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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of IHEARTRADI.

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Nol.

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Speaker 3: They call me Ben.

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Speaker 4: We are joined as always with our super producer Dylan

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Speaker 4: the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you are here. That

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Speaker 4: makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. Folks,

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Speaker 4: if you are hearing this the evening this program publishes,

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Speaker 4: we cannot wait to welcome you to Thursday, December twenty six,

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty four. It's the day after Christmas Day. For

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Speaker 4: any celebrants in the crowd, and for anybody who is

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Speaker 4: a little bit of a Grench, we hope you had

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Speaker 4: a moment where your heart grew three times larger. This

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Speaker 4: is one of our favorite things we do, especially here

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Speaker 4: toward the end of the human calendar year. We share

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Speaker 4: messages from the most important part of the show. You,

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Speaker 4: our fellow conspiracy realists. We're gonna hear from some shepherds

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Speaker 4: in Europe. We are going to hear some responses to

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Speaker 4: the DHL incidents earlier, and we're also gonna we're gonna

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Speaker 4: hear some responses to this big Chicken episode that we're

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Speaker 4: working on before we do any of that. Guys, is

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Speaker 4: this the last listener mail program that we're going to

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Speaker 4: record or the last one that publishes in twenty twenty four?

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Speaker 4: Do we have another one?

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Speaker 3: Think?

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Speaker 5: So?

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Speaker 3: I think this is the one?

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Speaker 4: This is it?

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Speaker 3: All?

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Speaker 4: Right? Right on? Well, do we have any message that

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Speaker 4: we'd like to get give just overall to our fellow

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Speaker 4: supporters of the show and conspiracy realist.

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Speaker 3: Any New Year's resolutions? I don't really do that anymore.

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Speaker 6: Nah, you guys are great, Ben says, you guys are

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Speaker 6: the best part of the show. Always so quick with

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Speaker 6: an amazing insider perspective on something that we've talked about,

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Speaker 6: as we will hear today, and just in general, it's

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Speaker 6: very good natured and kind people. So thank you for

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Speaker 6: your continued supports and contribution to the show.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for your service.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I'll just say, if you look around, stuff out

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Speaker 2: here seems pretty messed up. Stuff out here seems troubling

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Speaker 2: a lot of the time, but I think you might

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Speaker 2: find that a lot of it is stuff that isn't

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Speaker 2: going to affect you necessarily that much. And I know

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Speaker 2: for me personally, it causes a lot of internal anxiety

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Speaker 2: thinking about the world and all of its operations and

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Speaker 2: machinations and stuff that seems aimed against me and people

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Speaker 2: just say, in this time, do your best to focus

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Speaker 2: on the awesome stuff that's happening right around you, because

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Speaker 2: it's super cool, and often it seems kind of small

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Speaker 2: But the little things, the little awesome things, are worth

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Speaker 4: Well said, and I think that I hope that's a

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Speaker 4: message we can all agree with. To further dovetail on that, folks,

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Speaker 4: it's the end of the year, often a time of

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Speaker 4: introspection and retrospection. Please please do remember the calendar is

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Speaker 4: practiced now. The Gregorian calendar is a human creation. You

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Speaker 4: don't need a specific time of the year to be

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Speaker 4: helpful and affectionate to yourself. You also don't need it,

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Speaker 4: perhaps more importantly, you don't need a specific day to

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Speaker 4: be helpful and considerate of other people. Because we can

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Speaker 4: tell you the old masters, the old quotes were right

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Speaker 4: everybody is fighting a battle of their own, so let

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Speaker 4: us be kind. And with that, we're going to pause

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Speaker 4: for a word from our sponsors. We cannot wait to

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Speaker 4: share with you a letter that called all of our interests.

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Speaker 4: Noel especially gave us some opinions right on big chickens.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a Here a word from our sponsor. I

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Speaker 3: will get right to it.

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Speaker 6: All right, let's jump right into our first listener mail

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Speaker 6: of the day from Chickennado. It's a great name. We've

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Speaker 6: heard from Chickenado before. Pertaining to the big Chicken conspiracy,

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Speaker 6: Ben mentioned there is definitely an episode of foot so

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Speaker 6: that you should be a claw. Now that's a foot.

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Speaker 6: They call them chicken feed, don't they. Would you guys

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Speaker 6: ever eat a chicken foot? Yeah, I'm sure you have been, Yeah,

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Speaker 6: pretty often. No one don't care to get good watch

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Speaker 4: But it's right, it's good. It depends on how it's prepared.

