Speaker 1: I'm the Duval and this is Conversations with the Podcast.
Speaker 1: Today's guest is a master well being, educator, a healer,
Speaker 1: a storyteller, author and host a deeply well podcast. Let's
Speaker 1: welcome my good friend Debbie Brown live on with you. Boy,
Speaker 1: oh little thall, I want to introduce a special guests.
Speaker 1: And I'm not like Envy just say special guests, just
Speaker 1: to say it, I said, because this woman is really
Speaker 1: special to me, my friend, you know, my I guess
Speaker 1: what else can I call you? My? Uh? What? What's what?
Speaker 1: What is your title now as far as in the
Speaker 1: realm of the earth, what is your type the earth? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know how to use those things?
Speaker 1: What is your type of that? I don't know what
Speaker 1: you call you?
Speaker 2: Well, my Instagram bio and my website bio says master
Speaker 2: while being educator and multidisciplinary healer.
Speaker 1: So that's that's what she is to me. God damn it,
Speaker 1: that's what she is to me. And I'm not just
Speaker 1: saying that because she read is to me because she
Speaker 1: helped me at a time where I was fucked up,
Speaker 1: you know I was. I'm gonna let her introduce herself
Speaker 1: a little more because she could tell you more about
Speaker 1: who she is more than I am. Let me introduce
Speaker 1: Dave Brown, Debbie Brown.
Speaker 2: Hello, what's up? You look so good? How are you?
Speaker 1: I'm chilling man, you see you know, you know I am.
Speaker 1: I'm blessed. You know, I'm blessed as a mother for
Speaker 1: I appreciate you coming over here. It's it's crazy that
Speaker 1: I met you on my show, on my show, because
Speaker 1: I really can trying to get on your show because
Speaker 1: I want you to interview me. You know, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't feel like I could interview you like that
Speaker 1: because shiit, I need you more than you need me,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But first to tell them
Speaker 1: who you are with and what you've been doing in
Speaker 1: the game and how you evolved into who you are now.
Speaker 2: Oh or we ain't got that much time. Well, we
Speaker 2: originally meant like back back, back, back, back in the day,
Speaker 2: and I'll never forget the moment I met you, like
Speaker 2: I will never ever ever forget it. Twitter had just
Speaker 2: started and at the time, I was working in broadcasting,
Speaker 2: so I used to work in hip hop and entertainment
Speaker 2: and radio, TV, all that kind of stuff, And I
Speaker 2: was doing that in La at the time, and I remember,
Speaker 2: like Charlemagne would come up to LA from time to time,
Speaker 2: both of our brother and you came up to the
Speaker 2: radio station with him, and we were all going to
Speaker 2: go to a party together or something. And I remember
Speaker 2: I had I mean, I had seen you on TV
Speaker 2: and I heard so many things about you, and you
Speaker 2: came up there and you were just like Twitter had
Speaker 2: just started. And I remember you sat at my desk
Speaker 2: and you were like, watch this, and you opened up
Speaker 2: your Twitter and literally like every millisecond it kept refreshing
Speaker 2: and it was like thousands and thousands and thousands before
Speaker 2: tweeting you, I was like, what the hell is going on?
Speaker 2: What is this? I'll never forget what I think I
Speaker 2: had just got on. But it like you at the
Speaker 2: beginning Twitter, like it was like big if you had
Speaker 2: one hundred followers, like that was.
Speaker 1: So early that was there at that time. Yeah, Like
Speaker 1: I'll never forget. One time I was in DC and
Speaker 1: I was at this party with J Cole's. It was Wallet,
Speaker 1: it was a couple other people that I don't remember everybody,
Speaker 1: but we was all there and this when Twitter was big,
Speaker 1: and this when I realized so much power. I just
Speaker 1: tweeted one thing as soon as I pressed seeing everybody
Speaker 1: in the club looked down at their phone, and that's
Speaker 1: when I was like, Yo, this is way too much power.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It was a louder and
Speaker 1: that's when I realized. I was like, oh, this is
Speaker 1: the world now, this was almost this had to be
Speaker 1: almost fourteen fourteen years ago, you know it, say it again.
Speaker 2: I think it was like two thousand and eight.
Speaker 1: Damn, that's a long time. And so I would know
Speaker 1: you for almost almost we almost ever dubbed that.
Speaker 2: I know, but I'm so much younger than you, but
Speaker 2: we are like we have known each other a long time.
Speaker 1: Hey, I like being old, though I enjoined being old
Speaker 1: because I've always seen myself as the old person, you know,
Speaker 1: Like I just didn't think getting being old was going
Speaker 1: to become this quick, like this shit wow.
Speaker 2: Yo, like so fast. And I feel like the pandemic
Speaker 2: sped it up because I feel I feel.
