1 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to jags Am. I'm Brian Sexton standing 2 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:23,920 Speaker 1: in Kai Stevens spot, JP Shadrick sitting in my spot 3 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: on the couch, and John oser is where he always is. 4 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: Welcome to jags Am. It's the start of a busy 5 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: period here in the off season, so let's get right 6 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: to big things and we'll go with here we go, Jaguars. 7 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: It feels like we're towards the end of the off 8 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: the field period of the off season. Free agency, the 9 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: salary cap, Josh Allen has done. That leaves us with 10 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: just the draft, which comes up a week from Thursday. 11 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: So let me pitch it to you. JP Shadrick first 12 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: of all, welcome to the show. How's the off season 13 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: gone in your estimation? 14 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, so far, so good. Right. They checked some boxes 15 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 2: and free agency that was number one priority. A lot 16 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 2: of the fans might say, oh, they missed out on 17 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 2: Calvin Ridley. That aside. They got Josh Allen done. That 18 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 2: was a huge priority for them. So that deal is 19 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 2: in the books and ready to roll and they can 20 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:14,479 Speaker 2: move forward there and now it's onto the draft and 21 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 2: the offseason programs here as well. So, so far, so 22 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:18,759 Speaker 2: good in my. 23 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: Estimation, John, it seems like most of the questions have 24 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: already been answered. 25 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they've done what they had to do. 26 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 3: You know, they had to fix center, they had to 27 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 3: do some things on the defensive line to get more stout. 28 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 3: It feels like they've done that. How free agency actually works, 29 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:39,199 Speaker 3: we'll see it play out on the field. But they 30 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 3: did as JP said, they checked the boxes. I think 31 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 3: they've got themselves in a situation where they can almost 32 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 3: draft just for best available player. I think there's a 33 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 3: whole cornerback they need to fill, but I think they 34 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 3: know what they want in the draft of that position. 35 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: All right back to the big board for big thing too. 36 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: And that's the lights are on at the midder elector 37 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: at center. Yesterday the player return for the beginning phases 38 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: of the off season program. And as guys are walking 39 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: in and as you guys are getting ready to talk 40 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: to players today and the coach and the general manager 41 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: later this week, what's the number one storyline that you 42 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:14,519 Speaker 1: were interested in following? John? 43 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 3: Uh, Probably, it's probably pretty obvious. It's probably Trevor to me, 44 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 3: all the check boxes stuff, all of the Hey, we 45 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 3: fixed defensive tackle, we did this, We did this. Those 46 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 3: are all minimal improvements. Trevor Lawrence improving his turnovers, improving 47 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:39,639 Speaker 3: his overall efficiency. UH, taking that next step, all votes 48 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 3: will rise if the big ship rises JP, no. 49 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 2: Doubt about that, and that's where it starts. But for me, 50 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 2: I think it's the bigger picture. You know, how high 51 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:49,639 Speaker 2: does this team rise with the tide? You know they were, 52 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 2: they were right there on the doorstep and then to 53 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 2: the lapse at the end of the last season. Can 54 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 2: they get past that mentally as a team And we've 55 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 2: they've proven the last two years there at least a 56 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,920 Speaker 2: nine win football team, different results both years obviously, so 57 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 2: what is the next step? And as an organization, how 58 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 2: do they take that? The quarterbacks the number one reason 59 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 2: why they could take that step, but everything around that 60 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 2: has to be really in good place as well. 61 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: I'm kind of laser focused on the same story I've 62 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: had since the end of last season. That's the offensive line. Obviously, 63 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 1: bringing in Mitch Morse and making sure that they were 64 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: solid with Ezra Cleveland at the left guard spot. We'll 65 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: see how that plays out both as they get going 66 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: on the field in May with OTAs and what they 67 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: decided to do next week in the draft. Brings us 68 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: to a question of the draft, and that's the reality 69 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: or the perception, however you choose to look at it, 70 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: that the Jaguars must get a wide receiver in the 71 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: first round, that it's paramount that they go grab that 72 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: big target and that might mean moving up JP. We're 73 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: a Roma Dounze, who seems to be the third of 74 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: the big three. So I asked you because I have 75 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: a nineteen year old son who is sold on the 76 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: idea they have to have a receiver, even in a 77 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: receiver rich draft. As we're told this one is reality 78 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: of perception, receivers the number one priority for this team. 79 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 2: I don't think that's reality. They've got receivers they can 80 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 2: go play right now. I mean if they didn't have 81 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 2: guys to go run on the field in September at 82 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 2: wide receiver, then yeah, you probably need one at this moment. 