WEBVTT - No Such Thing as a Free Orgy 0:00:04.840 --> 0:00:10.440 School of Humans. Sanctum Unmasked is about a sex club 0:00:10.560 --> 0:00:14.120 and describes various sex acts. Please use discretion where and 0:00:14.160 --> 0:00:21.880 when you listen. Rich people can get the best of everything, 0:00:22.560 --> 0:00:26.000 or maybe not the best, but at least the most expensive, 0:00:26.480 --> 0:00:29.800 and that includes sex. The uber wealthy don't have to 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:32.600 tragically doomswipe on dating apps to find a stranger to 0:00:32.600 --> 0:00:34.959 hook up with. They can have sex delivered to them 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:39.239 on a silver platter metaphorically speaking, although I'm sure that's 0:00:39.280 --> 0:00:42.760 been done literally too, Or if they're so inclined, they 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:46.560 can hire a professional to curate a bespoke sexual experience 0:00:46.800 --> 0:00:51.440 that plays out their wildest fantasies. And well, these are 0:00:51.479 --> 0:00:53.440 the kind of people that Damon knew he wanted to 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:56.520 cater to. Remember back in our first episode, when he 0:00:56.600 --> 0:00:59.160 was wandering the streets of Beverly Hills trying to think 0:00:59.160 --> 0:01:02.280 what he could offer the super rich. Well, he managed 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:06.559 to do it. He found his depraved little niche. Now, 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:09.800 when we left you last, Damon's personal life was basically 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:13.520 up in flames. But as that was happening, the club's 0:01:13.560 --> 0:01:16.880 success was skyrocketing. It was as if there was an 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:20.399 inverse relationship between the two. The worse his marriage with 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:24.319 Melissa grew, the more rich and successful he became. It's 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:27.000 like that quote from The devilwares Prada, when our King 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:30.119 Stanley Tucci says, let me know when your whole life 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:33.040 is up in smoke, that means it's time for a promotion. 0:01:34.800 --> 0:01:37.760 The year that Damon and Melissa broke up, twenty sixteen, 0:01:38.200 --> 0:01:41.280 Damon moved into the Sanctum mansion and began what would 0:01:41.280 --> 0:01:44.600 be the club's most lucrative era, with people paying him 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:48.320 hundreds of thousands of dollars for a membership literally, and 0:01:48.440 --> 0:01:52.279 all the success, the money, the proximity to celebrity, well, 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:53.680 it started to go to his. 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:58.080 Head at that time. I definitely wanted to create something 0:01:58.080 --> 0:02:03.120 that was very elitist. I wanted to attract those types 0:02:03.160 --> 0:02:06.360 of people. That definitely was part of the driving force 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:09.400 of Sanctum was like, I can be king of my 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:12.400 own little world here. I think that part of my 0:02:12.440 --> 0:02:16.000 success must have been because I was that person. 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:32.760 Welcome to Sanctum unmasked, I'm your host, Carl schortinau So, 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:36.200 Sanctum was one of the hottest parties in town, and 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:38.919 like any good members only club, you had to apply 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:41.519 to get in, which of course makes the whole thing 0:02:41.600 --> 0:02:46.560 more appealing. The club's popularity had surpassed even Damon's expectations, 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:49.880 and was now getting hundreds of applications for every event, 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:53.639 from which they'd select the most desirable hundred, so an 0:02:53.639 --> 0:02:57.359 invite to the party was a hot commodity. Damon's social 0:02:57.400 --> 0:03:00.639 media had turned into a constant stream of naked selfies 0:03:00.680 --> 0:03:03.839 from girls begging him to pretty please let me into 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:07.960 the party, and as the club's overlord, he decided who 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:11.080 made the cut. He was essentially god of who's hot 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:14.880 and who's not. And it's no secret that Sanctum had 0:03:14.919 --> 0:03:16.799 a type when it came to women. 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:20.160 This gets tricky because of what, you know, what it 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:23.200 implies that we were only letting in beautiful girls or 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:25.560 whatever that means. What is beauty? And am I the 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:29.480 person was like the gatekeeper? And yeah, you know I was. 