WEBVTT - 021823 Race and Wrongful Convictions in the U.S.(Part 2) 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:05.040 And now watch move my mic back. 0:00:05.120 --> 0:00:06.080 You're like that. 0:00:07.640 --> 0:00:11.840 You can strike waters from headquarters behind him. 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:16.160 And so if you're just tuning into Civic Cipher, I'm 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:17.239 your host, Ramsey's job. 0:00:17.440 --> 0:00:22.360 He is job. I am Q ruler And thank you 0:00:22.360 --> 0:00:23.720 guys for tuning in with us today. 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:24.680 I appreciate it. 0:00:25.600 --> 0:00:26.960 And we still that's more show if we just stick 0:00:27.000 --> 0:00:30.440 around for so dude, just that we are going to 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:35.280 be talking about a report published in twenty two by 0:00:35.400 --> 0:00:38.199 the University of Michigan Law School Go. 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:41.600 Blue, Oh yeah, the motor right. 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:45.600 And this report is about race and wrongful convictions in 0:00:45.640 --> 0:00:49.920 the United States. And you probably already know where we're 0:00:49.920 --> 0:00:51.400 going with this, but. 0:00:51.920 --> 0:00:56.800 Sadly, but search research was not necessary research at all. 0:00:57.040 --> 0:00:59.760 But but some people need data and and we're going 0:00:59.840 --> 0:01:01.400 to do our best to go through at least some 0:01:01.480 --> 0:01:04.600 of it. We're also going to be talking about black codes, 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:07.920 the Black codes for our way Black History fact and 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:10.760 please google both of these, the black codes and the 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:14.560 race and roll full convictions thing. But first and foremost, 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:17.640 let's discuss B A B A how to become a 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:24.520 better ally. 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We're just going to kind 0:03:56.920 --> 0:03:59.840 of do a surface level overview because obviously this could 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:07.800 use a full on academic level examination, which is not 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:11.080 something that we have the ability to provide today given 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:12.320 our time access. 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:14.520 Except it really doesn't need one. 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:17.120 Sure, But you know, you know the reason for this, 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:19.200 and I'm glad you said that the reason for this 0:04:19.400 --> 0:04:24.520 is because so for some reason, these algorithms just got me. 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:29.479 They got me figured out. They're always showing me stuff 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:34.080 that happened to black people, mostly by white people in 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:37.880 this country, and you know the sources and the histories 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:40.200 and all this sort of stuff behind it. But you'd 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:44.360 maybe you wouldn't be surprised to know, but a lot 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:48.599 of the presenters of these information are white folks. Their 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:52.040 allies are people who are like, listen, man, listen, listen up, 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:55.400 other white folks. These black people ain't just making this up. 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:57.760 We did this, check it out, you know. And I 0:04:58.080 --> 0:05:02.280 love that because they use their voice to bring some 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:06.000 attention to stuff that doesn't you know, it doesn't affect 0:05:06.000 --> 0:05:08.440 their lives. They're just helping out, you know what I'm saying. 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:11.160 They in fact, if they didn't do it, they probably 0:05:11.200 --> 0:05:14.000 be better off, just because the world was this country 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:17.800 especially was designed to kind of center them their feelings, 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:20.040 their finances, their futures, etc. 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:29.599 So they'd have to really have to do gymnastics sometimes 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:33.920 to present information to people who are doing those same 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:37.359 gymnastics to deny these things that are obviously true. And 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:39.320 I think that's why they go so far out of 0:05:39.360 --> 0:05:41.640 their way, even though it doesn't, even though it doesn't 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:45.960 have an impact on their daily lives. They're just decent, 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:49.760 empathetic human beings that see this obvious truth. So they 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:54.240 have to use straightforward, black and white data to present 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:56.680 to those who love to deny that all this stuff 0:05:56.720 --> 0:05:58.560 is even happening in the first place, even though it's 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:01.360 happening in four k. 