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Speaker 1: I'm Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 2: I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: This this Morning Combat. Hey look everyone, it's Bez's Cat's Butthole.

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Speaker 2: This show's so stupid. I mean, it's the worst, right

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Speaker 2: you know? Yeah, Hey Zoe.

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Speaker 1: Three seconds into the show and it's just cat anus here.

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Speaker 1: Let's just have it, you know, let's just do it.

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Speaker 1: Hey everyone, it's a Monday edition. It's a post UFC

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Speaker 1: pay per view edition post UFC two eighty nine Morning

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Speaker 1: Combat High one half of your hosting duel. My name

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Speaker 1: is Luke Thomas. I join you from the capital of

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Speaker 1: Estatus Anitos right here in Washington, d C. Joined by

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Speaker 1: the King of cat Buttholes himself, Brian Campbell. Hi, Brian Campbell,

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Speaker 1: Hey Luke, Hey, how how fun?

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Speaker 2: First of all, shout out to Zoe the cat here. Luke.

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Speaker 2: You know, she's a walking time bomb of injuries and

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Speaker 2: stabbings and biting, but she's very beautiful and fluffy. She's Himalayan. Luke,

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Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, which you know, so was

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Speaker 2: tensing Norgay. Just so you know, Luke, maybe she's got

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Speaker 2: sirpaying me through this podcast today. Cats aside, Luke, how

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Speaker 2: fun was this weekend for combat? It was pretty damn fun?

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Speaker 1: Right we wait? Even the stuff we kind of panned

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Speaker 1: a little bit with the Climi Mungia Sergei Derevianchenko fight

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Speaker 1: ended up being pretty great in the end.

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Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, I agree, I agree, dude. Same thing with

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Speaker 2: that of you know, the Gatti family's threatening to kill Floyd.

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Speaker 2: We'll get to that later today too. What a while weekend?

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Speaker 1: I will say this. I will say this BC. The

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Speaker 1: UFC two eighty nine Comayne was great, and the two

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Speaker 1: eighty nine main event wasn't bad really by Amanda's fault.

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Speaker 1: But I didn't get a lot from it, right, Like

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Speaker 1: we'll talk about here in just a second, But how

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Speaker 1: much did you enjoy the main event? Enjoy?

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Speaker 2: Uh? Wouldn't say I've been missing it, Luke.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's sort of what I mean, all right,

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Speaker 1: So we have a lot to get to. Plus tail

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Speaker 1: Fema Lopez looking great and then retiring, that's a lot

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Speaker 2: So he's back in a big way. What the What

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Speaker 2: a weekend? Right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? We buried the shit out of him last week

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Speaker 1: and then he came in there and looked great. So

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Speaker 1: we have a lot of progra Look.

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Speaker 2: Did you see that ESPN interview that came out after

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Speaker 2: our show on Friday? That was just Yes, it was

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Speaker 2: a disaster, Yeah, disaster. But you know, hey on the

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Speaker 2: night right, as Josh Taylor said on the night, Tayo

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Speaker 2: the better man, what a wild weekend? Luke, all right,

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Speaker 2: let's do it all right?

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Speaker 1: All right, well that further ado. Let's kick this off

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Speaker 1: topic number one. We start with what you would understand

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Speaker 1: UFC two eighty nine's main event. I just asked BC

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Speaker 1: From that standpoint, that left a lot to be desired.

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Speaker 1: But of course, Amanda Donez defends her bantamweight title in

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Speaker 1: this way, what did the result say about both competitors?

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Speaker 2: Uh? For Amanda, it turns out she was as great

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Speaker 2: first fight against Juliana Pana was an aberration. She fixed

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Speaker 2: that in the rematch, and look, this was absolute domination,

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Speaker 2: separate from the retirement for a second. You saw after

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Speaker 2: put in the work. This is what Amanda Newness has

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Speaker 2: She did what she want now the threat of all

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Speaker 2: Donna's punching power, even though al Donna ultimately laid a

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Speaker 2: massive egg in this fight, it was still there after

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Speaker 2: liked the way Amanda navigated that, eventually realizing all Donna

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Speaker 2: takedowns very effectively. Look, this was a thorough of performance

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Speaker 2: across the board. But there's that other half of the equation, Luke.

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Speaker 2: I hate to say this because I do have a

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Speaker 2: this is what Amanda does to be fair right, think

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Speaker 2: that Megan Anderson fight. Anytime people can come in with confidence,

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Speaker 2: The reason why this was so disappointing from all Donna,

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Speaker 2: no I can beat this is because I'm Mexican. I

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Speaker 2: have that heart. Luke, she does have that heart. She

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Speaker 2: took incredible punishment and kept hanging in there, but she

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Speaker 2: The fact that al Donna could not would not I'm

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Speaker 1: In the end, No, it certainly didn't. On the Amanda SIDEBC,

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Speaker 1: She shows up again with that one sort of slip

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Speaker 1: In the end she fell short, but then getting back

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Speaker 1: I would have liked to have seen her put away

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Speaker 1: al Donna, given her reserve she was, but I get

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is not anything we've not ever seen before.

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Speaker 1: But we should also make a point about Amanda noon

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Speaker 1: it even started on vibes like she had al Donna

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Speaker 1: Certainly that shows up in this contest. But it's again

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Speaker 1: not taking away in a credit from Amanda, because she

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Speaker 1: she did the Joshua Claudy against many Pakiao bit, remember

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Speaker 2: Okay? Nicely? Can we be bought and fair? Luke? She

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Speaker 2: laid a fat egg and if she doesn't bounce back

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Speaker 2: feel worse, Luke, the performance of Sarah Gone against John

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Speaker 2: to take the ladder. She just didn't put herself in

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Speaker 2: do that? After hurting Nunas in round one, after proving

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Speaker 2: you can take her power, how do you just go

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying I'm disappointed for her, knowing the pressure

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Speaker 2: tough pill to swallow it.

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Speaker 1: This is a I mean, we should be honest about

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Speaker 1: This is one of the if you put a list

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Speaker 1: I've ever seen. Now, there have been other cases where guys,

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Speaker 2: And here's why I feel bad for her. Luke, even

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Speaker 1: If you if you lay an egg to the extent

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Speaker 2: Okay, your brain's beautiful and I look forward to to

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Speaker 2: just an implosion. You really talked up Penia's aggressive, accurate,

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00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:25,919
Speaker 2: pushing jab that that constantly gave Amanda issues and she

432
00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,679
Speaker 2: didn't show great head movement that night. If you're all Donna,

433
00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:33,240
Speaker 2: that's got to be, without a question, your default spam.

434
00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,200
Speaker 2: You gotta be all over her with jabs to back

435
00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,159
Speaker 2: her up. She wasn't. She pulled the Josh Claudie. She

436
00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,000
Speaker 2: tried to counter. I get why, right, she has a

437
00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:44,399
Speaker 2: beautiful counter left hook, but you don't you know, if

438
00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:47,080
Speaker 2: you don't use it, Luke, you're probably gonna lose it,

439
00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:50,399
Speaker 2: all right? Quote the quote the BC never nevermore, please

440
00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:51,040
Speaker 2: never more?

441
00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,080
Speaker 1: All Right? With that in mind, let's go to topic

442
00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,840
Speaker 1: number two. We stay with Amanda Nunez, but we have

443
00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:58,879
Speaker 1: to have a different kind of conversation now that the

444
00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:02,480
Speaker 1: fight is over. Subsequent to that, she announced her retirement

445
00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:04,720
Speaker 1: from mixed martial arts, and you could understand why. Of course,

446
00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,800
Speaker 1: she retires as both the bantamweight belt holder and the

447
00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,160
Speaker 1: featherweight belt holder, by the way, that featherweight division. Dana

448
00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,280
Speaker 1: White kind of indicated and didn't say it affirmatively in

449
00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:17,119
Speaker 1: a there's no way it doesn't get continued, but seemed

450
00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,480
Speaker 1: to indicate it was not going to continue. But you see,

451
00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,080
Speaker 1: the question for you is as follows. Now that it

452
00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:24,960
Speaker 1: appears to be over, well, we shall see. What can

453
00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,800
Speaker 1: we say about Amanda Nunez upon her retirement? What what

454
00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:31,439
Speaker 1: what is the truth of her story in her career?

455
00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,040
Speaker 2: Sorry, Luke, I had my airpiece fall out there. If

456
00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:36,760
Speaker 2: you can you give me one second here, Luke. I mean,

457
00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:38,480
Speaker 2: you know it's only a lot to hold on. Sorry

458
00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:38,800
Speaker 2: about that?

459
00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, fix that thing? Is your cat still beating your ass?

460
00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:42,360
Speaker 1: What's going on over there?

461
00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:44,480
Speaker 2: You know it's hot in here? Been trying to find

462
00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:46,840
Speaker 2: the Yeah, all right, back to this, Luke, Can you

463
00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:48,280
Speaker 2: can you reteem me up here?

464
00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,880
Speaker 1: Sure? Very simple question. Now that Amanda Nunez has retired,

465
00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,040
Speaker 1: what what is the truth of her story in her career?

466
00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:54,959
Speaker 1: What can we say about her?

467
00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:59,480
Speaker 2: Yeah? You know, a giant I mean, look, at the

468
00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,720
Speaker 2: end of the day, Luke, it's always going to be

469
00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:06,280
Speaker 2: hard a lot of times to compare accomplishments on the

470
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Speaker 2: women's side to the men's side in certain points based

471
00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:10,639
Speaker 2: on different factors. It's like, you know, when you look

472
00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:12,360
Speaker 2: at women's boxing as well, it's like, you know, who

473
00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,080
Speaker 2: are the pomp for pound greatest of all time? Like

474
00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:19,200
Speaker 2: Leila Lee, Katie Taylor, Coloressa Shields. Can you accurately compare

475
00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:21,919
Speaker 2: who they are skills wise and what they've accomplished to

476
00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,119
Speaker 2: Sugar Ray Robinson, Muhammad Ali right, insert the name. I

477
00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:28,120
Speaker 2: don't know. I'm not sure. I think Amanda Nunas has

478
00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:31,240
Speaker 2: busted through that ceiling if it's there in MMA. Look,

479
00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:34,000
Speaker 2: I don't know moving forward, how we are not every

480
00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,840
Speaker 2: time we mentioned the upper table, the goats, the John Joneses,

481
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:40,919
Speaker 2: gsps Anderson, Silva Fade or right Mighty Mouse, whoever you

482
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:45,280
Speaker 2: think belongs in that, Amanda Nunas belongs there as well.

483
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:49,119
Speaker 2: Why because her path of destruction that she laid behind

484
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,960
Speaker 2: throughout her career separate from her personal arc, which I

485
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 2: think Data talked about correctly and saying what a beautiful

486
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,560
Speaker 2: person she is, how hard she's worked, coming from nothing,

487
00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,359
Speaker 2: moving to the United States from Brazil. Luke sleeping on

488
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,640
Speaker 2: the mats at MMA Masters, like you know, dirt, poor start,

489
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:07,040
Speaker 2: but look at where she is now, financially together, beautiful

490
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 2: family growing that she met in the UFC. That's all great,

491
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,000
Speaker 2: But a lot of times when we compare greatness, it's

492
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,919
Speaker 2: you know, who'd you fight and who'd you beat. Let's

493
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 2: talk about who she fought and who she beat. I mean,

494
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,080
Speaker 2: look the dominant she left behind against elite foes and

495
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:27,160
Speaker 2: former champions. Finishes of Ronda Rousey, Mischa Tate, Holly Holm,

496
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:32,359
Speaker 2: Chris Cyborg victories twice over Jermaine Drandamy, former champion twice

497
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 2: over Valentina Chefchenko. One of the greatest of all time

498
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 2: redeemed herself in a GSP Matt Sarah Way dominantly against

499
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 2: Juliana Pana. She's the greatest of all time on the

500
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Speaker 2: female side. And I don't even I think there is

501
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 2: levels to that. I know, Scatcho Ger always throws Cyborg

502
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,959
Speaker 2: back in there. Cyborg's longevity across multiple organizations is incredible.

503
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 2: But did even the great Chris Cyborg face the same

504
00:22:56,080 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 2: level of competition as Amanda Newness. No, this is as

505
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 2: great of a career as you can have. You know,

506
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 2: there's so many ways you can lose in this game.

507
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 2: You know how impossible it is to put together the

508
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,360
Speaker 2: runs that Silva, Mighty Mouse and all the great champions

509
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 2: have done. We're gonna look back at Amanda's, you know,

510
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 2: just five ten years from now, and I think double, triple, quadruple,

511
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 2: what it says what she accomplished, And that's not always

512
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 2: the case. As great as Ronda Rousey's run was of

513
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,199
Speaker 2: beating you know, big names one after another, fifteen seconds,

514
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 2: twelve seconds, thirteen seconds, captivating America, becoming a legitimate pay

515
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 2: per view brand, I think her resume to a large

516
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 2: degree each day as this sport evolves, almost in a

517
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 2: hoist Gracie type way, lessons not the impact, not the

518
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 2: pioneer side of it, not all that. But who'd she beat?

519
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,880
Speaker 2: How great was she? Really? I don't think that's gonna

520
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:51,159
Speaker 2: follow Amanda newness because luke the constant evolution, the constant

521
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 2: knows to the grind that she's put in. There was

522
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 2: a time, yes, we talked about her not having a

523
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,440
Speaker 2: gas tank against Catzungano. Oh she fixed that right. There

524
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 2: was a time we said she's got big power. But

525
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 2: is she a you know, slick boxer? Okay, maybe not slick,

526
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,640
Speaker 2: but she can switch stance, she can figure it out.

527
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 2: She's a black belt on the ground, she's using offensive wrestling.

528
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 2: She's an absolute complete fighter and a monster in there,

529
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 2: and somebody who rises to the occasion in the big

530
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 2: moments and violently finish his competition. If she wasn't this great,

531
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,880
Speaker 2: would she have outpointed Valatina Chefchenko twice, including a five

532
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:28,199
Speaker 2: round chess match. No, Amanda Nunas was everything. And the

533
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 2: idea that somebody's just gonna come up behind her in

534
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 2: three years and lap her resume and make us forget

535
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 2: about her. Look, I can't see another female fighter for

536
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 2: a long time coming in and tearing down this path

537
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 2: of destruction that Amanda did, with this level of longevity

538
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 2: and this level of Hall of Fame names one after

539
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:50,199
Speaker 2: another on her resume. I think that we don't separate

540
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 2: the men's and women's anymore. When we're talking about the

541
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 2: goat table, it's John, it's you know, all your other heroes,

542
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 2: Anderson and JSP, it's also Amanda Nunas. And I really

543
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 2: want to make sure people understand and believe that because

544
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 2: what we saw over the last decade was really unreal.

545
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 1: There's simply no doubt about it. Be see for me, man,

546
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 1: I want to I try to like think about like

547
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 1: what role she played in the sport. Everything you say

548
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 1: I agree with, but what I would add on top

549
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 1: for just for me or the way I sort of

550
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 1: visualize it is, Dude, Amanda Nunez was like this machete

551
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 1: slicing through dense vegetation all at once, right, because you

552
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 1: had She's she's the first great women's fighter that the

553
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 1: UFC produced. Now there's been other, like very strong contenders

554
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 1: for that, but I mean, like really truly great to

555
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,439
Speaker 1: your point, on the level of those other names that

556
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 1: you mentioned. But I call her the machete because you

557
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 1: had the Ronda Rossi experience coming out of the out

558
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 1: of Strike Force and you know, ballooning in twenty thirteen,

559
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen really and then beyond. And this is a

560
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 1: time when, especially twenty thirteen, when a man is not

561
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 1: even ranked out of the top ten. I went back and

562
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 1: I looked, and remember she didn't come out of Strike Force.

563
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 1: She lost her last fight in Strike Force, then went

564
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: fifty to fifty in a Hereabouts and Invicta. That was

565
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: how she ended up in UFC. So like it wasn't

566
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,199
Speaker 1: like she was like tearing down everything right at first,

567
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 1: but once this grand establishment began to grow. At one

568
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 1: thirty five, off a thousand day run as champion for

569
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 1: Ronda Rousey, all of a sudden upset the Apple Cart

570
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 1: by another known figure coming from boxing into MMA and

571
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,719
Speaker 1: Holly Holm by another figure. He was a strikeforce darling

572
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 1: who had then ended up as champion. In Misha Tate,

573
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,679
Speaker 1: where all these things had kind of happened, Amanda Nunas

574
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 1: came through and fucking laid waste to all of it,

575
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 1: set it on fire all at once, went through and

576
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 1: smashed all three of those women, stopping all three of them,

577
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 1: all three of them in violent fashion, and then went

578
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: up to one forty five and decimated everything up there

579
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 1: with that machete, just hacking through everything all at once,

580
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: on this fucking path of destruction. Dude, she was terrifying.

581
00:26:56,359 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 1: She was Godzilla in Tokyo about to breathe fire where

582
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 1: ever she wanted, and God help you if you've got

583
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: in the way. And of course against Penya, she tripped

584
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: up because, as we mentioned, one of the hardest things

585
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: to do is every time, be ready, every time, have

586
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 1: a target on your back every time I have all

587
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,439
Speaker 1: of that tape study that your opponent can overcome. She

588
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: couldn't have a perfect run in that sense, no run

589
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: really is GSP's had his faults, blah blah blah. We

590
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: all know the story. But BC for me easily the

591
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: greatest women's fighter of all time. I went back and

592
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 1: I looked at Chris Cyborg's resume. Here's what I'm gonna say,

593
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: Amanda Nunez has a better five Like, Okay, here's a

594
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: real great litmus test, right in all respect to Chris Cyborg,

595
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,199
Speaker 1: who's been doing this for so long, But tell me

596
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: her best five wins, because I can tell you the

597
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: best five wins from Amanda Nunez not only have Chris

598
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 1: Cyborg on it, but the other fucking names on there

599
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 1: are enormous figures in that division and everywhere else. Mumi

600
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: Fuji can't say that a lot of women can't say

601
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: that Amanda Nunez has the best resume, has the best

602
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: collection of wins bar none of any women's fighter that's

603
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,880
Speaker 1: ever competed. And that's just the facts.

604
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 2: And look outside of the disputed second fight with Chefchenko,

605
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 2: it's largely a path of extreme domination like that matters.

606
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 2: That certainly matters the evolution that we talk about. I mean,

607
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 2: she was just not a complete fighter when she joined

608
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 2: the UFC. But if we're talking about the pinnacle moment

609
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 2: or when's the most eye was impressed by her, it's

610
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 2: the Cyborg fight, Luke. I remember, you know, specifically being

611
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 2: KG side for that and really wondering, as great as

612
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 2: Amanda was, what happens if she gets in a slugfest

613
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 2: with Cyborg? Can she carry the power up there? Can

614
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 2: she take you know, somebody who may be the only

615
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 2: female fighter ever who hit harder than her. Well, I'm

616
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 2: not sure about that last tract anymore because I was

617
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 2: KG side for that. She lured Cyborg into a war

618
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 2: which was really, in hindsight, incredibly intelligent, knowing sort of

619
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,959
Speaker 2: this weakness of Cyborg that once you hit her cleanly,

620
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 2: she's willing to sort of drop the guard and just

621
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 2: go after it. I don't remember. Look, I've been KG

622
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 2: side you know for some great ones, right, maybe not

623
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 2: some of like our other brethren who were there every weekend,

624
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 2: no matter where the UFC's going, and they've seen it all.

625
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 2: But that was one of the loudest, most insane pops

626
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 2: from a crowd. I had ever heard when Amanda did that.

627
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 2: And it's not because Amanda is the most popular fighter

628
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 2: of all time. Insert Darren Ravel comment, right, you know

629
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 2: what I mean, It's because that was such an incredible accomplishment.

630
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 2: And while I still feel like as fans we were

631
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 2: robbed at the idea of them doing a rematch, with

632
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 2: Cyborg exiting the UFC shortly after that, and you know,

633
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 2: not on great terms and all that, but still, even

634
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 2: with not doing a second fight, they fought head to

635
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 2: head in Cyborg's division and Amanda knocked her the hell

636
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 2: out in an incredible fight that to me will always

637
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 2: be the mountaintop moment of this is somebody that's determined

638
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 2: but also smart. You know, if it was just the

639
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 2: power Luke, if it was just the frightening power that

640
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 2: she brought to the female side of this sport, she

641
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 2: still wouldn't have had this level of long jay. She

642
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 2: wouldn't have been able to beat all of these Swiss

643
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Speaker 2: Army knife she fought.

644
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Speaker 3: Then.

645
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's weird. I didn't even see it coming,

646
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 2: Like we know at this age it's possible. But with

647
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 2: payn your cage side with pain. Youa talking a lot

648
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 2: this week about still getting that trilogy next. This one

649
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 2: caught me off guard, and we're gonna get into a

650
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 2: little bit later and have you seen the shit with

651
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 2: some of the wholesome family moments we got in the

652
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 2: cage afterwards. But altogether, Amanda had one of the best

653
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 2: exits Saturday night in terms of great feelings, in terms

654
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 2: of putting all the emotion down there, putting the belts

655
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 2: and the gloves on the ground and yelling into the

656
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 2: microphone double champ forever. You couldn't help it stop and

657
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 2: feel great for her because there's no holes in her resume.

658
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 2: In my opinion, there's no asterisk. It's just greatness.

659
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Speaker 1: B See, I'm glad you brought up the Darren Ravel thing.

660
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: And there was a lot of comments he made, he

661
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: wrote he had it back and forth with Dana White

662
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,719
Speaker 1: at certain times, and he even wrote columns or did

663
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: podcast appearances. But it all starts from a certain tweet

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Speaker 1: December twenty ninth of twenty eighteen, and here's what he wrote.

665
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Speaker 1: Quote and Darren Revel, for folks who don't know, has

666
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: been kind of like he's a what is he now?

667
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: He does like gambling. He does a business. It's like

668
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: the business side of sports.

669
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a sports business slash slash gambling expert.

670
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: I guess you could say, right and often pillar read.

671
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: But okay, here's what he wrote quote between Rowsie and Cyborg.

672
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: Amanda Nunez has single handedly killed the most valuable women

673
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: in the sport, brutally damaging to UFC. Nunez isn't in

674
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: the same marketing ballpark as either of those two. You know,

675
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: I'm actually like glad we can reflect on this for

676
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: a moment. You know, Listen, here's the reality. I'm not

677
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: saying that what he is not. Everything that he's saying

678
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: is true. There's a certain level of marketing appeal that

679
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: Amanda does have that is valuable. But here's what he misses.

680
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: Even if he's right about that, that it was damaging

681
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: to lose Ronda Rowsei's marketing potential at its peak and

682
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: then Cyborg everything that had built up for her. Even

683
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: if he's right that he took all that and from

684
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: home and from tape and from everybody else. Dude, this

685
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: is what I said on Saturday, and I will love

686
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: to get your take on this. Amanda Nunez was so

687
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: great she left the UFC no choice, no choice, Because

688
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: if you are as talented as Amanda was, and you

689
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: were beating the names that she was beating in to

690
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: your point, BC, beating them the way that she was

691
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 1: beating them, she was owed a level of reverence that

692
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: it doesn't necessarily matter that it was bad for business,

693
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: because if you just want to be taken even halfway

694
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: seriously or understand what the talent in front of you

695
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: is generational, you are required. You are required to give

696
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: that the oxygen that it needs to breathe and see

697
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: where it goes, even if it's not necessarily the best

698
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: for your marketing business. Nunez made them do.

699
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 2: That, indeed, indeed, and it's it's those comments, look like

700
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 2: you said, were there some truth to what Ravela is saying. Yes,

701
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 2: people like Ronda, you know, and Cyborg to a smaller degree,

702
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 2: just have a bigger brand, a bigger jump through the

703
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 2: sh than newness. But that comment also in hindsight kind

704
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 2: of reeks of like, oh, she's beating all the really

705
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 2: good looking women, and you know this is not what

706
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 2: the UFC wants. She's beating all these great fighters. No,

707
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 2: she is the great fighter. It turns out, Okay, she

708
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 2: is that and you know, is she a monster singular

709
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 2: pay per view draw? Well, who is Luke in UFC history? Seriously,

710
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 2: who is who is that singular draw that It doesn't

711
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 2: matter who they're fighting, people will tune in, and people

712
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 2: will tune in in droves. It's Ronda Ralsei, It's Connor McGregor,

713
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 2: it's brock Lessner, it's at times for a beat, for

714
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 2: a stretch, John Jones and GSP. But it's nobody else

715
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 2: after that to be able to be very fair with you.

716
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 2: So that's always been an unfair comparison to begin with.

717
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's just another hurdle she has had to clear.

718
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 2: And Luke, it doesn't even get into the personal side

719
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 2: and the ambassadorship of not only just being a great

720
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 2: female fighter, but outspoken in the gay community and building

721
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 2: a family within UFC grounds. I mean, this is in

722
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 2: every aspec An American dreams story of somebody coming to

723
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 2: the States with nothing and building them up. And look

724
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 2: at the life she has now. I don't agree a

725
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 2: lot with what Danna says, particularly in the past year, Luke,

726
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 2: but everything he said postfight about who Amanda is now

727
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 2: and while why he's not surprised that she would walk

728
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 2: away on top. It rings true. She beat the game,

729
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 2: and she beat the game dominantly. And is there a

730
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 2: better resume you could have? Is there a better exit

731
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 2: situation than going out on your terms? And they're not saying,

732
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 2: but wait, you didn't fight that person, but wait, you

733
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 2: didn't do that. She did it all, Luke. The only

734
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 2: person that's saying but wait is Juliana Pana. And I

735
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,760
Speaker 2: think you know, collectively, even if silently, we all agree

736
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 2: that that's just you know, because there's nobody else.

737
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: Danny Sigura had an interesting tweet to your point. B See,

738
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: he's got a gazillion retweets. He wrote, Amanda Dunez retires

739
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 1: with money, health, legacy, and on top of the fight game.

740
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 1: He writes, you're looking at a winner. Few leave with

741
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: one or two of those things, and almost nobody leaves

742
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: with all four. Again, money, health, leg and then of

743
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: course status in the fight game at the time in

744
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: which she retired. I would quibble a little bit with that.

745
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: I think her legacy is great, certainly on top of

746
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 1: the fight game. Do laying down two belts and being

747
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 1: like you can fucking have them back? You, you lames,

748
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: can't take it from me. I'll just have to donate

749
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: it to you, like as a charity, cause that's a beast.

750
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,720
Speaker 1: And with money. I think she probably made some good money.

751
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: I do think that her health was probably a little

752
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: bit more compromise than we realized. I just don't think

753
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: you can fight until your thirties, even at a high level,

754
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,280
Speaker 1: even as successfully as she has, without a few problems.

755
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: She kind of indicated that she had had some health

756
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 1: issues that folks around her it made them want her

757
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: to retire years ago. She's just gonna kind of kept

758
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: fighting through it. But I think the general spirit of

759
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 1: what he is saying is true. She retires if she

760
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: doesn't come back. We see she retires in a way

761
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: that's like, dude, you want to look at what a

762
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: successful MMA career looks like. They're not going to come

763
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,720
Speaker 1: much better than this. No, just not going to come much.

764
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 2: To close on this. I love her own version of

765
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 2: dunking the post pri press conference where she's like, whoever

766
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 2: wins this spelled after me to fake belt. Whoever beats

767
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 2: that person for the bell after them, they've still got

768
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 2: a fake belt. I mean, you know you can argue

769
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,879
Speaker 2: with her, Luke, can you argue with her? No?

770
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: Just anytime soon? Not anytime soon? All right. See, let's

771
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: talk about what some folks are calling the real main event,

772
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: although Banil Darus hated that description of it. Nevertheless, the

773
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: co main event for UFC two eighty nine, where Charles

774
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 1: Olivera gets back to I won't say rare form BC,

775
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: but I'll say top form in having some struggles with

776
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: Banil d'arus throughout the portion of that round, but in

777
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:40,280
Speaker 1: the end getting a stoppage and doing it absolutely brutally

778
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 1: so BC after stopping him in the first round. There

779
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: here's my question for you. Should Charles Olivera be next

780
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: for Islam Makachev?

781
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 2: He should? He should? Luke. I do think that the

782
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 2: silo with the with the BMF rematch is separate, meaning

783
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 2: if they needed to insert the winner of that into

784
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 2: Amahachev fight for marketing, per P or no one else

785
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 2: better at that moment, they could have. But how are

786
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 2: you going to deny Charles Olivera, Luke, The champion has

787
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 2: a name and it's not Charles oliver at the moment.

788
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 2: Despite his very bombastic post fight speech and jumping of

789
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 2: the cage, and running into the crowd. But that doesn't

790
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 2: mean it can't be him again. I know he got

791
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 2: dominated by Mahachev in ways that we didn't see coming.

792
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 2: But let's let's give this man, you know, some respect

793
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 2: here he mentioned throughout that's not me. That's one bad night.

794
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,240
Speaker 2: I almost, in hindsight support his want to not even

795
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 2: watch that fight, not even allow those bad moments to

796
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 2: come back up again. I didn't see struggle like you

797
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 2: mentioned against der Use. I saw moments where he was

798
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 2: okay with the fight going to the ground. And yes,

799
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 2: Derry Use is competent enough as a grappler that there

800
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 2: were some he had to work for it. I mean,

801
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 2: it wasn't easy. But the reason why I predicted him

802
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,439
Speaker 2: to win Luke was from the standpoint that he's better,

803
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,479
Speaker 2: He's better than der Usch and the motivation he had

804
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 2: coming in to remind us of that. You could feel it.

805
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 2: You couldn't deny him against mahacheving a rematch. I love

806
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 2: that Dana loved it so much that he basically said,

807
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 2: I don't make fights after but yeah, let's not play games.

808
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 2: This is the fight I want. I think it's the

809
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 2: fight this division deserves, even with the one sided nature

810
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,240
Speaker 2: of it, because what we are watching in this second

811
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,919
Speaker 2: half of Oliver's career, the all time leader in submissions,

812
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 2: all time leader and finishes, and now and now three

813
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 2: wins off of Jim Miller for the all time leading

814
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 2: winner in UFC history. Luke, there are gonna be people

815
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 2: to say, hey, BC, don't you jump on it whenever

816
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 2: a compiler takes over the the lead, if it's Seroni,

817
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 2: or if it's our Lavsky, or if it's Jim Miller.

818
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 2: And I know the word compiler in this case just

819
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 2: screams disrespect, but it's not really what I'm trying to say.

