WEBVTT - Ep. 67: Grading the Jaguars' 2021 Draft Class | Jags A.M. Podcast 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:20.680 Hello, and welcome to jags Am. I'm Brian Sexton standing 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:23.920 in Kai Stevens spot, JP Shadrick sitting in my spot 0:00:23.960 --> 0:00:27.240 on the couch, and John oser is where he always is. 0:00:27.720 --> 0:00:32.000 Welcome to jags Am. It's the start of a busy 0:00:32.120 --> 0:00:34.640 period here in the off season, so let's get right 0:00:34.680 --> 0:00:37.360 to big things and we'll go with here we go, Jaguars. 0:00:37.560 --> 0:00:39.360 It feels like we're towards the end of the off 0:00:39.360 --> 0:00:43.800 the field period of the off season. Free agency, the 0:00:43.840 --> 0:00:46.800 salary cap, Josh Allen has done. That leaves us with 0:00:47.040 --> 0:00:49.800 just the draft, which comes up a week from Thursday. 0:00:49.880 --> 0:00:52.080 So let me pitch it to you. JP Shadrick first 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:54.400 of all, welcome to the show. How's the off season 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:55.400 gone in your estimation? 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:58.680 Yeah, so far, so good. Right. They checked some boxes 0:00:58.720 --> 0:01:01.800 and free agency that was number one priority. A lot 0:01:01.800 --> 0:01:03.720 of the fans might say, oh, they missed out on 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:07.480 Calvin Ridley. That aside. They got Josh Allen done. That 0:01:07.640 --> 0:01:10.440 was a huge priority for them. So that deal is 0:01:10.800 --> 0:01:12.360 in the books and ready to roll and they can 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:14.479 move forward there and now it's onto the draft and 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:18.160 the offseason programs here as well. So, so far, so 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:18.759 good in my. 0:01:18.840 --> 0:01:21.560 Estimation, John, it seems like most of the questions have 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:22.520 already been answered. 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:25.680 Yeah, I think they've done what they had to do. 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:29.000 You know, they had to fix center, they had to 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:31.880 do some things on the defensive line to get more stout. 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:36.160 It feels like they've done that. How free agency actually works, 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:39.199 we'll see it play out on the field. But they 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:42.080 did as JP said, they checked the boxes. I think 0:01:42.120 --> 0:01:45.760 they've got themselves in a situation where they can almost 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:48.840 draft just for best available player. I think there's a 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:52.000 whole cornerback they need to fill, but I think they 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:54.120 know what they want in the draft of that position. 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:56.400 All right back to the big board for big thing too. 0:01:56.440 --> 0:01:58.200 And that's the lights are on at the midder elector 0:01:58.280 --> 0:02:01.760 at center. Yesterday the player return for the beginning phases 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:05.320 of the off season program. And as guys are walking 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:07.320 in and as you guys are getting ready to talk 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:10.000 to players today and the coach and the general manager 0:02:10.040 --> 0:02:13.120 later this week, what's the number one storyline that you 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:14.519 were interested in following? John? 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:21.160 Uh, Probably, it's probably pretty obvious. It's probably Trevor to me, 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:25.200 all the check boxes stuff, all of the Hey, we 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:29.200 fixed defensive tackle, we did this, We did this. Those 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:34.480 are all minimal improvements. Trevor Lawrence improving his turnovers, improving 0:02:34.520 --> 0:02:39.639 his overall efficiency. UH, taking that next step, all votes 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:42.400 will rise if the big ship rises JP, no. 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:44.480 Doubt about that, and that's where it starts. But for me, 0:02:44.520 --> 0:02:47.160 I think it's the bigger picture. You know, how high 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:49.639 does this team rise with the tide? You know they were, 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:51.400 they were right there on the doorstep and then to 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:53.720 the lapse at the end of the last season. Can 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:57.320 they get past that mentally as a team And we've 0:02:57.360 --> 0:02:59.280 they've proven the last two years there at least a 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:02.920 nine win football team, different results both years obviously, so 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:06.000 what is the next step? And as an organization, how 0:03:06.000 --> 0:03:08.840 do they take that? The quarterbacks the number one reason 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:11.880 why they could take that step, but everything around that 0:03:11.919 --> 0:03:13.800 has to be really in good place as well. 