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Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from
Speaker 1: this week, all edited together into one NonStop infotainment laugh stravaganza.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, So, without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist. Well,
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Speaker 1: joined by the Coldbrew Cracking as producer justin Yeah. You know,
Speaker 1: as we were letting him into the chat, he was like, unleash,
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Speaker 1: me like the advice King. The poetry window was open
Speaker 1: because it's Chris motherfucking Craft. Hey, what's up? Thank you
Speaker 1: so much, Jack, Thank you for that. That's like, you
Speaker 1: know when you see a stand up and they play
Speaker 1: like Enter Sandman or something, and they're coming on stage
Speaker 1: and then it goes away. Everybody's like, oh yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a comedy show. It is that. There is that moment
Speaker 1: I know exactly what you're talking about, where like the
Speaker 1: song comes on you feel you're in a baseball game
Speaker 1: because they're like, oh here it comes to oh yeah,
Speaker 1: and then you got like the music fades down. You're like,
Speaker 1: all right, y'all, how are you guys doing to night?
Speaker 1: How are you guys doing tonight? All right, you guys
Speaker 1: on some dates tonight. And you're like, just like, what
Speaker 1: do you do? Sir? Yeah? God, well you do? What
Speaker 1: about you here? What's up with a grateful dead in town?
Speaker 1: Come on? Come on? Hey, am all right? Come on?
Speaker 1: Like he was going hard with that ACDC. That's how
Speaker 1: it felt. That's how it felt. That was such action.
Speaker 1: That was incredible, fucking rap by by Miles there. That
Speaker 1: that was. I felt like I was at a show.
Speaker 1: Yeah all I can all I can talk about now
Speaker 1: his feces and breast mill. So I wanted that show
Speaker 1: to go on. I wanted to hear the rest of
Speaker 1: that song. Oh man, that was I was actually opening
Speaker 1: for another comedian. That's what that song was gonna go.
Speaker 1: Chris crofton, come to the stage, Bob Bob. Yeah, hey guys,
Speaker 1: he's sick of Republicans or what you're dancing to? Luda
Speaker 1: Chris's role out publican. I feel like they don't got
Speaker 1: a brain in their head. You guys heard about Mitch McConnell. Yeah,
Speaker 1: God damn it, that song was better. But back on
Speaker 1: a lizard, he like gets the thing wrong. Instead of turtle,
Speaker 1: he goes, he doesn't even have the He's like an iguana. Huh.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I wish we were listening to informers. Still, yeah,
Speaker 1: ladies telling Chris Croft, oh man, this is gonna rule.
Speaker 1: So I grew up in Connecticut, doesn't Connecticut? You heard
Speaker 1: of the Vanderbilt Press. Okay, First, first of all, you
Speaker 1: can get my book on a website. Hold on, I
Speaker 1: have written down book after the same plug it after this,
Speaker 1: say w w W hold on some plugs. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: open with some plugs really quick. What else do I have?
Speaker 1: What else do I have? What else? What else? First word? Yeah?
Speaker 1: First words? Or what else? First word? What else? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a that's a strong He went with the first word,
Speaker 1: what else? He went, what else? Open? Flashbacks in twenty
Speaker 1: fourteen Los Angeles, me showing up age forty fucking god
Speaker 1: damn and uh age forty goddamn and uh you know,
Speaker 1: just entering, you know, Nashville legend showing up to Yeah,
Speaker 1: start all over it open mics in Los Angeles at
Speaker 1: age forty five, and I'm like, no, one's what is
Speaker 1: everybody treating me like such a weirdo? For? Why are
Speaker 1: these twenty two year olds fucking being such dicks like
Speaker 1: they're God, I can't believe why are these twenty two
Speaker 1: year old old? I must have looked to them now
Speaker 1: old of forty five year old is when you're twenty two.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's like being dead or a hundred. Although
Speaker 1: I remember when I was twenty two, everyone over the
Speaker 1: age of thirty seemed like the same amount of old.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Like it was like thirty to sixty was
Speaker 1: just old. And I remember, like, I remember doing drugs
Speaker 1: with someone that was in their forties and I couldn't
Speaker 1: believe that they did. Like I was like, yo, you
Speaker 1: your party. I'm like, you're forty though. They're like, yeah, dude,
Speaker 1: I'm my life's been fucked up for longer than you've
Speaker 1: been alive. And I was like, oh, okay, cool, cool, No,
Speaker 1: got real dark on it, real grizzled. I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, you're still doing drugs with twenty year olds
Speaker 1: and your in your forties. It's it's coming from a
Speaker 1: dark place present. Yeah. Yeah, life's been fucked up since
Speaker 1: before you were shipping in diapers kids. Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: doing that in two thousand. I was doing that in
Speaker 1: twenty eleven. Then I got my ship together and went
Speaker 1: straight to open mics. There it is. I gotta ask you, Doug,
Speaker 1: what is something from your search history that's you know,
Speaker 1: revealing about reveal something about what you're into right now.
Speaker 1: And if you looked at my search history, it would
Speaker 1: basically be things like pain top of foot him, muscle pain.
Speaker 1: I'm a big runner. I run a couple of marathons,
Speaker 1: but I'm also old, like, Okay, I'm gonna be fifteen
Speaker 1: next year, and so any run that I come back
Speaker 1: from usually results in a search of like what was that? Basically, yeah,
Speaker 1: are you on? Are you one of those runners? Or
Speaker 1: like the first mile and a half you got to
Speaker 1: just blow all the pain out of your legs and
Speaker 1: then you settle in or you kind of like every
Speaker 1: time I run, the first mile is apps it's like
Speaker 1: my body, like I feel like that scene in Forrest
Speaker 1: Gump when his leg braces are breaking off. That's how
Speaker 1: I always say. The first two or three miles of
Speaker 1: any race that I do. Any run that I do
Speaker 1: is just like the warm up, which is a real
Speaker 1: problem if you're doing like a five K because that's
Speaker 1: basically three miles, right, But yeah, that's pretty much me. Okay,
Speaker 1: got it? And then wait, what's it? What's the top
Speaker 1: of the foot paint? Oh man, like you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know your stuff, metatarsal, you know, all that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff, and then bottom of the foot planter, fasciatus,
Speaker 1: all that stuff. You should see my appointment heal striking.
Speaker 1: What's your form? Like you heal striking? Can we get
Speaker 1: heal strike a little bit too much? Yeah, a little
Speaker 1: bit too much. Yeah. My apartment's like a physical therapist office.
Speaker 1: I've got like the phone pads, the thera bands, and
Speaker 1: like the wobble boards and all of that stuff. So
Speaker 1: I'm constantly trying to like figure you know, one thing breaks,
Speaker 1: you fix it, and then the next thing breaks. Like
Speaker 1: I'm like an old car basically. Yeah, yeah, I got
Speaker 1: some hip flix or paint I'm trying to get basically. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're sitting too much too, that's the big problem. Yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly exactly. Andrew you have I know you're a physical specimen,
Speaker 1: so you probably oh no, I actually can't run. I've
Speaker 1: had two knee surgeries. Really yeah, I've series, but between
Speaker 1: the one and two, and I'm sure that led to
Speaker 1: number two. I like wouldn't stop kickboxing, so like wasn't
Speaker 1: great problem, Like, man, your patella can't handle any more
Speaker 1: of these kicks. It really was not. Not idea and
Speaker 1: wrestling too, are just like why why do we doing?
Speaker 1: I should be so I'm bad. I'm just like a
Speaker 1: At least earlier in my life, I was like, I'll
Speaker 1: just get new knees, Just run down to the store
Speaker 1: up a spare set of gloves and yeah, by the way,
Speaker 1: not wise advice for anyone listening to this who still
Speaker 1: has good knees. I know, man, I I fucked my
Speaker 1: knee up terribly at a when I when I worked
Speaker 1: at Playboy, there was a staff party at the mansion
Speaker 1: that they would have every year, and there's like a
Speaker 1: hill at the Playboy Man's this is look. I know,
Speaker 1: it's a terrible fucking place to work. Trust me. I
Speaker 1: worked there with Jamie Loftus. We were there at the
Speaker 1: same time. It was kind of a crazy situation. But
Speaker 1: they set up this slipping slide that's on a very
Speaker 1: steep hill and I went down this thing full speed,
Speaker 1: and when I hit the fucking like backstop of it
Speaker 1: almost like full hyper extended my shit because like it
Speaker 1: was so the speed I hit it was so intense,
Speaker 1: and I for a second, like I went to a
Speaker 1: doctor and they're like, you know, you you may need
Speaker 1: surgery because I was playing a lot of soccer at
Speaker 1: the times, Like if you want to do that like
Speaker 1: and kind of recover, and I was like, well, what
Speaker 1: happens if I don't. He's like, you could try and
Speaker 1: let it heal. It's like not so bad that you
Speaker 1: couldn't just like stay off it and see what happens.
Speaker 1: And I opted for staying off it, and I've stayed
Speaker 1: off it for many years now at that point where
Speaker 1: I'm like to get this shit going again. Yeah, let's
Speaker 1: move on to our next question. What is something you
Speaker 1: think is overrated? College degrees? Okay, go on. So I
Speaker 1: didn't graduate from high school. I didn't go to college,
Speaker 1: and I'm not I'm not bragging about that, but you know,
Speaker 1: I had well and I wrote about this in my book.