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:02.200 K ultra hd. 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:06.440 Well, this is this is part of the reason why 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:11.200 these this data and these numbers are important. So I 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:14.080 don't imagine that you listening to us do the show 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:18.080 every week. I don't imagine that you are the sort 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:23.960 of person who listens to tell yourself in your own 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:27.040 mind that we're making this stuff up. You know, you're 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:32.320 probably listening because I believe, on some level, you believe 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:34.560 that you can become a better ally, a better supporter. 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:38.960 I make this show because I feel like I'm doing 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:41.200 the most good with the gifts and the skills that 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:43.719 I have, And I can promise you that if the 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:47.599 tables were turned, I would do what it is that 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:52.160 you are doing for your people, whoever those people might be. 0:06:52.880 --> 0:06:55.400 You know, I say it all the time on the show, 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:56.160 I say it in real life. 0:06:56.200 --> 0:06:57.480 I love you. I love. 0:06:57.560 --> 0:06:59.040 I don't even know who you are, I can't even 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:02.120 see you, but I do I believe that whoever our 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:07.120 common creator is, that source of consciousness has sprung us 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:10.840 both into existence, and we're traveling this path more or 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:14.040 less together. And there's no reason for me to have 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:18.360 an adversarial position, opinion, or posture or anything like that 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:21.040 towards you. If I can support you, I can, and 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:23.120 you know, I feel like that's the best way to be. 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:24.800 I don't know how to be any different. So I 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:28.240 appreciate everybody allowing me my truth and to be able 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:30.200 to walk this walk. I appreciate all the programmers who 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:33.040 air this show around the country and help me try 0:07:33.040 --> 0:07:36.400 to make a better, you know, country for all of 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:41.120 us here. And one more little brick in that wall 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:45.040 is providing this data. So again we're going to read 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:48.480 some statistics from this study, Race and Wrongful Convictions in 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:51.160 the US twenty twenty two. The first one that I 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:55.840 found that I thought was interesting is that, Okay, it 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:58.160 goes like this. Black people are thirteen point six percent 0:07:58.200 --> 0:08:02.080 of the American population, but fifty three percent of the 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:06.640 thirty two hundred exonerations listed in the National Registry of exonerations. 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:12.120 Judging from exonerations, innocent black Americans are seven times more 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:16.320 likely than white Americans to be falsely convicted of serious crimes. 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:18.280 We see this racial. 0:08:18.000 --> 0:08:22.440 Disparity in varying degrees for all major crime categories except 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:29.160 white collar crime. Of course, right, I left that last 0:08:29.160 --> 0:08:31.960 part in there because I know you have something to 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:32.520 say about it. 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:36.760 But yeah, the type of crimes that people that already 0:08:36.800 --> 0:08:41.600 have means commit, they're treated with so much grace and empathy. 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:45.120 You know, they slap on the wrist if you will. 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:50.520 And the nature of these people already having good lives 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:53.079 mean they can't be bad people. They just made a mistake. 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:56.120 The nature of you poor people, though, is criminal. 0:08:56.640 --> 0:09:00.840 That's something that I learned from Brian Stevenson. Please look 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:04.400 up Brian Stevenson's very easy name to remember. Brian Stephenson. 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:09.880 He's a person that founded and runs the Equal Justice Initiative. 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:12.440 They made a movie about him called Just Cause. It 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:13.320 stars Michael B. 0:09:13.440 --> 0:09:13.760 Jordan. 