83 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 2: Do they need one down the line? Most likely considering 84 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:23,359 Speaker 2: the free agency dollars that they've spent at that position. 85 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 2: But I don't think right now is the key and 86 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 2: the way that the college football games played right now, 87 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 2: there are receivers that should be available that are good, talented, 88 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 2: receivers in most every draft in the foreseeable future. So 89 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 2: you know, unless all of a sudden, Marvin Harrison's in 90 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 2: your lap, I don't think you're trading the farm to 91 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 2: go up in the draft to go get some wide receiver, 92 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 2: no matter who it is, at least for me at 93 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 2: this point. 94 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think your little guys can be disappointed. I 95 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 3: mean it's I think it's perception that it's a need. 96 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 3: I think there's a little bit of a narrative that 97 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 3: because they tried to pay Ridley and I guess they 98 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 3: reported we went after the San Francisco wide receiver. You 99 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 3: know that they're desperate at that position. I don't feel that. 100 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 3: I don't think they'll go that route. I don't think 101 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 3: they think they need to go that route. There's a 102 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 3: belief with this offense. I mean, the Chiefs Eagles when 103 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 3: Peterson was there, can play without a number one as 104 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 3: long as you've got three or four really good options. 105 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 3: They've got that. I think they'll go receiver second or 106 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 3: third round, because, as you said, Brian, it's a deep draft. 107 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 3: I sorry, little man, I think you're gonna be disappointed. 108 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: Listen and he'll see this. John and he's gonna go, 109 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 1: what the hell is John's problem? But none of it right, 110 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 1: none of us can really answer that. But just shifted 111 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: it back real quick to the idea of how long 112 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 1: it takes for a receiver, even a top receiver. You know, 113 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: if it's Marvin Harrison junior or elite neighbors or Roma Donze, 114 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: there's no guarantee, even though they're physically talented and produced 115 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: at the highest levels of college football, that they're going 116 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: to be able to come in and be that difference 117 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: maker as a rookie. Job. 118 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, it happens more now because the game, the college 119 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 3: game is more wide open. It's still a different kind 120 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 3: of passing game than the NFL, but you do see 121 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 3: it more you started to do with Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase, 122 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:17,679 Speaker 3: guys like that come in and make a huge impact. 123 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 3: But at its core, it's almost a different sport the 124 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 3: NFL than college football. So it's not a guarantee that 125 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 3: guys come in and I contribute right away at the 126 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 3: elite level. Now that being said, I'm going to talk 127 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 3: about both sides of my mouth, where there's a belief 128 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 3: where second and third even fourth round guys this year 129 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 3: can come in and be a part of something. I 130 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:40,919 Speaker 3: think that's what they need more in anything. The perception 131 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 3: that they need a one. Look, I don't know that 132 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 3: they need a one. If Christian Kirkins a Jones are 133 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 3: healthy on the field the entire year, or whoever's if 134 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 3: it's a third round receiver who comes in and takes 135 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 3: one of those guys' spot. If they get eight touchdowns 136 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 3: seven hundred and fifty yards out of four different guys, 137 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 3: that puts them at the top of the league in passing. 138 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 3: They think this bunch can get them. 139 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: That just one more thought. The Falcons years ago, JP 140 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: traded an entire draft essentially to go get Julio Jones, 141 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: a guy I know you know from your days at Alabama. 142 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: You saw Marvin Harrison this year when you did the 143 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: Michigan Ohio State game. Is Marvin Harrison to Julio Jones? 144 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: Is he worth that sort of a move up? Not 145 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: saying that the Jaguars and the team to do that, 146 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: but that anybody might be willing to give up a 147 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: host of draft picks to go find. 148 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 2: Him, big, strong and fast. Is he Julio? How many 149 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 2: people are a great question, But if anybody could kind 150 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 2: of follow in those footsteps. It feels like Harrison could 151 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 2: be that guy. Had a huge game of career high 152 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 2: catches against Penn State, including the game ceiling touchdown late 153 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 2: in that one across her and he kind of went 154 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 2: up the sideline and and then of course in the 155 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 2: Michigan game they fell in that game, but he had 156 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 2: some catches in that outing as well. Big, tall, strong, fast, 157 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 2: bloodlines everything you want in Marvin Harrison. So he yeah, 158 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 2: he could be that guy. Somebody makes a move up 159 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 2: to go get if you really feel like you need 160 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 2: a number one type receiver? Is he Julio? 