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Speaker 1: My weekends as a kid were spent watching Real Tree Outdoors,

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Speaker 1: I made sure to check out Monster Bucks and all

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Speaker 1: these different versions. And I used to see this guy

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Speaker 1: T Bone. He was like, you know, your quintessential redneck character,

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Speaker 1: start to really look into his career. It spanned over

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Speaker 1: thirty years in the hunting industry, and my buddy T

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Speaker 1: Bone is joining us this morning. First, how'd you get

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Speaker 1: the nickname T Bone?

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, I never had been called t Bone

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Speaker 2: my whole life, and I guess in the late nineties,

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Speaker 2: we were going to start filming some of the Real

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Speaker 2: Tree Monster Books stuff and I was playing Jeff Foxworthy

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Speaker 2: sidekick actually, and they said, you know, we can't call

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Speaker 2: you Travis because I had the whole bubb of teeth

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Speaker 2: and the floppy hat. And they said, look, we got

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Speaker 2: to come up with a different name. And literally five

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Speaker 2: minutes before we began filming, I threw it out there.

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Speaker 2: I said, what about t Bone? That's short? Sweet? You know,

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Speaker 2: kind of sounds very hickeish, and you know it's something

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Speaker 2: you can remember. And they said, okay, let's let's call

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Speaker 2: you t Bone. So I'm figuring this is my fifteen

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Speaker 2: minutes of fame back in the late nineties, and you

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Speaker 2: know it's going to be done with, you know, I

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Speaker 2: having my little little snippet on the Monster Bucks DVDs

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Speaker 2: or back then it was VHS tapes, but nonetheless, and

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Speaker 2: it stuck, you know, I mean, people like the comedy

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Speaker 2: that was introduced, you know, kind of hand in hand

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Speaker 2: with the hunts that we had on the Monster Bucks

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Speaker 2: DVD and VHS series and we're off and running. The

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Speaker 2: monster of T Bone was created.

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Speaker 1: Are you shocked at how long your career has lasted?

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Speaker 2: I really am. I mean even to this day. You know, me,

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Speaker 2: Michael and Nick we talk about it, how humbled we are.

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Speaker 2: You know, we always think that we all come from

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Speaker 2: humble beginning, so that we think that, you know, like

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Speaker 2: next year, it's like, man, this this is gonna end,

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Speaker 2: you know, I mean, we're we're living the dream right now.

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Speaker 2: I'm like I keep telling myself, like I'm surely somebody

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Speaker 2: in the archery shop will hire me. To fletch eras

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Speaker 2: or or work on their bows or something like that.

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Speaker 2: Michael's always got the mindset of like, yeah, you know,

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Speaker 2: if things run dry next year, you know, surely I

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Speaker 2: can help Dad hang some sheet rock and stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I think it's good that we still have

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Speaker 2: that plan B mindset. And when we started Bone Collector,

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Speaker 2: and even before that, we thought, well, maybe this will

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Speaker 2: be a good two or three year run, see what happens,

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Speaker 2: and then move on to the next thing. But you know,

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Speaker 2: here we are going into our fourteenth year with Bone

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Speaker 2: Collector and even more so with Real Tree, and you know,

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Speaker 2: people are still liking what we're doing, Thank goodness.

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Speaker 1: So let's go back to your past. What started you

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, if you want to go way way back,

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Speaker 2: take me all the way back. Yeah, way way back.

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Speaker 2: I would have to say. You know, like so many

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Speaker 2: my dad and my uncle. You know, they had always

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Speaker 2: So so, uh, yeah, I get I guess from my

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Speaker 2: the really accelerated things for me is right out of

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Speaker 1: What kind of bow was it?

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Speaker 2: It was a PSC thunder Flight Express.

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Speaker 1: Wow?

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, way back?

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Speaker 1: When can you remember the Jennings bows?

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Speaker 1: I had a buddy of mine. He called me and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the innovations are incredible and how much they've changed

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Speaker 2: releasing little tidbits here here and there each year. But

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Speaker 2: I'm always amazed, like it's like we got bows that

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Speaker 2: then they're making them so much more quieter, so much

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Speaker 1: Is there one product in the hunting industry, not fishing,

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Speaker 2: There's two things that we get asked that a lot.

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Speaker 2: There's two things that I think that are is. One

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Speaker 2: You can be doing that while you're at work all

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Speaker 2: and you're waiting, which was great, you know as an

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Speaker 2: those cell phone trail cameras are just absolutely amazing at

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Speaker 2: be the laser range finder for an archer that needs

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Speaker 1: You grew up fishing as well, and some of the

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Speaker 1: innovations in fishing that have really changed the game. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: they've all come up. Now, there's all this live tech analogy.

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Speaker 1: Every major company has one. Hummingbird is the only one

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Speaker 1: they're going to. But to see it's almost like fishing

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Speaker 1: electronic is that was a huge game changer. Oh, and

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Speaker 2: Oh. I know, you always scratch your head. It's like, ah,

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Speaker 1: You've mentioned a couple names today and I want to

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Speaker 1: get your relationship behind these names. You mentioned Jeff Foxworthy.

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Speaker 1: How did you come into contact with Jeff Foxworthy?

