1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast. 2 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: Chris Harrison and Lauren Zema coming to you from the 3 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: Smoking Red Hot office in Austin, Texas. It is July 4 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: in Texas. We are feeling it. 5 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 2: I tried to escape it. But do I regret that 6 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 2: I went on a trip to Sun Valley, Idaho without you? 7 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. It was so sad. I said to Chris, hey, Okay, 8 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 2: I have this idea for Sun Valley, and he goes, yes, sorry, 9 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 2: we go. Then he said it's a girl's trip. 10 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:38,239 Speaker 1: Can we say who you went with? 11 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 2: Yes? Well, actually it's so. I think it's very pertinent 12 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:43,840 Speaker 2: for today's podcast because I went. 13 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 1: Because we're talking about divorce and relationships and should people 14 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:47,919 Speaker 1: get remarried. 15 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 2: Oh my god. When he told me what this topic was, 16 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 2: I'll tell you. I've come in from this trip hot, 17 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 2: just like it is here in Austin. My flight was 18 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 2: so delayed. I was supposed to get home at eight pm. 19 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 2: I got home at three am, so I'm exhausted. But 20 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 2: when he told I'm like half delirious. And Chris is 21 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 2: telling me yesterday the topic is just divorced and like 22 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 2: whether marriages can last I said, are you trying to 23 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 2: tell me something? 24 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 1: First of all, you got home at about two thirty 25 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: in the morning last night and crawled into the room 26 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: from this late flight. I think people should take to 27 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 1: social media anytime they have a flight that works, because look, everybody, 28 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: ninety eight percent of the travelers today, I think everything 29 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: just goes wrong. So now I think the anomaly is 30 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 1: my flight was on time. 31 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 2: I like that, and I like that because it's positive. 32 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 2: I you know what, I did not like take to 33 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 2: my phone as this was going on, because. 34 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:46,759 Speaker 1: I appreciate it that I was looking for it. 35 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 2: Well, I just don't see the point, right, Like, I'm 36 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 2: very We've talked about this before. When travel isn't going well, 37 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 2: what can you do? I posted when we were way 38 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 2: delayed for the Kentucky Derby because it was fun because 39 00:01:57,760 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 2: we were drinking and people were getting to know each other. 40 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 2: It was positive. I don't want to just get on 41 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 2: my phone and rant about a late flight. 42 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: Everybody's dealing with it, right, So anyway, but yeah, you 43 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: came in and. 44 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 2: So here's who I visited, which is why it's relevant today. 45 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 2: I'm still very close with I'm once divorced and I'm 46 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 2: still very close with my former mother in law and 47 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 2: my former sister in law and a few friends like 48 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 2: from that time in my life, so we all stay 49 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 2: very close, and it's really funny when we all explain 50 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 2: how we know each other. I'm like, well, I used 51 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 2: to be married to her son, no longer am, but 52 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 2: she's still family. I'm just a big believer. And it 53 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,079 Speaker 2: was a little interesting for us because we didn't have kids, 54 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 2: so it wasn't that, you know, we had this necessary 55 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 2: thing keeping us together. But I wish him all the best. 56 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:49,679 Speaker 2: We ended on good terms, and what was the thing 57 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 2: for me was that I had loved his family like 58 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 2: my own, and they loved me, and that was a 59 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 2: painful thing. I didn't want to have to lose that 60 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,799 Speaker 2: family and that love. So I believe in keeping the relation. 61 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,399 Speaker 2: If you can build bridges, don't burn them and take 62 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 2: a girl's trip to see your former mother in law. 63 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: I appreciated the fact that you said that from the 64 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: get go in our relationship, you told me about these 65 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: people in your life, quickly introduced me to them. I 66 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 1: have since really fallen in love with them too, and 67 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: appreciate the fact that they are value ads in your 68 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:22,839 Speaker 1: life and now mine, and so why would you cut 69 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: somebody out who is just an ad and a total 70 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 1: positive in your life? And I have We had the 71 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: same thinking. I still keep in touch with sister in 72 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: law and god kids that were on my ex wife's 73 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: side of the family. I still love these people. They 74 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: still meant a lot to me. It was twenty years 75 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: of my life. Why would you just cut that out now? 76 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: Sometimes things get toxic and you can't. Luckily we've been 77 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: able to. And I appreciated that about you. But the 78 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: main thing was bring them into my life, don't just 79 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: keep them to yourself. 80 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 2: Right And look, babe, again, this was a girl's trip. 81 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 2: You would have been welcomed. 82 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: If you need. I don't know if this is a 83 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: job or how this is going to work, but this 84 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: will be a new app if you need to hire 85 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: me for girls weekends. I'm great at girls' weekends, driving, discussion, 86 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: making drinks. I love to cook, I love to clean. 87 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: I'm just a good soldier to have around. 88 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, why aren't we doing this? Baby? You 89 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 2: do cameo. You do videos on cameo for people. You'll 90 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 2: say hi and happy birthday and happy anniversary and help 91 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 2: with proposals. We should add a little thing on your 92 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 2: cameo available for girls. 