161 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: Who is? 162 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 2: But we'll find out maybe ten or fifteen years. 163 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: All right, fellas, those are your big things when we 164 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: come back. We hear all the time that it takes 165 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: three years to accurately put a grade on a draft class. Well, 166 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: it's been three years since the twenty twenty one class, 167 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: which was selected by Trent Bulky. So we'll take a 168 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: look at where the Jaguars are with the twenty twenty 169 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 1: one class, the production they've got, their hopes for the future, 170 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: and what the twenty twenty one draft class should be 171 00:08:41,520 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: graded at when we return here on Jags Am move 172 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: the freight, move the frame, folks. The good folks at 173 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: Magellan invite you to join their team at Magellan Transport Logistics, 174 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: which has been voted some of the coolest office space 175 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: in town. Visit Magellan dot com and move the freight, 176 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 1: all right, Bryan Sexon back with you, sitting in for 177 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: Kay Stevens. JP Shatick is kind enough to join us today. Edward. 178 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:26,199 Speaker 2: By the way, this is early in the morning, is 179 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 2: it for you? It depends on the day before. 180 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: I suppose all those late nights. Where were you last 181 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: night at nine to fifteens? It's great, It's nice to 182 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:36,959 Speaker 1: have you. Are you okay with that? 183 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 3: John? What's that having? JPP? 184 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 2: Okay? 185 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 1: So, look, we talk all the time. When the draft 186 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,439 Speaker 1: class is selected. Everyone wants to throw a grade on it. 187 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 1: It's clickbait on the different websites, and people want to 188 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 1: be able to make flash judgments. Three years later, though, 189 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 1: we can take an accurate look I think at the 190 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one draft class, which is clearly one of 191 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:00,199 Speaker 1: the biggest in Jaguars history, with Trevor Lawrence at the 192 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:02,559 Speaker 1: very top of it. So let's put a grade on it, right. 193 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 1: Let me throw these guys out to you, and you 194 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: see right there that there are six players from that 195 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: draft class who are either starters or contributors. And obviously, 196 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence has a seventeen and sixteen regular season record 197 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 1: the last two years, has a playoff win and a 198 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: playoff loss, fifty nine touchdowns or fifty eight touchdowns, thirty 199 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: nine interceptions, and we know that he had turnover issues 200 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 1: last year. And we'll stay in the first round. Travis 201 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: Etn back to back thousand yard seasons after missing his 202 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: rookie year, seventeen touchdowns and some really big plays. If 203 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: that made the biggest play of his career is that 204 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: twenty five yard run on fourth down against the Chargers 205 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: to set up the game winning field goal. A's on 206 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 1: both of those first picks. 207 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think certainly for Etn, right, I mean, the 208 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 2: way he's played and those big moments he talked about 209 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 2: and the touchdowns, and he's starting to really feels like 210 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 2: coming to his own as a running back. The Trevor 211 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 2: Lawrence stuff, right, you know, the first year kind of 212 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 2: wash thrown out because of the urban stuff and the 213 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 2: playoff run. Yeah, he was great down the stretch of that, 214 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 2: but he also had four turnovers in the playoff game 215 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 2: and against the Chargers ended up winning the game coming back. 216 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 2: So let's see, let's see what happens this year. I 217 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 2: think you will find out more about the great on 218 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,719 Speaker 2: Lawrence this year than you'll even know before, because if 219 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 2: it's not happening this year, then there are some huge questions, 220 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 2: which brings the other question, do you make the deal 221 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 2: now and move get get done with that? Has he 222 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 2: shown you enough? I think it's a B plus for 223 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 2: Trevor right now. I think he's still. 224 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 3: Got some more approve Yeah. It's it's so hard to 225 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 3: grade number one overall quarterback because if he's not Mahomes 226 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 3: standing there with the trophy, people are like, well he's 227 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 3: a bust. I mean, it's not either of those things. 228 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 3: I think he's he's still trending, right. I don't want 229 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 3: to not put a grade on it, so I'll go. 230 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 3: I think B plus is about right. He's certainly not 231 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 3: an F. He's certainly not a D or a C. 232 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 3: So he's getting there. And I think if it wasn't, 233 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 3: you know, you can't do this because he was number 234 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 3: one overall, But if there wasn't so much focus, I 235 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 3: think people are automatically Oh yeah, a good pick. But 236 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 3: it's it's Trevor, It's it's everything he was supposed to be. 237 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 3: Has he lived up to being the second Coming? Not yet, 238 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 3: but he's not shown that he's not that yet, So 239 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 3: I think B plus is fine. 240 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: All right, Well, let's move to the second round. And 241 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 1: I think we learned last year how valuable Tyson Campbell was. 242 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: You remember he had the hamstring injury against the Colts 243 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:46,439 Speaker 1: that just seemed to linger into December. But truthfully, I 244 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 1: don't think he looked like himself the rest of the year. 245 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: He has been a very productive player for this football team. 246 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: I think he has seven interceptions. 