker 6: do you know who you know? Vantie's this, who runs that?
Speaker 6: Blah blahlah blah blah, And we had a discussion about it.
Speaker 6: Fast forward to now I'm on season four. It's not
Speaker 6: even the same people. So for production now.
Speaker 2: The production is no Just so to clear up what
Speaker 2: you're saying, the production is no longer the same people, Well, they.
Speaker 3: Change the production. They change people all the time. Because
Speaker 3: I know this last season some of our production career
Speaker 3: went over to Salt Lake City, and even now, you
Speaker 3: guys have Sean Laser who's been working on our show
Speaker 3: for eighteen years, and we're like, you reach out to
Speaker 3: me and goes, sorry, I took a job over, you know,
Speaker 3: Like I'm like, what Trader.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I had like four people in my home. Those
Speaker 6: four people weren't even on the show at all season four.
Speaker 6: So production now that they're like, she never told us,
Speaker 6: that's true. I didn't ever tell them. I told the
Speaker 6: other people from season three, and it wasn't casting. It
Speaker 6: was when they came to my home and we had
Speaker 6: like an in home interview.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But even so, like casting, it's a third party company.
Speaker 3: It's not anything to do with production or with Bravo
Speaker 3: or with the network. It is an outside company that
Speaker 3: goes out and tries to find talent for the show.
Speaker 3: So even if you did say that to them, chances
Speaker 3: are they probably would not go back and repeat it,
Speaker 3: or they would I mean.
Speaker 6: I never told them, so yeah, she's yeah.
Speaker 2: I think clearing it up that it was, you know,
Speaker 2: people in the production but not in casting.
Speaker 5: I think that's well.
Speaker 6: And people that are no longer even in the production anymore,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean. By the time I filmed,
Speaker 6: they were gone.
Speaker 2: Do you think that when Heather said REI Crow timeline screenshots,
Speaker 2: do you think it was written on her hand and
Speaker 2: prepared or do you think that was an authentic iconic line.
Speaker 6: I don't think anything about Heather's authentic, But I think
Speaker 6: that that entire monologue was months in the making. That's
Speaker 6: that's what I think.
Speaker 2: And if you were to pick a woman from the
Speaker 2: cat it can't be married because Mary wasn't on the trip.
Speaker 2: But if there was one woman in Bermuda that you
Speaker 2: would trust the most at this point, like forget what
Speaker 2: happened at the reunion, but just in general your time
Speaker 2: spent together, who would it be? And then who would
Speaker 2: be the person that you said this is? This is
Speaker 2: a hard note for me.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I actually I really do care about Whitney and Meredith.
Speaker 6: I know that they've you know, said how they feel
Speaker 6: and that's fine and whatever, But I have nothing bad
Speaker 6: to say about them at all. I think they were
Speaker 6: very kind to me. They were very they were very
Speaker 6: good to me during filming. I think, Yeah, I think
Speaker 6: we all know I'm I'm going with Heather on this.
Speaker 6: I think how she teamed up with my best friend
Speaker 6: to completely obliterate my life is absolutely disgusting.
Speaker 3: And your best friend being my ex best friend. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I didn't know you guys were best friends. I didn't
Speaker 3: know that girl.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Hold on, is it true there's a restraining order?
Speaker 2: Or is that just Tanisiha making stuff up?
Speaker 6: There is not a restraining order. That is insane. Where
Speaker 6: did you hear that? Because I haven't even heard that.
Speaker 5: I have a worldwide web. Oh god, Oh.
Speaker 6: My gosh, there's a lot of things.
Speaker 2: Tanisha filed a police report accusing you of stalking.
Speaker 6: Okay, well that's fine. A restraining order and I'm definitely
Speaker 6: not stalking her, and police reports, I mean whatever. I
Speaker 6: could call the police right now and make a report
Speaker 6: right well.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of things going on in the world
Speaker 3: Wide Web, and one of them is a rumor saying
Speaker 3: that you Monica have been cast for doing the show
Speaker 3: House of Villains.