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Speaker 2: Well, for those that don't know, from about nineteen ninety

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Speaker 2: own own Archery Shop, an outdoor store which was down

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Speaker 2: in Hogansville, Georgia and being south of Atlanta and working

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Speaker 2: more with Real Tree, and fox Worthy had a relationship

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Speaker 2: gun hunted. Well, I did all the bowl work for

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Speaker 2: I wanted to be that liaison, meaning like, I don't

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Speaker 2: mean that arrogantly. I mean I just wanted anybody getting

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Speaker 2: to be set up correctly, it has to be tuned correctly,

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Speaker 2: you know, tell more people and it would be an

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Speaker 2: enjoyable thing that they'd want to do from now on. Well,

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Speaker 2: Foxworthy wanted to bow hunt, and they they brought him

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Speaker 2: And he came to the store. We hit it off,

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Speaker 2: good and it was kind of a funny story about that.

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Speaker 2: Is the day that he came, I'm telling him, you know,

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Speaker 2: And I figured most everything's going in one ear and

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Michael's son, they won the national championship for

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Speaker 2: I had all my errors at the end of it,

429
00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:56,879
Speaker 2: so that was a plus, and.

430
00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:57,359
Speaker 1: I beat that.

431
00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,040
Speaker 2: I beat my buddies, like, hey, I'm at least in

432
00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,760
Speaker 2: the first place out of six. And then uh, you know,

433
00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,040
Speaker 2: we collectively added up all the scores, and in the

434
00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:09,359
Speaker 2: beginning division, which was a novice division out of thirty

435
00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:11,640
Speaker 2: seven folks, I was lucky enough to win. I mean

436
00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:15,200
Speaker 2: owning a bow for five days, so that within that

437
00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,960
Speaker 2: first week, Oh my gosh, I'm like, I've never been

438
00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,000
Speaker 2: good at nothing, but you know, floating on the back

439
00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,679
Speaker 2: in the swimming pool and and uh and shooting a

440
00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:24,720
Speaker 2: bow so that it created a monster.

441
00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:28,760
Speaker 1: So that confidence then transfers over to the field. What

442
00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,080
Speaker 1: happened the first time you pulled a bow back on

443
00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:31,760
Speaker 1: a buck.

444
00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:34,320
Speaker 2: Well, it took a few years to get a buck,

445
00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:37,639
Speaker 2: but I couldn't say no to the ladies for a

446
00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,480
Speaker 2: first few years. I was shooting the uh. I was

447
00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:42,919
Speaker 2: shooting the dose. Pretty regular freezer queens is what we

448
00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:43,520
Speaker 2: like to call them.

449
00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,000
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, that's not necessarily a bad thing. No,

450
00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,000
Speaker 1: you got all that confidence going into it. You know,

451
00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,280
Speaker 1: buck fever is a real deal. Do you still get

452
00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:51,920
Speaker 1: that excitement?

453
00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,240
Speaker 2: Absolutely? Yeah. The I mean I feel a little more

454
00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:57,520
Speaker 2: because we've went through it some more. You got a

455
00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:01,080
Speaker 2: little more confident. But nonetheless, the adrenaline flowing because it's

456
00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:04,240
Speaker 2: a it's a chess match, it's It's funny because you

457
00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,359
Speaker 2: can have a dough out there and not you're not

458
00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:08,719
Speaker 2: gonna shoot it, You're just gonna you're you're waiting. But

459
00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:11,399
Speaker 2: instantly when you say you know what, I think, I

460
00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,080
Speaker 2: am going to shoot that dough, when you make the

461
00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:17,119
Speaker 2: decision to it's like the heart starts going and the

462
00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,840
Speaker 2: adrenaline starts flowing, and then it's a it's a chess

463
00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,359
Speaker 2: match and making sure you do everything right in that

464
00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,439
Speaker 2: nano second that it takes to you know, put it

465
00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,280
Speaker 2: where it needs to be. Because that's the good thing

466
00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:29,720
Speaker 2: about bow hunting is just because the deer's at twenty

467
00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,280
Speaker 2: yards in broadside, it doesn't mean you got it, you know,

468
00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:35,720
Speaker 2: with a with a rifle, which we're all for everything,

469
00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:39,119
Speaker 2: don't get me wrong. You know, we're we're pro for

470
00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,160
Speaker 2: if it's legal to hunt with We're we're for.

471
00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,520
Speaker 1: It, right, But you have I mean, obviously you have

472
00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,520
Speaker 1: a passion. Your passion is for bow hunting, absolutely and

473
00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,280
Speaker 1: among your friends. You know why, del can go out

474
00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,320
Speaker 1: there and shoot an elk with a rifle at two

475
00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:55,280
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty yards, But there is a level of

476
00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,640
Speaker 1: super excitement when you get an elk at twenty.

477
00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:00,679
Speaker 2: Yards absolutely absolutely.

478
00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,240
Speaker 1: I mean that's changed my mindset. Yes, I grew up

479
00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,840
Speaker 1: as a gun hunter for years, and it was probably

480
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,159
Speaker 1: twelve years ago. I was living in Delaware working in radio,

481
00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,600
Speaker 1: moving all over. I started my career in radio when

482
00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,480
Speaker 1: I was seventeen, and when I was in Delaware, I

483
00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,399
Speaker 1: finally was in a state where I was like, you know,

484
00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,359
Speaker 1: there's enough land here. Let me see if I can

485
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,439
Speaker 1: get back into the outdoors because I missed it and

486
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,800
Speaker 1: Delaware is not the greatest state for the outdoors. But

487
00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,159
Speaker 1: one thing that I did notice is there was a

488
00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:33,359
Speaker 1: pro shop. They were selling bows. I went in spent

489
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,960
Speaker 1: four hundred bucks on a Botex Sniper, and I thought

490
00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,280
Speaker 1: this was going to be my intro into bowhunting. Well,

491
00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,600
Speaker 1: I never had a place to shoot. If I was

492
00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:44,440
Speaker 1: going to rent lane time, it was going to be

493
00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,399
Speaker 1: super expensive. I feel like I could do this in

494
00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:50,320
Speaker 1: my backyard, but I didn't even have twenty yards to shoot.