93 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: I could do bachelorette parties. I mean, I could just 94 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: see myself holding someone's hair at three in the morning 95 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 1: while she's puking. It's okay, honey, you're so pretty. 96 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 2: Then your dad's skills would kick in. So that's great. 97 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 2: All right, Well, yeah, you know what, and let's do 98 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,119 Speaker 2: this as a moneymaker to get some money for the wedding. 99 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 2: If we're still getting married, are we? Is it gonna 100 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 2: be a question after today's podcast episode. 101 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: Right now, it's a go. So let's see if we 102 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: circle back to this in about twenty or thirty minutes 103 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: and we still say it's a go. 104 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 2: Okay, So if I have this right what we wanted 105 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 2: to get into today, and I get it. There's been 106 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 2: so many celebrity divorces in the news lately, just kind 107 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 2: of feels like a rush of them. 108 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, and some people kind of rehashing their divorces, like 109 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 1: Kelly Clarkson was talking about her kids and Brad Pitt 110 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: and Angelina I'm still fighting, still fighting it out now 111 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: drama new drama on them. So there's some new breakups, 112 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: but then there's some old ones that are just won't 113 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: go away, and so it just seemed like we were 114 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: inundated with this and instead of just talking about bad news, 115 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 1: I kind of looked at these and thought, Okay, what 116 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: can we take from these? What what can we relate to? 117 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,359 Speaker 1: What can everybody relate to in all of these? 118 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 2: Yes? And how can you make it positive? Yeah? So 119 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 2: what do you want to start with? 120 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: Well, I think because Kelly Clarkson obviously has been divorced 121 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: for a while, a couple of years now. Yeah, it's 122 00:05:56,320 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: from from Brandon, her husband, and so she has two 123 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: kids seven and nine years old, Remy and River, and 124 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:08,359 Speaker 1: she said it has made her kids question love and 125 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: it's something she's had to deal with with. And I 126 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: felt so relatable to this because my kids were about 127 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: the same age as her kids when we got divorced, 128 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: and that was a. 129 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 2: Really different young like seven nine. 130 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 1: I think my kids were a couple of years older, 131 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 1: like nine and eleven maybe, but still that innocence of 132 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: believing in Santa Claus and believing in mom and dad 133 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: and everything's just going to be okay, And now you 134 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: are telling them and it's hard to explain that to 135 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: a seven and nine year old or eleven year old, 136 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: Mommy and daddy are getting divorced. We still love each other, 137 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: we respect each other, we just don't want and so 138 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: it's really impossible for a young kid to really comprehend 139 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 1: and make sense of all that. I know it happened 140 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: for my kids. It was a very difficult conversation. 141 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 2: You've told that story that when you first said it 142 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 2: to them, basically you said the word got you two 143 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:00,160 Speaker 2: said the word divorce, and they instantly started. 144 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: Well, Joshua, my son, understood it. He as well as 145 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: he could. He was a little bit older, two years 146 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: older than his sister. Taylor did not understand. And so 147 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: when Joshua got upset, she just saw her brother and 148 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: realized this is I don't know what this means. This 149 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: is bad news, and she started crying. And that is 150 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: a low point as a human being. I mean, I 151 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: think as a dad, as a parent, as a person, 152 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: it's the only thing your conditioned to do in this 153 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: life is not hurt your kids, to protect them and 154 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: help them. In that moment, you are blowing up their life, 155 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: whether it's for the better or not, and you realize 156 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: it is later. It's just a tough moment, you've got 157 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: to suck it up and do it. 158 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 2: How did you make sure maybe what Kelly's dealing with now, 159 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 2: because the kids have relationships and I think you know 160 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 2: they it's not like they certainly believe in a lot 161 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 2: of Taylor and Josh do. How did you get them 162 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 2: to a healthy place with relationships and thinking that a 163 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 2: good relationship was possible? 164 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: It is time, you know, you know how they say time, 165 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: he'll all wounds. The same goes here. Look that moment 166 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: and that speech to them, whatever age they're going to 167 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: be at the time, it's not good and it's going 168 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: to be bad news for them because as kids, especially 169 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: Kelly's kids seven and nine years old, here's what they're thinking. 170 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: I'm losing a mommy, I'm losing a daddy, I'm losing 171 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: my home, I'm losing my friends. Like their mind just. 172 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 2: Starts racing yas their stability all are. 173 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: And I don't mean this in a bad way. Children 174 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: are selfish. The world revolves around them. That's the way 175 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 1: it's supposed to be, and that's okay. That is a child. 