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:32.880 They would send in pictures and videos and most of 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:35.600 them were they weren't wearing clothes, and you know, they 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:38.280 really wanted to get into this party, and we chose 0:03:38.320 --> 0:03:40.480 the ones that seemed like they were going to be 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:42.560 the most right for it, and generally those were the 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:46.200 ones who were super attractive. And you know, sometimes someone 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:49.320 would just be super sexy in their attitude and you 0:03:49.400 --> 0:03:52.080 knew they would add something really special. So it wasn't 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:55.640 just purely looks, but I mean, yeah, it was based 0:03:55.640 --> 0:03:56.200 a lot on that. 0:03:57.400 --> 0:04:02.560 Basically, no fugly people unless they were super cool. Along 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:06.240 with sending photos of themselves, everyone who wanted into the 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:09.960 party had to fill out an application. It included questions 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:14.440 about your work, passions, sexual fantasies, what you could offer 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:17.640 to the Sanctum community. It essentially were like a super 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:19.280 inappropriate resume. 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:22.000 And those answers were pretty telling. When someone would be 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:24.919 like you need me there, like, I wouldn't respond to 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:27.760 that person. There was so much ego involved from so 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:31.000 many of these people, obviously, and I didn't want like 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:33.440 a bunch of assholes in there. There were times when 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:35.760 I let them in because they were buying you know, 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:38.560 eight seven, eight thousand dollars tables, and I needed the 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:40.680 fucking money. But once I got to the point where 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:42.400 I didn't need the money I got, I sort of 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:45.640 got stricter and stricter with the kinds of men that 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:46.480 I would let in. 0:04:47.320 --> 0:04:52.159 And no assholes unless you were super rich. It's important 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:54.880 to note that the vast majority of clientele at Sanctum 0:04:54.960 --> 0:04:58.120 were wealthy and white, and that definitely plays into the 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:01.479 dynamics at the club. I Though Damon says his intention 0:05:01.640 --> 0:05:05.279 was to curate a positive, open environment, that wasn't always 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:09.840 the result. This may come as a surprise to some people, 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:13.440 but something about privilege can make people think they get 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:15.119 to act however the fuck they want. 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:19.200 I mean, men would generally like thirties to you know, 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:22.960 mid fifties. Those guys in their fifties were the guys 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:26.720 who were paying the big membership fees, and so you know, three, 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:29.240 four or five of those guys, they would pay for 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:32.120 that whole party. I did let in some younger men, 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:35.320 and I had so many problems with guys in their twenties. 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:39.520 They would slap a girl's ass or something drunk, They 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:42.880 felt very entitled, They looked good, they had nice bodies, 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:45.039 and they were handsome, and I wanted some of that 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:48.600 energy for sure, But a lot of them were fucking idiots. 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:55.080 Yeah, I've dated a lot of those guys. Anyway, Anyone 0:05:55.080 --> 0:05:58.520 who's into hosting, whether it's a casual dinner or a wedding, 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:01.880 knows that a party, it's only as good as it's guests. 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:04.560 We all know those people who just always get invited 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:07.800 to everything because they're super funny or generous, or they 0:06:07.839 --> 0:06:11.560 bake the best cookies or whatever. Well, these rules also 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:15.520 apply to sex parties, minus the stuff about baked goods. 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:17.279 I don't know if it's gonna sound weird enough, but 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:20.200 if I saw men that were like really pleasing women, 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:22.400 you know, they were eating pussy, they had big dicks, 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:25.159 they were fucking really good, I would invite them back. 