820
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 2: I am trying to swim through it. If somebody like

821
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 2: Charles olivera of championship pedigree, ends up taking over that record,

822
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 2: you know that's a monster block on his Hall of

823
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 2: Fame resume. In my opinion, he's already secured that he's

824
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 2: already in the afterlife from the standpoint of what he

825
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,879
Speaker 2: has already accomplished. But the key point of this dari

826
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 2: Us fright is he's not done, Luke, and I am

827
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 2: not going to count him out. I know the odds

828
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,280
Speaker 2: already came out for the idea of a rematch against Islam,

829
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 2: and you know Mahichev rightfully so after that performance is

830
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 2: a solid, strong, almost overwhelming favorite. You cannot count this

831
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 2: man out of it because nobody in this game has

832
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 2: the combination of being that dangerous but being that poised

833
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 2: and comfortable with courting danger, with forcing you to fight

834
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 2: his fight, which is what he did against Dara Use

835
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 2: right off the start, jumping spin. I mean it was,

836
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 2: it was Charlie Olivera. Shit, It's fantastic, Luke, but he

837
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 2: still got it, and he still got it in a

838
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 2: massive way. I don't know, man, I did not expect

839
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 2: to be coming out of this fight, even having predict

840
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 2: oliver to win, that I would be this jazzed up

841
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 2: for him getting a second chance at Majev. But I

842
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 2: think it is the right fight right now in the division.

843
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 2: It makes a lot of sense in Olivera's career arc,

844
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 2: and I think we're gonna see theater when they do

845
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 2: it a second time.

846
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: It has to be Charlie olives he you know, I

847
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: thought the way that Islam be Olivera was so thorough

848
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 1: that I'll be like, dude, I mean, yeah, beating Banil

849
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 1: darry uch S would be tough, but you know, maybe

850
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: he could do it in a way that would get

851
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 1: you know, that would make me believe that a second

852
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: fight would go differently, like we'd really get out there

853
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: and convinced this. But I thought, you know, even if

854
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 1: he would win, that's gonna be hard to do. Yeah, No,

855
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: not that hard, not that hard. In the end, he

856
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:21,879
Speaker 1: did it in less than a round, it turned out.

857
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 1: And when I say difficulty, I don't mean like he

858
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,280
Speaker 1: was getting his ass beat or something. But he failed

859
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: on a takedown. He settled for full and then he

860
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: tries to go for like this reap off of this

861
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 1: deep half grip, and then he was trying to do

862
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 1: backside fifty to fifty, and all of it was getting

863
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: shut down by darry Usch. I know, it kind of

864
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:40,720
Speaker 1: looked like, you know, the thing is, sometimes olivera doesn't

865
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 1: get that close with these leg entanglements, but he ends

866
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 1: up just making guys defend it all the time like

867
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: whack a mole, and so he's got them in this

868
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 1: process that just goes on and on and on. But

869
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: the reason I said that is because Darry used actually

870
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,879
Speaker 1: did a really good job systemically shutting it down. Okay,

871
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: but neither here nor there, because this is the point

872
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,720
Speaker 1: about Charles oliv I was like, dude, obviously he looked

873
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:03,879
Speaker 1: ready to go. But one thing you mentioned, the jumping stuff.

874
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: Actually he cut that out. He didn't do the run

875
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 1: jumping spinning a run jumping switchne that he always does.

876
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 1: He kept his feet on this, Luke.

877
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 2: But he said a tone is what I was trying

878
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 2: to say in the first minute, that like, I'm coming

879
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,800
Speaker 2: after you. This wasn't counter punching Charles Oliver.

880
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: Yes, he had the exact same intensity, just a smarter application.

881
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. You saw the exact same Charles Oliver,

882
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: just not doing the dumb shit that got him in

883
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: trouble in previous fights. So he ironed out some of

884
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 1: that stuff. And then when things didn't go well, he's

885
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: just dude. He is constantly attacking. Oh my god, you

886
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: have to solve so many defensive problems before you can

887
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: even even get your offense going. How about this underneath?

888
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: After he kind of he failed in a takedown, he

889
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,439
Speaker 1: settles for underneath. Okay, that one didn't go his way.

890
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: He starts working his guard. The leg entanglements don't go

891
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: his way, and he goes back to full and then

892
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: he's still kind of winning the striking battle underneath. I

893
00:41:57,719 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 1: didn't really notice it in real time because I was

894
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: paying attention to some other stuff, but like an even

895
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: under on bottom position, he's still doing all of this

896
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: stuff better than Derry Yusch can get through. And der

897
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: Usch is, by the way, some pretty good ground abound

898
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: on top of it, and then on top and then

899
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: when they get back to standing, BC, the head kick

900
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: plus the two right hands that followed up forcing him

901
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 1: at an angle. Dude, he can take a fight that

902
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 1: goes from a defensive lull to your in trouble in

903
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: an instant. In an instant, he can make the fight

904
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 1: go from safe to your drowning before you can even

905
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 1: finish blinking your eyes. That is what makes Charles Olavera

906
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: so special. I said this on Saturday NIGHTBC, and I

907
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: bet you agree, which is maybe we kind of thought

908
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 1: a little bit, At least I did. After he lost

909
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: to Makatchev. I thought Mikachev may have written the blueprint

910
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: on him because it was so bad. Yeah, good luck

911
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: following that blueprint. Because if benil dery Usch can't do it,

912
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: not many guys can.

913
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 2: But here's the thing. Here's where, here's where a big

914
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 2: reason why I like this rematch so much is because

915
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 2: it's going to challenge Charles to show how great he really,

916
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 2: really really is. What I mean by that is he

917
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 2: tried the same strategy that had had success against all

918
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 2: that straight run of elite brawlers, of the poiriers, of

919
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 2: the gay cheese, of you know, Kevin Lee, before that,

920
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 2: of anyone he was able to lure into his type

921
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 2: of fight. Machev is is just he just doesn't play

922
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 2: those games right. Oliver found that out the hard way,

923
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 2: but now coming back refining his game to your point

924
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 2: just enough to not be reckless against their use, but

925
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 2: to still be constantly a problem. I want to see

926
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 2: what type of game plan he can concoct this time

927
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 2: around from Mahachev. What parts of his greatness can he

928
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 2: bring out of it that he didn't think he needed

929
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 2: to use that now he realizes against somebody that poised,

930
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 2: that defensively sound, that rock solid, who has better striking

931
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 2: than we realized, and obviously has a lights out ground game,

932
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 2: either you know, wrestling wise or now submission wise we saw.

933
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 2: I want to see. I want to see what he

934
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 2: can really do, because the stats have piled up around him.

935
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 2: As we mentioned where you just can't Oliver anymore. Whether

936
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,320
Speaker 2: we're talking about the debate of who the greatest lightweight

937
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 2: is of all time? Okay, still Habi, but Oliver is

938
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 2: certainly right there. But I think OLIVERA has a chance

939
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 2: to really put himself high up there, you know, in

940
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 2: the all time list, and I don't mean necessarily like

941
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 2: upper table, but he has He is still operating at

942
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 2: a level right now that it is not impossible that

943
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 2: he ends up with the championship again, not not betting

944
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 2: what betting wise, you know, there's reasons for it not

945
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 2: to be, you know, a pick them for sure, But dude,

946
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 2: we are gonna have to ask a lot of him

947
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 2: in this Mahucheffrey match, and I want to see if

948
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 2: he can answer that bell because his mental toughness, which

949
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 2: you need to get to this level, but the mental

950
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 2: toughness to reinvent himself to come back to go on

951
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 2: the run. He had have an end and then come

952
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,439
Speaker 2: back like you did against Star Use. This guy's next

953
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 2: level extra special, And damn again, I'll say it, I'm surprised.

954
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 2: I am this jazzed up for a fight that was

955
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 2: so one sided, just one fight a go, But it's

956
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 2: the fight to make and I can't wait to see it.

957
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 2: Stay with the blonde hair, Charlie, Okay, you're a I mean, Luke,

958
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 2: you know what vibes he has. He has those vibes

959
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 2: where you know, you go home for the weekend at

960
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 2: college thinking everything's okay, and your girlfriend ends up in

961
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 2: his bunk bed. Those are the vibes he has right

962
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 2: now that he brings to the cage, and I love it.

963
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 2: I can smell that a mile away. I just love it.

964
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: You love being the cuck? Is that what you said?

965
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 2: No? No, I know, I just love that spirit. I

966
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 2: mean he walks into the party with his pants already off. Luke, Okay,

967
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,720
Speaker 2: that's the spirit he brings to this show, all right? Yeah?

968
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, he certainly does. Uh yeah he I It's funny

969
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 1: given how close the fight with Makachev and Volkanovski was.

970
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: I know a lot of folks might say that, especially

971
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: because Volkonoski's use me because Makachev versus Olivera was not

972
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: that competitive the first time. But I have a very

973
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: different feeling about it, which is gonna say, I don't

974
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: think Volkanoski could get it done with a second attempt.

975
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: He was pretty close the first time. I think he

976
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 1: probably could. But this one made me reimagine what Mukachev

977
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: versus Olivera could look like. And again you might still

978
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 1: favor to your point, Makachev no matter what, but this

979
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:59,439
Speaker 1: Olivera sharpening up. But he's, dude, he just constantly take

980
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 1: He's not really at the point where he's adding much anymore. BC.

981
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 1: Have you noticed that, Like he's not. He's added so

982
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 1: much already to his game. It's really not about that now.

983
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: It's about subtracting some of these things, right. That's when

984
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,479
Speaker 1: you really know you're at the level of refinement, because

985
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: he can do it all. The question is, let's get

986
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: you to make some slightly better decisions on some other

987
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 1: places and see what that does for you. Holy fucking shit,

988
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: it does a lot, man, because you don't have to

989
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: teach him new things, you don't have to get them

990
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 1: ready for all that other stuff. You just have to

991
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 1: make them make some better choices and some better circumstances.

992
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,240
Speaker 1: So the fact that you can now reimagine what Makachev

993
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: Olavera looks like to me, I think is extremely exciting.

994
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 1: And also let's just talk about the you know, get

995
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: down to brass tacks here a little bit. I don't

996
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: even know if McGregor or Chandler are going to fight,

997
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: And obviously, if McGregor wins via spectacular ko, you would

998
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 1: imagine he's gonna move to the front of the line

999
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 1: very easily harder to say with Chandler, but not out

1000
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: of the realm of possibility. And I know next month

1001
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 1: we have Dustin and Justin two. In all respect to

1002
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: both of those guys, great fight, love it, not gonna

1003
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: shit talk it even for a little bit, but the

1004
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: reality is olivera beat by finish both of those gentlemen. Yes,

1005
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:12,280
Speaker 1: the only acceptable choice is Charles OLIVERA next.

1006
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to ask you one key question because

1007
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 2: I mentioned that I in hindsight, I kind of liked

1008
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:18,879
Speaker 2: that He's like, forget that Mahajev fight, I'm not watching it.

1009
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 2: Did you like though, the post fight interview where even

1010
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,879
Speaker 2: when dcted up, Hey, Mahajeff just tweeted about you and said,

1011
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 2: you know, there's levels to this game, Charlie still acted like,

1012
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 2: I don't even hear that. I'm still the champion. Hey, crowd,

1013
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,399
Speaker 2: who's the champion. He was teasing the line of going

1014
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 2: too far with it right there? Did you agree with that?

1015
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that I really paid too much attention

1016
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 1: to that. I will say this, that was he was

1017
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,919
Speaker 1: trying to speak English, So shouts to him for trying

1018
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 1: to do that. I know that's not easy, so I

1019
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: appreciated that. You know, I think he was really happy

1020
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: to be back. And sometimes you you know, Anthony, it

1021
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: reminds me Anthony Joshua after the second USICK fighter. He

1022
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: had lost, so that's front and he just boxed twelve rounds.

1023
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 1: That's also different. But you know, he just said some

1024
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: weird shit. This was like the happy version of that.

1025
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, it's sort of like, no, guys,

1026
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,240
Speaker 2: that fight never happened, but it never happened.

1027
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 1: Right, here's what I'll say. Here's what I'll say.

1028
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 4: BC.

1029
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 1: It's not just like we're making a case for him

1030
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 1: based on him beating a very good opponent. I know

1031
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: he didn't show up on that way and on Saturday

1032
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: night in the way that you would have hoped in

1033
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: the longer since. But Jesus Christ, guys, Banil Drush is

1034
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 1: a very skilled, very good opponent. But the thing that

1035
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: stood out to me BC is Charlie Ollis. You knew

1036
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: this already, but we were questioning where it could go

1037
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: after the Makachev defeat. He has really turned himself into

1038
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 1: a fan favor. The Canadians were going crazy for him

1039
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 1: in Vancouver. I know the fans at home care more

1040
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: about that fight than some of the other ones, including

1041
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: the main event. I really think, yes, he's got a

1042
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: case because of what he's done. He's also got a

1043
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 1: case because you're not making a big trade off. I

1044
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,359
Speaker 1: don't think Connor McGregor, notwithstanding, you're not making a big

1045
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: trade off in pay per view possibilities with that. I

1046
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: actually think you could do really good business with Charlie olivera.

1047
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 2: Absolutely and and you know what else would you want

1048
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 2: if you're a fan of an exciting finisher who's also

1049
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 2: you know, elite and in terms of his skill set

1050
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 2: across the board, but brings the fight constantly. Luke, you

1051
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 2: know Charles, to be fair, he do Bronx better than

1052
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 2: a horny Jeter. After the post game with gift bags,

1053
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.

1054
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: He didn't do the Joe Namath. I just want to

1055
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: kiss you.

1056
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 2: I just want to kiss you.

1057
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Joe there buddy, huh.

1058
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 2: That Twitter imagine that moment in the Twitter era, Luke,

1059
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 2: that moment. I mean, I was called everybody I knew

1060
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 2: after watching that live, you know what I mean? I had.

1061
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 2: I had to put the bong down for a second

1062
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 2: and pick up the landline and be like, guys, did

1063
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 2: you just see what I did? Or am I really

1064
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 2: high right now?

1065
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 3: You know?

1066
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: I mean why they made they made a website after that?

1067
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: Remember that kissing Susie Colbert Colbert whatever? How did she

1068
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 1: pronounce her last name?

1069
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, Colbert?

1070
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,879
Speaker 1: And I was like, you guys are making a website

1071
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 1: based off of sexual harassment that happened on No dude,

1072
00:49:58,080 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 1: I know.

1073
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 2: So that was probably like two thousand and one ish,

1074
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 2: and we just instantly just put the sexual harassment side

1075
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 2: away and was like man drunk name with rules, right, yeah? No, yeah,

1076
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 2: it turns out no, it turns out no.

1077
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: But all right, yeah, uh okay, you see any of

1078
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: the final thoughts on Charlie Olives and Menil Daria. But

1079
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: by the way, for darry USh, I think when he

1080
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: thirty five years of age, in all likelihood not going

1081
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 1: to get back here. I think he still got some

1082
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: good wins left in him.

1083
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 2: Oh.

1084
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: One thing I did want to say, dude, both of

1085
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 1: those guys looked bad at the weigh ins. We didn't

1086
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: talk about Baca, we didn't get a chance to see it.

1087
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 1: Both of them looked really bad. Now here's what I'm

1088
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:38,320
Speaker 1: gonna say. Olivera was like smacking his mouth trying to smile,

1089
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 1: and that was like because he had cotton mouth so bad,

1090
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 1: which was terrible to see. There was video or a

1091
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: photo anyway of Daryush sort of pointing out his wedding

1092
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:47,839
Speaker 1: ring and the space between his finger and the top

1093
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 1: of the ring. I'm not gonna say that it's a

1094
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 1: factor in the way that like I'm trying to undercut

1095
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: Olivera's win, because my argument's gonna be it looked like

1096
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: both of them were severely drained from the weight cuts,

1097
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: so it's a wash in the end. But here's what

1098
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: I do. Wonder do we think that dary Yusha's chin

1099
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: is affected by that weight cut, like in a real way.

1100
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 2: It could be, could be. He also got hit pretty

1101
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 2: pretty flushed Luke with Charles Olavera shots. But I mean,

1102
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, I mean, dude, way cutting is so

1103
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 2: god it's so freaking brutal, barbaric and gnarly and unsafe

1104
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 2: and unhealthy. And I know everybody does it. My neighbor,

1105
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 2: the great high school wrestler does, like Creme. I mean,

1106
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 2: it's just part of the fabric of these combat sports.

1107
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 2: But damn is it not safe, not smart, not built

1108
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 2: in for a long longevity in this game or even

1109
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 2: on this earth to make such extreme cuts. Yeah, it

1110
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,879
Speaker 2: had to affect him to some degree, but I don't

1111
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 2: think that's the reason he lost. Luke, he lost because

1112
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 2: the champion has a name, to be fair.

1113
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, champion does have a name.

1114
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's much Yeah, yeah.

1115
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:57,240
Speaker 1: It's it's Reggie Jackson.

1116
00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, oh yeah.

1117
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:01,919
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to topic number four here bc

1118
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 1: UFC T two eighty nine card excuse me. And of

1119
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 1: course did have some other fights. You know, I'm not

1120
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 1: gonna sit here and say that the fights were of

1121
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 1: poor quality. I don't think that's quite true. And the

1122
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 1: Canadians seemed to be quite happy with it. But you know,

1123
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 1: there wasn't a lot on there that I loved. What

1124
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 1: did what else did up to? You?

1125
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 2: Look there were two things that were like, I mean,

1126
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 2: you ever go over somebody's house to eat and you

1127
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 2: can tell that they know how to cook, but they've

1128
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 2: got one ingredient that's way too prevalent, like overwhelming garlic

1129
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 2: or something. You're just like, man, this would have been

1130
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 2: good in front and stept for that.

1131
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: I'm guessing as a white person that that ingredient for

1132
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 1: you was salt.

1133
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 2: In this case, Luke, there was a little bit too

1134
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 2: much Canada and a lot too much full seting on

1135
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 2: this card right, A lot of.

1136
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:51,359
Speaker 1: Listen, Canada is a wonderful place with wonderful people, let's

1137
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,800
Speaker 1: be very honest. But there was a lot of Canada

1138
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: up in my face.

1139
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, it's It's no different than Patty

1140
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:00,839
Speaker 2: and Molly running circles around the London. I get it.

1141
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:02,879
Speaker 2: People are allowed to have their moment. If we ever

1142
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 2: do a pay per view in Connecticut, look, I'll be

1143
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 2: there on the front row like with my you know,

1144
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 2: ct with the CTE shirt on. But shout out to

1145
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 2: Mike Malat, Shout out to the crowd that almost killed

1146
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,399
Speaker 2: themselves reaching out for him. We'll get to that later.

1147
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 2: He is somebody to watch. He's aggressive, he's fun. But

1148
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,320
Speaker 2: you know, I get it. You guys have freek healthcare.

1149
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 2: You're really happy. But you know, Luke, I mean, am

1150
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 2: I just being a jerk American who was up too

1151
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 2: late on Saturday? I don't know, Maybe I am.

1152
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: No, It's like if America was a woman at Marty Gratz, like, great,

1153
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 1: you have flashed your breasts already, we don't need you

1154
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 1: can fine that you keep doing it that we've already

1155
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 1: seen him.

1156
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 2: Thank you, No, seriously, nice way. Look, I want to

1157
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 2: ask you. I'm sure you covered this in some form

1158
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:50,800
Speaker 2: in the post fight show your extra credit, but should

1159
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 2: we really be dialing into Mike Mallatt as a future

1160
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 2: breakout performer or just a potential ticket mover for Canada.

1161
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 1: I actually think that there's some upside there. I do.

1162
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 1: His opponent was like a thirty four year old fighter

1163
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 1: with you know, a nine to two, nine and three record,

1164
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 1: but not that it was like a poor one. But

1165
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 1: this was not exactly like, hey, he's beating the very

1166
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: best of his yeah fucking vision at the moment. Yeah.

1167
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 1: I know he's had to deal with that all his life.

1168
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: I don't want to add to it because I grew

1169
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: up in the eighties with everyone asking me or telling

1170
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 1: me they were my father father. All right. But to

1171
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: answer the question about Mike Malott, I think there's some

1172
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 1: potential there. He's worth taking seriously. He's a good athlete.

1173
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: The Canadians love him, obviously being a Canadian. He does

1174
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,879
Speaker 1: have some good skill. Everything he does is physical. That

1175
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: guillotine was really nice that he finished it off with

1176
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,799
Speaker 1: good presence of mind. You know, there's a lot there

1177
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 1: that actually could be something. Now you're asking me how

1178
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 1: far can he go? I don't know, but I don't

1179
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 1: think it's fair to be like do I get like

1180
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,879
Speaker 1: Sage north Cut vibes from him? No, not at all.

1181
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:55,800
Speaker 1: He looks to me like much more of a genuine article,

1182
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 1: to the point where it's actually worth pursuing to see

1183
00:54:58,320 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 1: what there really is there because it could be some

1184
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 1: thing we shall see, all right.

1185
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 2: I gotta shout out danygey here Luke because when he

1186
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 2: lost three in a row, when he lost four or

1187
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 2: five against very good competition. But you know, I was

1188
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:12,319
Speaker 2: very critical of I was critical of him head of

1189
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 2: this matchup, but he did come off a resounding ko

1190
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 2: of Jackson last time out. That would go against my

1191
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 2: idea that maybe he doesn't have the top end power

1192
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 2: to be able to, you know, do this against the elites.

1193
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:25,280
Speaker 2: But I will say this, he turned in yet another

1194
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 2: very good performance. He's only thirty one, and yes, it

1195
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 2: was his power that ultimately won him this fight, the clean,

1196
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 2: hard punching that always stopped a game, Nate the train

1197
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:39,280
Speaker 2: from trying to build up momentum and trying to lead anywhere.

1198
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 2: In hindsight, Luke, I do think it was a mistake

1199
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 2: for land Wheir, who told Egay at the press conference, yeah,

1200
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 2: I'll shoot first, I'll take you to the ground and

1201
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 2: submit you. I do think it was a mistake for

1202
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 2: him to avoid bringing the fight to the ground so

1203
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 2: willingly and trying to trade throughout. But damn credit Egay.

1204
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:56,839
Speaker 2: He stood in there against a red hot opponent, one

1205
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 2: who is not easy to beat because he's so hard

1206
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 2: to finish. And while he didn't finish him, Luke, he

1207
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 2: disciplined him. He beat him up. Danny Gay's coming on

1208
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 2: and I was overly critical to mister fifty k there,

1209
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 2: But I'll happily eat some crow here, Luke. He is dangerous.

1210
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 2: He is a he's moving product right now. He's coming on.

1211
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:19,839
Speaker 2: I'm happy to see it sometimes, Luke. Sometimes somebody goes

1212
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 2: through a losing streak and you sort of go, man,

1213
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 2: you know, I want this guy to be something, but

1214
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 2: he's fallen short at a few different turns. What he's

1215
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 2: been able to do? Him and his team after that

1216
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 2: losing streak and turn it around and yeah, big sexy there, Eric,

1217
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 2: Nick Sick part of that team. Happy to see it

1218
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 2: for those guys, Luke, I was waiting for Nick Sick

1219
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 2: to text me after and be like, dude, you were wrong.

1220
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 2: I was coach. I was wrong, all right?

1221
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough speaking to being wrong. How about that

1222
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 1: fight between Random Everick and is it dude? Is it

1223
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:50,320
Speaker 1: Jazmine jaesuita vissius or Jazz divisius Jazz juass Yes, Jazz Divisius.

1224
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 1: That fight was actually fun. I've got to say I

1225
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 1: had been high on Mirandom Maverick coming into the UFC,

1226
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 1: and again we talked about this. On Friday. She had

1227
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 1: the loss to Aaron Lanchfield, which just like, Okay, Blanchfield

1228
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 1: is a hammer, that's no big deal. She's only twenty

1229
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: five years old. And then the law she had to

1230
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: Macy Barber was very controversial. She moves out to Colorado

1231
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 1: to go to Elevation Fight Team. I had still had

1232
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 1: some high hopes, but I don't know, man like this

1233
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 1: one made me rethink some of those things, which is, again,

1234
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 1: I want to be clear, twenty five years old. I'm

1235
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 1: not in any way declaring that, oh, there's no chance

1236
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 1: of her becoming something great. There's still actually quite a

1237
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 1: bit of a good chance. But for the time being,

1238
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 1: it looks smith there's still some development issues that have

1239
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 1: to happen. She had trouble making her entries from range

1240
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 1: were just not really getting the job done. Her coach

1241
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: is telling her not to wrestle, she continued to but

1242
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 1: the real story to me is Jazz Davissius leveled that

1243
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 1: fucking big time here. She looked ready for this challenge,

1244
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 1: well studied for this particular opponent. Nothing surprised her. She

1245
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 1: had answers and aggression for everything. Breakout performance in my

1246
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 1: mind for her.

1247
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 2: This show's the growth, Luke. I've watched her career. I

1248
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 2: actually watched that episode she was on the Dana Woy

1249
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 2: Contender series, and it looked like, Okay, we may have

1250
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 2: something here, and I'll dead wrong myself, not out of Montreal.

1251
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 2: Luke fighting out of anto, so correct me ahead of

1252
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 2: time on that, but I will say she hadn't fought

1253
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 2: this complete of her performance before. This is a big

1254
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 2: leap her in her team. And it was the straight,

1255
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 2: hard punching that essentially kept Maverick from ever gaining momentum

1256
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 2: control trying to take the lead and establish it. But

1257
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 2: the fact that Jasmine dominated her on the ground each

1258
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 2: time Maverick tried to shoot, whether that was to change

1259
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 2: the momentum or to just avoid getting beat up, right,

1260
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 2: Jazz Devicius just shut her down. The takedown defense, the sprawling,

1261
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 2: but the ability to turn that into offense and top position.

1262
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 2: She's coming on Luke and she's not young. I think

1263
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 2: she's like thirty four, but she's big for this division.

1264
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 2: If she can keep working that jab and and you know,

1265
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 2: none of her punches are looping, it's straight to the point, stiff,

1266
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 2: hard punches. This could be interesting moving forward. This was

1267
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 2: This was a really good win for a fighter that

1268
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 2: works really hard but hadn't really shown any plus parts

1269
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 2: to her game in my opinion. After the Contender series,

1270
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 2: you know struggled a bit at times. One a couple

1271
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 2: of fights, she looked like she's putting it together now

1272
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 2: and it's good to see.

1273
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really I thought what she had turned it

1274
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 1: was very impressive. And to the point you raised Jasdavissia's

1275
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 1: thirty four random Maverck twenty five. So there's a big

1276
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 1: gap in terms of well, not so much in terms

1277
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 1: of MMA experience, but she's a more developed person in general,

1278
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 1: maybe developed athlete as well. At twenty five. I think

1279
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 1: Maverick still looks like she's trying to figure some things out,

1280
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 1: so let's give her some space to do that. But

1281
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 1: there was that quickly on the Chris Curtis Nassardine Imovov fight.

1282
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 1: It gets stopped this time the referee jacent Herzog sees it,

1283
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 1: so it ends up being a no contest, so it

1284
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 1: doesn't cost Curtis the win, but both of these guys

1285
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 1: don't get their win bonus as a consequence, so they

1286
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 1: ended up getting paid like they had lost. I suppose

1287
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 1: it's the right outcome, BC, but it is amazing to

1288
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 1: me that there's like this online chatter that like, oh,

1289
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 1: in fact, Curtis quite easily could have continued. He just

1290
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 1: should have lied about not being able to see and

1291
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 1: It's like I get that fighters sometimes do that. In fact,

1292
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 1: many cases, they often do that. They often do that

1293
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 1: to their fucking detriment and end up getting their ass

1294
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 1: kicked for it. Like they're the times where everyone's like,

1295
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 1: pretend you can't see, or pretend you can't see, just lie,

1296
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 1: get through it and then just try harder. Bitch, you're

1297
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 1: gonna get fucking hurt doing shit like that. Yeah, So

1298
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 1: I really don't understand the argument about like Curtis looking

1299
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 1: for a way out. He's never done that before.

1300
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 2: He was not looking for a way out. He was

1301
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 2: almost crying, trying to argue with the referee to keep

1302
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 2: the fight going or to give him more time, all

1303
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 2: of that, rubbing his eyes on the referee, Herzog shirt.

1304
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 2: I mean, no, it wasn't that. But you know, it's like,

1305
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 2: what do we want out of these fighters? We rightfully

1306
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 2: criticize the shit out of TJ. Dillashaw for coming in

1307
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 2: as broken goods and figuring this might be my last

1308
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 2: title shot. I'll just wing it. No, you robbed from yourself,

1309
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,920
Speaker 2: and unfortunately you robbed a big win from Sterling. In

1310
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 2: that regard, I'd rather see this, Luke. I mean, look,

1311
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 2: I get that, you know, if your game and you

1312
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 2: want to play the company man role and you want

1313
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 2: to always be opportunistic. We talk about this a lot, right,

1314
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 2: Everybody wants to prove that they're tough and they're Chris

1315
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 2: Leeban and Cowboys Seroni and they can fight two weeks

1316
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 2: after they were just in a war to fill in.

1317
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 2: But that always catches up with you. I mean, look,

1318
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 2: I think it caught up with Tony Ferguson in a

1319
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 2: huge way how quickly he tried to come around from

1320
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:16,640
Speaker 2: that injury that pulled him out of the Habib title

1321
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 2: fight the fourth or fifth time or whatever. That was, Like,

1322
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 2: there's a price to pay for doing that. I think

1323
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 2: this played out the way it should have. It's certainly

1324
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 2: bad luck twice in a row for Curtis, but he

1325
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 2: shouldn't have to go through the rest of the fight

1326
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 2: like that in a situation where it's not his fault,

1327
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 2: you know.

1328
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, yeah. People said, well, don't tell the

1329
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 1: referee that you can't see, but sometimes they do that

1330
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 1: on instinct. I agree that they shouldn't. I will say

1331
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 1: this for fighters, they should have the presence of mind

1332
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 1: to know that even if it's accidental or you think

1333
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 1: it's not a big deal to tell the referee that

1334
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 1: you can't see. Once you do tell the referee you

1335
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 1: can't see, or you're actually using his shirt to wipe

1336
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:59,959
Speaker 1: your eye, you know they're getting them to come back

1337
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 1: from that. To not stop the fight will be difficult, right,

1338
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 1: just as human beings if they see you using your

1339
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 1: literal clothing and the saying I can't see. I think

1340
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:10,440
Speaker 1: he was doing that in his mind to buy time,

1341
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 1: That's what he was trying to do. But also he

1342
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 1: didn't note on Twitter like you could have this clash

1343
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 1: of heads or an invertent headbutt and there could be

1344
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 1: different timing for whether or not you get five minutes

1345
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 1: or not. In this particular case, he did not get

1346
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 1: five minutes.

