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Speaker 2: Michel Pirot, nightclub owner, promised to make revelations about Julian
Speaker 2: Melissa's kidnappings, murdered shortly afterwards in a parking lot. Jean
Speaker 2: Paul Tamigneaux, acquaintance of de True active in Charlewaugh Carr
Speaker 2: theft ring, told a friend he'd received important information about
Speaker 2: the kidnappings. Disappeared shortly afterwards in nineteen ninety five. His
Speaker 2: severed foot was found a year later in a river.
Speaker 2: The rest of the body was never recovered. Bruno taglia Ferro,
Speaker 2: acquaintance of the True active in Charlewaiugh car theft ring wife,
Speaker 2: said he was asked to get rid of the car
Speaker 2: used to kidnap U Melissa and that he feared for
Speaker 2: his life. Died under mysterious circumstances. Body was exhumed on
Speaker 2: order of Judge Conrad for testing posthumous autopsy. Death declared
Speaker 2: as murdered by poisoning. Fabien jo Bards, wife of Bruno
Speaker 2: taglia Ferro, claimed to have found important documents related to
Speaker 2: her husband's murder. Burned to death in a bed soaked
Speaker 2: in methanol. Declared a suicide. Ghi Gobel Gendarmes and Garsolonna,
Speaker 2: one of the very few gendarmes to obtain the confidence
Speaker 2: of the parents of Julian Melissa, found dead with a
Speaker 2: bullet in his head the day Operation Othello started. Declared
Speaker 2: a suicide. These are just five of the over twenty
Speaker 2: mysterious deaths surrounding the the true affair, and additional reasons
Speaker 2: why many believe there are still powerful people involved who've
Speaker 2: never been brought to justice.
Speaker 3: Champsychopats is somebody who understood emotions, and I told them
Speaker 3: it is very exceptional that somebody abducts two children at
Speaker 3: the same time.
Speaker 4: Should have been the end of it in nineteen eighty six,
Speaker 4: but my god, it was just a beginning.
Speaker 5: I think Belgium was a paralyzed for perverts in those days.
Speaker 2: Welcome to la monstre. I'm your host. Matt Graves, after
Speaker 2: an investigation plagued by incompetence and cover ups, and a
Speaker 2: trial where the judge purposely avoided elements pointing to a
Speaker 2: larger conspiracy mark. The true was sentenced to life without parole,
Speaker 2: Michelle Martin to thirty years, l Lievre to twenty five years,
Speaker 2: and Michelle Nihul only got five years for criminal association
Speaker 2: and drug trafficking. The trial of the century was over,
Speaker 2: but the country would never be the same. The Gendarmerie
Speaker 2: was discontinued as an institution and Belgian law enforcement was
Speaker 2: completely restructured as a direct result of this affair, basically
Speaker 2: the equivalent of shutting down the FBI in the United States.
Speaker 2: If you can imagine that several ministers, police officers, and
Speaker 2: magistrates either resigned, were fired, or quit their jobs, and
Speaker 2: millions of Belgians felt their country had covered up or
Speaker 2: even participated in the worst crimes imaginable. The aftermath of
Speaker 2: the trial would provide little opportunity for healing, as the
Speaker 2: judicial system would continue to fail the victims and their families.
Speaker 2: Michel n Whoul, after serving just a third of his
Speaker 2: sentence for drug trafficking, was paroled in two thousand and five.
Speaker 2: In twenty twelve, Michen Martin was given early release as well,
Speaker 2: paroled after just serving sixteen years of a thirty year sentence.
Speaker 2: Although the conditions of her parole were strict, the public
Speaker 2: was outraged, again, taking to the streets and protest. The victims'
Speaker 2: families were also stunned about her early release. The father
Speaker 2: of Anne, Paul.
Speaker 6: Marschall, thirty year for me was thirty years. It was
Speaker 6: very difficult to accept. But now I have to accept
Speaker 6: sixteen years, so you can imagine what I am feeling.
Speaker 7: Michelle Martin says that after years of psychiatric help, she
Speaker 7: is free of Mark d' true's influence. The crimes the
Speaker 7: pair committed made this country question itself and it is
Speaker 7: questioning itself again now as she enjoys freedom. Emma Murphy
Speaker 7: ITV News, Brussels.
