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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds, and Governor Andy Buscher says he got

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Speaker 1: calls suggesting that Mitch McConnell is dead, dumped, und dump.

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Speaker 1: We have such a great joke for you today. George

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Speaker 1: Conway stops by to talk about Trump's deranged speech and

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Speaker 1: his election lies. Then we'll talk to doctor Ashish Jaw

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Speaker 1: about RFK Junior's gross negligence leading to an outbreak of

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Speaker 1: explosive diarrhea. But first the news.

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Speaker 2: So, Molly, have you seen this video of John Solomon,

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Speaker 2: who's one of Trump's propagandists, basically looking like they're trying

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Speaker 2: to drag him to rehab outside the White House after

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Speaker 2: Trump's deranged elections speech.

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Speaker 3: Because this video is very funny.

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Speaker 1: So this's a video after the Trump's speech. Why this

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Speaker 1: video is important and why anything in this speech is important,

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Speaker 1: is because basically they are doing lies about the election

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Speaker 1: in a way they're not quite like making shit up.

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Speaker 1: They're mostly just sort of they're doing what Bill Barr

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Speaker 1: did with the Muller Report. They're miscategorizing things in a

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Speaker 1: way that they hope will make a case. But John

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Speaker 1: Solomon is a really like out there whacko right wing

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Speaker 1: conspiracy I mean, he's like the pizza Gate guy, if

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Speaker 1: the Pizzagate guy were old and had a suit. Actually

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Speaker 1: the pizza Gate guy has suits a little worse fitting,

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Speaker 1: worse fitting. So anyway, he's a wacko. But this actually

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Speaker 1: is not that crazy for him, I think is the

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Speaker 1: net net But we will listen to it and you

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Speaker 1: will be able to decide.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what I like to call this is a half

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Speaker 3: hearted propaganda. Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 4: We're not telling the president.

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Speaker 5: You acknowledge that there were no votes changed in twenty foin.

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Speaker 4: All I can acknowledge is with the intelligence jokes. I

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Speaker 4: only know the Intelligence Comunity has zero evidence that's someone

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Speaker 4: that's flip. That a foreign power flip they vote in

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty twenty two or twenty four and you have

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Speaker 4: no you're able to do through all the documents, you're able.

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Speaker 6: To acknowledge that Venezuela has not tampered with voting machines

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Speaker 6: in the United States.

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Speaker 5: No, the.

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Speaker 4: Intelligence is very clear they did it on their own machines.

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Speaker 4: Why is important that they did it on their machines.

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Speaker 4: Their machine protocols are the same as America. Why just

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Speaker 4: for a long time they did. Twenty twenty election was

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Speaker 4: in fact the results as we the American.

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Speaker 5: I'm researching, so let me let me have this is

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Speaker 5: the first one.

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Speaker 6: There's no intelligence.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there is no intelligence that the election would have

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Speaker 4: said that truck. Thanks.

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Speaker 1: The good news is I don't know. I mean, so

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Speaker 1: John Solomon is saying they didn't change the votes right

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Speaker 1: as well?

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Speaker 2: You know, after Trump was insinuating all this stuff with China,

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Speaker 2: the only things that their own research showed is that

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Speaker 2: Russia tried to right.

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Speaker 1: Russia tried to influence the vote for Donald Trump. China

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Speaker 1: would have liked to have influenced the vote, but didn't.

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Speaker 1: I mean, here's what matters about all of this. We

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Speaker 1: should take from this is that Donald Trump is going

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Speaker 1: to try to mess with the votes, and we need

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Speaker 1: to be vigilant. Everyone needs to vote, Everyone needs to

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Speaker 1: make sure their vote is docu. You know, we have

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Speaker 1: all sorts of things in place so you can track

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Speaker 1: your ballots and you can track your vote. Are our

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Speaker 1: vote's going to be safe? Yes? Is it going to

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Speaker 1: be free and fair? Yes? Will Donald Trump try to

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Speaker 1: prevent the House from being seated. Probably. So there are

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Speaker 1: a lot of people out there, and we're going to

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Speaker 1: have them over the next couple of months who are

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Speaker 1: involved in election security organizations, people like Mark Olias, people

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Speaker 1: come and talk about how they're going to take this

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Speaker 1: fight to the courts. Where this fight we're ultimately Donald Trump,

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Speaker 1: as he loses with everything, we'll lose in the courts

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Speaker 2: So when we're facing very formidable foes and as incompetent

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Speaker 3: I would love if the DNC functioned a little better,

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Speaker 3: and this headline inspires no competence. DNC officers were asked

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Speaker 1: Okay, so here's what's happening. There is a very very

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Speaker 1: We have a guy called Ben Wickler who was the

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Speaker 1: a disaster. Ken Martin does not want to resign. So

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Speaker 1: we have a situation where Ken Martin is asking DNC

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Speaker 1: this is just an insane, stupid, unnecessary situation that could

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Speaker 1: This is from axios, a break from past practices for

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Speaker 1: such officers. DNC chair Ken Martin sensitive about the party's

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Speaker 1: money was by the way the party, it's the DNC.