495
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:52,399
Speaker 1: So this bow just sat in a case and I

496
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:56,640
Speaker 1: moved it all over. I moved it to other places

497
00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,359
Speaker 1: in the Philadelphia area, and then when I moved to Missouri,

498
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,639
Speaker 1: I pulled the bow out and I still didn't have

499
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:07,960
Speaker 1: that confidence because I'd never shot outside of a building,

500
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:10,919
Speaker 1: so I was like, you know, I'll just stick with

501
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,479
Speaker 1: the gun hunting. So I stayed with that. When I

502
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,800
Speaker 1: got here, I ran into a couple buddies, a guy

503
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,320
Speaker 1: named Alan Brock who's a big time bowhunter, pop and young,

504
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:23,040
Speaker 1: like he's into all that stuff. He doesn't allow anybody

505
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 1: on his farm in Illinois to shoot anything other than

506
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 1: a bow. You can't even shoot a crossbow. His thing

507
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,919
Speaker 1: is you bow hunt when you're up here, and that's it.

508
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:32,719
Speaker 2: Yeah.

509
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 1: So last year, I'm sitting in a stand and his

510
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,199
Speaker 1: rule is you got to take a dough off the

511
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 1: property first, just to get the ratio right, yep, then

512
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,520
Speaker 1: you can get a buck. So I'm on his property

513
00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 1: for the first time. Imagine the feelings that I have

514
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 1: running through me. I don't want to screw this up

515
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,359
Speaker 1: because I want to have an opportunity to come back.

516
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 1: So a doe comes walking out. She's twenty five yards

517
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 1: and I go, okay, I got the text, you got

518
00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,159
Speaker 1: to take a dough before you take a buck. So

519
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,879
Speaker 1: I pull back and I get that little pitter patter

520
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,119
Speaker 1: in the heart. I let the arrow go. I know

521
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,119
Speaker 1: it's a good hit, but the dough runs off. I

522
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 1: don't see where the doe lands. So now I'm thinking

523
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 1: I can't shoot a buck because if I can't find

524
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,639
Speaker 1: the dough, and I already got a buck down, like

525
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:18,920
Speaker 1: I'm going against the rules. So now I'm in my

526
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,119
Speaker 1: mind the biggest buck I've ever seen in my life

527
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,399
Speaker 1: walked right out in that same exact spot. So I

528
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,719
Speaker 1: didn't let an arrow fly. I was like, I'm not

529
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:28,639
Speaker 1: gonna screw that up.

530
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:29,880
Speaker 2: Oh wow, what do we do?

531
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 1: After daylight? We found the dough. So now I'm kicking

532
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 1: myself even more. I tell Alan the story and Alan's like,

533
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 1: what property were you on? I said the six hundred

534
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:43,160
Speaker 1: acres and he goes, oh, the deer the doe ratio

535
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 1: over there, that's fine, you should have shot the buck.

536
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

537
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 1: So now I'm like, oh my god, I could have

538
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,119
Speaker 1: had the biggest buck in my life. Yeah, and I

539
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:51,639
Speaker 1: didn't do it.

540
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,639
Speaker 2: That sure would have been a good information to have.

541
00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,240
Speaker 1: But after that, like, I really got hooked on bow

542
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 1: hunting and I love it. Now I have another bow

543
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 1: that I shoot pretty regularly, and I'm going to spend

544
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 1: this year pretty much doing more bow hunting than rifle hunting. Yeah,

545
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 1: there is something too, having that passion for bow hunting.

546
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,360
Speaker 1: You're not mad at any other method or technique, no,

547
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 1: but there's something about bow hunting this year's different.

548
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 2: It's therapeutic to me, I tell I mean, no matter

549
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 2: how good you are, you can always get better. And

550
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 2: it's like you can have a bad day at work

551
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 2: or you know, be real tense or what have you,

552
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 2: and go out and spend thirty minutes fling you know,

553
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 2: forty or fifty eras and you know it's really a release.

554
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 2: I guess you could say between shooting a bow and

555
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 2: riding a tractor, you know, diesel therapy. I call it

556
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 2: those two things. Right there are the things that I

557
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,400
Speaker 2: recharge my battery. So and the camaraderie. It's just nice

558
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,159
Speaker 2: to be able to tell the same stories to a

559
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 2: fellow bow hunter or a hunter period. But you know,

560
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,360
Speaker 2: you know, that's the meat and potatoes of it. It's

561
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 2: not just all I got a deer with a bow.

562
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 2: That's the cherry on top. But everything else is just

563
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 2: so so great to be a part of.

564
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:01,439
Speaker 1: You know.

565
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 2: The it's almost a cross between NASCAR and golf, you know,

566
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 2: because you got a suppression nervous energy when you're hunting

567
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 2: and when you're trying to shoot that deer because you

568
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 2: don't want the adrenaline to flow too much. But then

569
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 2: again you want you know, working on your equipment is

570
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 2: almost like a NASCAR type thing. You know, do I

571
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,159
Speaker 2: put more weight up front? Do I do I go

572
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 2: with a longer vein? I mean, there's just so many

573
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 2: concoctions that you can come up to to try to

574
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 2: help yourself be a little bit more accurate, not just

575
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:29,719
Speaker 2: in your mind, but with the equipment too.