176 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: When you are childlike, you're concerned with your own world, 177 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: and so their concern is oh my gosh, Christmas is gone. 178 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: Everything's gone, and so you quickly need to just show them, no, no, no, 179 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: Mom and Dad are still in your life. Mom and 180 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 1: Dad still love you. You. Actually, instead of one home, have two, 181 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,559 Speaker 1: and instead of one Christmas, you have too. However, it 182 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 1: gets to them you start showing them that your world 183 00:08:58,120 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: that you thought was blown up is no. 184 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 2: But even though you're just saying I mean, you said time, 185 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 2: but I think you're selling yourself and you know, and 186 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:08,199 Speaker 2: their mom may be a little short here, I want 187 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 2: you to get into it more because I know other 188 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 2: people who have had divorced parents and they are not 189 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 2: as healthy about relationships as Josh and Taylor are. I 190 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,079 Speaker 2: know people whose parents got divorced and they're in their 191 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 2: thirties and they still quote don't believe in marriage. And 192 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 2: then when I hear Josh and Taylor talk, they talk 193 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 2: about getting married one day. So how did you get 194 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 2: them to that place? 195 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: Well, I'm thankful, and I have to give some credit 196 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: to my ex who we had the discussion that no 197 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: matter what we are going through, they didn't sign up 198 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: for this. The kids had nothing to do with this. 199 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: They didn't sign up for this crap, it's on us. 200 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: Let's deal with everything ourselves. Do not use the kids, 201 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 1: do not bring the kids into it. And for the 202 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 1: most part, we were able to do that. And that 203 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 1: is a godsend because when kids get involved, you're using 204 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: them as ponds, whether it's for money or for whatever. 205 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: Power that that's when things get bad and your kids know, 206 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 1: they know. 207 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 2: Do you think it's helped. I mean, she's remarried, we're engaged. 208 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 2: Do you think it helped? Because I think a lot 209 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 2: of divorce parents are afraid to date again and what 210 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 2: it will show their kids. But like, if you stay alone, 211 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 2: then in the long run, I would think that certainly 212 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 2: reinforces love isn't possible. So do you think it helped 213 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 2: that you guys dated again and are with other people? 214 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: For sure? And I think they hear everything you say, 215 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 1: it's here everything, and they watch you. So if you 216 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:36,959 Speaker 1: are in a bad situation. I find that many divorce parents, 217 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: it's not one way or the other. Moms and dads 218 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: they start talking to their kids like their friends, like 219 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: they're a confidant. And these kids who you're opening up 220 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 1: to have their own world and their own feelings going on. 221 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 1: And so when you start treating your daughter or your 222 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: son like your best friend, and you start talking about 223 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 1: daddy or mommy, or you start talking about love or 224 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 1: trying to date and how you love sucks and your 225 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: heart broken. Yeah, that's going to affect them. So don't 226 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: treat your kids like your friend immediately after a divorce. 227 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 2: I think it's hard because adults, these parents are going 228 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 2: through so much. They're getting divorced, they're going through loss, 229 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 2: they're trying to raise kids, and it's a hard, heavy time. 230 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:17,319 Speaker 2: But that separation is so important. 231 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: You start needing stuff back from your kids, which is 232 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: not the way it goes. You give everything to your kids, 233 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 1: you don't get back, and I think people start to 234 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: try to get something back from them, like hey, I 235 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 1: need you as a sounding board, I need you to 236 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 1: show me how I'm not crazy. Or you know, your 237 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: dad is the bad guy or your mom's the bad woman. 238 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 1: So that is a toxic, terrible thing to do to 239 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: your kids, and that inevitably will lead them down the 240 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: road to have their own relationship problems. I think it 241 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: was very important that we quickly said we believe in 242 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 1: love and we still love each other. There's love in 243 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: our hearts. We are still family, et cetera, exact. 244 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 2: What you just said. And maybe because it's been a 245 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 2: year since you had this conversation, but I do remember 246 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 2: you telling me that you said right away, we still 247 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 2: love each other, and that love changes, but we still 248 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 2: love each other. It's still there. 249 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, Mommy and Daddy aren't going to live together because again, 250 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: they're you can't get too much in the weeds on this. 251 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: They are, you know Kelly Clarkson's we're seven and nine. 252 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:18,199 Speaker 1: Mine were probably nine and eleven somewhere around there. How 253 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 1: deep in the weeds can you get into it with 254 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 1: an eleven year old? They don't have the comprehension of 255 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:24,439 Speaker 1: love and commitment. 256 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:26,079 Speaker 2: And so I don't know if you remember, but as 257 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 2: the kids got older, maybe they're teenagers, they're starting to date. 258 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 2: Did they ever ask you do you plan to get 259 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 2: married again? Dad? Do you think you'd get married again? 