Speaker 2: In twenty nineteen, Michel Lalieva was released from prison despite
Speaker 2: appeals from victims families and a protest in Brussels dubbed
Speaker 2: the Black March. He served twenty three of his twenty
Speaker 2: five year sentence. After his release, he moved to a
Speaker 2: neighborhood in Brussels, where it didn't take long for him
Speaker 2: to get recognized. According to reports, he was beaten up
Speaker 2: by a group of neighborhood kids. When Michele Martin was
Speaker 2: released in twenty twelve, the terms were that she would
Speaker 2: be confined to the Clarisse Convent in Malonne, near Namur
Speaker 2: in the south of Belgium. After serving ten years under
Speaker 2: strict supervision, she would be eligible for full release with
Speaker 2: no conditions. Just over a month ago, as the first
Speaker 2: episodes of La Monceau were published, Michele Martin was released
Speaker 2: from the monastery with all conditions lifted. She is a
Speaker 2: completely free woman today. Jean Lambreck's the father of Eefia,
Speaker 2: said quote, it's clear that she's guilty of much more
Speaker 2: than what the official and public version wants us to believe.
Speaker 2: She actively participated in several rapes by drugging the victims.
Speaker 2: She had a serious rap sheet before she even committed
Speaker 2: these crimes, yet she was still released early. This situation
Speaker 2: is very depressing. Unquote. Mark the True, still serving a
Speaker 2: life sentence, applied for conditional release in twenty twelve. It
Speaker 2: was rejected, but in twenty thirteen he appealed the decision.
Speaker 2: His mother, who hadn't been heard from since the trial,
Speaker 2: spoke up again, saying quote Mark is not ready to
Speaker 2: be released because he's still trying to blame others for
Speaker 2: what he did. I'm certain that he will start again.
Speaker 2: He has no sense of reality. He's a repeat offender
Speaker 2: in his soul, as he's already proven throughout his life unquote.
Speaker 2: Shortly after her statement, the tru's appeal was rejected. In
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, he again applied for conditional release, which required
Speaker 2: an examination by a psychiatrists. When the psychiatric report concluded
Speaker 2: that the True remained dangerous and had a psychopathic profile,
Speaker 2: his lawyer, Bruno Dallier dropped the parole request, saying quote,
Speaker 2: I must postpone my plans because proposing a credible reclassification
Speaker 2: plan with this diagnosis, I really don't see who will accept.
Speaker 2: Dallier also made it clear that he would not give
Speaker 2: up on his efforts to free the True, as I
Speaker 2: continued to investigate the loose ends of the de True affair.
Speaker 2: The decades long saga has reached the present day and
Speaker 2: were now breaking new ground. A listener of La Monstre
Speaker 2: in Switzerland reached out to tell me about a woman
Speaker 2: named Annika Lucas who shared her experiences with child sex
Speaker 2: trafficking in Belgium in a book published just a few
Speaker 2: months ago. I was able to interview her when she
Speaker 2: came to Europe recently. Annika explained to me that she
Speaker 2: left Belgium in the nineteen eighties to go to the
Speaker 2: United States to escape a child trafficking network. She claims
Speaker 2: that this network involved Michel Nihoul. I've been able to
Speaker 2: confirm some parts of her story. I know that she's
Speaker 2: indeed from Belgium, and that she was certainly sexually abused
Speaker 2: as a child, and that she escaped to America, where
Speaker 2: she's been living since the nineteen eighties.
Speaker 8: Yes, I was born in Belgium, in Brussels, and my
Speaker 8: mother was single, and when I was three she married
Speaker 8: someone in Flanders. Now she abused me from childhood. I
Speaker 8: started first with the and her husband, who had been
Speaker 8: taking me on little outings.
Speaker 4: There were always other children there.
Speaker 8: They took me the first time into what was an orgy,
Speaker 8: and that was a horrific experience. I was also that
Speaker 8: same night very graphically threatened to make sure I would
Speaker 8: never speak up.
Speaker 2: I wanted to speak to Anika because she claims to
Speaker 2: have direct experience with Michelle, who way back in the
Speaker 2: nineteen seventies.
Speaker 4: The boss of the network.