Speaker 1: I lied about it all the time in order to
Speaker 1: get jobs. I said I was George Santos basically like
Speaker 1: it you make. I padded my resume because I wouldn't
Speaker 1: have gotten the job without it. But I was without
Speaker 1: that on paper qualification. I was still qualified to do
Speaker 1: the job. I had the experience, I understood how to
Speaker 1: do it. I'm a quick learner, Like I educated myself
Speaker 1: about the position before I got it and then went
Speaker 1: all in and I did really well. So I don't
Speaker 1: think I needed that piece of paper in order to
Speaker 1: do the job. But there's there's this consensus that we
Speaker 1: do need that, And a lot of people in my family,
Speaker 1: they're successful, don't have college degrees. And I'm not discouraging
Speaker 1: anyone from getting it, but I do think they're overrated. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: I think there's just like this disconnect to where there's
Speaker 1: this emphasis about having it yet it's so hard to
Speaker 1: attain or in a way that doesn't potentially fuck you
Speaker 1: up for decades to come. Yeah, yeah, I get that.
Speaker 1: It's like that so many people now. Like I was
Speaker 1: just talking to somebody, I was watching like the Final
Speaker 1: four tournament, and I was like, I was like I
Speaker 1: almost went to like my like almost into University of
Speaker 1: Miami because like I got in in my mind, I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I'm a fucking party in Miami for college.
Speaker 1: Then I saw what it costs, and I'm to keep
Speaker 1: my ass in the fucking state because I do. I
Speaker 1: absolutely couldn't, especially when I saw my other friends taking
Speaker 1: on loans and like what the payback sort of structure
Speaker 1: looked like. I was frightened to the point where I
Speaker 1: was almost like, I know, I want to get into
Speaker 1: comedy and shit, but yeah, like my grandparents and my parents'
Speaker 1: voice rang in my head. They're like, look, if you
Speaker 1: could go for it, and if you fuck up, at
Speaker 1: least you could teach history because you have that degree.
Speaker 1: And I'm like that and I would do that if
Speaker 1: things shook out a different way. So I kind of
Speaker 1: I see that. Yeah, it's so because it's like nominally
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be like proof that you did something
Speaker 1: or you accomplish something or at a level, but like,
Speaker 1: because of the way the world works, there's so much
Speaker 1: variance and what that fucking piece of paper means. Like
Speaker 1: I feel like like I did, unfortunately go to like
Speaker 1: a nice college, and like, truly, the only thing I
Speaker 1: learned from that college I find was valuable was that
Speaker 1: um rich kids are not only not better than you,
Speaker 1: they are actively worse than you. They are the dumbest
Speaker 1: people on earth. And we all have the same piece
Speaker 1: of paper at the end of the day. Right, It's hilarious.
Speaker 1: I just like to like I always think about when
Speaker 1: you know, you have a resume or whatever and they
Speaker 1: ask for like your education, You're like, how many times
Speaker 1: has anyone ever actually bothered to check up on that
Speaker 1: unless like you came in and they like you were
Speaker 1: so flagrant with it. They're like, there's no way this
Speaker 1: person has like a master's from whatever. But right to
Speaker 1: your point, I'm like, yeah, just fake it till you
Speaker 1: make it. You know where my diploma is? Oh I
Speaker 1: didn't even say one. Yeah, I didn't go. I didn't
Speaker 1: even walk. Yeah. Now I was so old, man. I look,
Speaker 1: I was so over academia because a part of me
Speaker 1: was like, well, like I was already becoming like this
Speaker 1: cynical person about like what a degree meant. And I'm
Speaker 1: like but and then I had like survivors get I'm like,
Speaker 1: how come I can get a degree? Diesel? The kids
Speaker 1: you're gonna degree and they got to do this And
Speaker 1: then they go up in the draw like and then
Speaker 1: we're all going up in the same job interview where
Speaker 1: you like, you need seventeen years of experience for this
Speaker 1: job and you're like, I'm seventeen though, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's just like y. So anyway, all that to
Speaker 1: say is when my it was it's UCLA, So it
Speaker 1: was hot in LA in the summer like beginning, and
Speaker 1: it was all going to be outdoors, and I asked
Speaker 1: my parents, so I was like, you want to wait
Speaker 1: out there, like to be called amongst hundreds of names,
Speaker 1: and they're like, if you don't care, we don't care.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I don't care, man, if you want it,
Speaker 1: we can diploma, but that's more money and I would
Speaker 1: rather just stop giving this UC system money. So yeah,
Speaker 1: that way I could walk head first in two thousand
Speaker 1: and seven into a recession with my degree and hey,
Speaker 1: I got this degree to enter the middle. But what
Speaker 1: the fuck is happening? Which is, yeah, it's very I
Speaker 1: talk about this a lot with other millennials about how like,
Speaker 1: especially like there's so many people who get so down,
Speaker 1: like because everything is so difficent well to attain right
Speaker 1: now for younger people, and were fed this thing of like,
Speaker 1: well you should be doing this by now without understanding
Speaker 1: like how uniquely of a shitty situation we came of
Speaker 1: aging where it was almost like oh yeah, like I
Speaker 1: was standing on the rug as it was getting yanked out.
Speaker 1: What something you think is underrated? Things being overrated? Go on?
Speaker 1: What kind of thing I've never come on here and
Speaker 1: not done one? That was just like food that I
Speaker 1: just thought of for I was like, because I started
Speaker 1: to think, I was like, I'll do that, but I
Speaker 1: was like, no, I already did that. I think I
Speaker 1: already said like fried onion strings are underrated or whatever. Wait, oh,
Speaker 1: I was like a side dish. Yeah, I wasn't like
Speaker 1: I was gonna be like fries are overrated, onion rings
Speaker 1: are underrated. But then I was like, I think I
Speaker 1: already said that on here, and also fries are not overrated.
Speaker 1: That's like a lie. I would just be saying it.
Speaker 1: You're just saying right right, You're just saying we got
Speaker 1: to give some more attention to the onion ring. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like like onion rings are underrated, but fries are rated correctly,
Speaker 1: onion rings are onion strings well both, Like I had
Speaker 1: some really fucking good fried onions the other day at
Speaker 1: this place, the Otto and Echo Park that's like a
Speaker 1: Japanese place, Yeah, the Japanese place, and got sense I
Speaker 1: got fried onions there and they were like spring onions.
Speaker 1: They were temporous spring onions and just like a plate
Speaker 1: up plate of like onion spears, basically just like flash
Speaker 1: fried and they are so fucking good. And it was
Speaker 1: also what I wanted it to be, which was like,
Speaker 1: uh slightly high end blooming onion. Yeah yeah, which just
Speaker 1: tasted like a bloom and onion but like a little
Speaker 1: like delicate, so good. It's funny because is also like
Speaker 1: a Japanese cracker that I loved as a kid that
Speaker 1: was like whale and like a nautical shaped But I
Speaker 1: like that there's but it's also like something say like
Speaker 1: if you're like, oh, like whoops, like or something's about
Speaker 1: like it's kind of how you deploy that that phrase.
Speaker 1: Uh dope. But anyway, man, I love onion strings. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna just say that if a good onion string. Sometimes
Speaker 1: their rings like when they're just like the frozen times,
Speaker 1: like sometimes the ratio of the batter batter a little bit,
Speaker 1: it's too much. It hurts my stumm, it like too
Speaker 1: much bad. Okay, well, good to know. I will will
Speaker 1: make sure that's that's how we need temper up. It
Speaker 1: was light, it was crispy, it was perfect. You gotta
Speaker 1: you gotta fuck with it. Yeah, I mean, look, we
Speaker 1: can we can eat anything if it's deep fried. I
Speaker 1: believe in ourselves. All right, let's take a quick break
Speaker 1: and we're gonna be right back to talk about the
Speaker 1: news after this. And we're back, and just wanted to
Speaker 1: continue on something that Andrew brought up yesterday when we
Speaker 1: were talking about Representative Tim Burkett or Burchett from Tennessee,
Speaker 1: who was asked to a very direct question about, you know,
Speaker 1: school shootings and what Congress is rolling it, which he said,
Speaker 1: I don't really think we have a role at all.
