1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants huts. Let's Giants. 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: Dont come on my Giants bubble. 3 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 2: Give me some job. 4 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: Part of the Giants podcast Network, Let's roll. 5 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 2: Welcome to the latest edition of the Giants Total Podcast, 6 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 2: presented by Citizens, the official bank of the New York Giants. 7 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 2: Two games left in the regular season, both at home. 8 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:22,159 Speaker 2: First up the La Rams, who are fighting for a 9 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 2: wildcard spot and currently sit in sixth place in the 10 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 2: NFC standings. The delve boor into this matchup. We're now 11 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 2: joined by a man who played eight years in the 12 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 2: NFL as a linebacker with three different teams, the Raiders, 13 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 2: the Jaguars, and the Bills. A colleague of mine on 14 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 2: Serious Exam NFL Radio, and you could also hear them 15 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 2: as part of the pre and postgame shows on the 16 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:44,879 Speaker 2: Rams Radio network, none other than Burk Morrison. Turkey got 17 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 2: Lance Meado here on Giants dot Com. Always good to 18 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 2: chat with you, hopol as well. Has everything on your end? 19 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 3: Everything is good right, We're you know, pulling away, going away, 20 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 3: getting ready for hopefully a playoff push for the Rams. 21 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 3: But they're doing great. Man. It's been fun watching this team, 22 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 3: especially over the last couple weeks since their bye week 23 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 3: kind of put themselves in this position. But they got 24 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 3: a big game against the Giants, and we'll see how 25 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 3: this works out for them. Hopefully it maybe goes in 26 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 3: their favor. 27 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 2: Well, I want to start with the turnaround that you 28 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 2: just referred to, Kirk, because they had the week ten 29 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 2: by five and won in the last six games. They 30 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 2: started off three and six. The offensive numbers clearly jump 31 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 2: off the page. What's been the difference if you had 32 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 2: to pinpoint one specific facet what has triggered this very 33 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 2: strong stretch here? 34 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 3: Kyrian Williams. That's it. I'll just leave with that that lass. Now, look, 35 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 3: Kyri Williams has come back, and remember he came out 36 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 3: of the bye week. He was actually on ir you know, 37 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 3: he was hurt prior to the bye week, so he 38 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 3: had to spend four games away. When he's gotten back, 39 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 3: this offense has been extremely balanced. We've seen a much 40 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 3: different offense. One that seems that Matthew Stafford hasn't had 41 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 3: to put all the pressure on himself. He's been able 42 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 3: to kind of disperse the football. Hooka Nikoua has been 43 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 3: one of the best rookies in all of football. This 44 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 3: year regardless of position. But then you still have a 45 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 3: guy like Cooper Cup. You have DeMarcus Robinson who's come along, 46 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 3: but I think it's really been Kien Williams. He's been 47 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 3: the real reason why I think that this Rams offense 48 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 3: has been truly balanced. The defense has been steady all 49 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 3: season long, but I think Kira Williams has brought I 50 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 3: think just a different energy to this football team. And 51 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 3: you mentioned it just a second ago. The Rams are 52 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 3: five to one with that only loss coming to I 53 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 3: think the team that we think is the best team 54 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 3: in football, that's the Baltimore Ravens, and they lost on 55 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 3: an overtime punt return for a touchdown. 56 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, they were right in the thickest thing. So I 57 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 2: think that says a lot. The caliber of the opponent 58 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 2: generally has to be taken into consideration. I want to 59 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 2: focus on the several offensive weapons that you mentioned because 60 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 2: Nakua Cup and Williams. Interestingly, Kirk, I've only been together 61 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 2: for seven games this season because of the injuries that 62 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 2: you were hitting on. So how much is what we're 63 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 2: seeing right now just a matter of Stafford now has, 64 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 2: as well as Sean McVay, all the weapons at their disposal, 65 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 2: and we didn't get a glimpse of this in the 66 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 2: earlier stages of the season. 67 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 3: Well, I think that's the crazy part about all of 68 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 3: this Lance is that this trio was something that we 69 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 3: never even imagined. If you look at the way the 70 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 3: Rams were constructed, especially coming out of preseason, it was 71 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 3: really obviously Matthew Stafford, Cooper Cup, and they also had 72 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 3: Cam Akers, who was their starting running back. The Rams 73 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 3: moved off of cam Akers pretty quickly early in the 74 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 3: regular season because they really liked what Kyran Williams could provide. Well, then, 75 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 3: while you're also going through a process of Cooper Cup, 76 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 3: who was injured early on and didn't start with the 77 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 3: team as a healthy receiver. He started on ir So 78 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 3: if you think about it, they never really got things going, 79 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 3: and now all of a sudden, all three guys are 80 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 3: playing together truly for the first time, and you're seeing 81 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 3: everything start to take shape an offense that's been growing throughout. 82 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 3: They didn't have an identity. The identity has now been set. 83 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 3: So it's crazy to think that this trio that you 84 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 3: mentioned of Williams, Kunakua and Cup. I don't think any 85 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 3: Rams fan or anybody following the team would have thought 86 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 3: these three guys would be the catalyst for this offense. 