Speaker 1: Like the world lookers. I feel like everything that happened
Speaker 1: in the pandemic, I already seen it coming. But it's
Speaker 1: just like it's sped up the rest of work because
Speaker 1: nothing changed. And just let let us know that we
Speaker 1: already had a lot of this technology sitting there because
Speaker 1: all this didn't been here. The stuff we using right now,
Speaker 1: this shit been here. It's just we didn't think about
Speaker 1: using it till we had no choice, and now we
Speaker 1: can't get off this ship.
Speaker 2: Yo. It's honestly like, I feel like there needs to
Speaker 2: be a class action lost to it at some point,
Speaker 2: because it's like we didn't know what it was doing
Speaker 2: to our brains when we all signed up, right like
Speaker 2: now you knew, like you knew your neural pathways were
Speaker 2: about to get, you know, harder.
Speaker 1: I kind of understood, like I said, when I did that,
Speaker 1: like little stuff like that, when I tweeted in the
Speaker 1: club and saw everybody, I understood the power feel understood.
Speaker 1: Like if it's in the wrong hands, like it can
Speaker 1: really be finessing the wrong ways on people. Because it's
Speaker 1: like reading. When you read something, you reading it in
Speaker 1: your brain, so you in your mind you're thinking you
Speaker 1: really know what you're talking about. And that's the same
Speaker 1: thing with social media. So if you read something, you
Speaker 1: really thinking that you learning, but you're really learning maybe
Speaker 1: learning wrong, you know, So so that's the algorithm.
Speaker 2: Will feed anything that's really inside of you. It's like
Speaker 2: there's this old, this really beautiful old quote and wisdom traditions,
Speaker 2: which is like, you know, you, you are the beast
Speaker 2: you choose to feed. You know, are you gonna feed
Speaker 2: your ego or are you gonna feed your soul? And
Speaker 2: I feel like that's how the algorithm on social works
Speaker 2: like it will just further amplify kind of the truth
Speaker 2: of the current version of who you are, like what
Speaker 2: you what you're really thinking about the way you see
Speaker 2: the world in yourself, and so you keep having it.
Speaker 1: That's why you have propercy. You have to jump in
Speaker 1: front of the programming, because because if you don't program it,
Speaker 1: you're gonna it's gonna program you. And so what I
Speaker 1: kind of do the little exercises I always did. I
Speaker 1: try to I try to follow a ship that I
Speaker 1: don't know shit about. You know what I'm saying. I did, Oh,
Speaker 1: I don't like certain ship, not because I don't think
Speaker 1: it's pleased, because I know if I like that, that's
Speaker 1: gonna bring all that shit over here, you see what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So I kind of look the dead when
Speaker 1: you understand what you're playing, when you kind of even
Speaker 1: though it's still gonna get your regardless, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, because sometimes you ever notice, sometimes you can,
Speaker 1: you know, you could think of some shit. Don't even
Speaker 1: say that shit pop up? It's powerful. So but you're
Speaker 1: the person to know how to detach way from it too, though,
Speaker 1: because you understand how to get away from it. So
Speaker 1: what are some of the exercise do you do to
Speaker 1: detach yourself from that type of shit? Man?
Speaker 2: You know what, I really started looking at it very seriously,
Speaker 2: especially when I became a mom, because you start to
Speaker 2: notice the mindless things that your body naturally does, and
Speaker 2: then your child kind of really observing that, like what
Speaker 2: is that? What are you doing? Or fighting for your attention?
Speaker 2: And you're like, you know, I think for me, I
Speaker 2: was just like, oh, my child doesn't need to fight
Speaker 2: for my attention. This isn't more important. But why do
Speaker 2: I feel such a connection or why is it the
Speaker 2: absent minded thing that I pick up? So I did
Speaker 2: a few things from my social media, Like a couple
Speaker 2: of years ago, I went on a big friend perge.
Speaker 2: I think I had to give very realistic about how
Speaker 2: much time I actually had, Like first and foremost, I
Speaker 2: want to be an excellent mother to my child, like
Speaker 2: he and I both deserve that, and that requires you
Speaker 2: to prioritize your life differently down like in the in
Speaker 2: the depths of the nuance of it, you know, and
Speaker 2: I think too, It's like I just feel so connected
Speaker 2: to the way I'm serving right now in my purpose
Speaker 2: that I don't I don't want to have other people's
Speaker 2: thoughts or ideas on my brain. Like I'm curious about
Speaker 2: the shit I'm curious about, and I have the brain
Speaker 2: and the ability and the heart to manifest any and
Speaker 2: all of it. So I don't want to be influenced
Speaker 2: or too consumed with like truly the smallest details of
Speaker 2: people's lives, like if I met you ten years ago
Speaker 2: and we haven't talked or lived in the same state,
Speaker 2: I don't need to know what you're reading. I don't
Speaker 2: need to know what you're eating, like God bless absolutely
Speaker 2: no beef fond from Afar. But like, our brains can
Speaker 2: only hold so much, and I'm here with work to do,
Speaker 2: and I have a lot of love to give and
Speaker 2: a lot of support I'd like to give in the
Speaker 2: ways that I'm able, And so I just had to
Speaker 2: be clear about what feeds me and what leaps my energy.