1347
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 2: So yeah, well you know, I mean, what did Terry

1348
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 2: Silver teach us in KK three, Luke, you know, author

1349
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 2: of the Quicksilver Method. Man can't see, he can't fight? Okay,

1350
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 2: what do you want from this guy? Luke? He didn't

1351
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 2: pull himself in the eye if he's just being honest,

1352
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 2: even if he's scared. If he's scared, I mean, wouldn't

1353
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 2: you be scared, Luke? If the referees saying you're ready

1354
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 2: to go back out there and you can't see out

1355
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 2: of one eye, supposed to just lieing and fight with

1356
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:52,720
Speaker 2: one like like you're Joe Frazier or something, No, no,

1357
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 2: you know, or Michael Bisping, Luke, or.

1358
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 1: Like you could do it if you're like, oh, I'm

1359
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 1: good at takedowns and this guy sucks them and I

1360
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 1: can rely on that way to win. But you can't

1361
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 1: rely on that way to win against Imavo. Have you

1362
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 1: got to stand up with that guy for the most

1363
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 1: part probably or deal with his takedowns, which you saw

1364
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:12,960
Speaker 1: a little bit in that round as well. Yeah, dude,

1365
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 1: if you can't see, you should not fucking fight like

1366
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:18,520
Speaker 1: people like Chris Curtis. Quit out there. Chris Curtis will

1367
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 1: box your fucking ears off. Bitch. You gotta be real careful, bitch.

1368
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:25,080
Speaker 2: Look, I gotta say one thing. You know. I'm a

1369
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 2: I'm a up and coming combat sports fight announcer as

1370
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 2: you are, so you know I I tend to nitpick

1371
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 2: or mostly.

1372
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 1: A failed version of one, but you're still up and coming.

1373
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm sportline the same thing, Luke.

1374
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:38,439
Speaker 2: But I'm trying to harden all right. But the whole

1375
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 2: point is this. You know, we all have our favorites,

1376
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 2: and I've talked up a lot that I really think

1377
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 2: Dom Cruise has become Although he's not everybody's taste, he's

1378
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:47,960
Speaker 2: become my choice for that third seed of the ex

1379
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 2: fighter spot. I think it should be John Annick in

1380
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 2: the one spot. I think DC over Rogan for my

1381
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 2: personal entertainment in that second spot. But I've always been

1382
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 2: big on Tom Cruise. But I gotta say Paul Felder

1383
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:01,120
Speaker 2: called a hell of a paper review card on Saturday,

1384
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 2: and I've always liked him and I've never disliked him

1385
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 2: as an announcer, but I think Saturday I really took notice,

1386
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 2: paid attention closely and felt like he complimented the other

1387
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 2: two beautifully. His explanations in a simple way for casual

1388
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 2: fans on the air is very refreshing, but at the

1389
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 2: same time he can do the deep dive breakdown of

1390
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:21,240
Speaker 2: what's going on. I think he is really starting to

1391
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:24,480
Speaker 2: elevate himself. Luke that you know he may be passing

1392
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 2: Don Cruse soon on my own personal choice if they

1393
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:29,120
Speaker 2: if they ended up going, this is the A team

1394
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 2: d c Anak and Felder and obviously Rogan's still there

1395
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:34,360
Speaker 2: and still adds a lot, but I wouldn't be against

1396
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 2: that shout out to Paul Felder for making waves in

1397
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 2: this It's not an easy job, Luke, not an easy

1398
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 2: job to do, and you know they only call about

1399
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 2: nineteen fights a night, you know what I'm saying, And

1400
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 2: he's doing a great job. So I wanted to shout

1401
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 2: that out.

1402
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:46,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, Paul Felder did great. I thought there was hardly

1403
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 1: any complaints I heard about him on social media. I

1404
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 1: think most folks will like the call. I would actually

1405
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 1: argue that, like if you go back and you watch

1406
01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 1: some of the UFCS smaller tier shows where you end

1407
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:58,120
Speaker 1: up getting Brendan Fitzgerald, Paul Felder and Laura Sanko typically

1408
01:04:58,200 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 1: for example, you want times you might I think Dan

1409
01:04:59,880 --> 01:05:01,680
Speaker 1: Hill does some of those calls. I can't remember, but

1410
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 1: in general, when you get the Felder Sancho combination, that's

1411
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 1: the best combo. I think to learn something new for me.

1412
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:12,120
Speaker 1: It is certainly like when I listen when those two

1413
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 1: are together. Is to say, I culdland something from DC

1414
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 1: or from DOM. You can, but I'm saying for a

1415
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 1: full broadcast, Felder and Senko together. That's the one where

1416
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:22,320
Speaker 1: you need to get the notepad out where you can

1417
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 1: learn a whole lot of new stuff.

1418
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:25,760
Speaker 2: And look, I don't have a problem with Rogan. He's

1419
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:28,160
Speaker 2: still classic. It still means a lot when he's there.

1420
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:31,920
Speaker 2: I just think him and DC together bring out the

1421
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 2: worst in each other. So I think if you have

1422
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 2: that straight man or woman in the third spot, and

1423
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 2: in this case it was Felder who also can be

1424
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:41,000
Speaker 2: humorous as well and be cheeky and funny, I think

1425
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:42,720
Speaker 2: it worked out great. I like it. I like it. Yeah,

1426
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:45,400
Speaker 2: keep it going. And I like Brendan Fitzgerald too, Luke,

1427
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:48,240
Speaker 2: He's a solid solid.

1428
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:51,960
Speaker 1: If Brendan Fitzgerald is like criminally underrated, yeah, how good

1429
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 1: he is. He is very very he has a very

1430
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 1: bright future in MMA or other places, so he's really good.

1431
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:01,040
Speaker 1: I like him a lot. All right with that, BC,

1432
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:02,840
Speaker 1: let's turn our attention if we can. I want to

1433
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 1: remind fulks one more time. We did talk about the

1434
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:07,840
Speaker 1: entire premium card on extra Credit. That's already up. I

1435
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:09,960
Speaker 1: recorded that bitch at three in the morning, so go

1436
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 1: watch that, have a gander at it. We're going to

1437
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:13,920
Speaker 1: bring that back, certainly for pay per view. Nights and

1438
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 1: some other big ones as well. I'm gonna get you

1439
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 1: that instant reaction right after it's over. Okay, all right,

1440
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:21,680
Speaker 1: But with that being said, point number five, BC, let's

1441
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:25,800
Speaker 1: start on the boxing side of things with Teo Femo Lopez. Wow,

1442
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:30,040
Speaker 1: what a return to form made. BC and I absolutely

1443
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:32,120
Speaker 1: shut our mouths. But it wasn't just us. He was

1444
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 1: the betting underdog heading into this contest, and a lot

1445
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:38,880
Speaker 1: of people thought his entire life was in turmoil. BC.

1446
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 1: I know the scores were close. I don't know if

1447
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 1: you want to get into it, but in our mind,

1448
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:46,200
Speaker 1: here's what I'm gonna say, A very clear, unanimous decision

1449
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:48,320
Speaker 1: win eight rounds to four was how I had it

1450
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 1: for Lopez. BC, where did that guy come from? Where

1451
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 1: has he been? Explain what happened to me on Saturday night?

1452
01:06:57,240 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really hard because you know the fact, when

1453
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:02,919
Speaker 2: he puts in a performance that elde I mean that,

1454
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 2: that's that's almost the version he was against Lomachenko. And

1455
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:08,760
Speaker 2: I'm not saying Josh Taylor had a great fight. He didn't.

1456
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:12,560
Speaker 2: Josh Taylor is a great fighter who was humbled and disciplined,

1457
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:17,040
Speaker 2: but it's because Lopez raised his game when it mattered most.

1458
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:20,440
Speaker 2: The guy Lopez was in the last two fights at

1459
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:23,960
Speaker 2: one point forty, who was just uneven, who was just

1460
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 2: you know, remember that after the close win over Sandor Martin.

1461
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:31,200
Speaker 2: Do I still have it when he needed it most?

1462
01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:33,880
Speaker 2: When look, I'm not saying that his life still isn't

1463
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:36,160
Speaker 2: in turmoil. I know in hindsight. Now we have to

1464
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:38,520
Speaker 2: figure out how much of that craziness in the build

1465
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:41,480
Speaker 2: up was real, how much of it was legitimately alarming.

1466
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:44,200
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what's truly going on. He's legitimately going

1467
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:47,160
Speaker 2: through a bitter divorce right now. He seems to legitimately

1468
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:49,600
Speaker 2: be in turmoil over the custody battle for his son

1469
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:52,160
Speaker 2: and losing half of his money, and it seems like

1470
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:54,360
Speaker 2: the day to day life of him being the son

1471
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:57,640
Speaker 2: of his very over the top fighter trainer, like that's

1472
01:07:57,720 --> 01:08:01,640
Speaker 2: just constant turmoil. Watch the Mark ESPN interview if you haven't,

1473
01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:04,440
Speaker 2: that came out last Friday. The two of them are arguing.

1474
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 2: I mean, Tao's saying I want to die in the ring.

1475
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 2: I mean, like literally, he's romanticizing the idea of I

1476
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:10,919
Speaker 2: want to die in the ring. It could not be

1477
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 2: more disturbing. His father tried to jump in and be like, no,

1478
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:17,519
Speaker 2: stop doing this, stop like you know, talking like that,

1479
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:19,439
Speaker 2: and Tayo's like, see what I have to deal with.

1480
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:23,639
Speaker 2: We had more than enough reasons to be concerned about

1481
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:26,479
Speaker 2: his mental status, about his future, not as a fighter

1482
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:29,320
Speaker 2: but as a man. I think we still do, so

1483
01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:31,640
Speaker 2: I don't want to lose that. I think he is

1484
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:35,880
Speaker 2: going through inner turmoil. The difference is like the great ones,

1485
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:37,280
Speaker 2: and I don't know if he's going to end up

1486
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 2: on this level of a Floyd Mayweather or of John Jones,

1487
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:43,800
Speaker 2: who is historically very few people, but I always bring

1488
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:47,720
Speaker 2: it up, Luke. They're unflappable. Their life could be chaos,

1489
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:50,599
Speaker 2: but when it matters and the lights are the brightest,

1490
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:54,760
Speaker 2: they come out and they shine. This was a breakthrough

1491
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:57,679
Speaker 2: performance for a twenty five year old who literally looked

1492
01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:00,760
Speaker 2: like he was on the brink of destruct And I

1493
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 2: don't think one great win as this was fixes everything personally.

1494
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:06,760
Speaker 2: He said it afterwards, I don't want to talk about

1495
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:09,160
Speaker 2: my next opponent. My next opponent's in the courtroom trying

1496
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:12,719
Speaker 2: to win back my son. That's serious stuff. But let's

1497
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:17,600
Speaker 2: not look past how freaking brilliant this performance was. I

1498
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:19,920
Speaker 2: did see Ring Magazine come out with a feature ahead

1499
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:21,639
Speaker 2: of this fight Luke that I felt in the moment

1500
01:09:22,320 --> 01:09:25,799
Speaker 2: was not disturbing, but a little bit you know, off brand,

1501
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 2: where they were like Tao's fooling everybody, He's the maestro

1502
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:33,160
Speaker 2: in hindsight. Look, I'm not really sure how much of

1503
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:36,559
Speaker 2: this was him purposely putting out a crazy narrative so

1504
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:39,120
Speaker 2: that we wouldn't talk about what the personal issues he's

1505
01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:41,240
Speaker 2: going through, the fact that he hasn't looked great lately.

1506
01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:41,880
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1507
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:45,120
Speaker 2: I don't know what the balance is between how much

1508
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 2: of this ahead of time was him literally showing us

1509
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:49,800
Speaker 2: a cry for help of how hard his life is

1510
01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:51,960
Speaker 2: and he just happened to be able to turn it

1511
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:54,360
Speaker 2: up when it mattered. But from a boxing side, not

1512
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 2: a personal side. He turned it up in a pound

1513
01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:59,800
Speaker 2: fer pound way. Josh Taylor is as big as you

1514
01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:03,120
Speaker 2: can find for a skilled opponent at one forty, and

1515
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:07,880
Speaker 2: Josh Taylor had a tremendous first round, backing Tayo up

1516
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 2: with those long counter you know, long shots over the

1517
01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:12,719
Speaker 2: top and the big jab. From that point on, Luke,

1518
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:18,759
Speaker 2: Tao completely disarmed him, disciplined him, did what he wanted

1519
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:20,720
Speaker 2: with him. Do you remember that moment after round one

1520
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:24,080
Speaker 2: when Tao's dad was like, figure him out already, and

1521
01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 2: Tayo said, don't worry, I got it, dad, I got

1522
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:28,719
Speaker 2: it already. I thought that was going to be a major,

1523
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:31,720
Speaker 2: like you know, big red flag moment. No. Do you

1524
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:33,639
Speaker 2: know how Tao Fema won this fight? His dad would

1525
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 2: say afterwards that he had screwed up in recent fights

1526
01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:38,680
Speaker 2: trying to get Tao to be the boxer to do

1527
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:40,800
Speaker 2: what we said he probably should be doing more of

1528
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:43,720
Speaker 2: to get out first with the jab. Tao won this

1529
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 2: fight how he said it in the postfight interview, by

1530
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:49,960
Speaker 2: countering the counterpuncher. When you get a guy like Tayo

1531
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:54,040
Speaker 2: who is so fast, so accurate, but has an IQ

1532
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:58,000
Speaker 2: that's seven eight levels above his opponent, as he showed

1533
01:10:58,040 --> 01:11:00,720
Speaker 2: in this one, he took a great dang fighter and

1534
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:03,600
Speaker 2: Taylor and made him a shell of himself. Luke, you

1535
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:06,000
Speaker 2: said you gave four rounds to Josh Taylor. I watched

1536
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:08,160
Speaker 2: it a second time. I cannot find more than two

1537
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:12,160
Speaker 2: for him. This was a dominant performance, yet the judges

1538
01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 2: had it seven five, seven five and what nine three?

1539
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:15,880
Speaker 2: The third one?

1540
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:19,920
Speaker 1: Mm hm I can understand, dude, I don't get it.

1541
01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:22,800
Speaker 2: You know how many times do I defend boxing and

1542
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:26,280
Speaker 2: say that's not corruption, it's just you know, indifference, or

1543
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:28,439
Speaker 2: it's just somebody was bad at their job. I think

1544
01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:31,320
Speaker 2: all three missed this, and it does make you nervous

1545
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:33,320
Speaker 2: that what if this fight had been closer? What if

1546
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:36,080
Speaker 2: Taylor stepped on the gash in the championship rounds? Could

1547
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:38,160
Speaker 2: he have pulled out a draw or a split decision?

1548
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:41,960
Speaker 2: It would have been bullshit. Luke Tail was everything he

1549
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:45,240
Speaker 2: said he was and everything he used to be on

1550
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:48,479
Speaker 2: this night. For a twenty five year old now who

1551
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:50,240
Speaker 2: has a seat at the table in this division with

1552
01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:53,000
Speaker 2: a world title, who could make fights you need to

1553
01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:56,200
Speaker 2: see against any number of names from pro grade A

1554
01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 2: Jose Ramirez to Tank to Ryan to Devin, across the

1555
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:05,519
Speaker 2: board and more. What a tremendous bounce back performance when

1556
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:08,040
Speaker 2: he needed it most. Luke. I don't know if he

1557
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:09,760
Speaker 2: can keep the train on the tracks. I don't know

1558
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:12,280
Speaker 2: if him and his dad are still the right combination

1559
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:15,040
Speaker 2: in terms of fighter and trainer. But he pressed pause

1560
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:18,160
Speaker 2: on all that shit that gave us tremendous concern for

1561
01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:20,920
Speaker 2: him as a human being. And whether or not he

1562
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:23,439
Speaker 2: really is doing okay behind the scenes as a boxer,

1563
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:26,240
Speaker 2: he's doing just fine. And let's shout out a guy

1564
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:28,920
Speaker 2: we respect a lot, Steven Bredman Edwards, who seemed to

1565
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:31,040
Speaker 2: be one of the only people who came out publicly

1566
01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 2: on Twitter ahead of this fight and said, I saw

1567
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:36,360
Speaker 2: all the interviews you guys did too, but Tail Canon

1568
01:12:36,479 --> 01:12:39,360
Speaker 2: probably will win this because of the skills. I just

1569
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:42,720
Speaker 2: did not see Josh Taylor having this much trouble with

1570
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:45,280
Speaker 2: the speed and timing. But Luke, if you are trying

1571
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:47,640
Speaker 2: to walk forward and be the bigger fighter and be

1572
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:50,120
Speaker 2: the counterpuncher and every time you go to throw you're

1573
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:54,040
Speaker 2: getting stinged with hard, aggressive, leaping, fast shots, yeah, that

1574
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:55,920
Speaker 2: could be enough to shut off the valve and force

1575
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:58,679
Speaker 2: you into a defensive posture. And that's what happened on Saturday.

1576
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 1: Let me ask, and just in terms of the fight itself,

1577
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:04,559
Speaker 1: because I think that's a great summation of what's happening outside.

1578
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:08,440
Speaker 1: But more to the fight itself, when did you realize

1579
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:11,960
Speaker 1: Taylor was in trouble by what round about four or five?

1580
01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:14,200
Speaker 1: To be fair, Really, Yeah, I think that's right. Tell

1581
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:16,800
Speaker 1: me what you saw, Yeah, I saw just.

1582
01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:19,000
Speaker 2: What I said, look look like first round when Tayo

1583
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:21,639
Speaker 2: was reading him, you got to see what Josh Taylor

1584
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:23,960
Speaker 2: does great And I don't want to discount a sixteen

1585
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:26,160
Speaker 2: month layoff for Taylor and the fact that he's coming

1586
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:29,240
Speaker 2: off a very, very very flat performance against Jack Caterall.

1587
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:31,960
Speaker 2: But I know what makes Taylor tick. I've watched that

1588
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:34,040
Speaker 2: run of beating six straight on beat opponents, and by

1589
01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:36,479
Speaker 2: the way, you beat one lost victor pos style before that,

1590
01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:39,360
Speaker 2: so this has been a tremendous run. He can box

1591
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:42,240
Speaker 2: just as good as he can fight, but he loves

1592
01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:44,400
Speaker 2: to be in charge of the taking the lead, whether

1593
01:13:44,439 --> 01:13:46,920
Speaker 2: it's behind the jab or whether crowding you, encountering you.

1594
01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:51,360
Speaker 2: And Tayo's footwork, luke, his IQ, his ability to set

1595
01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:54,760
Speaker 2: traps and then and then leap in and just disrupt

1596
01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:57,920
Speaker 2: the rhythm of Taylor. It was off the charts. It

1597
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:02,040
Speaker 2: looked like the confidence Tayo shit in the first six

1598
01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:04,120
Speaker 2: or seven rounds of that Loma fight, and then again

1599
01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:06,840
Speaker 2: in round twelve when he stopped the momentum and put

1600
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:10,840
Speaker 2: that exclamation down by hurting Loma. He's confident, he's dynamic,

1601
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:14,120
Speaker 2: He's obviously in great shape and still so young. But

1602
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:19,400
Speaker 2: do you realize how hard it is mentally to push away,

1603
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:22,240
Speaker 2: not just all the personal bs, not just all of that,

1604
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:25,280
Speaker 2: all the media saying you don't have it anymore. You're done.

1605
01:14:25,439 --> 01:14:27,800
Speaker 2: And I don't regret the column I wrote or the

1606
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:31,720
Speaker 2: things we said, because he was acting batshit crazy to

1607
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:34,559
Speaker 2: be fair, just off the charts, and he might still be,

1608
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:38,040
Speaker 2: I hope not, Luke, but inside that ring, he was

1609
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:41,519
Speaker 2: a genius, a technician. He took a guy who just

1610
01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:43,560
Speaker 2: two fights ago was top ten pound for pound and

1611
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:48,400
Speaker 2: you're undisputed champion and made him look average. Luke, damn

1612
01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:50,960
Speaker 2: bro right. Yeah by round four or five, I'm like,

1613
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:53,880
Speaker 2: Taylor cannot figure this out? And did you see the

1614
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:57,120
Speaker 2: look on his face full frustration? In fact, afterwards, Luke

1615
01:14:57,120 --> 01:15:00,599
Speaker 2: the Tartan Tornado did not have a single excuse because

1616
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:02,840
Speaker 2: he knew it. He was He was not the better man.

1617
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:07,000
Speaker 2: He got dominated this This boxing shit is a is

1618
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:09,760
Speaker 2: a tremendous theater of the bazaar and the unpredictable. Luke,

1619
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:12,960
Speaker 2: I'm happy from a boxing standpoint that Taylor's that Tao

1620
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:15,599
Speaker 2: is back. I'm happy that he is. You know that

1621
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:18,920
Speaker 2: we're not talking about the fact that he was a

1622
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:22,320
Speaker 2: shooting star and then he flamed out brightly. But dude,

1623
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:24,240
Speaker 2: I think we're gonna look back at this fight and

1624
01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:26,240
Speaker 2: just say, you want to see the greatness of Tao femo.

1625
01:15:26,479 --> 01:15:28,640
Speaker 2: Look at the way his mind operated, look at the

1626
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:32,840
Speaker 2: way he sniffed out everything Taylor does. Right, they're gonna

1627
01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:34,200
Speaker 2: hear a lot of I told you so is from

1628
01:15:34,280 --> 01:15:37,000
Speaker 2: him and his dad, you know, for a while now, Luke,

1629
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:39,160
Speaker 2: But you know, in a boxing sense, they deserve to

1630
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:42,160
Speaker 2: say that holy shit, really, holy shit, Luke, Right, Like,

1631
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:43,360
Speaker 2: good lord.

1632
01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:44,960
Speaker 1: We kind of had it coming. I mean, we weren't

1633
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:49,679
Speaker 1: against Lopez, but we were very skeptical that he could

1634
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:53,240
Speaker 1: do this. I just didn't see this coming, given everything

1635
01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:55,400
Speaker 1: else we did see, which to the point you have

1636
01:15:55,479 --> 01:15:58,360
Speaker 1: now made quite clear, has been just a disaster. I

1637
01:15:58,360 --> 01:16:01,840
Speaker 1: can't I can't overstate what Brian is telling you about

1638
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:04,719
Speaker 1: that interview that came out with Mark Kregel. It's a disaster.

1639
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:06,040
Speaker 1: And one of the things he said that you kind

1640
01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:09,200
Speaker 1: of like skipped over very quickly was he didn't just say,

1641
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:10,639
Speaker 1: look what I have to deal with. What he had

1642
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:13,759
Speaker 1: said was every time he tries to say something for himself,

1643
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:16,320
Speaker 1: his father tries to talk over it or make him

1644
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:18,320
Speaker 1: change what he is saying. And what he said to

1645
01:16:18,360 --> 01:16:22,760
Speaker 1: Mark Kregel was, I'm never basically I'm paraphrasing, I'm never

1646
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:24,640
Speaker 1: allowed to say what I want. I'm never allowed to

1647
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:28,240
Speaker 1: author my own words. Isn't that so frustrating? That's like

1648
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:31,800
Speaker 1: a deep thing, that's like a existentially deep thing that

1649
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:33,640
Speaker 1: he has going on that he has to overcome, and

1650
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:35,439
Speaker 1: then he goes out there and does that. I mean,

1651
01:16:35,479 --> 01:16:37,720
Speaker 1: that's that's just it's just you can't believe it. But

1652
01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:39,439
Speaker 1: I think that they're right with the approach, dude. The

1653
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:46,479
Speaker 1: approach was, you know, Lopez, it shouldn't be like it's

1654
01:16:46,479 --> 01:16:48,200
Speaker 1: not that he can't follow a game plan or be

1655
01:16:48,240 --> 01:16:50,040
Speaker 1: more of a precise boxer. I think he can do

1656
01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 1: those things. But letting him be loose and free and

1657
01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:58,240
Speaker 1: use his athleticism to compute answers quickly, that's where he

1658
01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:00,280
Speaker 1: does his best work. And I think that's what you

1659
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:03,080
Speaker 1: saw here. Something that frank Frankly, why, dude, I hadn't

1660
01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:06,280
Speaker 1: seen this version of Lopez since he fought Limachenko. That

1661
01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:08,880
Speaker 1: guy's just been not there. That's the difference to me,

1662
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:12,600
Speaker 1: Like this dude is not the dude who fought cambosis

1663
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:15,640
Speaker 1: like not at all. This was so much better, so

1664
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:18,960
Speaker 1: much clearer, so much more thoughtful, so much more menacing

1665
01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:22,519
Speaker 1: and cutting angles and finding delayed timings and smothers and

1666
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:25,120
Speaker 1: everything he needed to to get the job done and

1667
01:17:25,160 --> 01:17:27,400
Speaker 1: not succumbing to the JAB took the job away after

1668
01:17:27,479 --> 01:17:30,200
Speaker 1: one round from Taylor. I thought the JAB would be

1669
01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:32,519
Speaker 1: a huge weapon for Taylor and it only was for

1670
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:37,040
Speaker 1: three minutes. That's it. So to me, BC, the chaos,

1671
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:39,120
Speaker 1: to me just can't long term be a good thing.

1672
01:17:39,160 --> 01:17:41,400
Speaker 1: There's just no way to say that. But I will

1673
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:45,720
Speaker 1: say it is extremely impressive that he was able to

1674
01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:48,720
Speaker 1: be what he was amidst all of that chaos, and

1675
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:50,120
Speaker 1: that speaks to his amazing quo.

1676
01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:52,519
Speaker 2: I think, look, I think we can say, look, we

1677
01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:54,839
Speaker 2: didn't give Tayl a lot of credit that he wanted

1678
01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:58,679
Speaker 2: for how he gutted out the cambosis loss. Why because

1679
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:00,280
Speaker 2: all he did was talk about at that it was

1680
01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:03,160
Speaker 2: a conspiracy against him. All he did was was complain,

1681
01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:05,320
Speaker 2: you guys aren't giving me credit for almost dying and

1682
01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:08,200
Speaker 2: fighting through. But in hindsight, Luke, that's not him, that

1683
01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:10,640
Speaker 2: wasn't him. He told me on the podcast. You know

1684
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:12,360
Speaker 2: a couple of months later after that fight that he

1685
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:14,280
Speaker 2: fought like an animal in that first round because he

1686
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:16,960
Speaker 2: knew he didn't have the wind to go the distance.

1687
01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:19,080
Speaker 2: He knew he was compromised. He had a tear in

1688
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:21,479
Speaker 2: his esophagus that may or may not have come from

1689
01:18:21,479 --> 01:18:23,200
Speaker 2: that body shot from the mountain man, Luke and that

1690
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:25,200
Speaker 2: viral video and during training camp, just want to remind

1691
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:27,599
Speaker 2: you of that. But the whole reason why we missed

1692
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:30,080
Speaker 2: this wasn't just the crazy comments. It was the flat

1693
01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:33,200
Speaker 2: fights last two times out. He didn't know, you know,

1694
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:34,960
Speaker 2: like he was trying to be a boxer, but wasn't

1695
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:38,360
Speaker 2: committing to the jab. He wasn't dynamic in next level.

1696
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:41,760
Speaker 2: Maybe it was the higher level of competition that forced

1697
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:44,880
Speaker 2: him to train harder and raise his game, or maybe Luke,

1698
01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:49,559
Speaker 2: there is some element of him playing maestro with us. Again,

1699
01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:52,680
Speaker 2: I don't think all that personal stuff was made up.

1700
01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:55,160
Speaker 2: He's legitimately going through that turmoil. And I think the

1701
01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:57,000
Speaker 2: Mark Krigle interview, and I want to give Crego credit

1702
01:18:57,240 --> 01:18:59,439
Speaker 2: because he stood in the pocket there as Tao's standing

1703
01:18:59,479 --> 01:19:02,840
Speaker 2: up yelling at him and almost playing arms psychologists and

1704
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:05,040
Speaker 2: saying I know how hard this is for you to

1705
01:19:05,200 --> 01:19:07,679
Speaker 2: live up to the expectations of your family, to carry

1706
01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:10,760
Speaker 2: your family on your shoulders. I actually think all that

1707
01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:13,160
Speaker 2: is real, and you saw that come out. But what

1708
01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:16,280
Speaker 2: I do think, Luke, is Tao played us from the

1709
01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:19,280
Speaker 2: standpoint of let me throw out that comment about killing him,

1710
01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:21,200
Speaker 2: let me throw out that comment about dying in the ring.

1711
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:24,240
Speaker 2: Let me ramp up this comment about this so that

1712
01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:27,000
Speaker 2: it could take the pressure off of his game and

1713
01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:30,080
Speaker 2: also keep him in the headlines. I think that this

1714
01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:32,679
Speaker 2: three fight stretch where he stopped being the guy who

1715
01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:36,320
Speaker 2: beat Lomachenko, I think Tao did not like watching Jervonte

1716
01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:39,920
Speaker 2: become an absolute superstar. Ryan Garcia, Devin Hainey, Shaker Stevenson,

1717
01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:42,959
Speaker 2: all of these guys in his class of young breakout

1718
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:45,559
Speaker 2: fighters were getting all their flowers in big pay per

1719
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:48,960
Speaker 2: view moments, and he was, you know, stuffed, stuck, trying

1720
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:50,760
Speaker 2: to go to a new division and figure it out.

1721
01:19:51,080 --> 01:19:53,360
Speaker 2: I think some of this was him bringing more attention

1722
01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:57,040
Speaker 2: on himself to motivate himself. But look what it did, Luke.

1723
01:19:57,160 --> 01:20:00,639
Speaker 2: Here's the heart, here's the real question. Here that version

1724
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:03,959
Speaker 2: of tale from Saturday Night. Is that guy a problem

1725
01:20:04,479 --> 01:20:08,320
Speaker 2: for HAINI Tank and shaker yes or no in your

1726
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:11,080
Speaker 2: opinion that version of him? Yes, yeah, I think you're

1727
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:14,960
Speaker 2: damn Rice. I think who else fights like this? Nobody?

1728
01:20:15,240 --> 01:20:18,160
Speaker 2: You can't, you know what I mean, Like, it's ridiculous

1729
01:20:18,479 --> 01:20:21,599
Speaker 2: how good he is when he can produce that version

1730
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:23,760
Speaker 2: of himself. Damn man.