87 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 3: It's been fun to watch because you have the youth 88 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,039 Speaker 3: and then you have the experience with Cooper Cup. So 89 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 3: it's it's been fun to watch weekend and week out. 90 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:30,239 Speaker 3: But Matthew Stafford, honestly, he's the guy leading this leading 91 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 3: this is this train. I mean, he's the conductor of 92 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:34,559 Speaker 3: it all. And that's the reason why I really feel 93 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 3: like this team has been in good hands, especially we've 94 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 3: seen down the stretch. 95 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 2: Well using your parallel. The conductor, though, was not fully 96 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 2: healthy a few weeks ago. Okay, he didn't have full 97 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 2: strength to conduct the orchestra because of the strength Thumbkirk. 98 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 2: If you recall he missed the Packers game. I had 99 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 2: by week to rest up in December. What a month 100 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 2: so far? Ten touchdowns, no interceptions. Was it simply also 101 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 2: the thumb bothering enough or is it just a matter 102 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 2: of going back to Kirk what you talked about. Now 103 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 2: he has all his weapons. How do you see what 104 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 2: has transpired at least with the efficiency of the passing 105 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 2: game with him at the controls. 106 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 3: You know, I'll go back again to I think while 107 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 3: the Rams were five to one, since this bye week, 108 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 3: it goes back to Kyron Williams, the team has been 109 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 3: more balanced, and being more balanced lance, I think you'll 110 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 3: see Matthew Stafford has been under center a lot more 111 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 3: than we saw in the beginning of the season. Him 112 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 3: being under center, it brings a dilemma for defense because 113 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 3: you always have to respect the threat of run. And 114 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 3: I think it's also given him more opportunities in the 115 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 3: play action pass game, which has gotten Pooka Nakua and 116 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 3: Cooper Cup down the field and giving them a ton 117 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 3: of open looks. And I really think the emergence of 118 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 3: DeMarcus Robinson, especially down in the red zone to to 119 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 3: atwill Is, a former second round pick of the Rams, 120 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 3: a guy who they've been trying to bring along, and 121 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,799 Speaker 3: he's been sort of the big play down the field threat. 122 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 3: But they've getten into they've gotten into the red zone, 123 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 3: and they didn't really have a go to guy. DeMarcus 124 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 3: Robinson has been that go to guy. He's got a 125 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 3: touchdown in his last four consecutive games, and I think 126 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 3: that's where we've seen Matthew Stafford really start the blossom 127 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 3: of late is that he does now, he's got answers, right, 128 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 3: there's a lot of questions from defenses, but yet he's 129 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 3: got answers with DeMarcus Robinson. He has a running game 130 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 3: with Kyron Williams. And I think the bigger thing that 131 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 3: I haven't really even talked about, he's got a lot 132 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 3: of trust in this offensive line. A Lark Jackson is 133 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 3: the guy who was an undrafted free agent who's starting 134 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:41,239 Speaker 3: at left tackle. Can you believe that they drafted Steve 135 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 3: Avila with their first pick this year in the draft 136 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 3: out of TCU played in a National Championship game Coleman 137 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 3: Shelton at center. They went and traded for Kevin Dotson 138 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 3: from the Pittsburgh Steelers right to get physical upfront. That's 139 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 3: what I seen. The mentality and Rob Havenstein, who was 140 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 3: actually he and Aaron Donald the last two Saint Louis 141 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 3: Rams that are part of this football team. He's been 142 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 3: a mainstay. But this offensive line I think has not 143 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 3: got enough credit. And I think that's also added to 144 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 3: what you just asked me about just the December for 145 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 3: Matthew Stafford, all of those factors I think have come 146 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 3: into play. 147 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 4: You love turf, you're good at it. So you start 148 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 4: a turf fizz business grows, your savings grow, become the 149 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 4: most celebrated name in turf. Are you ready for all 150 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 4: that life rings? 151 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 2: The huddle is brought to you by Citizens, the official 152 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 2: bank of the New York Giants. 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So I know, I'm asking you maybe 162 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 2: a simplistic answer, and you may be alluded to a 163 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 2: little bit, but not as a Rams offensive line that 164 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 2: gave up fifty nine sacks last season was played by injuries. 165 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 2: Game of musical chairs. Go from bottom three now top four. 166 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 2: They've only allowed twenty eight sacks and to your point, 167 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 2: everything's clicking, because that's hard to do. Kirk, because you 168 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 2: can attest to in the snap of a finger within 169 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 2: the span of one off season. 170 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, the Rams learned a lot about their football team 171 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:36,319 Speaker 3: last year. They went through four quarterbacks Matthew Stafford, Bryce Perkins, 172 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 3: John Walford, and then Baker Mayfield, who actually finished it up. 173 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 3: But the bigger part was that offensive line, which came 174 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 3: coming into last season was honestly people thought was going 175 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 3: to be the strength, and all of a sudden you 176 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 3: lost guys along the offensive line and it just became 177 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 3: a revolving door. And I believe they led the league 178 00:08:56,440 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 3: last year in terms of different combinations to start all 179 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 3: seventeen games they played. So at the time, it looked 180 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 3: to be sort of a situation that was a negative, 181 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 3: but it actually turned into a positive because the Rams 182 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 3: had to play so many guys that they honestly started 183 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 3: to get guys who with some experience. Guys got a 184 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 3: chance to play and got a chance to learn the system. 