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:15.880 I'm kind of laser focused on the same story I've 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:19.680 had since the end of last season. That's the offensive line. Obviously, 0:03:19.680 --> 0:03:22.359 bringing in Mitch Morse and making sure that they were 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:25.560 solid with Ezra Cleveland at the left guard spot. We'll 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:28.720 see how that plays out both as they get going 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:31.880 on the field in May with OTAs and what they 0:03:31.880 --> 0:03:34.120 decided to do next week in the draft. Brings us 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:36.640 to a question of the draft, and that's the reality 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:38.600 or the perception, however you choose to look at it, 0:03:38.720 --> 0:03:41.040 that the Jaguars must get a wide receiver in the 0:03:41.040 --> 0:03:43.720 first round, that it's paramount that they go grab that 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:47.720 big target and that might mean moving up JP. We're 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:50.360 a Roma Dounze, who seems to be the third of 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:52.200 the big three. So I asked you because I have 0:03:52.240 --> 0:03:54.880 a nineteen year old son who is sold on the 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:59.200 idea they have to have a receiver, even in a 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:03.080 receiver rich draft. As we're told this one is reality 0:04:03.080 --> 0:04:05.520 of perception, receivers the number one priority for this team. 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:09.120 I don't think that's reality. They've got receivers they can 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:11.200 go play right now. I mean if they didn't have 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:13.680 guys to go run on the field in September at 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:17.560 wide receiver, then yeah, you probably need one at this moment. 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:20.880 Do they need one down the line? Most likely considering 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:23.359 the free agency dollars that they've spent at that position. 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:25.440 But I don't think right now is the key and 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:27.760 the way that the college football games played right now, 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:31.560 there are receivers that should be available that are good, talented, 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:35.080 receivers in most every draft in the foreseeable future. So 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:38.080 you know, unless all of a sudden, Marvin Harrison's in 0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:41.080 your lap, I don't think you're trading the farm to 0:04:41.120 --> 0:04:43.880 go up in the draft to go get some wide receiver, 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:46.160 no matter who it is, at least for me at 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:46.560 this point. 0:04:46.839 --> 0:04:48.680 Yeah, I think your little guys can be disappointed. I 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:54.000 mean it's I think it's perception that it's a need. 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:56.440 I think there's a little bit of a narrative that 0:04:57.240 --> 0:04:59.520 because they tried to pay Ridley and I guess they 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:03.039 reported we went after the San Francisco wide receiver. You 0:05:03.080 --> 0:05:07.120 know that they're desperate at that position. I don't feel that. 0:05:07.320 --> 0:05:09.320 I don't think they'll go that route. I don't think 0:05:09.360 --> 0:05:12.480 they think they need to go that route. There's a 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:15.320 belief with this offense. I mean, the Chiefs Eagles when 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:19.160 Peterson was there, can play without a number one as 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:21.719 long as you've got three or four really good options. 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:25.599 They've got that. I think they'll go receiver second or 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:28.839 third round, because, as you said, Brian, it's a deep draft. 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:32.240 I sorry, little man, I think you're gonna be disappointed. 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:35.680 Listen and he'll see this. John and he's gonna go, 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:39.040 what the hell is John's problem? But none of it right, 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:41.719 none of us can really answer that. But just shifted 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:44.360 it back real quick to the idea of how long 0:05:44.400 --> 0:05:47.720 it takes for a receiver, even a top receiver. You know, 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:52.120 if it's Marvin Harrison junior or elite neighbors or Roma Donze, 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:56.240 there's no guarantee, even though they're physically talented and produced 0:05:56.480 --> 0:05:58.960 at the highest levels of college football, that they're going 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:00.640 to be able to come in and be that difference 0:06:00.720 --> 0:06:02.240 maker as a rookie. Job. 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:07.480 Yeah, it happens more now because the game, the college 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:10.600 game is more wide open. It's still a different kind 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:12.480 of passing game than the NFL, but you do see 0:06:12.480 --> 0:06:15.159 it more you started to do with Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase, 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:17.679 guys like that come in and make a huge impact. 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:21.960 But at its core, it's almost a different sport the 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:24.640 NFL than college football. So it's not a guarantee that 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:28.640 guys come in and I contribute right away at the 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:30.880 elite level. Now that being said, I'm going to talk 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:33.400 about both sides of my mouth, where there's a belief 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:36.120 where second and third even fourth round guys this year 0:06:36.440 --> 0:06:38.560 can come in and be a part of something. I 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:40.919 think that's what they need more in anything. The perception 0:06:41.040 --> 0:06:44.640 that they need a one. Look, I don't know that 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:47.200 they need a one. If Christian Kirkins a Jones are 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:50.800 healthy on the field the entire year, or whoever's if 0:06:50.800 --> 0:06:53.279 it's a third round receiver who comes in and takes 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:58.480 one of those guys' spot. If they get eight touchdowns 0:06:59.120 --> 0:07:01.360 seven hundred and fifty yards out of four different guys, 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:03.839 that puts them at the top of the league in passing. 