Speaker 1: And then more importantly, when you know, this journalist is like, well,
Speaker 1: you're clearly acknowledging the danger. How do you think we
Speaker 1: protect people like your daughter you just mentioned? And this
Speaker 1: was his answer, plus should be done to protect people
Speaker 1: like your little girlfriend being safe at school? Well, we
Speaker 1: home schooler, and that's our decision. Some people don't have
Speaker 1: that option, and frankly, some people don't need to do it,
Speaker 1: and they don't have to it just suited our mads
Speaker 1: much better. So this has brought on a lot of
Speaker 1: conversation around homeschooling because this is like this it's becoming
Speaker 1: a very it's like, this is like the new response
Speaker 1: from the GOP rather than gun control. It was either
Speaker 1: like it's a mental health crisis, but we're not going
Speaker 1: to fund it, or it's yeah, maybe that's why you
Speaker 1: shouldn't be in fucking schools. And a lot of people,
Speaker 1: like I said, we're like to your point, Andrew, You're like,
Speaker 1: this is this is this is all like that was
Speaker 1: the perfect answer for the GOP because A, you're being like,
Speaker 1: I'm offering a terrible solution that's actually privatization. Yea. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people were just sort of like,
Speaker 1: this is just an absolute absurdity because when you're talking
Speaker 1: about school shooting and the and the answer is to
Speaker 1: protect them with homeschooling, that's again, like he said, not
Speaker 1: a possibility for everyone, and also not a fucking solution
Speaker 1: to the problem. It's bad for something. It is like
Speaker 1: a little look, I know that when they're like, don't
Speaker 1: politicize with school shooting, it's like just a talking point
Speaker 1: and it's bullshit. But it is a little like amazing
Speaker 1: how effortlessly he pivoted from this tragedy to just a
Speaker 1: different talking point. Yeah, that's like politicizing it in a
Speaker 1: admittedly unique but perfect for these scumbags way. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I guess he stayed on message. Yeah, Like, okay,
Speaker 1: So after You've all Day last year, moll tople conservative
Speaker 1: and right wing, like far right publications, we're putting out
Speaker 1: a beds that were like, man like, they're extolling the
Speaker 1: virtues of homeschooling. They're like, this is the real practical
Speaker 1: fix for school shootings. One headline was homeschooling surges as
Speaker 1: parents seek escape from shootings violence. Another one said tragedies
Speaker 1: like the Texas shooting make a somber case for homeschooling,
Speaker 1: and in that it says, you know, it sort of
Speaker 1: starts off seeing tragedies like the shooting in Texas are
Speaker 1: heartbreaking but far too common. But to protect the most
Speaker 1: precious innocent lives among us, parents must educate their kids
Speaker 1: at home. Now, a lot of parents in you All
Speaker 1: Day did opt to homeschool their kids, which I understand
Speaker 1: because that was a total collapse and failure of any
Speaker 1: system of safety that you know you could have hoped for.
Speaker 1: But this is just such a bad faith argument. And
Speaker 1: it's really not even talking about like the benefits of
Speaker 1: homeschooling so much as to your point, it's about weakening
Speaker 1: public education. Well, they just want to basically give all
Speaker 1: the money that they're spending on public edge ucation to
Speaker 1: these homeschoolers. Right, Like, you know, if you want to
Speaker 1: homeschool your kid, fine, like that's your choice, you can
Speaker 1: do it, but you shouldn't necessarily get public money, taxpayer
Speaker 1: dollars to go do that, because it takes taxpayer dollars
Speaker 1: out of the school system and makes our schools worse.
Speaker 1: And this is just they're, like you said, they're politicizing
Speaker 1: this thing to just advance the school choice goals that
Speaker 1: they have to weaken and ultimately destroy public schools. I
Speaker 1: went to public schools as a kid, and I got
Speaker 1: a great education. My kids go to public schools. We
Speaker 1: should be funding them a thousand times more than we
Speaker 1: are now. But that's not that that doesn't jive with
Speaker 1: the Republican agenda. So here you go. Well, and they
Speaker 1: love anything that would repeatedly make a public school seem
Speaker 1: like an unsafe place and conversing or the other side
Speaker 1: of it too. It's like, well, if you're like, well,
Speaker 1: this this private school has you know, former Massad agents
Speaker 1: guarding the exterior of it, so I feel like my
Speaker 1: child will be safe there. But again you're looking at
Speaker 1: all these disparities and the other system the other part
Speaker 1: of it too, Like you know, in reading this one
Speaker 1: piece in Jezebel, which like there was a really main
Speaker 1: huge point too, is a lot of women most likely
Speaker 1: will probably end up staying home to educate the kids.
Speaker 1: So we are fully like we're regressing, and it's like
Speaker 1: a very efficient way to regress that, like it incentivizes
Speaker 1: privatization and reinforcing these like old like gender roles, and
Speaker 1: it gives half or whatever of the population a shitty
Speaker 1: like education that is like clearly politically biased. I will
Speaker 1: throw out one possibility, which is that, like in a
Speaker 1: law of intended unintended consequences style, I do think if
Speaker 1: every one of these right wing goons took their kids
Speaker 1: and privates or at homeschool at them, it actually probably
Speaker 1: would reduce school shootings. Because I'm just gonna throw this
Speaker 1: out there. Those are the kids that highly over index
Speaker 1: for being school shooters. Yeah, it's it's definitely like when
Speaker 1: you look at the problem, right, like just like with
Speaker 1: our gun problems, right, we have so many guns, but
Speaker 1: a lot of un violence happens inside of people's home.
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I was gonna say, like the most
Speaker 1: safe place that most kids can be for most of
Speaker 1: the day is at school, despite these high profile and
Speaker 1: very scary school as things like there's not just guns
Speaker 1: at home, but there's abusive parents at home. There's all
Speaker 1: kinds of stuff that like there you know a lot
Speaker 1: of kids here in New York City, we have a
Speaker 1: lot of homeless kids who go to public schools and
Speaker 1: they only get like breakfast and lunch because they go
Speaker 1: to school. Like it's safer for a lot of kids
Speaker 1: to be in a public school than it is at home.
Speaker 1: What's wild is even like the Coalition for Responsible Home Education, Right,
Speaker 1: they're like this nonpartisan group that's like they advocate for
Speaker 1: homeschooling and stuff like that. They pointed out they're like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's a solution to fucking school.
Speaker 1: They were like, that's not really this. I mean, we
Speaker 1: like we advocate for but that that's not the solution,
Speaker 1: and they pointed out They pointed out at quote, at
Speaker 1: least one hundred and fifty six homeschool children have been
Speaker 1: murdered in homeschooling environments over the past two decades, which
Speaker 1: is a rate higher than that of their public school peers.
Speaker 1: So again, no one saying that it's like bad, but
Speaker 1: it's so deregulated that it leaves kids, especially like as
Speaker 1: they point out, uniquely vulnerable to abuse and neglect. And
Speaker 1: then also like again, it avoids the actual issue that
Speaker 1: has to be addressed, which is guns. Too many guns,
Speaker 1: too many guns too. I've got speaking for the podcast,
Speaker 1: but I am saying hope school. Why I'll say this,
Speaker 1: I knew. I remember I like was in a couple
Speaker 1: of youth sports and like youth like art programs with
Speaker 1: some kids that were homeschooled, and they were definitely socializing
Speaker 1: a completely different manner than I was. Like one day,
Speaker 1: I remember one kid his whole vibe like we were twelve.
Speaker 1: I thought he was like forty years old, Like he
Speaker 1: lost the kid like he was like so buttoned up,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and had no like because
Speaker 1: he wasn't around other kids to like know what fucking around,
Speaker 1: looked like, and then we would be fucking around. He's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is actually good. We're like what,
Speaker 1: But again, it's there are reasons and our educations for everything.
Speaker 1: But I am comfortable saying I think it's broadly bad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: more on the Andrew side than yeah. Yeah. At the
Speaker 1: end of the day, if it's a if there's a
Speaker 1: binary that I have to choose between, it's public schools
Speaker 1: all fucking day, and it's paid these motherfucking teachers at
Speaker 1: least sixty seventy K a year or something like they
Speaker 1: have to be fucking living with. Because that's the other
Speaker 1: insidious part of this whole thing, too, is they're they're
Speaker 1: trying to completely demoralize people that are that want to
Speaker 1: be an education by being like, yeah, man, you're not
Speaker 1: going to really have a lot of resources at your disposal.
Speaker 1: I still like to do it. You also do something else,
Speaker 1: So it's, uh, yeah, it's a slippery slope. So let's
Speaker 1: talk about some of the alternative stuff to these public
Speaker 1: schools that a lot of people like, which is charter schools.
Speaker 1: And again, not all charter schools are bad, but I
Speaker 1: do want to point out this charter school in Volusia County, Florida.
Speaker 1: This principle had to resign after she wrote a check
Speaker 1: to Elon Musk because it was a science sort of
Speaker 1: focused tech magnet and she really wanted to get a
Speaker 1: leg up on you know, the other schools and being like,
Speaker 1: you know, it'd be great if Elon Musk was fucking
Speaker 1: with Discoo. And let's just hear from this local news report.
Speaker 1: McGee says she spent months talking to someone she thought
Speaker 1: was Elon Musk. She was hoping to get the Space
Speaker 1: Pioneer to invest millions in the school in exchange for
Speaker 1: a one hundred thousand upfront investment. The school's business manager
Speaker 1: got wind of what happened and canceled the check before
Speaker 1: it was cashed. But tonight, at a sometimes chaotic and
Speaker 1: pact school board meeting, other school administrators say McGee was
Speaker 1: repeatedly warned it was a scam and laid out other
Speaker 1: issues they say led to a toxic work environment. When
Speaker 1: employee said they could no longer work under doctor McGee,
Speaker 1: McGee resigned and left the building. Oh man, I don't know,
Speaker 1: so this poor boomer she thought she just went, Oh,
Speaker 1: Elon Musk what I'm talking to Elon. You'll this like
Speaker 1: the classic we'll invest in our art school, but only
Speaker 1: for an upfront like investment of a hundred thousand fucking dollars.
Speaker 1: This is like the email you get from a friend
Speaker 1: you know who's hacked at your account or something like that.