185 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 3: And so what was a negative last year going in 186 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 3: the training camp became a really big positive. They were 187 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:28,839 Speaker 3: also able to train guys at different positions, so they 188 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 3: were taking a guy like Joe Noteboom, who was supposed 189 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 3: to be the heir parent to Andrew Whitworth who retired. 190 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 3: He got beat out by a Lark Jackson, who was 191 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 3: one of those guys that played in last year along 192 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 3: the offensive line, and so Noteboom became a swing guy. 193 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 3: So he's able to play guard, he's able to play tackle. 194 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 3: So if a guy is hurt, you just plug in Noteboom, 195 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 3: and he's been sort of a swing guy that's kind 196 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 3: of kept I think this Rams offensive line intact and 197 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 3: whole Coleman Sheldon has really done it. But I really 198 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 3: believe that this Steve Avila, I call him a a 199 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 3: building with feet. I mean, this dude is a young guy, 200 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 3: he's nasty, and he really I think has changed this 201 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 3: offensive line. They're really good in between center guards. These 202 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 3: three guys, that middle of their offensive line is something 203 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 3: that they've been able to produce. And that's what's kept 204 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 3: Matthew Stafford upright. Again. The play action has helped out 205 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 3: a lot too. So they've done a lot in terms of, 206 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 3: you know, looking at last year, what do we need 207 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 3: to do. They've done a little bit of everything along 208 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:33,719 Speaker 3: the offensive line. I think also play calling has a 209 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 3: lot to do with it. Getting the ball out quickly 210 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 3: and that's what Matthew Stafford's been able to do to 211 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 3: help out the offensive line as well. Lance. 212 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 2: Based on what you were talking about Kirk, though, because 213 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 2: you mentioned a lot of young guys, I think it 214 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,319 Speaker 2: also may speak volumes of the coaching staff because you 215 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 2: have to develop these players, Kirk, as you know, you 216 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 2: could draft him, you could bring him in, but if 217 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,319 Speaker 2: you don't find tune them, it could be a lot 218 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 2: of growing page. So what does it say about what 219 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 2: the staff has done under Sean McVeigh to get some 220 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 2: of these players ready to go and to showcase that 221 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 2: versatility that you talked about because they've been exposed to 222 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 2: so many different positions. 223 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm glad you did bring that up too, and 224 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 3: I failed to mention that. I apologize because I think 225 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 3: about the Rams and how the success that they've had 226 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 3: under Sean McVay, they've also lost a lot of assistant 227 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 3: coaches around the National Football League. You know, you kind 228 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 3: of joke about the Sean McVay coaching tree and how 229 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 3: many coaches have went on to go get head coaching 230 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 3: jobs other places, but also college jobs as well, And 231 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:33,680 Speaker 3: then you think about it. The Rams have had three 232 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 3: offensive line coaches in three years. I think that had 233 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,199 Speaker 3: something to do with in years prior. Even though they 234 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 3: did win a Super Bowl, they still had to go 235 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 3: out and get a new offensive line coach. It didn't 236 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 3: work out last year, but former Patriot remember Ryan Wendell 237 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 3: played with the Patriots for a long time. He's the 238 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 3: Rams offensive line coach, a former player. He's brought a 239 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 3: different mentality, a different mindset, and he's given a lot 240 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 3: of guys opportunities and I would say he's maybe one 241 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 3: of the biggest reasons why this offensive line is playing well. 242 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:06,719 Speaker 3: It's Ryan Windale who's the offensive line coach. A lot 243 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 3: of you know, is this a respected guy, And I 244 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 3: think he's brought an element of teaching and an element 245 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 3: of knowledge, and he's also been in tune with the quarterback, 246 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 3: obviously Matthew Stafford. They know what works for them and 247 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:19,959 Speaker 3: what does not work for them, and I think that's 248 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 3: where the successes come from. 249 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 2: Rich You mentioned last season the Rams utilizing a variety 250 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 2: of different quarterbacks, which really relates to what the Giants 251 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 2: are going through this season. And I want to bring 252 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 2: your playing days into the equation, not to pour salt 253 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 2: into your wounds with the Raiders' days. But you know, 254 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 2: you were with the Raiders for a few seasons where 255 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 2: we saw three to four different quarterbacks play and start 256 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 2: during the course of the season, and the Giants went 257 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 2: through Daniel Jones, Tommy DeVito a little bit. Now they're 258 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 2: back to Tyrod Taylor. What I'm curious about, Kirk, is 259 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 2: what is the mindset of the defense. You're on the 260 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 2: opposite side of the ball. How do you go about 261 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 2: navigating that the other fashion? Knowing that maybe from a 262 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 2: schemat and aggressiveness standpoint, you may have to carry the 263 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,439 Speaker 2: load a little bit more because now there's a different 264 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 2: quarterback at the controls. 