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:29.400 I wanted those guys that were going to please women 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:32.800 because without those women, I had no parties. And if 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:35.680 it was just like older men that were rich and 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:39.599 supporting the event, the women would stop coming. I guess 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:41.560 in that were some of the top porn stars. I 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:44.680 mean guys with like, you know, fourteen inch fucking dicks, 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:46.560 and I would never meet them in the real world, 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:47.720 but they were at my party. 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:51.160 I love when straight guys get all excited by other 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:56.279 guys dicks. I find it really sweet. Honestly, Damon clearly 0:06:56.360 --> 0:06:58.479 wanted there to be something on the menu for all 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:05.839 of his guests, even if it meant promoting unrealistic boner standards. Okay, 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:09.400 by this point, you pervs are probably wondering how much 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:14.280 did Sanctum cost anyway? And is it in my budget? Well, 0:07:14.560 --> 0:07:18.720 the answer to that was always changing. When Sanctum launched 0:07:18.880 --> 0:07:21.920 back in twenty thirteen, a ticket cost one hundred bucks. 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:25.520 Memberships were fifteen hundred, which gave you access to a 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:29.440 live sex performance on the night, but the more successful 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:33.400 the club became, the more it charged. By twenty sixteen, 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:36.880 when Damon moved into the Sanctum mansion, admission to a 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:40.239 single party was twenty five hundred dollars for a single man, 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:44.200 two thousand dollars for a couple, and free for single women. 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:47.800 Tickets were upward of ten thousand dollars if you wanted 0:07:47.840 --> 0:07:52.000 a table with bottle service. Yearly membership started at ten k, 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:54.679 which basically just meant you were pre paying for every 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:58.120 party that year, whether you went or not. But that 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:03.040 wasn't expensive enough for Damon's richest Hornius guests. It was 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:06.239 becoming clear to him that actually it seemed the more 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:10.680 he charged, the more attractive the memberships were. Human psychology 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:15.040 is weird like that, I guess. So Damon's like, Okay, 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:17.880 I'm just going to start experimenting with how much I 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:20.440 can charge before people tell me to go fuck myself. 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:23.240 So he comes up with the idea to create a 0:08:23.360 --> 0:08:29.880 higher tier of membership called Dominus. Dominant members would pay 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:33.400 seventy five thousand dollars per year. Of course, he knew 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:35.520 he had to offer something special to make it worth 0:08:35.520 --> 0:08:38.760 the money, and as someone who's always been obsessed with 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:41.400 secret societies, he comes up with this. 0:08:42.200 --> 0:08:45.320 I liked the idea of an initiation ritual of some kind. 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:48.880 I was reading some stuff on just a different kind 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:53.040 of tribal societies initiating young men into the tribes, and 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:55.920 it was like a coming of age thing where you 0:08:55.960 --> 0:08:58.520 had to go from a boy to a man. And 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:00.880 so there was something about that that I liked because 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:03.800 I didn't experience any kind of ceremony that would take 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:07.160 me from boyhood to manhood. And so I just came 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:07.920 up with this thing. 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:15.640 This thing being a blood oath ceremony. Yes, it is 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:18.840 what it sounds like. Okay, let me break this down. 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:23.040 When someone bought a Dominant membership, Damian would host a 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:26.960 ritual initiation at either the Sanctum mansion or the member's home. 0:09:27.600 --> 0:09:30.200 There was a lot of pomp and circumstance, like really 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:33.320 leaning into the whole secret society thing. There were robes, 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:37.560 there was candles, there was probably some chanting, and the 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:39.840 member would be given a lapel pin to wear at 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:43.440 the parties to advertise their special dominant status. 