1731
01:20:24,200 --> 01:20:25,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to make a Roy

1732
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:27,920
Speaker 1: Jones comparison because I think that would be way way off.

1733
01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:31,439
Speaker 1: But there's a little bit, a little bit of that

1734
01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:35,720
Speaker 1: improvisational Roy Jones magic that he has and that that

1735
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:38,599
Speaker 1: has been given him. Like you wouldn't teach his style.

1736
01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:41,280
Speaker 1: It's too difficult to follow. It's just his own kind

1737
01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:43,720
Speaker 1: of thing. But he makes it work. He made it

1738
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:46,080
Speaker 1: work to great effect. We slept on, so you see.

1739
01:20:46,160 --> 01:20:48,160
Speaker 1: It leads to the second part of this conversation, which

1740
01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:50,439
Speaker 1: is he kind of indicated he was going to retire.

1741
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:51,960
Speaker 1: The only thing that could bring him back, he told

1742
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:54,479
Speaker 1: I think Sean Porter on his podcast over the weekend,

1743
01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:57,479
Speaker 1: was you know, I've made one hundred million a nine

1744
01:20:57,479 --> 01:21:01,080
Speaker 1: figure deal. I've made a hundred million for ESPN. That's

1745
01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:03,040
Speaker 1: what it would take to bring me back. It's like, well, Tao,

1746
01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:04,320
Speaker 1: I want them to see you get paid but you

1747
01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:06,320
Speaker 1: didn't make a hundred million for ESPN. I can assure

1748
01:21:06,360 --> 01:21:08,000
Speaker 1: you that. So yeah, So what is next?

1749
01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:10,960
Speaker 2: So here's the deal. Tao's issue. If you watch the

1750
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:13,960
Speaker 2: interviews closely leading into this fight, we're financial him and

1751
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:16,400
Speaker 2: his dad claimed they brought the big bud Light sponsorship

1752
01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:18,040
Speaker 2: to Top Rank and ESPN, and they don't feel like

1753
01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:20,439
Speaker 2: they're getting rewarded for that. They felt that they were

1754
01:21:20,479 --> 01:21:22,760
Speaker 2: promised a pay per view fight in this instance, and

1755
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:25,559
Speaker 2: also promised to fight at the big arena in MSG.

1756
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:29,240
Speaker 2: Instead they're in the tiny theater upstairs and it's off

1757
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:30,800
Speaker 2: pay per view. Now, Luke, you could just as well

1758
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:33,320
Speaker 2: argue that being off pay per view but on ESPN

1759
01:21:33,400 --> 01:21:35,800
Speaker 2: brings bigger eyeballs, but it doesn't bring more money. And

1760
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:38,160
Speaker 2: maybe it's because the same night ESPN had the UFC

1761
01:21:38,200 --> 01:21:39,599
Speaker 2: pay per view, and I don't know if they wanted

1762
01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:41,760
Speaker 2: head to head pay per views going on. But the

1763
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:45,280
Speaker 2: whole point is they feel like they're criminally underpaid. Now

1764
01:21:45,320 --> 01:21:49,640
Speaker 2: they are over enhancing their brand, I believe, even with

1765
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:53,240
Speaker 2: this performance. But I do wonder what this means moving

1766
01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:56,320
Speaker 2: forward for his relationship with Top Rank and ESPN and

1767
01:21:56,360 --> 01:21:59,639
Speaker 2: whether they can restructure a deal and get him more

1768
01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:02,599
Speaker 2: money to keep them happy, or whether this does lead

1769
01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:04,599
Speaker 2: to him trying to force his way out of his

1770
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:07,840
Speaker 2: current deal by doing this, by threatening retirement, by saying

1771
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:09,920
Speaker 2: all this stuff. Because again, if you watch the interviews

1772
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:11,880
Speaker 2: closely in the lead up, he did touch on these things.

1773
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:14,320
Speaker 2: He touched on how moving forward, I'm not going to

1774
01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:15,800
Speaker 2: accept this type of money. I want to start my

1775
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:17,599
Speaker 2: own promotional company. I want to do this, and that

1776
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:21,040
Speaker 2: we could be looking at issues here, Luke. I think

1777
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:23,800
Speaker 2: unless Top Rank throws a little bit more cash on

1778
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:26,320
Speaker 2: it or what. But you want to talk about future

1779
01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:28,360
Speaker 2: matchups across the board, and by the way, one forty

1780
01:22:28,479 --> 01:22:32,160
Speaker 2: also has you know, names like Roly Romero and Adrian

1781
01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:33,760
Speaker 2: Broner who will get to you later. So like there's

1782
01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:37,599
Speaker 2: all different kinds of matchups available to him. All of

1783
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:40,759
Speaker 2: them are great. But I think in addition to figuring

1784
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:43,559
Speaker 2: out his custody battle outside, I think him and his

1785
01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:45,519
Speaker 2: dad need to figure out the issues between them. And

1786
01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:47,920
Speaker 2: I do think Tao as a fighter with Bob Aram

1787
01:22:48,120 --> 01:22:50,360
Speaker 2: and ESPN a top rank need to figure out the

1788
01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:53,120
Speaker 2: divide between them. Does he deserve more than the one

1789
01:22:53,160 --> 01:22:55,920
Speaker 2: million he said he got paid for this tailor fight. Yeah,

1790
01:22:55,960 --> 01:22:58,720
Speaker 2: I agree with that, But him saying I want one

1791
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:00,679
Speaker 2: hundred million, I mean that could just be him throwing

1792
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:02,679
Speaker 2: a huge number to try to meet in the middle.

1793
01:23:02,720 --> 01:23:06,000
Speaker 2: Of course it's public negotiation, but I do have a

1794
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:08,040
Speaker 2: little bit of fear in that regard Luke, like, does

1795
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:11,080
Speaker 2: this lead to him taking on the best if they

1796
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:13,160
Speaker 2: aren't willing to pay? Is this going to lead to

1797
01:23:13,160 --> 01:23:13,799
Speaker 2: some corpout?

1798
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:14,160
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1799
01:23:14,200 --> 01:23:17,160
Speaker 2: I hope not. Tayo's back in a very strong position

1800
01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:19,280
Speaker 2: now with the world title and and you know, this

1801
01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:21,400
Speaker 2: type of buzz behind him, but they do have to

1802
01:23:21,400 --> 01:23:23,120
Speaker 2: figure out some of those money issues. I mean, well,

1803
01:23:23,200 --> 01:23:25,160
Speaker 2: you think Bob Arnim will just dig in and say, no, dude,

1804
01:23:25,160 --> 01:23:27,640
Speaker 2: you're under contract. That's what it is. Take the money here,

1805
01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:29,040
Speaker 2: you know, or leave it. I don't know.

1806
01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:31,559
Speaker 1: I just feel like the guy needs to. Mean, it's

1807
01:23:31,680 --> 01:23:34,800
Speaker 1: amazing that he was able to persevere in spite of

1808
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:39,360
Speaker 1: what has gone on, whether perceived or real as a problem. Right,

1809
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:42,519
Speaker 1: So that to me is the part that is really

1810
01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:45,880
Speaker 1: impressive and for which I am like honestly grateful almost

1811
01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:48,000
Speaker 1: in a way to see this version of Tayo Femal

1812
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:50,599
Speaker 1: Lopez back again. But who could really look at this

1813
01:23:50,640 --> 01:23:53,920
Speaker 1: and say this is an ingredient for success. This is

1814
01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:56,760
Speaker 1: setting him up for his best long term self like

1815
01:23:57,080 --> 01:24:01,840
Speaker 1: to the point that you raise some some resolution needs

1816
01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:03,800
Speaker 1: to happen, like there has to be something steady or

1817
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:06,360
Speaker 1: happening in his life for him to see the fullest

1818
01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:07,960
Speaker 1: version of what he could be. As long as he's

1819
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:10,800
Speaker 1: doing this, he's just fighting uphill and God bless him.

1820
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:13,799
Speaker 1: He did it amazingly well on Saturday, but it's still uphill,

1821
01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:14,960
Speaker 1: and I don't even know if he wants it. To

1822
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:18,599
Speaker 1: your point about the retirement as well, BC, real quickly

1823
01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:22,640
Speaker 1: if I can. One final note, uh, Jimi Mungia and

1824
01:24:22,680 --> 01:24:26,920
Speaker 1: Sergei Dervianchenko on his own had an absolute slobber knocker

1825
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:29,960
Speaker 1: over the course of twelve rounds. BC. There's been a

1826
01:24:30,160 --> 01:24:34,000
Speaker 1: lot of criticism of Jimi Mungia's resume and his run

1827
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:37,040
Speaker 1: to this point, the excuse me, the vast majority of

1828
01:24:37,080 --> 01:24:40,880
Speaker 1: it extremely fair, So question for you as as follows are, say,

1829
01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:46,080
Speaker 1: statement rather rate Mungia's performance against Derevyanchenko.

1830
01:24:47,800 --> 01:24:54,040
Speaker 2: Interesting there there, Look, there's flaws defensively, most importantly Jimi Mongia.

1831
01:24:54,680 --> 01:24:58,040
Speaker 2: It can be a mess. Obviously he's big even for

1832
01:24:58,120 --> 01:24:59,840
Speaker 2: this quake class at one sixty A. I mean he

1833
01:24:59,880 --> 01:25:02,720
Speaker 2: was weight bully at fifty four, but this at one

1834
01:25:02,760 --> 01:25:05,200
Speaker 2: sixty eed, he's still big. Yes, he has power and

1835
01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:08,280
Speaker 2: his chin is through the roof. So overall, Luke, I'm

1836
01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:10,479
Speaker 2: gonna give him a seven and a half. And that's

1837
01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:14,000
Speaker 2: because you could make the argument again that Derevinchenko won

1838
01:25:14,040 --> 01:25:15,559
Speaker 2: this fight. If you want to know how I scored it,

1839
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:17,600
Speaker 2: I ended up scoring it six rounds even, but with

1840
01:25:17,680 --> 01:25:20,880
Speaker 2: the late knockdown one fourteen, one thirteen for Mungia. Two

1841
01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:22,960
Speaker 2: of the three judges had that. The third judge had

1842
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:26,800
Speaker 2: it wider for himI. Unfortunately, it plays into the trend

1843
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:28,920
Speaker 2: for the thirty seven year old Divindchenko that we've seen

1844
01:25:29,120 --> 01:25:30,880
Speaker 2: when he goes up there against the elite. He puts

1845
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:35,320
Speaker 2: fourth a balls out, incredible performance of heart mixed with technique,

1846
01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:38,880
Speaker 2: but usually comes up just short. Unlike the glove Can fight,

1847
01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:42,240
Speaker 2: which I felt Dervinchenko won, this one was, like I said,

1848
01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:44,040
Speaker 2: I had it even. It's really up in the air.

1849
01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:46,720
Speaker 2: It could have gone either way. Mongea is gonna get

1850
01:25:46,760 --> 01:25:48,800
Speaker 2: big fights after this. In my opinion, I think they're

1851
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:51,479
Speaker 2: done with the Let's match him softly, but I think

1852
01:25:51,479 --> 01:25:54,400
Speaker 2: behind the scenes they do understand though Luke, I don't

1853
01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:56,439
Speaker 2: know if he's gonna win these big fights, whether he

1854
01:25:56,439 --> 01:25:58,200
Speaker 2: gets Canelo, I know. I don't know if he saw

1855
01:25:58,200 --> 01:26:00,120
Speaker 2: in the locker room. Afterwards, he got a phone call

1856
01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:03,160
Speaker 2: from Jose Benavidez Senior, the trainer and father of David,

1857
01:26:03,320 --> 01:26:04,960
Speaker 2: and they said, look, we'd love to make this fight.

1858
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:06,240
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people are going to want

1859
01:26:06,280 --> 01:26:08,880
Speaker 2: to make the fight against him because he's a forty

1860
01:26:08,920 --> 01:26:11,680
Speaker 2: two year forty two to zero Mexican fighter with a

1861
01:26:11,720 --> 01:26:13,160
Speaker 2: good fan base behind him. I don't know if you

1862
01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:16,520
Speaker 2: heard that crowd in Ontario. They were chanting throughout in California.

1863
01:26:17,120 --> 01:26:20,920
Speaker 2: But Luke, he's vulnerable and darrevin Chenko fought his ass

1864
01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:23,760
Speaker 2: off and poured out the jug and again could have

1865
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:27,400
Speaker 2: gotten his hand raised. But Hami Mongia is a warrior.

1866
01:26:27,439 --> 01:26:29,679
Speaker 2: He bites down, but he's got a lot of holes

1867
01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:31,920
Speaker 2: in his game for the elite level. I don't think

1868
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:33,640
Speaker 2: he gets an elite win from here on out. I

1869
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:35,320
Speaker 2: do think he'll make a lot of money. He's got

1870
01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:38,040
Speaker 2: that glossy record. I hope he's ready to match himself

1871
01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:41,160
Speaker 2: big moving forward. But I want to say two things

1872
01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:43,200
Speaker 2: before I throw it back to you. One, this may

1873
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:44,600
Speaker 2: end up being your fight of the year. If you

1874
01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:46,599
Speaker 2: have not seen this, get onto the zone and check

1875
01:26:46,640 --> 01:26:49,360
Speaker 2: it out. And Two, Luke that do his zone announced

1876
01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:51,240
Speaker 2: team they don't get a lot of fanfare. It was

1877
01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:54,120
Speaker 2: Corey Erdman filling in for Todd Grisham, it was Chris Mannis,

1878
01:26:54,160 --> 01:26:56,800
Speaker 2: and it was Sergio Mora. They called the shit out

1879
01:26:56,800 --> 01:27:00,759
Speaker 2: of this fight, Mora in particular, this is high theater,

1880
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:04,519
Speaker 2: a tremendous fight. The Golden Boy announcer afterwards comically said

1881
01:27:04,520 --> 01:27:06,759
Speaker 2: this is one of the greatest fights in boxing history

1882
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:08,880
Speaker 2: when he announced the scores, which I think was way

1883
01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:13,519
Speaker 2: too far. But this was a great, great fight and

1884
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:15,599
Speaker 2: my only reason I give him seven and a half

1885
01:27:15,680 --> 01:27:18,280
Speaker 2: as a score, Luke, is because how many monkey is

1886
01:27:18,360 --> 01:27:20,600
Speaker 2: Defensive issues at this weight class are going to be

1887
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:22,960
Speaker 2: a problem against punchers. There's no question about it.

1888
01:27:23,200 --> 01:27:25,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, his defense like his there's just no head

1889
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:30,040
Speaker 1: movement really at all at all. And darvian Chenko, I dude,

1890
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:32,920
Speaker 1: darvian Chenko was hitting this dude with a sledgehammer repeatedly.

1891
01:27:33,760 --> 01:27:37,800
Speaker 1: It was shocking how much damage he was taking in

1892
01:27:37,840 --> 01:27:40,479
Speaker 1: that fifth round. How he hung on and didn't even

1893
01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:43,920
Speaker 1: take a knee. To your point about Ngia's chin, Holy

1894
01:27:44,240 --> 01:27:49,000
Speaker 1: goddamn that chin is absurd. But dude, he gets hit

1895
01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:52,920
Speaker 1: way too easily. Canelo would capitate him. There's not a

1896
01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:55,160
Speaker 1: doubt in my mind. A lot of the big punchers

1897
01:27:55,160 --> 01:27:57,719
Speaker 1: at one sixty eight I think would do some damage

1898
01:27:57,760 --> 01:27:59,800
Speaker 1: to him. But they would be fun fights, and I

1899
01:27:59,800 --> 01:28:01,519
Speaker 1: think that there is some interest in making them for

1900
01:28:01,560 --> 01:28:04,120
Speaker 1: all the reasons that you articulated. One note about Derre

1901
01:28:04,200 --> 01:28:07,240
Speaker 1: Vanchenko BC, I mean, let's go through his losses here. Right,

1902
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:10,160
Speaker 1: the Bungilla fight, you could argue he could have won, Right,

1903
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:13,120
Speaker 1: the Daniel Jacobs fight. There are some folks who think

1904
01:28:13,160 --> 01:28:15,120
Speaker 1: he won. It was a split decision. In fact, the

1905
01:28:15,160 --> 01:28:18,000
Speaker 1: glove Can fight was a unanimous decision. I thought Deryvianchenko

1906
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:20,439
Speaker 1: did win that contest. Now I thought he lost cleanly

1907
01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:24,760
Speaker 1: to Jamel charge Me Jamal Charlo. I don't remember the

1908
01:28:25,120 --> 01:28:27,519
Speaker 1: Carlos Adamas fight. Maybe you do better than media.

1909
01:28:27,640 --> 01:28:29,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a jority decision and if he would

1910
01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:31,680
Speaker 2: have used his job more, he could have won it.

1911
01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:33,920
Speaker 2: But credit Adamis had a kind of like a breakthrough

1912
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:35,200
Speaker 2: performance there to get by him.

1913
01:28:35,400 --> 01:28:37,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, So what I'm saying is he's had these losses

1914
01:28:37,960 --> 01:28:41,400
Speaker 1: Jacob's glovekn Charlo, Adamas, Mungia, all of the names he's

1915
01:28:41,400 --> 01:28:44,080
Speaker 1: fought where he either really should have won or was

1916
01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:46,600
Speaker 1: like just up against it, coming up short. But in

1917
01:28:46,640 --> 01:28:49,120
Speaker 1: the end he has five losses. He has a fourteen

1918
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:51,160
Speaker 1: to five record, and you just wouldn't know it. He's

1919
01:28:51,200 --> 01:28:53,920
Speaker 1: been the guy that gave I mean, I remember what

1920
01:28:53,960 --> 01:28:56,520
Speaker 1: a boost it was. Certainly it's a boost now for Mungia.

1921
01:28:56,600 --> 01:28:58,280
Speaker 1: It's a It was a boost for Charlo that was

1922
01:28:58,360 --> 01:29:00,479
Speaker 1: during the pandemic. You and I called that in September

1923
01:29:00,520 --> 01:29:03,439
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty at the Mohegan Sun and then the

1924
01:29:03,439 --> 01:29:06,320
Speaker 1: Glove Can fight boosted him as this guy where yes

1925
01:29:06,360 --> 01:29:08,080
Speaker 1: he lost, but he was the guy that was kind

1926
01:29:08,120 --> 01:29:10,920
Speaker 1: of underappreciated by boxing. He just would have been that

1927
01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:14,280
Speaker 1: dude this whole way. But Mungia is gonna get lit

1928
01:29:14,360 --> 01:29:16,320
Speaker 1: up like a Christmas tree by any good fighter at

1929
01:29:16,360 --> 01:29:18,719
Speaker 1: one sixty eight he faces. But goddamn if it won't

1930
01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:22,280
Speaker 1: be a good fun fight before that, you know, So

1931
01:29:22,360 --> 01:29:23,920
Speaker 1: let's get him in there. I suppose here's.

1932
01:29:23,720 --> 01:29:26,000
Speaker 2: What's weird, though, I want to say, how do we

1933
01:29:26,040 --> 01:29:30,400
Speaker 2: explain that Mongea's last seven fights were against you know,

1934
01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:34,840
Speaker 2: average to really sub average competition. I wonder if it's

1935
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:37,080
Speaker 2: the people behind him. He's co promoted by Golden Boy

1936
01:29:37,120 --> 01:29:40,360
Speaker 2: and Zanfer Promotions, Fernando Beltron there in Mexico. I wonder

1937
01:29:40,360 --> 01:29:43,559
Speaker 2: if they just see what we see, Luke, I'm not sure.

1938
01:29:43,560 --> 01:29:45,280
Speaker 2: But at the same time, a year ago he was

1939
01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:47,200
Speaker 2: talking about maybe going up to one seventy five and

1940
01:29:47,280 --> 01:29:50,080
Speaker 2: challenging Bevill, which is wild. I think the fight to

1941
01:29:50,160 --> 01:29:53,200
Speaker 2: make for him as he progresses. Here's forty two and zero.

1942
01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:57,320
Speaker 2: Is that group Berlanga who got ways with top rank

1943
01:29:57,720 --> 01:30:01,240
Speaker 2: signed by Mattrium sport on that the defence TV wise,

1944
01:30:01,280 --> 01:30:03,960
Speaker 2: they both have a lot of questions. There you go, Luke,

1945
01:30:04,040 --> 01:30:06,040
Speaker 2: there you go, Madison Square Garden, let's do it.

1946
01:30:06,080 --> 01:30:07,920
Speaker 1: Okay, there you go, Yeah you could, you could do

1947
01:30:07,960 --> 01:30:10,559
Speaker 1: something big there. That's interesting. Wow, I hadn't thought about that.

1948
01:30:10,680 --> 01:30:16,120
Speaker 1: And honestly mcgiel would win that one, you think probably, yeah, right,

1949
01:30:16,240 --> 01:30:17,559
Speaker 1: he probably would win that one.

1950
01:30:18,960 --> 01:30:21,519
Speaker 2: I know what I mean say from what we know now, Yes,

1951
01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:23,680
Speaker 2: but Burlonga has a ton of talent. But yeah, he's

1952
01:30:23,680 --> 01:30:26,400
Speaker 2: not a bad He's on a bad run of decision

1953
01:30:26,439 --> 01:30:28,719
Speaker 2: wins where he doesn't look great. They're both questionable talents.

1954
01:30:28,760 --> 01:30:34,160
Speaker 2: I mean, look, Monkey's chin a plus his his his

1955
01:30:34,400 --> 01:30:37,040
Speaker 2: warrior spirit was there. I liked a lot of the

1956
01:30:37,080 --> 01:30:39,439
Speaker 2: things he did offensively. So like I'm not saying he's

1957
01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:42,559
Speaker 2: a broken you know wheel, I mean he's forty two

1958
01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:46,320
Speaker 2: and oh but he I mean, damn dude. I mean

1959
01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:48,719
Speaker 2: he's got a Hall of Famer Eric Moreles in his corner,

1960
01:30:48,880 --> 01:30:51,840
Speaker 2: who you know, certainly fuels the balls. But they got

1961
01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:53,759
Speaker 2: to work on some D something here, man.

1962
01:30:55,040 --> 01:30:57,439
Speaker 1: Like like Brian Campbell got to get to work on

1963
01:30:57,479 --> 01:30:58,639
Speaker 1: that D. You know what I'm saying.

1964
01:30:58,840 --> 01:31:03,960
Speaker 2: Wow, Well, get down on some D you know, get down,

1965
01:31:04,120 --> 01:31:04,679
Speaker 2: dig down.

1966
01:31:04,840 --> 01:31:07,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right with that, speaking of D let's go

1967
01:31:07,720 --> 01:31:10,760
Speaker 1: to DM's from the Donks now because our top five

1968
01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:14,360
Speaker 1: topics are over, Let's do it all that fun stuff,

1969
01:31:14,680 --> 01:31:16,559
Speaker 1: all right. This is where we put up questions on

1970
01:31:16,600 --> 01:31:18,840
Speaker 1: social media. You guys fill them up, our producers pick them,

1971
01:31:18,840 --> 01:31:22,240
Speaker 1: and then we answer them. So BC from naznaar Rock

1972
01:31:23,240 --> 01:31:26,960
Speaker 1: thoughts on Pena versus Pennington for the vacant women's Vansamway title.

1973
01:31:27,240 --> 01:31:28,960
Speaker 1: Apparently they were poised to fight each other in the

1974
01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:30,880
Speaker 1: tough finale but things didn't quite pen out that way.

1975
01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:33,200
Speaker 1: Now they are number one and number two in the division, respectively.

1976
01:31:33,800 --> 01:31:36,280
Speaker 1: Book it or keep it? Sure? Why not be c?

1977
01:31:36,439 --> 01:31:36,920
Speaker 1: What do you think?

1978
01:31:37,560 --> 01:31:40,280
Speaker 2: I don't love it, and I'm not discounting Rocky Pennington's

1979
01:31:40,320 --> 01:31:44,360
Speaker 2: win streak that's put her back into contention, Luke, But

1980
01:31:45,200 --> 01:31:47,800
Speaker 2: I don't think there's any buzz for a Paynia Pennington fight,

1981
01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:50,439
Speaker 2: and I think they've got to comeback strong. Here's the deal.

1982
01:31:50,479 --> 01:31:52,519
Speaker 2: We all think forty five is gonna get folded. We

1983
01:31:52,560 --> 01:31:54,599
Speaker 2: all believe it should. Dana more or less said it

1984
01:31:54,640 --> 01:31:57,720
Speaker 2: on Saturday. Amanda was keeping that division alive. They're not

1985
01:31:57,760 --> 01:32:00,240
Speaker 2: going to do the UFC Women's heavyweight idea. I don't

1986
01:32:00,280 --> 01:32:02,960
Speaker 2: think Kayla's walking through that door tomorrow, right. So here's

1987
01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:04,800
Speaker 2: the deal. I think you gotta make what the one

1988
01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:07,200
Speaker 2: thirty five thing a splash. So I'm gonna give you

1989
01:32:07,240 --> 01:32:08,920
Speaker 2: a couple suggestions, and I want you to tell me

1990
01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:10,920
Speaker 2: what you like, Luke, Okay, because I am sorry. I

1991
01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:14,080
Speaker 2: don't like Paya versus Pennington. I don't think that's elite MMA.

1992
01:32:14,200 --> 01:32:16,559
Speaker 2: I'm really being serious here. They're tough outs. I bet

1993
01:32:16,560 --> 01:32:19,200
Speaker 2: I don't think so you're gonna hate some of these.

1994
01:32:19,200 --> 01:32:24,439
Speaker 2: We get ready, what about Valentina Schefchenko versus Juliana Panna

1995
01:32:24,439 --> 01:32:28,479
Speaker 2: in a rematch? Yes or no? Yes? For the title?

1996
01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:30,879
Speaker 1: Yes? Okay?

1997
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:33,479
Speaker 2: What about they've never fought each other? And I have

1998
01:32:33,560 --> 01:32:36,040
Speaker 2: been telling you for three years that Holly Holm is

1999
01:32:36,120 --> 01:32:39,240
Speaker 2: not done getting title shots at forty one? Holly Holm

2000
01:32:39,320 --> 01:32:41,519
Speaker 2: versus Juliana Panna for the vacant title.

2001
01:32:43,120 --> 01:32:45,040
Speaker 1: Okay, that doesn't Holme have a fight coming up?

2002
01:32:45,280 --> 01:32:47,880
Speaker 2: She does? Yeah, that's the problem. Here's the other thing

2003
01:32:47,920 --> 01:32:51,200
Speaker 2: that I think Aaron Bronstead are tweeted out. Aaron Blanchefield

2004
01:32:51,280 --> 01:32:53,200
Speaker 2: has come out and said that she would be willing

2005
01:32:53,240 --> 01:32:57,000
Speaker 2: to move up and wait because the flyweight title picture

2006
01:32:57,280 --> 01:33:00,880
Speaker 2: is crowded at the moment. What about Aaron Blanchfield versus

2007
01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:03,920
Speaker 2: Juliana Penia ding ding Ding Number one? Answer or what?

2008
01:33:04,080 --> 01:33:06,360
Speaker 1: Luke? Yeah, I'll take it. I take it. I mean,

2009
01:33:06,720 --> 01:33:09,719
Speaker 1: you guys know me. I'm usually very skeptical about fast

2010
01:33:09,760 --> 01:33:13,680
Speaker 1: tracking people, even like the bow Nickel types. But in

2011
01:33:13,760 --> 01:33:15,559
Speaker 1: the case of Blanchfield, I might be willing to look

2012
01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:17,080
Speaker 1: the other way on that one. I feel like she

2013
01:33:17,080 --> 01:33:19,400
Speaker 1: could already do some damage. I think heard if she's

2014
01:33:19,439 --> 01:33:22,160
Speaker 1: been training since a very young age, so she hear

2015
01:33:22,320 --> 01:33:23,880
Speaker 1: she's gonna peak earlier and then probably get out of

2016
01:33:23,880 --> 01:33:26,720
Speaker 1: the sport a little bit earlier relatively speaking than a

2017
01:33:26,720 --> 01:33:29,679
Speaker 1: lot of other folks. So even though she's very very young,

2018
01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:33,400
Speaker 1: uh BC, Yeah, I wouldn't if they're really looking for

2019
01:33:33,479 --> 01:33:34,960
Speaker 1: and they I just don't feel like they'll go that

2020
01:33:35,040 --> 01:33:36,640
Speaker 1: direction because they want to keep her on track at

2021
01:33:36,680 --> 01:33:39,519
Speaker 1: one twenty five. But I wouldn't be mad at them

2022
01:33:39,520 --> 01:33:40,439
Speaker 1: if they pulled that trigger.

2023
01:33:40,960 --> 01:33:43,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's twenty four. She would be the youngest female

2024
01:33:43,200 --> 01:33:46,320
Speaker 2: champion of women's and I'm sorry UFC history. If she won,

2025
01:33:46,800 --> 01:33:49,400
Speaker 2: you want to break John Jones's overall record, But that

2026
01:33:49,439 --> 01:33:51,559
Speaker 2: would be interesting. Luke, what do you think is most

2027
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:54,280
Speaker 2: likely of those four matchups? We just talked about what's

2028
01:33:54,400 --> 01:33:55,439
Speaker 2: most likely from.

2029
01:33:55,320 --> 01:34:02,760
Speaker 1: The UFC PAYNYA and Home Maybe something like that. Probably.

2030
01:34:03,040 --> 01:34:05,400
Speaker 2: I mean, look like Holme has not been bad lately.

2031
01:34:05,439 --> 01:34:07,040
Speaker 2: She you know what I mean? Like, right, I know

2032
01:34:07,120 --> 01:34:08,840
Speaker 2: she didn't have a loss in that stretch of late,

2033
01:34:08,880 --> 01:34:11,720
Speaker 2: but it's not like that's a.

2034
01:34:10,920 --> 01:34:12,919
Speaker 1: It's just a very it's just a very weak division.

2035
01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:15,360
Speaker 2: It is a weak division. So I mean, look, tell

2036
01:34:15,400 --> 01:34:18,839
Speaker 2: me if I'm wrong here, Penya does have star value

2037
01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:21,080
Speaker 2: in her, so that's why we're including her name in

2038
01:34:21,120 --> 01:34:23,599
Speaker 2: all of these. Right, she delivers on the mic, she

2039
01:34:23,600 --> 01:34:27,599
Speaker 2: she makes it special. Dude, if they roll out Paenya Pennington, Man,

2040
01:34:27,640 --> 01:34:30,519
Speaker 2: that feels like to me, it feels this is going

2041
01:34:30,560 --> 01:34:33,120
Speaker 2: to sound really bad. It feels like Montano versus Modafari

2042
01:34:33,240 --> 01:34:33,679
Speaker 2: for the title.