Speaker 8: He gifted me to an international networker and that man
Speaker 8: ended up taking an interest in me and taking me
Speaker 8: with him to train me. So I was nine years
Speaker 8: old when this happened, and taken him to different places
Speaker 8: in on the East Coast in the United States to
Speaker 8: learn about that world. That year s nineteen seventy two,
Speaker 8: taken to different places, especially Germany. But still even though
Speaker 8: I was gone the entire summer of nineteen seventy two,
Speaker 8: I still would come back and go to school.
Speaker 4: I was from then on used in the.
Speaker 8: Network by Belgian network, mostly for the VIP guests that
Speaker 8: would come from then on. So nineteen seventy two to
Speaker 8: nineteen seventy four, when I was rescued by someone from
Speaker 8: the inside, it was really a last minute decision on
Speaker 8: his part.
Speaker 4: It wasn't meant to happen.
Speaker 8: I was in fact taken away to be tortured. That
Speaker 8: the torture was led by the person I knew as
Speaker 8: the middleman for a lot of the orgies, someone who
Speaker 8: was very happy, the brown nose with the VIPs the network, Michelle,
Speaker 8: who was in charge.
Speaker 4: I was given to him. He was the middleman, so
Speaker 4: he was rather new.
Speaker 8: He probably I started seeing him maybe nineteen seventy two,
Speaker 8: nineteen seventy three. Around then he started showing up, but
Speaker 8: very quickly he became sort of indispensable as the middleman
Speaker 8: that he dealt with the pimps. He dealt with the
Speaker 8: parents sometimes if they were pimps, he dealt with the children.
Speaker 8: He arranged everything for the VIPs.
Speaker 4: He had no qualms.
Speaker 8: I got by, tried to survive a little bit by
Speaker 8: connecting to the human inside and the man, well not
Speaker 8: not with me whole.
Speaker 4: It wasn't possible. It was not that there's no human there,
Speaker 4: but it was. He was so.
Speaker 8: Flat and his jokes were beyond cruel, you know, they
Speaker 8: were so empty. But oh about the w h most
Speaker 8: horrific things imaginable, So no way to get through.
Speaker 4: I couldn't get through to him, to have him as
Speaker 4: a person.
Speaker 6: Was he also involved in the abuse.
Speaker 8: So I saw him more like a business person, arranging
Speaker 8: everything until.
Speaker 4: For punishment the who has me.
Speaker 8: I'm the one who's being punished, But other children are
Speaker 8: there as well, and so he is basically terrorizing us
Speaker 8: children beyond the imaginable, in order to make sure that
Speaker 8: we will never ask the clients and quotes anything the
Speaker 8: perpetrators that we will never express any need of our own,
Speaker 8: that we will just be there and just shut up
Speaker 8: and just do what, you know, what we're meant to
Speaker 8: do for them.
Speaker 2: In nineteen seventy three, ni who would have been thirty
Speaker 2: two years old, Anika described a horrifying experience that she
Speaker 2: says she suffered at his hands. What you're about to
Speaker 2: hear is extremely disturbing.
Speaker 8: And Nihu grabbed my arm like that and twisted it,
Speaker 8: and then he put a cigarette out on my arm,
Speaker 8: which is this scar right here. And I want to
Speaker 8: show you because when you see it like this, it's
Speaker 8: circular because he had my arm like that. But when
Speaker 8: you stretch the arm out, as you can see, it's not.
Speaker 8: It's a line stretches out. I was taken away into
Speaker 8: a separate little room, a secret room, I think, and tortured,
Speaker 8: and four I think four children who were also like
Speaker 8: myself in this network were taken.
Speaker 4: Also and had to torture me.
Speaker 8: So I was laid out and strapped down, and then
Speaker 8: he who forced those children to torture me with various
Speaker 8: There was a crate underneath this very large butcher's block
Speaker 8: very old underneath was it like a crate, an apple
Speaker 8: crate or something which which had various you know, he
Speaker 8: gave a fish hook to one child, he gave a
Speaker 8: screwdriver to another child, he gave a penknife to another child.
Speaker 8: He gave well various things along during the time that
Speaker 8: I was there, and you know, forced them to to
Speaker 8: torture me, but clearly they did not want to do yes,
Speaker 8: and he of course participated.
Speaker 4: He of course was doing it too.