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Speaker 4: There's a great uh. There are a couple of great

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Speaker 4: They do chicken feet right, Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I just you know, as as I've made very clear

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Speaker 6: and part of that pertains to their creepy claws and

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Speaker 6: but chicken atou is the aforementioned kind of inside industry

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Speaker 6: perspective in the world of chicken farming. And I'm just

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Speaker 6: pertaining to our discussion of chicken farming. Hi, it's me

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Speaker 6: Chickenato again. I am just finally listening into your listener

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Speaker 6: mail from December second. First off, you mentioned maybe doing

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Speaker 6: an episode on Big Chicken. Yes for supported by Chickenado,

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Speaker 6: and feel free to reach out for info or any

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Speaker 6: help fact checking. Absolutely Now for some correction slash information

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Speaker 6: on why the commercial chicken industry is the way that

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Speaker 6: it is. They use a broiler, which refers to a

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Speaker 6: fast growing meat chicken colloquially known as a Cornish cross.

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Speaker 6: The Cornish cross originates from cross breeding a Cornish game

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Speaker 6: you look at Cornish game birds, you'll notice they are

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Speaker 6: very chunky, fat birds and are called double breaston.

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Speaker 3: Like I see.

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Speaker 6: Meanwhile, Rhode Island whites grow very quickly. The hybrid combine

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Speaker 6: the double breasted gene with the quick growth rate for

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Speaker 6: a big, fast growing bird. Now the historic Cornish cross

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Speaker 3: That's too big. It does seem a little big.

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Speaker 6: Now that that's out of the way, Chickenato goes on

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Speaker 6: for some quick stats on the broiler industry. Cornish cross

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Speaker 6: have to be harvested anywhere from seven to nine weeks

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Speaker 3: Or heat stroke.

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Speaker 6: Does sound good, large fast growth has a cost. Even

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Speaker 6: when given the option to move around a lot, they

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Speaker 6: This can actually reduce the quality of the meat because

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Speaker 6: they get scalded on the bottoms from laying in the

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So to mitigate this they encourage them to move

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Speaker 6: The reason that they use artificial lighting is that chickens

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Speaker 2: Ah, that is the worst raise what conversion to meetsions?

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Speaker 6: It's definitely a stat for sure. Many operations have moved

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Speaker 4: A little bit of a feedback loop on that one,

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Speaker 3: I could see that for sure.

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Speaker 6: And you know, we do know that antibiotic resistant bacterias

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Speaker 2: Right, Think about the genius guys of using oregano to

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Speaker 2: improve immune function. Your your broiler chickens come pre seasoned.

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Speaker 6: Moving on though, with Chickenato's letter left off on the

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Speaker 6: antibiotic resistant bacteria concerns. Instead, some of them use herbal

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Speaker 6: remedies to your point, Matt, such as oregano to improve

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Speaker 6: immune function, which has been researched and tested through various

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Speaker 6: hormone free. As for encouraging farmers to use a slower

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Speaker 6: cease to use these monsters. Right and again, no no

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Speaker 6: slower growing broiler, it's not feasible. The chicken farmers often

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Speaker 6: whichever of the big three meat processing companies they are

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Speaker 6: contracted to to use very special proprietary feeders, waters, and

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Speaker 6: also the birds themselves. The farmers honestly don't really own anything.

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Speaker 6: bit more than break even on this year's crop of birds.

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Speaker 6: They don't get to set the prices. It's pretty bleak

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Speaker 6: family operations sometimes still choose to use a cornish cross

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Speaker 6: fresh grayze. All of the problems except for the scalding

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Speaker 6: for optimal feeds to meet ratios. But they're not as

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Speaker 6: big of a table bird as a Cornish cross, which

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Speaker 6: lot of people. And just to really quickly pick that apart,

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Speaker 6: like meet off of a Cornish cross, it's about wow factor.

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Speaker 6: It's about look at that big fat bird. It might

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Speaker 4: Go to a crosstumble breasted a million percent.

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Speaker 2: The concept of I can feed my whole family with

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Speaker 6: Yes, no, thank you. I may be getting caught up

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Speaker 6: in the wow factor of it all, but you're right.

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Speaker 6: It's absolutely a subsistence functional thing where it's like why.

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Speaker 7: Hey you guys, this is Dirty D the modifications to

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Speaker 5: Love what you guys do.

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Speaker 2: Thank you WHOA Okay, Okay, this is first of all

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Speaker 4: So when you get the RFP, as Uncle Sam the

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, see, if you can use this in conversation

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Speaker 2: this week, Automatic Parachute rip Chord Release. It's just fun

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Speaker 5: Hey guys, come, it's a Phantom Flyer. I'm just listening

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Speaker 2: Well, guys, I don't know anything about it. And I

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Speaker 2: went over to a form on infiniteflight dot com. Yeah,

438
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Speaker 2: and was just trying to figure out what the heck

439
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Speaker 2: it meant. I'm going to read something like this is

440
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Speaker 2: a form. I'm sorry. This is where I'm at right

441
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Speaker 2: now looking at this. This is from Akim's Underscore Aviation.