247 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 2: Yeah it feels like that. And he's gotten better with 248 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:58,559 Speaker 2: the ball in the air. Remember early in his career, 249 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 2: you know, he had troubled down the field and looking 250 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 2: back losing the ball and then losing the defector and 251 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 2: he's standing in the end zone with the football. So 252 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 2: he's gotten better as the years have gone on. Let's 253 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 2: see it in the system, right, this is supposed to 254 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 2: be a press, you know, up against the line and 255 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:18,199 Speaker 2: a lot of contact, bump and run type of system. 256 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:20,559 Speaker 2: Can Tyson do that? I think he has the ability 257 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 2: to do that, and he's been a good player for 258 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 2: this team. 259 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: Buss. 260 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, you asked for a Yeah, I'll give 261 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 2: him a bee. 262 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: Okay, I think there's if. 263 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 2: You're gonna be a front line corner, there are some 264 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 2: things that he has not shown to be that top tier, 265 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 2: number one lockdown corner. 266 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. I'm gonna say, b With it's so hard because 267 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 3: we're coming off the season. Like you said, it just 268 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 3: feels like a lost season. You had to pick against Indianapolis. 269 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 3: Beyond that, you can't really remember very much that he did. 270 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 3: I've got to believe, based on what we saw from 271 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:55,559 Speaker 3: twenty twenty two that the reason we didn't see much 272 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 3: was the hamster. Yeah, so almost a bee with an 273 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 3: asterisk if he what he was. He felt really good 274 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 3: about him in twenty twenty two. But coming off a hammy, 275 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 3: you know, you want to see complete, you know, fifteen 276 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 3: out of seventeen games going one hundred percent. So he again, 277 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 3: he's a hard guy to grade for me because I 278 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 3: want to be able to rely on it, and it 279 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 3: feels like be with an incomplete. 280 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: All right, let's stay in the second round. John Walker 281 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: Little forty games played, nine starts. He started at left tackle, 282 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: he started at right tackle, he started at left guard. 283 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: He's been a pretty versatile player. I don't think he's 284 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: he's quite reached the level that we thought when we 285 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: first came as a rookie, where he looked so athletic 286 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: and so powerful. Obviously, he's one of the highest rated 287 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: the recruits coming out of high school when he came out, 288 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: and there was a top player at Stanford before getting hurt. 289 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: What do you see from him because he's in the 290 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: final year of his deal. 291 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought I'm waffling on this, but if he's 292 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 3: a third rounder, I feel like it's a beat second rounder. 293 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 3: I feel like it's a C because you've got to 294 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 3: sort of live up to draft potential. He didn't grasp 295 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 3: or didn't grab a hold of that left tackle spot 296 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 3: last year or a starting position, So he's going into 297 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 3: a swing tackle that's valuable for the Jaguars and they're 298 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 3: a better team with Walker little on it and he's 299 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 3: an asset. But in terms of draft grade, i'd say, 300 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 3: you know, the minus C plus in there because he 301 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 3: was a second round pick and you sort of think 302 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 3: by year four that should be a. 303 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: Start, you know, to be fair, when Cam Robinson got 304 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: hurt against the Cowboys at the end of the twenty 305 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: twenty two season, Walker Little stepped in and the momentum 306 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: didn't stop. He played very well down the stretch and 307 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: into the playoffs. So we have seen some really good 308 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: football from them. 309 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 2: Joal arguments that he was better than Cam Robinson down 310 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 2: the stretch. I mean, we had Jeff Flaghman and some 311 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 2: of those guys. I'm here saying just that that Walker 312 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 2: Little's performance was better at that moment. Did it carry over? 313 00:15:58,120 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 2: Did he win the job? Did he win the right tackle? 