Speaker 6: I haven't heard that rumor.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, so that's not true.
Speaker 3: I haven't wait.
Speaker 5: I'm happy to see that. Where did you want that?
Speaker 2: We got all excited from the Worldwide Web on the
Speaker 2: www I have.
Speaker 6: I have seen everyone promoting me for it, like how
Speaker 6: Civilains you have to get Monica Traders, you have to
Speaker 6: get Monica, Like I have seen all of that, but
Speaker 6: I have not seen that you have to send that
Speaker 6: to me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we would love for that to happen.
Speaker 2: Getting back getting back to Meredith, Yes, I feel like
Speaker 2: there was a point at the reunion where you kind
Speaker 2: of look at Meredith to back you up.
Speaker 5: When she says things like you.
Speaker 2: Should sue Andree for falling down the stairs, and she's
Speaker 2: just kind of like yeah at that point, Like I
Speaker 2: wish she would have been like, hey, you know, I
Speaker 2: was talking shit, you know, like like people always say
Speaker 2: things like I such a tamer all the time, like
Speaker 2: we are so lucky nobody's released our text messages to
Speaker 2: one another, like right, like to.
Speaker 6: Release my shit of me venting on a random Tuesday
Speaker 6: is so fucking unnecessary.
Speaker 3: It is. It is, And I think any you could
Speaker 3: do that to anybody in the world. Didn't you had you.
Speaker 6: Guys need to I'm going to answer this, but at
Speaker 6: that point in time in my life, I had no
Speaker 6: one else. Tanisha was my best friend. We were together
Speaker 6: all the time, holidays, every Sunday family dinner. Her kid
Speaker 6: always spent the night at my house. My kids were
Speaker 6: always at her house, like we were best friends. She
Speaker 6: was like my spouse.
Speaker 5: What happened to stop?
Speaker 3: What is her problem?
Speaker 5: That's just gonna say.
Speaker 3: Does she want to be on the show? Does she
Speaker 3: want to be famous? Did she tell us that you
Speaker 3: were on the show? What went wrong?
Speaker 6: I have no idea, honestly, And she hasn't really answered that.
Speaker 6: She's been asked it a lot. The only thing that
Speaker 6: I have heard is that she said I was trying
Speaker 6: to get her fired, or that I was coming for
Speaker 6: her check. I was never trying to get.
Speaker 5: Check from who? Who? Heather?
Speaker 6: Check from Bravo? Yeah, because she did you know? She
Speaker 6: worked on set. That's the only thing I've heard. And
Speaker 6: she never missed a check. She was never fired, She
Speaker 6: never nothing ever happened. So I don't even know why.
Speaker 6: I have no idea.
Speaker 2: But did you know things were going south in your
Speaker 2: friendship before all of this started happening? So what that's
Speaker 2: my question? What was happening inside of your friendship that
Speaker 2: like made her lose it? Were you flirting with her
Speaker 2: guy or something I saw? Yeah, let's just give it
Speaker 2: to us so we don't have to speculate.
Speaker 6: It's so fucking stupid, all right, So wow, during filming,
Speaker 6: she okay, we went to the hospital to do like
Speaker 6: this feed the family service thing where we got together
Speaker 6: with a bunch of people and we fed all the
Speaker 6: families that were there with their sick children at primary Children's.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 6: While we were there, we met these two guys and
Speaker 6: she really hit it off with one of them, and
Speaker 6: she kind of wanted to pursue that they had set
Speaker 6: up a time to get together and she wanted me
Speaker 6: to go with her. I told her, I will go
Speaker 6: with you, girl. I will be your wing girl. And
Speaker 6: it was one night after filming. I was exhausted. It
Speaker 6: was like nine o'clock at night, and I was like,
Speaker 6: I cannot go.
Speaker 5: She's like, you promise me, you have to come. Da
Speaker 5: da da da da.