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Speaker 1: People don't want to give money to Ken Martin. People

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Speaker 1: It's just that people don't want to give Ken Martin money.

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Speaker 1: And there's a reason for that. He's not good on television,

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Speaker 1: the one job of the DNC is to raise money

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Speaker 1: for Democratic candidates, like so, I mean, I guess he

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Speaker 1: The DNC has nearly fifteen million on hand but eighteen

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Speaker 1: from the end of May, the RNC has one hundred

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Speaker 1: and twenty five million on hand and no debt. So

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Speaker 1: Ken Martin should resign. We could say more about this,

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Speaker 1: but you're not good at your job and you should resign.

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Speaker 1: In a contentious pod Save America interview this year, Martin

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Speaker 1: argued to suggest we're not raising money. Isn't inaccurate. What

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Speaker 1: we're doing is different. We're spending it. Nope, honey, that's

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Speaker 1: spending it, but it's a disaster. And now he's going

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Speaker 1: to have people sign in, which is just not the

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Speaker 1: way to do this. Chris Low, the DNC's national finance

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Speaker 2: So interestingly, I felt like since January with the murders

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Speaker 2: a lot more quiet about ICE since then. But interestingly,

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Speaker 2: ICE arrests have surged in July, reaching a high under Trump.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is such an important story. And remember,

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Speaker 1: since Christinome was fired, you'll remember Christine Nome as being

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Speaker 1: And here's what's happened. They are doing the damage that

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Speaker 1: Christinom did without the press. And they have killed I

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Speaker 1: think two different people this week. Right, they killed somebody

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Speaker 1: They're killing people in Maine, They're killing people in Florida.

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Speaker 1: Somebody died when they were hit by a truck fleeing agents.

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Speaker 1: And here's the thing, these are the deaths you're reading about. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So if you're reading about these they killed two people

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Speaker 1: I mean, these are just the deaths that somebody videotapes, right,

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Speaker 1: because otherwise you don't hear about these things. So remember,

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Speaker 1: ice is arresting more people. That's because Stephen Miller has

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Speaker 1: demanded it. Are these people, Dandrews, No, A lot of

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Speaker 1: these people are like hard working construction worker. I mean,

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Speaker 1: This is not the way anyone wants to live.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's talk about one of these deaths. One

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Speaker 2: of the most disturbing things is this interview that was

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Speaker 2: shooting victims, where She said his delusions were off and

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Speaker 2: another one of his Hallution Nation delusions. She also said

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Speaker 2: shows the due diligence that they're hiring with.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think they're hiring for that. An

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Speaker 1: towards family. He's shot a Columbian man in Maine this week,

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Speaker 1: an Army veteran who struggled with serious mental health issues

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Speaker 1: this is a story from the AP that is just horrific.

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Speaker 1: have histories of domestic violence. More often than not they do.

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Speaker 1: So I just want to flag that that's how this happens,

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Speaker 1: that's how we get here, that's the secret sauce, and

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Speaker 1: a lot of these people are really scary, violent people,

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Speaker 1: and they're not. You know, none of this is about

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Speaker 1: law enforcement. None of this is even about immigration. This

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Speaker 1: is all about hurting people. It's all about owning the lives.

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Speaker 1: It's all about terrifying immigrants, and that is where we are.

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Speaker 1: So none of this should be surprising, but it is

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Speaker 1: just it's just so heartbreaking. And also it's just so

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Speaker 1: it's just an insane way to live that none of

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Speaker 1: us have to live like this, And it's also in

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Speaker 1: some ways I think we should be happy, and it's

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Speaker 1: a worse believe or not. George Conway is a lawyer

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Speaker 6: Hello, Hello to you.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump.

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Speaker 6: Last night, Oh that guy, right, everybody tries to forget

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Speaker 6: about him.

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Speaker 1: I know what happened last night.

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Speaker 6: I don't know. I think they had to let the

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Speaker 6: old man rant or something or else they'd have to

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Speaker 6: listen to him. So I put him on TV and

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Speaker 6: let him rant up the country. So I think I

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Speaker 6: think we all often look to two complicated explanations for

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Speaker 6: what he's doing, and you know, he's doing something clever

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Speaker 6: or smart. I just think they can't control him. And

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Speaker 6: he just does whatever he wants.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I think that's right too. And one

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Speaker 6: Didn't make up They didn't make up lies in the

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Speaker 6: Matter, right, And then they're going to be people in

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Speaker 6: I mean, you know, Fox News, there are some lawyers there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So that was my next question is like, clearly

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Speaker 6: And that is the thing. I mean, even in you know,

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Speaker 6: I mean I saw it in New York City over

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Speaker 6: the last few months. You can you know it's people

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Speaker 6: want to talk about they're tuning this out because it's