576
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 1: How much has your setup changed over the years.

577
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 2: But a pretty good bit. Yeah, just and.

578
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 1: Mainly is that because of the technology of the boast a.

579
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,719
Speaker 2: Little bit of everything. Yeah, just you know, I'm always

580
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 2: wanted to play with the build a better mouse trap.

581
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 2: But yeah, the technology each year, there's always innovations and

582
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 2: things that we do. And the way that the geometry

583
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 2: of the bows are now, you know, we've got sub

584
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 2: parallel bows now, whereas we never had that twenty years ago.

585
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 2: So the technology has come a long ways. It's really

586
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 2: made it easy to I'm pretty efficient.

587
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: Your first big game hunt that you go on with

588
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 1: real tree nervous, Oh yeah, what was that day?

589
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:15,479
Speaker 2: Like? Yeah, well I did a couple of hunts with

590
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 2: with real tree that wasn't successful. We went to Ohio

591
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,679
Speaker 2: and me and David both we didn't get one. And

592
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 2: then but the first one.

593
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,679
Speaker 1: Is was that lack of animal or you took a

594
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 1: shot and you missed, or.

595
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 2: Just didn't have it, didn't have an opportunity, didn't have

596
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 2: the right opportunity. But the first one that that I

597
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,719
Speaker 2: went on, actually the first one that I went on,

598
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,919
Speaker 2: I'm pretty proud of this was as the T Bone character.

599
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 2: I was T Bone the character and I hunted for

600
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 2: a doe. So you know, uh, I think I'm the

601
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,199
Speaker 2: first and only guy to ever kill a doe on

602
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 2: the Monster Buck series. And I killed it as T

603
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 2: Bone and we used t bones old bow with you know,

604
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 2: I'm dating myself, So if anybody's followed the character T

605
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 2: Bone and the things that we did back in the

606
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 2: late nineties and early two thousands, I took that old

607
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 2: bare white tail hunter which was built in the seventies

608
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 2: and it was only shooting like one hundred and ninety

609
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 2: feet per second, but killed a dough with that. So

610
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 2: but yeah, I was nervous about that. We was going

611
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 2: to try to kill a doe all year long and

612
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 2: we went like twenty five different times trying to kill

613
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 2: a doe and it just didn't work out. We thought it,

614
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 2: we'd get it done in you know, two or three hunts,

615
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 2: and then here we are, it's the end of season,

616
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 2: having to wear orange because it's rifle season. And finally

617
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 2: we got that got a dough killed with that old bow.

618
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 2: So that was pretty neat. And then the first successful

619
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 2: hunt was me and Nick Munt was in Montana and

620
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,239
Speaker 2: I killed it with a muzzleloder. That was back in

621
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 2: two thousand. Whitetail, Yeah, yep, big huge body dear yeah.

622
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 2: And it was kind of funny on that hunt. The

623
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 2: day before it was sixty four degrees and then overnight

624
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 2: we got six inches of snow and it was minus

625
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 2: ten the next day. I mean that big of a swing.

626
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 2: So the hunt starts off, we're bow hunting in basically

627
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 2: just long sleeves, T shirts, and then the next day

628
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 2: we're we're wearing everything we possibly could about to freeze

629
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 2: or be honkys often, but we got it done. We

630
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 2: got it done.

631
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: When you leave Georgia and you go on some of

632
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 1: these hunts, the first time you ever see an elk.

633
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,959
Speaker 1: The first time you ever see a moose. What are

634
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 1: some of the what's the biggest game that you've ever

635
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 1: been successful with?

636
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:21,439
Speaker 2: Uh? Elk, yeah, elk, And yeah, it's it's amazing. This

637
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 2: country is so beautiful, you know. I mean, we know

638
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,400
Speaker 2: that we're blessed to get to travel and hunting all

639
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 2: the quadrons of the country and you know, Mexico and

640
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 2: Canada and such. So, yeah, the backdrop is what gets me.

641
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 2: It's like, uh, and I love whitetail hunting. It's my

642
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 2: favorite because you can hunt whitetail in just about every state,

643
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 2: but the backdrops so different, and the way you hunt

644
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 2: them in Wyoming or Montana is not how you'd hunt

645
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 2: them in Florida or or in other parts of the country.

646
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 2: So it's always neat to to the way you have

647
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 2: to hunt to adapt to the area that you're in.

648
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people that have bucket list style hunts.

649
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: For some people, it's a species. You've been fortunate enough

650
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: to hunt almost everything in North America. For you, is

651
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: there a bucket list that you still have?

652
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 2: Honestly, we get asked that all the time, and I've

653
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 2: already I've already exceeded any dreams. I mean, I mean,

654
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 2: like if I don't kill a cockroach again. I mean, honestly,

655
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 2: I have already exceeded everything that I ever thought, so

656
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 2: I'm humbled in that respect. But if you put a

657
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 2: gun to my head and said one critter that you'd

658
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 2: like to is a Yukon moose on a float trip

659
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 2: with my bow, would be my bucket list.

660
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: You still haven't done it.

661
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 2: Haven't done it? No, No, it's a pretty expensive one.