0:09:44.200 --> 0:09:45.960 And I did it in a way that was definitely 0:09:46.000 --> 0:09:49.520 felt ceremonial. You know. I had these cool leather snake 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:53.920 skin bound boxes with these snake sculptures on top, and 0:09:53.960 --> 0:09:57.120 you'd open the box and inside you would find like 0:09:57.559 --> 0:10:00.960 your lapel pin, and those who were selling for a lot, 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:03.400 you know, an incredibly I mean, that's a huge sum 0:10:03.400 --> 0:10:04.280 of money. 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:07.760 For the ceremony. The inductee would sit on the bed 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:11.440 with two performers from the club. One performer would whisper 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:14.000 a secret password in his ear that could be used 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:17.400 to get backstage access at the parties, so like basically 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:19.320 you could hang out in the green room and watch 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:22.320 the performers fluff themselves before live sex shows. 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:26.320 For instance, I honestly used to crack up with the 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:28.640 other performers the fact that they wouldn't get people to 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:30.720 pay for this, because it honestly felt like a waste 0:10:30.720 --> 0:10:31.240 of money to me. 0:10:32.400 --> 0:10:36.560 That's Ambros again, Sanctum's longtime performer he participated in a 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:39.760 lot of dominant ceremonies. Remember he's a trans man, but 0:10:39.800 --> 0:10:42.160 back when he was working at Sanctum was still presenting 0:10:42.200 --> 0:10:45.760 as fem Here he is remembering how these dominant ceremonies 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:46.320 went down. 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:50.680 We don't get a drink, have some brief small talk 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:54.320 real quick, and then Damon would break out his little 0:10:56.040 --> 0:11:01.959 ornamental like box thingy he had, and he had this 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:07.199 like crafted up like contract that was like on off 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:09.559 white paper. It looks like those projects I did in 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:10.319 elementary school. 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:11.840 We'd have to teaseta in the paper. 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:23.520 Here's this official Sanctum scroll. He'd say some words and 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:26.680 read the fucking contract, singing like part of their like 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:28.880 phrase was like in Latin and shit. 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:33.000 So what did this fancy scroll say anyways? 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:35.280 Cause I'm even remember it, but it was like, you know, 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:38.480 you're now initiated to the inner Sanctum, and you're now 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:42.160 part of this secretive society, and we've got this password 0:11:42.240 --> 0:11:44.319 to get into this private room or whatever. 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:49.280 Deep Now, I know what you're thinking, where's the blood 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:52.720 in this so called blood oat ceremony? Well, chill out, 0:11:52.720 --> 0:12:01.320 I'm getting there after the break. Okay, back to the 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:04.600 blood ritual stuff. After the whole scroll part was over, 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:07.160 it was finally time for the member to sign the contract. 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:12.560 Now Damon would produce a spear from his robe and 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:15.640 slice the hand of the new member. They would then 0:12:15.760 --> 0:12:19.240 bleed out onto the scroll and drink their own blood 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:22.960 from a chalice. Then they'd kneel before Damon, declaring him 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:30.400 the Almighty sex Club God. Lol, just kidding. I'll just 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:31.360 let Damon explain it. 0:12:32.520 --> 0:12:34.800 What we did was, and this is going to sort 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:37.080 of demystify it in a sense. But I went to 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:39.400 like write eight, and I bought those testing kits when 0:12:39.400 --> 0:12:42.400 you have diabetes with the little needle things, and the 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:43.959 needle would pop out of the little plastic thing and 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:46.360 it would prick your finger, and then if you squeeze 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:47.560 your finger, you know, you can get a little bit 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:50.000 of blood, not much, but enough blood to put it 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:52.400 on to a contract. At the bottom of the page 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:54.840 there was a lion head, and the idea is that 0:12:54.880 --> 0:12:57.280 you would take the blood from your finger and you'd 0:12:57.280 --> 0:12:59.680 put it on the lion head. And that was like 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:00.880 part of the initiation. 