442
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Speaker 2: The glide slope or glide path is in the most

443
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Speaker 2: basic explanation, the angle of descent to the runway. They

444
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Speaker 2: provide a picture basically showing you the way the lines

445
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Speaker 2: move forward from your perspective as the pilot as you're

446
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Speaker 2: coming in. And this is another piece of information that

447
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Speaker 2: I didn't know. Says, you know those red and white

448
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:07,679
Speaker 2: lights beside the runway, Well, those are called PAPI lights

449
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Speaker 2: or Precision Approach Lighting System.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 4: No, I like Poppy.

452
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Speaker 2: They're Poppy lights and they help to guide you in

453
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Speaker 2: the runway and it shows how it works. But I

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Speaker 2: still don't fully understand being under or over the glide's

455
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Speaker 2: slope as you approach as a you know, if you're

456
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Speaker 2: piloting a flight, there are quite a few other things

457
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Speaker 2: to look up, like if you look at glide path

458
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Speaker 2: and this is coming from Wikipedia, sorry, guys. Wikipedia will

459
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Speaker 2: tell you that glide path and glide slope are essentially

460
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Speaker 2: the same thing. And this is a quotation that comes

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Speaker 2: from ITU Radio regulations. It says, the glide slope or

462
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Speaker 2: glide path is quote a system of vertical guidance embodied

463
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Speaker 2: in the instrument landing system, which indicates the vertical deviation

464
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Speaker 2: of the aircraft from its optimum path of descent. So

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Speaker 2: that would mean the PA knows the optimum path of

466
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Speaker 2: descent to get your plane exactly where it needs to

467
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Speaker 2: go to land on that runway just perfect. Like, but

468
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Speaker 2: if you are under or over that angle, it's going

469
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Speaker 2: to let you know.

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Speaker 4: You'll have an indicator that says, you know, your two

471
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Speaker 4: blips too far up, two blips too far down, both

472
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Speaker 4: of which are kind of bad. But I think two

473
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Speaker 4: blips too far down is the worst one.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and Phantom flyer, I wish you were here

475
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Speaker 2: to just tell us, like actually explain this to us.

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Speaker 5: So that I.

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Speaker 2: Personally, I'm doing everything I can to try and understand

478
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Speaker 2: it and then explain it. But it is important to

479
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Speaker 2: note we've talked about this before. One of the major

480
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Speaker 2: issues Boeing had with their new Max planes was it

481
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Speaker 2: was a piece of instrumentation on the nose or like

482
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Speaker 2: the side of the nose of the plane that let

483
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Speaker 2: it know where it is from an altitude perspective, and

484
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Speaker 2: then it could automatically adjust the back of the plane

485
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Speaker 2: to write that altitude. And that was one of the

486
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Speaker 2: major issues where it would it would send the nose

487
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Speaker 2: down to try and get to optimal altitude, and sometimes

488
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Speaker 2: the instrument that's telling you what altitude it is was

489
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Speaker 2: wrong or missing because there was only one and it

490
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 2: would pop off sometimes and that's what caused planes to

491
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Speaker 2: nosedive the way we saw this DHL plane nose dive

492
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Speaker 2: right at the end.

493
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Speaker 4: And phantom correct is here, clarify email or call us,

494
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Speaker 4: and I believe if we're if we're understanding instrumentation correctly,

495
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Speaker 4: the modern aircraft is sort of triangulating via localized radio signals,

496
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Speaker 4: which goes to your earlier point there about flying under

497
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Speaker 4: bad weather when one cannot visually assess or what do

498
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Speaker 4: we say in always sunny when you can't give it

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Speaker 4: an ocular assessment out the act.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, don't have ocular on. Sorry, we're gonna figure

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Speaker 2: this out with the instruments.

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Speaker 3: I thought you cleared them, Yeah, exactly.