Speaker 2: So I did like a big friend fast, I kind
Speaker 2: of you know, I just looked out my life from
Speaker 2: like acquaintances to casual relationships to deep relationships, to relationships
Speaker 2: that are just rooted in nostalgia, and I thought, like,
Speaker 2: what are the ones that are really meaningful for me
Speaker 2: to feed and pay attention to right now? I'd rather
Speaker 2: give less more of me than spread myself on a
Speaker 2: surface level for everybody. So I did like a mass
Speaker 2: unfollow and then I just over two years slowly started
Speaker 2: following people back, like I follow a handful of people,
Speaker 2: and it's just people that I really think about and
Speaker 2: that you know, I want to be more actively engaged
Speaker 2: or work stuff. And then I pretty much put everybody
Speaker 2: on mute, no disrespect, but like I just want to
Speaker 2: post some time, and I don't want to get caught
Speaker 2: there looking at stories and all that stuff and liking
Speaker 2: all this stuff. So I put people on mute, and
Speaker 2: then I go check on people from time to time.
Speaker 2: And then I actually have a lock box at my house.
Speaker 2: It's this pretty cool like mindfulness tool that someone sent me,
Speaker 2: and it's a box that has a timer on it.
Speaker 2: It's called like mindful box. I think. I hope I'm
Speaker 2: getting that right because I really do like it. And
Speaker 2: usually at the end of my workday, like I'll shut
Speaker 2: it down around four and then I want to give
Speaker 2: my son time until it's bedtime, so I'll put it
Speaker 2: in the box. I'll set the alarm for three four hours,
Speaker 2: and then that keeps my hands off it. So that's
Speaker 2: what I'm working with right now, and it's made it better.
Speaker 1: You know what I've worked on. I think I found
Speaker 1: piece where I think you really at piece where you
Speaker 1: can be in the world around these crazy motherfuckers and
Speaker 1: try and try to make a difference. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like because to me, I can cut off
Speaker 1: a lot of people, but I don't really I don't
Speaker 1: it would it would defeat my purpose on what I
Speaker 1: think I should be here for. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like I really don't need social media, but I think
Speaker 1: the world needs me for social media. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's like the balance of it. So it's
Speaker 1: like I have to be able to be strong enough
Speaker 1: to go like if I showed y'all, Like me and
Speaker 1: Charlamagne talk about this all the time when our social media,
Speaker 1: a lot of people couldn't handle a lot of shit
Speaker 1: that I dies, and I wouldn't even like when I
Speaker 1: see people fold on there, I don't even feel I mean,
Speaker 1: I understand why they fold, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't fold off of because I understand.
Speaker 1: I know how to separate, so I've always been able
Speaker 1: to test it to because I guess I started before
Speaker 1: before the social media, so I can I understand what
Speaker 1: it is, but I can understand how I can break
Speaker 1: especially a woman down. Like if you what they just
Speaker 1: have to be you might be talk all day long,
Speaker 1: but that one day it just fucks you up, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So I can understand it. But
Speaker 1: for me, I just feel like I just have to
Speaker 1: God damn like I have to. Like I'm a people's person.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm here for the people, so I
Speaker 1: have to be in tuned with them because I feel
Speaker 1: like I've already got enough to where God has made
Speaker 1: it to where I can handle all the bullshit things
Speaker 1: that can fuck up my blurb, and he put people
Speaker 1: around me enough, like people like you or Dolly or
Speaker 1: people like that to balance it out, to keep me safe.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I mean, you have a medicine that you are meant
Speaker 2: to give the masses. So like for you especially, that's important.
Speaker 2: It's why God built within your purpose the ability to entertain,
Speaker 2: to bring joy, to bring truth to like have you
Speaker 2: know the type of stage presence that you have and
Speaker 2: the creativity you have, like you're meant to display those
Speaker 2: things as the way that you give your wisdom and
Speaker 2: your medicine.
Speaker 1: He was one of the people when I got in
Speaker 1: my accident that I had got messed up. I was
Speaker 1: messed up one night. I didn't take no medicine. I
Speaker 1: was trying to be tough and not take no medicine
Speaker 1: and all that. And then and then I called you.
Speaker 1: I ain't called you one day, you missed the call.
Speaker 1: Then you called me back right at the right time
Speaker 1: and set there and breathed me through the whole thing.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have made it do that night without you
Speaker 1: doing the breathing. What is the breathing patterns? You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So I want to thank you for
Speaker 1: doing that for me because I couldn't have made it
Speaker 1: through that night. And what is that you was doing?