265 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think you need to ask me. I 266 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 3: think you need to ask your defensive coordinator with the Giants, 267 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 3: don Wig Martindale, because he was my linebacker coach throughout 268 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 3: those years, my first five with the Raiders, so he 269 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 3: knows very well what we went through as a defense. 270 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 3: But we did have one of the top defenses back 271 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 3: in two thousand and six, and we did go through 272 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 3: many quarterbacks. I know through my time with the Raiders, 273 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 3: I spent five seasons with him. I had ten different 274 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 3: guys play quarterback for me, so I do know what 275 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 3: that responsibility takes on the defense. You feel like you 276 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 3: have to play perfect. You can play your best game 277 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 3: and know that it still may not get you a victory. 278 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 3: So I think it does take away some of the 279 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 3: aggressiveness at times defensively as a player. I know that's 280 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 3: not the case with Don Wink Martindale. He is still 281 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 3: going to bring pressure. That's just who he is and 282 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 3: you love that about him because he doesn't want to 283 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 3: sit back on his heels. That's but I'll tell you 284 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 3: from my mindset as a former defensive player in this league, 285 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 3: it does always feel like one mistake feels like two 286 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 3: or three mistakes, because you know how critical one mistake 287 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 3: in a game can be, knowing that you don't have 288 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,719 Speaker 3: the offense to come back from that. Right, we see 289 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 3: a lot of teams that can make a mistake defensively, 290 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 3: and you got an offense that can go down on 291 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 3: a eight play seventy five yard drive and score a 292 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 3: touchdown and all as well. When you don't have that, 293 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 3: those mistakes become bigger and now all of a sudden 294 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 3: you got guys pointing fingers and things like that. That 295 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 3: never wants to be the case but I do know 296 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 3: the difficulty of looking across the field knowing that, hey, 297 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 3: we may not have it at quarterback right now, it's 298 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 3: going to be on us. You almost feel like you 299 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 3: got to play perfect, and we know in the NFL 300 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 3: is just not the case. 301 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's well said, especially there's a Giants 302 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 2: team that's averaging just over fourteen points per game. That's 303 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 2: thirty first in the NFL. You can only imagine the 304 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 2: pressure that's on the defense, which has held up nice 305 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 2: and has made some opportunistic plays, but Kirk, more often 306 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 2: than not, that's still not enough because if you can't 307 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 2: get across the twenty point perimeter, you're putting yourself in 308 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 2: a very precarious spot. And the Giants have only done 309 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 2: that four times this season. Kirk in fifteen games, and 310 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 2: one of the games was a product of a defensive touchdown, 311 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 2: which I think says all you need to know. 312 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 3: You tell me, Lace, you go out there, you give 313 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 3: up two field goals and a touchdown, Right, that's thirteen points. 314 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 3: You feel like we should win this football game? 315 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 2: Sure? 316 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 3: I mean every defense says that, and I've talked to 317 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 3: many defensive coaches in the league. The number where we 318 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 3: would always say will be seventeen, that will be the number. 319 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 3: I think it's kind of pushed itself to twenty because 320 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 3: the way the offenses can score. But you say, if 321 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 3: you hold a team to twenty or less, seventeen or less, 322 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 3: you should win that football game. You should be able 323 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 3: to muster up enough offense to win that football game. 324 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 3: And that's where the frustration part, I think will settle 325 00:15:56,560 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 3: in on the defense. Offensively, you just say, hey, we've 326 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 3: got a couple of games left. If you're the Giants, 327 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 3: can we put a couple things together. We know who 328 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 3: are starter is going to be. It's not about the 329 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 3: young guys, it's not about what's the future. You got 330 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 3: a guy in Tyrod Taylor, who, to me, I think 331 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 3: as a guy who looks at the Rams weekly. It 332 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 3: kind of scares me going against Tyrod Taylor because he's 333 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 3: seen a lot of defense. He knows and has a 334 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 3: lot of answers to what the Rams may present defensively, 335 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 3: and so I think this is where you may see 336 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 3: an offense be a little more aggressive because it's Tyrod Taylor, 337 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 3: not a Tommy DeVito, not Daniel Jones. So you can 338 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 3: see the ball get down the field a little bit more, 339 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 3: and then you got a lot of guys I think 340 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 3: offensively for the Giants who are playing for opportunity to 341 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 3: be on the Giants next year, so you still have 342 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 3: that element that works for you. So honestly, I think 343 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 3: as much as we look at the defense for the 344 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 3: Giants and what they have to do, I think offensively 345 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 3: they can have one of those breakout games they've been 346 00:16:58,480 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 3: looking for all season. 347 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 2: And Tyrod, as you mentioned, he's a polished pro. He's 348 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 2: been there and done that, and he lost his starting 349 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 2: job again due to injury. Tommy DeVito got hot and 350 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 2: now he has a second opportunity. You can only imagine 351 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 2: what he's thinking. And I want to piggyback Kerkle off 352 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 2: of what you just tapped into with the mindset of 353 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 2: the players, because you were on Raiders teams that unfortunately 354 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 2: were mathematically out of it by the time we got 355 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 2: to the final two games of the season. And from 356 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:27,439 Speaker 2: the fans' viewpoint, more often than not, they're focused on 357 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,400 Speaker 2: the draft next year. They want the highest pick humanly possible. 