Speaker 6: You told me you'd be there. I'm like, oh, fine,
Speaker 6: I will rally and I will go. I literally went
Speaker 6: in pajamas and flip flops and like my hair and
Speaker 6: a clip. Right, I did not care. We went ax, throwing,
Speaker 6: bowling whatever. The guy ended up asking me out that
Speaker 6: night or like got your phone number? No, yeah, and
Speaker 6: he messaged me. We all had each other's number after
Speaker 6: the little hospital event thing. Okay, so he messaged me asking,
Speaker 6: you know, to pursue whatever. I literally messaged him back
Speaker 6: and said, my friend is interested in you. I respect
Speaker 6: her and her feelings. I'm not going to do that. Sorry.
Speaker 5: That was it.
Speaker 3: Did Tanisha ever go out with this guy? Or she
Speaker 3: just had hot just that.
Speaker 6: One time, just that one time, but she felt I
Speaker 6: didn't tell her this. I did not tell her that
Speaker 6: he had messaged me asking me out, you.
Speaker 5: Need an yell at her, your dumb, stupid bitch. Yeah, no,
Speaker 5: let's talk about your need.
Speaker 6: The text messages with this guy where he even said,
Speaker 6: you know, like, I respect that Tenish is just not
Speaker 6: my type. I don't see anything with her, but I
Speaker 6: see that with you. And I was like, I'm sorry,
Speaker 6: it's not gonna happen.
Speaker 3: You don't need to release any more text messages. I
Speaker 3: do not do that now.
Speaker 5: Sometime, I know, but sometimes you go a little too low.
Speaker 3: For our tea.
Speaker 5: And Tam knows something about that.
Speaker 3: I know a little something about that too, because I've
Speaker 3: done it too.
Speaker 6: We're all we're all guilty of ship. Yes, I feel
Speaker 6: like i'm definitely being you know, massacred here for ship.
Speaker 6: We've all done.
Speaker 3: Listen, I'm not judging. I'm not judging you. I've been
Speaker 3: throwing napkins. I've been calling names for years now.
Speaker 5: But you do go a little bit too low. Talk
Speaker 5: about agent age, talking about when name name name them girl?
Speaker 3: When when well, maybe were the looks maybe, Lisa, I
Speaker 3: think you said she took like a leather handbag.
Speaker 6: I think.
Speaker 5: Did I just make that up?
Speaker 3: Old leather bitch or something like that? Okay, can we
Speaker 3: regret any of those? Would you like to take any
Speaker 3: of those back? No, Jesus Monica.
Speaker 5: You don't.
Speaker 2: We're handing it to you on a platter to go.
Speaker 2: Maybe I shouldn't go for people's looks.
Speaker 6: I'll apologize for I apologize for the security cameras. I
Speaker 6: apologize for age shaming. I mean, am I is she
Speaker 6: gonna apologize to me for calling me a Pillsbury dough girl?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 6: Okay?
Speaker 3: Like I got called the michelin man once?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Like, no, do you think she's gonna go?
Speaker 3: It doesn't mean you don't. You can't.
Speaker 6: Two wrongs.
Speaker 3: Don't make a ride, they say, ready to hang up
Speaker 3: on both of mine?
Speaker 5: All right, you don't have to apologize for it. But look, I.
Speaker 6: When I apologize, I mean it. And that's why on
Speaker 6: that reunion stage, I did not apologize. I was not
Speaker 6: in a place to apologize to them after getting completely
Speaker 6: beat up for thirteen hours, and all they wanted was
Speaker 6: an apology. That's bullshit, because there were a few times
Speaker 6: where I did start to apologize and they completely shut
Speaker 6: me down. And like Andy Cohen said, on that stage,
Speaker 6: is there anything Monica could have set And they were
Speaker 6: like no, no, and.
Speaker 3: He would like, they've had their mindset on you.
Speaker 6: The on walked onto that stage on my knees kissing
Speaker 6: their ass, and it would have had the same results.
Speaker 6: It would not have mattered. So you know that. I mean,
Speaker 6: there was no need to apologize because I wasn't being
Speaker 6: heard anyway.
