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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori

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Speaker 1: with Ross Coultart in his book is called In Plain Sight,

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Speaker 1: and Ross says, we get into the bent Water story

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Speaker 1: to have you finished that. I do have to compliment

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Speaker 1: you on one of the most thorough investigative books I've

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Speaker 1: ever read on the field of upology. You did just

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Speaker 1: a tremendous job on this. That's very kind of you, George.

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Speaker 1: I tried to start out, I suppose, by writing a

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Speaker 1: book that is a primer for people who are not

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Speaker 1: as familiar perhaps as your audience with the phenomenon. And

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Speaker 1: I was actually amazed because I didn't know whether I

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Speaker 1: had enough for a book. And in the end, my

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Speaker 1: publisher asked me to take out about fifty thousand words

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Speaker 1: because I wrote way too much. It's a fascinating area,

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Speaker 1: and I think the thing that really strikes me as

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Speaker 1: a journalist, as somebody who I suppose you could call

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Speaker 1: me a mainstream and investigative journalist reputation, and what strikes

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Speaker 1: me as interesting is media have largely ignored the UAP

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Speaker 1: subject for decades because they've told themselves. They've been told

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Speaker 1: that they have been disinformed into the impression that this

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Speaker 1: is a subject that really shouldn't be traversed. But it

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Speaker 1: was cases like vent Water that woke me up. And

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Speaker 1: I'll take you to this forest in England and Randallsham

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Speaker 1: Forest and it's very interesting because the key component to

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Speaker 1: that story was the nuclear weapons. That whilst the US

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Speaker 1: never admits that it's got nuclear weapons stored on a site,

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Speaker 1: it did. It was a well known location for the

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Speaker 1: storage of nuclear weapons that would be deployed in the

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Speaker 1: event of the Third World War. And I spoke to

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Speaker 1: witnesses and I've actually as recently as a few weeks ago,

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Speaker 1: I've spoken to witnesses who described to me an object,

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Speaker 1: clearly intelligent controlled, hovering over where the nuclear weapons were

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Speaker 1: stored in the American base. It was sending a lightdown,

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Speaker 1: projecting a lightdown and scanning the area. And that really

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Speaker 1: stuck with me. George, I've got to keep that memory

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Speaker 1: because I came back to Australia and what happened was

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Speaker 1: I started getting sources. I've been a large part of

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Speaker 1: my career reporting on the miseries of both of our

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Speaker 1: country's engagements in Iraq and Afghanistan, and covering the tragedy

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Speaker 1: Ballei terror attack. And I've built up contacts people in

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Speaker 1: the intelligence and defense community who trust me and their

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Speaker 1: confidential sources. They're people who give me information as a journalist.

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Speaker 1: And I routinely would go to America to interview people

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Speaker 1: in your military and defense and intelligence area. And it

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Speaker 1: was interesting because I started asking about UAPs, and initially

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Speaker 1: there'd be a kind of an embarrassed silence, and then

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Speaker 1: one or two of them would say to me, you

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Speaker 1: one guy in particular invited me to go and join

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Speaker 1: them at a Georgetown bar in Washington, DC, and he

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Speaker 1: sat me down and he told me about incidents that

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Speaker 1: I thought it was nuclear weapons that these things are

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Speaker 1: interested in me. He said, well, you guys don't have

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Speaker 1: nuclear weapons in your country, but what you do have bases,

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Speaker 1: US bases that are incredibly important to the US strategic

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Speaker 1: nuclear deterrence. And I'll be honest, I kind of knew

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Speaker 1: he said to me, he said, well, ross Northwest Cape,

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Speaker 1: And I said, you're kidding. He says no, he says,

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Speaker 1: I said to us, I said, doesn't this make us

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Speaker 1: interest in this Harold Halt Naval Communication Station, which until

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety one was actually mainly manned and commanded by Americans.

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Speaker 1: the closest to nuclear war. It was October nineteen seventy

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Speaker 1: three and the Arabs and the Israelis were having a

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Speaker 1: And it involved a massive operational deployment of American forces

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