503
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Speaker 2: But the glide it is good to know here. The

504
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Speaker 2: glide slope glide path thing is a system that is

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Speaker 2: set up on the runway itself that is communicating with

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Speaker 2: the plane as you as you're saying ben, so as

507
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Speaker 2: you're coming in, you should have all the information you

508
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 2: need there. And it is really cool looking there. There

509
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 2: are emission patterns that you can check out of how

510
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 2: this actually functions, so that the glide slope is perfectly

511
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Speaker 2: within these two signals that get sent out and it's

512
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Speaker 2: like right there in the vent diagram the angle of

513
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 2: approach just so super cool, super super cool. Uh, you guys,

514
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 2: we have more information. We'll give a quick mention here

515
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 2: to Phoenix, who also had some really interesting ideas and

516
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 2: send us a voicemail about why and how you might

517
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Speaker 2: disrupt DHL operations like that and why this crash probably isn't. Yeah, yeah,

518
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Speaker 2: why this crash probably isn't. Some of the crazier stuff,

519
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 2: because there's other ways of achieving those goals, at least

520
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 2: according to Phoenix.

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Speaker 3: And I kind of didn't want to put them on.

522
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Speaker 2: Air, to be honest, Phoenix, because there are scary ideas.

523
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Speaker 2: Very intelligent and thought about that.

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Speaker 4: And your correct Phoenix.

525
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Speaker 2: Just for the record, yeah, oh yeah, for sure. I

526
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 2: think that's why it makes me a little nervous. But

527
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Speaker 2: for now, thank you so much, Phoenix, Phantom, Flyer, dirty D,

528
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 2: everybody else who's called in, and we will be right

529
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Speaker 2: back with more messages from y'all.

530
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Speaker 4: And we have returned. Thanks not just to all our

531
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Speaker 4: fellow conspiracy realists who call in, but thanks as well

532
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Speaker 4: equally to people or entities who take the time to

533
00:30:56,040 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 4: write in. As we've often said, sometimes the void rights back.

534
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 4: And I would love to share a great a great dialogue,

535
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Speaker 4: a great discourse from a European Shepherd who's a long

536
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 4: term fan of the show. You we will refer to

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Speaker 4: as the Shepherd bancois you say, bonjour, good fellows. I

538
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 4: have evolved through the Stuff podcast team from Stuff you

539
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 4: Should Know Dylan, can we get a clap awesome? Through

540
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 4: movie Crush Dylan, can we get a Hurrah awesome? And

541
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 4: onto you guys. That's stuff they don't want you to know,

542
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 4: and I must thank you all for entertaining and educating

543
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 4: me through many a long day working in all weathers

544
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Speaker 4: on our farm. In your recent episode The Terrifying Future

545
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 4: of Food, However, as you rounded up the episode, a

546
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Speaker 4: comment by Ben left me shouting into the wilderness. No Ben, why? Men?

547
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Speaker 4: You summarize the episode by saying that the quote world

548
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Speaker 4: would be objectively in better shape if we were all vegetarian?

549
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Speaker 3: No Ben? Why?

550
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Speaker 4: How could it be that the infinitely knowledgeable sir Ben

551
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 4: Bullet and too kind and thank you could have found

552
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Speaker 4: himself a proponent of a potential conspiracy of big veg or,

553
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 4: at the very least, something they don't want us to know.

554
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 4: Feel free to use my email on the air. My

555
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 4: name is the Shepherd. So first off, excellent writing got

556
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Speaker 4: us all on board. A lot of us in the

557
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Speaker 4: audience tonight may be wondering, well, what would be the

558
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 4: problem if the you know, if the human animal overall, all,

559
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Speaker 4: you know, a point whatever billion went vegetarian. This is

560
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 4: where the Shepherd brings up fascinating correspondence. Now, now to

561
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 4: be clear before we continue, I think it's fair to

562
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 4: say that Tennessee Pal, Matt, Frederick, Matt both hands, Frederick

563
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 4: and Noll the bagman Brown and yours truly are omnivorous. Right,

564
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Speaker 4: None of us are full vegetarian yet.

565
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Speaker 5: No.

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Speaker 6: I do enjoy vegetarian cooking, but it's never been like

567
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 6: a lifestyle choice that I've made. I do have some

568
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Speaker 6: friends that are vegan and love it, and I have

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Speaker 6: friends they're like pescatarian.

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Speaker 3: I guess to each their own kind of situation. Met

571
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Speaker 3: you said it, Matt, you said it.

572
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 4: And Dylan Tennessee Pal just logged in with again his

573
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Speaker 4: astonishing Jamiqui music video background to throw us an ambiguous

574
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Speaker 4: thumbs up. You are so good at this, dude, Thank

575
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 4: you for being on the show. Also great Jamiqui costume.