Speaker 2: I feel like halfway through their season, they're gonna realize, shit,
Speaker 2: they need you, you know what, I need this, They
Speaker 2: need you. But I have to and then I'm gonna
Speaker 2: stop grilling you, and then I'm gonna allow it be
Speaker 2: a little bit more fun.
Speaker 5: But I need to clear up some of these questions.
Speaker 2: Okay, why did you say you never went into Meredith store?
Speaker 5: And then they showed a picture of you, and I pulled.
Speaker 6: Up to this scene. Production came up to me and said, okay,
Speaker 6: you know you're going to walk in. They're and be like,
Speaker 6: oh my god, I've never been here before. This is
Speaker 6: so beautiful. I'm like, wow, I have been here before.
Speaker 6: I've been here with Jen, And they're like, well, that's
Speaker 6: not how we're running it. We're running it like it's
Speaker 6: your first time here. I fucking went with that and said,
Speaker 6: oh my god, So you.
Speaker 3: Meant first time on camera? Yeah, it was the first
Speaker 3: time on camera too.
Speaker 6: I mean no, the first time was on.
Speaker 5: A security camp.
Speaker 6: But is security check that Those are two separate things
Speaker 6: that to do with somebody else. I just happened to
Speaker 6: be there. And also, nobody stole a damn clutch.
Speaker 5: Oh, I wasn't even going to bring up the stealing
Speaker 5: of a clutch. I was gonna let that.
Speaker 6: Because I know that people are tagging it together. No
Speaker 6: one stole a clutch, nobody stole shit. But yes, I
Speaker 6: was on the security footage or whatever because I was
Speaker 6: with Gen and the other.
Speaker 3: Okay, so you're just basically saying this is my first time,
Speaker 3: like you're on camera the first time restaurant.
Speaker 2: And they'll say, like, say, how beautiful it is when
Speaker 2: you walk in? Yeah, like that's what she did. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 6: I should have just been like, no, I'm not doing that.
Speaker 6: I have been here before. I'm going to run it.
Speaker 6: How I would you know, I'm just going to be
Speaker 6: like I was here before with Jen. I should have
Speaker 6: just said that instead of being like, oh my, like
Speaker 6: that's my dad, that's my bad.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's not even a bad bad. The Burn Book,
Speaker 3: where is it?
Speaker 6: It's in my house?
Speaker 5: You send it to us?
Speaker 3: No, I think it needs to be anything needs to
Speaker 3: be in the clubhouse.
Speaker 6: I am so mad about that Burn Book. You guys.
Speaker 6: It did not get the tension that it deserved, and
Speaker 6: it looked like everyone's like that shit flopped. I'm like,
Speaker 6: it's so good if we.
Speaker 2: Didn't have been good, but it needed to stay consistent
Speaker 2: with one theme you I did not get.
Speaker 6: Do you guys know that every single time I would
Speaker 6: start talking, it was like like we were all if
Speaker 6: you guys were there, it was so it was a mess.
Speaker 6: It felt very chaotic. It was like we didn't even
Speaker 6: do you guys notice we didn't even talk about half
Speaker 6: the shit that actually happened on the show. We didn't
Speaker 6: talk about vagina Gate. We didn't talk about how they're
Speaker 6: pushing Whitney in a freakin' bar. We didn't talk about
Speaker 6: like so much shit that happened that wasn't even.
Speaker 5: What are you saying?
Speaker 3: Because the entire reunion was about you, Monica say.
Speaker 2: That, Well, this is your moment to validate the burn books,
Speaker 2: So tell us what we missed.
Speaker 6: You missed so much stuff because in it was so
Speaker 6: many receipts and proof and showing that people had full
Speaker 6: knowledge of who was behind this page from the very beginning,
Speaker 6: how much they were fans of this page. And so
Speaker 6: to spin it like you're disgusting, you're a stalker, you
Speaker 6: talked shit on our friend is it's actually really sad,
Speaker 6: Like it's really fucking sad because they hated her just
Speaker 6: as much as we did. And it's crazy to villainize
Speaker 6: me for having feelings that you also have, like you
Speaker 6: just a gen gone just as much as we did.