358 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 2: And I say this more and more on every show 359 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 2: I do, even with you on a national stage where 360 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 2: player is not guaranteed a roster spot the following season 361 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,439 Speaker 2: on his current team. A player is not consumed with 362 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,640 Speaker 2: the draft because they know life in the NFL comes 363 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 2: at you fast and could end very quickly. How did 364 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 2: you navigate those years when you were with the Raiders 365 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 2: and you add a lot of veteran players and teammates 366 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:57,880 Speaker 2: and you knew and we've got nothing to gain from 367 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 2: the standings, but perhaps a whole more to game in 368 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 2: terms of what lies ahead for your career. 369 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 3: You know, Lance, You've been in broadcasting a long time, right, 370 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 3: and so you have it what they call a resume, 371 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:12,399 Speaker 3: a body of work that you can put down and 372 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 3: you can show people what you've done, what you've accomplished 373 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 3: in the National Football League. The resume that you have 374 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 3: is what you put on tape, is what you put 375 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 3: on the field. That is a resume. And so guys 376 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 3: are going to go one hundred and ten percent every 377 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 3: single time that they're out there for the most part, 378 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 3: to put good tape on film, because if you're with 379 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:36,199 Speaker 3: that team or not, maybe the next team is watching 380 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 3: that film and they want to see what kind of 381 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:42,239 Speaker 3: player are you. That's what players have to understand, and 382 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 3: they do this I know a lot of guys are 383 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 3: playing hard because you don't want to have bad film. 384 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:50,479 Speaker 3: You always say a lot of times you're playing for 385 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 3: the front of the or either you respect the name 386 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 3: on the front, which is your team name, but you 387 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 3: never want to disgrace the name on the back, and 388 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:00,919 Speaker 3: the name on the back is your For me, that 389 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 3: was the name Morrison. I did not want to have 390 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:06,640 Speaker 3: the Morrison name associated with bad play or not being 391 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 3: not hustling, not having great effort. That was the resume 392 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 3: I wanted to leave on the field, And I think 393 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 3: that's the mindset of a lot of players. You can, 394 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 3: you know, show some things and there's gonna be some 395 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 3: guys who get opportunities that maybe haven't played a ton 396 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 3: this year, We'll get those opportunities to the least keep 397 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 3: their name in the hat for being on the roster 398 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:27,919 Speaker 3: next year, being developed and saying, hey, I can be 399 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 3: a guy that you can count on in years to come. 400 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 3: So there's a lot that I know I had to 401 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,479 Speaker 3: deal with, but always had the mindset of don't have 402 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 3: bad film. I have my resume still look the best, 403 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 3: even when the circumstances are maybe not the best. 404 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 4: You're ready for a change. Pay day comes early with Citizens, 405 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 4: So go to that retreat. Knew you move to the country. 406 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 4: Now you're raising goats and launching a lifestyle brand. Are 407 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 4: you ready for all that life brings? 408 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 2: Bryan's fans Winner, It's why they love Citizens named a 409 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 2: twenty twenty two Best Bank in the US by the 410 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:06,719 Speaker 2: Banker as the official bank of the Giants and sponsor 411 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 2: of the Huddle. Citizens made ready for fans of Big Blue. 412 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,360 Speaker 2: Learn more at Citizens bank dot com. As we're talking 413 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 2: with former NFL linebacker Kirk Morrison, you can hear him 414 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 2: on Sirius XMNFL radio as well as the RAMS Radio network. Kirk, 415 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 2: I want to also relate something to your career to 416 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 2: Bobby Okarake at linebacker for the Giants, because he seems 417 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 2: to be somebody that is a staple within their defense 418 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 2: who they could build upon moving forward. And he made 419 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 2: an interesting transition that I think you can relate to. 420 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 2: You spent your first five seasons with the Raiders. He 421 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 2: spent his first four with the Colts. You were in 422 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 2: one scheme. You had Rob Ryan right as your DC 423 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 2: and he had Matt Eberflus with the Colts. Then you 424 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 2: go to the Jaguars, and I think the numbers support Kirk. 425 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 2: You were second in tackles. You made quite the impact. 426 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 2: But Brandy defense right with Jack del Rio and Mel Tucker. 427 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 2: And he comes the Wink system for the first time. 428 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 2: What was that like where You're I'm so used to 429 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:02,679 Speaker 2: a new scheme for all these years. You come in, 430 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 2: you're trying to get used to new teammates, and it 431 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 2: seemed as if I think there's some similar parallels, is 432 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 2: what I'm getting at between what you did in Jacksonville 433 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 2: what Bobby Okarak is doing for the Giants. 434 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think we can extend it too. Kara 435 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 3: Kay was a third round pick like I was in 436 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 3: the NFL half too. So yeah, he's been a guy 437 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 3: who I've watched throughout his career. You know, I've watched him. 438 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 3: He's been very solid. He's made a lot of plays. 