662
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 2: But I want to do it. Yeah, that's one thing

663
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 2: I'd like to do. And but other than that, what

664
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 2: Ell and I have kind of wanted to go back

665
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 2: to our roots, what we really enjoy. I mean, we

666
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 2: enjoy all hunting, but it sure is nice to come

667
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 2: back to the camaraderie, the fellowship, being with good people

668
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 2: that you like to be around, sharing a good white

669
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 2: tail camp. I get into so much of the management

670
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 2: portion of it. And you know, it's not just like

671
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 2: you know, I want to go hunt for three or

672
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 2: five days and Kansas and an outfitter. Those are fun,

673
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 2: but I enjoy the pride factor that goes into it,

674
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 2: managing my farms that I have here in Georgia. I

675
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 2: have one in Kansas, as well, you know, putting in

676
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 2: all the work three hundred and sixty five days a year,

677
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 2: and then you know, good times with good people. And then,

678
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 2: like I say, the cherry on top is you get

679
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 2: to take a critter that you've worked with managed, put

680
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 2: the sweat equity in, and then there's a pride factor

681
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 2: there with having that.

682
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: That's the missing link that so many non hunters don't know, yes,

683
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: about the hunting industry.

684
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 2: Absolutely, they unfortunately, you know, they're just they're just not educated,

685
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, I'm not nothing negative, they just

686
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 2: don't know. But if they listen to this podcast or

687
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 2: they chit chat with anybody that's hunter and tell tell

688
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,719
Speaker 2: them about it, the whole, the whole aspect of it,

689
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 2: you know, it's yet. Yeah, there has to be death involved,

690
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 2: for sure, you know, but but there's so much more

691
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 2: that goes with it. There's so much more that you

692
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 2: get out of it and life lessons.

693
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: But it is ethical. I mean, the idea behind when

694
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: people hear non hunters, when they hear you know, there's

695
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 1: death involved. Sure, an animal has to die in order

696
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: for someone to be quote unquote successful. But I've often

697
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: said I don't think the most successful hunts are the

698
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: ones that you come back with backstraps. No, I think

699
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: there's plenty of successful hunts where you got to spend

700
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: time with people. If you're a dad or you're a

701
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: mom and you want to share the outdoors with your kids, yep,

702
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: that's just as much fun now when something like that

703
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: does happen as people who try to show people new hunters,

704
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: people who are not familiar with the outdoors and you

705
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: try to teach them. You're talking about aging a deer

706
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: on the hoof, yeah, and trying to figure that out.

707
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: A lot of people think, oh, mass dictates how old

708
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: they are, points dictate how old they are. They negate

709
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: the actual body of the animal. Right to be able

710
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: to figure it out.

711
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, and you know, if you choose to, you know,

712
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 2: as long as it's legal. We've always said, as long

713
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 2: as it's legal. So many times within the industry and

714
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 2: with social media, you almost you see it too many

715
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 2: times where people get shunned for not shooting a old,

716
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 2: mature deer. And if that's your thing, by all means,

717
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 2: do so, and that you know, at this point in

718
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 2: my career, you know, I try to do that for sure,

719
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 2: but I don't want it to make a young hunter

720
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 2: or a new hunter. Like if they shoot something that's legal,

721
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 2: it's a small eight pointer, that's a three year old,

722
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 2: don't be you know, if it trips your trigger, shoot

723
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 2: it as long as it's legal. We want to make

724
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 2: sure that we are introducing more people into the industry

725
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 2: and having a good time with it. But with social media,

726
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 2: it seems like we get shunned if you don't kill

727
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 2: a mature animal. If your goal and your property is

728
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 2: to have a trophy deer, you got to let them walk.

729
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 2: I mean, that's just that's the recipe for success is

730
00:32:58,800 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 2: you know.

731
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: A good go let them grow.

732
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, good habitat, good food, and they got to have

733
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:08,479
Speaker 2: enough birthdays. But you know, if your mentality is I'm

734
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 2: not gonna I get to spend a lot of time

735
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 2: in the woods, I'm not gonna shown someone that's working

736
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 2: forty fifty sixty hours a week, he's doing something with

737
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 2: mom and his wife on Friday nights. He's only getting

738
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 2: Saturday hunt because he's got to be home Sunday to

739
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 2: do chores before he goes to work Monday. Who am

740
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 2: I to tell that guy that he's got to let

741
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 2: the all these legal deer go absolutely if it trips

742
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 2: your trigger and it's legal, take it.

743
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: And the quotas that are out there are one they're

744
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: very conservative, if you tagged out on every single one

745
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: of them. Very In Georgia, we all know it's what

746
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: nine ten dos and ten doos in two bucks. You

747
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: hear those numbers in a lot of states and people

748
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: are like, oh my god, who would do that? Yeah, well,

749
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: the average in Georgia is people take one dough and

750
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: two bucks for three total deer. I mean you don't.

751
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: You don't here massive numbers of animals getting pulled off.

752
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: But that quota, that twelve per tag or twelve per hunter,

753
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: that's even conservative based on the population exactly.

754
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 2: There's there's a I mean, the dn R does a

755
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 2: good job of that. You know, the biologists know how many.

756
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 2: And we got more deer here than other states.

757
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 1: There's just a ton.

758
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's thick as a wicker basket. I mean,

759
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 2: you go out west my farm in Kansas and it

760
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 2: might have out of two hundred acres, it might have

761
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 2: twenty trees on it, whereas I've got that in twenty

762
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 2: foot circle in Georgia. It's thick.