0:09:13.880 --> 0:09:17.160 If you needed another reason to watch the movie anyway, 0:09:17.200 --> 0:09:20.600 Brian Stephenson says that we have a criminal justice system 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:24.520 in this country that treats you better if you're rich 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:28.360 and guilty. Then if you're poor and innocent. 0:09:28.440 --> 0:09:29.680 Amen, So. 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:34.480 We will examine that a bit more here. And this 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:38.280 is just statistic number one, So I want to reread 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:40.080 this to you. Black people are thirteen point six percent 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:42.200 of the American population with fifty three percent of the 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:46.160 thirty two hundred exonerations listed in the National Registry of Exonerations. 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:49.719 And then black people are seven times more likely than 0:09:49.800 --> 0:09:52.960 white Americans to be falsely convicted of serious crimes. I 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:55.920 want to ask a question, please, what does that say 0:09:57.000 --> 0:10:00.960 about the notion in this country that you are innocent 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:09.480 until proven guilty. 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:12.800 That by the nature of looking like you ramses that 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:15.960 that isn't true, and that myself when I wrote that 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:20.000 into law, we're not thinking of you even as a person, 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:25.280 not as a man, but more like property, more like cattle. 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:29.960 So these unalienable rights that all men were due, I 0:10:30.040 --> 0:10:33.720 wasn't talking about you. I actually did not consider you 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:36.160 a full person at the time, so I never thought 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:39.280 these laws would apply to you. And since now you 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:42.200 are considered a man, and since I did write these 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:46.200 not having you in mind, I'll create this separate system 0:10:46.480 --> 0:10:48.280 that can show people what I meant to say. 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:50.760 I love that you said that can I take it 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:55.120 a step further. Please, So what's this? You know those people. 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:58.160 When race comes up and they're like, ah, man, you know, man, 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:01.080 I feel like we're just doing better than ever before, 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:03.880 you know, obviously Obama was in office. I just I 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:06.520 feel like everybody's the same, man. You know, everybody's the same. 0:11:06.559 --> 0:11:08.640 We're just we're in this together. Why can't we just 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:11.000 all be just just let it go, man, and just 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:14.840 you know everybody, you know, those people you know you listening, 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:18.440 you know to I know you know those people too, right. Unfortunately, Yes, 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:22.920 And what we're looking at here again, this is the 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:28.080 first statistic. What we're looking at here is the disconnect 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:31.559 that those people have, the separate, detached reality that those 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:34.200 people have. They really have fully bought into the fact 0:11:34.240 --> 0:11:38.040 that this is a fantasy land for everyone. Now, I 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:43.320 will not say that in this country no opportunity exists 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:47.600 for black people, because obviously there are individuals who are successful, 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:53.840 you know. But if we're taking communities and we're looking 0:11:53.840 --> 0:11:58.640 at community outcomes by the numbers, and then indeed we 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:04.840 draw lines to the sources of the ailments of those communities, 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:08.720 you know, we're talking about black codes. A little bit 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:11.400 later in the show, So stick around for that. Black 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:14.720 codes is definitely one of them. And that's a precursor 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:21.280 that affected everything up into political disenfranchisement that still plagues 0:12:21.320 --> 0:12:25.960 this country today. And that's something that affected redlining, which 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:33.560 was the largest injustice in terms of wealth distribution in 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:37.560 this country. And then you know, black neighborhoods, white neighborhoods, 0:12:37.559 --> 0:12:40.280 black schools, white schools, et cetera. And then, of course, 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:43.040 in two thousand and eight, this country because of the 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:47.600 