WEBVTT - Big Red Rage - Grigson Provides Details On Draftees 0:00:02.440 --> 0:00:05.880 Strap on the boots and scrape up the knuckles ahead. 0:00:05.960 --> 0:00:10.799 He got Jack. This is the big red Rain presented 0:00:10.880 --> 0:00:15.159 by Santanford in Gilbert. Harry's gonna score touchdown. Slam to 0:00:15.240 --> 0:00:18.200 the ground by Buddha Baker like a torpedo. He came 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:23.520 flying into the backfield. The rage is brought to you 0:00:23.600 --> 0:00:29.400 by satan Ford in Gilbert. Or are you Santanford State Farm? 0:00:29.600 --> 0:00:33.360 Talk to an agent today at eight hundred State Farm 0:00:33.400 --> 0:00:38.200 and buy Arizona Cardinals podcasts. Visit Hacy Cardinals dot com, 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:47.080 Slash podcasts, The Rods, Rising Guard, temperaturizing vision, flurring rage, 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:51.040 taking it over. Here's Paul KELVC. Get the popcorn ready, 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:53.920 It's gonna be a show and Ron will flip. It 0:00:54.080 --> 0:01:02.440 doesn't get any better than that. Unleash the far long time, 0:01:05.520 --> 0:01:07.960 and notice that I'll go with media member because then 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:09.720 I want to get into the whole argument on whether 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:12.080 you are a member of the media or not a 0:01:12.200 --> 0:01:15.440 media figure round wolf Lee. You need three things. I 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:19.160 said three things in your arsenal these days, you're a 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:22.560 repertoire to be part of the media. Twenty twenty one 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:25.600 Are you ready? And a mock draft? Do you have 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:28.039 a mock draft. Wolf, You ain't Jack without a mock 0:01:28.160 --> 0:01:30.600 You've yet to, really, from what I've seen, publish an 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:33.759 annual mock draft. Paul, I'll never have a mock draft, 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:36.600 as you all know, but I will mock some drafts. 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:41.119 A pod. Do you have a podcast? Okay? You know, no, 0:01:41.520 --> 0:01:44.000 you need a pod where you are the expert, the 0:01:44.080 --> 0:01:48.280 unquestioned expert. No one shall question you, the football expert 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:51.240 on your own pod. That's hence on poly podcast over here. 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:56.280 So there's number number three would be fantasy football. I mean, yeah, 0:01:56.920 --> 0:02:00.000 now said, hundreds of millions play fantasy football, and so okay, 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:03.240 you know, I know you probably still outsource your fantasy 0:02:03.280 --> 0:02:07.320 football team. Can I just say right now? I still 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:10.160 it is the bane of the National Football League. The 0:02:10.200 --> 0:02:13.920 fact that fantasy football influences a lot of the decisions 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:18.040 I think that come out of a commissioner's office. Interesting, Well, 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:20.399 that's a whole nother show. Well it is, Paul, Yes 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:23.920 it is. I'll get my podcast. You can cover that, 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:26.760 that's right on your podcast, or you can assemble your 0:02:26.760 --> 0:02:29.840 mock draft Accordingly. I bring all these up because all 0:02:29.880 --> 0:02:32.560 three have one thing in common. What's that belly? All 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:38.320 revolve around being an NFL decision maker, a personnel decision 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:41.639 maker to some degree. And with that in mind, guess 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:44.560 what forget about the two of us, We're bringing on 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:47.600 the director of a player personnel Drew Grigson will be 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:50.760 our guest tonight as the Cardinals are coming off rookie 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:54.000 mini camp and obviously the NFL Draft, and here we 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:57.000 go with the offseason workouts and straight ahead tea minus 0:02:57.080 --> 0:03:00.160 less than a month until the mandatory mini camp is 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:02.680 like so on right here in late May. So, PAULI, 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:05.200 he refreshed my memory here. Didn't we actually have Drew 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:08.040 Grigson on a couple of weeks ago? A few weeks ago? Right? 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:10.720 Didn't we have him mine? And didn't he just destroy it? 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:15.000 And I mean that in a very good way? Yes? So, um, 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:18.639 here's the game plan, wolf, Less of us, more of Drew. Okay, 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:22.520 maybe make way for him to give more insight, because 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:24.880 you're right when he was talking, he was excellent. So 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:28.280 is that what you're saying he does? Should I don't know, 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:30.480 he's got you know, he's got too many Scotter reports 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:33.760 to file, but uh yeah, he should put it that way. 