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Speaker 6: so bad. And that's why, you know, I mean, where

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Speaker 6: are the No Kings rallies lately? For like, you know,

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Speaker 6: there should be these rallies. I mean, if you had

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Speaker 6: an engaged populace, you'd be having these rallies every week

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Speaker 6: or every two weeks. And you know, I mean I

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Speaker 6: love the ones that I've been to, but you just

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Speaker 6: you just get the feeling that there are people are

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Speaker 6: just thinking, we just have to wait this guy out

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Speaker 6: for two years. And that's something you know, I've been

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Speaker 6: beating that drum for a while, was like, I don't know,

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Speaker 6: we make it through two years more of this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard about the flags, right, they don't have

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Speaker 1: the same taking down the Trump flags. And that's partially

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Speaker 1: I think because Trump told them he was going to

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Speaker 1: make things cheaper, right, and things are not any cheaper,

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Speaker 1: and that was going.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, And it's not fun anymore. Right, He's not

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Speaker 6: fun anymore. He's boring, he's monotone. He says the same

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Speaker 6: We've heard him say these same things, and now he's

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Speaker 6: saying them in a weaker fashion than ever possible. He's

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Speaker 6: got low you know, he's low energy, low tee clear

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Speaker 6: when he delivers these lines. And it's not fun anymore.

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Speaker 6: I mean, it was fun back in twenty seventeen and

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Speaker 6: twenty eighteen because people like Molly would.

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Speaker 1: Get so pissed off, right, right, right.

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Speaker 6: But you know, there's he's not drawing that kind of

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Speaker 6: reaction anymore. And it's like we've been saying the same

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Speaker 6: every week. Both sides have been saying the same thing

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Speaker 6: now for nine or ten years. We say he's he's

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Speaker 6: a criminal nutcase, and they say yeah, but nobody cares.

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Speaker 6: And that's right. The problem that the apathy, I think

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Speaker 6: is what's the most dangerous, you know, element of the

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Speaker 6: current situation.

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Speaker 1: You said this thing to me once said, I'm struck

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Speaker 1: by which is you said Trump would ultimately destroy the

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Speaker 1: Republican Party. Yes, we're watching now these rations right.

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Speaker 6: On schedule, Right on schedule, I could.

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Speaker 1: So we're watching these confirmation hearings of Todd Blanche, who

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Speaker 1: in a normal world would not the AG, but in

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Speaker 1: Trump world is considered to be much less crazy than bonding. Maybe.

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Speaker 1: I mean, hard to know, but I wonder you know,

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Speaker 1: we're watching like these three sane leaves, like last three

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Speaker 1: Saint Republicans who have lost their seats in primary contest

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Speaker 1: because Trump has gone, you know, he wants corny and

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Speaker 1: replaced by Paxton, who has been you know, had an

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Speaker 1: impeachment trial against him, right, I mean, just the craziest people.

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Speaker 1: When you watch that, does it feel like the destruction

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Speaker 1: of the Republican Party.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, No, I mean I think it's it's falling apart.

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Speaker 6: I mean, look, he's got he's always gonna have a

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Speaker 6: base of like twenty to twenty five percent at least.

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Speaker 6: But you can see he's the most unpopular president in

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Speaker 6: American history, which means he's lost He's mainly lost popularity

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Speaker 6: among independence but he's lost you know, a lot of

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Speaker 6: popularity among his base. He's lost swing voters. I mean,

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Speaker 6: the problem really is is that he's got no way

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Speaker 6: to win these people back. And then you've got the

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Speaker 6: fact that everybody he can't hold the party together because

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Speaker 6: they're less afraid of him than before. It's not new,

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Speaker 6: and they know that, you know, he looks weaker every day.

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Speaker 6: They you know, he may he maybe he serves out

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Speaker 6: his term, maybe he doesn't, we don't know, for impeachment

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Speaker 6: or otherwise. And people are less afraid of him. And

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Speaker 6: then you have the question of who gets the mantle afterward.

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Speaker 6: And you're seeing you know, you're seeing these cracks in

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Speaker 6: the party. You see Tucker Callson purporting to form a

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Speaker 6: new third party. You see all the influencers social influencers

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Speaker 6: on the right saying what happened with this stupid war?

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Speaker 6: You told us no foreign wars? All these things. That

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Speaker 6: this is a disparate group of the people who support Trump.

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Speaker 6: I mean, it consists of people who are completely tuned

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Speaker 6: out and just hate everybody. You got You've got fundamentalists

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Speaker 6: have deluded themselves into thinking that a papist is somehow

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Speaker 6: going to be their man of God. You've got rich

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Speaker 6: people who just want to see their taxes. Lord, these

512
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Speaker 6: people all they're all going to go in different directions.

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Speaker 6: I mean, you've got Vans and then you've got Rubio.

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Speaker 6: You know, everybody has their critics of them. You're going

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Speaker 6: to have I got a fundraising email from Doron DeSantis yesterday.