Speaker 1: Because I don't know. I was just following your league.
Speaker 1: What what what do you call that? What you do?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, first, like I'm just so grateful for your life,
Speaker 2: like praise God, thank you God, Thank you God, Thank
Speaker 2: you God, thank you God. Like you have done just
Speaker 2: such a powerful job of wearing your testimony the way
Speaker 2: that you have. But like what you went through was
Speaker 2: so hard and so challenging. So like one just like
Speaker 2: bless yeah, bless, bless.
Speaker 1: I'm blessed. But it made me see there's a lot
Speaker 1: of people that cake that couldn't do this, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying that that's one thing about being in
Speaker 1: that wheelchair. You start looking at the world is not
Speaker 1: built for people that's handicapped, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like I couldn't imagine, like I knew I was gonna
Speaker 1: be able to eventually get back up. But it made
Speaker 1: me even though I always had a had a saft
Speaker 1: spot for people that was handicapp because I always show
Speaker 1: love to them on social media. I even had a
Speaker 1: couple of the most stage with me when I did
Speaker 1: host the Hip Hop Awards. I do all always show
Speaker 1: love to that. But when you sit in that chair,
Speaker 1: it's a totally different game, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: because you see how and it really the world don't
Speaker 1: make time for them to care about the person that's handicapped,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So for me, it made
Speaker 1: me even when I see people now handyicap, it just
Speaker 1: makes me even see how strong they are because you
Speaker 1: got to be mentally strong. Yeah, even that a couple
Speaker 1: months I was in that wheelchair. You have to be
Speaker 1: mentally strong every day, like damn, I got it. I'm
Speaker 1: really in this gap damn wheelchair because I couldn't even
Speaker 1: use my arms or nothing. You know, So it just
Speaker 1: makes you realize how. But it made me too. I
Speaker 1: was I was strong, but fain. Like I said, I
Speaker 1: have people around me like y'all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know. I remember, like I remember that
Speaker 2: day you called me, and it was so wild because
Speaker 2: we're so you know, I'm based in La so we're
Speaker 2: always kind of usually on opposite time zones. And I
Speaker 2: was driving in the car and I remember I looked
Speaker 2: down and it said miss FaceTime from Little Dumal and
Speaker 2: it was like, I don't remember what time it was
Speaker 2: for me. I think it was like kind of early
Speaker 2: morning for me. And I looked and just like instantly,
Speaker 2: I was like this at weight. So I literally was
Speaker 2: driving on the freeway when I called you, and I
Speaker 2: drove to the shoulder of I think I was on
Speaker 2: the one O one freeway in LA and I just
Speaker 2: sat at the shoulder at like it was like rush
Speaker 2: hour traffic. All these cars were filled next to me,
Speaker 2: and I was just like okay, and I pulled over
Speaker 2: and I facetimed you back and you were you were
Speaker 2: on the gurney and you were coming out of surgery
Speaker 2: like you were literally like you were you still had
Speaker 2: I might not have the right terminology for this, but
Speaker 2: you still had your anesthesia on yea, And so you
Speaker 2: were coming out of anesthesia, and I remember you were
Speaker 2: just telling me that you were in pain and I
Speaker 2: and I just, you know, the first thing, I was
Speaker 2: just like, Okay, take a deep breath. And so we
Speaker 2: ended up doing some breath work exercise and some distance reiki, and.
Speaker 1: That's what he was reky. I did. Thank the name
Speaker 1: of it. I don't know the terminology is yet. I
Speaker 1: just that's some job there for y'all. Help me with
Speaker 1: that shit. But yeah, and I from people that's dumb.
Speaker 2: Like me, there's no dumb but this is I think
Speaker 2: one of the easiest ways to express it for everyone
Speaker 2: is but I definitely encourage people to spend some time
Speaker 2: on Google or go on my page to kind of
Speaker 2: get a deeper look at it. Uh. But reiki is
Speaker 2: working with our human energy system and our spiritual energy
Speaker 2: to send healing to another person, and so this I'm
Speaker 2: a master level at reiki in a few different lineages,
Speaker 2: So Suey, Holy Fire, and Corona Reiki are systems that
Speaker 2: I work with, and I believe that this energy is
Speaker 2: channeled from source and it can really provide a lot
Speaker 2: of support and comfort to people when they are in pain,
Speaker 2: when they're in crisis. If you spend time looking it up,
Speaker 2: if this resonates, there's a lot deeper you could go
Speaker 2: with this, But I think on a basic level, it's
Speaker 2: important to understand that as human beings, we emit energy,
Speaker 2: point blank period, scientifically proven. We have what is called
Speaker 2: an orc field, which can extend in front of us
Speaker 2: from like six to ten feet, and so you'll notice
Speaker 2: people that you're really magnetized towards they typically like some
Speaker 2: of those big figures like yourself, like Charlemagne, you think
Speaker 2: of like an Oprah. They have this natural energy and
Speaker 2: presence that pulls you to them. So in this field
Speaker 2: of thought, you would know that you hold a big
Speaker 2: energy field, that you have a lot of light within you,
Speaker 2: that you make good choices and integrity that add to
Speaker 2: the beneficial life that you have. And you'll notice sometimes
Speaker 2: when you maybe walk by someone on the street and
Speaker 2: you're just like, oh, they got a bad energy. You
Speaker 2: don't really know why you haven't engaged, but you know
Speaker 2: that that's something that you may not want to get
Speaker 2: close to. It would be seen as maybe they have
Speaker 2: a lot smaller of an energetic field, and they might
Speaker 2: have a lot of negative influences or negative behavior themselves.