0:07:04.160 --> 0:07:05.920 They think this bunch can get them. 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:08.680 That just one more thought. The Falcons years ago, JP 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:13.480 traded an entire draft essentially to go get Julio Jones, 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:15.840 a guy I know you know from your days at Alabama. 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:18.160 You saw Marvin Harrison this year when you did the 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:22.200 Michigan Ohio State game. Is Marvin Harrison to Julio Jones? 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:24.120 Is he worth that sort of a move up? Not 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:25.880 saying that the Jaguars and the team to do that, 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:27.960 but that anybody might be willing to give up a 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:29.920 host of draft picks to go find. 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:32.680 Him, big, strong and fast. Is he Julio? How many 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:36.360 people are a great question, But if anybody could kind 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:39.600 of follow in those footsteps. It feels like Harrison could 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:42.280 be that guy. Had a huge game of career high 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:46.360 catches against Penn State, including the game ceiling touchdown late 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:47.880 in that one across her and he kind of went 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:50.760 up the sideline and and then of course in the 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:53.800 Michigan game they fell in that game, but he had 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:59.200 some catches in that outing as well. Big, tall, strong, fast, 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:04.960 bloodlines everything you want in Marvin Harrison. So he yeah, 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:07.480 he could be that guy. Somebody makes a move up 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:09.960 to go get if you really feel like you need 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:12.000 a number one type receiver? Is he Julio? 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:13.320 Who is? 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:16.000 But we'll find out maybe ten or fifteen years. 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:18.280 All right, fellas, those are your big things when we 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:20.920 come back. We hear all the time that it takes 0:08:21.080 --> 0:08:26.560 three years to accurately put a grade on a draft class. Well, 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:28.760 it's been three years since the twenty twenty one class, 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:32.840 which was selected by Trent Bulky. So we'll take a 0:08:32.840 --> 0:08:35.000 look at where the Jaguars are with the twenty twenty 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:37.960 one class, the production they've got, their hopes for the future, 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:41.480 and what the twenty twenty one draft class should be 0:08:41.520 --> 0:09:01.200 graded at when we return here on Jags Am move 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:04.640 the freight, move the frame, folks. The good folks at 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:10.520 Magellan invite you to join their team at Magellan Transport Logistics, 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:12.720 which has been voted some of the coolest office space 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:17.800 in town. Visit Magellan dot com and move the freight, 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:20.560 all right, Bryan Sexon back with you, sitting in for 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:24.240 Kay Stevens. JP Shatick is kind enough to join us today. Edward. 0:09:24.600 --> 0:09:26.199 By the way, this is early in the morning, is 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:29.480 it for you? It depends on the day before. 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:32.160 I suppose all those late nights. Where were you last 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:35.720 night at nine to fifteens? It's great, It's nice to 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:36.959 have you. Are you okay with that? 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:38.640 John? What's that having? JPP? 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:40.280 Okay? 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:42.680 So, look, we talk all the time. When the draft 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:45.439 class is selected. Everyone wants to throw a grade on it. 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:48.680 It's clickbait on the different websites, and people want to 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:52.200 be able to make flash judgments. Three years later, though, 0:09:52.200 --> 0:09:54.079 we can take an accurate look I think at the 0:09:54.080 --> 0:09:56.840 twenty twenty one draft class, which is clearly one of 0:09:56.840 --> 0:10:00.199 the biggest in Jaguars history, with Trevor Lawrence at the 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:02.559 very top of it. So let's put a grade on it, right. 