576
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 4: That's an Easter egg for La. So the Shepherd continues

577
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Speaker 4: and says, I am a British sheep farmer working in

578
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Speaker 4: France and have many neighboring farmers who grow vegetable or

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Speaker 4: grain crops. They cut away traditional hedgerows and fell trees,

580
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Speaker 4: cut trees down in the middle of fields to make

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Speaker 4: giant superfields. They spray herbicides before plowing and sowing Their

582
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Speaker 4: single crops which are harvested before the chemical destruction cycle

583
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Speaker 4: begins again. This is stuff we have talked about. I

584
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Speaker 4: am a shepherd, says the shepherd, and my fields have

585
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Speaker 4: remained constant for two decades. No herbicides, no pesticides. We

586
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Speaker 4: have wild flowers, thick hedges and trees to provide shelter

587
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Speaker 4: and cover for our sheep. We have grounding nesting birds,

588
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Speaker 4: a myriad of butterflies, bees, dragon and crane flies, plus

589
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 4: other insects mammals, birds, foxes, deer, birds of prey, etc.

590
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 4: This is where it gets. It's a very interesting not

591
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 4: doing the catchphrase in this one. None of these have

592
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Speaker 4: had the opportunity to establish themselves in a field destroyed

593
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Speaker 4: by pesticides and plowing on a yearly basis. I would suggest,

594
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Speaker 4: says the shepherd, that a vegetarian diet will inevitably lead

595
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Speaker 4: to the extinction of many species of animals, insects, and plants,

596
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Speaker 4: or at the very least a negative impact on biodiversity.

597
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Speaker 4: Let's pause there, because I think that's a really important thought,

598
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Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like, what do you guys

599
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Speaker 4: think about biodiversity in a world of global vegetarians.

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Speaker 6: It's interesting I mean, doesn't biodiversity also apply to plant.

601
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Speaker 4: Life very much?

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Speaker 6: So yeah, okay, so are we talking what are we

603
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Speaker 6: talking about here?

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Speaker 3: Exactly?

605
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Speaker 6: Like I mean like that these these concepts not being

606
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Speaker 6: able to coexist.

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Speaker 2: What I think is being stated here is that if

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Speaker 2: we became vegetarian, we would need a lot more land

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Speaker 2: to be cultivated in the ways that are helpful for

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Speaker 2: plants to grow, right, like large operations, because now everybody

611
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 2: is eating only plants.

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Speaker 4: And especially they'll be monocultural, which is the difficulty exactly.

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Speaker 2: So then over time you're getting rid of even more

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Speaker 2: places where wild animals tend to you know, proliferate. And

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Speaker 2: if you continue that down the path, I can see

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Speaker 2: this image. But what you're forgetting are vertical farms. I'm

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Speaker 2: bringing it back up, guys, vertical farms.

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Speaker 4: And I have a response to this. We'll get to

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Speaker 4: as well. Yes, vertical farms, whether por sine or produce.

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00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 4: Oh no, so let's go. You know, the shepherd you

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Speaker 4: took the time to write to us. We want to

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Speaker 4: give want to give the English on this one, all right,

623
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Speaker 4: so you say, and thus my gauntlets are off, and

624
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,919
Speaker 4: I challenge thee to a duel. Good sir Ben, as

625
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,720
Speaker 4: a humble farmer, I know you guys love that phrase.

626
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 4: As a humble farmer, without access to the statistics, I

627
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Speaker 4: ask you this question, Sir Ben, is the reduction in

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Speaker 4: animal farts by becoming vegetarian better for the planet than

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Speaker 4: the destruction, if not extinction, of many species that thrive

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Speaker 4: in long term grazing land. I hope you will read

631
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Speaker 4: this on the air in the hope that this other

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Speaker 4: side of livestock farming gets further consideration, as it is

633
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 4: so often ignored the public debate about vegetarianism. All the

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Speaker 4: best stuff, guys, the Shepherd, as as my colleagues knew here,

635
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Speaker 4: folks did right back to the Shepherd and to your

636
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 4: point map, which is excellent foreshadowing here it gets us

637
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Speaker 4: to conversation about path dependence. Now, Shepherd, I wrote to

638
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Speaker 4: you in depth because we're great fans of your perspective here,

639
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 4: and most importantly, you brought a tremendously impactful point to

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00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 4: all of us listening tonight. Path dependence, without getting too

641
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 4: into the grass, is this sort of institutional theory arguing

642
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 4: that group decisions, large scale decisions are often constrained by

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Speaker 4: past decisions of previous institutions. The most famous examples of

644
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Speaker 4: this are usually orbiting around the concept of technology, like

645
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Speaker 4: the Querity keyboard. We all have a Querity keyboard right now,

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Speaker 4: right anybody who's in devorak not mean got hard got

647
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Speaker 4: hard from from Matt Noll at Dill. It is probably

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Speaker 4: typing typing a message to us now on.