0:13:01.600 --> 0:13:06.199 Oh right, that sounds more sanitary but less fun. Now, 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:09.800 this was so obviously kind of funny, like it's essentially 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:12.920 a bunch of middle aged men LARPing some serious game 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:16.840 of throne shit. But there is something I really admire 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:19.840 about Damon for his ability to just lean into the 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:24.840 cheesy and the ridiculous with true sincerity. And people really 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:27.560 responded to this, Like a ton of people bought these 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:32.439 Dominant memberships. Yet again, this crazy idea was working. 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:36.560 Honestly, sometimes felt like it is my life, Like it 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:43.000 was very surreal. They had members that were like actors, comedians, 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:49.160 sports players, musicians, like I met some people I never 0:13:49.200 --> 0:13:51.280 thought I would meet in my entire life, and it 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:53.319 was always so weird as buck to me because they 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:57.520 would be like, yeah, so it would be kind of 0:13:57.520 --> 0:14:01.319 cool someday if like after the end of civilization they 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:07.840 like find this box the Dominant Sanctum members agreements and 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:11.960 then they like genetically like use their blood and like 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:18.800 recreate them. And I was like, what excuse me, have 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:19.760 you even having too. 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:20.000 Much k. 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:24.040 There are a couple like things I saved from that time, 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:26.000 and some of it is the blood of some of 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:29.080 these huge celebrities. I just figured like at some point 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:32.080 in their future, you know, this would be some kind 0:14:32.120 --> 0:14:35.480 of folklore like once they're dead. These things go in 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:37.800 a museum or something like, this is the blood of 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:39.400 blah blah blah. 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:42.600 For the record, that's my favorite thing Damon's ever said. 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:45.160 I love the idea that he still has a box 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:48.560 of glamorous celebrity blood covered in dust somewhere in his attic. 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:50.360 You never know when that sort of thing might come 0:14:50.360 --> 0:14:54.160 in handy. Oh, but there is one more vital part 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:55.040 of the initiation. 0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:57.840 I mean, quite honestly, the person who was being initiated 0:14:57.880 --> 0:14:58.640 would have a threesome. 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:05.960 Okay, now those high prices are making more sense, Like, 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:09.040 I don't care if you're bezos rich. Who the hell 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:12.080 pay seventy five thousand dollars for a lapel pin and 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:13.000 a fingerprick? 0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:17.120 It was implied that we were like in offering to 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:20.720 the new member to spend time with us both. It 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:23.480 wasn't said outwardly like you're gonna have a threesome with them, 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:25.480 that this person you need to make them come, but 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:27.520 you could tell that was like what was expected of you. 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:31.840 Now the way Ambrose just described the language Sanctum used 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:35.560 in these ceremonies, that the performers would quote spend time 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:40.720 with its members. That is essentially the loophole of sex work. Obviously, 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:43.760 it's illegal to buy and sell sex virtually everywhere in 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:46.160 the US. So for instance, if you go to a 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:49.040 sex worker's website, they don't list the price of a blowjob. 