Speaker 6: So stop messages in there from people saying I'm going
Speaker 6: to throw a celebration party when she's in jail, but
Speaker 6: you're do you care to.
Speaker 5: Clarify which person you're talking about?
Speaker 6: No, it was more than one person.
Speaker 3: Can I give you Can I give you props about something?
Speaker 6: What?
Speaker 3: No, this is we were hearing about at the reunion.
Speaker 3: Heather lied about the black Eye. I still think it
Speaker 3: is a lie. There was an internal investigation that could
Speaker 3: be detrimental to someone in production. They could have gotten fired.
Speaker 3: You sat there and you didn't say a word. This
Speaker 3: was your time to say something, and you just you.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying I give you props for that because
Speaker 3: I'd like you to say something now.
Speaker 6: Well, thank you, Tamra.
Speaker 3: No, honestly, I mean it showed your character right there.
Speaker 3: You're like, yeah, you know, yeah, thank you.
Speaker 6: I am not going to take away any kind of
Speaker 6: trauma or how someone responds when they have to deal
Speaker 6: with Jen. I know that to be very real and
Speaker 6: very true, and unless you experience it, I really don't
Speaker 6: even think you understand. And I am not going to
Speaker 6: take that away from Heather. I'm also not going to
Speaker 6: take away any kind of physical abuse from anybody, because
Speaker 6: I have experienced it myself and I would never ever
Speaker 6: do that. I I feel like you, like, there's probably
Speaker 6: a lot of things in relation to the black Eye
Speaker 6: story that don't make sense. But I Am not going
Speaker 6: to sit there and take that away from her.
Speaker 3: Do you think Jen gave her the black eye? Is
Speaker 3: it a possibility, It's a possibility.
Speaker 6: Sure, it's a possibility. I I will tell you there
Speaker 6: wasn't a doubt in my mind that she did it
Speaker 6: when this all first surfaced. But after dealing with h
Speaker 6: Ever personally and seeing what she's done to me and
Speaker 6: the lies that have been told about me, I'm like,
Speaker 6: is she lying on gen Jen?
Speaker 3: Well, you know I called it before the black eye
Speaker 3: even was an ex boast. I noticed filming dinners when
Speaker 3: you guys were on vacation or when she was on
Speaker 3: vacation last year, there was a starting of a black eye.
Speaker 3: There was red marks, there was a like an early
Speaker 3: bruise on her eye. She put sunglasses on, put them on,
Speaker 3: take them off, put them on during dinner. I thought
Speaker 3: it was really strange.
Speaker 6: I never think that. I never until people started I did.
Speaker 3: And I know also know like when you get hit
Speaker 3: in the eye like that, it doesn't turn black that quick.
Speaker 3: It just doesn't turn black in a couple of hours.
Speaker 6: I figured, oh, Jen could have done that because Jen
Speaker 6: wears these huge, gaudy rings and I'm like, she got
Speaker 6: not with one of those rings, Like, but I.
Speaker 3: Think that for it to be that black, it would
Speaker 3: have busted open the skin. I would think.
Speaker 6: I didn't even think about that either, to be honest,
Speaker 6: I just I feel like you said, she you know,
Speaker 6: there was there was a full investigation, there were lawyers involved.
Speaker 6: I mean, this was like a big deal.
Speaker 3: This was a big deal.
Speaker 6: She was lying to officers, lawyers, investigators, the network, Andy Cohen, production,
Speaker 6: the castmates, you know. And I was just like, girl,
Speaker 6: I get it if that's what happened, because do you
Speaker 6: think that I dated that. If it is.
Speaker 3: As bad or worse than you having a burner account.
Speaker 6: I personally feel like that is worse fine.
Speaker 2: The fact to blame production, to say that it could
Speaker 2: have been production, or it could have been this, or
Speaker 2: to even string everybody along and make it a game.