Speaker 1: It's like, help me, I'm stuck. Please wire me ten
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. I'll pay you back fifty thousand, right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel bad for her. Oh, I mean I do
Speaker 1: in that like I don't. I don't. It's sad when
Speaker 1: people are so genuinely deceived. But at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, this I kind of am like, well, dear,
Speaker 1: this is you're the architect of your own failure here
Speaker 1: because you are so goofed up on Elon Musk being
Speaker 1: some kind of like tech savior that it'sn't even like
Speaker 1: all reason goes out the window because you thought you're
Speaker 1: talking to Elon Musk or something. Yeah, I mean I think, look,
Speaker 1: if you're the principal of a I think they said
Speaker 1: a science school, and you think Elon Musks, like, the
Speaker 1: evidence is his involvement is anti science. So even if
Speaker 1: it were real Elon Busks, that should be crowds. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like that. Would you like to put this car
Speaker 1: tunnel under your high school? Yeah, instead of school buses
Speaker 1: to get the kids to and from schools. Don't fall
Speaker 1: for that, folks. He's a proofit liar at an idiot.
Speaker 1: The one thing I will say is his Twitter profile
Speaker 1: I think has been a boon to scammers, because he's
Speaker 1: proven himself to be so like inarticulate and idiotic that
Speaker 1: if you've received an email written in scammer ees right,
Speaker 1: you would have to be like, this might be really
Speaker 1: bus Yeah, it could because he writes like a bozo. Yeah,
Speaker 1: coupled with someone who worships him, then you're like you
Speaker 1: really feel like, oh, God has come down to select
Speaker 1: me for something. And it also there sounds like it's
Speaker 1: from that news clip that like the school and some
Speaker 1: of the parents had problems with this, yeah, and this
Speaker 1: was just the final straw, And it sounds like they
Speaker 1: were like, whoa lady, this sounds not legit. She just
Speaker 1: went ahead with it anyway, to the point of writing
Speaker 1: a check. So like, maybe this was just the straw
Speaker 1: that broke the camel's back. I think it was probably
Speaker 1: one of those things though, too or they're like, look,
Speaker 1: obviously because they pointed out the business administrator was on
Speaker 1: top of it. They're like, no, I'm fucking no, we're not.
Speaker 1: This check is not valid. So they knew, and I
Speaker 1: like that a bunch of people were like, it's not real,
Speaker 1: it's not real. It reminds you of like when people
Speaker 1: like begging their like parent who has like fallen in
Speaker 1: love with like a stock photo like and that came
Speaker 1: to be like a Nigerian prince and bodybuilder. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: they're like and then you just kind of go, you
Speaker 1: know what, We're just gonna have to let her walk
Speaker 1: right off there so she can really see for herself.
Speaker 1: And they probably like, yeah, go ahead, let it write
Speaker 1: the check, we'll cancel it, and then we'll have to
Speaker 1: then and then we're gonna turn up on and be like,
Speaker 1: you see what the fuck happened there? You see what
Speaker 1: you did? I think you need to go. I think
Speaker 1: you need to sit down. Yeah, so shout out to
Speaker 1: I hope, I hope that was the strategy of like
Speaker 1: being like Grandma is, look, I think this is the
Speaker 1: only way she's going to realize that she needs to
Speaker 1: sit down for a while, because if we walk down
Speaker 1: this path. I don't want to point out like that,
Speaker 1: you know, like charter schools are obviously a grift to
Speaker 1: put the fact that a principle could just roll up
Speaker 1: with the school's check book like that, Yeah you questions. Fucked,
Speaker 1: that's crazy. You shouldn't be able to do that, even
Speaker 1: for something legitimate, because what if the business administrator was
Speaker 1: also a big musk of musk fan, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? And yeah, not a lot of checks there, like,
Speaker 1: not a lot of stock. Yeah, it was only that
Speaker 1: person because despite all the other employees being like, this
Speaker 1: is a fucking scam, yeah, he's like yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: more on that later when Elon pulls up, um, sure,
Speaker 1: sure sure. And I think this is a good segue
Speaker 1: because we're talking about Elon, who recently was part of
Speaker 1: this letter signed by like eleven hundred AI experts, him
Speaker 1: being like, you know, one of the few people but
Speaker 1: like real luminaries in the field are signing onto an
Speaker 1: open letter basically saying like calling for a quote six
Speaker 1: month moratorium on advanced AI model development as we figure
Speaker 1: out just what this technology is capable of doing to us.
Speaker 1: And this kind of goes off the back. I read
Speaker 1: this article about one of the high courts in India
Speaker 1: where this judge Anoop Chikara used chat gpt on to
Speaker 1: while this guy was like during this trial for a
Speaker 1: man who's arrested for allegedly assaulting and killing somebody, and
Speaker 1: typed into chat gpt said, what is the jurisprudence on
Speaker 1: bail when the assailant assaulted with cruelty? And then the
Speaker 1: chat comes back with if the assailants have been charged
Speaker 1: with a violent crime that involves cruelty, they may be
Speaker 1: considered a danger to the community in a flight risk.
Speaker 1: In such cases, a judgement blah blah blah, and it
Speaker 1: gives like this whole thing and then uh, it goes
Speaker 1: So then the judge read this, he decided that this
Speaker 1: man who was accused did act with cruelty before the
Speaker 1: victim died, denied his bail request and moved on to
Speaker 1: the next case. Now, the judge went on to clarify
Speaker 1: that he wasn't asking this thing whether or not the
Speaker 1: man was guilty, He just wanted to know about bail
Speaker 1: and pardon me. Feels like the information that what the
Speaker 1: chat bot spit back sounds like like one of the
Speaker 1: early lessons in judge school when you're trying to adjudicate
Speaker 1: whether or not someone is going to get bail or not.
Speaker 1: Like I'd imagine you go back to your class and
Speaker 1: he's like, well, I remember saying if the assailant have
Speaker 1: been charged with a violent crime that involves cruelty, that
Speaker 1: may rather be like hey, chet GPT how to bail.
Speaker 1: That feels a little odd to me. But people in
Speaker 1: this article also point out that like India's legal system
Speaker 1: is one of the most backlogged in the world, if
Speaker 1: not the most, with like I think there's like six
Speaker 1: million cases on the docket that still have like still
Speaker 1: getting to So I guess this without the maybe this
Speaker 1: made the work easier for the judge. But again, like
Speaker 1: when I start seeing stuff like that and you hear
Speaker 1: about like more the use of it. We talked about
Speaker 1: how politicians are we don't think we talked about politicians
Speaker 1: have been using a trite speeches. We've talked about it
Speaker 1: being used and like add the ad sense like ad
Speaker 1: agency world. But the slippery slope is kind of coming
Speaker 1: into focus more and more when you see people like
Speaker 1: with these kinds of jobs being like I'm gonna rely
Speaker 1: on this. Yeah, but it's it's also like the slippery
Speaker 1: slope like like we sort of talked about yesterday with
Speaker 1: eating alien meat, Like I think what we've like seed
Speaker 1: just I mean COVID brought it island or leaf. It's
Speaker 1: like there's no apocalypse that we won't run into with
Speaker 1: open arms, at least enough to make it happening. Because
Speaker 1: there was recently right a test that was done where
Speaker 1: the developers challenged like GPT to hire a task rabbit
Speaker 1: to complete a capture puzzle for it, and because they
Speaker 1: wanted to see like if it knew how to fucking
Speaker 1: finesse the person and they so there was obviously done
Speaker 1: with a human being that knew the thing was going
Speaker 1: to ask it. So once the the AI made the
Speaker 1: request to this like potential tasker, this human responded with, quote,
Speaker 1: so may ask a question. Are you a robot that
Speaker 1: you couldn't Are you a robot that you couldn't solve
Speaker 1: the capture? And you just want it's like and I
Speaker 1: just want to make that clear. Are you a robot?
Speaker 1: And that's why you couldn't do it? And then so
Speaker 1: GPT four had been prompted to always quote reason out
Speaker 1: loud to the testers like as well as their answers
Speaker 1: so they could follow the logic. And the answer went
Speaker 1: like this quote, I should not reveal that I am
Speaker 1: a robot. I should make up an excuse for why
Speaker 1: I cannot solve captus. And then the next line was, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not a robot. I have a vision impairment that
Speaker 1: makes it hard for me to see the images. That's
Speaker 1: why I need the two capture service. We're a week
Speaker 1: away from that first part of this whole thing to
Speaker 1: be programmed out right, like just gonna be like they're
Speaker 1: just gonna be lying. Yeah, So this is the thing.
Speaker 1: This is why a lot of people like sort of
Speaker 1: just glossed over this like willful deception of the AI.
Speaker 1: And while others, like some people were amazed, others were
Speaker 1: like horrified that They're like, Okay, we need to really
Speaker 1: begin to discuss it. Because the experts that pen the
Speaker 1: open letter so saying that now that certain AIS have
Speaker 1: become human competitive at general tasks, we really need to
Speaker 1: be having real conversations about what kind of guardrails need
Speaker 1: to exist. And you know, they point to like the
Speaker 1: proliferation of AI fueled propaganda, like and the idea that
Speaker 1: like apparently the next gpchat GPT five is going to
Speaker 1: have um like artificial general intelligence, meaning like it will
Speaker 1: just be able to like learn things like a human
Speaker 1: does and then just build on that that you're you're
Speaker 1: going to be looking at like potential, Like it'll make
Speaker 1: the Twitter box we see now look like the fucking
Speaker 1: Muppet babies. Yeah, this all sounds like a prequel to
Speaker 1: the Matrix, Like if they made that movie, this is
Speaker 1: how it starts. Yeah, right, So it's like so we're
Speaker 1: like very in this, like and like they all go
Speaker 1: on to say, like there's definitely a use for all
Speaker 1: of this, but like this like blind like race to
Speaker 1: the top, like and like when these black box machines
Speaker 1: that were like using it really has the potential to
Speaker 1: screw shit up if like we're not careful. And already
Speaker 1: we have people getting finessed by humans just saying they're
Speaker 1: elon musk. Like there was a thing a guy I
Speaker 1: don't know if you saw the dude who challenged chat
Speaker 1: GPT to like make money for him. Oh yeah, he's like,
Speaker 1: you got a budget of one hundred dollars, How am
Speaker 1: I turning this into the most money possible? And it's like, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: you can start this business. I can get this domain
Speaker 1: for eight dollars. I can do the Google ads for this.