2043
01:34:33,760 --> 01:34:33,920
Speaker 5: Luke.

2044
01:34:33,960 --> 01:34:36,200
Speaker 2: It doesn't feel like a like a you know what

2045
01:34:36,240 --> 01:34:38,160
Speaker 2: I mean. It doesn't feel like an exclamation point on

2046
01:34:38,200 --> 01:34:41,640
Speaker 2: the division. That's why I'm bringing in Blanchfield or Valentina

2047
01:34:41,760 --> 01:34:44,000
Speaker 2: or something. I mean, imagine if Schifchenko becomes a two

2048
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:47,040
Speaker 2: division champion, that's not a bad idea for the company.

2049
01:34:46,760 --> 01:34:49,679
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I agree with you making it more exciting

2050
01:34:49,760 --> 01:34:52,360
Speaker 1: than that. I think it's pretty important. Actually, I'm with you.

2051
01:34:52,720 --> 01:34:56,479
Speaker 1: I like I like either a Shifchenko or a Blanchefield call,

2052
01:34:56,520 --> 01:34:58,799
Speaker 1: and either one of those I'd be okay with. Okay,

2053
01:34:59,720 --> 01:35:04,080
Speaker 1: all right? From Donnie tsp Uh, we kind of talked

2054
01:35:04,080 --> 01:35:05,679
Speaker 1: about this a little bit BC. But does it seem

2055
01:35:05,720 --> 01:35:08,479
Speaker 1: like Miranda Maverick is regressing pretty significantly? I think it's

2056
01:35:08,520 --> 01:35:11,000
Speaker 1: a little strong. But he writes, quote, she looked like

2057
01:35:11,040 --> 01:35:12,800
Speaker 1: a lock to be a title contender for a few

2058
01:35:12,800 --> 01:35:16,120
Speaker 1: fights ago. Now she looks like a completely different fighter,

2059
01:35:16,160 --> 01:35:18,400
Speaker 1: and not for the better. I wouldn't say completely different.

2060
01:35:18,840 --> 01:35:21,880
Speaker 2: Well, I'm not pushback on lock to be a title contender. No,

2061
01:35:22,040 --> 01:35:22,960
Speaker 2: she has not yet.

2062
01:35:23,400 --> 01:35:25,559
Speaker 1: Look yeah, also that's yeah also but that but that,

2063
01:35:25,880 --> 01:35:27,519
Speaker 1: I don't know that we ever said that. I think

2064
01:35:27,560 --> 01:35:30,160
Speaker 1: we said we she had some serious potential, yes, but

2065
01:35:30,360 --> 01:35:32,639
Speaker 1: lock to be title contender, maybe that's a little strong,

2066
01:35:33,560 --> 01:35:34,800
Speaker 1: But yeah, I just want to think it's headed in

2067
01:35:34,840 --> 01:35:36,760
Speaker 1: the right direction, which could also be she's a maybe

2068
01:35:36,840 --> 01:35:40,000
Speaker 1: like this might sound like, oh it because it's because

2069
01:35:40,040 --> 01:35:41,840
Speaker 1: of who she's training with now, but that's really not

2070
01:35:41,880 --> 01:35:43,680
Speaker 1: necessarily true at all. She could be in one of

2071
01:35:43,680 --> 01:35:46,519
Speaker 1: these parts of her game where she's learning a bunch

2072
01:35:46,560 --> 01:35:48,519
Speaker 1: of new things and it's kind of messing with her

2073
01:35:48,560 --> 01:35:50,640
Speaker 1: style and her identity and how to build it the

2074
01:35:50,680 --> 01:35:52,880
Speaker 1: right way in the plateau and you have to push

2075
01:35:52,960 --> 01:35:54,800
Speaker 1: through that to get to the next stage, and it

2076
01:35:54,880 --> 01:35:57,120
Speaker 1: just takes a little bit of time. So it could

2077
01:35:57,120 --> 01:35:59,000
Speaker 1: just be a little bit of that going on, not

2078
01:35:59,040 --> 01:36:01,800
Speaker 1: necessarily like ultimately things are headed in the very wrong

2079
01:36:01,840 --> 01:36:06,000
Speaker 1: direction more than just a bad stop again twenty five

2080
01:36:06,080 --> 01:36:07,640
Speaker 1: years of age. I think people need to be a

2081
01:36:07,760 --> 01:36:09,120
Speaker 1: little bit understanding of that.

2082
01:36:09,240 --> 01:36:11,640
Speaker 2: But did she show on Saturday even if it was

2083
01:36:11,640 --> 01:36:13,400
Speaker 2: a bad night at the office and it was right,

2084
01:36:13,439 --> 01:36:15,679
Speaker 2: she's shooting in the third round when she needs a knockout,

2085
01:36:15,720 --> 01:36:19,519
Speaker 2: like it wasn't a good night. I just I don't know, Luke.

2086
01:36:19,680 --> 01:36:21,960
Speaker 2: Like she didn't show a dominant skill, you know what

2087
01:36:22,040 --> 01:36:26,559
Speaker 2: I'm saying. Like she just like she looked lost. If

2088
01:36:26,560 --> 01:36:29,400
Speaker 2: she can't strike like she's got at the baseline, put

2089
01:36:29,439 --> 01:36:31,960
Speaker 2: together better striking, Like the shots were looping, just just

2090
01:36:32,040 --> 01:36:35,880
Speaker 2: straight jabs were just breaking her down. Like, I don't know, Luke.

2091
01:36:35,880 --> 01:36:37,800
Speaker 2: Would you rather see her amp up her ground game

2092
01:36:37,960 --> 01:36:40,519
Speaker 2: or her or her stand up to try to to

2093
01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:44,120
Speaker 2: try to, you know, move on because it's tough. She's

2094
01:36:44,160 --> 01:36:45,920
Speaker 2: in great shape, she's got a great attitude, she's a

2095
01:36:45,960 --> 01:36:48,280
Speaker 2: smart fighter. But it just it's it's not coming together.

2096
01:36:48,840 --> 01:36:50,680
Speaker 1: Honestly, for me. The biggest thing I keep going back

2097
01:36:50,680 --> 01:36:51,760
Speaker 1: to it. I said it before. I sound like a

2098
01:36:51,800 --> 01:36:54,000
Speaker 1: broken record, but it really is the issue for me

2099
01:36:54,120 --> 01:36:57,080
Speaker 1: is her entries. So she's often short and at a

2100
01:36:57,120 --> 01:36:59,160
Speaker 1: reach disadvantage. I've seen this now in a few of

2101
01:36:59,160 --> 01:37:01,160
Speaker 1: her fights. So get in from the outside to the

2102
01:37:01,160 --> 01:37:03,680
Speaker 1: inside has been a thing that you would imagine is

2103
01:37:03,720 --> 01:37:05,640
Speaker 1: pretty central to her game, both to get to the

2104
01:37:05,680 --> 01:37:08,720
Speaker 1: body lock takedowns, which she sometimes prefers, and also just

2105
01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:10,680
Speaker 1: to land your punches and then get out. And what

2106
01:37:10,720 --> 01:37:14,080
Speaker 1: I've noticed is that the entries have become just a

2107
01:37:14,080 --> 01:37:17,160
Speaker 1: little predictable. They're not the faking and the fainting has

2108
01:37:17,200 --> 01:37:19,400
Speaker 1: not convinced her opponents so they can see it coming.

2109
01:37:19,960 --> 01:37:22,639
Speaker 1: Not putting together the combinations good enough to make them

2110
01:37:22,640 --> 01:37:25,560
Speaker 1: work when there is and if you just can't navigate

2111
01:37:25,600 --> 01:37:28,559
Speaker 1: the space between I mean, dude, the control or the

2112
01:37:28,640 --> 01:37:31,439
Speaker 1: management of the real estate between two fighters is maybe

2113
01:37:31,439 --> 01:37:34,120
Speaker 1: the most important skill. We don't really see it that way.

2114
01:37:34,160 --> 01:37:36,040
Speaker 1: We see the other things as the most important. But

2115
01:37:36,040 --> 01:37:39,439
Speaker 1: if you can control that really, really well, it just

2116
01:37:39,479 --> 01:37:41,799
Speaker 1: sets you up for so much different kinds of success.

2117
01:37:41,840 --> 01:37:44,439
Speaker 1: I think she's having a challenge with that. Yeah, problem

2118
01:37:44,479 --> 01:37:44,720
Speaker 1: for her.

2119
01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:48,920
Speaker 2: What about Miranda Maverick versus King Casey O'Neil Loser leaves

2120
01:37:48,920 --> 01:37:50,120
Speaker 2: Town match, Luke, you're ready for that.

2121
01:37:50,479 --> 01:37:52,240
Speaker 1: I don't know about loser leaves Town, but you could

2122
01:37:52,240 --> 01:37:57,240
Speaker 1: do that fight, all right. You see from Joel watch Wokton.

2123
01:37:58,240 --> 01:38:01,240
Speaker 1: Once these active fighters are all retired, who do you

2124
01:38:01,240 --> 01:38:04,240
Speaker 1: think will have retired with the most wins. Jim Miller

2125
01:38:04,280 --> 01:38:07,320
Speaker 1: at twenty five, currently draws OLIVERA twenty two at currently

2126
01:38:07,400 --> 01:38:11,000
Speaker 1: John Jones at twenty one one RDA twenty one, Max

2127
01:38:11,040 --> 01:38:17,040
Speaker 1: Holloway twenty BCE. I'm gonna say OLIVERA or definitely is

2128
01:38:17,040 --> 01:38:18,920
Speaker 1: going to be my number one answer. I think Max

2129
01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:21,000
Speaker 1: Holloway at twenty could surprise us a little bit.

2130
01:38:21,040 --> 01:38:22,760
Speaker 2: I mean, the thing about Max Holloway is he's still

2131
01:38:22,800 --> 01:38:27,320
Speaker 2: so ridiculously young, right despite the mileage. Yea, despite the mileage.

2132
01:38:27,360 --> 01:38:31,240
Speaker 2: He's showing us that he can reinvent himself. Yeah, him

2133
01:38:31,400 --> 01:38:34,840
Speaker 2: or Charles Luke. I think that. I mean, to be fair, Luke,

2134
01:38:34,880 --> 01:38:37,280
Speaker 2: wouldn't you want the all time wins leader to be

2135
01:38:38,280 --> 01:38:42,280
Speaker 2: more of a title contender than a than sort of

2136
01:38:42,360 --> 01:38:44,800
Speaker 2: like a you know, gatekeeper ish who was able to

2137
01:38:44,840 --> 01:38:47,080
Speaker 2: build long longevity, right, which is.

2138
01:38:47,040 --> 01:38:49,040
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny like I saw dude, I saw

2139
01:38:49,160 --> 01:38:52,400
Speaker 1: DC taking a beaten over his Jim Miller Hall of Fame.

2140
01:38:52,479 --> 01:38:54,360
Speaker 1: Take what do you saying? And I gotta tell you,

2141
01:38:54,400 --> 01:38:56,479
Speaker 1: I don't really understand why he was taking a beaten

2142
01:38:56,520 --> 01:38:58,519
Speaker 1: over it. I get the argument that if you're going

2143
01:38:58,560 --> 01:39:02,400
Speaker 1: to let folks in, who have resumes like Donald SERRONI,

2144
01:39:02,520 --> 01:39:05,679
Speaker 1: which is good for different kinds of reasons other than,

2145
01:39:06,560 --> 01:39:08,800
Speaker 1: you know, the highest level of achievement, then you can't

2146
01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:11,680
Speaker 1: keep out Jim Miller. And I think that argument is

2147
01:39:11,760 --> 01:39:14,040
Speaker 1: fairly strong, but it just sort of gets back, like,

2148
01:39:14,120 --> 01:39:15,519
Speaker 1: let me just do it again, go back to the

2149
01:39:15,560 --> 01:39:18,799
Speaker 1: Amanda Nunaz test. Tell me Jim Miller's best five wins

2150
01:39:18,920 --> 01:39:20,320
Speaker 1: off the top of your head, if you good. I mean,

2151
01:39:20,680 --> 01:39:23,160
Speaker 1: most people can't do that. And this is exactly what

2152
01:39:23,200 --> 01:39:26,000
Speaker 1: I mean, Like the fact that he's got this length

2153
01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:30,759
Speaker 1: of achievement that does deserve to be acknowledged and potentially

2154
01:39:30,760 --> 01:39:35,080
Speaker 1: even consecrated somewhere. I get that. I get that, but like,

2155
01:39:35,240 --> 01:39:37,519
Speaker 1: I don't think that place is the Hall of Fame.

2156
01:39:37,760 --> 01:39:39,240
Speaker 1: I think it's something else.

2157
01:39:39,439 --> 01:39:42,160
Speaker 2: Right, And I think, you know, you gotta be honest here.

2158
01:39:42,160 --> 01:39:45,000
Speaker 2: Cowboy has a couple of things going for him. He was,

2159
01:39:45,200 --> 01:39:48,000
Speaker 2: you know, he was elite in the WEC in a

2160
01:39:48,120 --> 01:39:51,679
Speaker 2: very good era. He was you know, at times pretty

2161
01:39:51,720 --> 01:39:55,479
Speaker 2: damn elite in the UFC. But also he's you know,

2162
01:39:55,560 --> 01:39:59,240
Speaker 2: a star like a character. And also he plays directly

2163
01:39:59,280 --> 01:40:01,960
Speaker 2: into what the company he wants, this this cowboy, this

2164
01:40:02,040 --> 01:40:04,479
Speaker 2: gun slinger, who will fight anybody at any time, and

2165
01:40:04,520 --> 01:40:06,800
Speaker 2: you can put into a main event even when he's

2166
01:40:06,800 --> 01:40:09,000
Speaker 2: passed his prime, and he can carry it. I know

2167
01:40:09,040 --> 01:40:11,400
Speaker 2: that that, like the star side of it doesn't always

2168
01:40:11,400 --> 01:40:13,719
Speaker 2: come into play, but it doesn't matter to a certain degree.

2169
01:40:13,760 --> 01:40:15,680
Speaker 2: It's like, look when Arturo God he got in the

2170
01:40:15,680 --> 01:40:17,679
Speaker 2: Boxing Hall of Fame, you know, ten years ago, whenever

2171
01:40:17,720 --> 01:40:20,680
Speaker 2: it was even though he had been a world you know,

2172
01:40:20,720 --> 01:40:22,800
Speaker 2: a title holder in a division before and had been

2173
01:40:22,840 --> 01:40:25,080
Speaker 2: at that level, he got in because he was a

2174
01:40:25,120 --> 01:40:28,840
Speaker 2: superstar action movie brawler who brought so much joy to

2175
01:40:28,880 --> 01:40:31,479
Speaker 2: people and was this great character, and there were people like, oh,

2176
01:40:31,560 --> 01:40:34,120
Speaker 2: now we're letting in that level. I think sometimes you

2177
01:40:34,160 --> 01:40:37,080
Speaker 2: make an exception. I think Cowboy, you know, doesn't have

2178
01:40:37,120 --> 01:40:39,639
Speaker 2: the same exact legacy of an artural Godi, but there's

2179
01:40:39,680 --> 01:40:43,120
Speaker 2: some similarities. To some degree, I'm okay with Cowboy getting in.

2180
01:40:44,080 --> 01:40:45,960
Speaker 2: It's not that I'm not okay with Jim Miller getting in,

2181
01:40:45,960 --> 01:40:47,559
Speaker 2: and I would love that guy to get you know,

2182
01:40:47,680 --> 01:40:50,280
Speaker 2: nothing but bouquets of flowers on the way out. But

2183
01:40:50,880 --> 01:40:52,600
Speaker 2: you gotta have a line, Luke. They got to have

2184
01:40:52,600 --> 01:40:55,519
Speaker 2: a line, you know. Baseball Hall of Fame Don Mattingly. Yeah,

2185
01:40:55,520 --> 01:40:57,120
Speaker 2: maybe he gets in down the road as a veteran,

2186
01:40:57,200 --> 01:40:58,640
Speaker 2: or maybe he's already and I just didn't realize it.

2187
01:40:58,680 --> 01:41:00,920
Speaker 2: But to him, to me, he would always that line

2188
01:41:01,040 --> 01:41:04,800
Speaker 2: at his best, super elite, injured, couldn't maintain it, you

2189
01:41:04,800 --> 01:41:06,880
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Luke. And if you got somebody

2190
01:41:06,960 --> 01:41:10,040
Speaker 2: that compiles together great wind streak, but was never top

2191
01:41:10,120 --> 01:41:13,360
Speaker 2: five in their division, never a real title threat, that's

2192
01:41:13,479 --> 01:41:16,160
Speaker 2: that's not hall of fame. Cowboy was super elite at

2193
01:41:16,160 --> 01:41:17,599
Speaker 2: certain points, true or false? True?

2194
01:41:17,640 --> 01:41:21,519
Speaker 1: Right, he fought for a title. Jim Miller's never even

2195
01:41:21,520 --> 01:41:22,280
Speaker 1: fought for a title.

2196
01:41:22,240 --> 01:41:24,240
Speaker 2: Right, So yeah, then that answers it, you know what

2197
01:41:24,320 --> 01:41:24,599
Speaker 2: I mean?

2198
01:41:24,640 --> 01:41:26,720
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, you know what I mean, Like, never even

2199
01:41:26,760 --> 01:41:27,559
Speaker 1: fought for a title.

2200
01:41:27,880 --> 01:41:29,799
Speaker 2: Off the top of your head, what's a better Cowboy

2201
01:41:29,840 --> 01:41:32,120
Speaker 2: win than Eddie Alvarez in his UFC debut, Like there

2202
01:41:32,160 --> 01:41:33,720
Speaker 2: might you know, that might be his best win. Jim

2203
01:41:33,720 --> 01:41:35,160
Speaker 2: Miller doesn't have anything close to that.

2204
01:41:35,320 --> 01:41:37,519
Speaker 1: He just doesn't have a win like that. No, again,

2205
01:41:37,560 --> 01:41:40,000
Speaker 1: that was Eddie Alvarez's UFC debut, But to your point,

2206
01:41:40,040 --> 01:41:42,559
Speaker 1: he was well experienced and Cowboy chewed him up. So

2207
01:41:43,360 --> 01:41:45,519
Speaker 1: take it for what it's worth. Again I did. What

2208
01:41:45,600 --> 01:41:48,840
Speaker 1: he has done is special and deserves special recognition, but

2209
01:41:48,920 --> 01:41:52,880
Speaker 1: not the most special recognition, all right from Jack underscore,

2210
01:41:53,080 --> 01:41:55,960
Speaker 1: M A cool, M mac cool. I don't know he's

2211
01:41:56,000 --> 01:41:57,559
Speaker 1: got two season there. I don't know what the fuck for?

2212
01:41:58,360 --> 01:42:01,799
Speaker 1: Uh okay, with the old Vera win, he's won twelve

2213
01:42:01,880 --> 01:42:05,400
Speaker 1: of thirteen with eleven stoppages. What are some other insane

2214
01:42:05,520 --> 01:42:09,840
Speaker 1: MMA runs that compare with that stretch you see? Like, no,

2215
01:42:10,000 --> 01:42:12,519
Speaker 1: I mean, dude, twelve of thirteen with eleven stoppages is

2216
01:42:12,520 --> 01:42:16,240
Speaker 1: about is just absurd To Charles Olavera is at twenty stoppages,

2217
01:42:16,280 --> 01:42:18,960
Speaker 1: the only person in all of you know, Pride, UFC,

2218
01:42:19,040 --> 01:42:21,000
Speaker 1: Strike Force, WC history that's ahead of that. It's mucro

2219
01:42:21,040 --> 01:42:24,760
Speaker 1: crocup with twenty one. Olivera is almost certain to pass that.

2220
01:42:24,960 --> 01:42:27,000
Speaker 1: It looks like, so he's gonna be the all time

2221
01:42:27,000 --> 01:42:31,080
Speaker 1: stoppage leader for dominant MMA organizations, which is fucking binanes.

2222
01:42:30,760 --> 01:42:32,720
Speaker 2: And gonna be the all time wins leader. Luke and

2223
01:42:33,040 --> 01:42:33,559
Speaker 2: is going.

2224
01:42:33,479 --> 01:42:35,000
Speaker 1: And be the all time wins leader. So like what

2225
01:42:35,040 --> 01:42:39,200
Speaker 1: he's doing is like just shocking and insane. I would

2226
01:42:39,240 --> 01:42:41,080
Speaker 1: say that you always kind of like bag on this,

2227
01:42:41,160 --> 01:42:43,559
Speaker 1: but like do again magoomy Fuji her first I think

2228
01:42:43,560 --> 01:42:46,559
Speaker 1: twenty one fights. She won, no problem. So she had

2229
01:42:46,560 --> 01:42:49,560
Speaker 1: twenty one fight win street going into that, that's a pretty.

2230
01:42:49,280 --> 01:42:52,080
Speaker 2: Good once against who against.

2231
01:42:51,760 --> 01:42:53,400
Speaker 1: The very best fighters at the time.

2232
01:42:54,520 --> 01:42:55,920
Speaker 2: Again against two.

2233
01:42:56,080 --> 01:42:57,800
Speaker 1: Nah, dude, she beat some good fighters. She beat some

2234
01:42:57,800 --> 01:43:00,240
Speaker 1: good fighters along the way. She eventually lost his La

2235
01:43:00,320 --> 01:43:03,320
Speaker 1: Frausto in Bellatore, but that wasn't until she was in

2236
01:43:03,360 --> 01:43:04,320
Speaker 1: her thirties.

2237
01:43:05,400 --> 01:43:08,240
Speaker 2: So okay, My point is not to bag on her.

2238
01:43:08,280 --> 01:43:11,120
Speaker 2: She doesn't belong in this discussion. Rather than ripping off

2239
01:43:11,120 --> 01:43:12,840
Speaker 2: the greatest wind streaks of all time and we all

2240
01:43:12,880 --> 01:43:15,320
Speaker 2: know who they are, I would rather intercept this question

2241
01:43:15,360 --> 01:43:18,439
Speaker 2: from Jack McCool and ask you this, luke, how does

2242
01:43:18,560 --> 01:43:23,040
Speaker 2: Charles Olavera ascend the top of the all time lightweight

2243
01:43:23,080 --> 01:43:26,040
Speaker 2: Powfu pund rankings ahead of Habib? Is it by beating

2244
01:43:26,080 --> 01:43:27,720
Speaker 2: Mahachev to win back the championship.

2245
01:43:28,400 --> 01:43:31,360
Speaker 1: That's a big one. Like getting two cracks at him

2246
01:43:31,400 --> 01:43:33,760
Speaker 1: and not being able to do it hurts his argument, right,

2247
01:43:33,800 --> 01:43:36,160
Speaker 1: It turns him into like because what that would do

2248
01:43:36,280 --> 01:43:38,599
Speaker 1: is what that would tell you is on any given night,

2249
01:43:38,760 --> 01:43:42,479
Speaker 1: he basically could beat anyone, but against the very best,

2250
01:43:42,560 --> 01:43:45,919
Speaker 1: who were very particular about how they fought. He couldn't,

2251
01:43:46,400 --> 01:43:48,400
Speaker 1: so he had to get it done against just a

2252
01:43:48,640 --> 01:43:51,559
Speaker 1: shade off the best, that's who he's He'd be in

2253
01:43:51,640 --> 01:43:54,320
Speaker 1: between the very very best and then just a shade off.

2254
01:43:54,360 --> 01:43:56,800
Speaker 1: He'd be some kind of in between category. And I

2255
01:43:56,840 --> 01:44:00,559
Speaker 1: do think that would hurt his argument. If they never again,

2256
01:44:00,640 --> 01:44:02,320
Speaker 1: then that changes it too, because you got to figure

2257
01:44:02,320 --> 01:44:03,880
Speaker 1: out who could he beat to then get to that

2258
01:44:03,920 --> 01:44:07,200
Speaker 1: next place. I would say, if he beats Makachev and

2259
01:44:07,400 --> 01:44:13,000
Speaker 1: becomes the all time wins leader as well, Yeah, no, man,

2260
01:44:13,320 --> 01:44:15,439
Speaker 1: that puts you in to the one thing spot, the.

2261
01:44:15,360 --> 01:44:18,559
Speaker 2: One thing against Tabib whenever we're talking about, you know,

2262
01:44:18,560 --> 01:44:23,040
Speaker 2: comparing greatness is getting out early meant he didn't face

2263
01:44:23,200 --> 01:44:26,479
Speaker 2: as many truly elite names as we would have wanted to.

2264
01:44:26,560 --> 01:44:28,719
Speaker 2: Some of that is missing two years in his prime

2265
01:44:28,720 --> 01:44:31,360
Speaker 2: with the injury. Some of that is Ferguson falling apart

2266
01:44:31,360 --> 01:44:32,880
Speaker 2: five times, like we get it. There's been some bad

2267
01:44:32,960 --> 01:44:36,479
Speaker 2: luck mixed in, right, But that means that there's an

2268
01:44:36,479 --> 01:44:39,120
Speaker 2: opening there. Seriously, there is there's an opening there. I mean,

2269
01:44:39,160 --> 01:44:41,679
Speaker 2: you're right if I mean, you know, if Charles wins

2270
01:44:41,680 --> 01:44:44,200
Speaker 2: a second championship in this division, then that may mix

2271
01:44:44,280 --> 01:44:46,720
Speaker 2: with the finished records and the overall most wins if

2272
01:44:46,760 --> 01:44:49,800
Speaker 2: he gets there to do that. But could you make

2273
01:44:49,840 --> 01:44:51,719
Speaker 2: an argument right now that is a better resume Thanhibeb?

2274
01:44:51,800 --> 01:44:52,559
Speaker 2: Yes or no? Right now?

2275
01:44:52,640 --> 01:44:54,479
Speaker 1: Yeah you could. I mean, this is the part that

2276
01:44:54,520 --> 01:44:56,680
Speaker 1: people get wrong about the Habib argument. Like it is

2277
01:44:56,800 --> 01:45:00,439
Speaker 1: true that to never make so costly an error or

2278
01:45:00,640 --> 01:45:03,759
Speaker 1: to be not good enough that you never lost along

2279
01:45:03,800 --> 01:45:06,320
Speaker 1: the way, and the amount of fights that he had

2280
01:45:06,760 --> 01:45:10,200
Speaker 1: like that is a very very commendable thing. But like,

2281
01:45:10,840 --> 01:45:14,599
Speaker 1: for example, like in the same amount of fights, Charles

2282
01:45:14,640 --> 01:45:18,439
Speaker 1: has stumbled, right, Charles has l's long before, and it

2283
01:45:18,479 --> 01:45:20,719
Speaker 1: wasn't just who you beat in the UFC like Charles lost,

2284
01:45:20,800 --> 01:45:25,519
Speaker 1: you know. And I'm saying in that time that Habib

2285
01:45:25,560 --> 01:45:27,680
Speaker 1: had spent in his career to get to was it

2286
01:45:27,720 --> 01:45:29,679
Speaker 1: twenty nine and oh whatever it is, twenty eight, twenty nine,

2287
01:45:30,160 --> 01:45:32,559
Speaker 1: like in the first twenty nine fights, Charles fell short

2288
01:45:32,560 --> 01:45:35,719
Speaker 1: of that. But that doesn't mean that because Habib stopped

2289
01:45:35,760 --> 01:45:38,680
Speaker 1: it there, that that same level of difference between them

2290
01:45:38,720 --> 01:45:41,479
Speaker 1: would continue. In fact, there's no reason to think that

2291
01:45:41,520 --> 01:45:44,439
Speaker 1: whatsoever they could have gone on very different paths past that.

2292
01:45:44,479 --> 01:45:47,360
Speaker 1: We just don't know because he didn't but people use

2293
01:45:47,439 --> 01:45:50,040
Speaker 1: the fact that he was error free earlier in her

2294
01:45:50,160 --> 01:45:53,200
Speaker 1: his career to say that his ultimate upside would be

2295
01:45:53,360 --> 01:45:56,880
Speaker 1: higher past the place where Charles kept going. And you

2296
01:45:56,880 --> 01:45:58,360
Speaker 1: simply don't know that. You simply don't know.

2297
01:45:58,360 --> 01:46:01,600
Speaker 2: Okay, final thing, You're not gonna like this. But we

2298
01:46:01,680 --> 01:46:05,680
Speaker 2: always say, like, what percentage chance would get Habib back

2299
01:46:05,720 --> 01:46:07,200
Speaker 2: up in the bullpen? And right now, if I asked,

2300
01:46:07,240 --> 01:46:09,439
Speaker 2: you'd probably say like two percent out of one hundred

2301
01:46:09,439 --> 01:46:11,800
Speaker 2: that he ever came back and fall right, like almost

2302
01:46:12,120 --> 01:46:17,000
Speaker 2: guaranteed not gonna happen. But what if Charles comes back

2303
01:46:17,000 --> 01:46:21,720
Speaker 2: and knocks Mahachev the hell out, I mean, just flatlines him, Luke,

2304
01:46:22,680 --> 01:46:25,559
Speaker 2: and then gets on the microphone and says, I'm the

2305
01:46:25,600 --> 01:46:29,000
Speaker 2: greatest lightweight of all time. I'm better than Habib that

2306
01:46:29,280 --> 01:46:32,840
Speaker 2: batch I look at, come clean up your man's I mean,

2307
01:46:32,880 --> 01:46:36,000
Speaker 2: is there anything in sendiary, Luke that could draw that

2308
01:46:36,120 --> 01:46:38,719
Speaker 2: man to cross the picket line again and come fight

2309
01:46:38,760 --> 01:46:42,120
Speaker 2: for his honor of his extended team and family, or

2310
01:46:42,560 --> 01:46:45,600
Speaker 2: nothing short of being really ruthless and in gross.

2311
01:46:45,320 --> 01:46:47,880
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I don't I think even of that. I

2312
01:46:47,920 --> 01:46:53,160
Speaker 1: put the chance at five percent ninety chance it doesn't happen. Okay, okay,

2313
01:46:53,520 --> 01:46:55,400
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. All right, Last, but not

2314
01:46:55,520 --> 01:47:01,080
Speaker 1: least from Volley Jerry with fans falling from the sky

2315
01:47:01,200 --> 01:47:05,879
Speaker 1: this weekend? What other bloopers can you recall? At events?