Speaker 6: Well, and then she sit there and laughed like she
Speaker 6: was like that was a joke. And I'm like, but
Speaker 6: also if I were to say that, like, oh that
Speaker 6: was a joke, you know, they would have been like
Speaker 6: you're sick, You're sick. You know. So I mean, I
Speaker 6: don't I don't get it. I really don't.
Speaker 3: I know this is tough. I'm just trying to wrap
Speaker 3: my brain around everything. I mean, she got like good
Speaker 3: terms with Heather, but I have a feeling she's gonna
Speaker 3: unfollow us really quickly. I don't think she followed me again,
Speaker 3: very sensitive. It's not that I'm trying to blame anything
Speaker 3: on her. I'm just trying to understand this.
Speaker 6: No, and I'm not either. I mean, even considering everything
Speaker 6: I've been through with her, I can still sit here
Speaker 6: and say, Okay, you did whatever because I did ship
Speaker 6: that I shouldn't have done, wouldn't have done if not
Speaker 6: put in a crazy situation, you know.
Speaker 3: So I don't know, let's move on from Heather and
Speaker 3: let's move on to your mom. Have you guys talked
Speaker 3: at all or you know, it just seems like it's
Speaker 3: always forever going to be kind of a struggle between
Speaker 3: the two of you. But are you in better terms
Speaker 3: or is it somebody You're just it's time to cut ties?
Speaker 6: You know, I'm gonna try. This is actually hard for
Speaker 6: me because, yeah, having everyone say that that was fake
Speaker 6: has been one of the hardest things because that shit
Speaker 6: is so real for me and so much worse in
Speaker 6: real life. And you know, I know people are like
Speaker 6: they both deserve an Emmy for you know act, It's like,
Speaker 6: are you insane? Like this is my life and my
Speaker 6: kid's life. Yeah, And that was all so awful, and
Speaker 6: to me it felt so normal for so long that
Speaker 6: it took me seeing it on fucking television to be like,
Speaker 6: I cannot do this anymore. The last time I talked
Speaker 6: to my mom, she looked at me and said, you
Speaker 6: no longer have a mother and I no longer have
Speaker 6: a daughter.
Speaker 3: She was very brutal with her words, like I was shocked.
Speaker 2: Why do you think she's still posting on Twitter acts
Speaker 2: or whatever is that for?
Speaker 5: I don't for more attention or to write her name.
Speaker 5: I like, do your kids?
Speaker 6: I'll be honest, Even after everything that went down and filming,
Speaker 6: I am so like programmed to just forgive her and
Speaker 6: move on that I still would have, But after seeing
Speaker 6: how she's acted on Twitter too, I'm like, we are done.
Speaker 5: We are Does she try to reach out to you now?
Speaker 6: There is zero communication right now?
Speaker 3: What about your kids? Does she reach out to your kids?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 5: Not that I know of.
Speaker 6: I mean I would never ask, you know, I haven't
Speaker 6: any And so it's up to her at this point.
Speaker 6: But like my other three.
Speaker 3: No, it's sad. I hate to see families like that.
Speaker 3: I mean, I've had my own issues as well, but
Speaker 3: it's it's tough, it's difficult.
Speaker 2: I don't think at any point that seemed on your
Speaker 2: part like you were acting or No.
Speaker 6: I was absolutely devastated at that Easter dinner. I I felt
Speaker 6: so alone and my mom was teaming up with the
Speaker 6: other women and I just I mean, I exploded, that
Speaker 6: was just.
Speaker 3: Getting our camera time.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2: Before you guys started filming, had you guys tried to
Speaker 2: reconcile your relationship at all?
Speaker 6: You were in a good place, to be honest, And
Speaker 6: this is the thing with my relationship with my mom
Speaker 6: is it's up down, up, down, up down. When we
Speaker 6: started filming, we were in an up and I told production,
Speaker 6: because I know the pattern of our relationship, you guys
Speaker 6: are probably going to see some stuff like we're probably
Speaker 6: going to fight. I had no idea it was it
Speaker 6: was going to be what it ended up being, which
Speaker 6: ultimately was the complete demise of our relationship or any
Speaker 6: future that there is with us. When it's done, I'm done,
Speaker 6: Like I'm done.