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:36.280 And do we not have questions around here, Are you 0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:40.160 kidding me? Look at last year's first round pick, look 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:42.840 at this year's first round pick, and you don't have 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:45.600 to look very far to see where they're going to 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:48.840 be playing. In fact, Cliff Kingsbury was asked about Isaiah 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:53.880 Simmons and Zavn Collins. Two really fast trees, which is good. 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:57.440 But when they line up, they'll when the prettiest linebacker 0:03:57.520 --> 0:03:59.800 due award when they line up side by side him. 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:04.600 And those are two big, long, athletic cats, and so 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:07.840 we know there's gonna growing pains obviously, two guys who 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:11.120 are getting, you know, indoctrinated to the league. Isaiah played 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:13.680 some last year, but as far as the full time 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:15.920 starter goes, is to be kind of his first run 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:18.960 at it. But they're athletic enough to make up for 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:21.640 some of the you know, experience they don't have, and 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:24.120 we're excited to grow with them and you know, see 0:04:24.120 --> 0:04:26.279 what they can to come together. Paul, Certainly not the 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:29.400 terminology I would use. Okay, certainly not that, Paully, But 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:31.560 I can tell you right now, Cliff Kingsbury's gotta have 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:34.640 some Texas in them. Just gotta have a little bit 0:04:34.640 --> 0:04:38.000 of Texas the only coaches I've ever heard used pretty 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:41.240 to describe a football player. They come from Texas, Paul, 0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:44.520 they come from Oklahoma, and they come from Missouri. Those 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:48.200 three states right there. Man, they love using it. I 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:51.120 know a coach Paul, one of the most grizzled coaches 0:04:51.160 --> 0:04:53.479 on the face of the planet, A guy that I 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:56.760 love and respect, a guy that was a very hard coach. 0:04:57.080 --> 0:04:59.560 All all he did was talking about how pretty football 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:03.640 player looked in uniforms. Right, But he always asked the question, 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:08.000 now can you play? And that is what matters? Is 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:12.039 it not? Well? This time here, I don't necessarily mind it. 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:14.279 I'm guessing if you want to be a mean, rough 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:17.080 and tough middle linebacker, you probably don't want that as 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:20.040 your moniker going forward. But when they're only in shorts 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:23.760 and there's no physicality to speak of, you know there 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:27.119 can be worse things to be called. Then okay, because 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:28.880 that's all you're looking at. You're looking at how did 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:32.000 these guys appear to the eye. You can't truly tell 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:36.159 if they have game or not. In fact, Zamon Collins 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:38.520 was asked about his game and what part of his 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:41.840 game he wants to elevate. You got to elevate all 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:43.920 your game coming in as a rookie to play at 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:46.200 this level, you know, no matter where you're at, you 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:48.040 got to elevate every single part of your game because 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:49.960 those guys who have been here for four or five years, 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:52.039 they know way more than you, and they're way better 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:55.960 than you. They have efficient movement, they have them efficient minds. 0:05:56.320 --> 0:05:59.440 You can see it whenever you watch them, especially on Sundays, 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:02.240 compared to you know, what we're doing here right now, 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:03.840 and we just try it as a team, just kind 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:06.119 of build to get to that. Man. I love the fact, Polly, 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:08.600 that he was talking about efficient minds. Did you hear 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:11.880 him right there, Paul? I mean, honestly, that is so 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:14.960 odd next level, that's so two point zero for a 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:17.600 rookie right there. I love the fact that it's not 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:20.400 just about the