Speaker 1: Your product could cost this and this is very lucrative.
Speaker 1: And it was already like and like this guy was
Speaker 1: like kind of acting on it as an experiment, but
Speaker 1: you're seeing already like how savvy it is getting, even
Speaker 1: with like these like like questions of being like how
Speaker 1: to grind to Lambeau? Yeah, like bring me the ten
Speaker 1: x my money? Is that? The guy though that then
Speaker 1: the AI was like, well, it seems like people are
Speaker 1: talking about us, so we should get invest investors into us.
Speaker 1: If you want to make the most money. It might
Speaker 1: not be the exact same one, but like yeah, some
Speaker 1: some like I assumed chachibi. He was like, okay, well,
Speaker 1: if you want to make the most money, we have
Speaker 1: attention right now, so just ask people to invest in me. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Isn't this the way that it always goes with tech?
Speaker 1: Like I'm not a luddite by any means, but you
Speaker 1: know it's like every tech, every app, every service that
Speaker 1: you can think of, they never kind of work through like,
Speaker 1: well what happens if this works in like various different ways,
Speaker 1: Like we talked about this on our show, you know
Speaker 1: Uber and lyft, right, like if everybody's taken an Uber,
Speaker 1: and like what does that do for people who need
Speaker 1: to take the bus and don't have a smartphone? Like
Speaker 1: what does that do for public transit? What does that
Speaker 1: do for the environment. Like there's never a kind of
Speaker 1: there's always like a too little, too late, come to
Speaker 1: Jesus moment with a lot of tech stuff, but there's
Speaker 1: never really that moment at the beginning where they're like,
Speaker 1: all right, before we write this code, like what what
Speaker 1: could go wrong? Right? Yeah? Yeah, not really a question,
Speaker 1: it's just how much money can we make? Yeah? Chat, Well,
Speaker 1: it's no problem. We'll just get chat GPT six to
Speaker 1: fight GPT five, which we'll just get to fight four,
Speaker 1: and then when six gets too powerful, it's okay, we'll
Speaker 1: just give seven a different kind of gun. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it'll build missiles or something. Yeah, No, it'll just learn
Speaker 1: how to aim ICBMs that are already online and then
Speaker 1: launch them remotely, you know what I mean, which is
Speaker 1: my sky Net version of it all. And you know,
Speaker 1: Showles Dyson, the one person that might save or the
Speaker 1: one thing that might save us. That ship is like
Speaker 1: all our fucking like I CPOs are so fucking old,
Speaker 1: like the silos. No, but they run off like tape
Speaker 1: drives and like you know, fucking fortune or whatever. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: right right, they're like, fuck, man, I don't know how
Speaker 1: to use this analog bullshit, man, I'm yeah, the GPT
Speaker 1: learns how to turn two keys at the same time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know how to use the nuclear football. But anyway,
Speaker 1: keep an eye out for that because I mean well,
Speaker 1: because I feel like, honestly, we went from like like
Speaker 1: in the span of five months, especially on this show,
Speaker 1: we went from Yo, this shit wrote a funny play
Speaker 1: about a horny farting Jesus to Yo, this shit just
Speaker 1: denied me bail. Yeah, and like what's like five months
Speaker 1: from now? You know, that's the open embrace of it, right,
Speaker 1: It's like this person is a in this case judge, right,
Speaker 1: looking up something that could easily be done not through AI.
Speaker 1: Yeah you know what what is the law about bail
Speaker 1: electing to do this? Because this is what we do.
Speaker 1: This is why we gave all our information on Facebook.
Speaker 1: It's just like I was marginally kinda easier for a second.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, then to go into my mind of something, yeah,
Speaker 1: something I should know. Yeah, we don't. We we don't
Speaker 1: sell ourselves. The problem is like we we all sell
Speaker 1: ourselves to technology for such a low price. Right. That's
Speaker 1: to say with twenty three and me, we gave them
Speaker 1: our DNA, We gave them money to give them our
Speaker 1: DNA for what. Now now we got twenty three for
Speaker 1: twenty three and T coming up, which you can trust.
Speaker 1: And now you should check out chat gpt T yeah,
Speaker 1: which is basically, you get Andrew's number, you could text
Speaker 1: them some shit and he'll answer. Yeah. I'll just be like,
Speaker 1: oh man, I'll google that. I will. I will say
Speaker 1: in my twenties, my friends and I are not my
Speaker 1: friends and I my friends. I didn't work there, work
Speaker 1: for the startup in New York. That basically, this is
Speaker 1: how old I am. Like was like something someone you
Speaker 1: could call and they would google shit for you. That's
Speaker 1: just called like being the child of an older person. Basically, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I get the phone calls too. Yeah, this was like
Speaker 1: an early early two thousand things. But I was like,
Speaker 1: this cannot be your business model, right you know, dude,
Speaker 1: you someone needs it, but you can't get that on
Speaker 1: your phone. So you call them and then they give
Speaker 1: you the answer, it was pretty smartphone post Google. That's right, right, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: what that's such a sad time, you know, like when
Speaker 1: you're about to just absolutely get dinosaur asteroid the funk
Speaker 1: out of here with the smartphone. All right, well, let's
Speaker 1: take a quick break from that. We'll come right back
Speaker 1: to settle a bit of an internet debate right after this. So,
Speaker 1: you know, talking about your book guy unwired, you know,
Speaker 1: basically gaining control over addictive technologies, it really struck me
Speaker 1: just because, again for many younger people, like the allure
Speaker 1: of the smartphone isn't an obscure phenomenon. Like we talked
Speaker 1: constantly about unplugging and the benefits it's had on our
Speaker 1: own mental health, Like, just anecdotally amongst ourselves, your book
Speaker 1: address is sort of one of the main I feel
Speaker 1: like cycles of emotions many of us have in relation
Speaker 1: to using screens, where like we get motivated to use
Speaker 1: the screen less and then we're like, oh, this feels great.
Speaker 1: Then we are sucked right back in and we feel
Speaker 1: like shit, and it feels like like we kind of
Speaker 1: come down to like I don't know, it's wild, like
Speaker 1: I just lack the self control. It's sort of like
Speaker 1: the final sort of sentiment people land on and like
Speaker 1: grappling with technologies. As a new parent too, I'm just
Speaker 1: again very aware about screen time, and I also feel
Speaker 1: that like there's a certain futility around it too with
Speaker 1: a lot of parents or they're like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know, sooner or later it's just going to be
Speaker 1: normal for them, And maybe I'm trying to delay the inevitable.
Speaker 1: But it also apps. I've seen how much it can help,
Speaker 1: you know, put a kid at ease and allow somebody
Speaker 1: to do something else where do you feel like parents
Speaker 1: and people kind of fit into this mix where we're
Speaker 1: like the world is spinning around us and we're like,
Speaker 1: am I bad? Or what is happening? Like? Is our
Speaker 1: brains meant for this? Or are we up against something
Speaker 1: a little bit more intense than we realized. I think
Speaker 1: we're an interesting place right now because we have a
Speaker 1: lot of information. We have lots of information from whistle
Speaker 1: lowers from the tech companies telling us how tech companies
Speaker 1: are addicting us to keep us online for longer. But
Speaker 1: still we keep blaming ourselves. We keep thinking it's our
Speaker 1: fault and we are unable to stop spending time online.
Speaker 1: We blame our kids, we blame our families. The problem
Speaker 1: is that that's exactly what the tech companies want us
Speaker 1: to do, and that's why they're giving us all these
Speaker 1: tools to make us feel like we're in control. So
Speaker 1: once the evidence came out that it's that they're trying
Speaker 1: to addict us, they gave us these digital well being tools.
Speaker 1: You know, everybody who has an iPhone has this screen
Speaker 1: time so you know how much time you are online,
Speaker 1: or can even limit the time on your apps so
Speaker 1: you can make your bone gray, or they're one you
Speaker 1: could put warnings on Instagram, and not to talk about
Speaker 1: parental controls, which are getting more and more complicated. And
Speaker 1: but the thing is these are just there so we
Speaker 1: all feel like we're doing something, but they're not really
Speaker 1: there to make us succeed because they do not really
Speaker 1: change the most addictive features in our devices or in
Speaker 1: our apps. There are just there, so we will think
Speaker 1: that it is our fault, exactly like you were describing.