Speaker 2: So that was that was I think an easy way
Speaker 2: to express what the energy system that I was working
Speaker 2: with was. But you could also look at it as
Speaker 2: kind of in Christian thought like laying hands, sending light,
Speaker 2: you know, sending prayer out. And so that's that's what
Speaker 2: we did, And and we did some breathwork sequences to
Speaker 2: just kind of calm your nervous system, bring you back
Speaker 2: into your body, hopefully bring like as soothing relaxed states
Speaker 2: so you could get some sleep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wish see was they t was supposed to
Speaker 1: come out to the Bahamas at my spot. She still
Speaker 1: ain't made there yet. For all y'all that don't know, let.
Speaker 2: Me tell y'all about let me tell y'all about Duvall.
Speaker 2: This is how me and Duvall role.
Speaker 3: We will like text about something and we'll be like, yes,
Speaker 3: let's do it, let's do it, and then we'll disappear
Speaker 3: and then randomly you'll FaceTime me one morning or I'll
Speaker 3: FaceTime you one night, and.
Speaker 2: We'll be like, yeah, we need to do this. We
Speaker 2: got okay, so here's what we're gonna do, and then
Speaker 2: life takes over. Happen. You invited me to the Bahamas,
Speaker 2: so we.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we both gym and us so we know understand,
Speaker 1: you know. So I know, I know you're gonna come
Speaker 1: eventually whenever, whenever the the the ship of Lines or whatever.
Speaker 1: But I feel like if we both out that we
Speaker 1: can and I gotta do your show too, you know,
Speaker 1: But I want you to tell me. I want you
Speaker 1: to talk to me like my show is about therapy
Speaker 1: for when people want to talk. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: If they if they got questions, they can come to up,
Speaker 1: So if you got questions, I'm not off to you.
Speaker 1: I'm like we like we like Bro and sus So
Speaker 1: if you want to come to Bros. I'm way older
Speaker 1: than you, way way old.
Speaker 2: Way old day, such a young little thing.
Speaker 1: You know what.
Speaker 2: I have a question for you because I feel like
Speaker 2: I feel really grateful that our relationship has endured over
Speaker 2: this length of time because it's allowed me to get
Speaker 2: to know you in so many different kind of ways.
Speaker 2: And I think that, like I just have such an
Speaker 2: appreciation for your wisdom and for the way that you
Speaker 2: share like bigger concepts that people could really benefit from
Speaker 2: hearing and knowing about. And I guess, like my question
Speaker 2: for you because something like you have been out in
Speaker 2: the world for a really long time, like you have
Speaker 2: been talking the way that you talk, doing the things
Speaker 2: that you do, you know, before social media, through social media.
Speaker 2: Now that you mentioned that, like, well, age has hit,
Speaker 2: like you're older, you're unc What have you noticed about
Speaker 2: the way people receive your wisdom? Because you've always been wise.
Speaker 2: What has changed in the way that you're able to
Speaker 2: give wisdom and the way people around you were able
Speaker 2: to receive it from you? Because it's not like you're
Speaker 2: saying new things now, but you got a little song pepper.
Speaker 2: You look elegant, like.
Speaker 1: Just programmed to hear from older people. I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: program because like people always say like yeah, you say
Speaker 1: it because you're just like no, you you couldn't think
Speaker 1: like this unless you was already thinking like this. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like this don't happen like when
Speaker 1: you get old, you just get wet. Wise, you program
Speaker 1: yourself like this, Like everything I am not, I made
Speaker 1: a conscious effort to program myself to be like this
Speaker 1: if it's something that I feel like, like say face
Speaker 1: is on Twitter. I didn't realize how much I couldn't.
Speaker 1: I couldn't fail until I got on Twitter. So it
Speaker 1: took me time to see that and program myself like
Speaker 1: fix it. Like when somebody says, boy, you spelt that
Speaker 1: she's wrong as fuck, I have to reprogram myself to
Speaker 1: fix it. So over time I had to. I had
Speaker 1: to fix it. So everything in life I just over time.