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Speaker 6: I mean, bless his heart, he thinks they're going to

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Speaker 6: be elections in twenty twenty eight. Wow. So you know,

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Speaker 6: there's nobody who can pull off the insanity the way

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Speaker 6: Trump did, which is good and it's bad for the

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Speaker 6: Republican Party because they're just gonna splinter in a bunch

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Speaker 6: of different directions. And I've thought for some time I

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Speaker 6: thought they have, actually ten fifteen years ago, at some point,

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Speaker 6: the two party system that we have is going to

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Speaker 6: break up in a new two party system will form,

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Speaker 6: which happens every so often in American history. I think

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Speaker 6: that's what we're seeing. I think we're definitely seeing some

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Speaker 6: kind of I mean, we've definitely seeing a movement of

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Speaker 6: voters in different directions during the past ten years. I

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Speaker 6: think there are a lot of educated Republicans who are

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Speaker 6: now Democrats, are Democratic meeting high and I think there

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Speaker 6: are a lot of working class Democrats who voted for

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Speaker 6: Obama who became hardcore Trumpers, and that exchange of people

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Speaker 6: is still happening, and we're still seeing kind of a

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Speaker 6: long term shift in political alignment. And I think we're

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Speaker 6: seeing the destruction of the Republican Party, and then I

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Speaker 6: think we see cracks of the Democratic Party with the

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Speaker 6: fights over the DSA. I don't think that's as severe

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Speaker 6: as on the Republican side, because I think it's more

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Speaker 6: regional than a lot of people in Manhattan believe, you know.

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Speaker 6: But I do think there is some there is some party.

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Speaker 6: There's some political realignment going on, and I don't think

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Speaker 6: we know what these parties are going to look like

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Speaker 6: or even necessarily what they're going to be called. We're

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Speaker 6: always gonna have two political parties because you have a

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Speaker 6: political system that is based upon single member districts and

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Speaker 6: first past the post voting. So two parties sort of equilibrates.

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Speaker 6: The country equilibrates at two parties. But I don't know

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Speaker 6: what those two parties are going to look like in

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Speaker 6: fifteen or twenty years. I hope to be around to

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Speaker 6: see that out and read what Heather Crocks riches and

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Speaker 6: has written about it by then. Yeah, but you know,

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Speaker 6: we don't.

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Speaker 1: Know, but I think it's a good point. And another

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Speaker 1: part of the cracks in the Trump administration are these

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Speaker 1: leaks that are starting to happen. Now, you know, the JD.

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Speaker 1: Van Son helicopter story, like that kind of thing would

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Speaker 1: not have happened in the first year of Trump two

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Speaker 1: point oh.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so the first year of Trump two point zero

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Speaker 6: that would not have happened. I think people can see

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Speaker 6: the end, the light at the end of the tunnel,

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Speaker 6: so they're less afraid. And I think the other thing

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Speaker 6: that's going on is that there is some actual I mean,

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Speaker 6: you look at Maggie Haveurin's book. It's incredible how much

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Speaker 6: time talking to the oppressed there was. Yeah, and I

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Speaker 6: think part of what's going on is these people don't

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Speaker 6: they're all heading for the hills, so they're telling their stories. Now.

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Speaker 6: I think they're trying to clean their consciences by telling

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Speaker 6: their stories. But I also think that some of them

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Speaker 6: tell the stories because they don't see anything wrong with it,

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Speaker 6: or they're just excited at being where the action is,

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Speaker 6: even though it's basically an action that's destructive of the

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Speaker 6: country and involves essentially corruption and moral degradation. So George

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Speaker 6: Conway with you always.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Doctor A. She'sh Jaw is a physician, scientist,

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Speaker 1: and bio security expert. Welcome, Welcome, doctor.

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Speaker 5: John hey BALI, thanks for having me here.

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Speaker 1: So you were the person I wanted to talk to

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Speaker 1: about what's happening at this moment, which is an outbreak

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Speaker 1: of explosive diarrhea. Would you set this scene here for

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Speaker 1: me about what happening in this moment?

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Speaker 5: Sure? And I am. I'm sorry that when you think

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Speaker 5: explicit diary, you think, yeah, so that's a that's that's

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Speaker 5: that's not an association that I want widely out there.

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Speaker 5: But okay, look, there's a bug called cyclospora. It's a fungus.

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Speaker 5: It is very common in the sense that every year

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Speaker 5: we see an outbreak of cyclospora. It usually goes up

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Speaker 5: in the in the summer months, and it flies under

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Speaker 5: the radar screen because we don't have a ton of

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Speaker 5: cases of it. People get sick, but not a lot,

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Speaker 5: and then and then it kind of goes away as

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Speaker 5: a summer month's wing. This year we're seeing an unprecedented outbreak.