physicality of it all. We all know 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:24.599 the game of football is an in your face, physical confrontation, 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:26.919 There's no doubt about that. And so much of the 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:29.560 time when you get a young guy like Zavian Collins Pauly, 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:33.840 he'll focus on the physical. What I love is just 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:36.279 listening to him on that cut right there, he's talking 0:06:36.279 --> 0:06:40.119 about the mental and the mind as well. That's huge. Well, 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:43.400 it wasn't too long ago. Larry Foote went from Arizona 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:46.599 Cardinals starting middle linebacker to the linebackers coach the very 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:49.040 next year. And let's be honest, his last two years 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:51.280 in the league, how did he get by? How did 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:54.600 he make plays at an advanced age with high mileage 0:06:54.600 --> 0:06:57.719 on that body, with what he had between the years, right, Wolf, 0:06:57.839 --> 0:07:01.200 Well that he was just one ca Paul. Yeah, I 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:04.760 mean he was a step ahead mentally. That's what allowed 0:07:04.760 --> 0:07:07.640 Footy to stay about it Pall. On the field, it's 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:10.160 the experience of it all, it really is. It's not 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:13.320 just about knowing what to do. It's not just the 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:17.200 mentality of it all that matters, Polly. It's the experience. 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:20.600 It's going out there and actually seeing yourself do it successfully. 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:25.160 It's the reason why these mini camps, the rookie mini 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:29.240 camp that has been going on of course the OTAs Paul. 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:32.800 It's so important that you get it down mentally because 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:35.960 before you can actually do you have to know what 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:39.800 to do, and that's gonna take a lot of experience. 0:07:39.840 --> 0:07:41.680 There's going to be some good and there's going to 0:07:41.760 --> 0:07:45.000 be some bad, and that will extend into the season. 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:47.080 Mark my words, He's not going to get it all 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:49.840 right all the time, but let's hope he gets it 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:53.000 right a vast majority of those times. Look, I've said 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:56.200 this on Cardinals Underground, the podcast that I've talked to 0:07:56.200 --> 0:07:58.320 a number of people who do not expect Jordan Hicks 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:01.040 to be on this roster when training camp starts. Yes, 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:04.920 their job appears to be Zavian Collins from the get go. 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:07.560 And last week here on The Big Red Rage, we 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:11.600 asked Buddha Baker about what the rookie should expect. The 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:15.200 biggest challenge he'll probably get is the speed of the game, 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:18.880 calling him you know guy, He's like you guys, he's seen. 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:22.640 He's huge, very fast. He thinks of hisself as a 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:25.120 Brian er Lacker, So it looks like a guy who 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:28.040 can shoot the gap and you know, play the man, 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:30.560 plays zone, do the things that we want him to 0:08:30.600 --> 0:08:33.840 do on a defense. So I definitely think he's gonna 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:36.440 be well in this league. I mean, if er Lacker 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:40.120 is truly the comp then okay, I get it. Let 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:45.120 him make mistakes and use his athleticism to compensate. Jordan 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:47.680 Hicks is limited. He has that ceiling that no matter 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:49.720 how much he knows, he's always going to be limited 0:08:50.120 --> 0:08:53.640 physically with this athleticism. There's just even though he knows 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:55.640 to cover the running back out of the backfield, can 0:08:55.679 --> 0:08:58.360 he do it. So there is that upside, obviously, and 0:08:58.400 --> 0:09:00.599 a guy like Zavian Collins who has all the measurables, 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:03.400 all the athleticism. But then again, there he is, to 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:06.080 your point, Wolf and he's thinking and maybe he's swimming mentally. 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:09.240 Thank goodness for three preseason games this year. I can't 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:11.839 say believe I'm saying thank goodness for preseason games. It's 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:14.720 gonna be invaluable even though teams are running vanilla schemes. 