2316
01:47:05,960 --> 01:47:08,559
Speaker 1: The ice bucket is an all time classic. I think

2317
01:47:08,600 --> 01:47:09,960
Speaker 1: you might have this on. Have you seen the shit?

2318
01:47:10,040 --> 01:47:13,280
Speaker 1: I don't know, but the barricade breaks. This happened at

2319
01:47:13,280 --> 01:47:16,719
Speaker 1: fedexs Field when Jalen Hurts was walking through the quarterback

2320
01:47:16,760 --> 01:47:19,160
Speaker 1: for the Philadelphia Eagles, and I was like, dude, if

2321
01:47:19,200 --> 01:47:23,080
Speaker 1: your arena is in FedEx's field condition, your arena sucks

2322
01:47:23,080 --> 01:47:24,840
Speaker 1: the sweat off of dead man's balls. I'm just gonna

2323
01:47:24,840 --> 01:47:27,280
Speaker 1: be honest with you Canadians. That really is a terrible place.

2324
01:47:27,320 --> 01:47:30,519
Speaker 2: Remember in Philly also at Veterans Stadium that big Army

2325
01:47:30,600 --> 01:47:33,280
Speaker 2: Navy game when the thing collapsed and all those cadets

2326
01:47:33,280 --> 01:47:35,120
Speaker 2: piled on each other and all those people got injured.

2327
01:47:35,160 --> 01:47:38,000
Speaker 1: Luke, Yeah, dude, have you seen the soccer stadiums and

2328
01:47:38,080 --> 01:47:41,200
Speaker 1: like just the shittiest parts of South America? Just one

2329
01:47:41,280 --> 01:47:44,400
Speaker 1: collapses on. I saw a bullfighting ring collapse in Colombia

2330
01:47:44,400 --> 01:47:47,160
Speaker 1: and I was like, it's sad, but you know.

2331
01:47:47,439 --> 01:47:49,360
Speaker 2: Looke, what's the ice bucket thing they're referencing there. I

2332
01:47:49,400 --> 01:47:50,160
Speaker 2: feel like I should know that.

2333
01:47:50,200 --> 01:47:52,519
Speaker 1: What is that? When there was a while there where

2334
01:47:52,560 --> 01:47:55,080
Speaker 1: one time someone spilled a bucket of ice inside the

2335
01:47:55,120 --> 01:47:58,320
Speaker 1: cage and there was this three stooges skit that was

2336
01:47:58,360 --> 01:48:00,760
Speaker 1: required to get it cleared. And then some one made

2337
01:48:00,760 --> 01:48:04,519
Speaker 1: a made a account called spilled bag of ice and

2338
01:48:04,560 --> 01:48:05,599
Speaker 1: it has lived on.

2339
01:48:05,640 --> 01:48:08,080
Speaker 2: So okay, does this does this qualify?

2340
01:48:09,280 --> 01:48:14,960
Speaker 1: Just seen kish the old Asuerio Silva tick and had

2341
01:48:15,040 --> 01:48:17,360
Speaker 1: dump in his pants when she ished.

2342
01:48:17,280 --> 01:48:19,760
Speaker 2: And unfortunately, Luke, it came out like all over the

2343
01:48:19,760 --> 01:48:24,240
Speaker 2: octagon after she got submitted. Is that like you know

2344
01:48:24,280 --> 01:48:26,120
Speaker 2: they had to come in and disinfect that correct or

2345
01:48:26,240 --> 01:48:27,519
Speaker 2: we just keep we just keep going.

2346
01:48:28,640 --> 01:48:30,639
Speaker 1: I think you just keep on rolling, bro, I mean,

2347
01:48:31,400 --> 01:48:33,879
Speaker 1: you know, just let it breathing baby.

2348
01:48:34,160 --> 01:48:34,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2349
01:48:34,360 --> 01:48:36,120
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, that's a disaster.

2350
01:48:36,280 --> 01:48:39,360
Speaker 1: Okay, that's a debacle. I've seen a Strike Force show.

2351
01:48:39,560 --> 01:48:41,600
Speaker 1: This was a long time ago. Look, or maybe it

2352
01:48:41,640 --> 01:48:42,880
Speaker 1: wasn't even strike Force. I don't want say so. It

2353
01:48:42,880 --> 01:48:44,920
Speaker 1: could have been like an elitics show, but it was

2354
01:48:45,000 --> 01:48:47,559
Speaker 1: something big enough where they had aired on TV and

2355
01:48:47,600 --> 01:48:50,280
Speaker 1: then uh fighters ran into the door and the door

2356
01:48:50,360 --> 01:48:52,200
Speaker 1: came open. I've seen that ship that was.

2357
01:48:52,200 --> 01:48:54,280
Speaker 2: Well, Terry Yusha almost fell out the case. You see

2358
01:48:54,280 --> 01:48:55,720
Speaker 2: the ice? Have you seen this ship?

2359
01:48:55,840 --> 01:48:58,040
Speaker 1: Unfortunately I forgot yeaheah, yeah, they opened it. He kind

2360
01:48:58,080 --> 01:49:02,479
Speaker 1: of fell back like that a little bit. That wasn't great. Yeah,

2361
01:49:02,520 --> 01:49:04,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I've definitely seen stuff at sporting events where like,

2362
01:49:04,720 --> 01:49:07,360
Speaker 1: you know, entire sections collapsing and just like, well, I'm

2363
01:49:07,400 --> 01:49:09,120
Speaker 1: a suck to live in that place, and then you

2364
01:49:09,160 --> 01:49:10,360
Speaker 1: just never think of it again, you know.

2365
01:49:11,080 --> 01:49:11,360
Speaker 5: Yeah?

2366
01:49:11,479 --> 01:49:13,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, on that note, Luke, let's go from

2367
01:49:13,560 --> 01:49:15,599
Speaker 2: shit to shit. I scoured the globe. Is the wait?

2368
01:49:15,680 --> 01:49:16,880
Speaker 2: Is that it for DMS? Is that it?

2369
01:49:17,000 --> 01:49:18,240
Speaker 1: That's it? We're done, all right.

2370
01:49:18,800 --> 01:49:20,760
Speaker 2: I'm here to tell you I got some good shit today. Okay,

2371
01:49:20,800 --> 01:49:22,439
Speaker 2: it's up to you to decide that, but you know,

2372
01:49:22,520 --> 01:49:24,280
Speaker 2: Long Island Luke agrees with me. Here we go. I

2373
01:49:24,280 --> 01:49:25,559
Speaker 2: scoured the globe for the Udia.

2374
01:49:25,600 --> 01:49:27,800
Speaker 1: He was also a simpleton like you though, that's all.

2375
01:49:28,040 --> 01:49:30,960
Speaker 2: Wow, his dad's from Australia, Luke, show some respect, Okay,

2376
01:49:31,680 --> 01:49:34,360
Speaker 2: scoured the globe for all the shit that's fit to print.

2377
01:49:34,400 --> 01:49:36,439
Speaker 2: Here it's called have you seen the shit? Let's do it?

2378
01:49:36,479 --> 01:49:37,000
Speaker 2: Let's do it.

2379
01:49:37,560 --> 01:49:39,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if folks know I'm kidding

2380
01:49:39,439 --> 01:49:41,360
Speaker 1: when I do this, because I kid it on sometimes

2381
01:49:41,400 --> 01:49:42,800
Speaker 1: on the air and the people get bitter. But I

2382
01:49:42,800 --> 01:49:46,479
Speaker 1: hope Luke Noseda knows that. I mean, he is a simpleton,

2383
01:49:46,560 --> 01:49:47,719
Speaker 1: but I am kidding about.

2384
01:49:48,479 --> 01:49:50,720
Speaker 2: This is a roast culture, Luke. Okay, I would like

2385
01:49:50,760 --> 01:49:52,400
Speaker 2: you to apologize to the paquets, but this is a

2386
01:49:52,520 --> 01:49:55,000
Speaker 2: roast culture. Okay, Luke, here we go. Hope they understand

2387
01:49:55,000 --> 01:49:58,320
Speaker 2: that UFC two eighty nine from Vancouver and Mike Malott

2388
01:49:58,400 --> 01:50:01,200
Speaker 2: got these Canucks so fired up, Luke, they broke the

2389
01:50:01,400 --> 01:50:03,880
Speaker 2: damn barricade. Let's go to the videotape.

2390
01:50:04,920 --> 01:50:09,160
Speaker 1: Let the bodies hit the flo Was there any injuries, Luke?

2391
01:50:10,040 --> 01:50:11,840
Speaker 1: Not many. But here's the thing you have to think about.

2392
01:50:11,880 --> 01:50:13,840
Speaker 1: It's like, dude, Mike Mallott just walking past like he

2393
01:50:13,920 --> 01:50:16,160
Speaker 1: just snapped his fingers like thanos and they all died

2394
01:50:16,479 --> 01:50:19,559
Speaker 1: look at him. Uh, dude, that could have fallen on

2395
01:50:19,600 --> 01:50:21,840
Speaker 1: a fighter, you know what I mean? Like, yes, all

2396
01:50:21,880 --> 01:50:23,280
Speaker 1: those people could have been hurt, But then the fight

2397
01:50:23,320 --> 01:50:26,840
Speaker 1: gets affected itself, and then what are you gonna do? Yo,

2398
01:50:27,040 --> 01:50:30,400
Speaker 1: Rogers arena get your shit together? What the hell?

2399
01:50:31,520 --> 01:50:33,679
Speaker 2: Shout out to Shaq MAJORI Luke, that was a hometown

2400
01:50:33,720 --> 01:50:35,600
Speaker 2: coverage for him. You see him at the press conferences

2401
01:50:35,640 --> 01:50:36,880
Speaker 2: representing NO.

2402
01:50:36,920 --> 01:50:37,920
Speaker 1: I didn't watch the presser.

2403
01:50:38,560 --> 01:50:41,360
Speaker 2: All right, thank you. Let's go to this wholesome Victory Luke.

2404
01:50:41,360 --> 01:50:43,280
Speaker 2: We talked about a man of Nooness retiring on her

2405
01:50:43,320 --> 01:50:45,120
Speaker 2: own terms. I didn't see this. I had turned off

2406
01:50:45,120 --> 01:50:48,439
Speaker 2: the broadcast by this point. They had a Noon's family

2407
01:50:48,560 --> 01:50:51,920
Speaker 2: Victory lap Luke. That was wild. Your thoughts on.

2408
01:50:51,920 --> 01:50:54,880
Speaker 1: This, dude, Good for them, Good for them. If she

2409
01:50:55,120 --> 01:50:58,160
Speaker 1: hasn't earned this, who has?

2410
01:50:58,640 --> 01:50:58,880
Speaker 5: Yeah?

2411
01:50:59,000 --> 01:51:02,160
Speaker 2: Right, let's get out Reagan Luke. The their their young

2412
01:51:02,240 --> 01:51:05,120
Speaker 2: beautiful daughter there. Look at this, Luke, just just a holdout.

2413
01:51:05,160 --> 01:51:05,640
Speaker 2: I love it.

2414
01:51:05,720 --> 01:51:08,920
Speaker 1: I love she she has, she has, she has someone

2415
01:51:09,040 --> 01:51:13,040
Speaker 1: holding her belts as an official jewelry collector. I mean,

2416
01:51:13,080 --> 01:51:15,080
Speaker 1: get the fuck out of here. If she can't do this,

2417
01:51:15,160 --> 01:51:16,400
Speaker 1: nobody can. Nobody can.

2418
01:51:16,520 --> 01:51:19,160
Speaker 2: Period and Luke, they have a second child on the way.

2419
01:51:19,200 --> 01:51:21,880
Speaker 2: And as John Annix said on the broadcast, it's I mean,

2420
01:51:21,920 --> 01:51:24,680
Speaker 2: I can't believe we're saying this, but it's true. Amanda's

2421
01:51:24,720 --> 01:51:25,960
Speaker 2: eggs are this.

2422
01:51:26,040 --> 01:51:31,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. Apparently the details of lesbian lesbian procreation is very

2423
01:51:31,880 --> 01:51:34,400
Speaker 1: disconcerting to MMA fans. Which I would like to say

2424
01:51:34,439 --> 01:51:37,040
Speaker 1: I don't understand, but I actually do because.

2425
01:51:36,920 --> 01:51:38,280
Speaker 2: This is beautiful. Though, this is great.

2426
01:51:38,320 --> 01:51:40,719
Speaker 1: I'm happy, so I can't imagine. I can't imagine losing

2427
01:51:40,800 --> 01:51:43,280
Speaker 1: sleep over that, but some people do. Some people do.

2428
01:51:44,000 --> 01:51:46,599
Speaker 2: Luke, you know that UFC Wayan show gets pretty wild.

2429
01:51:46,640 --> 01:51:52,320
Speaker 2: Here's our buddy Dean Thomas talking about Canada's finest cuisine, poutine.

2430
01:51:53,439 --> 01:52:00,439
Speaker 2: Something fun about I.

2431
01:52:00,520 --> 01:52:06,519
Speaker 6: Was like, get my turn on that, pods like the

2432
01:52:06,880 --> 01:52:09,479
Speaker 6: that was like that and and the whole booty together.

2433
01:52:11,040 --> 01:52:15,519
Speaker 2: It's a not dirty dirty words. You guys are crazy, man.

2434
01:52:16,120 --> 01:52:18,840
Speaker 1: Very moist poutine. This is too much.

2435
01:52:21,920 --> 01:52:26,200
Speaker 3: You guys are crazy too muchc what's.

2436
01:52:26,040 --> 01:52:35,120
Speaker 1: Wrong with these guys? They're crazy, They're just they're just

2437
01:52:35,160 --> 01:52:38,639
Speaker 1: talking about wet vagina is really what they're doing, be honest.

2438
01:52:38,920 --> 01:52:41,120
Speaker 2: The first thing I do is make them toss my

2439
01:52:41,280 --> 01:52:44,000
Speaker 2: salad with syrup or jelly. Yeah.

2440
01:52:44,040 --> 01:52:46,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, they can't say that. They can't say that on

2441
01:52:46,120 --> 01:52:48,320
Speaker 1: that show, and we probably can't say it on this show.

2442
01:52:48,360 --> 01:52:51,080
Speaker 1: But I'm just gonna say it anyway. Wet there you go.

2443
01:52:51,400 --> 01:52:54,000
Speaker 2: Look, poutine is fantastic. You know, that's my type of

2444
01:52:54,080 --> 01:52:55,840
Speaker 2: raccoon ship right there, right like you know, that that

2445
01:52:55,920 --> 01:52:57,080
Speaker 2: they could serve that in a gas station.

2446
01:52:57,400 --> 01:52:59,240
Speaker 1: You know what I gotta tell you about poutine. I

2447
01:52:59,400 --> 01:53:01,360
Speaker 1: like it. I like you. I'm not say I'm not

2448
01:53:01,400 --> 01:53:03,960
Speaker 1: gonna say I hate on it because I don't. It's delicious.

2449
01:53:04,520 --> 01:53:07,640
Speaker 1: It's not like it's not like the best way to

2450
01:53:07,680 --> 01:53:10,080
Speaker 1: eat fries. I'm just gonna say that not the best way.

2451
01:53:10,960 --> 01:53:13,200
Speaker 2: Well, Luke, we mentioned there was a ton of Milk

2452
01:53:13,280 --> 01:53:17,439
Speaker 2: Boy Full Send podcast collaborations going on in that arena

2453
01:53:17,479 --> 01:53:20,799
Speaker 2: in Vancouver, and this sound bite from the Nelk Boys

2454
01:53:20,880 --> 01:53:25,000
Speaker 2: came out. Luke, Apparently Dana is a boss with really

2455
01:53:25,120 --> 01:53:26,559
Speaker 2: huge balls. Let's listen in.

2456
01:53:27,200 --> 01:53:29,360
Speaker 4: Bro, He's he is just such a boss.

2457
01:53:29,400 --> 01:53:29,599
Speaker 1: Bro.

2458
01:53:29,920 --> 01:53:32,360
Speaker 4: He's like just the shit, just the shitt he talks

2459
01:53:32,400 --> 01:53:35,920
Speaker 4: about behind the scenes that like just like different deals

2460
01:53:35,960 --> 01:53:37,880
Speaker 4: that are like or like you know, people trying to

2461
01:53:37,880 --> 01:53:40,280
Speaker 4: fuck him or fuck the UFC, and like hew, he'll

2462
01:53:40,320 --> 01:53:43,559
Speaker 4: never let it go to like woke yeah and shit

2463
01:53:43,640 --> 01:53:46,759
Speaker 4: like that talking about other leagues. Yeah, it's just crazy.

2464
01:53:46,800 --> 01:53:50,559
Speaker 4: How like that guy's the biggest balls, bro. Yeah, Like

2465
01:53:50,600 --> 01:53:53,479
Speaker 4: it's tough to be at like that level and like

2466
01:53:54,479 --> 01:53:57,800
Speaker 4: just be like that confident in your own you know,

2467
01:53:57,920 --> 01:54:00,160
Speaker 4: decisions too. It's like you have different people in your

2468
01:54:00,200 --> 01:54:02,559
Speaker 4: ear and like people telling you to pussy out too,

2469
01:54:02,600 --> 01:54:05,519
Speaker 4: But like he's just like his way is the fuck.

2470
01:54:05,600 --> 01:54:08,200
Speaker 4: He goes every to his guns, yeah, which is and

2471
01:54:08,240 --> 01:54:11,120
Speaker 4: he sticks to what like he thinks is right. Yeah,

2472
01:54:11,120 --> 01:54:13,320
Speaker 4: that's fucking rare, but that's what makes him such a boss.

2473
01:54:13,800 --> 01:54:13,880
Speaker 1: Hit.

2474
01:54:14,040 --> 01:54:16,479
Speaker 4: Everyone fucks with him too. Yeah, Like no one ever

2475
01:54:16,479 --> 01:54:19,479
Speaker 4: shots on Dana. You can't. And if they do, it's

2476
01:54:19,520 --> 01:54:21,960
Speaker 4: like he'll call you out. Yeah, some me Like he

2477
01:54:22,160 --> 01:54:24,760
Speaker 4: he can post about some media out with like I

2478
01:54:24,800 --> 01:54:27,280
Speaker 4: know the bar twisted his words, Yeah, and he posts

2479
01:54:27,280 --> 01:54:29,439
Speaker 4: about it and he's like I didn't fucking say this, yeah,

2480
01:54:29,600 --> 01:54:33,400
Speaker 4: with like just wild. Never want to be on that

2481
01:54:33,680 --> 01:54:35,520
Speaker 4: guy's bad side. No, but he's such a good guy.

2482
01:54:35,600 --> 01:54:37,520
Speaker 4: You know what happens when you're on that guy's badside.

2483
01:54:37,600 --> 01:54:40,960
Speaker 4: Fuck the hat bro. Yeah No, it's fucking pretty cool

2484
01:54:40,960 --> 01:54:43,200
Speaker 4: that we're fucking friends with him and he's just the

2485
01:54:43,240 --> 01:54:43,720
Speaker 4: fucking man.

2486
01:54:43,760 --> 01:54:47,120
Speaker 1: Can we end this misery?

2487
01:54:49,000 --> 01:54:51,560
Speaker 2: Look? Why are Dana fifty one year old Dana White's

2488
01:54:51,600 --> 01:54:55,560
Speaker 2: best friend's all twenty year old influencers? Why? Luke? Why? Wow?

2489
01:54:56,280 --> 01:54:58,480
Speaker 1: What were they drinking? I mean but I mean, uh,

2490
01:54:58,680 --> 01:54:59,280
Speaker 1: they put.

2491
01:54:59,080 --> 01:55:03,200
Speaker 2: Out their own cellf Seltzer alcoholic Seltzer called what is it? Dad? Something?

2492
01:55:03,240 --> 01:55:04,040
Speaker 2: What is it? We drink it?

2493
01:55:04,120 --> 01:55:07,840
Speaker 1: During during a preview? Oh that's what that wasp dad?

2494
01:55:07,960 --> 01:55:11,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Luke, there was a lot of filatio

2495
01:55:11,280 --> 01:55:12,360
Speaker 2: going on in that podcast.

2496
01:55:12,440 --> 01:55:14,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, I was amazed that the lack of a

2497
01:55:14,600 --> 01:55:16,920
Speaker 1: gag reflects from either of them. That was impressive.

2498
01:55:17,240 --> 01:55:18,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, Luke, I wouldn't want to be on that guy's

2499
01:55:18,920 --> 01:55:21,800
Speaker 2: bad side. Oh, boss with big balls.

2500
01:55:21,520 --> 01:55:24,520
Speaker 1: Luke, his pestacles are enormous. You really got to see

2501
01:55:24,520 --> 01:55:24,920
Speaker 1: these things.

2502
01:55:25,080 --> 01:55:28,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, you should probably see them, Luke, it's Valentina time.

2503
01:55:28,040 --> 01:55:31,360
Speaker 2: We all love the former champion. Real recognized reel in

2504
01:55:31,400 --> 01:55:35,400
Speaker 2: the crowd in Vancouver when Valentina on GSP post for

2505
01:55:35,440 --> 01:55:38,040
Speaker 2: a pick Saturday, Luke, could you imagine what their kids

2506
01:55:38,080 --> 01:55:38,640
Speaker 2: would look like?

2507
01:55:38,840 --> 01:55:41,360
Speaker 1: Just dominance right, they'd look white?

2508
01:55:44,040 --> 01:55:46,840
Speaker 2: Well, Luke, imagining what your kids would look like with

2509
01:55:46,920 --> 01:55:48,600
Speaker 2: Valentino became a trend this week.

2510
01:55:48,760 --> 01:55:50,800
Speaker 1: My kid, my kids white as snow. I'm just saying

2511
01:55:50,880 --> 01:55:51,640
Speaker 1: they'd look white.

2512
01:55:52,280 --> 01:55:54,440
Speaker 2: Let's go to the videotape here from the Q and A.

2513
01:55:54,560 --> 01:55:56,080
Speaker 2: Let's see what this fan has to say.

2514
01:55:56,280 --> 01:55:58,640
Speaker 1: Hello, my name is Connor White. I'm from KP.

2515
01:55:58,680 --> 01:56:02,360
Speaker 6: Bretton Nova Scotia, and I've got two questions, both for Valentina.

2516
01:56:02,920 --> 01:56:04,440
Speaker 1: One are you single?

2517
01:56:04,560 --> 01:56:04,840
Speaker 5: Two?

2518
01:56:04,880 --> 01:56:05,880
Speaker 2: Do you want my number?

2519
01:56:09,880 --> 01:56:10,400
Speaker 1: Gotta shoot?

2520
01:56:14,880 --> 01:56:15,360
Speaker 2: I love you?

2521
01:56:17,960 --> 01:56:22,640
Speaker 1: I am single and I am not sure about the number. Okay,

2522
01:56:22,800 --> 01:56:23,280
Speaker 1: thank you.

2523
01:56:23,600 --> 01:56:24,240
Speaker 2: That's not a no.

2524
01:56:28,080 --> 01:56:31,280
Speaker 1: Hey, guys, guys, A when you show up to fan

2525
01:56:31,400 --> 01:56:34,200
Speaker 1: Q and a's, try not to sexually harass the women

2526
01:56:34,200 --> 01:56:35,120
Speaker 1: you're asking questions.

2527
01:56:35,200 --> 01:56:38,840
Speaker 2: DNA MNA fans are horned up. But I love that

2528
01:56:38,840 --> 01:56:40,760
Speaker 2: that dude had to read it off of his phone. Look,

2529
01:56:40,800 --> 01:56:44,120
Speaker 2: he couldn't remember are you single? Do you want to

2530
01:56:44,120 --> 01:56:47,040
Speaker 2: bang me? I think those questions are pretty easy to remember, Luke,

2531
01:56:47,080 --> 01:56:48,360
Speaker 2: but wow, you know.

2532
01:56:48,360 --> 01:56:50,680
Speaker 1: She's a goofy, that goofy laugh. Why why is a

2533
01:56:50,680 --> 01:56:53,480
Speaker 1: guy from Nova Scotia wearing a Denver Broncos hoodie? I mean,

2534
01:56:53,560 --> 01:56:55,000
Speaker 1: what are we doing here? Fella?

2535
01:56:55,160 --> 01:56:57,960
Speaker 2: And Luke, by the way, you you want Valentina's number,

2536
01:56:58,000 --> 01:57:00,480
Speaker 2: you can get it by gunpoint from coach Papa. Well, okay,

2537
01:57:00,560 --> 01:57:01,880
Speaker 2: look you know what I'm saying.

2538
01:57:01,880 --> 01:57:03,720
Speaker 1: You know you got to earn it the hard way there, fella.

2539
01:57:04,040 --> 01:57:06,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're gonna have to beat Antonina to get her number. Okay,

2540
01:57:06,760 --> 01:57:08,560
Speaker 2: thank you very much all right, and you ate you

2541
01:57:08,640 --> 01:57:12,120
Speaker 2: ain't all right, Luke. That was very similar to the uh,

2542
01:57:12,240 --> 01:57:14,360
Speaker 2: You're just too good to be true serenade of Holly

2543
01:57:14,360 --> 01:57:16,000
Speaker 2: Holm a few years back. You remember that one.

2544
01:57:16,320 --> 01:57:18,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, they just love showing up and being like, hey,

2545
01:57:19,840 --> 01:57:21,720
Speaker 1: can we just sexually harass you right here in front

2546
01:57:21,720 --> 01:57:23,919
Speaker 1: of everybody here. It's like, yeah, and that wholesome.

2547
01:57:24,040 --> 01:57:26,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she feelded it well at least, But that's

2548
01:57:26,960 --> 01:57:28,480
Speaker 2: Canadian in this industry.

2549
01:57:28,520 --> 01:57:30,280
Speaker 1: Here's here's the problem is that if you work in

2550
01:57:30,320 --> 01:57:32,280
Speaker 1: the industry, the women just have to laugh it off,

2551
01:57:32,720 --> 01:57:34,520
Speaker 1: and so there are people who are none the wiser

2552
01:57:34,520 --> 01:57:36,280
Speaker 1: who are like, oh, they're laughing it off, it must

2553
01:57:36,320 --> 01:57:38,440
Speaker 1: be no big deal. When again, I don't think the

2554
01:57:38,480 --> 01:57:41,280
Speaker 1: world is going to collapse because of it. But uh,

2555
01:57:41,320 --> 01:57:43,040
Speaker 1: if you're at if you're showing up to fan Q

2556
01:57:43,160 --> 01:57:45,320
Speaker 1: and A's and then asking the women for their numbers,

2557
01:57:46,440 --> 01:57:49,560
Speaker 1: you know you're a fucking dufist. Just want to be We.

2558
01:57:49,480 --> 01:57:52,200
Speaker 2: Never get solicited like that at our live show Q

2559
01:57:52,320 --> 01:57:55,160
Speaker 2: and A for parts, Luke, I wonder why, yeah.

2560
01:57:55,040 --> 01:57:56,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, you get the town drunk to then

2561
01:57:57,000 --> 01:57:59,360
Speaker 1: challenge me to a beer drinking contest, and they forget

2562
01:57:59,400 --> 01:58:01,120
Speaker 1: they're in one in the middle of it with me.

2563
01:58:01,360 --> 01:58:04,240
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, that is true. Look, big weekend for

2564
01:58:04,280 --> 01:58:06,640
Speaker 2: Colin McGregor. I'm sure you've seen it, but McGregor was

2565
01:58:06,640 --> 01:58:09,240
Speaker 2: at Game four of the NBA Finals in Miami dressed

2566
01:58:09,280 --> 01:58:13,520
Speaker 2: like Jorge Mosvital and he knocked out the Miami Heat

2567
01:58:13,640 --> 01:58:16,840
Speaker 2: mascot who needed to go to the er afterwards. Luke

2568
01:58:16,880 --> 01:58:17,440
Speaker 2: your thoughts.

2569
01:58:19,440 --> 01:58:21,400
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit with Dana on this one. I

2570
01:58:21,440 --> 01:58:23,560
Speaker 1: did see this clip that he put out on social

2571
01:58:23,600 --> 01:58:26,920
Speaker 1: ord now sorry that I think Mike Bond had asked him, Hey,

2572
01:58:26,960 --> 01:58:28,280
Speaker 1: did you see it? And he was like, dude, who

2573
01:58:28,320 --> 01:58:32,480
Speaker 1: are these fucking people who are negotiating that mascots take

2574
01:58:32,520 --> 01:58:36,040
Speaker 1: punches from profighters, including Deontay Wilder. Wilder fucked up someone

2575
01:58:36,040 --> 01:58:38,680
Speaker 1: on like one of the I think ESPN de Portes.

2576
01:58:39,120 --> 01:58:41,360
Speaker 1: He messed up some mascot on there. He fucked him

2577
01:58:41,440 --> 01:58:43,960
Speaker 1: up real good, you know, Like I agree, like, why

2578
01:58:44,000 --> 01:58:45,760
Speaker 1: are they doing this shit now? The second one was

2579
01:58:45,760 --> 01:58:47,320
Speaker 1: a little gratuitous though, right, Like.

2580
01:58:47,440 --> 01:58:49,800
Speaker 2: I mean, should connor stepped into bull shots and gone

2581
01:58:49,840 --> 01:58:52,200
Speaker 2: full speed? Look, I mean what we're talking about so.

2582
01:58:52,240 --> 01:58:54,080
Speaker 1: That he can lay him out with the first one,

2583
01:58:54,120 --> 01:58:55,760
Speaker 1: and you can get an excuse, but then he hit

2584
01:58:55,840 --> 01:58:58,000
Speaker 1: him with the ground and pound, and I was like, man,

2585
01:58:58,000 --> 01:58:59,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if it called for that.

2586
01:58:59,520 --> 01:59:02,360
Speaker 2: You know, Well, look, it seems we've debated lately. Is

2587
01:59:02,360 --> 01:59:04,280
Speaker 2: Connor live in the spartan life or is he on

2588
01:59:04,320 --> 01:59:05,880
Speaker 2: the loose, wet and wild?