Speaker 1: I had to program myself to be the person I
Speaker 1: am like I'm not. I just I'm just simple too,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I keep saying simple and
Speaker 1: being simple got me this far. I've never I've been
Speaker 1: blessed my whole life. A lot of it ain't me
Speaker 1: because I ain't the smartest motherfucker on earth. I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm just simple and I'm blessed and I'm on the
Speaker 1: good side of the universe. I ain't. I ain't. It
Speaker 1: ain't me. It ain't me, you know. I just know.
Speaker 1: I know I'm the vessel, and I know that he
Speaker 1: used me, like I said, even when I when I
Speaker 1: like when I was staying with early times of Twitter,
Speaker 1: when I saw it, I was like, Yo, this is
Speaker 1: crazy power that and it was scary, but it was
Speaker 1: just like it was what it was, but I understood
Speaker 1: what it was not. I feel like to this day,
Speaker 1: I'm proud of how I used it because I used
Speaker 1: it more for other people than I did for me,
Speaker 1: whether they see it or not. But I got way
Speaker 1: less out of it than they and everybody else. I
Speaker 1: feel like I put out for everybody else.
Speaker 2: I have another question, how do you talk to God?
Speaker 1: Sh I just talked to him through I talked to
Speaker 1: him through my actions on how I treat people. I
Speaker 1: feel like if your actions telling you your relationship with God,
Speaker 1: that's a good tweet. You know, but and that's how.
Speaker 2: Let me tweet that first, let me get some.
Speaker 1: You can use it. But I feel like and that's
Speaker 1: and that's my and that's how I feel like I
Speaker 1: I communicate with God to how I treat people or
Speaker 1: HW try to treat people, you know, And that's how
Speaker 1: I feel like everybody should should show how they treat
Speaker 1: That is so beautiful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I so agree. That is so how I.
Speaker 1: You make you make you feel like, give me that
Speaker 1: is so beautiful. Like I'm really not trying to be
Speaker 1: like that for really just but.
Speaker 2: You don't have to try. Let me just receive you,
Speaker 2: you know what I you know what I really want
Speaker 2: for black men, for all men.
Speaker 1: What's that?
Speaker 2: It's just the ability to let in things that are
Speaker 2: true about you, you know, to not deflect from receiving
Speaker 2: like a softer or a more grateful attention. Like I
Speaker 2: feel like a lot of men don't know what to
Speaker 2: always do with that energy. A lot of people in general.
Speaker 1: I think I'm definitely like that. I'm I'm to to
Speaker 1: hearing bullshit about me, and when I hear rear shit
Speaker 1: and it just sounds crazy to me, Like it's like,
Speaker 1: what like if somebody give me a compliment, I'd be
Speaker 1: I don't even know how to respond to it. I'd
Speaker 1: be like, oh, thank you. You know, I don't know
Speaker 1: how to I probably don't know how to receive compliments.
Speaker 2: You know, what I think a lot of people don't
Speaker 2: realize is like when you cut off receiving something like that,
Speaker 2: like you cut it off for both parties, because the
Speaker 2: person trying to share it with you, you're giving them like
Speaker 2: such a dismissal or like even a rejection of them
Speaker 2: trying to speak truth into you about what they see
Speaker 2: and feel. And then on your end, you don't let
Speaker 2: in the good stuff about yourself. And I think all
Speaker 2: of us should really benefit from being in practice of
Speaker 2: like looking at each other and telling each other the
Speaker 2: truth about each other, and like letting ourselves receive it,
Speaker 2: like letting ourselves receive good news and good words and kindness.
Speaker 1: I do, and and unestly that accident risk is it
Speaker 1: showed because I didn't. I think I do it as
Speaker 1: a way, as a defense mechanism and not rely on it,
Speaker 1: like because I know you can't rely on love like that,
Speaker 1: not for humans. So so in my mind, I've always
Speaker 1: programmed myself to where I know there's love there, but
Speaker 1: I don't rely on it, And this accident reminded me
Speaker 1: that I really get love about it, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Like I never I never relied on it
Speaker 1: because especially entertainment, because they're not gonna love you forever
Speaker 1: you live by the genie, you're gonna die about the moves.
Speaker 1: So I've always prepared myself, like even living on the
Speaker 1: island and shit like that. It makes it to where
Speaker 1: when when all this shit that I am, I'm still
Speaker 1: cool without it, you know what I'm saying. But like
Speaker 1: I say, the accident showed me, like now people really
Speaker 1: love you, you know what I'm saying, Like like I
Speaker 1: always knew I have my fans loving me and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. They're my mom or my family. But when
Speaker 1: you see like the industry love you like that, y'all
Speaker 1: gave a fuck about me, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So it's stuff like that be reassurance. Maybe that was
Speaker 1: God showing me like not even up with the still
Speaker 1: fuck with you like that, you know. So I don't
Speaker 1: rely on the love like that. I rely on Look,
Speaker 1: I feel like I get all love that's supposed to
Speaker 1: get you know, what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: It doesn't have to be about relying on it, right
Speaker 2: because you're solid, like you're a sovereign being, you don't
Speaker 2: need validation. But it's like when you live a good life,
Speaker 2: you do deserve to hear about it, you know. It's
Speaker 2: like we do. You put up with a lot being alive,
Speaker 2: and especially if you're alive and you're.