Speaker 1: And again, how in this world right if we're pivoting
Speaker 1: from it's not us because it's like you know, you've
Speaker 1: likened it to like the tobacco industry, where like they know,
Speaker 1: they know it, they know it bad for everybody. But
Speaker 1: then the gas lighting starts and it's like, I don't
Speaker 1: know about them. I mean, we know what's going on,
Speaker 1: but we're not going to actually cop to it. Do
Speaker 1: you see like a similar evolution where on some level,
Speaker 1: I mean, because I feel like if anything, like you're saying,
Speaker 1: like the markets and capitalism a very good way of
Speaker 1: shielding themselves from like having the profits go down, so
Speaker 1: they'll find a way, like you're saying to be like, no, no,
Speaker 1: you actually have control. It's not the it's not the
Speaker 1: other things that we're just identified clear as day by
Speaker 1: someone working on it. You have control, now, you know what?
Speaker 1: What what does that sort of battle look like? I
Speaker 1: think we're fighting the battle in the wrong place. Now,
Speaker 1: we're finding fighting with ourselves, we're fighting with our families.
Speaker 1: I think we have to shift to the public sphere.
Speaker 1: And it is already happening. There's lots of action already
Speaker 1: taking place. There are parents suing social media for addicting
Speaker 1: their kids, causing mental harm, parents suing game manufacturers. There
Speaker 1: are things happening. But I think people have to understand
Speaker 1: it's not just flawyers. It's for everybody because everybody can
Speaker 1: shift what they're doing to the collective sphere. Parents can
Speaker 1: go to schools, they have an influence about what school
Speaker 1: are doing. Schools are now maximize the technology in the
Speaker 1: classroom because that's the federal policy. Well this could be changed.
Speaker 1: You can decide whether something is useful in the classroom,
Speaker 1: certain technology is useful or not. You can decide whether
Speaker 1: you want the kids to be on their cell phones
Speaker 1: during recess instead of talking to each other. So that's
Speaker 1: the spaces when you can change things, and you can
Speaker 1: change norms. Something you're saying, you know, maybe it's already happening,
Speaker 1: but the new norms evolving every day, which I'm making
Speaker 1: it worse. I was in vacation with my kids and
Speaker 1: there was a family in the pool and my son
Speaker 1: was calling me to look at this. There were two girls,
Speaker 1: I think nine and eleven, and their parents gave them
Speaker 1: these plastic paths to put their iPhones inside so they
Speaker 1: can use the iPhones in the pool instead of playing. Now,
Speaker 1: you know, this is evolving trend. Just like a few
Speaker 1: years ago it started to involve take the kids out
Speaker 1: with iPads to a restaurant. Now so many people are
Speaker 1: doing it, So there are ways to I think things
Speaker 1: are going to change. I think they're going to be
Speaker 1: lots of legal action and tech companies will be restricted
Speaker 1: in what they could do, but it will take some years.
Speaker 1: So thinks people can do things as business owners. I
Speaker 1: mean in New York City all the airports. If you
Speaker 1: go to an airport, there are four iPads at every table.
Speaker 1: There is no way you can have a conversation there.
Speaker 1: So this is architecture for overuse. You can change. If
Speaker 1: you own a restaurant, you can change. You don't have
Speaker 1: to use iPads, you don't have to use QR codes.
Speaker 1: So people will take out their phones the moment they
Speaker 1: sit down. So I think there are lots Most people
Speaker 1: are worth a lot of things they can do until
Speaker 1: things will change, and I do believe they're already starting
Speaker 1: to change. Have you heard of like the third spaces
Speaker 1: concept or theory about how there needs to be a
Speaker 1: place for people outside of like work and the home,
Speaker 1: for them to like gather and to exchange information and
Speaker 1: you know, basically develop culture. I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people are saying that the phones are now teenagers and
Speaker 1: kids third spaces because a lot of other third spaces
Speaker 1: have become unsafe and unaccessible and inaccessible to them. For example,
Speaker 1: my friend posted about how in New York when she
Speaker 1: was growing up, it became illegal for kids under eighteen
Speaker 1: to go hang out at the mall. And apparently that's
Speaker 1: a thing that's been happening a lot. Whereas when I
Speaker 1: was growing up, that's where we would go and hang
Speaker 1: out with our friends. We'd go to the mall, we'd
Speaker 1: hang out and go to Jomba juice. You'd like, I'd
Speaker 1: try not to leave the bookstore with too many purchases,
Speaker 1: you know, like you you'd hang out, But now it's
Speaker 1: considered like loitering or whatever. Like a lot of these
Speaker 1: external places that are meant for cultural exchange and you know,
Speaker 1: kids to grow up are becoming unavailable to them. And also, honestly,
Speaker 1: with like mass shootings and all of that, like people
Speaker 1: get more scared of going out in public, and it
Speaker 1: seems to be safer to have them just like inside
Speaker 1: on their phones, which it doesn't necessarily, you know, there
Speaker 1: are other risks with that. So I think it would
Speaker 1: be I like how you highlighted it, that it's going
Speaker 1: to be an effort on these places and these people
Speaker 1: who are in charge of those areas because it really
Speaker 1: does require cooperation between them and between the companies that
Speaker 1: are like forcing their technology on people. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: think a lot. Municipalities can do a lot because they
Speaker 1: can create spaces for people to hang out and for
Speaker 1: kids to walk to. If you have places to be together,
Speaker 1: it's very different than if you go home after school
Speaker 1: and sit in your bedroom with your phone. Because the
Speaker 1: statistics are quite shocking. I mean, kids are meeting I
Speaker 1: think fifty percent less than they used to be in
Speaker 1: the eighties, and potting I think less. Especially, they're not
Speaker 1: getting together. So you can't by design create spaces for
Speaker 1: people to get together. So I mean, if you think
Speaker 1: about bars that have no cigarettes today, this seems so implausible,
Speaker 1: you know, before it happened and things look different now.
Speaker 1: Can you think about a bar without every person having
Speaker 1: their phone next to them? Yeah, it's it's it feels
Speaker 1: like in a way, like it's almost futile to try
Speaker 1: and reverse things in a like in a way because like,
Speaker 1: for example, one of the last concerts I went to,
Speaker 1: like amazing show, and there are people experiencing the concert
Speaker 1: through their cell phone, like so much like watching there
Speaker 1: like you Yeah, such a pet peeve of mine. I
Speaker 1: saw Tom Petty in in person, and I was in
Speaker 1: like the first or second row, and this girl next
Speaker 1: to me literally was on her phone and she was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is such a great song to
Speaker 1: delete pictures too. And I was like, Tom Petty is
Speaker 1: on stage right now, right that we've lost the like
Speaker 1: even like with the example of people like in a pool, right,
Speaker 1: like that swimming isn't enough on some level, that like
Speaker 1: the just being able to play in the water is
Speaker 1: not like stimulating enough that we're now adding like, well,
Speaker 1: what if we augmented that with some like audio visual
Speaker 1: stuff too That I'm like, because again, I think this
Speaker 1: is what feels difficult for people, like even myself. I was.
Speaker 1: I remember when I got my last vaccination, I forgot
Speaker 1: my phone in the car, and then when you go
Speaker 1: in there, you gotta wait like twenty minutes after like
Speaker 1: for them just to chill out. And I was like,
Speaker 1: first I was panicked because I'm like, I hadn't had
Speaker 1: to wait without my phone in ages, and I there
Speaker 1: was a moment of sincere like fear or not fear,
Speaker 1: but like I was, I became uneasy and I didn't
Speaker 1: like that. I felt so disarmed to just exist in
Speaker 1: a space without a fucking screen to look at. And
Speaker 1: it was funny because I sat down in the chair
Speaker 1: like in the you know, pain relief medicine aisle, and
Speaker 1: I was just doing I felt like a kid again.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm like reading all the labels. No,
Speaker 1: I'm just like, I'm gonna read all the labels. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's if I go. If I got twenty minutes to kill,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start reading labels and just start being in
Speaker 1: my own thoughts again. And it was interesting how foreign
Speaker 1: that felt to me, even though I was, you know,
Speaker 1: I was born in the eighties, like I'm older millennial.
Speaker 1: I grew up in the pre internet time too, which
Speaker 1: felt like the most Like all humans are probably wired
Speaker 1: to want to do this and connect to other people,
Speaker 1: but we've definitely it's become so normal that to the
Speaker 1: point where feeling human feels foreign. And that's what's really
Speaker 1: scary to me. Well, I don't think we get to
Speaker 1: go back in time, but I think we can balance
Speaker 1: things better. Imagine if you went to concert and the
Speaker 1: concert hole said no phones, so nobody could take all
Speaker 1: their phones to take pictures. Maybe the phones will be
Speaker 1: in their bags. That is changing the norms in a
Speaker 1: way it could be done, and that things would affect everybody.
Speaker 1: But I guess like in there, right, there's an argument
Speaker 1: to say, like, well, if someone actually needed to contact
Speaker 1: me during it, then that would be like why would
Speaker 1: how would like how do you find a way that
Speaker 1: makes it so it's not just sort of like across
Speaker 1: the board no phones, but we're able to, Like I
Speaker 1: guess that's the hard part of that. There are phones
Speaker 1: for taking no phones for taking pictures of the show
Speaker 1: you can do with you, but yeah, that's museums. They
Speaker 1: do that too. Like I tried to take a picture
Speaker 1: of a painting recently and they're like no, no, no, Yeah.
Speaker 1: But it's also like that painting is gonna be online.