260 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 2: And if they did, what was your answer to them? 261 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 2: Or what do you imagine it would have been? 262 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: I ended up broaching the subject eventually. It was after 263 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:44,439 Speaker 1: I went on a blind date. I went on a 264 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: date one night and we were talking about we knew 265 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 1: it wasn't going to work between us, but we had 266 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: a great conversation and I said, you know, when do 267 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: you introduce people to your kids? And I had never 268 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: introduced anybody to my kids. She said, you know what, 269 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: ask them have that conversation. At this point, they were 270 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: a few years older, and I approached the subject to say, hey, guys, 271 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,199 Speaker 1: you know mommy and daddy. You know we've been divorced 272 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: for a while, and mommy's dating. You know you've met him, 273 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,559 Speaker 1: and what do you think of me dating? And they said, great, 274 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: we don't want to meet everybody. The kids still saw 275 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: that I believed in love and I wanted that in 276 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: my life and I still hold that deer and important, 277 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 1: and I don't think the two are mutually exclusive. I 278 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: think you can get a divorce and you can believe 279 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: in love. That's what I wanted the kids to know 280 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: that I can do something that I think is best 281 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 1: for me and for your mom. But I also want 282 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: this in my life. I still believe in it. I 283 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: did the first time. I do now I really do. 284 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 1: Now done dun dun so. Speaking of doing things the 285 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: right way, another divorce that well, actually, sorry, it's not 286 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: going to be a divorce. That's kind of the beauty 287 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: of this. The former mayor of New York, build A 288 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: Blasio and his wife. They are separating. They are not 289 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: going to get divorced. They have announced that they are 290 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 1: going to live separately. They're going to go their separate ways. 291 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: They're going to share their real estate that they love, 292 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: and share their houses and all that good stuff. But 293 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: they're not going to be together. They're going to date 294 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: other people. 295 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 2: Okay, So here's what I was trying to figure out though. 296 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 2: Are they still living together? 297 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: Well, no, they are separating. They are not planning divorce. 298 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: They said they will date other people. There're going to 299 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: continue to share the park How I took that as 300 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:36,239 Speaker 1: share it as in they probably have other residences. 301 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 2: I took they will continue to share the park Slope 302 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 2: townhouse where they raise their two children, now in their twenties, 303 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 2: that they might both still live there. 304 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 1: That I don't know. So I don't know, but I 305 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: do like the fact that I understand this is getting 306 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: more and more common of people separating but not getting divorced. 307 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: I was just in Scottsdale playing golf and this guy 308 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: I was playing golf with. I said, you know you married. 309 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: He says yeah, But I said but he's like, but 310 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: I have a girlfriend. I said, wow. Explain He says, well, 311 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: my wife and I don't want to get divorced. It's 312 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: just too big of a deal. There's too much to separate. 313 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: If this is economically doesn't make sense. It makes much 314 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: more sense for us just to stay married. We both understand. 315 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: We live separately. We got her a house, I have 316 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: a house. We date. We're very open with the people 317 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 1: were dating. My concern and my thought was if I 318 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: had done this and I came to you and we 319 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: fell in love like we did at some point, don't 320 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: you want me to be more serious about getting out 321 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: of that last relationship and committing to you. I would 322 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 1: want that. 323 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think that it's well, first of all, 324 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 2: I think it's maybe an age thing and a life 325 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 2: place thing, like I remember meeting. I think it was 326 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 2: that's an aesthetian I met one time and she was 327 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 2: just telling me about her life, and she said, I 328 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 2: think it was a massage therapist. And she said her 329 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 2: and her ex were split up but not divorced, and 330 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 2: they still live together. And she said they had a 331 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 2: nine year old son, so it was to kind of 332 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 2: keep things stable for their son, and it was an 333 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 2: economics thing, like she's like, we can't really afford to 334 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 2: have two households, and I think that's a very growing 335 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 2: problem for people now. So I understand that, and it's 336 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 2: great for their kid. But she also said, well, the 337 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 2: only problem is it's been a couple years of this. 338 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 2: It's been okay. But she said, now I do want 339 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 2: to date again, and I do think that's going to 340 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 2: be an issue. I think for Mayor Deblasio and his wife, 341 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 2: maybe they've just been married so long and kind of 342 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 2: have slowly grown apart for so older. The kids are 343 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 2: in their twenties, I think they can handle dating other 344 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 2: people and be a bit more at peace with that. 345 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 2: But I think if the relationships a newer breakup and 346 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 2: you're younger and your kids are younger, it might not 347 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 2: be so easy. I definitely huh. 348 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: I found it healthy, but I found it problematic just 349 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: in my own again, relating it to my own life 350 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,880 Speaker 1: and dating and maybe if you're in your upper sixties seventies, 351 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 1: you just know you're not going to get married again, 352 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: but you can't rule that out. You can't rule out 353 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: falling in love, finding that special someone, and look, you 354 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:18,719 Speaker 1: can jump off that bridge when you get there and 355 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:20,879 Speaker 1: deal with it. But I could just imagine sitting down 356 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: and you having that conversation with me of Okay, we're 357 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 1: really serious about this. I've said I love you, and 358 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: you're like, okay. So here's the thing. My husband and 359 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: I aren't getting a divorce economically, so that becomes problematic. 