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Speaker 3: One of those crazy split keyboards on his split keyboard.

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Speaker 2: I noticed when I signed into the Discovery Plus recently

651
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Speaker 2: why I have such a hard time using their search

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Speaker 2: on their platform, because it is just a B C,

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Speaker 2: D E, F G H I j K and just

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Speaker 2: it doesn't make sense to me.

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Speaker 3: Aware is the freaking.

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Speaker 4: That's the thing. Yeah, here, here's an example. We're going

657
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Speaker 4: somewhere with this. Uh, the Shepherd you already know because

658
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Speaker 4: you're part of our discourse. Oh gosh, hang on, Dylan

659
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Speaker 4: just sent us a message in the chat. Don't get

660
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Speaker 4: mad at us, Dylan, what did you send? All right,

661
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Speaker 4: let's uh, let's give some space to Tennessee pal. Oh

662
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Speaker 4: he said to us a picture of his keyboard, which

663
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Speaker 4: is a maltron. I bet, I bet it's really clicke.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, oh nice. Oh that explains so much about

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Speaker 4: our editing process tight.

666
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Speaker 2: It's so ergonomic.

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Speaker 4: For one hand, here's the deal, here's path dependent. It's

668
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Speaker 4: a famous example of this. Fellow conspiracy realist. Keeping it brief,

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Speaker 4: the querty keyboard is not the optimal layout for humans

670
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Speaker 4: typing with their you know, with their collection of ten

671
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Speaker 4: carpols or or whatever fingers. And the the reason it

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Speaker 4: exists is because back in earlier evenings, in the advent

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Speaker 4: of the typewriter, these little physical blocks of letters, right,

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Speaker 4: each block is a letter used to fly at the page,

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Speaker 4: and if you were typing too fast, if your fingers

676
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Speaker 4: were too good at writing, then these things would jam.

677
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Speaker 4: So people purposely figured out how to make a kind

678
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Speaker 4: of crap layout for the order of the alphabet and

679
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Speaker 4: numerical symbols, just because that would make typewriters jam less frequently. Now,

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Speaker 4: you don't don't usually use a typewriter unless you're Tom

681
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 4: Hanks and you collect typewriters. That's true story.

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Speaker 6: Also quick shout out to the recent Ridiculous History episode

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Speaker 6: on the history of the alphabet A.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, two parter. Oh we got in the weeds

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Speaker 4: on that one. Please do it, please do check it out.

686
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Speaker 4: That's a nice uh, whisper in we'll call it so

687
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Speaker 4: I hear you, I see you. So by the time

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Speaker 4: the technology evolved, the querty keyboard layout was already so

689
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Speaker 4: normalized that it would call society more blood, sweat, and

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Speaker 4: energy and treasure to change it than it would to

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Speaker 4: build around it. And this gets us back to your

692
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 4: excellent argument, the Shepherd, your work will only become more

693
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Speaker 4: important as biodiversity continues to dwindle, and it's doing no

694
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Speaker 4: small part to large scale agricultural practices that you mentioned

695
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 4: in your initial correspondence. The human is not an obligate carnivore,

696
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Speaker 4: meaning the human can definitely just the vegetables all the

697
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 4: live long day and it'll be fine. It'll reproduce, it'll

698
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 4: make more people. They'll have, you know, watch parties for

699
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Speaker 4: Lost or whatever.

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Speaker 6: It is funny though, like I love vegetables ben but

701
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Speaker 6: in my mind sometimes just it just like it gravitates

702
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Speaker 6: towards the steak.

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Speaker 3: I find it to be yummier.

704
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Speaker 6: But I also know that good vegetarian cooking is also yummy,

705
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Speaker 6: and I think I just need to figure how to

706
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Speaker 6: break myself of that. But I think a lot of

707
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Speaker 6: people probably struggle with that too, where you know, there's

708
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Speaker 6: something about meat that's just like it does it for you,

709
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Speaker 6: even though we don't need it.

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Speaker 3: It's totally a luxury.

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Speaker 4: Well, check out the omnivores dilemma by Michael Pollen, which

712
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Speaker 4: we keep to your point, Sarah whispering in. So here's

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Speaker 4: the deal. I'm conceding your point, the shepherd. You have

714
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 4: excellent work here, and you're very well reasoned. I will

715
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Speaker 4: advance one caveat. Global vegetarianism sounds jolly. It won't work

716
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 4: caveat for now, and it's because of that same path dependence.

717
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 4: The way that the agricultural industry currently practices means it

718
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 4: is unsustainable and untenable to grow enough vegetable matter for

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Speaker 4: the entirety of the world's human population to only consume vegetables.