framework that was put in place by that redlining that 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:52.600 was done by the Federal Housing Administration. Legally, federal government said, 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:55.400 don't give loans to these people in these communities and 0:12:55.440 --> 0:12:58.160 give it all to the white foes black people in 0:12:58.200 --> 0:12:59.959 black communities, but give it all to his white foe, 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:03.560 allowing white people to buy homes and then transfer that 0:13:03.640 --> 0:13:06.480 wealth on, you know, and then black people of course 0:13:06.600 --> 0:13:09.079 did not get as much. Of course there were individuals 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:13.680 that did, but as much, you know, in terms of communities. Obviously, 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:18.959 black communities are very poor relative to white communities. And then, 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:22.960 of course in two thousand and eight, when you know 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:27.720 the Wall Street bet on, you know, the subprime mortgages 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:30.240 or whatever, and then that went belly up, and then 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:33.760 I forget the statistic, but suffice it to say that 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:37.440 more black people lost more wealth than white people did 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:40.600 in two thousand and eight. And so there's this constant 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:42.480 game of catchup. And it's not all about money. We 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:45.200 haven't talked about policing. We haven't talked about environmental racism. 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:48.120 We haven't talked about the lot okay, we haven't talked 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:52.520 about the unfair distribution of the GI bill, which I 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:55.520 guess technically falls underneath money. We haven't talked about land theft. 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:58.280 We haven't talked about any of those things yet. But 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:01.719 those people that say, man, you know, it's all equal. Man, 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:05.440 we're all the same, you know, they're ignoring the head start. 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:10.199 They're they're they're allowed to see the world as being uh, 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:13.920 this sort of fantasy land, and they think that somehow 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:15.800 black people are just like kind of woe as me. 0:14:16.480 --> 0:14:19.080 I was born black and therefore I can't do anything. 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:20.760 And there's like, well, there's a little bit more to 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:21.280 the story than that. 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:24.160 There's an economy to it, though, right, because well, part 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:27.800 of that is a self denial. When you're a person 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:30.840 that benefits from that system, there's a guilt that sets 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:31.640 in if. 0:14:31.520 --> 0:14:33.240 You accept lose. That's a good point. 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:35.240 So you don't want to accept it as true because 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:37.160 then you think, well, that makes me a bad person 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:40.760 from having benefited from this very corrupt system. So let's 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:43.240 just act like it's not really that corrupt, man, Like, 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:46.000 come on, man, it's the greatest show man on you 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:48.120 on the radio, and I saw you on billboards. Man, 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:50.840 It's it's not that tough for you, bro, you know 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:55.240 what I mean. It's the scene of oneself and things 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:58.760 that are corrupt that causes them to deny that they're corrupt. 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:03.240 That's why so many people and this is just my hypothesis. 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:06.080 I this hasn't been proven true by any data or research, 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:07.760 but I think that's why so many people that I 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:12.000 know reach out to me to defend some despicable people 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:15.360 that I speak out against on my social media because 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:18.320 they have some things in common with that person. They're 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:20.080 not reaching out to me to defend that person. They 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:23.520 don't know them. They're reaching out to me to defend themselves. 0:15:24.640 --> 0:15:26.480 That's a great point, man, I kind of think and 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:29.240 behave like that, and I'm not that bad. Let me, 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:32.400 let me reach out and defend and I use him 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:36.440 as a proxy gameable qualities of this despicable person because 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:38.280 the use the elected official as a proxy. 