Speaker 5: Do you think.
Speaker 2: Like when you're looking back at the past season, is
Speaker 2: there a part of you that's like, Okay, yeah this
Speaker 2: was shitty, this was shit, but like this this was
Speaker 2: a positive of doing the show, of this happening, or
Speaker 2: I'm glad I did it because of this, like or
Speaker 2: do you just kind of like have sad like I mean,
Speaker 2: I even know when I got booted, I was like, God,
Speaker 2: am I not enough?
Speaker 5: Am I not this?
Speaker 2: You know, like I really beat myself up, like I
Speaker 2: wasn't good enough? But I also have like, oh wow,
Speaker 2: I made some amazing friends. I had so much fun,
Speaker 2: you know, like a wunch places I would never would
Speaker 2: have gone, like do you have that?
Speaker 5: On both sides, I had.
Speaker 6: A wonderful experience. Fill me, Okay, this is the thing.
Speaker 6: Raba was amazing. Production was great. You guys haven't been incredible. Camera.
Speaker 6: You were the first ever housewife to reach out to
Speaker 6: me to message mellow me.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 6: It makes me emotional because I was alone, you guys.
Speaker 6: I was completely alone in this whole journey. But I
Speaker 6: had an incredible time up until the very end, and
Speaker 6: when it got bad, it was so bad. So yes,
Speaker 6: I had wonderful time, wonderful experiences. It was just literally
Speaker 6: finale and at that have been absolutely insane.
Speaker 5: Do you still talk to Andy who?
Speaker 6: Andy Cohen?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Well I had, I had. I'm like Waity my makeup artist. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I talked to him all the time. No, I don't
Speaker 6: talk to Andy Cohen, but he was always so great.
Speaker 6: He was always so nice.
Speaker 3: How did you actually find out that you were not returning?
Speaker 3: Who made that phone call?
Speaker 6: Well? Aside from knowing, yeah, well we talked.
Speaker 3: We talked and you said, I don't think it's looking
Speaker 3: good girls, I told you.
Speaker 5: I was like, I.
Speaker 1: Know you.
Speaker 6: I knew because I had been told by multiple people
Speaker 6: that the plan was to get me off the show,
Speaker 6: and you know, it happened. I knew it was coming.
Speaker 2: So so that being said, I know we're running out
Speaker 2: of time, But if you were asked to come back,
Speaker 2: would you say yes?
Speaker 6: I think it's ridiculous to sit here and be like, no,
Speaker 6: I would not go back, because obviously I would. I
Speaker 6: kind of feel like anyone that's like, no, I'm not
Speaker 6: going back is lying Yeah. I think. I mean, I
Speaker 6: don't think I could go back in this, like I
Speaker 6: would have to be friends with someone like I don't
Speaker 6: think I could go back in this situation. I mean
Speaker 6: I would, We all know I would.
Speaker 3: But would you go on the show and film a
Speaker 3: lunch with Mary? Do you think like that could be
Speaker 3: your stepping stone back into the show.
Speaker 6: I love Mary, and I know there's so many different
Speaker 6: opinions and whatever. I'm Mary, but I can only go
Speaker 6: based off how someone treats me. And she has been
Speaker 6: so kind to me, And yeah, I would film with Mary.
Speaker 6: But I just I know that the women and they
Speaker 6: tried to do this at Bravo Kan too.
Speaker 7: I know that they are, you know, united, and I
Speaker 7: remember there was some shit to be had because as
Speaker 7: Whitney talked with you, I think I was there at
Speaker 7: the moment that happened.
Speaker 3: We were in the we were in the like lunch room. Yeah, Whitney,
Speaker 3: I don't know if she came over and talked to
Speaker 3: you or what was said. I can't remember, but went
Speaker 3: Heather was like the boss.