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Speaker 4: And you know, just like our pals Tennessee Pal and

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Speaker 4: know all the bag man and Maddie both ends here.

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Speaker 4: Like all of us, I too, am extremely omnivorous, with

723
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Speaker 4: very few exceptions. There's almost nothing I won't eat. I

724
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Speaker 4: think we talked about it off air. You guys had

725
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Speaker 4: to give up the octopus.

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Speaker 6: No, they're smart, you know it's that. Yeah, it's like

727
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 6: there are very few hills I will die on. But

728
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Speaker 6: I do think about that every time I see it

729
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Speaker 6: on a menu, and I usually avoid it because they

730
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Speaker 6: are so incredibly sentient and feeling. But per our conversation

731
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Speaker 6: or maybe a one sided conversation with Peta and that

732
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Speaker 6: email about ascribing, you know, certain types of emotions and

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Speaker 6: abilities to feel an experience to some species but not others.

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Speaker 6: I think there are probably plenty of species other than

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Speaker 6: octopi that know they're being you know, severely hurt and

736
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Speaker 6: poor lives.

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Speaker 4: And honestly, it might be different selfishly if there were

738
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Speaker 4: an octopus population that lived for a very long time,

739
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Speaker 4: Like if there was a fifty year old octopus and

740
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Speaker 4: I knew it was the equivalent of a maritime war criminal.

741
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Speaker 4: If there was a fifty year old, super evil Henry

742
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Speaker 4: Kissinger solid sar pullpot type octopus, I would happily eat it.

743
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Speaker 4: But unfortunately they're too smart. They burned so bright, and

744
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 4: they die so quickly. Here's the thing I had to

745
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 4: eat with this one. You guys had to eat a

746
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 4: little crow because the Shepherd one nails some great thoughts

747
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 4: and we hope you'll consider it as well. A massive

748
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Speaker 4: rollout of industrial level produce farming with current technology, stuff

749
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Speaker 4: that doesn't encounter, like you're saying, Matt vertical farming, soil reclamation,

750
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Speaker 4: exciting innovations, and hydroponics. If you use the technology as

751
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 4: it stands today, it will almost certainly spell disaster for

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Speaker 4: the human population. We know there's there's a lot of

753
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 4: stuff to the story here, but that's the basis.

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Speaker 6: I think the question that came up for a couple

755
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 6: of us, maybe all three, when that pig you know

756
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 6: skyscraper or whatever story came through this was why do

757
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 6: it with pigs, which is create such a nasty, you know,

758
00:45:56,200 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 6: toxic literally environment that's horrible for the animals, it's horrible

759
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 6: for the workers. Why not do it with soybeans or

760
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 6: do it with And the answer was pigs are more popular.

761
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 6: But it does feel like there will come a time

762
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Speaker 6: where we can no longer lean on what's popular and

763
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 6: it has to be more like, what is you know,

764
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 6: how is this going to hate subsistence?

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Speaker 4: Big picture, yes, there will come an evening.

766
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Speaker 6: But that's a reckoning though, right, And it's like we

767
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 6: just that's not how the world works, is it.

768
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Speaker 3: Unfortunately we just kick the can down the road.

769
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 6: And say if we can make more money selling people

770
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 6: the thing they want, then why would we sell them

771
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 6: the thing they need?

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Speaker 3: You know?

773
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 4: Well, but yeah, kicking the can is a band aid solution.

774
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:42,439
Speaker 4: You know, it works until it doesn't. With this, we

775
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 4: want to hear your opinions, fellow conspiracy realist, regarding the

776
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:51,479
Speaker 4: idea of sustainability. What is your specific diet? Do you

777
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 4: like us wrestle with the omnivores dilemma? Are you full vegan?

778
00:46:56,080 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 4: Are you full vegetarian? Are you considering yourself an obligat carnivore?

779
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:05,720
Speaker 4: And if so, if so, how does it work? Before

780
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 4: we end this listener mail program, we wanted to share

781
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 4: with you some letters from home in the form of

782
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 4: a couple holiday jokes from our pal, who may become

783
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:22,800
Speaker 4: a new nemesis. He's certainly a nemesis to comedy, Humorous Harry.

784
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 4: Do you guys want to hear? Do you guys want

785
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 4: to hear?

786
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 3: Want is a strong word, but I'm here for it.

787
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 4: All right, all right, we'll just do I went a

788
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 4: little long with our exploration with the Shepherd. Let's just

789
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 4: do one from Humorous Harry. It's a letter from him

790
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:44,760
Speaker 4: to all of us. Because of global climate change. Santa

791
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 4: was surprised when his wife said, it looks like rain. Dear,

792
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 4: Tut tut tut. All right, we'll do one more. This

793
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 4: is for you, humorous Harry. What does Frosty the Snowman

794
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:04,280
Speaker 4: put in his cereal bowl?