360 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: It puts a wall up at some point, we can 361 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: only go so far. We have a glass ceiling in 362 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 1: our relationship. 363 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:45,239 Speaker 2: Now I agree with you. I think there's you're going 364 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 2: to reach a certain point where it's okay, well, like 365 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 2: am I your emergency contact right? And you start to 366 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 2: feel a little weird. It starts to feel a little painful. 367 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,679 Speaker 2: You don't want your new partner to feel hurt by it, 368 00:17:57,960 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 2: And I do think it would get to that point. 369 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,120 Speaker 2: I mean, actually now I'm remembering, and I kind of forgot. 370 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,719 Speaker 2: I didn't. I wasn't when I was getting a divorce. 371 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 2: We just like weren't too stressed about the paperwork. So 372 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 2: there were a couple months there, I mean several months 373 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 2: we were completely fully separated, but we just hadn't like 374 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 2: signed the documents. Yeah, And it was nothing other than 375 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:25,679 Speaker 2: just we were totally peacefully separated and broken up. But 376 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:28,679 Speaker 2: I don't know. It's a document. That is what's a 377 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:30,360 Speaker 2: little silly about marriage. At the end of the day. 378 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 2: Sometimes the vows matter to me, the commitment matters to me, 379 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 2: But then there's that piece of paper where it's like 380 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 2: which is the same as you know, you probably sign 381 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:40,120 Speaker 2: more to buy a house than you do to get married. 382 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 2: It's way more. 383 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:44,400 Speaker 1: But when you get unmarried divorced, that's when you got 384 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: to then go back and try and unwint everything. You 385 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 1: brought up something interesting with the Deblasia thing about sharing 386 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,679 Speaker 1: a house, and this is something I found when. 387 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 2: This was interesting to me. If they're living together still 388 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 2: in data, that's it. 389 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: When I was going through my divorce figuring out what 390 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: I was going to do with the kids, it was 391 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:06,120 Speaker 1: brought up to me by I think a therapist had mentioned, well, 392 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: are you going to have the kids go back and forth? 393 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: Or are you guys going back and forth? I said, 394 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: I don't understand. She said, well, what a lot of 395 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: parents are doing is the mom and the dad will 396 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: have another place to live, but they the kids will 397 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 1: stay at the central home, the home that you've had 398 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: the parents come in and out. 399 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 2: So you got to have three places of residence amongst 400 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 2: the two or three, you had to have three in 401 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 2: that case, or the mom and dad switch places and 402 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 2: they go to their other apartment or house or wait 403 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 2: and they alternate sharing the same house. So you would 404 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 2: go back seat of two houses, one where the kids 405 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 2: there or three, yes, and then mom and dad would 406 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 2: take turns being in the second house if they're only there, 407 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 2: so the. 408 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: Kids keep their bedroom, they stay. Everything's normal. I think 409 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,199 Speaker 1: that is. And look if it's working for you, and 410 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: I know there's people doing that, and maybe look reach 411 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: out to us and our messages and comments below. If 412 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:57,159 Speaker 1: you are doing this, I would find it fascinating to 413 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 1: talk to somebody of how this works. 414 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 2: If you have an money to do three residents is 415 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 2: I think that sounds great. The kids can stay stable, 416 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 2: they don't have to pack their bags every week. But 417 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 2: if you only have the money to have too, let's 418 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:10,919 Speaker 2: think about this. The kids are at one house and 419 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 2: then mom and dad take turns in the other house. 420 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:16,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're going because you really are taking turns 421 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: back and you're like, do they wash the sheet? Different bedrooms? 422 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: We need at least a two bedroom in the other. 423 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 2: House help in the drawer. There their toothpaste. That's a 424 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:25,360 Speaker 2: little dark. 425 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:27,679 Speaker 1: It would be dark, but it happens. And it was 426 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: something that was brought up to me, and we didn't 427 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 1: do that. We did the shared fifty to fifty. But 428 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: I just found it how healthy you need that relationship 429 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 1: to be to pull that off, and so to blase 430 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: you at the end of the day was an example 431 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 1: of how divorce is being done right. 432 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 2: And I love that it's evolving. I do think we 433 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 2: as a society are evolving more and judging less and 434 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 2: being more open to Like, to me, the health of 435 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 2: the family and everybody being in a happy place is 436 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 2: what's most important, right, So how do you get there? 437 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 2: And again, build bridges, don't burn them. It doesn't have 438 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 2: to be a messy split. I do think the dating 439 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 2: if you were still living with your ex would be hard, 440 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 2: And as I sit here thinking about it now, I'm 441 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 2: really thinking, like, say, when you and I had started dating, 442 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 2: you were still married, I think that would have actually, 443 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 2: as progressive as I'm trying to sound, I think it 444 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 2: would have been like a little bit of a red 445 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 2: flag to me in the beginning, actually, because you'd been 446 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 2: married so long, like, maybe tell me if I'm Wrongry. 