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:17.560 I get it. But as soon as Week one starts 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:19.880 against the Tennessee Titans, he's lined up and he's calling 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:22.040 that defense, and then he realizes, wait a minute, what 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:25.000 is Tennessee doing lining up a defensive end at tailback 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:27.680 because that guy's six three, two fifty and here he 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:30.360 comes downhill. Yeah, here's a great thing about that, Polly. 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:33.720 I think that the Tennessee Titans and the Minnesota Vikings 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:36.000 are gonna see a lot of eight man fronts. I 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:39.040 think they're gonna see a lot of Buddha Baker down 0:09:39.080 --> 0:09:42.520 in the box. That's the good news. Polly Jaalen Thompson 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:45.040 maybe playing the center of the field and Buddha Baker 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:47.679 down as a box safety. We all know how good 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:50.120 he is around the line of scrimmage. We all know 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:53.240 how Vans Joseph likes to blitz him as well. I 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:56.440 think Buddha Baker will be that box safety down there. 0:09:56.480 --> 0:10:00.760 And Buddha is so smart, you know that, Polly so good. 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:03.280 He's like having another coach. He's the guy who gets 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:06.920 everybody in the secondary lined up. Boodhoo will be able 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:10.319 to help. I think Zaven Collins, by being down in 0:10:10.360 --> 0:10:12.679 that box help him with a lot of checks. I 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:15.839 would imagine Van's Joseph might even lean on Boodho a 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:18.520 little bit in regard to making sure the rookies getting 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:22.400 it right. You know, maybe the most telling thing worthwhile 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:25.280 comment of all a rookie minicamp is when Zaven Collins 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:27.720 paused when he was asked about preparing and actually able 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:30.440 to be on a field as opposed to doing it virtually, 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:32.719 and he shook his head and he said, I don't 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:35.520 see how you could do this virtually. So that gave me. 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:39.440 That gave me a lot of encouragement. When it comes 0:10:39.440 --> 0:10:43.160 to Isaiah Simmons, you maybe begin to understand why he 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:46.280 was behind the eight ball correct and then yeah, so 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:49.120 you go okay. Hopefully that learning curve was that much 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:51.280 more difficult for a first rounder who never got on 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:53.880 the field in the preseason, the word zero preseason games. 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:56.240 He was thrust into it from Week one against the Niners. 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:58.920 And we know Kyle Shannon was smart enough to exploit 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:01.000 that with the Raheem most on the first touchdown, we 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:03.040 get it. With a back out of the backfield, we 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:06.960 get all that. But hopefully, hopefully this early season, this 0:11:07.080 --> 0:11:10.280 offseason work is going to be invaluable because just the 0:11:10.280 --> 0:11:11.960 look on Zamon Collins face when he has asked that 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:14.680 question makes you realize the degree of difficulty those rookies 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:16.720 are facing in the year twenty twenty one of our 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:19.640 Lord Paul going forward to the National Football League, I 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:23.000 can tell you right now that having your Navarro Bowman 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:26.640 and Patrick Willis, if in fact that's what Zaban Collins 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:29.720 and Isaiah Simmons turn out to be, that is going 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:34.000 to be huge for the next decade. A single game 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:38.000 tickets on sale now Godasy Cardinals dot com slash game ticks. 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:41.520 That's Asy Cardinals dot Com Slash Game t i X, 0:11:42.000 --> 0:11:45.680 as advertised. The Director of Player Personnel Drew Grigson is 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:48.880 up next. We'll go through the rookie draft class exactly 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:51.240 what else is in store this offseason. It is the 0:11:51.320 --> 0:12:00.240 Big Red Rage presented by Santan Ford in Gilbert. We're 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:03.760 the sixteenth pick in the twenty twenty one NFL Draft, 0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:10.880 The Arizona Cardinal select Zavin Collins, linebacker and Tulsa. I 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:13.280 got it right here on my phone, told billion Vance. 