Speaker 8: And I understand that people don't believe me, and I
Speaker 8: don't take well. I understand it because I think that
Speaker 8: if you allow this in, it's going to challenge your
Speaker 8: worldview potentially very strongly. You're going to say the world
Speaker 8: is absolutely not what I thought it was, and you
Speaker 8: may sink into despair or a depression from allowing this
Speaker 8: reality in. So ultimately people have to do their own
Speaker 8: work in order to accept that.
Speaker 4: This is true and it is not.
Speaker 8: It may seem really hopeless when you allow it in,
Speaker 8: but it really is for the betterment of humanity to
Speaker 8: go through that phase yourself and to allow that pain in.
Speaker 2: Anaka's point about allowing this reality into one's worldview resonates
Speaker 2: with me. Facing the reality of child's sex abuse is
Speaker 2: so horrific and disturbing that most of us tend to
Speaker 2: just block it out of our thought plane. However, it
Speaker 2: happens every single day, and ignoring it only helps to
Speaker 2: perpetuate this awful perversion. Michelle Nihull's name has continued to
Speaker 2: pop up over and over again in this affair from
Speaker 2: several different accusers. To dig deeper, I spoke with one
Speaker 2: of the key journalists who initially investigated his possible involvement
Speaker 2: with Regina Loof and the other ex witnesses, Marie Jeanne
Speaker 2: van Hayswick.
Speaker 9: We realized quite quickly that Nil was involved with a
Speaker 9: lot of fraud before he was arrested in ninety six.
Speaker 9: It was a big surprise that he had never been
Speaker 9: judged for the cases in the eighties. It wasn't until
Speaker 9: he was arrested in ninety six that he was actually
Speaker 9: convicted for these past fraud cases.
Speaker 2: When who was arrested in nineteen ninety six under suspicion
Speaker 2: of involvement with the Truth crimes, it was discovered that
Speaker 2: he had been investigated for a fraud case in nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty nine, but that charges had never been brought.
Speaker 9: Some people said, why is it that Nil has stopped
Speaker 9: being judged in those cases? That's very strange. So we
Speaker 9: discovered but later that the judge for those cases was
Speaker 9: Jean Marchvanespin. Is this the explanation because we discover later
Speaker 9: that the Jean Marchvanespin has a lot of things with
Speaker 9: n Michelle Hue and his ex wife. Abut the sister
Speaker 9: of the judge is the godmother of Niel's son. That's
Speaker 9: very strange. The cases had been placed at the bottom
Speaker 9: of a trower and inure by Judge van Aspin. If
Speaker 9: he had not been arrested, Nil would never be judged
Speaker 9: for those case.
Speaker 2: Marie Jeanne is pointing out that the judge van Espin
Speaker 2: was in a difficult position from the start, as it
Speaker 2: could appear that he didn't pursue charges that should have
Speaker 2: already been brought against Mihul for fraud. This is the
Speaker 2: same judge who was originally responsible for the infamous Champaignner
Speaker 2: cold case. So when Regina Loof's interrogation pointed investigators back
Speaker 2: to this case, it went back to Judge van Espin,
Speaker 2: who quickly moved to try to shut it down. The
Speaker 2: ex gendarme Amy Bill, who was taken off of the
Speaker 2: Regina Loof case, still insists to this day that Judge
Speaker 2: Van Espen closed them down to protect Michelle Nihul.
Speaker 9: So when the case of the Champaigner was open again,
Speaker 9: Sean McVan spent so immediately that new and BUTI were
Speaker 9: named by Regina Luche And I suppose he was in
Speaker 9: danger because if those links were discovered by the the gendarme,
Speaker 9: why didn't he tell those things sooner? So I think
Speaker 9: it was difficult for him to admit. I published a
Speaker 9: paper who proved that he was the lawyer of Anibouti
Speaker 9: in the year eighty three, and a few days later
Speaker 9: he decided to resign.
Speaker 2: I was able to track down the award winning journalist
Speaker 2: Alanka Frankiel, who made a documentary about Belgium's X files
Speaker 2: for the BBC and wrote incisively about the affair in
Speaker 2: the Guardian newspaper. During her reporting, she actually met with
Speaker 2: me who interviewed him well.