439 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 3: Nine tackles for loss, two interceptions for force fumbles. He's 440 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:36,400 Speaker 3: playing the right way in Winks defense. And look whoever 441 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 3: plays linebacker and Wigs defense, I'm always texting them letting 442 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 3: them know, Hey, fifty eight a lot like what he's doing, 443 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 3: because that's something I'm not gonna lie to you. I've 444 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:49,400 Speaker 3: talked to you know, coach Martindale about this last year 445 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,880 Speaker 3: because that was an area of weakness. I believe last 446 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 3: year they had to start Jalen Smith during in the 447 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 3: playoff game at linebacker, and I said, Jalen Smith was, 448 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,400 Speaker 3: you know, a guy that you know they just picked up. 449 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 3: So he didn't you know, didn't have the best of games. 450 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 3: But I was just saying, did you I was teasing 451 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 3: him more so, did you need me? Like, let me know, 452 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 3: you could have called me. I could have came here 453 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 3: to play linebacker for you. But they were really banged up. 454 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 3: I felt that they would go after a linebacker in 455 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,120 Speaker 3: the draft or in free agency. They went and got 456 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 3: okaa kay. And I think that he's been a stable 457 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 3: piece for this defense, a guy that's been out there 458 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 3: a ton. It is hard to take him off the field. 459 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,120 Speaker 3: But I think the big to answer your question, it's 460 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 3: just trying to find where the common traits are, the 461 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 3: common terminology. That was always the hard part for me. 462 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:42,719 Speaker 3: When you've learned what something was for so long, right 463 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 3: it was called this right at the you know, the 464 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 3: the outside end and the inside defensive tackle went inside. 465 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 3: You know, some teams would call it a pirates. Some 466 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 3: teams would call it a scoop, So you just had 467 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,640 Speaker 3: to find what's that terminology that you use and we're 468 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 3: all speaking the same language, and I think that's was 469 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 3: the most difficult part. But once you find that, you're 470 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,360 Speaker 3: able to play fast and free. But as long as 471 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 3: fifty eight is out there for the Giants, I really 472 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 3: feel like, look, he is going to be the mainstay 473 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 3: for this defense to calm and force when everything around 474 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 3: you seems to be kaoti. As long as he's making 475 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 3: the right calls, making the right checks, he's doing a lot. 476 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 3: And I think they look he's been great in the past. 477 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,199 Speaker 3: Had some quarterback pressures and he'd to give him some 478 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 3: more sacks. But other than that, man, he's been playing well. 479 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 3: And I know Wink's been pleased with his production. I 480 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 3: want more spell last year plays though from him, but 481 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 3: he's been doing good. 482 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's been very active and it's interesting to see 483 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 2: how far he's come along based on what he was 484 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 2: doing in the first few games versus as of late. 485 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,360 Speaker 2: And I think that relates to what you were talking about. 486 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 2: You need the adjustment period, So putting your takeaways together 487 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 2: here and your conversations with Wink. Does that mean Kirk, 488 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 2: there's no conversation this week. I'm assuming with Wink Martindale, right, 489 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 2: you're not giving him any iNTS about what's going on 490 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 2: in Ramsland, I mean a violation. 491 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 3: I'm assuming no, No, not this week. Man. We will 492 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 3: catch up at the combine like we always do. We'll 493 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 3: just talk a little NFL. But you know, he's always 494 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 3: watching a group, watching his groups. You know, I'm always 495 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:16,199 Speaker 3: very complementary of his players, and you know, I've been 496 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 3: really excited about what Cavon Thibodeau has brought to this defense. 497 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 3: I know, not the best of seasons as a whole 498 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 3: for the team, but Thibodeaux has definitely shown that he's 499 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 3: a Pro Bowl, All Pro caliber player for the future. 500 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:31,919 Speaker 3: You know, eleven and a half sacks this season. That 501 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 3: is That's that's big. That's big for any defense to 502 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 3: have that kind of guy in that kind of production. 503 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 3: So I've always been excited to watch his defenses. But 504 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 3: there's a couple of guys who I've really taken a 505 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 3: liking to and I keep my eyes. I mean, he's honestly, 506 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 3: think about it, He's made what seem to be the 507 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,880 Speaker 3: most difficult thing in the world or for defensive coordinator. 508 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 3: He's actually kind of found a place for Isaiah Simmons. 509 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,199 Speaker 3: And I don't know if that makes for you know, 510 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 3: the future of Isaiah Simmons, but but he's been a 511 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 3: productive player in this defense for Wink Martindale. That to 512 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 3: me shows coaching. That's when I tell you coaches are 513 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 3: good when they find what a player does best and 514 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,880 Speaker 3: he let him go out there and play and show him, Hey, 515 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 3: this is what you do in this defense. You'll be productive. 516 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 3: And Isaiah sim has been productive in his defense. 517 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 2: He had a pick six earlier this season, even against Washington, 518 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 2: So he's been another opportunistic player. You got me thinking, Kirk, 519 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 2: because I know it wasn't his scheme when you were 520 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,400 Speaker 2: with the Raiders, he was your position coach, But how 521 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 2: much did he help you develop as a linebacker when 522 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,159 Speaker 2: you look back, even if it came to where you 523 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 2: lined up on the field, Because as you mentioned, coaching 524 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 2: does make the ultimate difference in this league. 