314 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: No? 315 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 2: Against Jawan Taylor, did. 316 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 3: He It may have been injuries. There's some injuries to 317 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 3: him last year, so maybe it's not fair to say, 318 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 3: well he wasn't this or that. But but to. 319 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 2: Your point, Cam Robinson was the second round pick, first 320 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 2: pick of the second round. He was a starter right 321 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 2: away and has not been off the field right second 322 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 2: round pick should be starters sooner rather than later if 323 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 2: they're not day one, and for whatever the circumstances were 324 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 2: around here, he has not been able to overcome that 325 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 2: and become a day to day starter. 326 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 1: Well, look, my perception is is that the Jaguars have 327 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: a hole to fill at left tackle going into the 328 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five season because Cam's deal ends this year 329 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: and Walker's on the final year of his rookie year. 330 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: He hasn't had a chance or, as you've mentioned, claimed 331 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: that job. So you go, well, look the future set 332 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: at left tackle, and I don't know that he can 333 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: do that this year because he's not going to be 334 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: the starter. John you mentioned he's a swing. 335 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Anton's gonna go over there at that. 336 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. 337 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. 338 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 2: By the way, I didn't give you a grede c plus. 339 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, well let's let's go to the third round. 340 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: Andre Cisco. He's the guy who has seven interceptions. I 341 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: got that wrong earlier. I think Tyson has three, but 342 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 1: seven interceptions the last two years. He didn't play a 343 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: lot as a rookie and has been an impact player 344 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 1: for this team back there in the heart of. 345 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:18,400 Speaker 3: The defense, yago be. I mean he's been really really 346 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 3: good at times. Again, a third round pick. You like 347 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 3: the production where he a first round pick, you'd you know, 348 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 3: so for third round pick, very very good, and I 349 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:34,199 Speaker 3: think he's still got some steps to take. I mean, 350 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 3: can see how he transitions to this defense. Uh big 351 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 3: sort of what the book on him was, big play 352 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:42,640 Speaker 3: guy is gonna make picks, nose for the ball. He's 353 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 3: had that. The entire secondary him included. Had some breakdowns 354 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 3: last year that you didn't like. 355 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 2: He's gotten better at that over the years. Just the 356 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:53,239 Speaker 2: ball hawking and stuff that was promised has really come 357 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 2: into fruition. So would you go with B plus B Yeah, 358 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:58,880 Speaker 2: give me a B minus because I think he can 359 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 2: be better than these been shown. And that's not a 360 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 2: knock against what he's done. He's done very well, but 361 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:07,919 Speaker 2: I think his ceiling is much higher than and his 362 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 2: expectations for himself, I think are much higher than you 363 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 2: might realize. So there's a lot left on the table 364 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 2: for Andre Cisco, and I think he can go get. 365 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: It all right. The final contributor from the twenty twenty 366 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:22,679 Speaker 1: one Jaguars NFL Draft class is tight end Luke Ferrell. 367 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 1: Twelve starts in three years, but eight of them last year. 368 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 1: They threw to him a couple of times last year. 369 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: He's not a big receiving tight end, but I had 370 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 1: more than one coach tell me that they thought that 371 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 1: he was a gifted blocking tight end. A guy that 372 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: you could really the equal up or greater than Chris Manhertz, 373 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: who's pretty good around here. 374 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 3: For a few years, can I go past fail? Yeah, 375 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 3: they pass. 376 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: Fifth round pick. I get it. 377 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 2: Seven million tight ends and what's the standard for a 378 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 2: blocking tight end? 379 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:57,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's been good. I think when you drafted him, 380 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 3: there was that little joke where you google them. The 381 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 3: baseball player Luke Ferrell came up and he had to 382 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 3: post that this is not me so out of sort 383 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 3: of obscurity. He has carved his way into a big 384 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 3: role here and I think he'll play in the league 385 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,199 Speaker 3: for ten twelve years. So for a fifth round to 386 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 3: pass a big pass with probably if I was forced 387 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 3: to give a grade of BB plus, you got to 388 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 3: light out of pick. 389 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, but you're you're current. It's a curve 390 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:28,360 Speaker 2: scale because. 391 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 3: Which thankful the fore you they had in college. 392 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 2: That's right. I was not a blocking tight end, but 393 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 2: I felt sometimes so that Yeah, that makes sense to me, right, John, 394 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 2: You know, he's he has a certain role here. You've 395 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:40,160 Speaker 2: got other tight ends that are going down the field 396 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 2: catching balls. Put them stats obviously never had one hundred 397 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 2: and fourteen catches. I mean that's that's not what he's 398 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:49,119 Speaker 2: going to be. Maybe in a situation here there he 399 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 2: gets his hand on the football. I'm with you, John, 400 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 2: it's it's a solid player. 