0:10:02.640 --> 0:10:04.560 Let me throw these guys out to you, and you 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:08.760 see right there that there are six players from that 0:10:08.880 --> 0:10:14.360 draft class who are either starters or contributors. And obviously, 0:10:14.440 --> 0:10:18.240 Trevor Lawrence has a seventeen and sixteen regular season record 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:20.840 the last two years, has a playoff win and a 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:26.120 playoff loss, fifty nine touchdowns or fifty eight touchdowns, thirty 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:29.280 nine interceptions, and we know that he had turnover issues 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:32.000 last year. And we'll stay in the first round. Travis 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:34.840 Etn back to back thousand yard seasons after missing his 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:38.480 rookie year, seventeen touchdowns and some really big plays. If 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:40.240 that made the biggest play of his career is that 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:42.920 twenty five yard run on fourth down against the Chargers 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:46.760 to set up the game winning field goal. A's on 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:47.840 both of those first picks. 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:53.280 Yeah, I think certainly for Etn, right, I mean, the 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:56.080 way he's played and those big moments he talked about 0:10:56.200 --> 0:10:59.560 and the touchdowns, and he's starting to really feels like 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:02.040 coming to his own as a running back. The Trevor 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:04.640 Lawrence stuff, right, you know, the first year kind of 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:08.640 wash thrown out because of the urban stuff and the 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:11.960 playoff run. Yeah, he was great down the stretch of that, 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:14.360 but he also had four turnovers in the playoff game 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:17.640 and against the Chargers ended up winning the game coming back. 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:21.480 So let's see, let's see what happens this year. I 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:23.160 think you will find out more about the great on 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:26.719 Lawrence this year than you'll even know before, because if 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:30.160 it's not happening this year, then there are some huge questions, 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:32.480 which brings the other question, do you make the deal 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:35.000 now and move get get done with that? Has he 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:39.200 shown you enough? I think it's a B plus for 0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:40.920 Trevor right now. I think he's still. 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:43.680 Got some more approve Yeah. It's it's so hard to 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:49.720 grade number one overall quarterback because if he's not Mahomes 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:52.800 standing there with the trophy, people are like, well he's 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:56.360 a bust. I mean, it's not either of those things. 0:11:57.200 --> 0:12:01.160 I think he's he's still trending, right. I don't want 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:02.520 to not put a grade on it, so I'll go. 0:12:03.080 --> 0:12:06.000 I think B plus is about right. He's certainly not 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:08.320 an F. He's certainly not a D or a C. 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:15.920 So he's getting there. And I think if it wasn't, 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:17.920 you know, you can't do this because he was number 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:20.840 one overall, But if there wasn't so much focus, I 0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:23.160 think people are automatically Oh yeah, a good pick. But 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:26.960 it's it's Trevor, It's it's everything he was supposed to be. 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:30.280 Has he lived up to being the second Coming? Not yet, 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:33.800 but he's not shown that he's not that yet, So 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:34.760 I think B plus is fine. 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:36.240 All right, Well, let's move to the second round. And 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:40.080 I think we learned last year how valuable Tyson Campbell was. 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:43.280 You remember he had the hamstring injury against the Colts 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:46.439 that just seemed to linger into December. But truthfully, I 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:48.560 don't think he looked like himself the rest of the year. 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:52.120 He has been a very productive player for this football team. 0:12:52.120 --> 0:12:54.480 I think he has seven interceptions. 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:56.720 Yeah it feels like that. And he's gotten better with 0:12:56.760 --> 0:12:58.559 the ball in the air. Remember early in his career, 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:01.040 you know, he had troubled down the field and looking 0:13:01.080 --> 0:13:03.600 back losing the ball and then losing the defector and 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:06.480 he's standing in the end zone with the football. So 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:10.040 he's gotten better as the years have gone on. Let's 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:12.000 see it in the system, right, this is supposed to 0:13:12.040 --> 0:13:14.920 be a press, you know, up against the line and 0:13:15.400 --> 0:13:18.199 a lot of contact, bump and run type of system. 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:20.559 Can Tyson do that? I think he has the ability 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:22.800 to do that, and he's been a good player for 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:23.160 this team. 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:23.760 Buss. 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:26.679 Yeah, oh yeah, you asked for a Yeah, I'll give 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:27.120 him a bee. 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:28.800 Okay, I think there's if. 