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Speaker 5: It's somewhere between six and times normal, so it's not like, oh,

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Speaker 5: it's twenty percent higher or fifty percent higher, it's like

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Speaker 5: six hundred percent higher, and so that should sort of

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Speaker 5: trigger like, what's going on? Why are we seeing this?

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Speaker 5: And then you can actually trace back very quickly, in

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Speaker 5: my view, and draw a line between a bunch of

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Speaker 5: things that the Trump administration really the Kennedy and Straighten

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Speaker 5: society to digest it, fear and why we find ourselves

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Speaker 5: in this place. There's a very active surveillance program for

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Speaker 5: cyclosport called food Net that was really pulled back. A

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Speaker 5: lot of the experts who work on these kinds of

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Speaker 5: disease outbreaks were laid off and eliminated as part of

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Speaker 5: the reduction in force.

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Speaker 1: This is RFK junior or this is the richest man

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Speaker 1: in the world, Elon Musk.

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Speaker 5: It's a bit of both. It's Doge, but it is

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Speaker 5: certainly RFK junior. And of course he had the responsibility

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Speaker 5: of being able to say we're going to do this,

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Speaker 5: We're not going to do this when Doge came knocking,

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Speaker 5: So it's not like even if it was a Doge decision,

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Speaker 5: Secretary had plenty of influence. And then of course we

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Speaker 5: know that even after Doge sort of pulled back the

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Speaker 5: Secretary has continued making cuts across CDC. We haven't had

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Speaker 5: a CDC director for most of the administration. We've had

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Speaker 5: one for twenty eight days a Senate confirmed, I think

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Speaker 5: twenty eight or twenty five days, like less than a month.

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Speaker 5: So all that dysfunction is really playing a big role here.

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Speaker 5: You know. The last point I'll make on this, Molly,

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Speaker 5: and I'm happy to dig into more details, is infectious

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Speaker 5: diseases have been around obviously, as long as humanity has

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Speaker 5: been around. We have built up a bunch of systems

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Speaker 5: capabilities to keep infectious diseases that day. Now you know,

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Speaker 5: can't always do it. Yeah, new pandemics like COVID, but

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Speaker 5: things like cyclospora, measles, new world screw worm, like there

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Speaker 5: are all these things that we have like built systems

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Speaker 5: to manage and curtail and keep kind of at low levels.

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Speaker 5: Right and over the last year we've had a dismantling

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Speaker 5: and we're seeing the consequences of all of that.

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Speaker 1: So cyclospora in the lattice, it seems like it's coming

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Speaker 1: from the lattice. They may have sort of figured out

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Speaker 1: where it's coming from. But that's a great example. Screw

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Speaker 1: worm would you talk about screw worm, because that's another

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Speaker 1: one that's that will raise beef prices. Will you just

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Speaker 1: talk us through.

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Speaker 5: That, sure, New World. Screw worm is an infection eliminated

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Speaker 5: in the US, I think in the mid nineteen sixties

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Speaker 5: and a long time ago. And basically the larvae, larvae

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Speaker 5: of this fly gets kind of when it was around

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Speaker 5: in the US and the nineteen sixties, would get deposited

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Speaker 5: in like any open source or wounds that cattle and

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Speaker 5: sheep and others had, and then it would proliferate there

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Speaker 5: and it was awful, and then we'd just kill a

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Speaker 5: lot of cows or make the extremely sick, and of

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Speaker 5: course would have very devastating effects on cattle. We eliminated

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Speaker 5: that in the US and the nineteen sixties. Over the

648
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Speaker 5: last three four years we could see it starting to

649
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Speaker 5: creep back further and further north into Central America. And

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Speaker 5: then last year Doge I think tweets about this like

651
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Speaker 5: why the heck are we it's on screwworm and it

652
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 5: just sounds like one of those quote unquote wasteful government programs,

653
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Speaker 5: And it turns out it's really important, and now that

654
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Speaker 5: it is back in the US, we are going to

655
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Speaker 5: have to spend enormous amount of money to get rid

656
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Speaker 5: of it. Again, we will get rid of it. It

657
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Speaker 5: might take a couple of years, and during that time

658
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Speaker 5: we're going to see higher beef prices, and we're gonna

659
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Speaker 5: see a lot of unnecessary suffering. And so it turns

660
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Speaker 5: out with each of these things that you can save

661
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Speaker 5: money by limiting these programs, and then you end up

662
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Speaker 5: spending ten times more to have to kind of re

663
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Speaker 5: engage and fix this, and of course all the devastation

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Speaker 5: I look. I very much described this as Familier comes

665
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Speaker 5: into office and says, you know, the first time we

666
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Speaker 5: do is get rid of the firefighters, and they're sent

667
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 5: around not doing much anyway, Why do we care about firefighters?

668
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Speaker 5: It turns out to be a really it may sound

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Speaker 5: smart initially, but it turns out to be a really

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Speaker 5: stupid idea. That's a lot of what we're seeing.