525 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 3: I think he just to me, he made the game 526 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 3: simple when you sit down and talk to him. He 527 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 3: sort of gave me a manual. And you know, I 528 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 3: played in an era where we were able to meet 529 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 3: a little bit longer, right, We were able to start 530 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 3: our off seasons a little bit longer. And you know, 531 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 3: I didn't make the playoffs when I was with the Raiders, unfortunately, 532 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,679 Speaker 3: but that did give me more time to spend with 533 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 3: Wink in the offseason, and we just talked about football, 534 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 3: and we talked about situational football. We talked about what 535 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 3: defense is to call. We talked about downs and distance. 536 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 3: One of the things that he talks about is coordinators 537 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 3: and coordinator trees and what tree does he fall under, 538 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 3: and so just really how to study the game right. 539 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 3: And I think case in point is that a couple 540 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 3: of players who stood out to me and watching Wings 541 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 3: defense this year has been Jason Pennock and Xavier McKinney. 542 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,360 Speaker 3: I mean, these two safeties have been active, very active, 543 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 3: and so I think when you are able to slow 544 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,159 Speaker 3: the game down for some players, then they're able to 545 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 3: just go out there and play free and not have 546 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 3: to I'd say, think, but more so expect what's coming. 547 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,880 Speaker 3: When you know what's coming by down in distance, by 548 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,360 Speaker 3: the quarterback that's in the game, by the coordinator who 549 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 3: was calling the plays. Man, you're playing a step ahead 550 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 3: in the game and I've seen that from a couple 551 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 3: of players from the Giants, but I've also known in 552 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 3: my career that's what helped me out a ton. And 553 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 3: I always go back to my third year in the league, 554 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 3: where you know, I had one of my best seasons. 555 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,399 Speaker 3: A lot of it was due to Wink. I had 556 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 3: four interceptions, but a lot of it was because he 557 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 3: put me in the right positions to make plays. And 558 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 3: once you understand it, man, the sky's delimit for how 559 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 3: good you can be within the defense. But it was 560 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 3: it was part of his defense. He and Rob Ryan 561 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 3: honestly shared it and called it together at times. 562 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 2: It's a small world. It's amazing we're talking to you 563 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 2: and you have connections to Wink, and Wink is now 564 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 2: trying to make an impact with the Giants. It's kind 565 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,479 Speaker 2: of crazy how it's a very small community in the NFL. 566 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 2: Speaking of the trajectory of the defense, I want to 567 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 2: finish up by focusing on the Rams defense, Kirk, because 568 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 2: I think most going into this season said it's a 569 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 2: young group. They have to use draft picks because of 570 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 2: all the trades they made and the salary cap restrictions 571 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 2: and Kobe Turner, iron young a pair of third round 572 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 2: picks combine for twelve and a half sacks. I know 573 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 2: Ernest Jones was a third round pick a few years back, 574 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,440 Speaker 2: but he's still a young player. Out of this defense 575 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 2: hum together so quickly, Kurt, considering, I think most people 576 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 2: from the outside looking in said there's going to be 577 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 2: some growing pains and it's going to be an up 578 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 2: and down struggle. And this unit has been a strength 579 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 2: at certain key points of this year. It seems well. 580 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 3: The philosophy always were about the pillars. The Rams pillars 581 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 3: were three players, Matthew Stafford, Cooper Cup and Aaron Donald. Offensively, 582 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 3: you had two right, and with those two you wanted 583 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 3: to elevate the other guys. And offensively it was going 584 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 3: to be a work in progress. But we always felt 585 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 3: that the offense was going to be ahead of the defense. 586 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 3: In reality, that was actually not the case. It was 587 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 3: the defense before it was ahead of the offense. And 588 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 3: it was crazy because you only had really Aaron Donald. 589 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 3: You didn't remember they traded away Jalen Ramsey in the offseason. 590 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 3: They didn't have Leonard Floyd, they didn't have Von Miller, 591 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 3: they didn't have Bobby wagg Think about the guys who 592 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 3: were here with the Rams just a couple of seasons 593 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 3: ago that helped them win a Super Bowl. They were 594 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 3: all gone. It was really just Aaron Donald. But Ernest 595 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 3: Jones you mentioned, he is really taking over that middle 596 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 3: linebacking spot. He's been a force and they've been having 597 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,479 Speaker 3: to use him in the blitz packages a little bit 598 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 3: more to get after the passer. He's got four and 599 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 3: a half sacks this year as a middle linebacker because 600 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 3: they've inserted him in the rush. Aaron Donald, I mean, 601 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 3: speaks for himself, but he's gotten opportunities for a guy 602 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 3: like Kobe Turner, right, who's a rookie out of Wake Forest. 603 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 3: Think about this, Lens. The Rams drafted fourteen players fourteen 604 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 3: and those fourteen guys actually made the team. So the 605 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 3: Rams were knew it was going to be a youth movement. 