2589
01:59:05,920 --> 01:59:08,120
Speaker 1: Does this looked like a guy who wants to get

2590
01:59:08,120 --> 01:59:12,120
Speaker 1: in the ring and fist fight another man? People? I

2591
01:59:12,160 --> 01:59:14,240
Speaker 1: want to say something about this, because it's like every

2592
01:59:14,240 --> 01:59:16,120
Speaker 1: time we say that, or every time someone like us

2593
01:59:16,120 --> 01:59:18,680
Speaker 1: says it, everyone's like, oh, you don't know his life

2594
01:59:18,680 --> 01:59:20,440
Speaker 1: that he couldn't train Guys. I'm not even saying I

2595
01:59:20,480 --> 01:59:22,160
Speaker 1: don't want him back. I'd be happy to have him

2596
01:59:22,160 --> 01:59:25,120
Speaker 1: back and competing and whatever. Or if he wants to

2597
01:59:25,160 --> 01:59:27,360
Speaker 1: live his life and never come back, I respect it.

2598
01:59:27,400 --> 01:59:30,040
Speaker 1: I honestly like I've got no dog in the fight

2599
01:59:30,160 --> 01:59:33,080
Speaker 1: about like how much I want him back. I'm just saying,

2600
01:59:33,960 --> 01:59:36,360
Speaker 1: look at it. Does it look to you like a

2601
01:59:36,440 --> 01:59:38,600
Speaker 1: guy who wants to get in there and do the

2602
01:59:38,640 --> 01:59:41,280
Speaker 1: things that you have to do to get ready for

2603
01:59:41,320 --> 01:59:44,400
Speaker 1: a fight and then to fight itself. No, it definitely

2604
01:59:44,480 --> 01:59:45,880
Speaker 1: does not look that way, you know.

2605
01:59:46,320 --> 01:59:48,800
Speaker 2: Robbie Fox of Barstool Luke tweeted out that he talked

2606
01:59:48,840 --> 01:59:51,960
Speaker 2: to Dana offline and asked about Connor returning, and Dana

2607
01:59:52,000 --> 01:59:54,720
Speaker 2: said he's definitely coming back and fighting. They just don't

2608
01:59:54,720 --> 01:59:56,520
Speaker 2: know if it's the end of this year or early

2609
01:59:56,640 --> 01:59:59,360
Speaker 2: next year, which really is starting to support the whole

2610
01:59:59,440 --> 02:00:01,760
Speaker 2: yusada are argument of, Like, is he waiting for his

2611
02:00:01,840 --> 02:00:04,040
Speaker 2: body to flush out before he can enter that pool?

2612
02:00:04,120 --> 02:00:04,280
Speaker 5: Luke?

2613
02:00:04,360 --> 02:00:05,520
Speaker 2: Right, doesn't it feel like that?

2614
02:00:05,680 --> 02:00:07,760
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe it's that could be sure.

2615
02:00:07,600 --> 02:00:09,680
Speaker 2: It's weird. I don't know. All right, Well, Luke, you

2616
02:00:09,800 --> 02:00:12,160
Speaker 2: probably didn't watch episode two of The Ultimate Fighter season

2617
02:00:12,200 --> 02:00:15,640
Speaker 2: thirty one. The only redeemable part, Luke was Connor McGregor

2618
02:00:15,680 --> 02:00:17,920
Speaker 2: showing up at the Tough House and wild and out.

2619
02:00:18,000 --> 02:00:19,320
Speaker 2: Let's look at the videotaper.

2620
02:00:19,840 --> 02:00:25,800
Speaker 1: Yes, you everyone hung out downstairs.

2621
02:00:25,840 --> 02:00:27,080
Speaker 2: He's an entertainer for sure.

2622
02:00:27,200 --> 02:00:28,880
Speaker 1: I'm just going to be on the stairs to get that.

2623
02:00:31,920 --> 02:00:35,000
Speaker 4: He's as advertised, I should say, he's got a fantastic

2624
02:00:35,160 --> 02:00:38,879
Speaker 4: energy and he's really motivating both teams just to be

2625
02:00:38,880 --> 02:00:40,880
Speaker 4: better man, to be good fighters.

2626
02:00:43,600 --> 02:00:48,280
Speaker 2: Look, he's motivating them through pints of of of beer

2627
02:00:48,280 --> 02:00:50,800
Speaker 2: and whiskey. There, Luke, Not everybody really excited about it.

2628
02:00:50,840 --> 02:00:55,200
Speaker 2: Here's Cody Gibson, former UFC fighter who's part of this season,

2629
02:00:55,680 --> 02:00:58,120
Speaker 2: Luke he was not pleased about Connor staying up at

2630
02:00:58,160 --> 02:00:59,800
Speaker 2: the house and partying and keeping them up. Let's go

2631
02:00:59,800 --> 02:01:01,320
Speaker 2: to the I Curate portrayal.

2632
02:01:01,360 --> 02:01:04,320
Speaker 5: I guess they didn't show Connor staying at the house

2633
02:01:04,360 --> 02:01:07,320
Speaker 5: till two in the morning that night of that haircut,

2634
02:01:07,320 --> 02:01:09,360
Speaker 5: when we were all I was pissed off because I

2635
02:01:09,400 --> 02:01:12,080
Speaker 5: had to weigh in the next morning, and I just

2636
02:01:12,080 --> 02:01:13,880
Speaker 5: couldn't go to sleep because you got this Irish guy,

2637
02:01:14,040 --> 02:01:17,120
Speaker 5: you know, running through the house screaming till two in

2638
02:01:17,160 --> 02:01:17,560
Speaker 5: the morning.

2639
02:01:17,600 --> 02:01:18,360
Speaker 2: So I was a little bit.

2640
02:01:18,920 --> 02:01:21,640
Speaker 5: I think his Instagram documented that better than The Ultimate

2641
02:01:21,640 --> 02:01:25,840
Speaker 5: Fighter did. So yeah, well, sometimes he was like what

2642
02:01:25,920 --> 02:01:30,400
Speaker 5: you see on TV, you know, and sometimes he was

2643
02:01:30,440 --> 02:01:35,839
Speaker 5: completely different. I think I've listened to a few different

2644
02:01:35,880 --> 02:01:38,040
Speaker 5: coaches and different guys that are on the show that

2645
02:01:38,080 --> 02:01:40,960
Speaker 5: have had interviews about it, and it's almost universal that

2646
02:01:41,040 --> 02:01:45,080
Speaker 5: you hear how you hear people describe him is bipolar.

2647
02:01:45,880 --> 02:01:48,760
Speaker 5: I mean, like you don't know what you're gonna get,

2648
02:01:48,840 --> 02:01:53,640
Speaker 5: and each day was different. He was either gonna be

2649
02:01:53,640 --> 02:01:55,840
Speaker 5: eccentric and kind of over the top, and you're almost like,

2650
02:01:56,040 --> 02:01:58,960
Speaker 5: is this guy like coked up right now, or like

2651
02:01:59,520 --> 02:02:01,000
Speaker 5: he would be like back and you wouldn't even really

2652
02:02:01,120 --> 02:02:02,720
Speaker 5: he kind of just been blended into the back, like

2653
02:02:03,600 --> 02:02:05,560
Speaker 5: you know, so you never really knew what you were

2654
02:02:05,600 --> 02:02:09,040
Speaker 5: gonna get, whether you're gonna get a nice guy or

2655
02:02:09,080 --> 02:02:12,480
Speaker 5: a not so nice guy, you know, so you kind

2656
02:02:12,480 --> 02:02:17,320
Speaker 5: of were always not sure and it changed frequently. So yeah,

2657
02:02:17,360 --> 02:02:20,760
Speaker 5: it was a that part of it. I mean, yeah,

2658
02:02:20,760 --> 02:02:23,440
Speaker 5: I don't know, it was hard to read him for

2659
02:02:23,520 --> 02:02:25,200
Speaker 5: sure because you just didn't know what you're gonna get.

2660
02:02:25,560 --> 02:02:27,400
Speaker 5: I don't really have a lot of respect for Connor

2661
02:02:27,400 --> 02:02:27,920
Speaker 5: as a man.

2662
02:02:32,280 --> 02:02:32,600
Speaker 2: Damn.

2663
02:02:32,880 --> 02:02:35,080
Speaker 1: Wow, that's a that's an aggressive turn.

2664
02:02:35,600 --> 02:02:37,960
Speaker 2: Well, I mean he straight up said, dude, looks coked out.

2665
02:02:38,040 --> 02:02:39,320
Speaker 2: I mean that's that's wow.

2666
02:02:39,520 --> 02:02:42,560
Speaker 1: Okay, see, are you aware of the Cody Gibson Google

2667
02:02:42,640 --> 02:02:45,320
Speaker 1: Me Bitch fight? Do you do you know what this is?

2668
02:02:45,560 --> 02:02:45,680
Speaker 5: No?

2669
02:02:45,760 --> 02:02:49,160
Speaker 1: I don't no, no. So, uh, he got into some

2670
02:02:49,200 --> 02:02:54,000
Speaker 1: street fight I think at the end of his UFC

2671
02:02:54,120 --> 02:02:57,640
Speaker 1: run or like somewhere in the middle slash end of it.

2672
02:02:58,040 --> 02:02:59,440
Speaker 1: And I don't think he I don't even know if

2673
02:02:59,440 --> 02:03:01,640
Speaker 1: he won that streak, but he famously was on tape

2674
02:03:01,680 --> 02:03:03,520
Speaker 1: saying Google me bitch to the guy, because you're trying

2675
02:03:03,520 --> 02:03:05,080
Speaker 1: to explain to him like I fought in the UFC,

2676
02:03:06,520 --> 02:03:08,120
Speaker 1: but I didn't know what was gonna happen to as

2677
02:03:08,120 --> 02:03:09,640
Speaker 1: a career for that. I was actually really happy to

2678
02:03:09,680 --> 02:03:11,400
Speaker 1: see him back. He's a smart dude, could he Gibson?

2679
02:03:11,640 --> 02:03:13,800
Speaker 2: So yeah, they show him as a hard working family

2680
02:03:13,840 --> 02:03:15,640
Speaker 2: man in that show. They're really trying to put that over.

2681
02:03:16,400 --> 02:03:17,920
Speaker 2: Let's go to your ko of the week, Luke. It

2682
02:03:17,960 --> 02:03:20,520
Speaker 2: comes from the soccer pitch. It's interestingly enough.

2683
02:03:23,840 --> 02:03:28,880
Speaker 1: Damn shit, yeah wow, right, hit her with the old Superman,

2684
02:03:29,000 --> 02:03:30,880
Speaker 1: punched y the.

2685
02:03:30,840 --> 02:03:34,200
Speaker 2: Old GSP there leaping. Yeah, wow, that's incredible.

2686
02:03:34,280 --> 02:03:36,600
Speaker 1: Let's keep it's not legal in the in the soccer

2687
02:03:36,640 --> 02:03:39,080
Speaker 1: that I watch. I'm certainly no expert, but that's not legal.

2688
02:03:39,320 --> 02:03:41,480
Speaker 2: No, not legal at all. Look, when you walk through

2689
02:03:41,560 --> 02:03:44,800
Speaker 2: first class to get to coach, you have a way

2690
02:03:44,880 --> 02:03:49,040
Speaker 2: of just crop dusting. The the more you know, the

2691
02:03:49,080 --> 02:03:51,720
Speaker 2: well endowed public who had the opportunity to sit in

2692
02:03:51,840 --> 02:03:55,680
Speaker 2: nicer seats than you. We have a visual representation of

2693
02:03:55,680 --> 02:03:57,640
Speaker 2: what it feels like to sit in first class as

2694
02:03:57,720 --> 02:03:58,560
Speaker 2: Luke walks.

2695
02:03:58,240 --> 02:04:15,200
Speaker 1: By, are these Turkish football fans.

2696
02:04:16,680 --> 02:04:18,600
Speaker 2: It's also what it looks like to be in the

2697
02:04:18,640 --> 02:04:20,240
Speaker 2: Morning Combat Studio with you, Luke.

2698
02:04:21,200 --> 02:04:23,880
Speaker 1: You say it about a very specific instance where it's

2699
02:04:23,920 --> 02:04:27,480
Speaker 1: like from walking through first class into coach. The reality is,

2700
02:04:27,560 --> 02:04:29,320
Speaker 1: even if I have been lucky enough to sit in

2701
02:04:29,360 --> 02:04:32,080
Speaker 1: first class, I'm just gonna spray them to everyone is

2702
02:04:32,120 --> 02:04:34,000
Speaker 1: gonna get fumigated. Just just know that.

2703
02:04:34,520 --> 02:04:37,400
Speaker 2: Okay, Hey, I got a great Christmas present idea for

2704
02:04:37,440 --> 02:04:41,720
Speaker 2: our buddy Ray Flores. Luke, Right, what do you know

2705
02:04:41,720 --> 02:04:42,240
Speaker 2: about Ray?

2706
02:04:42,880 --> 02:04:43,920
Speaker 1: He loves Hassebulla.

2707
02:04:44,200 --> 02:04:46,680
Speaker 2: There you go. Let's go to the videotape. We should

2708
02:04:46,760 --> 02:04:48,440
Speaker 2: totally I hope he's not watching. We should get him this.

2709
02:04:48,480 --> 02:04:53,720
Speaker 1: Look at this, dude, I gotta tell you you know

2710
02:04:53,760 --> 02:04:56,360
Speaker 1: what has died in terms of like showing up on

2711
02:04:56,440 --> 02:04:59,200
Speaker 1: my timelines. And don't say pornography because that's not true.

2712
02:04:59,320 --> 02:05:03,200
Speaker 1: But uh, I don't see hardly any hass bullet and

2713
02:05:03,320 --> 02:05:05,960
Speaker 1: I never see liver King anymore? Are those Is liver

2714
02:05:06,040 --> 02:05:06,760
Speaker 1: King still around?

2715
02:05:07,000 --> 02:05:09,240
Speaker 2: I don't think so, Luke. He got ousted as a

2716
02:05:09,280 --> 02:05:11,040
Speaker 2: steroid abuser, so that's what happened.

2717
02:05:11,040 --> 02:05:13,040
Speaker 1: He did, He certainly did. That's been the end of him.

2718
02:05:13,200 --> 02:05:16,200
Speaker 2: Big weekend for Tao Femo at MSG. Here's a little

2719
02:05:16,240 --> 02:05:19,160
Speaker 2: highlight package to illustrate his brilliance. Watch this, Luke.

2720
02:05:32,160 --> 02:05:34,480
Speaker 1: I mean there's he leaves his feet and like a

2721
02:05:34,480 --> 02:05:39,360
Speaker 1: lot of that is very not recommended. But good lord,

2722
02:05:39,400 --> 02:05:40,200
Speaker 1: he makes it work.

2723
02:05:40,880 --> 02:05:42,760
Speaker 2: I mean he can't. They can't hit him, Luke. These

2724
02:05:42,760 --> 02:05:46,440
Speaker 2: footwork patterns are off the charts. Here he's dancing, you know,

2725
02:05:48,640 --> 02:05:49,800
Speaker 2: and then he stings.

2726
02:05:49,480 --> 02:05:52,760
Speaker 1: Like a cobra. Yeah, it's more just the foot. He

2727
02:05:53,680 --> 02:05:56,800
Speaker 1: is creating uncertainty with the feet and then he tags

2728
02:05:56,880 --> 02:05:59,520
Speaker 1: them with the jab. But this is all like yeah,

2729
02:05:59,560 --> 02:06:04,080
Speaker 1: I mean, Jesus, very risky, but he got away with it. Here, boy,

2730
02:06:04,160 --> 02:06:06,040
Speaker 1: let me tell you, I don't think you could get

2731
02:06:06,040 --> 02:06:07,680
Speaker 1: away with that kind of stuff. I mean, remember Taylor

2732
02:06:07,720 --> 02:06:09,800
Speaker 1: is thirty two. You do this shit against Tank, Tank

2733
02:06:09,840 --> 02:06:10,960
Speaker 1: will let you on fire for that.

2734
02:06:11,400 --> 02:06:13,280
Speaker 2: Here's a postfight rant he did in front of the

2735
02:06:13,320 --> 02:06:16,400
Speaker 2: media ring side, suggesting possible retirement. Let's listen.

2736
02:06:16,920 --> 02:06:20,680
Speaker 3: Twenty five years young, seven time world champion, two time

2737
02:06:20,800 --> 02:06:23,760
Speaker 3: Lenial World champion, two divisional world champion.

2738
02:06:24,360 --> 02:06:26,440
Speaker 1: I mean, two Hall of Fame careers in one at

2739
02:06:26,600 --> 02:06:27,320
Speaker 1: just twenty five.

2740
02:06:27,760 --> 02:06:30,080
Speaker 3: You can't tell me I'm not great. You cannot tell

2741
02:06:30,080 --> 02:06:32,480
Speaker 3: me I'm not the double greatest since Muhama Ali this

2742
02:06:32,520 --> 02:06:34,200
Speaker 3: is what I do, is what I do best.

2743
02:06:34,280 --> 02:06:36,920
Speaker 2: Now, just steer it up. I might retired.

2744
02:06:41,840 --> 02:06:44,000
Speaker 1: I can say he's not the best sense Muhammad Ali.

2745
02:06:44,040 --> 02:06:46,280
Speaker 1: I can definitely say that big.

2746
02:06:46,080 --> 02:06:48,400
Speaker 2: Win though, big win, and that retirement is only about

2747
02:06:48,440 --> 02:06:50,120
Speaker 2: money and it's not real. We all know that. But

2748
02:06:50,400 --> 02:06:53,440
Speaker 2: great win. He's allowed to poof out a little bit

2749
02:06:53,480 --> 02:06:56,080
Speaker 2: and do that. Let's go elsewhere in boxing, Luke over

2750
02:06:56,200 --> 02:07:01,400
Speaker 2: on his own women's fighter Cherneka Johnson way in wearing

2751
02:07:01,440 --> 02:07:03,240
Speaker 2: only body paint your thoughts.

2752
02:07:02,960 --> 02:07:06,400
Speaker 1: Luke, not gonna complain.

2753
02:07:06,760 --> 02:07:10,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there we go. We showed it though, Okay,

2754
02:07:10,840 --> 02:07:11,240
Speaker 2: here we go.

2755
02:07:11,680 --> 02:07:13,960
Speaker 1: I always see this, like these guys who complain about

2756
02:07:13,960 --> 02:07:16,960
Speaker 1: like women wearing yoga pants everywhere. I'm like, why would

2757
02:07:17,000 --> 02:07:21,200
Speaker 1: any straight guy complain about that? Like, what would be

2758
02:07:21,240 --> 02:07:23,760
Speaker 1: the what would be the angle there that would make

2759
02:07:23,800 --> 02:07:25,240
Speaker 1: you think that you wanted to see? Less?

2760
02:07:25,280 --> 02:07:28,240
Speaker 2: Distraction, Luke. A distraction, okay, a constant.

2761
02:07:27,960 --> 02:07:32,400
Speaker 1: Disc thank goodness, great whoever? I mean, it's just baffling arguments.

2762
02:07:32,960 --> 02:07:37,200
Speaker 2: We mentioned. Mungia and Derri Vinchenko put on an absolute classic. Luke.

2763
02:07:37,240 --> 02:07:39,040
Speaker 2: Here's a little highlight from when they went to war.

2764
02:07:39,160 --> 02:07:40,800
Speaker 2: The first two rounds were insane by the.

2765
02:07:40,800 --> 02:07:45,840
Speaker 1: Way, dude, Mungia just getting absolutely pinnyata here.

2766
02:07:45,920 --> 02:07:52,400
Speaker 2: Man deravin Chenko is a dog.

2767
02:07:52,280 --> 02:07:55,040
Speaker 1: Man thirty seven though, Man, I don't know how many

2768
02:07:55,040 --> 02:07:56,000
Speaker 1: of these he's got left.

2769
02:07:56,480 --> 02:07:59,520
Speaker 2: I don't know. Adrian Broner made a big comeback on

2770
02:07:59,680 --> 02:08:02,440
Speaker 2: the Highlighte Fronton in South Florida Friday night.

2771
02:08:02,560 --> 02:08:05,000
Speaker 1: By the way, speaking of moist poutine. What did he

2772
02:08:05,120 --> 02:08:05,600
Speaker 1: have to say?

2773
02:08:05,640 --> 02:08:08,600
Speaker 2: BC, Well, he came out with his whole team wearing

2774
02:08:08,720 --> 02:08:13,160
Speaker 2: free Tank T shirts. Luke, your thoughts on this political statement?

2775
02:08:13,440 --> 02:08:15,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I gotta tell you, a Tank situation does not

2776
02:08:16,320 --> 02:08:19,920
Speaker 1: immediately scream to me, got great sympathy, but takes all kinds.

2777
02:08:19,960 --> 02:08:22,960
Speaker 2: I suppose Ab has long been a mentor for Tank.

2778
02:08:22,960 --> 02:08:24,720
Speaker 2: A lot of people don't realize behind the scenes, and

2779
02:08:24,760 --> 02:08:27,160
Speaker 2: Tank always shoots, shouts him out and gives him credit

2780
02:08:27,160 --> 02:08:29,160
Speaker 2: for that. Luke, don King put a ring on the

2781
02:08:29,240 --> 02:08:33,400
Speaker 2: Highlighte Fronton, put the Ukrainian colors on the ropes, hung

2782
02:08:33,560 --> 02:08:36,480
Speaker 2: Ukrainian flags from the top with his logo in the

2783
02:08:36,480 --> 02:08:37,800
Speaker 2: middle of it. Is that too far?

2784
02:08:38,000 --> 02:08:42,280
Speaker 1: I mean, you tell me, Luke, why does don King

2785
02:08:42,360 --> 02:08:43,320
Speaker 1: care about Ukraine?

2786
02:08:43,680 --> 02:08:45,640
Speaker 2: I don't know. Let's go to ab, Luke. He thought

2787
02:08:45,640 --> 02:08:48,520
Speaker 2: a boxing lawyer, and he ended up getting a decision.

2788
02:08:48,560 --> 02:08:50,360
Speaker 2: He looked pretty good in the first round, though it

2789
02:08:50,360 --> 02:08:51,680
Speaker 2: looked like he went for the ko. What do you

2790
02:08:51,680 --> 02:08:56,800
Speaker 2: think of this? I mean, at least he's throwing punches.

2791
02:08:56,560 --> 02:08:57,040
Speaker 5: Right.

2792
02:09:00,520 --> 02:09:06,040
Speaker 1: Man? This is who is this fucking guy?

2793
02:09:06,240 --> 02:09:09,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, Hutchinson. I mean he's like a journeyman boxer and

2794
02:09:09,080 --> 02:09:11,120
Speaker 2: a lawyer. I don't know, Luke, but here's the post

2795
02:09:11,200 --> 02:09:13,880
Speaker 2: fight interview that went very viral. Let's listen into this.

2796
02:09:14,360 --> 02:09:15,120
Speaker 1: It wasn't everything.

2797
02:09:16,360 --> 02:09:18,440
Speaker 6: Well, it was everything I wanted, but it won't everything

2798
02:09:18,480 --> 02:09:20,320
Speaker 6: I needed. Right now, I need some pussy.

2799
02:09:20,800 --> 02:09:27,280
Speaker 2: Oh god, oh God, oh god. Okay, all right, before

2800
02:09:27,280 --> 02:09:29,360
Speaker 2: we get to that you want next to the ring

2801
02:09:29,400 --> 02:09:29,840
Speaker 2: to your mind?

2802
02:09:29,920 --> 02:09:33,480
Speaker 6: Hey man, listen, man, this is my first time on

2803
02:09:33,600 --> 02:09:35,720
Speaker 6: don King pay per view, so I gotta.

2804
02:09:35,560 --> 02:09:36,360
Speaker 2: Get it to y'all.

2805
02:09:36,640 --> 02:09:42,440
Speaker 6: Anybody can't get it. Africans, Americans, Dominicans, no disrespect to.

2806
02:09:42,480 --> 02:09:45,160
Speaker 1: No law form out there. But attorney just got it.

2807
02:09:46,320 --> 02:09:48,640
Speaker 6: Anybody can't get it.

2808
02:09:48,680 --> 02:09:50,960
Speaker 2: Is there nobody special that you like, you want that

2809
02:09:51,000 --> 02:09:52,640
Speaker 2: you're asking for or looking for?

2810
02:09:52,680 --> 02:09:54,160
Speaker 1: Anyone with the title.

2811
02:09:54,200 --> 02:09:58,720
Speaker 6: Anybody with the title, Uh, I see uh uh? What's

2812
02:09:58,720 --> 02:10:06,840
Speaker 6: his name? Romello Retado? What's his name, Oh roly shit.

2813
02:10:07,840 --> 02:10:10,760
Speaker 6: I like the winner of Tea Femo and Josh Taylor

2814
02:10:11,040 --> 02:10:12,520
Speaker 6: and whoever whoever else got the belt.

2815
02:10:12,560 --> 02:10:13,520
Speaker 1: I want all the belts.

2816
02:10:13,640 --> 02:10:14,360
Speaker 6: I don't just want a.

2817
02:10:14,400 --> 02:10:16,800
Speaker 2: Louis Belda Gucci belt. I want the WBA belt, in.

2818
02:10:16,840 --> 02:10:19,040
Speaker 6: Wb old belt, WBC belt, and I be.

2819
02:10:19,080 --> 02:10:19,720
Speaker 2: F belt too.

2820
02:10:21,560 --> 02:10:23,840
Speaker 1: DoD, what do you ever mind for our young man?

2821
02:10:24,240 --> 02:10:27,200
Speaker 1: Jim Browner? Who do you ever mind? What's next from?

2822
02:10:27,560 --> 02:10:27,760
Speaker 2: Well?

2823
02:10:28,160 --> 02:10:30,520
Speaker 1: Right now, you know there's this guy named Oscar de

2824
02:10:30,640 --> 02:10:33,200
Speaker 1: la Hoya. You know, he's sitting out a waiver and

2825
02:10:33,280 --> 02:10:35,400
Speaker 1: he wants to meet with us. We're gonna talk about

2826
02:10:35,440 --> 02:10:35,800
Speaker 1: it now.

2827
02:10:35,920 --> 02:10:37,800
Speaker 2: Let him know if he want to come over here.

2828
02:10:37,840 --> 02:10:39,080
Speaker 6: We got a fish in that point.

2829
02:10:39,320 --> 02:10:42,120
Speaker 1: Okay, we got whatever whatever you say, what he saying,

2830
02:10:42,120 --> 02:10:44,560
Speaker 1: because we're the proper here man. Oscar, you heard what

2831
02:10:44,640 --> 02:10:45,720
Speaker 1: he said. You know what I mean.

2832
02:10:45,760 --> 02:10:47,240
Speaker 6: Come on over here and get that fish net and

2833
02:10:47,240 --> 02:10:48,520
Speaker 6: I'm a kick whoever I asked.

2834
02:10:48,280 --> 02:10:53,160
Speaker 2: You put in the ring with me. Look the fish

2835
02:10:53,240 --> 02:10:56,440
Speaker 2: That is a reference to Oscar's infamous night out with

2836
02:10:56,480 --> 02:11:00,040
Speaker 2: that hooker and Oscar posted a video from ringside of

2837
02:11:00,040 --> 02:11:02,640
Speaker 2: the Mongia fight and said, we definitely want to make

2838
02:11:02,720 --> 02:11:05,680
Speaker 2: Ryan Garcia against Adrian Broner your thoughts.

2839
02:11:07,600 --> 02:11:09,880
Speaker 1: That's a waste of everyone's time, which means it's definitely

2840
02:11:09,920 --> 02:11:10,440
Speaker 1: gonna happen.

2841
02:11:10,560 --> 02:11:12,600
Speaker 2: I think it's perfect. I mean it's a trash fight,

2842
02:11:12,640 --> 02:11:13,800
Speaker 2: but I think it's kind of perfect.

2843
02:11:13,880 --> 02:11:17,520
Speaker 1: I think it's an absolutely trash fight, but it may happen. Also,

2844
02:11:17,840 --> 02:11:20,800
Speaker 1: that thing he said about what he you got everything

2845
02:11:20,840 --> 02:11:22,880
Speaker 1: he wanted and everything he needed and what he needed.

2846
02:11:23,240 --> 02:11:26,640
Speaker 1: Funnily enough, that is what BC says after every MK show.

2847
02:11:26,880 --> 02:11:28,960
Speaker 1: Honestly that I was so weird for him to me

2848
02:11:29,040 --> 02:11:31,240
Speaker 1: to hear brot Er say it. Because BC gets off

2849
02:11:31,280 --> 02:11:32,720
Speaker 1: the mic He's like, I need some of that too,

2850
02:11:32,760 --> 02:11:34,520
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah, we all need we all need that,

2851
02:11:34,560 --> 02:11:35,960
Speaker 1: we all need that moist poutine. BC.

2852
02:11:36,320 --> 02:11:39,920
Speaker 2: Oh wow, all right? Would you be him against Rollie?

2853
02:11:39,960 --> 02:11:43,000
Speaker 2: Would be I would have to give up all you know, illusions,

2854
02:11:43,000 --> 02:11:43,960
Speaker 2: I'd be against that fight.

2855
02:11:45,080 --> 02:11:47,800
Speaker 1: Who he remember, boy? Adrian Broner has some of the

2856
02:11:47,840 --> 02:11:51,320
Speaker 1: most interesting social media posts and post fight or even

2857
02:11:51,360 --> 02:11:54,040
Speaker 1: pre fight comments. So for example, that one time he

2858
02:11:54,120 --> 02:11:59,800
Speaker 1: thanked abortion for existing for helping him moving on. Man,

2859
02:12:00,000 --> 02:12:02,600
Speaker 1: WHI his family planning. I'm not even doing a bit

2860
02:12:02,680 --> 02:12:06,560
Speaker 1: he did that, So yeah, glad to see Adrian's back.

2861
02:12:06,600 --> 02:12:07,640
Speaker 1: We see yeah, he's back.

2862
02:12:07,920 --> 02:12:10,080
Speaker 2: Look, we've got a nice meme on the internet about

2863
02:12:10,080 --> 02:12:13,000
Speaker 2: how Keith Peterson has put together It's apparently not made

2864
02:12:13,040 --> 02:12:21,840
Speaker 2: out of hoo chin cheap women. Let's see this, it's

2865
02:12:21,880 --> 02:12:23,080
Speaker 2: about right right.

2866
02:12:23,200 --> 02:12:26,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a little mean, but a little fair, if

2867
02:12:26,880 --> 02:12:28,760
Speaker 1: I could be honest, Luke.

2868
02:12:29,120 --> 02:12:33,720
Speaker 2: Big moment last night, Sunday Night pay per view exhibition

2869
02:12:33,800 --> 02:12:37,880
Speaker 2: boxing forty six year old Floyd Mayweather against John Gotti

2870
02:12:38,040 --> 02:12:40,640
Speaker 2: the Third. I'm gonna set this up by saying Gotti

2871
02:12:40,880 --> 02:12:44,480
Speaker 2: was holding like crazy. Kenny Baylis warned him a million times.