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:17.040 I said, starter day one, right here back starter day one. 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:21.600 You got it big, fast and smarter. Put that on camera. Guys. 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:28.040 It's been a great day so far. It's gonna be hard, hard, 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:32.320 dress getting better. Zavin has got a rare size speed 0:12:32.880 --> 0:12:36.200 atalyticism combination, and it actually is a little bit of 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:38.520 a throwback. Hey bro, just turn it up through your corner. 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:41.280 Don we go to work, little thing fan, Hey one, 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:44.560 the little thing. Well, let's go a draft the draft. 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:48.280 There you go. Good. Hopefully I can go out there 0:12:48.320 --> 0:12:50.640 and just show them I mix happy who everyone says 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:57.080 I am? Season four, Episode two of Cardinals Flight Plan 0:12:57.240 --> 0:13:01.079 coming our way this coming Monday May twenty four, seven 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:04.120 pm on the Cardinals YouTube channel. That's YouTube dot com 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:07.800 slash a Z Cardinals. And we heard it right there 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:10.520 the GM Steve Kim, the inside the all access from 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:13.199 the Cardinals war room, first Round Draft night and the 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:18.600 quote starter day one put that on camera. Oh boy, 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:23.000 here we go. How about episode two of Drew Grigson, 0:13:23.040 --> 0:13:25.280 the Director of Player Personnel right now and the big 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:28.080 red rage instead of It's All About You presented by 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:31.680 Santan Ford and Gilbert, It's all about Drew, mister Grigson. 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:34.160 How are we doing tonight? Guys? How are you doing tonight? 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:36.560 We're doing? Good man? How's the body fat right now? 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:42.679 Deep ball man? Good well? If we don't need a 0:13:42.720 --> 0:13:44.319 lame joke about when he gets around to the big 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:46.600 weight in the offseason, you're gonna jump in, Okay, none 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:49.720 of that. There's gonna be no Tim Tebow questions, Wolf, 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:52.679 no Larry Fitzgerald questions. We're just getting right into it. 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:54.959 I mean, Drew. If there's one thing I know, PAULI 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:58.600 pencil neck, it's standing next two NFL players. I've been 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:00.720 doing it for two decades in the Cardinals sideline. Okay, 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:04.040 And when I stood next to Zavan Collins at Cardinals 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:08.000 rookie minicam, I'm like, this guy's the middle linebacker, six 0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:11.040 five two sixty. I pick it up from there. What 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:14.480 did you see over the three days? That's that's kind 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:16.000 of the feeling I had when I put on a tape, 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:18.680 because when I first watched him, you see, you know, 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:21.160 you see, you see a big man. He's athletic, he's running, 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:23.040 you know, he plays bath They could you could tell 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:25.360 right away he's about a four six guy. But then 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:27.040 you keep going back and forth and looking at it. 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:30.240 This can't be right. It's six five two sixty because 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:33.680 you don't you just don't see Mike's or second level 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:37.120 players that size and especially with that skill set. So 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:39.280 you know, and and then again you see how big 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:41.000 he how how broad his shoulders are, how thick he 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:43.720 is through his lower how just well put together he is. 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:46.360 And then the athlete he's, he's, he's he's a special player, 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:48.320 and he's going to be a special player for for 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:51.400 our organization going forward. And Drew other than the quarterback. 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:54.560 When you're in shorts and helmets, is it easier to 0:14:54.640 --> 0:15:00.840 evaluate players the further away you get from the ball. Uh, 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:04.480 you know I would say that, Uh, that's a that's 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:07.120 a good question. I you know, for for Zaven, he's 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:09.320 right over it. Uh you know, he's playing Mike, he's 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:11.240 playing right in the middle, and he's got such a range. 