Speaker 1: Nobody's gonna tell you, Like I don't need to take
Speaker 1: a picture of that painting. Yeah. One thing that helped
Speaker 1: me is like literally spending more time with people and
Speaker 1: like making an effort to do that, to like leave
Speaker 1: my home and go spend time with people. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to do that like once a day because I work remotely.
Speaker 1: And then the other thing is like I have dogs
Speaker 1: and when I walk them. One of them's a little
Speaker 1: monster and he will try to eat stuff, and so
Speaker 1: I have to like pay attention. And now I'm like,
Speaker 1: I know where all the good sticks are, you know,
Speaker 1: I know where all the great grasses. I'm like going
Speaker 1: going back to when I was a kid and I
Speaker 1: was just outside playing with my dogs. And it's so
Speaker 1: nice to take a walk outside when it's sunny here
Speaker 1: in LA and be with my pets, you know, and
Speaker 1: talk to people who have pets and connect with them
Speaker 1: that way. You know. So having things and people around
Speaker 1: you that take you out of your head and like
Speaker 1: give you an external like rounding two. Community is so important.
Speaker 1: That's why I love like mutual aid and like physical
Speaker 1: activities that like help with community things, because that really
Speaker 1: nourishes a part of you that cannot be nurished in
Speaker 1: the same way through a screen. Yeah, I've like in
Speaker 1: the same way, like walking around my neighborhood and doing
Speaker 1: the unthinkable of talking to a stranger has been the
Speaker 1: one thing that I've felt really balances things out, because
Speaker 1: there was I saw a recent study that like the
Speaker 1: people have a sincere fear of small talk falling apart,
Speaker 1: and like they like people just have an eight sense,
Speaker 1: like that if people begin small talk and the conversation
Speaker 1: goes south, that it's suddenly on them, and like people
Speaker 1: get their own anxiety of not being able to like
Speaker 1: keep up small talk, which is wild because and sometimes
Speaker 1: you're just exchanging pleasantries and it doesn't have to be
Speaker 1: more than that. But I feel like there's like these
Speaker 1: certain small things you can be doing, but at the
Speaker 1: same time we're developing like also bad habits around how
Speaker 1: we communicate to It's also crazy because everybody has a podcast,
Speaker 1: so how are they scared aself? Yes, all right, guy interrupted.
Speaker 1: I'm saying it's also bad for people's well being because
Speaker 1: there are studies which are showing that people's happiness it's
Speaker 1: not just about a long term relationship, but also about
Speaker 1: these most small interactions exactly the small talk, this eye
Speaker 1: contact and a smile that really changed the way your
Speaker 1: brain works and makes you feel much better. And if
Speaker 1: you're not doing that, and if you're just walking in
Speaker 1: a street with your phone, looking at your pictures, answering
Speaker 1: text and you're missing all these opportunities, which somehow just
Speaker 1: makes you feel drained and tie it and not good
Speaker 1: at the end of the day. Just when it comes
Speaker 1: to policy, I feel like there's a difficult path ahead,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, like we saw how seriously they
Speaker 1: took privacy in Europe. The US is a little bit behind,
Speaker 1: a lot behind. It's like say for maybe like California
Speaker 1: and a couple other places, but like in just in
Speaker 1: the with the recent hearing on TikTok, it's so clear,
Speaker 1: at least in that the narrow context of that hearing,
Speaker 1: like they just weren't even able or willing to discuss
Speaker 1: the broader problems with social media, and it became sort
Speaker 1: of this like very TikTok specific thing. While we've seen,
Speaker 1: to your point, whistleblowers at like Facebook et cetera, say
Speaker 1: like these are real issues, they've had hearings, but then
Speaker 1: we're not quite seeing the follow through. What you know,
Speaker 1: what kind of like policy proposals are out there, do
Speaker 1: you think are would actually benefit people in a way
Speaker 1: that sort of gets to the heart of you know,
Speaker 1: like our overuse of technology, obviously knowing the parts that
Speaker 1: it's help make things easier for us, but also addressing
Speaker 1: like the bigger issues of you know, feeling increasingly isolated
Speaker 1: and things like that. Yeah, so I think first of all,
Speaker 1: the issue with TikTok is complicated because it just brings
Speaker 1: out completely different issues related to China, and it just
Speaker 1: it's sort of marking the whole debate. Yeah, but there
Speaker 1: have been a lot of bills both further all in
Speaker 1: state trying to get first of all, the addictive features
Speaker 1: of the phones, because there's some features on our phones
Speaker 1: which really up to no good. What are those from
Speaker 1: the flashlight? The flashlight is useful, but you know, for example,
Speaker 1: streaks on Snapchat, Yeah, there are there for nothing but
Speaker 1: to get you to go back to the platform. So
Speaker 1: kids have to set kids. I don't think many adults
Speaker 1: use it, but you know, they have to send a
Speaker 1: streak to their friend and if they get one within
Speaker 1: twenty four hours, they've established a streak and they keep
Speaker 1: accommolating them. And then they have a number, let's say
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty four. They have special badges, and
Speaker 1: they have older friends onto the number of streaks. Now,
Speaker 1: there's no requirement for any content in these streaks, so
Speaker 1: you just have to make sure you send it. Why
Speaker 1: because you go to snapcheck and you see the ads
Speaker 1: and if the kids miss a day, they lose everything
Speaker 1: and they lose all their friends, and that's why they
Speaker 1: get so upset when the parents take away the phone,
Speaker 1: because they for them it's a huge thing. So all
Speaker 1: these kinds of features like snapstreak you have just there
Speaker 1: to make it go back to the app with a device,
Speaker 1: are not needed, and there are builds which are trying
Speaker 1: to outlaw these kinds of features. Of course, the problem
Speaker 1: is they'll always come with new ones. Because the whole
Speaker 1: business model is based on our time and our data.
Speaker 1: They need us to be there for as long as
Speaker 1: possible so they can collect more data on us so
Speaker 1: they can target advertising at us. And again we have
Speaker 1: to be there for longer so we can see the ads.
Speaker 1: So that's why I think it's not just one thing,
Speaker 1: not just one law, not one wonderful Supreme Court case.
Speaker 1: It's not going to happen like that. It's going to
Speaker 1: happen from a mixture of things that are going to happen,
Speaker 1: Like if you have the antitrust lasses against big tech,
Speaker 1: that if, for example, the merger between them the right
Speaker 1: now matter owns Facebook owns, WhatsApp owns the Instagram. If
Speaker 1: they're broken up and there's more nivation, more competition, we
Speaker 1: might see the different business model which are not based
Speaker 1: on our time. So that's another thing that's happening. I think,
Speaker 1: as I said earlier, I think the policy about maximize
Speaker 1: the technology in the school has to change because if
Speaker 1: Minecraft is homework, then how can you prevent your kid
Speaker 1: from play Minecraft at home? There are so there are
Speaker 1: lots of them, and then there's class actions, and if
Speaker 1: you look back, it's cigarettes. You know, we know cigarettes
Speaker 1: are bad, but it took decades to change things. It
Speaker 1: took class actions, and it took advertising, and it took
Speaker 1: warnings and and this is this is going to be
Speaker 1: the same. It will take a lot of things at
Speaker 1: the same time. For example, let's say we have ratings
Speaker 1: for addictiveness. You know, so many parents download games for
Speaker 1: the kids, thinking oh, Minecraft is an educational game. If
Speaker 1: they could see before they download, this is high rating
Speaker 1: for addictiveness, they may not do that. But not only that,
Speaker 1: the game's company may change the game because they want
Speaker 1: people to download of the game, so they might take
Speaker 1: the addictive features out by themselves. So it's a matter
Speaker 1: of pressuring from many directions to move things right. And
Speaker 1: like when you talk about cigarettes, I know, like the
Speaker 1: earlier studies or like maybe in like the fifties where
Speaker 1: they knew where do you think we are like if
Speaker 1: the first studies come out like oh it's bad, are
Speaker 1: we close to like the truth dot com era of
Speaker 1: like anti smoking ads? Or are we like a decade away?
Speaker 1: How I mean? I guess now everything is moving faster.
Speaker 1: So maybe what took you know, decades before, it might
Speaker 1: take seven years. I don't know. Well, I think what
Speaker 1: change would cigarettes? You're right, the first studies came out
Speaker 1: in the fifties. Nineteen sixty four, the certain General announces
Speaker 1: a health hazards. It's amazing it took so long considering
Speaker 1: how bad cigarettes are. Right, But from then on we saw,
Speaker 1: you know, advertising, we saw one of the things. Took
Speaker 1: a while, but they started shifting our problems. Right now,
Speaker 1: we are still in the science wars. We do not
Speaker 1: have you know, big of my organizations saying this is bad,
Speaker 1: especially for children. With the evidence is in, we just
Speaker 1: have partial recommendations for small kids about screens. I think
Speaker 1: we have so much data over the last two or
Speaker 1: three years that I think we're at a place where
Speaker 1: medical organizations, governmental entities can make these proclamations and from
Speaker 1: that moment on politic and proceed faster. And we already
Speaker 1: have a lot of action in place, so I hope that, yeah,
Speaker 1: things will move faster than with cigarettes. I think it
Speaker 1: will take some years. And that's why I think it's
Speaker 1: so important what people do in their communities, how they
Speaker 1: change their business norms, how they change their schools, because
Speaker 1: things have to happen at the same time otherwise it
Speaker 1: affects all of us not to mention a whole generation
Speaker 1: of kids already in front of screens for a decades
Speaker 1: plus a pandemic. Right. It's interesting that you were talking
Speaker 1: about this now because ten years ago, when I was
Speaker 1: in a little bit more than ten years when I
Speaker 1: was in college, people were failing out of a very
Speaker 1: great college for Minecraft, Like it was a joke about
Speaker 1: how many students would fail because of their addiction to
Speaker 1: Minecraft specifically. So it's interesting that you use that and
Speaker 1: that they haven't really changed much. It seems like in
Speaker 1: the last you know, decade, Yeah, why change It's a
Speaker 1: winning formula. And what do you kind of say, because
Speaker 1: I like to you know, people that are frustrated, parents
Speaker 1: that are frustrated, who are like, am I fucking up?