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:31.160 You're gonna be a front line corner, there are some 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:34.080 things that he has not shown to be that top tier, 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:35.880 number one lockdown corner. 0:13:36.160 --> 0:13:41.520 Yeah. I'm gonna say, b With it's so hard because 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:43.800 we're coming off the season. Like you said, it just 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:46.640 feels like a lost season. You had to pick against Indianapolis. 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:50.200 Beyond that, you can't really remember very much that he did. 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:53.600 I've got to believe, based on what we saw from 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:55.559 twenty twenty two that the reason we didn't see much 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:58.679 was the hamster. Yeah, so almost a bee with an 0:13:58.720 --> 0:14:02.520 asterisk if he what he was. He felt really good 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:05.240 about him in twenty twenty two. But coming off a hammy, 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:09.360 you know, you want to see complete, you know, fifteen 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:16.240 out of seventeen games going one hundred percent. So he again, 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:19.280 he's a hard guy to grade for me because I 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:22.120 want to be able to rely on it, and it 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:23.600 feels like be with an incomplete. 0:14:23.600 --> 0:14:25.760 All right, let's stay in the second round. John Walker 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:30.640 Little forty games played, nine starts. He started at left tackle, 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:34.000 he started at right tackle, he started at left guard. 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:36.720 He's been a pretty versatile player. I don't think he's 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:39.680 he's quite reached the level that we thought when we 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:42.280 first came as a rookie, where he looked so athletic 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:45.200 and so powerful. Obviously, he's one of the highest rated 0:14:45.240 --> 0:14:48.040 the recruits coming out of high school when he came out, 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:50.560 and there was a top player at Stanford before getting hurt. 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:52.440 What do you see from him because he's in the 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:53.400 final year of his deal. 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:58.360 Yeah, I thought I'm waffling on this, but if he's 0:14:58.400 --> 0:15:01.160 a third rounder, I feel like it's a beat second rounder. 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:04.200 I feel like it's a C because you've got to 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:10.720 sort of live up to draft potential. He didn't grasp 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:13.560 or didn't grab a hold of that left tackle spot 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:15.800 last year or a starting position, So he's going into 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:19.920 a swing tackle that's valuable for the Jaguars and they're 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:22.800 a better team with Walker little on it and he's 0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:25.800 an asset. But in terms of draft grade, i'd say, 0:15:26.000 --> 0:15:28.600 you know, the minus C plus in there because he 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:30.880 was a second round pick and you sort of think 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:32.200 by year four that should be a. 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:35.040 Start, you know, to be fair, when Cam Robinson got 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:37.400 hurt against the Cowboys at the end of the twenty 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:40.440 twenty two season, Walker Little stepped in and the momentum 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:43.120 didn't stop. He played very well down the stretch and 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:45.440 into the playoffs. So we have seen some really good 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:46.080 football from them. 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:48.480 Joal arguments that he was better than Cam Robinson down 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:51.080 the stretch. I mean, we had Jeff Flaghman and some 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:54.480 of those guys. I'm here saying just that that Walker 0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:58.040 Little's performance was better at that moment. Did it carry over? 0:15:58.120 --> 0:15:59.880 Did he win the job? Did he win the right tackle? 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:00.560 No? 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:02.720 Against Jawan Taylor, did. 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:04.440 He It may have been injuries. There's some injuries to 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:06.480 him last year, so maybe it's not fair to say, 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:08.440 well he wasn't this or that. But but to. 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:12.000 Your point, Cam Robinson was the second round pick, first 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:13.720 pick of the second round. He was a starter right 0:16:13.760 --> 0:16:16.000 away and has not been off the field right second 0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:18.760 round pick should be starters sooner rather than later if 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:22.240 they're not day one, and for whatever the circumstances were 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:25.080 around here, he has not been able to overcome that 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:26.720 and become a day to day starter. 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:29.240 Well, look, my perception is is that the Jaguars have 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:32.280 a hole to fill at left tackle going into the 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:36.520 twenty twenty five season because Cam's deal ends this year 0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:38.960 and Walker's on the final year of his rookie year. 