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:39.640 Correct, Right? 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:43.120 So, I think you know it's people seeing some of 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:47.880 themselves in this system. That guilt that sets in makes 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:50.000 them want to believe. Man, maybe it's maybe it's not 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:50.560 that bad. 0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:54.600 Well, thank you for listening today, Because it is that bad. 0:15:55.840 --> 0:15:58.480 It can be better and it is improving and it 0:15:58.520 --> 0:16:01.800 will be better. But we deal with the real on 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:04.760 this show as we see it based on our lived experience. 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:08.840 Let's move on. Okay, there's another statistic for you. For 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:12.840 both murder and sexual assault, there are preliminary investigative issues 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:16.800 that increase the number of innocent black suspects for murder, 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:20.840 the homicide rate in the black community for rape, the 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:25.520 difficulty of cross racial eyewitness identification. For both crimes, misconduct, 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:34.280 discrimination and racism amplify these initial racial discrepancies. For drug crimes, 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:39.280 here we go. The preliminary sorting that increases the number 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:43.520 of convictions of innocent black suspects is racial profiling. I 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:46.760 think that's a mouthful right there. I want to read 0:16:46.800 --> 0:16:47.160 it again. 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:48.200 Please. 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:52.160 For drug crimes, the preliminary sorting that increases the number 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:57.400 of convictions of innocent black suspects is racial profiling. In addition, 0:16:57.760 --> 0:17:03.200 the Registry lists seventeen group exonerations, including twenty nine hundred 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:07.240 and seventy five additional wrongfully convicted defendants, many of whom 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:11.879 were deliberately framed and convicted of fabricated drug crimes in 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:17.360 large scale police scandals. The overwhelming majority are black. Now, 0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:20.560 these are stories that we cover on this show and 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:23.720 don't think is just in what I know. We did 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:25.840 one in Mississippi. I know we did one in Louisiana 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:29.119 where the police were framing black people that like it 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:31.560 was flagrant they were doing out in the open. 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:33.520 It's kind of flagrant everywhere. 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:35.960 But it's also it's also California. It's everywhere. 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:40.480 Yeah, liberal places, you know, conservative places too, and of 0:17:40.520 --> 0:17:41.919 course you're going to find that in the South, but 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:43.440 you know, it's kind of to be expected. 0:17:43.480 --> 0:17:45.200 Unfortunately, I got. 0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:47.960 Pulled over and searched for looking at an officer on 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:52.480 King Day in Detroit, Michigan. We don't have to go 0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:54.960 to the Deep South. We don't have to go to 0:17:55.040 --> 0:18:03.600 the peak of Maga on Liver NOI and six miles 0:18:04.359 --> 0:18:08.240 in Detroit, Michigan. I was driving down the street. There 0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:11.320 was an officer. I looked at him. He saw me 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:13.800 look at him. He got in his car. You turned, 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:16.680 pulled me over, put my face on the hood of 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:18.280 his car, and frixed me. 0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:20.320 For nothing. 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:22.439 Didn't accuse me of anything, didn't tell me I was 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:26.880 speeding nothing. Get out of the car, slam my hood 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:28.280 on a hip, slid my face on the hood of 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:32.639 his car, and searched me. Finished searching me, then searched 0:18:32.680 --> 0:18:36.800 my car, took my seats out, left them out, took 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:39.600 all my things out, left them on the street, got 0:18:39.640 --> 0:18:42.040 back in his car and drove away. Told me to 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:45.320 have a nice day, King Day two thousand and one. 