447 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 1: Are you that line? Are you still? Who is really over? 448 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 2: That's what I would have to wonder, because I think 449 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 2: if someone had only been married a couple of years 450 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 2: and they were like, we split up, it didn't work out. 451 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 2: But if it was this long marriage and there were 452 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,640 Speaker 2: still kids involved, I would wonder, Okay, but but why 453 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 2: haven't you got divorced? Are there still feelings there? And 454 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:45,439 Speaker 2: that would scare me. 455 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: Divorces are evolving, some are dissolving, some just will not 456 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: move forward. Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie, they have been 457 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: getting divorced for over seven years now. 458 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 2: I got to tell you I'm judging them at this 459 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 2: point because the latest is a filing that's come to light. 460 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:18,439 Speaker 2: Where was it? Her side called him a petulant child. 461 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 1: It's about Chateau Mervol the vas by the way, and 462 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,880 Speaker 1: so they bought this together in two thousand and eight, 463 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: and her people are saying that he has been engaged 464 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: in a vindictive campaign to dominate and loot the wine 465 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 1: business that the couple had built and owned together. And 466 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 1: as Lauren just said, Pitt, this is her side speaking. 467 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: Pitt has acted like a petulant child, refusing to treat Nouvelle, 468 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,959 Speaker 1: which is Jolie's camp, as an equal partner in the business. 469 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: So this is just a you know what, measuring contest 470 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 1: between the two of them. 471 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 2: This is a he said, She said, mud slinging. I 472 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 2: don't even as someone who you know. And it's hard 473 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 2: for celebrities because we're hearing about all this news in 474 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 2: the public and then you know, people will say, are 475 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 2: you team Brad or team Angelina? And eventually you become 476 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 2: team No. One because so much he said, she said, 477 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 2: and I don't know what the truth is. 478 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 1: I get it over over for you. 479 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 2: Imagine the millions. 480 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: I said the same thing. I was thinking the same 481 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: thing on lawyers. I wrote down here legal fees. What 482 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 1: are the legal fees? And how I wonder how in 483 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,959 Speaker 1: touch Angelina and Brad are. I know they have so 484 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: many people in their camp, if they have any idea 485 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 1: how much they've spent or at this point are they 486 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: so bitter? Which is so funny because it's so anti 487 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: mister and missus Smith. When they hooked up in the 488 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 1: first place, which was just this raw. 489 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,479 Speaker 2: Chemistry. Watch that man, which by the way, I remember 490 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 2: he was with Jennit No if if. 491 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: You're Jennifer Aniston, I still can't watch that film because 492 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:53,479 Speaker 1: you just I mean it is. 493 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 2: And I still feel bad for her because her life 494 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 2: since they split has been like very much defined through 495 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 2: no choice of her by this split. But regardless, we 496 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 2: can't get into all this but. 497 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,880 Speaker 1: The legal fees, and I just how toxic this has 498 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: to be. 499 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 2: Knowing some of the look in Hollywood. It's a very 500 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 2: small group of attorneys who do major divorces, Like you 501 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 2: know the names that are thrown around. Laura Wasser's a 502 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 2: big one. They represent you know the Kardashians or Jennifer Garner, 503 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 2: you know Angelina Juliet's. There's just a few attorneys. I 504 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 2: know how much those attorneys cost. You do too, Yeah, Yes, 505 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,880 Speaker 2: I knew someone who went through a divorce, a split 506 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,360 Speaker 2: situation that was only like two years, and I think 507 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 2: something like five million dollars or more in legal fees 508 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,399 Speaker 2: were spent. There is so much money and one piece 509 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 2: of advice I think you and I both give to 510 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 2: anybody who's getting divorced, whether their kids are involved or not. 511 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 2: But I was just telling this to a friend of 512 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 2: mine the other day who's getting divorced. If you can 513 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 2: avoid using attorneys, avoid it because all you are doing 514 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 2: is spending money that could be going to your life 515 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,360 Speaker 2: or more importantly to your kids one day. 516 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: Try and do it yourself if you can, before you 517 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:11,400 Speaker 1: go into mediation. Go to mediation to legally. You can 518 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: do that without lawyers. You could each have a lawyer 519 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 1: on the side, but if you can do it without, 520 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,919 Speaker 1: it is a very inexpensive way. And the thing is 521 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: how many people know the economics in their house and 522 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 1: know the accounting of what's actually there. That's where it 523 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 1: gets sticky. But this Brad and Angelina thing, please please 524 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:34,640 Speaker 1: let it go. Another divorce. That's actually it's very peaceful, 525 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,199 Speaker 1: very amicable, but it brought something else. And look, we 526 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 1: believe in marriage for all. Here at the most dramatic 527 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 1: podcast ever, Billy Porter and Adam Smith divorces for everybody 528 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 1: as well. After six years they have gotten a divorce. 