401 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 3: He's gonna play in the league a long time. 402 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. 403 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 3: So fifth round pick if you're going to play ten years, 404 00:19:58,640 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 3: A lot of fifth round picks are out of lee. 405 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: So there's six starters contributors from the draft class. 406 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 3: J T. 407 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: Feley the defensive tackle from sc IS in Cincinnati, Jordan 408 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: Smith the pass rusher out of the game, Jayalen Camp, 409 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: the wide receiver out of the game. So how about 410 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 1: an overall grade on a draft class with five starters 411 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 1: and its significant contributor in Luke Ferrell, I'd say b. 412 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 3: I mean, it maybe hard to give an A because 413 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 3: you don't have beyond what Trevor won Pro Bowl. You 414 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 3: don't have like huge, you know, the face of the 415 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 3: league guy yet. But it also is a class that 416 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 3: clearly helped pull you out of the abyss and set 417 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 3: the tone for two back to back winning seasons. So 418 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 3: it's certainly not a bad class. And how Trevor. If 419 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 3: Trevor's Trevor, it's an A. 420 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 4: If everybody else is a bus Yeah, It's a B 421 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 4: for me, and it can improve to an A if 422 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 4: some of these guys get to their next deal and 423 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 4: stick around and you know, prove that they can be 424 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 4: cornerstone players for this organization. 425 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 2: So be with room to grow. 426 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, if they win a super Bowl while he's here, Andy, 427 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 3: Trevor's in the Hall of Fame, it's the greatest draft 428 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 3: in his plus plus plus it all will be ultimately, 429 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 3: you know this is great in ten years, it'll be 430 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:22,880 Speaker 3: graded on him. 431 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: With that to be said, I'll go with a B 432 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: plus because you did get five starters and a guy here, 433 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: and we hadn't seen productive drafts like that in a 434 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,439 Speaker 1: long time, So lean that way. Also, I guess the 435 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 1: optimism I have for who Trevor Lawrence is going to 436 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,880 Speaker 1: be in his fourth season pushes me in that direction. 437 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 1: But that's it. After three years, we can take a 438 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: look at it, and I think that's a fair way 439 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 1: to grade it. 440 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:46,919 Speaker 2: Were the twenty class, No, okay, okay, just make it. 441 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,880 Speaker 1: Sure, no, no, all right. When we come back, we'll 442 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: turn to this year's draft, the twenty twenty four class. 443 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,439 Speaker 1: We'll look a little bit at the defensive line and 444 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 1: some prospects and probabilities of what the Jaguars could be 445 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: looking at. That's next on jags Am. Jaguars fans here 446 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,919 Speaker 1: up at fanatics dot com with all the latest Jaguars styles. 447 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 1: Shop now and get today's special offer. Fanatics dot Com 448 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,640 Speaker 1: officially licensed everything and welcome back to jag z Am. 449 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 1: From the Hundai studios inside the Miller Electric Center in Jacksonville, 450 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:25,199 Speaker 1: Brian John JP joining us today, we turn our attention 451 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 1: to the twenty twenty four NFL Draft. We talked receiver, 452 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: We've talked cornerback, We've talked offensive line ad nauseum. But 453 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: on the heels of the Josh Allen signing late last week, 454 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 1: I thought maybe we'd take a look at the defensive line. 455 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: But before we get started looking at names, how probable 456 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 1: do you think it is that the Jaguars could spend 457 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 1: a first round pick on someone in their front seven 458 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 1: on defense. 459 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 3: If the draft board in the first round forces it, 460 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 3: I think it could happen. I don't know that they're 461 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 3: going in with that at the top of their priority list. 462 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: Eric Arms, that obviously changed that, Yeah. 463 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 3: And obviously it did. You still want to draft with 464 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 3: a five year plan. I'm not sure Eric's a five 465 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 3: year plan at this point in his career. I hope 466 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 3: he is. So if there's a guy there who you 467 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 3: think is dominant, who is a big time player, it's 468 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaker 3: more palpable to draft that on the defensive line sometimes 469 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 3: in the offensive line, meaning you rotate so much on 470 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 3: the defensive line you can get production even if he's 471 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 3: not a quote starter, so you can lean that way. 472 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 3: I'd be surprised if that's the pick. It's not a 473 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 3: there's a couple of tackles in the first round. It's 474 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 3: not a great class for it. So the couple of 475 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:52,439 Speaker 3: guys maybe off the board and not makes sense. But philosophically, 476 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 3: no problem with it, because you're never going to go 477 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 3: wrong if you draft a really, really good interior defensive line. 478 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 2: That's about the front seven. Yeah, that includes linebackers, and 479 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 2: they've dge rushers. They've drafted linebackers so many linebackers around 480 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 2: here in the last two years. I don't think you 481 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 2: go that high with the linement. Maybe I'm wrong, but 482 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 2: and you've got the edge rushers. They're set in place 483 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 2: for a long time to come. I don't think it's there. 