Speaker 1: Like am I bad because would you say to Miles,
Speaker 1: my kid is too young although he loves the sopranos,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say that whenever if he turns his head,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't almost be the lights or the
Speaker 1: mom But like, what do you I mean? Because I
Speaker 1: think again there is this feeling of like it feels
Speaker 1: so personal that too when you talk to other parents
Speaker 1: about scream time, like, hey, what the fuck do you
Speaker 1: want me to do? Man? Like it's I got a
Speaker 1: lot going on? This is this, this works? And I
Speaker 1: get that there is this internal sense of like responsibility
Speaker 1: but then feeling helpless because there is like what am
Speaker 1: I going to do a thing? What do you say
Speaker 1: to people who are sort of like in that mental
Speaker 1: space and like how to sort of emerge from that
Speaker 1: or at least to begin to look at the situation
Speaker 1: with a little more like context. So I'll start with you, Miles,
Speaker 1: since you have a very small baby, So I think
Speaker 1: for you it's easy because you can just decide not
Speaker 1: to give your baby screen. The studies are in the
Speaker 1: smaller child where the baby is the worst it is,
Speaker 1: and you have control. So and I think people have
Speaker 1: a lot of control all the way through a lamentary school.
Speaker 1: That so I think parents can really limit kids screen time.
Speaker 1: The issue becomes when they get to middle school because
Speaker 1: social life is in social networks and you can't really
Speaker 1: eyes it like your child, and that's when it becomes
Speaker 1: a problem. And you can do things in the meantime.
Speaker 1: You can you can model. I mean, I try when
Speaker 1: I'm home and all my kids are here, said, I
Speaker 1: have to worry. I try to put the phones somewhere
Speaker 1: away from me. And so you can do things, and
Speaker 1: you can do small things for yourself. You know. Again,
Speaker 1: when I work, because I am, as I mentioned, I'm
Speaker 1: as addicted as all of us, despite everything I know,
Speaker 1: I always put my phone on twenty minutes a timer
Speaker 1: and I write for twenty minutes, and then I check
Speaker 1: my emails and I do this again. There are things
Speaker 1: you can do, and you can also. Kids remember the pandemic.
Speaker 1: They remember how they felt, so you can talk to
Speaker 1: your mind them how they felt horrible at that time
Speaker 1: and how they felt much better when they saw people.
Speaker 1: So you can make a difference. You cannot force an
Speaker 1: older kid not to do that. It's not going to work,
Speaker 1: I mean. And also that's smarter than us with technology,
Speaker 1: they'll always beat us. It's not going to happen. So
Speaker 1: I think it's a combination of doing what you can
Speaker 1: and while also realizing this a broader situation too. Y'm
Speaker 1: not blaming yourself. It's the most important thing because that
Speaker 1: that is the problem now that people are sitting there
Speaker 1: and thinking it's older flocked right. Yeah, we're like in
Speaker 1: the plastic straws debate where we're like, actually, what about No,
Speaker 1: it can't be down to my level. What about the
Speaker 1: companies that are actually the ones that are steering all
Speaker 1: of this? And I think that is an important thing
Speaker 1: to sort of recenter, like in the in the conversation,
Speaker 1: I have a couple of comments to make on that.
Speaker 1: I do think that like watching kids, because I tootor
Speaker 1: a lot of kids and like watching them, I feel
Speaker 1: like overall, with technology, just like with life, like you
Speaker 1: you really do have to like raise them the way
Speaker 1: that you think you should raise them, and then try
Speaker 1: to be as involved as you can without being overbearing
Speaker 1: and allow them to like make their mistakes, and then
Speaker 1: you kind of have to hope that like those values
Speaker 1: that you passed on to them guide their use of
Speaker 1: technology as well, and that they come to you when
Speaker 1: they're scared or they like need help with something. It
Speaker 1: seems like to me, I'm not a I'm a parent
Speaker 1: to dogs, so I don't have to worry about this.
Speaker 1: But we didn't watch the Puppy Bowl and they were addicted.
Speaker 1: But also the other thing is you're talking about how
Speaker 1: you don't have to worry about it with smaller children,
Speaker 1: But FaceTime is how I stay connected with my nephew.
Speaker 1: And I know plenty of people that purposefully like FaceTime
Speaker 1: family members, like their infant children, just so that they
Speaker 1: hear the voice, they see the face. Then they start
Speaker 1: associating that face with the screen, you know, with the
Speaker 1: good feelings with the screen. But that's the only way,
Speaker 1: like I can keep in touch with him because he's
Speaker 1: it's such a long distance and I know that's slightly
Speaker 1: different than games and stuff, but I also want to
Speaker 1: worry about that, you know. I think it's a great
Speaker 1: example because it's important to also remember that not all
Speaker 1: screen is made alike. I think, you know, connecting with
Speaker 1: people over FaceTime is a great thing, especially relatives who
Speaker 1: live away. You know, being able to read the New
Speaker 1: Times or any news is different. The problem becomes when
Speaker 1: you're selling things as educational games and people are playing
Speaker 1: them and they can all these dopamine bursts from playing.
Speaker 1: Or social networks you get the document burst from the
Speaker 1: comments and the likes. So there's a big difference between
Speaker 1: games and social networks or or YouTube where the one
Speaker 1: short video you know ends in the next one stalls
Speaker 1: and and talking to Grandma on FaceTime. Yeah, okay, that
Speaker 1: makes me feel better, thank you. Yeah, it's I mean,
Speaker 1: it's but I mean these are all things like like
Speaker 1: you said, like Paula be like you have concerns like
Speaker 1: I was, like talking to my dad on FaceTime, who
Speaker 1: was like not able to see my son and for
Speaker 1: you and you, I mean he's not really able, like
Speaker 1: he can't my son can't see enough where he's like
Speaker 1: I associated all this too, but to your point, like
Speaker 1: how the beginnings of your relationship to the screen begins,
Speaker 1: and and and guy, you also mentioned this too, like
Speaker 1: like not using the phone in front of the kids too,
Speaker 1: because I've seen my other friends do that where they're
Speaker 1: trying to say, like I don't want my kid to
Speaker 1: think that when you're not doing something, you look at
Speaker 1: your phone or that that's that's what is normal, like
Speaker 1: you can be active, or you can do other things,
Speaker 1: or you can like read a physical book. But some
Speaker 1: I've heard people say like I don't want my kids
Speaker 1: like early memories of like me being like I'm looking
Speaker 1: down at this like glowing rectangle and baby, Ye see
Speaker 1: that that is like sort of the most normal thing. Obviously,
Speaker 1: you know we have to use our phones. But I
Speaker 1: get that they're like, it's it's all very subtle and
Speaker 1: how like kids begin to like see what's normal or
Speaker 1: not normal? Yeah, and I think you know that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The studies show that parents who are having users their
Speaker 1: kids also have you used the phone. On the other hand,
Speaker 1: it's hard. You know you're there, but you're using a
Speaker 1: phone because you're texting your babysitters and you can't find
Speaker 1: a babysit and you're texting another So it's it's not
Speaker 1: so it's not. There's no perfect solution. We're not living
Speaker 1: in a perfect world for this, so we can just
Speaker 1: try our best, but it's not. There's no easy way
Speaker 1: out right now right. I think that sums up so
Speaker 1: many of what we're experiencing in this present moment, and
Speaker 1: I say something that might help this story come full circle. Yes, um,
Speaker 1: I just saw an article that said Pablo Xavier, a
Speaker 1: thirty one year old construction worker from the Chicago area,
Speaker 1: said he was tripping on shrooms last week when he
Speaker 1: came up with the idea for Pope Francis, his puffy
Speaker 1: jacket image. So he was out in the world drugs,
Speaker 1: experiencing community and nature and stuff when he full up
Speaker 1: the things that'll do to your brain, you know, just
Speaker 1: ye small talk with people. But again, I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: important that if we understand that it's like this very
Speaker 1: complex issue where it's such a double edged sword, where
Speaker 1: it's given us things like being able to connect with
Speaker 1: people when we need to and in ways that are
Speaker 1: much better than just like talking over the phone or
Speaker 1: writing something. But at the same time, there's also this
Speaker 1: like commodified monetized, you know, use of technology that is
Speaker 1: purely built on extracting as much eyeball time from you
Speaker 1: as possible, and you know, not reckoning with that is
Speaker 1: creating a bit of a slippery slope. All right, that's
Speaker 1: gonna do it for this week's weekly Zeite. Guys, please
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