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Speaker 1: I would be remiss if we didn't talk about the smoke.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of fires, we are in the middle of another

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Speaker 1: public health crisis. You can't eat the lettuce. You know,

674
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Speaker 1: your brief is ten times more, and now you can't

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Speaker 1: go outside. I want you to talk about two things here.

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Speaker 1: One is obviously we're in a moment where our public

677
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Speaker 1: health is in a crisis, so how accurate is the monitoring?

678
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Speaker 1: And then more broadly, how safe are any of us

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Speaker 1: right now?

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Speaker 5: Yeah. One of the things that CDC and other federal

681
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Speaker 5: agencies did that I thought was absolutely essential because there's

682
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Speaker 5: no private sector equivalent is in data gathering and data monitoring,

683
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Speaker 5: because we need that. And one of the places where

684
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Speaker 5: the Kennedy administration at HHS really made cuts was in

685
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Speaker 5: a lot of the data gathering programs. And what that

686
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Speaker 5: generally means is that in general with public health, we

687
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Speaker 5: are flying much more blindly than we were now air

688
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Speaker 5: quality monitoring, there are lots of others. EPA does it,

689
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Speaker 5: others do it, So when we're looking at air quality data,

690
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Speaker 5: I feel like it's pretty reliable, and of course it's

691
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Speaker 5: pretty awful in terms of like what we're seeing, and

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Speaker 5: you know, and it's not just an inconvenience. The thing

693
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Speaker 5: I remind people is when we see air quality get bad,

694
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Speaker 5: kids are much more likely to end up in the

695
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Speaker 5: emergency room with asthma, heart attacks, and stroke rates go up.

696
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Speaker 5: So if you're somebody with cardiovasad disease, or at risk

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Speaker 5: of cardiovasster disease. Being outdoors now is meaningfully more dangerous.

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Speaker 5: Most people don't understand that air pollution is a huge

699
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Speaker 5: risk factor for triggering a heart attack or stroke, especially

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Speaker 5: obviously for people who were susceptible. To your broader question

701
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Speaker 5: of kind of how saf far we here's how I

702
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Speaker 5: think about this. COVID was not a one off, and

703
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Speaker 5: in many, many ways, many of us had been worried

704
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Speaker 5: about a COVID like event for years because between globalization,

705
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Speaker 5: all the other things that have happened, climate change, et cetera,

706
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,720
Speaker 5: we knew that the risk of pandemics was rising very quickly,

707
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Speaker 5: and obviously we can at some point we wanted to

708
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Speaker 5: talk about things went right and things went wrong in COVID.

709
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Speaker 5: But what is clear is post COVID there has been

710
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Speaker 5: a huge scaling back of the public health infrastructure in

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Speaker 5: this country, both at the state level and at the

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Speaker 5: federal level.

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Speaker 1: Which, just to add is insane because if anything, we

714
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Speaker 1: should have more, but go yeah, yeah, no, and.

715
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Speaker 5: Look the backlash. I mean, it's very interesting to me

716
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Speaker 5: when I look at all the people sector Kennedy picked

717
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 5: for key positions at HHS when he came in the

718
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Speaker 5: single thing that tied all those people together. They were

719
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:02,240
Speaker 5: all COVID contraries. They weren't MAHA people, they weren't Trump people,

720
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Speaker 5: were some of them weren't. They're all COVID contributes. And

721
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Speaker 5: so his kind of strategy on public health is we're

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Speaker 5: going to do the kind of anti COVID. We're going

723
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Speaker 5: to like really scale back on public health capabilities. You know,

724
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Speaker 5: it turns out like the world infectious diseases, air pollution

725
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Speaker 5: doesn't really care. If you're going to cut back, you're

726
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Speaker 5: gonna have to deal with these things. And one of

727
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Speaker 5: the things that we've learned from one hundred years of

728
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Speaker 5: public health is it's a lot more expensive to manage

729
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Speaker 5: these things after the fact, and of course all the

730
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Speaker 5: suffering that goes with it. So from a pure financial

731
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Speaker 5: point of view, this has been wildly you know, dysfunctional

732
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Speaker 5: and irresponsible. Obviously, from a health point of view, it's terrible.

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Speaker 1: Obviously we're in a lot of trouble here. If you're

734
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Speaker 1: an elected listening to this, or you're one of those

735
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Speaker 1: people who thinks about how to get us out of trouble,

736
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Speaker 1: what do you think the key things are to start

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Speaker 1: to try to rebuild our public health infrastructure. Like if

738
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Speaker 1: you're at the state level, can states pick up some

739
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Speaker 1: of the slack.