606 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 3: But their youth has grown. And when you talk about 607 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 3: the growth of other players. Michael Hoyt, who's on the outside, 608 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 3: he plays an outside linebacker position. He's come along Byron Young. 609 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 3: He gets off the bus first year like who is that? 610 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 3: He wears number zero, but he's along this year. He's 611 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 3: got six sacks as a rookie. I think the one 612 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 3: spot for the Rams that they were really young at 613 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 3: was the secondary because they had some second year guys, 614 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 3: not necessarily rookies, but second year guys who you would 615 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 3: hope that they will come along. But they went back 616 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 3: and brought John Johnson back. He was formerly with the Rams. 617 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 3: He went in free agency a couple of years back 618 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 3: to Cleveland. He was on waiver. They found a way 619 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 3: to bring him back in along with a guy by 620 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 3: the name of Kella Weatherspoon who was really at the 621 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 3: beginning of the Shanahan era in San Francisco. He's been 622 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 3: playing well. They were able to bring him in as 623 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 3: a veteran force, and this secondary has really started to 624 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 3: come along. I've been really impressed with a lot of guys, 625 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 3: and Darien Kendrick was a corner they drafted last year. 626 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 3: It's been kind of up and down, but he brings 627 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 3: a tenacity that you love. And it all goes to 628 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 3: their defensive coordinator, Raheem Morris. I think he'll be up 629 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 3: for a couple of you know, these head coaching vacancies. 630 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 3: I think he just done a tremendous job with this 631 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 3: group because if you looked at him on paper, you 632 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 3: said there is no way the Rams can win with 633 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 3: this defense. They've been able to win with this defense, 634 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 3: and a lot of it falls because of their defensive coordinator, Raheem. 635 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 2: Morris, who was a very young coach when he got 636 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 2: his first go around with Tampa Bay. He definitely deserves 637 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 2: some recognition. I think that's very well. Said a quick 638 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 2: follow up before I let you go, Kirk, Aaron Donald. 639 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 2: It goes without saying gets doubled and triple team regularly 640 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 2: because you just don't want him to wreck the game. 641 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 2: How much, though, what has stood out about this defense 642 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 2: this season, specifically the Kobe Turners the Byron Youngs, is 643 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 2: those guys are winning their one on one battles and 644 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 2: taking advantage of all the attention that Aaron Donald is getting. 645 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 2: And if that doesn't happen, maybe we're not talking about 646 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 2: the Rams defense in the same light. 647 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 3: Yeah. No, And I think Aaron Donald has realized that 648 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 3: people will say, well, his production is down, He's only 649 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 3: got six sacks this year. If you sit back and 650 00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 3: watch a game, watch a Rams game defensively, and just 651 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 3: sit back and watch the attention that number ninety nine gets, 652 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 3: He's you mentioned double triple team. I mean offenses get 653 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 3: the ball out quickly, they run away from him in 654 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 3: the run game, and it has given some of these 655 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 3: players the one on one opportunities to go out and 656 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 3: make plays. It's given I mentioned earlier that Ernest Jones 657 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 3: has four and a half sacks. There's a reason why 658 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 3: he's got For Ernest Jones, this is his third year. 659 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 3: He had one sack coming into this season, so he's 660 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 3: the You just see the percentages have going up over 661 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 3: four hundred percent in terms of sacks. Because if you're 662 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 3: going to double team and triple team Aaron Donald, everybody 663 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 3: else can go out and start the feast. And that's 664 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 3: what you're seeing. But I think the bigger thing is 665 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 3: that I've seen Aaron Donald truly have enjoyment in watching 666 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 3: these young players sort of progress. I see him more 667 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 3: as like the Papa Smurf of the group, and he's 668 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 3: seeing a lot of the young Smurfs really start to 669 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 3: take responsibility and start to make plays and make names 670 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 3: for themselves. And that's the good part. These older veterans 671 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 3: for the Rams are just as excited to see these 672 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 3: young players progress, and I think that there's a respect 673 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 3: from the younger players as we're as well to get 674 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 3: some of that knowledge from those guys who I call 675 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 3: the pillars of this football team. 676 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 2: Hey, we make analogies to the orchestra the Surfs. We're 677 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 2: eco opportunists here on the Giant Subtle Podcast. Some absolute 678 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 2: great stuff. He is Kirk Morrison, former NFL linebacker. You 679 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 2: can hear him on Sirius XMNFL Radio as well as 680 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 2: the RAMS Radio network. Is This is the latest edition 681 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 2: of the Giant Subtle Podcast, presented by Citizens, the official 682 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 2: bank of the New York Giants. Kirk, It's always a 683 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 2: blast going back and forth. This was about two three 684 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 2: segments on Channel eighty eight for us, except we don't 685 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 2: have to worry about coming back for another hour apparently, 686 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 2: but listen. I can't thank you off greatly, appreciate the 687 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 2: time of the insight. 688 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 3: Oh appreciate it anytime. Lance, Thanks for having me mo 689 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 2: Man absolutely as you could check out the latest Giant 690 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 2: Total podcast on Giants dot com, the mobile app, and 691 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 2: your favorite podcast platforms.