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:41.920 He hasn't had a chance or, as you've mentioned, claimed 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:44.080 that job. So you go, well, look the future set 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:47.040 at left tackle, and I don't know that he can 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:48.560 do that this year because he's not going to be 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:49.880 the starter. John you mentioned he's a swing. 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:51.480 Yeah, I think Anton's gonna go over there at that. 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:51.720 Yeah. 0:16:51.880 --> 0:16:52.480 Yeah. 0:16:52.520 --> 0:16:54.520 By the way, I didn't give you a grede c plus. 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:57.320 Okay, all right, well let's let's go to the third round. 0:16:57.360 --> 0:17:00.920 Andre Cisco. He's the guy who has seven interceptions. I 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:03.760 got that wrong earlier. I think Tyson has three, but 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:06.119 seven interceptions the last two years. He didn't play a 0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:10.280 lot as a rookie and has been an impact player 0:17:10.760 --> 0:17:13.399 for this team back there in the heart of. 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:18.400 The defense, yago be. I mean he's been really really 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:23.440 good at times. Again, a third round pick. You like 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:28.159 the production where he a first round pick, you'd you know, 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:32.240 so for third round pick, very very good, and I 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:34.199 think he's still got some steps to take. I mean, 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:38.000 can see how he transitions to this defense. Uh big 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:40.520 sort of what the book on him was, big play 0:17:40.520 --> 0:17:42.640 guy is gonna make picks, nose for the ball. He's 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:46.720 had that. The entire secondary him included. Had some breakdowns 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:47.760 last year that you didn't like. 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:49.840 He's gotten better at that over the years. Just the 0:17:50.160 --> 0:17:53.239 ball hawking and stuff that was promised has really come 0:17:53.280 --> 0:17:57.040 into fruition. So would you go with B plus B Yeah, 0:17:57.200 --> 0:17:58.880 give me a B minus because I think he can 0:17:58.920 --> 0:18:02.720 be better than these been shown. And that's not a 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:05.040 knock against what he's done. He's done very well, but 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:07.919 I think his ceiling is much higher than and his 0:18:08.000 --> 0:18:11.359 expectations for himself, I think are much higher than you 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:14.320 might realize. So there's a lot left on the table 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:16.520 for Andre Cisco, and I think he can go get. 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:19.000 It all right. The final contributor from the twenty twenty 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:22.679 one Jaguars NFL Draft class is tight end Luke Ferrell. 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:26.359 Twelve starts in three years, but eight of them last year. 0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:28.680 They threw to him a couple of times last year. 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:31.280 He's not a big receiving tight end, but I had 0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:33.280 more than one coach tell me that they thought that 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:37.879 he was a gifted blocking tight end. A guy that 0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:41.840 you could really the equal up or greater than Chris Manhertz, 0:18:42.040 --> 0:18:43.040 who's pretty good around here. 0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:46.040 For a few years, can I go past fail? Yeah, 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:46.920 they pass. 0:18:48.960 --> 0:18:49.960 Fifth round pick. I get it. 0:18:50.119 --> 0:18:53.040 Seven million tight ends and what's the standard for a 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:53.879 blocking tight end? 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:57.400 Yeah, and he's been good. I think when you drafted him, 0:18:57.800 --> 0:19:01.399 there was that little joke where you google them. The 0:19:01.440 --> 0:19:03.840 baseball player Luke Ferrell came up and he had to 0:19:03.880 --> 0:19:07.200 post that this is not me so out of sort 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:12.200 of obscurity. He has carved his way into a big 0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:14.120 role here and I think he'll play in the league 0:19:14.160 --> 0:19:16.199 for ten twelve years. So for a fifth round to 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:21.280 pass a big pass with probably if I was forced 0:19:21.280 --> 0:19:23.760 to give a grade of BB plus, you got to 0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:24.320 light out of pick. 0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:27.200 Yeah. I mean, but you're you're current. It's a curve 0:19:27.320 --> 0:19:28.360 scale because. 0:19:28.040 --> 0:19:29.879 Which thankful the fore you they had in college. 0:19:29.920 --> 0:19:31.879 That's right. I was not a blocking tight end, but 0:19:31.920 --> 0:19:35.840 I felt sometimes so that Yeah, that makes sense to me, right, John, 0:19:36.280 --> 0:19:38.280 You know, he's he has a certain role here. You've 0:19:38.320 --> 0:19:40.160 got other tight ends that are going down the field 0:19:40.240 --> 0:19:43.160 catching balls. Put them stats obviously never had one hundred 0:19:43.160 --> 0:19:46.040 and fourteen catches. I mean that's that's not what he's 0:19:46.080 --> 0:19:49.119 going to be. Maybe in a situation here there he 0:19:49.160 --> 0:19:52.000 gets his hand on the football. I'm with you, John, 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:54.040 it's it's a solid player. 0:19:54.200 --> 0:19:55.480