Speaker 3: I initially was sent over just after nine to eleven
Speaker 3: to have a look into this bizarre story. Then the
Speaker 3: BBC decided to commission the film, so one needed to
Speaker 3: be very very careful not to get distracted from the
Speaker 3: main core of the story, which was to determine whether
Speaker 3: it was true as the authorities claimed that Dutrue was
Speaker 3: acting alone, or whether he was part of a network
Speaker 3: which was being protected or covered up by those authorities.
Speaker 3: And pretty early on the evidence brought me to the
Speaker 3: associates of Dutrue, which included Weinstein, who by then I
Speaker 3: think was dead, Liliev, who I think by then at
Speaker 3: that time was.
Speaker 4: In jail, and.
Speaker 3: Michelle Nihoul, who was regarded as possibly the fixer and
Speaker 3: the person who had commissioned to true to kidnap girls
Speaker 3: for others to use. So we interviewed various survivors and victims,
Speaker 3: one of whom mentioned Nihul. He'd been in trouble for
Speaker 3: various crimes. He'd spent some time in jail, but when
Speaker 3: I invited him us to meet me, it took a while,
Speaker 3: as far as I remember, but he agreed and we
Speaker 3: met in a restaurant and he walked in on crutches.
Speaker 3: He'd had some kind of I think medical treatment. He
Speaker 3: was a smallish, fat man, rather sweaty, but very enthusiastic
Speaker 3: to meet me and my team, my producer, and he
Speaker 3: bustled in and wrought I am the monster of Belgium.
Speaker 3: It was a kind of a joke, I think he thought,
Speaker 3: and he was sort of enjoying the fact that we
Speaker 3: had sought him because of that, that he was the
Speaker 3: monster of Belgium. He was quite happy to say that,
Speaker 3: of course, he denied any involvement in the crimes, but
Speaker 3: he also said that he didn't think he would ever
Speaker 3: come to court, no jury would ever be asked to
Speaker 3: decide whether he was guilty or innocent, because he claimed
Speaker 3: that if that happened, he would name names, and too
Speaker 3: many important people would be exposed, so that the entire
Speaker 3: establishment in Belgium would ensure that he was never brought
Speaker 3: to trial. After he'd told me all this, I had
Speaker 3: asked whether he would consider doing an interview with us
Speaker 3: on camera, and he started to sort of be a
Speaker 3: bit playful and flirtatious and started to tickle me and
Speaker 3: started to push me over, and I've suddenly found myself
Speaker 3: sort of struggling to stay upright because he was pretty
Speaker 3: well on top of me in the booth in the
Speaker 3: restaurant where we were, and I had to push him off.
Speaker 3: I had to appeal to my colleague to help me
Speaker 3: get him off me, and that once they'd done that,
Speaker 3: he announced that, yes, you were doing an interview, but
Speaker 3: for one thousand pounds I think it was, and I
Speaker 3: had to decline because we don't pay for interviews, and
Speaker 3: to be honest, I was pretty pleased to say goodbye.
Speaker 3: I think one of the most confusing aspects of this
Speaker 3: film and this story was that there was a lot
Speaker 3: of circumstantial evidence, a lot of horror, a lot of
Speaker 3: emotion attached to the events that had taken place, not
Speaker 3: just the killing of the young children or the killing
Speaker 3: of the older girls, the discovery of the two girls
Speaker 3: who were discovered alive, but also the number of people
Speaker 3: somehow circulating around this story who met their deaths very
Speaker 3: early in a mysterious way. I think, whether nine or
Speaker 3: ten people. And of course it's a very difficult thing.
Speaker 3: You can't prove those links. But it felt extremely suspicious
Speaker 3: that so many people associated with the case were being
Speaker 3: wiped out. So wherever you went, nothing squared. But the
Speaker 3: problem with it was that there was a lot that
Speaker 3: was inconclusive, and therefore, when you obviously finish filming after
Speaker 3: your time is up and you don't have an open
Speaker 3: and shutcase. It's quite frustrating, and it's interesting that all
Speaker 3: these years later, this case is still in a sense unresolved.
Speaker 2: There's another interesting detail again, linking Nicoll with a horrifying
Speaker 2: champignonair case from the eighties. It's something almost no one
Speaker 2: knows about, even people with deep knowledge of the case.