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Speaker 5: Let me just make this situation one step darker and

741
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 5: then I'll come up with some solutions. One other thing

742
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 5: has happened, and this is actually what has consumed most

743
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Speaker 5: of my time in the last three years, and it

744
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Speaker 5: started when I was in the Biden White House and

745
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Speaker 5: have continued working on this, which is you have all

746
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Speaker 5: these natural outbreaks, you have all the other stuff we've

747
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Speaker 5: been talking about, and then in the last three years

748
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Speaker 5: you have the convergence of biological engineering and artificial intelligence

749
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Speaker 5: AI and bio and what this means is engineered pathogens

750
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 5: are coming. Like this is not a risk, Oh, we

751
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Speaker 5: might at some point. I believe we are going to

752
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Speaker 5: see the use of an engineer pathogen against a human

753
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Speaker 5: population in the next five years. I think the proliferation

754
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Speaker 5: of technology and capability is so substantial and if you

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Speaker 5: were a functioning government right now, you would be building

756
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Speaker 5: up all of our defenses against that. Yeah, turns out

757
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Speaker 5: that's not what our AJHS is doing now. Therefore, you

758
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Speaker 5: need states to start doing that. It begins with detection.

759
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 5: You need capabilities around detection if engineer pathogens or to

760
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Speaker 5: be used against us deliberately or accidentally. Let's say somebody's

761
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Speaker 5: working on it in a lab and it gets released.

762
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Speaker 5: You need to be able to detect it. That is

763
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Speaker 5: number one, Number two and three are then you need

764
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Speaker 5: strategies for building vaccines. We should not be giving up

765
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Speaker 5: on the m r and A platform, which is insane.

766
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Speaker 5: It can be our number one strategy.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 5: One thing I will say is and may this may

769
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 5: save us Ultimately other countries are not giving up on

770
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Speaker 5: the mRNA platform.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was my question.

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Speaker 5: So we may see other countries step up and build vaccines.

773
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Speaker 5: It just means that Americans will get it later, which

774
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Speaker 5: is not great, but they you know. But it's a

775
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Speaker 5: total application of leadership. I think states can do a

776
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Speaker 5: lot here. States can I don't know that we states

777
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Speaker 5: can do a lot on vaccine development. That is really

778
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Speaker 5: a federal effort. Big states like California, you could invest

779
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Speaker 5: in vaccine capabilities, but states should be building up detection capabilities.

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Speaker 5: All the surveillance pullback the fact that we have this

781
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 5: massive cyclospora outbreak and we didn't know about it for months,

782
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Speaker 5: that's all fixable and it can be done at the

783
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Speaker 5: city and state level.

784
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Speaker 1: So I up picking up the slack with the MR

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Speaker 1: and A vaccines.

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Speaker 5: Well, China has got enormous capability. I mean, one thing

787
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Speaker 5: that has happened in the last two years is I

788
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Speaker 5: believe that the convergence of AI and bio will have

789
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Speaker 5: massive implications for health, the next generation of drugs, biosecurity,

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Speaker 5: national security, and our economy. Three years ago, I would

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Speaker 5: say that we were kind of neck and neck with China.

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Speaker 5: We are no longer neck and neck with China. China

793
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Speaker 5: is not clearly ahead of us.

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Speaker 1: Well, we gave it away to them, didn't we.

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Speaker 5: I mean we Well, it didn't help. But the first

796
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Speaker 5: thing the administration did when it came in was decided

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Speaker 5: to go after our universities. Right. I said to a

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Speaker 5: friend of mine who worked in the Trump administration that

799
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Speaker 5: when you hate America's universities more than you love America's competitiveness,

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Speaker 5: this is the kind of stuff you do. So we

801
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Speaker 5: have I think a real problem. I do think China's

802
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Speaker 5: got a lot of capabilities. But look, some of the

803
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Speaker 5: European countries are making investments in these areas, but they're

804
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Speaker 5: not going to be able to kind of keep up

805
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Speaker 5: with they're small, yeah, and then I keep up with

806
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Speaker 5: what's happening in China. And there's some real problems with

807
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Speaker 5: a policy in Europe that needs to be sorted out

808
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 5: as well. So I worry very much about like where

809
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Speaker 5: the kind of intellectual, kind of center of gravity is

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Speaker 5: going to be in the BIOAI space, and I worry

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Speaker 5: a lot that it's going to be in China and

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Speaker 5: not in the United States. And that's going to have

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Speaker 5: very large implications for our national security, for our health,

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Speaker 5: for our economy. And I don't think the administration has

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Speaker 5: taken me as serious as it needs.

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Speaker 1: To, yeah, because they don't understand anything. When we talk

817
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Speaker 1: about all the NIH grants that have been cut and

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Speaker 1: all the science that we've lost since Trump's come into office,

819
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Speaker 1: Where do you think there's any sort of like bright

820
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Speaker 1: spots or any kind of things that can be reversed, etc.

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Speaker 5: There are a couple of things that have happened as

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Speaker 5: a result. The thing that worries me, I mean, NIH

823
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Speaker 5: cuts can be reversed. Obviously, Congress is actually pushed back.