Speaker 1: I don't feel like we do though. Yeah, I feel
Speaker 1: like I feel like life is so simple, like.
Speaker 2: Life is hard, life is harrd.
Speaker 1: Well, I see it. It's hard for people that can
Speaker 1: that that's that's like physically fucked up. It's hard for them.
Speaker 1: But for me, I don't feel like shit hard for me,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like it ain't it ain't been.
Speaker 1: I can't really complain for real for everything that, That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So it's like I can't really life
Speaker 1: is hard like I've seen, like I say, people that's
Speaker 1: really fucked up handicap, can't move and can't like and
Speaker 1: even them, they don't feel like it's hard, you see
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So some inside, you know, like.
Speaker 1: Sometimes life is hard because we put we put a
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of things that we want, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, and then and then we get
Speaker 1: let down a lot. But it's really it's really expectations.
Speaker 1: But it's really simple as fuck. If you look at
Speaker 1: any other living creature, it's not trucking.
Speaker 2: We are, yeah, I mean, yeah, it's the it's the
Speaker 2: divine dance of humanity. I feel like it's always like
Speaker 2: a comedy and a tragedy because people go through real.
Speaker 1: Shit all comedy. It's all comedy. Damn all this shit.
Speaker 1: If you ain't laughing at like, you missing the whole point,
Speaker 1: because this shit is hilarious, you know. And that's how
Speaker 1: I look at everything. I mean, we all go through
Speaker 1: share and we as human as we emotional, you know what,
Speaker 1: We're gonna be naturally emotional, and and we're gonna cry,
Speaker 1: We're gonna do all that. But at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, it is what it is. You know, people
Speaker 1: gonna come, they gonna go. That's why we don't take
Speaker 1: nobody we love for granted, because you never know, you know, shit,
Speaker 1: I learned that a lot this year because people dropping
Speaker 1: like flies around me, you know. But it's life, you know,
Speaker 1: everything I'm going through, it ain't nothing ain't nobody else
Speaker 1: gonna go through We all gonna go through this. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna see you going, You're gonna see me go, you
Speaker 1: know or it is what it is. But until then
Speaker 1: we don't live. We gonna live. Joy's motherfucker.
Speaker 2: I got one more question.
Speaker 1: What's that?
Speaker 2: What did you learn about love this year? And outside
Speaker 2: of the love that you were receiving? Like, what what
Speaker 2: changed in the way that you give love and receive
Speaker 2: love this year?
Speaker 1: Honestly nothing because I already had it. Like I said, it,
Speaker 1: don't it, don't flip in as it was programmed in me.
Speaker 2: Sound like on social media, I saw you like saying
Speaker 2: some really beautiful things about your lady and just like
Speaker 2: being I don't know, it seemed like you.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've always did that. I've always showed love,
Speaker 1: and it's just maybe the algorithm that they let you
Speaker 1: catch the other ones. But I mean, I feel like
Speaker 1: I always show love. Is just sometimes you don't catch it.
Speaker 1: On social media is hard to catch you. But my
Speaker 1: life shows that I show because even with women in
Speaker 1: my real life, shit, they all love me, don't. I
Speaker 1: don't know too many women that don't like me, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying so shit like I mean, all
Speaker 1: of you ain't gonna get to mean to say nothing
Speaker 1: bad about me. And the only reason I use women
Speaker 1: because they can pretty much tell real you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Niggas a lot, but women there is like nah, niggas,
Speaker 1: you can't, especially Black women. Black women ain't with the bullshit,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like I can't and you
Speaker 1: can't be in the game this long and and not
Speaker 1: something not come out, you know what I'm saying, or something. Yeah, yeah, So,
Speaker 1: like I said, I don't really trip off the people
Speaker 1: that don't know miss the people that do know me.
Speaker 1: So if the people that do know me, if they
Speaker 1: if they don't see nothing bad about me, I ain't
Speaker 1: you know, everything else anything. Let me think, is there
Speaker 1: anything else we could talk about? Because I feel like
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like everything we do is
Speaker 1: just energy, you know what I'm saying, Like we I
Speaker 1: wish we was like together and we vibe and like,
Speaker 1: oh my eyes, we.
Speaker 2: Need it, like just we gotta be on your island.
Speaker 2: We need just the most abundant, blunt and like the
Speaker 2: waves and then just have like a conversation as we
Speaker 2: flow with nature.
Speaker 1: That's how it's supposed to go.
Speaker 2: We should do.