2872
02:12:44,520 --> 02:12:46,920
Speaker 2: Finally Bayless had enough. Let's see what happened.

2873
02:12:53,360 --> 02:13:00,480
Speaker 1: Uh oh, good lord h oh, and then a seven

2874
02:13:00,560 --> 02:13:01,360
Speaker 1: thousand people.

2875
02:13:02,640 --> 02:13:03,560
Speaker 2: I mean there are more.

2876
02:13:03,760 --> 02:13:06,360
Speaker 1: There are more people in this ring than were attending

2877
02:13:06,360 --> 02:13:08,840
Speaker 1: Floyd's last fight with Aaron Chalmers.

2878
02:13:11,160 --> 02:13:14,760
Speaker 2: So, Luke, the fallout of this has been messy, to

2879
02:13:14,760 --> 02:13:18,000
Speaker 2: say the least. John Gotti the Third, by the way,

2880
02:13:18,000 --> 02:13:20,560
Speaker 2: there was a couple of altercations backstage between the two teams.

2881
02:13:20,680 --> 02:13:23,400
Speaker 2: John Gotty the Third put on Instagram that like this

2882
02:13:23,520 --> 02:13:26,000
Speaker 2: rivalry is never over, like we're enemies for life. So

2883
02:13:26,000 --> 02:13:28,160
Speaker 2: that's got people thinking, is this going beyond boxing. And

2884
02:13:28,160 --> 02:13:33,920
Speaker 2: then I believe Gotti's sister posted just abhorrent things about

2885
02:13:33,960 --> 02:13:36,720
Speaker 2: Floyd and his family that border on racism, and it

2886
02:13:36,920 --> 02:13:37,640
Speaker 2: just didn't.

2887
02:13:37,640 --> 02:13:42,680
Speaker 1: They didn't border on racism. They took a deep swim, yeah,

2888
02:13:42,720 --> 02:13:45,680
Speaker 1: well the oceans of racism and came out soaking wet.

2889
02:13:45,920 --> 02:13:48,480
Speaker 2: If this fight wasn't gross enough, the fall out, Luke,

2890
02:13:48,920 --> 02:13:50,760
Speaker 2: just you need a shower right away.

2891
02:13:50,760 --> 02:13:52,080
Speaker 1: I hope you know, I mean, but do so. Here's

2892
02:13:52,120 --> 02:13:54,560
Speaker 1: the thing, It's like, where was the where was this fight? Oh?

2893
02:13:54,560 --> 02:13:55,280
Speaker 1: It was in Florida.

2894
02:13:55,720 --> 02:13:58,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was at the highlight of frontin at the.

2895
02:13:58,000 --> 02:13:59,760
Speaker 1: Case, dude. I mean, listen, they fought at a high

2896
02:13:59,800 --> 02:14:02,840
Speaker 1: life arena in Florida in an exhibition about with a

2897
02:14:02,880 --> 02:14:05,800
Speaker 1: grandson of a gangster, and Floyd Mayweather whatever the fuck

2898
02:14:05,840 --> 02:14:08,240
Speaker 1: he's doing with his life at this point, like, there

2899
02:14:08,320 --> 02:14:11,200
Speaker 1: was no other way for this to go. This was

2900
02:14:11,240 --> 02:14:13,040
Speaker 1: the way that it had to go, This was the

2901
02:14:13,040 --> 02:14:16,760
Speaker 1: way it was inevitably all was going to go. I

2902
02:14:16,800 --> 02:14:20,480
Speaker 1: was thinking about this THEUGHBC. Seriously, if you count the

2903
02:14:20,560 --> 02:14:22,960
Speaker 1: money he made fighting Logan Paul, the answer is probably

2904
02:14:22,960 --> 02:14:24,080
Speaker 1: going to be a lot. But I think let's just

2905
02:14:24,120 --> 02:14:27,800
Speaker 1: for the sake of argument discount that how much money

2906
02:14:27,960 --> 02:14:31,080
Speaker 1: in just exhibitions has Floyd Mayweather made? So you could

2907
02:14:31,080 --> 02:14:34,520
Speaker 1: count the Tension Nascali fight and everything after that, but

2908
02:14:34,680 --> 02:14:35,520
Speaker 1: not counting.

2909
02:14:35,720 --> 02:14:38,839
Speaker 2: Again seven or eight of them, six or seven of them.

2910
02:14:38,680 --> 02:14:41,480
Speaker 1: Probably an average twenty thirty million.

2911
02:14:41,640 --> 02:14:44,040
Speaker 2: I would say, an average of five million per fight, right,

2912
02:14:44,280 --> 02:14:47,040
Speaker 2: because a stupid money for these.

2913
02:14:47,120 --> 02:14:49,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's probably he's probably close to thirty million dollars.

2914
02:14:49,600 --> 02:14:51,200
Speaker 1: And then again with the Logan Paul flight, which you

2915
02:14:51,240 --> 02:14:52,560
Speaker 1: did like a million pay per view buys.

2916
02:14:52,800 --> 02:14:55,520
Speaker 2: I mean, he claims he made three hundred million against Manny.

2917
02:14:55,560 --> 02:14:57,960
Speaker 2: I saw the one hundred million dollars guarantee check that

2918
02:14:58,000 --> 02:15:00,440
Speaker 2: he flashed at the press conference afterwards. It was legit.

2919
02:15:00,840 --> 02:15:05,000
Speaker 2: He made a reportedly one hundred guaranteed against McGregor, plus

2920
02:15:05,040 --> 02:15:07,360
Speaker 2: you know, pay per view extras. I mean, you would

2921
02:15:07,400 --> 02:15:09,160
Speaker 2: think he would never have to work again. I don't

2922
02:15:09,200 --> 02:15:11,480
Speaker 2: understand this tour, to be fair, But you know, like

2923
02:15:11,480 --> 02:15:14,360
Speaker 2: I always say, all all of our heroes across history

2924
02:15:14,400 --> 02:15:16,640
Speaker 2: have done stuff like this. It's just what people do, Luke.

2925
02:15:16,920 --> 02:15:19,720
Speaker 2: But it's it's getting weird. It's getting weirder every day, Luke,

2926
02:15:19,760 --> 02:15:22,880
Speaker 2: Amanda Nuness and Marlon mo Reisch retired this weekend. But

2927
02:15:22,920 --> 02:15:27,360
Speaker 2: they weren't the only MMA heroes. Antonio Bigfoot Silva somehow

2928
02:15:27,440 --> 02:15:31,200
Speaker 2: got sanctioned to fight in France at Kingdom Fighting One

2929
02:15:31,280 --> 02:15:33,800
Speaker 2: in Grenoble, which, by the way, is the hometown of

2930
02:15:33,800 --> 02:15:36,600
Speaker 2: Andre the Giant for you wrestling fans out there. He

2931
02:15:36,680 --> 02:15:39,960
Speaker 2: got stopped for the eleventh straight time.

2932
02:15:40,040 --> 02:15:42,680
Speaker 1: He didn't get stopped, He didn't get stopped. He lost.

2933
02:15:43,040 --> 02:15:45,720
Speaker 2: Oh, he lost. He lost for the eleventh straight time. Luke,

2934
02:15:45,720 --> 02:15:48,040
Speaker 2: He's been knocked out cold in every fight discipline in

2935
02:15:48,080 --> 02:15:51,000
Speaker 2: recent years. Finally it's over.

2936
02:15:51,520 --> 02:15:55,640
Speaker 1: No, it's not over. He he retired from MMA. He

2937
02:15:55,720 --> 02:16:00,280
Speaker 1: didn't say he was retiring from everything. And he could

2938
02:16:00,320 --> 02:16:02,400
Speaker 1: easily just take another fight if you wanted to. But

2939
02:16:02,480 --> 02:16:05,520
Speaker 1: he could box again, according to this little thing he's doing.

2940
02:16:05,600 --> 02:16:07,960
Speaker 1: He could kickbox again. He could do slap again.

2941
02:16:08,080 --> 02:16:10,640
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no. Do you think Dana has has

2942
02:16:10,760 --> 02:16:12,160
Speaker 2: enough nerve to put him in the slap?

2943
02:16:12,400 --> 02:16:14,720
Speaker 1: You don't think so, right, No, I don't think. I

2944
02:16:14,760 --> 02:16:18,160
Speaker 1: don't think Nevada will say, I mean, who knows, but

2945
02:16:18,200 --> 02:16:20,200
Speaker 1: I don't even I don't think Nevada would sanction him.

2946
02:16:20,320 --> 02:16:22,200
Speaker 2: All right, let's keep it going here, Luke. With this

2947
02:16:22,240 --> 02:16:25,040
Speaker 2: is this is lengthy but fun. Maybe I don't know,

2948
02:16:25,280 --> 02:16:28,000
Speaker 2: work smarter, not harder on the construction site, Luke. We

2949
02:16:28,040 --> 02:16:29,360
Speaker 2: should all be learning from this guy.

2950
02:16:35,040 --> 02:16:37,680
Speaker 1: Those are some interesting butt cheeks.

2951
02:16:39,160 --> 02:16:41,400
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, if you don't have a tool belt, Luke,

2952
02:16:41,480 --> 02:16:44,160
Speaker 2: you can just stick it up your ass.

2953
02:16:44,280 --> 02:16:44,480
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2954
02:16:44,520 --> 02:16:47,600
Speaker 1: I guess he's been using some of those glop builders

2955
02:16:47,600 --> 02:16:51,360
Speaker 1: that all of the Instagram ladies use. Uh, you know,

2956
02:16:52,040 --> 02:16:52,680
Speaker 1: very impressive.

2957
02:16:53,200 --> 02:16:56,440
Speaker 2: Big week for fillatio, Luke. Let's go to college baseball crowd.

2958
02:16:56,680 --> 02:17:08,560
Speaker 1: Well, this has been a really interesting show. Oh boy,

2959
02:17:08,879 --> 02:17:16,640
Speaker 1: oh boy, that is uh boy, that's boy. That's you

2960
02:17:16,760 --> 02:17:18,640
Speaker 1: and Jason Aaron. Most of the time when I.

2961
02:17:18,760 --> 02:17:23,080
Speaker 2: Read no, no, let's go to the NHL pitch, Luke,

2962
02:17:23,160 --> 02:17:26,279
Speaker 2: or whatever they call it the ice this the trend continued.

2963
02:17:26,879 --> 02:17:30,520
Speaker 2: N eighteen year old Wyatt Johnston is coming straight down the

2964
02:17:30,720 --> 02:17:39,080
Speaker 2: esophagus of the wild's throat. Yeah wow, wow, it must

2965
02:17:39,400 --> 02:17:41,519
Speaker 2: that must have been something. I hope it was consensual.

2966
02:17:41,640 --> 02:17:43,560
Speaker 1: Dude, he did the old full s end. He just

2967
02:17:43,640 --> 02:17:44,240
Speaker 1: let him have it.

2968
02:17:44,280 --> 02:17:46,400
Speaker 2: You know, I want you to I want you to know, Luke.

2969
02:17:46,440 --> 02:17:48,880
Speaker 2: On my drive back from Verona, New York for Friday

2970
02:17:48,959 --> 02:17:52,040
Speaker 2: Showbox Card, I stopped at one of my favorite gas stations.

2971
02:17:52,040 --> 02:17:54,039
Speaker 2: You know that truck stop loves you ever go there,

2972
02:17:54,080 --> 02:17:55,480
Speaker 2: it's like a truck no, I've never heard of it.

2973
02:17:56,120 --> 02:18:00,720
Speaker 2: While you're shopping, they're like, driver number two, your shower

2974
02:18:00,959 --> 02:18:04,879
Speaker 2: is ready, Driver number two, your shower is ready. Luke.

2975
02:18:05,000 --> 02:18:08,080
Speaker 2: I decided I was so inspired I decided to create

2976
02:18:08,120 --> 02:18:10,760
Speaker 2: a new segment called gas Station of the Week. This

2977
02:18:11,000 --> 02:18:14,080
Speaker 2: is actually a place in the outer banks of North Carolina.

2978
02:18:15,080 --> 02:18:18,400
Speaker 2: It's called Biscuits im porn.

2979
02:18:20,280 --> 02:18:22,760
Speaker 1: Well, this is a winning formula. Let me just up

2980
02:18:22,879 --> 02:18:28,279
Speaker 1: there we go. This is a winning formula. Ladies and gentlemen.

2981
02:18:29,360 --> 02:18:31,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, apparently the food's really good, Luke.

2982
02:18:31,160 --> 02:18:32,840
Speaker 1: But you know that I can get a bacon, egg

2983
02:18:32,840 --> 02:18:36,960
Speaker 1: and cheese and a magazine full of double d's. I mean,

2984
02:18:37,160 --> 02:18:40,160
Speaker 1: what's let me get a hot dogside is.

2985
02:18:40,520 --> 02:18:43,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, that's great. That's great, Luke. Big news out

2986
02:18:43,920 --> 02:18:44,600
Speaker 2: of one time.

2987
02:18:44,640 --> 02:18:48,040
Speaker 1: I want time. What's like the nastiest truck stop you've

2988
02:18:48,080 --> 02:18:49,680
Speaker 1: ever been to? I got stopped at all right, I

2989
02:18:49,680 --> 02:18:53,160
Speaker 1: stopped at like a Stucky's I think in like North

2990
02:18:53,280 --> 02:18:56,280
Speaker 1: Georgia or something. Oh yeah, way yeah, And I had

2991
02:18:56,280 --> 02:19:00,160
Speaker 1: this woman who must have had four or five teeth. Uh,

2992
02:19:00,680 --> 02:19:04,160
Speaker 1: proposition me for sexual acts in the back of it,

2993
02:19:04,200 --> 02:19:07,400
Speaker 1: and I was like, dude, just don't even breathe near me,

2994
02:19:07,560 --> 02:19:10,200
Speaker 1: you absolute heathen. I don't even want to know you.

2995
02:19:10,560 --> 02:19:11,080
Speaker 5: I have you.

2996
02:19:11,240 --> 02:19:14,080
Speaker 2: You should hear my real stories about the worst gas

2997
02:19:14,080 --> 02:19:15,800
Speaker 2: stations I've ever had to go to the bathroom, and Luke,

2998
02:19:15,840 --> 02:19:18,080
Speaker 2: I've seen things that you just wow, Wow, we don't

2999
02:19:18,080 --> 02:19:18,320
Speaker 2: have time.

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02:19:18,520 --> 02:19:20,560
Speaker 1: This lady blew me a kiss. I mean that's how

3001
02:19:20,600 --> 02:19:21,120
Speaker 1: gross it was.

3002
02:19:21,200 --> 02:19:23,320
Speaker 2: Oh she would, she would, she would have blew you

3003
02:19:23,360 --> 02:19:24,680
Speaker 2: more than that. Look, I'll tell you that much.

3004
02:19:25,160 --> 02:19:25,360
Speaker 1: Hey.

3005
02:19:25,400 --> 02:19:28,880
Speaker 2: Big news in soccer, Luke our our our occasional colleague,

3006
02:19:29,280 --> 02:19:33,080
Speaker 2: Kate Abdo signing a four year exclusive deal with CBS

3007
02:19:33,080 --> 02:19:34,080
Speaker 2: Sports Paramount.

3008
02:19:34,600 --> 02:19:36,120
Speaker 1: I would love to get a four year deal.

3009
02:19:36,600 --> 02:19:44,160
Speaker 2: And also, Luke rate her boxing form.

3010
02:19:44,320 --> 02:19:45,520
Speaker 1: She got some straight punches.

3011
02:19:45,959 --> 02:19:50,400
Speaker 2: She trains under Deontay Wilder trainer Malik Scott in Los Angeles.

3012
02:19:50,400 --> 02:19:51,280
Speaker 2: She's actually got some.

3013
02:19:51,200 --> 02:19:54,400
Speaker 1: Form, Luke. Yeah, yeah, she's doing all right.

3014
02:19:55,120 --> 02:19:58,160
Speaker 2: All right, shout out to uh to Kate. Let's keep

3015
02:19:58,200 --> 02:20:00,680
Speaker 2: it going, Luke. It was showtime kick practice at the

3016
02:20:00,680 --> 02:20:08,880
Speaker 2: old gym. Not everybody could pull this off, though. There

3017
02:20:08,920 --> 02:20:10,200
Speaker 2: you go, that's decent.

3018
02:20:11,879 --> 02:20:14,240
Speaker 1: Oh there we go, tried to get try to get

3019
02:20:14,240 --> 02:20:16,279
Speaker 1: a little too nifty with it. Huh.

3020
02:20:16,400 --> 02:20:18,240
Speaker 2: Look, you ever wonder if you were one to two

3021
02:20:18,280 --> 02:20:21,000
Speaker 2: poor life decisions away from being an entirely different person

3022
02:20:21,080 --> 02:20:21,680
Speaker 2: right now in your.

3023
02:20:21,600 --> 02:20:23,560
Speaker 1: Life, or even alive.

3024
02:20:25,000 --> 02:20:27,800
Speaker 2: There's a guy named Gussy Gobbler on the internet. I

3025
02:20:27,879 --> 02:20:29,960
Speaker 2: swear this could have been me if I if I

3026
02:20:30,280 --> 02:20:32,280
Speaker 2: had made a wrong turn halfway through. Let's go to

3027
02:20:32,320 --> 02:20:33,680
Speaker 2: the videotape.

3028
02:20:33,800 --> 02:20:34,520
Speaker 1: From the side.

3029
02:20:34,640 --> 02:20:37,560
Speaker 2: Not no sleight of hand, guys, this you boy, Gluzy Gobbler.

3030
02:20:37,560 --> 02:20:39,680
Speaker 2: I'm back at it again, sporting hot dogs and my

3031
02:20:39,720 --> 02:20:42,840
Speaker 2: parents drive away up to no good on a Sunday.

3032
02:20:44,879 --> 02:20:47,000
Speaker 2: No sleight of hand, Tell them haters, get out of here,

3033
02:20:47,040 --> 02:20:49,400
Speaker 2: no sleeps, no shirt problem.

3034
02:20:53,640 --> 02:20:54,200
Speaker 1: Where they go?

3035
02:20:55,040 --> 02:20:57,440
Speaker 2: Tell me? Tell me I'm high your lungs right, that's

3036
02:20:57,440 --> 02:21:00,440
Speaker 2: what everyone thinks. Oh no, not like.

3037
02:21:00,600 --> 02:21:01,640
Speaker 1: Small of them boys.

3038
02:21:01,800 --> 02:21:04,440
Speaker 2: No hot dog is known victory over me.

3039
02:21:08,720 --> 02:21:11,879
Speaker 1: BC. I dated a couple of glizzy gobblers in college.

3040
02:21:13,560 --> 02:21:15,879
Speaker 2: Did one of them drive an eighteen wheeler and we're

3041
02:21:15,879 --> 02:21:18,080
Speaker 2: missing teeth? Lucas that possible? Wow?

3042
02:21:18,440 --> 02:21:20,760
Speaker 1: No, they weren't that bad, but they were some glizzy gobblers.

3043
02:21:20,800 --> 02:21:24,119
Speaker 1: Let's be oh, I do that?

3044
02:21:24,120 --> 02:21:26,800
Speaker 2: That's so disgusting. At least two them, at least a

3045
02:21:26,879 --> 02:21:27,840
Speaker 2: joint he was.

3046
02:21:27,920 --> 02:21:30,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was eating them like they were Like, dude,

3047
02:21:30,959 --> 02:21:33,440
Speaker 1: I don't even eat Starburst with that much abandoned. I

3048
02:21:33,440 --> 02:21:35,400
Speaker 1: just told Chew a little bit. This fucking guy was

3049
02:21:35,440 --> 02:21:36,080
Speaker 1: just letting them go.

3050
02:21:36,200 --> 02:21:39,720
Speaker 2: You know, Luke, you're always talking about gains being loyal.

3051
02:21:40,080 --> 02:21:43,800
Speaker 2: How loyal are these gains? Let's congratulate this deadlifter on

3052
02:21:44,000 --> 02:21:45,600
Speaker 2: six hundred pounds, Luke.

3053
02:21:48,720 --> 02:21:55,400
Speaker 1: Okay, Oh, I mean, powerlifting is truly a stupid sport.

3054
02:21:55,480 --> 02:21:56,600
Speaker 1: Let's just be honest about that.

3055
02:21:58,600 --> 02:22:01,720
Speaker 2: And finally, Luke, we show too many fails in this space.

3056
02:22:02,000 --> 02:22:04,520
Speaker 2: How about we pour one out for this scooter skateboarder

3057
02:22:04,560 --> 02:22:09,080
Speaker 2: big win here holding this together. Look at this.

3058
02:22:09,240 --> 02:22:12,199
Speaker 1: That's not easy, Luke, that's extremely difficult.

3059
02:22:12,720 --> 02:22:13,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's pretty impressive.

3060
02:22:14,040 --> 02:22:17,520
Speaker 1: Right, well, he'll see the dismount here because so far,

3061
02:22:17,600 --> 02:22:25,920
Speaker 1: so good. Oh you fucking oh that's the ship we

3062
02:22:25,959 --> 02:22:29,920
Speaker 1: got this week, Lucy the American History X himself.

3063
02:22:30,160 --> 02:22:33,600
Speaker 2: Yes, yes he did, yes he did. Uh, I have one, oh,

3064
02:22:33,680 --> 02:22:35,480
Speaker 2: I do have one more, Luke. Let me set this up.

3065
02:22:35,520 --> 02:22:38,320
Speaker 2: Thank you, Long Island, Luke. Luke, you remember, I mean

3066
02:22:38,360 --> 02:22:41,240
Speaker 2: we talked about donk of the year potential on some people.

3067
02:22:41,680 --> 02:22:43,440
Speaker 2: Some people, it's just so I made a good meme

3068
02:22:43,600 --> 02:22:46,080
Speaker 2: or I'm making you awesome merch ideas, which, by the way,

3069
02:22:46,120 --> 02:22:49,640
Speaker 2: average Joe I love it. You know. Christian Deguero, right, Luke,

3070
02:22:49,680 --> 02:22:53,600
Speaker 2: he came to our Yes, he came to our live

3071
02:22:53,640 --> 02:22:55,480
Speaker 2: show in Vegas. He told me I'm an amateur fighter.

3072
02:22:55,560 --> 02:22:58,000
Speaker 2: He put MK on his balls that time and won

3073
02:22:58,040 --> 02:23:01,240
Speaker 2: a fight. He had another your fight last night. Let's

3074
02:23:01,320 --> 02:23:07,200
Speaker 2: let's look at the videotaper. Look at this man. Look

3075
02:23:07,240 --> 02:23:08,160
Speaker 2: at this warrior.

3076
02:23:08,600 --> 02:23:15,279
Speaker 1: Oh he did the John Jones Machida bit you damn right? Oh? Snap,

3077
02:23:16,360 --> 02:23:17,800
Speaker 1: Now look at this guy.

3078
02:23:17,920 --> 02:23:21,080
Speaker 2: Man, Look at his crotch, MK on the balls right there.

3079
02:23:22,480 --> 02:23:26,000
Speaker 1: Man. We gotta get this guy a sponsorship. We gotta

3080
02:23:26,040 --> 02:23:28,000
Speaker 1: we gotta do something. We gotta make some Christian de

3081
02:23:28,000 --> 02:23:30,640
Speaker 1: Guerro like geear that people can buy or something. I

3082
02:23:30,640 --> 02:23:32,279
Speaker 1: don't know that guy.

3083
02:23:32,440 --> 02:23:35,920
Speaker 2: First of all, Christian my hero Degherro. Okay, damn right.

3084
02:23:36,280 --> 02:23:38,200
Speaker 2: Do you think he will ever let us corner him

3085
02:23:38,240 --> 02:23:39,920
Speaker 2: coach Li Tory style for one of these fights?

3086
02:23:40,000 --> 02:23:40,200
Speaker 1: Luke?

3087
02:23:40,280 --> 02:23:41,920
Speaker 2: I mean, this is what would be our dream, right.

3088
02:23:42,440 --> 02:23:44,119
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know the answer to that, but the

3089
02:23:44,160 --> 02:23:46,119
Speaker 1: only way he would is if he's stupid. So we're

3090
02:23:46,120 --> 02:23:46,800
Speaker 1: gonna find out.

3091
02:23:48,000 --> 02:23:49,840
Speaker 2: We got to interview this guy at least. I mean,

3092
02:23:49,879 --> 02:23:51,840
Speaker 2: this guy's coming on. I mean, if you're coming on, Luke,

3093
02:23:51,920 --> 02:23:53,640
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, He's coming the hell on.

3094
02:23:54,000 --> 02:23:59,920
Speaker 2: Congratulations Christian, all seriousness, bright future ahead of you. Amazing, Yeah, yeah,

3095
02:24:00,080 --> 02:24:02,199
Speaker 2: really really excited for you're You look like a true

3096
02:24:02,200 --> 02:24:04,800
Speaker 2: warrior and we appreciate it. That's the shit I got

3097
02:24:04,800 --> 02:24:05,920
Speaker 2: this week, Luke. What a show?

3098
02:24:05,959 --> 02:24:07,200
Speaker 1: What I mean, what a show?

3099
02:24:07,520 --> 02:24:10,760
Speaker 2: Two and a half hours of absolutely brilliant bullshit like this.

3100
02:24:11,000 --> 02:24:12,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know the answer to that,

3101
02:24:13,120 --> 02:24:15,120
Speaker 1: but here's what I do know. I'm gonna see BC

3102
02:24:15,240 --> 02:24:19,959
Speaker 1: tomorrow because tomorrow is stage one of the two day

3103
02:24:20,600 --> 02:24:24,640
Speaker 1: Spence Versus Crawford Media Tour. There's gonna be an event

3104
02:24:24,720 --> 02:24:27,720
Speaker 1: tomorrow in LA and then an event tomorrow. It's gonna

3105
02:24:27,720 --> 02:24:30,240
Speaker 1: be Wednesday, I should say, in New York City. So

3106
02:24:30,240 --> 02:24:32,400
Speaker 1: here's what's gonna happen. I'm gonna see BC tomorrow. We're

3107
02:24:32,440 --> 02:24:36,840
Speaker 1: gonna host that stream from our Jersey City studios, and

3108
02:24:36,879 --> 02:24:40,800
Speaker 1: then we'll be on location on Wednesday. So for Wednesday show,

3109
02:24:40,800 --> 02:24:42,440
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna have something a little bit different

3110
02:24:42,480 --> 02:24:45,400
Speaker 1: prepared for you. Guys. There will be programming available to you.

3111
02:24:45,760 --> 02:24:48,520
Speaker 1: It's just not gonna be a normal live show, So

3112
02:24:48,560 --> 02:24:50,400
Speaker 1: stick around for that just the same. Did I miss

3113
02:24:50,400 --> 02:24:51,080
Speaker 1: any part of that? BC?

3114
02:24:51,360 --> 02:24:53,440
Speaker 2: No, I think people they would prefer that we like

3115
02:24:53,480 --> 02:24:55,760
Speaker 2: got all lit up in a hotel room and considered

3116
02:24:55,760 --> 02:24:58,800
Speaker 2: banging on camera and you know, told dirty jokes and stuff.

3117
02:24:58,800 --> 02:24:59,960
Speaker 2: People like that kind of content.

3118
02:25:00,160 --> 02:25:02,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, all right, Well, we can probably provide

3119
02:25:02,200 --> 02:25:04,199
Speaker 1: something as simple as that, so being on the lookout

3120
02:25:04,200 --> 02:25:06,440
Speaker 1: for it just the same. As a reminder as well,

3121
02:25:06,800 --> 02:25:09,840
Speaker 1: extra credit is currently available up and to you. I

3122
02:25:09,879 --> 02:25:12,160
Speaker 1: don't know if it's available on the podcast platforms yet,

3123
02:25:12,160 --> 02:25:14,520
Speaker 1: but we'll make it that way. We also have the

3124
02:25:14,520 --> 02:25:17,200
Speaker 1: post fight show and everything else. BC. I saw you

3125
02:25:17,280 --> 02:25:19,280
Speaker 1: wrote a column on taofe Ma Lopez that is up

3126
02:25:19,280 --> 02:25:21,440
Speaker 1: at cbasports dot com. Is that is that right?

3127
02:25:21,640 --> 02:25:24,160
Speaker 2: Yeah? Postfight column about trying to make sense of that

3128
02:25:24,400 --> 02:25:28,879
Speaker 2: tremendous performance within all that chaos, Luke, it was, Look,

3129
02:25:28,920 --> 02:25:31,520
Speaker 2: I was. I was moved by that performance. There's no question, man,

3130
02:25:31,840 --> 02:25:34,160
Speaker 2: A lot of questions still, but damn right.

3131
02:25:34,320 --> 02:25:38,200
Speaker 1: Pretty amazing. So catch BC and I tomorrow from the

3132
02:25:38,240 --> 02:25:41,320
Speaker 1: swamps of New Jersey on the Showtime Sports YouTube channel,

3133
02:25:41,480 --> 02:25:43,800
Speaker 1: and then of course again Wednesday for the live pressor

3134
02:25:43,800 --> 02:25:45,400
Speaker 1: in New York City BC, and I will be there

3135
02:25:45,520 --> 02:25:47,360
Speaker 1: as well for that. And of course if you have

3136
02:25:47,400 --> 02:25:49,600
Speaker 1: any hey else you want at a Showtime Showtime dot

3137
02:25:49,600 --> 02:25:51,120
Speaker 1: com you can get a thirty day free trial if

3138
02:25:51,120 --> 02:25:53,759
Speaker 1: you'd like it, you can keep it the store Morningcombat

3139
02:25:53,879 --> 02:25:56,840
Speaker 1: dot Store for everything else you need, and the email

3140
02:25:57,240 --> 02:25:59,840
Speaker 1: Morningcombat at gmail dot com BC. If you are done

3141
02:26:00,080 --> 02:26:02,920
Speaker 1: as well, I want to thank everyone who watched. Thank

3142
02:26:02,920 --> 02:26:06,000
Speaker 1: you to CBA Sports, Ta Malka to Showtime. We'll see

3143
02:26:06,000 --> 02:26:08,800
Speaker 1: you guys tomorrow for Spence Versus Crawford Day one, and

3144
02:26:08,920 --> 02:26:11,720
Speaker 1: until then, may all of your gains be loyal