529 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 2: Well, I think what you liked about the headline was 530 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 2: the spin which the headline was after more than half 531 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 2: a decade together, so we were like six years six years. 532 00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, they really made it seem like they've been together 533 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: for quite some time. But I don't know Billy Porter. 534 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: I don't know Adam Smith, but what I took from 535 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,360 Speaker 1: it was this, And when I was reading about them, 536 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 1: I didn't know anything about their relationship. They met No. Nine, 537 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: they dated for a year, they broke up. Five years 538 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,239 Speaker 1: later they ran it back again. Oh interesting, Then they 539 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: got married, like six months later, they got engaged and 540 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 1: then got married. So what struck me in this whole 541 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: thing was running it back. 542 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:30,439 Speaker 2: There, the unicorn relationship that you always say is almost 543 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 2: impossible to find that they got back together and it worked. 544 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 1: Did it? 545 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 2: Oh? 546 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: Well, I mean that's that's that was my point of Look, 547 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: six years is a very successful run, I guess, and 548 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 1: this has been very very clean in the press and 549 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: amicable and all that stuff. I just took it as 550 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: very interesting of does it ever work when you go 551 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: back and you know they met, they obviously had some chemistry, 552 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:53,879 Speaker 1: but then they parted ways for a reason. 553 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 2: Oh so you're really you're actually proving your point. 554 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 1: They parted ways for a reason, then they got back together. 555 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 1: Was that because it was comfortable, It's something they knew. 556 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,640 Speaker 1: And then they got married, and then you realize there 557 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 1: was a reason we weren't together in the first world. 558 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 2: Oh, gosh, you've proven it yourself right again. I can't 559 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 2: argue with that. 560 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: Billy Porter proved it for us. 561 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 2: I have interviewed him on carpets many times, and he 562 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 2: has always got that one of the most charismatic theatrical 563 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,160 Speaker 2: interviews I've ever done. Like he delivers in an interview, 564 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 2: he is interesting things to say. He makes it fun. 565 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 2: I just always looked forward to interviewing him so much 566 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,160 Speaker 2: interesting we now that I think about it, I don't 567 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 2: think I ever interviewed him with his husband. He was 568 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 2: usually solo on carpet. 569 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,680 Speaker 1: They did appear, you know, they appeared on several carpets 570 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 1: together and did some appearances. They weren't crazy out in 571 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 1: the public eye, but they were from time to time. 572 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 2: All right, Well, now that we've brought up some headlines 573 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 2: and almost given different examples for our hypotheses here in 574 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,640 Speaker 2: this research paper of a podcast on whether we will 575 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 2: still be getting married, I want to go to a 576 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 2: couple of the questions that our wonderful producer Kendall posed 577 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,160 Speaker 2: for us. She sent us a down of the headlines 578 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 2: to go over, and at the top she kind of 579 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 2: posed some questions, Kendall, I think you might be playing 580 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 2: therapist here. One of them that she gave us was, well, 581 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 2: c H and LZ, you have both gone through a divorce. 582 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,159 Speaker 2: Why is it important to the two of you to 583 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:22,120 Speaker 2: get married again? Okay, I'll tell I'll go first, because actually, 584 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 2: something you said on the podcast, on another podcast episode 585 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 2: very much affected me and really made me think about it. Well, 586 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,679 Speaker 2: I think I I just felt like it was so 587 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 2: natural for us like to get married. It really wasn't 588 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 2: a question. I think we both knew for a couple 589 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 2: of years this is the person and that was great. 590 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 2: But that being said, what's the difference between just naturally 591 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 2: progressing versus really finding marriage meaningful? And actually, it was 592 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 2: an episode of the podcast where you said, well, I 593 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 2: wanted to make those vows to you and it is 594 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 2: religious to me on some level. That totally stuck with 595 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 2: me and changed my mind and I realized, oh, kind 596 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 2: of for the first time, I really want to I 597 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 2: don't care where we get married, when, how whatever, but 598 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 2: the most important thing, and it's part of me maturing 599 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 2: is making those vows. And it really hit me. So 600 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 2: you made that difference for me. 601 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: I love to kind of add on and piggyback on 602 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: what you're saying. What I loved about our relationship is 603 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: that it was completely organic and it did just grow 604 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 1: on its own, and it got to places where we 605 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 1: met at the same time with the same thought of 606 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 1: let's be public about our relationship, let's tell everybody we're dating, 607 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: and then we kind of got to this point in 608 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: our relationship, at least I did, where I don't want 609 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: to just call her my girlfriend or my partner. I'm 610 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 1: not cool enough for life partner, so it just felt 611 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 1: like I wanted to take that next step. So what 612 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: I loved is that I felt like our love grew 613 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: not out of necessity, because it wasn't about having kids, 614 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 1: it wasn't about anything financial. It was just love and 615 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 1: it was just this amazing friendship and this love affair 616 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 1: that grew. And that's what I've enjoyed the most is 617 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: that you kind of no strings attached. I guess, for 618 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 1: lack of a more romantic term of we only do things. 