763
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 1: So there are more trees on some people's properties in

764
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,280
Speaker 1: the suburbs here than there are on Kansas property.

765
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely, So you know, it's just relative to where

766
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 2: you're hunting, and the DNR does a great job of

767
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 2: managing that and making sure that the biologists so that

768
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 2: we keep things in check. You know, we are the

769
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 2: number one conservationalist the hunters are, so we're keeping those

770
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 2: populations in check. It's a success story. You know, you

771
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 2: go back one hundred years and you know the numbers

772
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 2: horn in check. You know, some of these critters were

773
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 2: just about instinct, and.

774
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: I mean the white tail deer.

775
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 2: White till deer in the NWTF, you know, through the

776
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 2: Turkey Foundation. You know, there's so many turkeys out there now.

777
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 2: The population is so good, Mother nature reaks more havoc

778
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 2: on it than hunters do.

779
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: The amount of people that I see that post on

780
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: social media and these are basically people from suburbs, and

781
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 1: you know they talk about the coyotes and they love

782
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 1: hearing coyotes, and yeah, when a coyote howls, it can

783
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: be a pretty sound. But you also have to know

784
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: that when a coyote howls, there's a good chance that

785
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 1: one of your favorite animals, whether it be a turkey,

786
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: whether it be a deer, is probably running casualty toll.

787
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:42,280
Speaker 1: What's happening.

788
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, the coyote being a predator, doesn't

789
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 2: have any predators, you know, so it is the top

790
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 2: of the food chain, and they do breed quite a bit,

791
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 2: so they do need to be put in check. That's

792
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 2: why there's not a season on them.

793
00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: And I continue to think of out, you know, the

794
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 1: ethical side of conservation. And I'm a lot like you.

795
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 1: You know, I haven't had the quote unquote success in

796
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: the woods or the amount of deer taken or elk

797
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: or anything like that. But for me, it's it's a

798
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: quality over quantity thing. You know. I really love just

799
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: being outside. I love seeing deer in their natural habitat.

800
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: And if I find one that I feel needs to

801
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: come off because of its age and you know it's

802
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: not reproducing anymore and it's taking more food away from

803
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: some of the younger ones that have an opportunity to go,

804
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: then that's proper land management. Sure, just go with what

805
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: you got. But when it comes to these predators, when

806
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: I see what coyotes have done to the deer population,

807
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 1: all the work that has gone into it for over

808
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: one hundred years. While it's still really good, thirty five

809
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: million strong. We have to be able to stay on

810
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: the front lines of that kind of stuff with those predators.

811
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, trapping and shooting the predators is something that

812
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 2: needs to be done. And then you know, not to

813
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 2: mention how hogs, you know, such a problem in the

814
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 2: South and they're working their way. You know, it's just

815
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 2: a matter of time before they'll be up this way.

816
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 2: You know, a little farther north. They breed, you know,

817
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 2: two and three times a year. They have anywhere from

818
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 2: six to fifteen and a sounder.

819
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: And god, these are things you never thought about as

820
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: a teenage.

821
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 2: No, no, I never thought I'd have to be worried

822
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 2: about hogs. But you know, one of the leases that

823
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 2: we have, which is about an hour and a half,

824
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 2: it's in Taylor County, Georgia. It's just infested with it.

825
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 2: And if you're trying to manage deer, you don't want

826
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,800
Speaker 2: hogs because they don't they don't cohabitate too good together.

827
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 2: The hogs will take.

828
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: Over your son Archer, Yes, a very interesting name.

829
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know how we come up with that.

830
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: What names. Were you and your wife bouncing off of

831
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: each other when she was pregnant?

832
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 2: Well, we hunter, yeah, but there were so many hunters, right,

833
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 2: you know. And I threw the name Archer out there,

834
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 2: thinking she was gonna shoot it down. And I was

835
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 2: proud of the fact that, you know, like I said, no,

836
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,399
Speaker 2: I don't want him to have that pressure on him

837
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 2: or you know, it's a it's a classy kind of

838
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 2: style name. I think Archer is, and and I was

839
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 2: proud of the fact that, you know, after a week

840
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 2: or two, she was the one that put her foot

841
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,399
Speaker 2: down and said, you know, I really like that, that's

842
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 2: what we're going with. So it's actually her decision to

843
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 2: keep it rather than than mine. So that that adds

844
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 2: a pride factor for all of us that chose his name.

845
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 2: So honestly, I can't even remember other names that we

846
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 2: we kind of bounced around on that.

847
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: So do you not want to put that pressure on

848
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: him because five days after owning a bow you were

849
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:31,720
Speaker 1: a champion?

850
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 2: No, No, just just you know, I just didn't want

851
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 2: him to you know, that's my career and everything, and

852
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, that's kind of me. I thought

853
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 2: it was me being selfish naming my son archer, even

854
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 2: though I'm so passionate about it, I thought, you know,

855
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 2: I just don't want him to you know, he may

856
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 2: not be an archer, and honestly, he he doesn't. He

857
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 2: does shoot a little bit, but not not that much

858
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 2: at all. So he's not really into it as much

859
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 2: as I would have thought he would have been.

860
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 1: But it's good that you're not pushing him to me

861
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: in one way or the other.