824
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Speaker 5: The administration has come in with substantial cuts, and the

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Speaker 5: Congress has restored that funding thank goodness, and we need

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Speaker 5: more of that. Of course, the administration still controls where

827
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Speaker 5: it goes and does it go out. And there's a

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Speaker 5: proposal out there now that says that NIH grants should

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Speaker 5: go through a political vetting process the russ Vot School. Yes,

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Speaker 5: that would be very, very disructive obviously for our keeping blues.

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Speaker 5: And by the way, by my Republican friends, that is

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Speaker 5: a two edged sword, like do you think the whether

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Speaker 5: you know, if there's a democratic administration in twenty twenty nine,

834
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Speaker 5: you don't think they're just going to completely reverse it.

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Speaker 5: And then here's the real disruption. These things do not

836
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Speaker 5: take They're not built overnight. It takes years to build

837
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Speaker 5: and days and weeks to destroy. What we're seeing at

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Speaker 5: some of our top institutions is students are graduating. They

839
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Speaker 5: would be applying for PhD programs, but they're no PhD

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Speaker 5: spots and so then they're going to go work in industry,

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Speaker 5: which is fine, but we are losing the next generation

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Speaker 5: of scientists.

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Speaker 1: To the private sector, which means that a lot of

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Speaker 1: those companies, right, won't the scientific advancement be capitalist advancement,

845
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Speaker 1: and the government won't necessarily get the.

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Speaker 5: Look, here's how I think about it, there are types

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Speaker 5: of science that government funds, there's types of science that

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Speaker 5: the private industry funds. The type of science that government

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Speaker 5: funds is long term. It creates the base on which

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00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 5: private industry does its own funding. So private industry will

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00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 5: build more drugs, et cetera. But it's all building on

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Speaker 5: that base of NIH research. I saw all the we've

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Speaker 5: all been seeing these miraculous new drugs that have been

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00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 5: coming out around pancreatic cancer and all this other stuff.

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Speaker 5: And I say to people, we should be thanking our

856
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 5: parents because their investments in AH is paying off today.

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Speaker 5: And then I also say, our kids will never forgive

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Speaker 5: us for what we're doing now, because they are the

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Speaker 5: ones who are going to suffer from all the cuts.

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Speaker 5: We're not going to see any real negative impact in

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Speaker 5: the next couple of years. I mean some we're seeing

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Speaker 5: it within public health, but the real impact on loss

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Speaker 5: of drugs tests will come in ten years when this

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Speaker 5: whole generation of research doesn't happen and the next stuff

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Speaker 5: will all be coming out of China.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, doctor joh. How safe were you going outside

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Speaker 1: today in cities this weekend?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? I think people should look at the air quality certainly.

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Speaker 5: I think if you're at a higher risk of cardiovascar disease,

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Speaker 5: or if you have asthma, COPD, any of these kind

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Speaker 5: of pulmonary things, you should avoid being outdoors for any

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Speaker 5: extended period of time.

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Speaker 1: What's the number where you don't go outdoors?

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Speaker 5: I mean some of the cities have like numbers like

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Speaker 5: five hundred, which is awful. Once it gets into the

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Speaker 5: triple digits, I think you want to limit your outdoor exposure.

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Speaker 1: All right, thank you, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 5: Thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 6: No moment.

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Speaker 1: Jesse Cannon Hi jump fast.

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Speaker 2: So one of the things I think doesn't get covered

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Speaker 2: enough and is going to boil up soon is NSPM seven,

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Speaker 2: which is what Stephen Miller and Marco Rubio have cooked

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Speaker 2: up to try to make dissent illegal on the left,

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Speaker 2: what's listened to Stephen Miller talk about it real fast?

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Speaker 7: President Trump issued a directive in our parlance, it's called

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Speaker 7: a National Security Presidential Memorandum or NSPM NSPM seven to

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Speaker 7: be exact. It directs, for the first time in American history,

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Speaker 7: all of our law enforcement and intelligence agencies to work

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Speaker 7: together to disrupt, identify, defund, debank arrest and prosecute these

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Speaker 7: political terrorists that are operating in our country. President Trump

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Speaker 7: issued a directive.

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Speaker 1: So okay, so this is Trump World wanting to come

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Speaker 1: after left wing terrorists, which is technically just people they

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Speaker 1: don't like. And you know, again, what is intimidation, what

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Speaker 1: is a legal standing? They have no legal standing here.

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Speaker 1: The question is whether or not this works for them,

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Speaker 1: whether or not they can scare people, whether or not

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Speaker 1: they can hurt people, whether or not they can you know,

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Speaker 1: step on your First Amendment rights. The good news is

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Speaker 1: and again like this is so bad, but it's also

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Speaker 1: so set up to make you scared, So just ignore,

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Speaker 1: Like that's what I would say. I mean, you know, yes,

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Speaker 1: it's bad. Yes they're trying every which way they can

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Speaker 1: to silence us, to hurt people, but you know it's

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Speaker 1: not it hasn't worked yet, and like, we just have

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Speaker 1: to push back against this. It's very stupid and we

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Speaker 1: just have to push back against it. That's it for

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