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:51.760 They list the price of an hour of their time, 0:15:52.120 --> 0:15:55.240 and then within that time, consenting adults can do whatever 0:15:55.280 --> 0:16:00.400 they want, and coincidentally, that might include a blowjob. And 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:03.560 when it came to this whole initiation thing, Damon said, 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:06.000 it was never hard to find performers who were down 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:07.440 to be part of these ceremonies. 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:10.960 I would say, like, you know, we're doing a dominant ceremony. 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:13.240 This is who it's with, who wants to do it. 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:17.840 I had plenty of performers who were more than happy 0:16:18.200 --> 0:16:21.280 to have a threesome with one of the biggest rock 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:23.120 stars in the world, you know, and I would pay 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:25.560 them for the ceremony. You know. It was a really 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:27.680 fine line I was walking. And it's hard for me 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:30.600 to speak of it because I think there probably some 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:33.640 legal implications in all of it, But like in the 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:36.720 way that I arranged things, and in the culture of 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:38.240 what I was doing, and in the way that we 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:40.200 spoke to each other about things, it was like this, 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:43.680 you know you're gonna get paid to do this dominant ceremony. 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:46.720 Whatever you decide to do is up to you, and 0:16:46.800 --> 0:16:50.400 I would make that crystal clear that sex was never expected. 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:54.120 I'm telling you now, do not fuck anyone unless you 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:58.600 want to fuck that. This is your choice. Then whatever 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:00.880 happened between the three of them was between them. I 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:03.960 didn't need to know this was for them now. Of course, afterwards, 0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:05.840 I would say so, what happened to the girls? 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:06.040 You know? 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:07.800 They would tell me everything. 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:11.680 And apparently they often provided some great gossip. 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:16.399 There was one where the gentleman requested a strap on 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:18.560 and afterwards I say, so, how you know, how was it? 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:20.280 They're always it was great. 0:17:20.320 --> 0:17:23.399 He had the best time and he loved the experience. 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:25.360 And I was like, so which one you know? Did 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:28.639 you fuck? Hurt it? And they were like no, he 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:32.040 had me put it on and I fucked him and 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:32.520 I was. 0:17:32.440 --> 0:17:38.400 Like, oh, you know. 0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:44.879 Like, oh wow, that's incredible. I didn't even I just 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:45.959 didn't think that. 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:50.960 Remember this was back in twenty sixteen, before pegging was trending. 0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:57.200 Since the dominant memberships were doing so well, Damon was like, Okay, 0:17:57.280 --> 0:18:01.240 I guess i'll just roll with this, and in my opinion, 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:06.480 this is where stuff gets really crazy. So even the 0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:10.919 rich have hierarchies. There's the wealthy, the super wealthy, and 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:14.800 the disgustingly wealthy. And if you're disgustingly wealthy, you don't 0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:17.919 want to be mistaken for some tragic super wealthy person 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:22.720 Out in the regular, non masked orgy world. The rich 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:26.159 use signifiers like fancy cars or broken bags or whatever 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:30.040 to demonstrate their wealth. But at the parties, everyone's in 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:33.320 fancy tuxes or lingerie and most people are wearing masks, 0:18:33.640 --> 0:18:37.919 so everyone's on an even playing field. But if you 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:41.840 had that special Dominus lapelpin, you could signify that you 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:46.000 were above other members. But what if you wanted something 0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:49.119 even more important than a lapelpin. 