862
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 2: No. No, it's just it's available for him and we

863
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 2: just we support him whatever he wants to do, you know,

864
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 2: whichever route. So he's actually into drums and it's kind

865
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 2: of a I helped set up Zach Brown stuff, and

866
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 2: Zach Brown got him a set of drums, so so

867
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 2: he's into drumming, and he's into editing and producing stuff.

868
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 2: So that's what he's into.

869
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 1: Is it wild to see a kid his age really

870
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: attached to this YouTube generation of wanting to be stars,

871
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: because if you think about it, the Hunting DVDs, the

872
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: Hunting VHS's that was the original YouTube.

873
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 2: It was Yeah, you're right. And my son doesn't even

874
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 2: watch TV anymore. It's just youtubees and clips and he

875
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 2: spends more time looking at his phone and watching six

876
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 2: minute or ten minute videos, and you cannot get him

877
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 2: to watch a thirty minute program anymore. I mean, that's

878
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 2: just the way kids are nowadays.

879
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: Does it change your idea and your mentality when you

880
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 1: guys go into a shoot. I mean, obviously you're held

881
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: to a thirty minute window with the outdoor channel and

882
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 1: Sportsman's Channel and all that kind of stuff, But when

883
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: you do little comic relief videos, are you really consciously

884
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 1: thinking about I got to get this out quick?

885
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 2: Yes? Yeah, oh yeah, we're the landscape is changing. You know,

886
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 2: we're real fortunate to have a top tier show on

887
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 2: the television, but it's almost that we're at a crossroads

888
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 2: between you know, digital media and social media as well

889
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,359
Speaker 2: as television. Luckily, we've got a good foothold in all

890
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 2: of those, but you know, over the next five years,

891
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 2: you're going to see a lot of different changes and

892
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 2: which route it goes and such. So we'll we'll see.

893
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 2: So we're just layding the bushes and gonna attack it

894
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 2: whichever way we need to go. But yeah, we're doing

895
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 2: lots more YouTube stuff, and we're seeing that the younger

896
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 2: audience definitely wants to have it immediate. I mean, you know,

897
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 2: they don't want to wait no six months or eight

898
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 2: months or nine months to see a hunt. They want it.

899
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: It's almost like Netflix. You know, I want to watch

900
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 1: a season, but I want to watch it all on

901
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:50,240
Speaker 1: a weekend.

902
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 2: That's right exactly. They want to see it all right now.

903
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: So I think you're one of the best guys to ask,

904
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: and this is how we'll end the interview. What is

905
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 1: Travesty bone Turners most memorable hunt?

906
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 2: Oh? Wow? We get asked that a lot and it's

907
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 2: hard to pick just one.

908
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: But the one that comes to your mind right off

909
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: the bat.

910
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 2: I guess there's a lot of them, and that's not

911
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 2: a fair question, but I'm going to tell you this one.

912
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 2: When we started a bone Collector, which was back in

913
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight, we didn't have much as far

914
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 2: as production money. We didn't have two nickels to rub together.

915
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 2: Whitetail Properties had let us have a piece of land

916
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 2: in Iowa. I drew an Iowa tag before we even

917
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 2: knew he was going to start bone Collector. So I

918
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 2: was going to Iowa and my dream was to kill

919
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty inch buck in the Midwest. Had

920
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 2: the Iowa tag. We start start a bone collector. Nick's

921
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,399
Speaker 2: gonna film me because we couldn't afford another camera guy,

922
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 2: and he had a background in a filming, you know,

923
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 2: for Real Tree before then. So we take this ground

924
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 2: and there was nobody lived on it. It was just

925
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 2: raw ground. So we went up there, had to do

926
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 2: all the scout and hanging stands, you know, and it

927
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 2: was a late October and I'd always wanted a Midwest hunt,

928
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,479
Speaker 2: you know, like a pre rut where you call the deer,

929
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 2: you know, if you're checking off all the pros and

930
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 2: all the pride factor things. This is what I was doing.

931
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 2: We was in the woods. You know, this was before

932
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 2: we didn't even have any intel from trail cameras, you know,

933
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 2: because this was back in two thousand and eight. We

934
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 2: didn't have time to check them. This is when you

935
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 2: was having to you know, download them on the computer

936
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 2: and stuff, and there wasn't cell phones and stuff. But

937
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 2: we went went in there, checked all the sign We

938
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 2: got in the stand one morning and deer was moving

939
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 2: right off the bat had a small eight porter come by,

940
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 2: a dough come by and went on off into the

941
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 2: holler and it's breaking daylight, so I said, I'm gonna

942
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 2: hit the horns together. I told Nick. I saw I

943
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 2: hit the horns together like this, and a little eight

944
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 2: porn come running back up out of there, and I

945
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 2: could see a bigger buck coming with them. So it

946
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 2: loses interest because it didn't see what it needed to see,

947
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 2: so it started fading off the hill. So I snorted

948
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 2: with he's at it, and turned him. Come all the

949
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 2: way back down. This is on the first season of

950
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 2: Bone Collector. Comes back down, shoot the deer at twenty

951
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 2: six yards. He runs fifty yards and piles up, and

952
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 2: I turned into like crying like a school girl. I'm

953
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 2: telling you I was. I couldn't believe. I mean, like

954
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 2: everything had come together. It's like I had sold my

955
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 2: business and we had started Bone Collector. Wasn't really sure

956
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 2: about the future. And you know we're in Nick's Toyota

957
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 2: four runner. It's like twelve years old. He was pulling

958
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 2: this little rabbit trailer behind us, and you know we

959
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 2: had to check off the pride factors. We did all

960
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 2: the scouting, hung all the stands. We're in the deep timber.