Speaker 2: After the gruesome murder of Christine Vanez, police found letters
Speaker 2: she had exchanged with a man named Pascal la Marque,
Speaker 2: who she'd met on a train shortly before her murder.
Speaker 2: Marie Jeanne explains Pascal.
Speaker 9: La Marque is another strange character in the entourage of
Speaker 9: Christine Vanis, the victim of the murder of the Champignie.
Speaker 9: It seems that they met on the train. It was
Speaker 9: in the fall of eighty three, a few months before
Speaker 9: Christine's death. At that time, Lamarque was under a conviction
Speaker 9: that sent him to prison. So it changes a dozen
Speaker 9: letters they only met one time.
Speaker 2: It seems much attention was paid to these letters between
Speaker 2: Christine and Pascal Lamarque because he was a known criminal
Speaker 2: with a long rap sheet. In the letters, Christine writes
Speaker 2: about having a difficult time and that she was going
Speaker 2: to leave and change her life, and she wrote, quote,
Speaker 2: I beg you please don't ask me where I'm going,
Speaker 2: why I'm going, and why I won't be able to
Speaker 2: write you anymore unquote. Pascal Lamarque was in prison at
Speaker 2: the time she was murdered, so he was ruled out
Speaker 2: as a suspect.
Speaker 9: But what do we discover then? Pascal Lamarck was in
Speaker 9: fact a relation of Michelle Nioul. His name appears in
Speaker 9: a confidential Belgian state security document which exposes the connections
Speaker 9: of Michelle Newell and Anibouti. And the criminal record of
Speaker 9: Pascal lamarch is the longest of all the people mentioned
Speaker 9: in this list. Eleven conviction for theft with violence, rape
Speaker 9: of miners and so on. So we had some exchange
Speaker 9: with Pascal Lamarck in the the years ninety eight, and
Speaker 9: he said, of course, he said he has nothing to
Speaker 9: do with Christine's death. He was in prison, and he
Speaker 9: said he remembered maybe Christine matt Nihull in the radio
Speaker 9: radioactivity where new work at the time.
Speaker 2: Altho only who evaded justice for his presumed role in
Speaker 2: the True Affair and other sex trafficking accusations. I would
Speaker 2: have liked to question him directly about all this, but
Speaker 2: unfortunately he died in twenty nineteen of natural causes at
Speaker 2: the age of seventy eight years old. Examining Nihul's possible
Speaker 2: involvement with this affair is nonetheless still important because, as
Speaker 2: I've said many times by now, he represents a potential
Speaker 2: link to a wider network. If the testimonies of Regina
Speaker 2: aloof Ana Calucas and several other ex witnesses are true,
Speaker 2: he was a mid level broker in something much larger.
Speaker 2: Although a larger cover up and conspiracy may never be proven,
Speaker 2: there are definitely lower level accomplices that have never been
Speaker 2: brought to justice. The balding man in his fifties who
Speaker 2: participated with Detrue in the rape of the university student
Speaker 2: from Brussels back in the nineteen eighties. The mystery surrounding
Speaker 2: the driver of the Redford Fiesta and the owner of
Speaker 2: the Hotel Brazil who vanished and hasn't been seen in decades.
Speaker 2: After researching and reporting on this case for over two
Speaker 2: two years, like many other people who studied this affair,
Speaker 2: I simply cannot accept the official narrative. Where there's smoke,
Speaker 2: there's fire, and there's way too much smoke surrounding this
Speaker 2: affair to chalk it up to police and competence and
Speaker 2: a large group of witnesses all supposedly lying about similar things.
Speaker 2: On the season finale of La Monstre, I'll dig into
Speaker 2: what can still be done as we make efforts to
Speaker 2: tie up loose ends.
Speaker 5: So in the two case, there is a police report
Speaker 5: stating the fact that twenty six unknown DNA profiles were established, and.
Speaker 2: I'll travel from Belgium to Brazil to Germany to track
Speaker 2: down a suspect who didn't want to be found explicate
Speaker 2: I guess.
Speaker 3: Bob Malon.
Speaker 2: Le Monstra is a production of Tenderfoot TV and iHeart Radio,
Speaker 2: hosted and executive produced by me Matt Graves, produced by
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