619 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 1: I have only done things because I want to. 620 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 2: Like, it didn't feel like, oh, I should be getting 621 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 2: married now because I'm in a page, or oh it's 622 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 2: time to have kids. 623 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: I'm fifty one, now I should get married, you know, 624 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 1: I did that, and I had had children, and you 625 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 1: know we both have been down that aisle before, so 626 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,479 Speaker 1: it just it allowed us to breathe and allowed our 627 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 1: relationship to just find its way. And then yeah, when 628 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 1: it becomes important to me to take that step, and 629 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 1: you mentioned all the way back to the kids of 630 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 1: I want them to see. I want our love to 631 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 1: be a shining example. It doesn't mean it's perfect, it 632 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 1: doesn't even guarantee that it works, but it means that 633 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 1: much to us now. 634 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 2: Kendall also asked, well, do you think a marriage can last? 635 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 2: Can it last thirty or more years? 636 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 1: No? 637 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 2: Oh, my gosh, no, I think of course. And that 638 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 2: is an important positive thing to note here. As much 639 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 2: as celebrity breakups make headlines because people love drama, we 640 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 2: all do, but I look at the people in our life, 641 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 2: our friends, for example. We know so many couples who've 642 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 2: been together for decades, and one of my favorite things 643 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 2: to see with our friends is that there's still affection there. 644 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 2: We know couples who've been together so long and they 645 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 2: still hold hands, or we see them kiss each other 646 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 2: and do sweet things for each other and still are 647 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 2: dating and still are affectionate and obsessed with each other 648 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 2: in that way, and I think it's important for your 649 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 2: relationship to surround yourself with couples who set that example to. 650 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 1: You were the same the people around you. I totally 651 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 1: believe in that. 652 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 2: And they're celebrity couples. We still believe in. Tom Hanks 653 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 2: and Rita Wilson, still going strong, still speaking highly of 654 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 2: each other, Oprah and Stedman, Nicole and Nicole and keithy Oh, 655 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 2: they're so cute together. 656 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, they are on a red carpet. They are. They 657 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 1: have that chemistry in that matter. 658 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 2: By the way, you know, there have been some Bachelor 659 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 2: couple divorces, but like gosh, Sean and Catherine, I mean, 660 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 2: still the gold standard out there, Adam. 661 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 1: And Raven and Tristan Ryan, and there are many many 662 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 1: Bachelor what Ari and Lauren, Ashley and Jared. Yeah, Ashley, 663 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 1: I mean talk about the great comeback story of all time, 664 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: someone who manifested love. 665 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 2: Okay, wait, did they run it back? No, they just 666 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 2: took forever to find it and. 667 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 1: She was running the whole time. It just she was 668 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 1: running it down. I think. By the way, I still 669 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 1: I have not booked this yet, but Ashley and Jared 670 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 1: are going to be on the show soon, if not 671 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 1: at least Ashley, I really want to sit down and 672 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 1: talk to her. I adore her, having spent just much 673 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 1: more time with her lately. But yes, I'm still ninety 674 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 1: nine point nine percent sure we're getting married. 675 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 2: Oh good, Yeah, I'm like ninety nine point one. 676 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:20,479 Speaker 1: I'll take it. I'll take it. That's good enough. And look, 677 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 1: the reason we wanted to do this was not a 678 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 1: show about divorce. It's really a show about love. This 679 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 1: show is always about love, and it's not It wasn't 680 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 1: about trying to dig up some old, you know, tabloid stories. 681 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 1: It was how can we gain some perspective and relate 682 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 1: to all these because we all do you know these? 683 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: It happened to me. You end up on a magazine 684 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 1: with a rip down the page, you know, the proverbial 685 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 1: rip between you and your partner. I say, you haven't 686 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 1: lived in Hollywood until you have the breakup photo on 687 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,479 Speaker 1: one of the magazines. And that's what people know you for. 688 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 1: It's what they see, and it's just these are real 689 00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 1: human beings going through real stuff, and it's Kelly Clarkson 690 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 1: trying to make sure her kids still feel loved and 691 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 1: learn about love and it's doing things the right way 692 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 1: if you can. And so hopefully you've taken a little 693 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 1: something away from today and I appreciate you being here. 694 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 1: As always. All the love in the world to each 695 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 1: and every one of you, especially my beautiful fiance Elzi, 696 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 1: who I really want to marry more than ever. We'll 697 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:20,919 Speaker 1: talk to you next time. 698 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:22,840 Speaker 2: Don't make me cry, I'm emotional, I'm. 699 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 1: Tired because we have a lot more to talk about. 700 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,359 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. Follow us on Instagram at the most 701 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 1: dramatic pod ever and make sure to write us a 702 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 1: review and leave us five stars. I'll talk to you 703 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: next time.