Speaker 6: I saw that and then yep, yeah, and there was
Speaker 6: other ship. There was so much shit that happened at
Speaker 6: Bravo Cot.
Speaker 3: We cried when she found out. I remember it all.
Speaker 6: I mean, it's a mess, it's a mess, but yeah,
Speaker 6: they actually, you know, they mean, this is I don't
Speaker 6: know what to do because I didn't even think that
Speaker 6: this was possible. I didn't think that you could just
Speaker 6: all come together and ice someone out. But I didn't.
Speaker 3: I didn't either, And it's never I don't know that
Speaker 3: it's happened on my cast. Like there's a lot of
Speaker 3: people I wanted off. I've been accused by so many
Speaker 3: people of getting somebody fired or this person. It doesn't
Speaker 3: they don't call me and say.
Speaker 5: Hey, Tara, what do you want who would you like fied?
Speaker 3: In fact, if I say I want them fired, the
Speaker 3: raise for them to be there, they get a raise. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I just keep my mouth shut on that for
Speaker 3: the most part. I mean yeah, But.
Speaker 2: On a positive note, I mean, I think you can
Speaker 2: tell by doing we can tell by doing this interview,
Speaker 2: like you're being raw, you're sharing your emotions. It's a good,
Speaker 2: the bad, and the ugly, just like all of us.
Speaker 2: We all have those things like that we regret or
Speaker 2: that we're not ashamed of or that we're proud of.
Speaker 2: Where do you if you could if you could say,
Speaker 2: like this is what I would like next, Like where
Speaker 2: does where does that take you? Like if you could
Speaker 2: manifest it right now? What do you want for your life?
Speaker 2: What do you want for yourself?
Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, that's such a loaded question. I want
Speaker 6: love and I want my daughters to see an actual
Speaker 6: loving relationship an example of that, because they haven't. I
Speaker 6: would love to, obviously go on Traders same I'm manifesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, manifest together.
Speaker 6: Oh that would be so amazing. Oh my gosh. But yeah,
Speaker 6: I mean, I just want to be in place. This
Speaker 6: is why I did the show in the first place.
Speaker 6: I just want to be able to provide for my
Speaker 6: children comfortably where I do not have to rely on
Speaker 6: anyone else. And if I want to, you know, take
Speaker 6: them somewhere, I can take them somewhere, if you know.
Speaker 6: I just I don't want to stress about having to
Speaker 6: provide for my girls.
Speaker 3: And do you get I don't know if there's ever
Speaker 3: touchdown on but do you get help from their father?
Speaker 3: Does he see them? Does he help support them? Are
Speaker 3: you just doing it all on your own?
Speaker 6: Okay? I will say Mike is an amazing dad, Like
Speaker 6: I have a lot to say about that man, But
Speaker 6: when it comes to being a father, he makes sure
Speaker 6: they are taken care of and I will never take
Speaker 6: that away from him. He he is. I know I
Speaker 6: needed something, I could call him and he would be
Speaker 6: there for them. That's you know, my oldest that wasn't
Speaker 6: the case, and so I'm very grateful for him. He
Speaker 6: is a very very stable father.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh good, that's awesome. That makes me happy.
Speaker 2: Well, we want to manifest good things for you. We
Speaker 2: love chatting with you every single time. We appreciate you
Speaker 2: being honest and like being in the hot seat and
Speaker 2: just taking it and like, yeah we are twats, so
Speaker 2: we just keep it going.
Speaker 3: No, I'm great, one's than the other.
Speaker 5: Oh please, I'm just fatting on the podcast. Your twa
Speaker 5: all twater all all other.
Speaker 6: Water you sure I'll buy that.
Speaker 3: Thank you for sitting in the twat seat today.
Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you for joining and being in the
Speaker 5: twat seat.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 5: So we're gonna.
Speaker 3: Manifest a nice guy and a snowflake for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and a nice guy, a snowflake and a little
Speaker 2: bit of traders. We're a little bit of take it happened.
Speaker 5: Yeah, thanks Monica.
Speaker 3: Thank you Monica so much. Bye bye.