795
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 3: So ez? I like some of these. I don't got it.

796
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 3: I'm working on it.

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00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 4: Let's see what is Frosty the snow snow Man put

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00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 4: in his cereal blow?

799
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:18,280
Speaker 3: Frosted flakes?

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00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:24,240
Speaker 4: Ah, so close, Judges, that's a yes, it is snowflakes,

801
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 4: which I would say count as frosted.

802
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 3: But it's Frosty the Snowman.

803
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 2: I mean it's frosty flakes.

804
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:31,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

805
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like you got it. I feel like

806
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:34,879
Speaker 4: the judges sent it there.

807
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 2: And with that we all one more hold on.

808
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know I do kind of crave it now,

809
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 3: I do kind of crave Yeah.

810
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 2: Can you do number ten? Ben?

811
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,800
Speaker 4: Absolutely? It's what I have bulded as well. Uh. Did

812
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:53,919
Speaker 4: you know that Santa's elves have present competitions, Matt?

813
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 2: I did not know that. What what what kind of competitions?

814
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 4: They like? Having wraps? Oh, I can't wait to see

815
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 4: what you do with these outh. You're still and with

816
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 4: that we can't wait to hear from you. Thank you

817
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 4: to the Shepherd, thank you to Humorous Harry. Sarah. We're

818
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 4: gonna get to you later, but we've cooked up some

819
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 4: great synonyms that we're gonna pitch you for the idea

820
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 4: of a shout out. Thank you to Phantom Flyer, dirty Deed,

821
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 4: of course, Chickennato, and everybody else just like us. Moving

822
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 4: forward to twenty twenty five, If you want to join

823
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 4: the show, we'd love to have you on board. Let's

824
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,439
Speaker 4: get the band back together. Find us on email, find

825
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 4: us on telephone, Find us on the internet.

826
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 6: Indeed, you can find us at the handle conspiracy stuff,

827
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 6: where we exist on Facebook, where we have our Facebook group.

828
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 6: Here's where it gets crazy. Get in on the conversation.

829
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,359
Speaker 6: It gets crazy, y'all. You can also find us at

830
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 6: that handle on x FKA Twitter. Then you pointed out

831
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 6: the other day we got a pretty beascent following on

832
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:08,720
Speaker 6: that old X, so check it out at us whatever

833
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 6: you do on X. You can also find us at

834
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 6: that handle on YouTube, where we have video content glory

835
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 6: for your perusing. Enjoyment on Instagram and TikTok. However, though

836
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 6: TikTok's days may be numbered. You can find us at

837
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 6: the handle Conspiracy Stuff Show.

838
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 2: We have a phone number. It is one eight three

839
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 2: three st d WYTK. Put it in your contacts when

840
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 2: you call. It's a voicemail system. You've got three minutes.

841
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 2: Say whatever you want. Give yourself a cool nickname and

842
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 2: let us know if we can use your name and

843
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,359
Speaker 2: message on the air. Why not tell us about the

844
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 2: coolest present you gave this holiday season. We were talking

845
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 2: about keyboards earlier, y'all. I stumbled on one, and we

846
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 2: are not sponsored by them. Stumbled on one called a

847
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 2: black chrome quirky writer that is designed to look like

848
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 2: a typewriter. It's a keyboard for your computer, but it

849
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 2: clickety clacks like a typewriter.

850
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 3: Sounds awesome.

851
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 6: Hunting and pecking, hunting and pecking one thingy and it's time.

852
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 2: Well, I think it's designed to give you that feel

853
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 2: of sitting at a typewriter.

854
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 3: Was like.

855
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 2: It would go. It sounds exciting to me. Again, not sponsored,

856
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 2: and it looks really expensive. But tell us about the

857
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 2: coolest gift you gave. If you've got more to say

858
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 2: than can fit in a three minute voicemail, If you've

859
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:28,839
Speaker 2: got links, you've got pictures anything like that. We do

860
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,240
Speaker 2: have a good old fashioned email.

861
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 4: We are the entities that read every piece of correspondence

862
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 4: we receive. Be well aware, just like the shepherd. Sometimes

863
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 4: the void writes back, do send us the link, says

864
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 4: earlier mentioned. Do send us the photographs. When you do,

865
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,399
Speaker 4: we can all see it. When we respond, we all

866
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,720
Speaker 4: see it will move as a unit, and that unit

867
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 4: indeed include you. Please please tell us your opinions of

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