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:13.880 He's a sideline the sideline player. UM. But you know 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:16.840 it's it's equal across the board with uh with with 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:19.320 you know, value player valuating players or whether it's over 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:21.840 the ball or off the ball, um outside or inside, 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:24.440 and he's got everyone kind of gets the same same scrutiny. 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:28.680 So when you hear Steve Kin the GM declare on 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:31.400 camera and say put it on cameras starter day one, 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:36.320 Cliff Kingsbury has reiterated that what's the risk reward of 0:15:36.400 --> 0:15:39.360 a rookie at that position from day one? Considering that 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:41.200 guy in a lot of ways is the quarterback of 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:44.520 the defense. Oh that that that is the first concern. 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:47.560 But that concern is was quickly taken away when you 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:49.440 start interviewing the kid in the year about it the background, 0:15:49.480 --> 0:15:51.520 you start talking to coaching staff there, so you know, 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:52.920 if we're going to give the kid the green die, 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:55.680 you know, he's calling the defense for us. He's he's uh, 0:15:56.040 --> 0:15:58.680 you know, setting the front, he's making adjustments. And that's 0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:00.440 one of the first things you noticed out of community 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:02.640 camp with him was how comfortable he was doing that, 0:16:02.880 --> 0:16:05.120 how quick he was to make adjustments, and how great 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:07.400 of a communicator he was, which is exactly what you 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:09.000 want to see, like you said, just on the flip 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:11.320 side with the quarterback that you want to see and 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:13.440 that's that's what we saw, was zavn Um. You know, 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:16.080 these first few practices that that he's had with us 0:16:16.480 --> 0:16:18.920 Um and you know, there's not much you can see 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:21.520 right now in these practices other than that, and that 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:24.040 give you a lot of confidence going forward with handing 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:26.160 the kids, you know, handing him the keys of the car, Drew, 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:28.920 do you think that Buddha baker Um would be able 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:31.640 to help him out a little bit in certain situations 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:35.200 and just knowing how around the box Bood is going 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:38.920 to be absolutely but you hope he doesn't have to, right, 0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:41.760 you know, with with with Buddha's eyes and his instincts, 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:43.840 his awareness and his ability to know where everyone needs 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:45.800 to be here, he'll he will help out. But I 0:16:45.840 --> 0:16:48.800 expect Zaven. I expect Zaven to know where Buddha is 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:51.640 supposed to be, where JJ is supposed to be, where 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:53.760 Channel is supposed to be. That you know, that's his job. Again, 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:56.000 that's why we drafted him, and that's again the confidence 0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:58.120 that we have in him and what we expected him 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:01.160 going forward. Director of Player Personnel Drew Grigson on the 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:03.560 Big Red Rage presented by satan Ford and Gilbert. On 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:06.640 draft night, Michael Bidwell told us from inside the war 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:09.920 room there was a little bit of anxiety over whether 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:13.280 Zavin Collins would make it past pick fifteen, and later 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:15.920 the Patriot shared that if it wasn't for the quarterback 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:18.800 Mac Jones, z Avan Gollins would have been their guy. 