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:51.919 Dang, Yeah, well, you know what, that's a story that 0:18:54.119 --> 0:18:57.000 I know that I and a lot of other people 0:18:57.040 --> 0:18:59.840 who look like me are familiar with. I remember, I 0:18:59.840 --> 0:19:03.320 got pulled out of my car for no reason. They 0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:06.080 were looking for someone else in a bright yellow Dodge Neon, 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:08.480 I guess because they made a ton of those. 0:19:08.680 --> 0:19:09.119 They didn't. 0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:12.080 I had the car custom painted, but back when I 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:13.719 was in college in the fast and furious days, that's 0:19:13.720 --> 0:19:15.359 why I had a doctor and it was yellow. 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:17.840 Anyway, I got to pull it out of my car. 0:19:17.920 --> 0:19:19.680 That's why you had a Dodge Neon. That's not why 0:19:19.680 --> 0:19:22.520 it was yellow. We can talk about that all the fast, 0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:24.359 fast and furious days every painting cars. 0:19:24.760 --> 0:19:26.960 Yeah, it's not fast and furious now because you don't 0:19:26.960 --> 0:19:28.000 have a yellow you don't have. 0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:30.840 A bright yellow, fast and furious car. 0:19:31.920 --> 0:19:34.520 Anyway, real quick, I do want to give a shout 0:19:34.520 --> 0:19:38.359 out to w NUC ninety six point seven FM in Detroit, 0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:40.879 Michigan for carrying civic cipher and airing us twice a 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:45.560 week motown. Indeed, all right, let's move on another statistic here. 0:19:45.800 --> 0:19:48.880 Innocent black people are about seven and a half times 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:52.960 more likely to be convicted of murder than innocent white people. 0:19:53.880 --> 0:19:56.840 That applies equally to those who are sentenced to death 0:19:57.040 --> 0:19:58.320 and those who are not. 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:03.240 How about that you're going to die. 0:20:05.359 --> 0:20:07.840 And you're seven and a half times more likely to 0:20:07.880 --> 0:20:09.480 be convicted of murder. 0:20:11.680 --> 0:20:12.120 Innocent. 0:20:12.400 --> 0:20:14.360 If you're innocent, you're seven and a half times more 0:20:14.440 --> 0:20:16.879 likely to be convicted of murder than white people. 0:20:18.280 --> 0:20:20.200 So if you're. 0:20:21.840 --> 0:20:25.920 Two times more, I mean for their one is your two, right, yep, 0:20:26.000 --> 0:20:28.640 So that would be one hundred percent more if you're 0:20:28.840 --> 0:20:35.600 seven times more, Yes, it's about almost four hundred percent 0:20:35.640 --> 0:20:37.880 more likely. I want to say it in a statistic 0:20:37.920 --> 0:20:41.760 that will make people's jaws drop. You're about four hundred percent. Yeah, 0:20:41.800 --> 0:20:45.399 it's a lot more likely. Seven sounds like a small number. 0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:49.080 It's not seven times all right. This is the other 0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:51.320 half of that. In addition, black people who are convicted 0:20:51.359 --> 0:20:54.480 of murder are about eighty percent more likely to be 0:20:54.640 --> 0:20:57.320 innocent than other convicted murderers. 0:20:57.320 --> 0:21:02.359 Now here's the thing. Another point that Brian Stevenson makes 0:21:02.440 --> 0:21:09.320 is that you know, in this country, uh, historically, this 0:21:09.440 --> 0:21:14.320 country has been unkind to black people. That is a given. Nobody, 0:21:14.359 --> 0:21:18.200 even people that don't love CRT or indeed American history, 0:21:18.320 --> 0:21:22.000 have to see that, right, They don't know this country 0:21:22.040 --> 0:21:22.639 has been that. 0:21:23.359 --> 0:21:27.280 No, no, no, no, it's but the idea that those people have 0:21:27.320 --> 0:21:30.199 to be delusional people exist. 0:21:30.600 --> 0:21:33.479 We're talking about people who are sensible and subscribe to 0:21:33.520 --> 0:21:36.520 at least the common narrative of the country, whether or 0:21:36.560 --> 0:21:37.880 not it's taught in school. 0:21:37.640 --> 0:21:41.560 That we used to have Remember that, adults, you know, 0:21:42.320 --> 0:21:45.479 but remember that when there were reasonable adults who agreed 0:21:45.520 --> 0:21:48.000 about the common history of our country. Fair enough, we 0:21:48.080 --> 0:21:50.240 no longer live in those times. That's what it remind 0:21:50.280 --> 0:21:54.560 you of that. We so so here we are this 0:21:54.680 --> 0:21:56.959 on our show. We are no longer in those times. 0:21:57.200 --> 0:22:01.120 We don't agree about what's true anymore. You're not wrong, 0:22:01.200 --> 0:22:01.760 you're not wrong. 0:22:01.880 --> 0:22:06.280 So how about this for those of us who still 0:22:06.320 --> 0:22:09.800 do recognize that there is a history in this country 0:22:09.800 --> 0:22:11.720 that was built on the back of the African slave 0:22:12.800 --> 0:22:19.040 that was not considered human, as you so eloquently stated. 0:22:20.000 --> 0:22:24.600 Fast forward, Now we have a system that is disproportionately 0:22:24.800 --> 0:22:30.560 executing innocent black men. And Brian Stevenson made a comparison, 0:22:30.640 --> 0:22:32.480 what if we lived in the nation state in the 0:22:32.520 --> 0:22:36.240 world where the nation state of Germany was disproportionately executing 0:22:36.760 --> 0:22:42.120 human beings who were Jewish? What would you do? Would 0:22:42.160 --> 0:22:44.560 that be unconscionable to you? And yet there is a 0:22:44.600 --> 0:22:48.120 stunning silence when we quote the statistic to you. Does 0:22:48.160 --> 0:22:51.520 it bother you that innocent black men are being executed 0:22:51.560 --> 0:22:53.920