Speaker 1: Anyway give me the ways too much to me.
Speaker 2: We should do a smoker's podcast about spirituality. That would
Speaker 2: be so fun.
Speaker 1: I would. I'm with it. But like I said, even
Speaker 1: with spirituality, it's spiritual. It's not so much conversation. It's
Speaker 1: just spiritual. But in the world of podcasts, I guess
Speaker 1: you gotta compensate.
Speaker 2: And that funny that you talk for a living. In
Speaker 2: a large respect, I talked for a living, But I
Speaker 2: love silence and I want to.
Speaker 1: Make because you understand, that's really what it is like.
Speaker 1: We all the spiritual means, we all just organically. Just
Speaker 1: if you took our mouths off, we'll still be connected,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Where with the mouth you
Speaker 1: could talk all day and never be connected. Oh that
Speaker 1: was hard. That was hard. That was deep.
Speaker 2: That was that was that was some scripture. That was deep.
Speaker 3: That was hard.
Speaker 2: I went to this little part of Italy called Colia
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago, and it was super for
Speaker 2: the places I've been in, but it's spelled p U
Speaker 2: g l I, a beautiful exquisite. It's right on the
Speaker 2: like Ionian Sea, the Adriatic see beautiful, beautiful, beautiful, but
Speaker 2: like remote, Like it was so like I thought I
Speaker 2: was in the twelfth century and I was just like
Speaker 2: it was crazy. But while I was there, it was
Speaker 2: a kind of silence I hadn't heard before. I don't
Speaker 2: know if that's gonna make sense, but it's like, no,
Speaker 2: it was so rich, Like the silence felt like it
Speaker 2: had nutrients in it, Like it was just such a
Speaker 2: rich silence. I'm just like, I can't stop creaving that.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's like at nighttime in my backyard, like
Speaker 1: it's pitch black. It feels like you're really out of
Speaker 1: space because the only thing you can see is stars
Speaker 1: and everything. It just opens your mind up and just
Speaker 1: realize how detest we are from nature, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like we really fucking detect away from nature
Speaker 1: like that, even through the healing process, I was crowned
Speaker 1: in like a motherfucker. That shit works too, Like all
Speaker 1: these sit like grounded just taking walking in the grass
Speaker 1: and healing in the ocean like I did physical pimpy
Speaker 1: in the goddamn ocean. All that shit matters.
Speaker 2: Wow, wow, Wow.
Speaker 1: All that shit matters.
Speaker 4: It matters so much it's like and it's just wild
Speaker 4: because not that we need it, but it's like there
Speaker 4: is scientific proof well, things like shealing gardens, and just
Speaker 4: how important it is if you're healing emotionally or physically,
Speaker 4: to see green plants, to see colorful living things.
Speaker 2: You know, if we need it, we need it, We're
Speaker 2: wired for it.
Speaker 1: I wonder how long I'm gonna live.
Speaker 2: What do you think?
Speaker 1: I don't know, because like I feel like I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be here forever, but I know that ain't reality. I
Speaker 1: really do feel like it's just like I won't even
Speaker 1: see me dying, even like when I was laying there,
Speaker 1: like I didn't realize I was dying till they told
Speaker 1: me a thing. But i't think I was gonna die.
Speaker 1: But that shit hurt, but it didn't feel like I
Speaker 1: was gonna die. But it's just like I know, like
Speaker 1: it's just like I was supposed to be here a little.
Speaker 1: That's how I know I'm gonna be an old motherfucker.
Speaker 1: But this shit coming back, motherfucker.
Speaker 2: I want to be an elder. I want to be
Speaker 2: like a glorious elder. I want to have like my
Speaker 2: white hair just dripping. I want to like God I
Speaker 2: want to sit around a fire and talk to the
Speaker 2: kids and like, I just want to see how so
Speaker 2: much of this is going to turn out.
Speaker 1: I think I tell the people there all the time.
Speaker 1: I just want to see how this shit go just
Speaker 1: I just want to see how humans just developing and
Speaker 1: evolve into whatever they do, because any little thinking shift
Speaker 1: shit Turst left and I just just think about how
Speaker 1: twenty twenty just shifted everything so quick, and I knew
Speaker 1: it was gonna do it, but it's just entertaining just
Speaker 1: to see how people just shift. I can't wait. I
Speaker 1: can't fucking wait. Well, I appreciate you Dave coming on us, Joe.
Speaker 1: You know, like I say, we just only are talking
Speaker 1: and vibe. And I want my podcast just to be
Speaker 1: like just talk conversation, simple conversation, and hopefully it gets
Speaker 1: something out of it because podcast has been been getting
Speaker 1: a bad stigma, so I think it's time to bring
Speaker 1: it back to what it's supposed to be about.
Speaker 2: Mmm. I love you, I love you.
Speaker 1: I love you too. Da Well, I appreciate you y'all.
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