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:52.399 I was just always testing the water to see what 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:54.720 was possible at that point when I was charging seventy 0:18:54.720 --> 0:18:57.879 five thousand yearly for dominance, being part of the hierarchy, 0:18:58.280 --> 0:19:01.040 or showing off your status at saying, and became something 0:19:01.119 --> 0:19:04.000 worth spending money on. It's hard to build a business 0:19:04.000 --> 0:19:07.359 to that point where just wearing a lapelpin cost you 0:19:07.400 --> 0:19:09.920 seventy five thousand dollars a year, but you know, that's 0:19:09.960 --> 0:19:12.280 what Sanctum was. It was like it was this really 0:19:12.400 --> 0:19:15.359 high end brand and this thing that people wanted to 0:19:15.400 --> 0:19:18.159 identify with, and so they're willing to spend quite a 0:19:18.160 --> 0:19:20.160 bit of money for that status. 0:19:21.520 --> 0:19:25.280 So he creates an even higher tier of members, the 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:31.879 Violet Key Benefactors or VKB. For sure, Damon only sold 0:19:31.920 --> 0:19:36.040 two VKB memberships. The first was for three hundred and 0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:40.479 fifty thousand dollars, the second was for four hundred and 0:19:40.560 --> 0:19:45.880 twenty five thousand dollars, nearly half a fucking million dollars. 0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:51.000 And for this you get legit, all you get is 0:19:51.000 --> 0:19:51.400 a ring. 0:19:52.920 --> 0:19:54.760 It's purely status. I mean, is there really that much 0:19:54.800 --> 0:19:58.160 of a difference between like the very top end five 0:19:58.160 --> 0:20:02.200 point fifty Mercedes leather interior that you can buy. I mean, 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:05.280 those cars are amazing. I was just gonna say I 0:20:05.280 --> 0:20:07.879 actually drive one once. It's just totally bragging, but I 0:20:07.920 --> 0:20:10.560 do drive one. It's a fucking great car. A Rolls 0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:13.119 Royce is four times that would I rather be driving 0:20:13.119 --> 0:20:14.960 in a Rolls Royce. Luckily, I don't give a fuck, 0:20:15.119 --> 0:20:18.880 but many, many, many people do. This is our society, 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:21.000 you know, we want to show off our wealth. We're 0:20:21.040 --> 0:20:23.680 all a bunch of fucking idiots, and we spend way 0:20:23.720 --> 0:20:27.959 too much money on products that are total bullshit because 0:20:27.960 --> 0:20:31.040 we want to be special. And I know that, and 0:20:31.119 --> 0:20:34.879 I knew that, and I still know it. So Sanctum 0:20:34.960 --> 0:20:37.639 was born out of that, and I just played it 0:20:37.720 --> 0:20:39.919 up and guess what it works. 0:20:51.040 --> 0:20:54.760 So before we talked about how being rich or super 0:20:54.800 --> 0:20:59.040 hot was basically your only way into Sanctum, and this 0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:03.960 created a gen discrepancy at Sanctum. Couples and men paid 0:21:03.960 --> 0:21:06.439 to get in, but single women got in for free. 0:21:07.520 --> 0:21:10.919 This isn't a new idea, Hello, ladies nights. Lots of 0:21:10.960 --> 0:21:13.879 bars and nightclubs charge men at cover while letting women 0:21:13.920 --> 0:21:17.560 in either for cheaper or free. The difference here is 0:21:17.560 --> 0:21:20.080 that instead of men paying twenty bucks for wing night 0:21:20.080 --> 0:21:23.399 at a sports bar at Sanctum, men were paying thousands 0:21:23.400 --> 0:21:26.800 of dollars for a ticket. So the difference is pretty glaring. 0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:32.200 Remember doctor Jeana Rangalova, the NYU Professor of Human Sexuality. 0:21:32.840 --> 0:21:35.560 We talked to her last episode about the potential benefits 0:21:35.560 --> 0:21:39.639 of sex parties for couples. Well In twenty fifteen, doctor 0:21:39.760 --> 0:21:43.880 Jana and sex researcher Brooke Wells surveyed thirteen hundred people 0:21:43.920 --> 0:21:46.439 across the US who had been to a sex party 0:21:46.520 --> 0:21:49.480 in the previous year, and part of what they asked 0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:53.119 participants was how much these parties cost, and there was 0:21:53.160 --> 0:21:56.680 a very wide range from totally free at the low end, 0:21:57.080 --> 0:22:00.000 some even being potlucks like bring your own food or 0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:03.960 or bring your own dog food even interesting. At the 0:22:04.040 --> 0:22:07.400 high end, parties generally cost a few hundred bucks, and 0:22:07.440 --> 0:22:10.960 then there were a select few extremely high end parties 0:22:11.080 --> 0:22:14.960 that cost into the thousands. The sex party survey also 0:22:15.040 --> 0:22:18.679 found that gendered pricing, meaning that men pay more, is 0:22:18.720 --> 0:22:21.120 actually pretty common. So why is that. 0:22:22.800 --> 0:22:27.920 The rationale for having gendered pricing is that there are 0:22:27.920 --> 0:22:31.639 many more single men who are interested and willing to 0:22:31.680 --> 0:22:34.240 go to these sex parties than there are single women. 0:22:34.720 --> 0:22:38.440 Men also generally make more than women do, and it's 0:22:38.440 --> 0:22:42.280 a way to incentivize women to come to these events, 0:22:42.760 --> 0:22:48.000 and it's also to disincentivize to many men being present. 0:22:49.240 --> 0:22:53.040 Basically, hot young women are likely less desperate to sleep 0:22:53.080 --> 0:22:56.119 with random strangers than most middle aged men are. It 0:22:56.240 --> 0:23:01.600 sounds gender essentialist, but like it's true. Seriously, on average, 0:23:01.800 --> 0:23:04.560