961
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 2: We called this buck in shot it, and it's our

962
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 2: first season a bone collector and me and Nicker. He's

963
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 2: crying a little bit, but I'm crying a whole lot,

964
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 2: and We're hugging in the stand and filming it. And

965
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 2: so that was very memorable because it was Iowa, my

966
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 2: first time hunting Iowa. It was so hard to draw

967
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 2: that tag. It takes four years to draw an Iowa

968
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 2: at archery tag. And it kind of kicked off a

969
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 2: new chapter, exactly. And you know, here we are still

970
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 2: living the dream, you know, fourteen fifteen years later. So

971
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 2: but there's so many they're all memorable in their own way.

972
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 2: You know. I had a really good year last year

973
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 2: in Georgia, killed two of my biggest bucks right here

974
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,800
Speaker 2: in Georgia, a one eighty six and a one sixty

975
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 2: one here on my farm in Georgia.

976
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: And then and that's the pride factor, yeah, exactly. But

977
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 1: all that time that you put into that land, I

978
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: mean when you bought that land, it was raw, right.

979
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 2: It was rough. I mean I couldn't afford some polished land.

980
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 2: I mean it has been polishing for for twenty years.

981
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: A lot of people have asked, I mean, this is

982
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: a great parlay into this. I know, I said I

983
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 1: was going to end it on that memorable hunt. But

984
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: there are a lot of people that are interested in

985
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: buying land. When you buy a piece of property, what

986
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 1: kind of work can you expect?

987
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 2: Oh? Lots, But it's a passion. I mean I have

988
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 2: the first where I live now. I bought twenty seven

989
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 2: acres back in nineteen ninety nine, and I was like,

990
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 2: I have really messed up. How how am I going

991
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 2: to afford this twenty seven acres And me and my

992
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 2: wife moved a single wide trailer on it, lived in

993
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 2: a single white trailer up until we built our house

994
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 2: in two thousand and nine. So, you know, and us

995
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 2: guys are that way. We'd rather have acreage square footage

996
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 2: correct always yeah so, and I a.

997
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: Shoe box exactly exactly so.

998
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 2: But every piece of land I've bought or leased or

999
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 2: been a part of, I've never regretted it. I mean

1000
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 2: there's never been like, man, I shouldn't have bought that,

1001
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 2: And it's almost there's so much fun involved in it.

1002
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 2: I'm speaking for myself, but I know that there's a

1003
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 2: lot of people out there that are outdoors people that

1004
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 2: would appreciate this too. You can buy a piece of

1005
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 2: land that is so rough, I mean extremely rough, and

1006
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 2: go in there and manipulate where the food pots are

1007
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 2: going to be, trim the limbs, and polish it. We

1008
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 2: call it polishing a turd is what we call it.

1009
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 2: So you polish it up and everything you do, it's

1010
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:54,760
Speaker 2: like you're going out there and you're not really thinking

1011
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 2: about it. You're working hard, and then you kick back

1012
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 2: after a long, hard weekend of working. It's like, and

1013
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 2: I just improved my land, you know what I mean.

1014
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 2: It's like, I don't know, I just can't. It's the

1015
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 2: ultimate pride factor, whether you hunt on it or not,

1016
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,720
Speaker 2: it's just things that you're doing. You see people taking

1017
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 2: in such pride in their yards. I mean even living

1018
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 2: in Atlanta. I just if you're just cutting your little

1019
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 2: eighth of an acre, there's so much pride there. But

1020
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 2: on a bigger scales, if you're an outdoorsman, whether it's

1021
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 2: twenty acres or whether it's your buddy that's got fourteen

1022
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 2: acres on the lake up there, or you buy a

1023
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 2: two hundred acre piece in Kansas just to see what

1024
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 2: you can do with it and turn it into something,

1025
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 2: there's such a pride factor and then you know you

1026
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 2: may not be hung on it, you polish it up

1027
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 2: and make sure it's the way you want it. You

1028
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 2: may sell it and then move on and buy you

1029
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 2: another bigger piece, you know, so you're climbing the ladder.

1030
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 2: But I have never regretted buying one piece of land.

1031
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 2: And the good thing about it is these guys that

1032
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 2: are in leases or hunting on, you know, state property.

1033
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 2: I grew up hunting on management areas myself, and I

1034
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 2: know how frustrating it can be. But once you buy

1035
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 2: that first piece, even if it's just a twenty five

1036
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 2: acre piece, it's like, nobody can tell me what to

1037
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 2: do on here. I am the man.

1038
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: What I've always loved about buying your own land is

1039
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: if you manage it right, that twenty five acres that

1040
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:16,720
Speaker 1: you might have can pull all the deer from all

1041
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: the three hundred acre farms because they're not doing anything

1042
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: with it.

1043
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was I bought my twenty seven acres

1044
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 2: because it adjoins twenty one hundred acres of a foundation

1045
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 2: and I knew I couldn't afford that, and nobody hunted there.

1046
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 2: So I went in there with my twenty seven acres

1047
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 2: in the early two thousands and I just planted so

1048
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 2: much food plot and had everything there. The analysis I

1049
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 2: use is it's the basking Robbins at the shopping mall.

1050
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:42,359
Speaker 1: That's right.

1051
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 2: Folks are coming, so they're coming the deer coming to

1052
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:45,800
Speaker 2: eat