484 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 2: If it's anything, it's an interior d lineman, but I 485 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 2: think percentage chance pretty low. I mean, considering all the 486 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 2: other things that they could use more quickly than that. 487 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,360 Speaker 1: Well, at seventeen it seems to be the sweet spot. 488 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: There will be a couple of cornerbacks around that area 489 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 1: as well as offensive linemen. But just for argument's sake, 490 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: let's take a look at the edge rushers. Because what 491 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 1: if a guy like Jared Verse falls to you, right, 492 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 1: you can never have enough pass rush. We always go 493 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 1: back to the Giants and feeding the undefeated Patriots in 494 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 1: January of two thousand and eight, and Jared versus a 495 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 1: guy it's hard to kind of figure out where he 496 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 1: falls in this equation, but hyper productive at Florida State 497 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 1: for the last couple of years. 498 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 2: I think he tested pretty well too, John. I remember 499 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 2: right at the combine and really showed up there, which 500 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 2: was a lot of people who were looking for that 501 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:02,679 Speaker 2: workout and really flat pretty well. But a good, solid player, 502 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 2: and we'll see what the future holds. Reverse. 503 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 3: Look, it's the same philosophy that I just discussed. If 504 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 3: you draft him, if you think he's a disruptive force 505 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 3: and is going to be a five or six year 506 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 3: front line big time players say five or six hitsies 507 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,159 Speaker 3: with the contract lines up, then there's nothing wrong with 508 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 3: the pick because you're in nickel more than you are 509 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 3: anything else. You're in pass rest situations. You can find 510 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 3: a place to move Trayvon Walker. If you think that 511 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 3: Josh Allen and a rookie can have impact, you can 512 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 3: move guys around this league and impact the quarterbacks. So 513 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 3: if this is the best player on the board at seventeen, 514 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 3: there's always a strong argument for if you have best 515 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 3: pass rusher and best cornerback on the board and they're 516 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 3: graded equally. I'm a guy who says take the pass 517 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 3: rusher because that guy can disrupt every play. A cornerback 518 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 3: affects one only affects it if you throw at him. 519 00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 1: It doesn't seem logical because last year you had Travel 520 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 1: and Josh combined for twenty seven and a half sacks, 521 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,120 Speaker 1: which was the most by a duo in the NFL 522 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 1: last year. 523 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 3: You can be great if you're dominant up front exactly. 524 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 1: So let's turn our attention to the defensive tackles because 525 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 1: there are a couple in particular Byron Murphy, Johnny Newton 526 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: from Illinois, Chris Jenkins from Michigan, who's a guy I 527 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: know you saw when you were doing some college football 528 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 1: last year. It's probable that all three of these guys 529 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: are sitting there at seventeen. You don't need it. So 530 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 1: this might be a spot if this is the best 531 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 1: player on the board, that you're backing up right, kind 532 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: of like the Jaguars did last year where they back 533 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 1: out of twenty four and made themselves available all the 534 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 1: way at twenty seven to grab the guy they really wanted. 535 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, so much of this is it's hard for us 536 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 3: to predict this because we don't know. If Trent Balky 537 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 3: and the brain trust looks at Byron Murphy and said 538 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,199 Speaker 3: this is Aaron Donald, then who cares. 539 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't matter if you take it. 540 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 3: What you have on the roster. So, not knowing their 541 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 3: passions on certain players, and with. 542 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: Ryan Nielsen in his first year as the defensive coordinator, 543 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: it's hard to project. 544 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:12,199 Speaker 3: So again it's such a cop out. But if this 545 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,160 Speaker 3: guy's great, take him because he's going to disrupt the game. 546 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 3: I don't think that's the route they go because I 547 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 3: think I think cornerback is such a glaring need that 548 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 3: it makes sense. But there's nothing wrong with him or 549 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 3: new JP. 550 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 2: No, what's Devon Hamilton's health status? Yeah, I think that 551 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 2: might have a little. 552 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:36,920 Speaker 1: Bit serious issues to deal with last year. 553 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,400 Speaker 2: Right as he passed those. You know, he was trying 554 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 2: to get back later in the season last year, but 555 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 2: it was it was so dramatic and such a big 556 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 2: injury for him. So is he right? And I think 557 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,360 Speaker 2: that might tell you a whole lot about what they 558 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 2: think about this position. 