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:21.920 So take us into the draft night because we haven't 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:24.400 talked to you about that yet. And you know how 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:28.159 much consternation was there as it was unfolding. Well, you 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:32.199 know when when we interviewed Zavan over zoom and he 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:34.960 hung up, he you know, he pressed the leave button, 0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:37.359 we all looked at each other in the room like, 0:17:37.440 --> 0:17:40.440 oh boy, Like it's almost like we knew that that 0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:42.199 was a guy, that this is going to be a 0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:44.920 consideration at sixteen. And then its evolved and it became 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:47.000 what it was and that's always in the back of 0:17:47.040 --> 0:17:49.240 your mind as as the guys are falling and we 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:51.399 start to look at is Zaven gonna get past this 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:53.080 steam where he's gonna get past this team? And then 0:17:53.280 --> 0:17:55.400 sure enough he fell right to us and we were 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:57.800 able to pick him. And again we feel great about 0:17:57.840 --> 0:17:59.560 him at sixteen. But I think we got to steal 0:17:59.560 --> 0:18:02.520 at six So has there been in another rookie when 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:04.840 you think of the rookies and rookie mini camp, has 0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:08.840 there been a rookie that has actually stood out? He's 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:10.439 the first one that I would just going back to 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:13.560 everything I said when with his command of the huddle, 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:15.840 with his command of the defense, his ability to make 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:18.000 adjustments even before he gets him from vance, I mean 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:20.920 he is, he's knocking stuff out, you know, vants telling 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:23.080 me that if he makes a mistake, that's it. It 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:27.560 doesn't happen again. Um, you know, his his ability to 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:29.720 h to communicate with the rest of the defense, move 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:31.919 people around, and be confident doing it. Now. I know 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:34.840 it's still rookies, but it could be different again when 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:38.080 he's looking at J. J. Watton and Chandler Jones, Buddha Baker. 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:40.159 But again I think it was his maturity and the 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:42.160 respect that he's going to get from those guys who's 0:18:42.160 --> 0:18:44.480 going to be an easy trans Just listening to you 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:47.919 right there, that really bodes well that this kid is 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:52.119 doing as well as he is in rookie mini camps. Absolutely, 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:54.919 and again they're still noting a ton at him, but 0:18:55.280 --> 0:18:58.000 just watching him out there. Again, I was, I left 0:18:58.040 --> 0:19:00.720 the first couple of practices to day and wallkay, all right, 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:03.239 this is this is this, this was pretty good right now. 0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:06.840 So we're at about him, as you know, and having 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:11.320 him um inside call of defense, uh, with Isaiah next 0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:13.159 to him, and you know, Steve heard Steve mentioned that 0:19:13.160 --> 0:19:15.760 those are those are two gigantic freaks in the middle 0:19:15.760 --> 0:19:19.920 of the field and with two incredible skill sets for 0:19:19.920 --> 0:19:22.760 for a Mike and mow for us. So again, I mean, 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:24.840 you get a quarterback count the line of scrimmage, there's 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:26.639 a lot to consider when you see ninety nine and 0:19:26.680 --> 0:19:29.560 fifty five and the two inside linebackers and there's Buddha Bakers. 0:19:29.640 --> 0:19:32.200 So yeah, there's a lot that Vans has to work 0:19:32.240 --> 0:19:34.800 with there. How About on offense and the round two 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:37.960 receiver Rondale Moore, you talk about first impressions were like man, 0:19:38.320 --> 0:19:41.480 every day is leg day for this guy. Oh my goodness, 0:19:41.560 --> 0:19:44.639 Rondale Moore. He looks like a specimen. Yeah, you know, 0:19:44.680 --> 0:19:46.240 and you look at the height on paper and it 0:19:46.280 --> 0:19:48.480 says five seven. I talked him. I was in the 0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:50.640 dining hall with him the other day, and he might 0:19:50.680 --> 0:19:52.919 be five seven. But you saw Paulie. I mean he is. 0:19:53.200 --> 0:19:55.399 He has put together and he has slapped together, and 0:19:55.440 --> 0:19:59.000 he's not a frailed, meek individual. He is a solid 0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:01.520 one hundred and eighty five sounds. And he's a kid 0:20:01.560 --> 0:20:03.800 that I've been following at producing day one when he 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:07.080 stepped down the field against Northwestern in twenty eighteens. My 0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:09.520 brother was a captain at Purdue UH in ninety four, 0:20:09.520 --> 0:20:12.199 so it's a program that I was following, and just 0:20:12.240 --> 0:20:14.119 going back to that that year in eighteen that he 0:20:14.160 --> 0:20:17.840 had it was special. Uh you know college accolades, you know, 0:20:17.880 --> 0:20:21.240 all American teams and trophies, and that doesn't necessarily translate 0:20:21.280 --> 0:20:24.960 to to pro production. But one interesting fact about the 0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:26.359 kid is, I mean he was he was only the 0:20:26.440 --> 0:20:30.600