559 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 3: Moving ahead, Oh, Reclus, they have Armstead can move around 560 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 3: to us, So there's so many moving parts. It's always 561 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 3: hard these days. Are any the same problem at safety? 562 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,959 Speaker 3: Sometimes two in linebacker? We're used to talking about terms 563 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,160 Speaker 3: from the nineteen nineties. Everybody's in so many sub packages 564 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 3: now and everybody moves around so much. You know, it's 565 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 3: okay to have guys who can move around on the 566 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 3: front of your defensive line, and they have the versatility 567 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,679 Speaker 3: to do that. So sliding one more guy in there 568 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 3: can make an impact might make sense. 569 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,400 Speaker 1: If they do nothing on the defensive line next week 570 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 1: during the draft, are they still in a great spot 571 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 1: for next year? Are they in a good spot next 572 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: year or do you think they will have missed an opportunity. 573 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 2: I think they're in a great spot next year with 574 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 2: all the guys they have they've they've signed. They've got 575 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 2: Josh Allen, They've got Treyvon Walker who can move around. 576 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 2: They've got Roy Robertson Harris, They've got Devon Hamilton if 577 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 2: he's fully healthy. They've got all these pieces that they've 578 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 2: had in free agency, in the draft collectively together in 579 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 2: the front four, front five, whatever combination you want to 580 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 2: use of that. I think they're in a great spot, 581 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 2: at least for next year. Now, two three years down 582 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 2: the line, there's always questions, but for next season, this 583 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 2: should be one of the top defensive lines in the AFC. 584 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 3: I think they're in a great spot. You remember when 585 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 3: you used to have like good Christmases, didn't quite get 586 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 3: the present you wanted. Jared Verse, a guy like that, 587 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 3: add one more pass rusher to a really good group 588 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 3: could be like when your dad left the bike outside. 589 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 2: What's in the corner in the corner. 590 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, So I could see fans out there right now 591 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 3: going though, I really want one more pass rusher. I 592 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 3: can see Trent Balky not saying it to me, but boy, 593 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 3: I really would love to have that impact. So very 594 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 3: very good there one more guy can make them dominant 595 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 3: if it's an impact rookie. 596 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 1: Which is why we had the conversation, even though it 597 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: doesn't seem likely for the Jaguars to address the defensive line, 598 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 1: at least not in the first round. All right, we'll 599 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 1: come back and wrap up this edition of jags Am 600 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 1: from the Hundai Studios inside the middle of Electric Center. 601 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:16,719 Speaker 1: A good this, all right, back to wrap it up 602 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: here on a Tuesday jags a m from the Hyundai Studios. 603 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,479 Speaker 1: I mentioned the nineteen year old who wanted to talk 604 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: receiver yesterday. He also wanted to talk about the promo 605 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 1: for the new uniforms, well, the old uniforms, the throwbacks 606 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: that appear to be returning this year, as I hide 607 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 1: you guys out hype. 608 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's cool, right, I mean, they're cool. The throwback 609 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 2: is fun, and we'll see what the full thing looks like. 610 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 2: I mean, we only saw the logo, the full cat logo. 611 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: That was called when it first came out. I remember 612 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: the press conference it was called the Prowler, the pro 613 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 1: the Prowler, right, and they put it on the sleeves. 614 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 1: Now I've seen the mock ups. I think there's one 615 00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 1: with Trevor A photos deal of Trevor wearing it. It's cool, Okay, 616 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 1: it'd be fun. 617 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 3: Look, it's not something that I'm overly passionate about. Yeah, 618 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 3: but fans are fired up for Yeah, they are so 619 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 3: good for them. 620 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 2: You know what would make it look a whole lot 621 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 2: better if they won that game. They could wear polka dots. 622 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 2: I don't care as long as they win. 623 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 1: The game always comes back to the bottom line. 624 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 2: No offensive polka dots. 625 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: All right, Thanks for jumping into this. 626 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 2: Great to see. 627 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 1: We'll hear from some players today, the coach and the 628 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: general manager. We'll talk on Thursday, and I'm sure you'll 629 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: cover all of that on Jaguars Happy. 630 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 2: We'll have it on of course. Huddle Up is the 631 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 2: name of the podcast Wednesday. 632 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 3: That's right with Bucky Brooks. 633 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 2: I've heard of him, so we got that and of 634 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 2: course Happy Hour Thursday. 635 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 1: Right. Much more ahead here, it's kind of getting to 636 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 1: be a busy week. In the next week. I'm headed 637 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: for Detroit, so to this show. We'll be live on 638 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 1: Wednesday from Detroit and from the Hyundai studios, so we'll 639 00:31:54,520 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 1: see you then. Thanks for joining us on Jags Am