WEBVTT - JFK's Forgotten Summer in Journalism

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<v Speaker 1>On April twenty seventh, nineteen sixty one, John F. Kennedy's

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<v Speaker 1>plane touched down at LaGuardia Airport. It was his first

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<v Speaker 1>visit to New York since becoming president. He stepped off

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<v Speaker 1>the aircraft and slid into a black limousine, which whisked

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<v Speaker 1>him to his suite at the Carlisle on Madison Avenue.

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<v Speaker 1>Hours later, a police motorcade accompanied Kennedy south to the

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<v Speaker 1>Waldorf Astoria. Outside the hotel, more than three thousand people

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<v Speaker 1>jammed Park Avenue to greet the new leader of the

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<v Speaker 1>Free world. It was Press Week in New York, an

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<v Speaker 1>annual gathering of more than twelve hundred editors, publishers, and

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<v Speaker 1>newspaper executives. President Kennedy had come to the Waldorf that

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<v Speaker 1>evening to address the American Newspaper Publishers Association. His appearance

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<v Speaker 1>was especially newsworthy. One week earlier, US backed forces had

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<v Speaker 1>flown the white flag in Cuba. The Bay of Pigs

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<v Speaker 1>invasion may have failed to topple the communist government of

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<v Speaker 1>Fidel Castro, but it did succeed in escalating the Cold War,

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<v Speaker 1>a major foreign policy blunder. Just months into Kennedy's term,

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<v Speaker 1>Dressed in white tie, Kennedy approached the lectern in the

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<v Speaker 1>Waldorf's dazzling Grand ballroom. His speech was titled The President

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<v Speaker 1>and the Press.

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<v Speaker 2>Some may suggest that this would be more naturally worded

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<v Speaker 2>the President versus the Press, but those are not my

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<v Speaker 2>sentiments tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>Instead, Kennedy said he had a more sober topic to discuss.

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<v Speaker 2>But I do ask every publisher, every editor, and every

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<v Speaker 2>newsman in the nation to re examine his own standards

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<v Speaker 2>and to recognize the nature of our country's peril.

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<v Speaker 3>In time of war.

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<v Speaker 2>The government and the press have customarily joined in an effort,

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<v Speaker 2>based largely on self discipline, to prevent unauthorized disclosures to

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<v Speaker 2>the enemy. In times of clear and present danger. The

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<v Speaker 2>courts have held that even the privileged rights of the

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<v Speaker 2>First Amendment must yield to the public's need for national security.

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<v Speaker 1>These were perilous times, as evidenced by the situation in Cuba.

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<v Speaker 1>War hadn't been declared, but Kennedy wanted the press to

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<v Speaker 1>act as if it had. He claimed America's enemies had

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<v Speaker 1>learned about covert preparations from simply reading the newspapers that

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<v Speaker 1>they'd been able to glean quote the size, the strength,

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<v Speaker 1>the location, and the nature of our forces and weapons,

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<v Speaker 1>and our plans and strategy for their use. He said

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<v Speaker 1>that in at least one instance, details about a secret

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<v Speaker 1>satellite mechanism had been published.

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<v Speaker 2>The newspapers which printed these stories were loyal, patriotic, responsible,

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<v Speaker 2>and well meaning. Had we been engaged in open warfare,

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<v Speaker 2>the undoubtedly would not have published such items. But in

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<v Speaker 2>the absence of open warfare, they recognized only the tests

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<v Speaker 2>of journalism and not the tests of national security. And

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<v Speaker 2>my question, deny it is whether additional tests should not

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<v Speaker 2>now be adopted. That question is for you alone to answer.

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<v Speaker 2>No public official should answer it for you. No governmental

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<v Speaker 2>plan should impose its restraints against Joe Will. But I

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<v Speaker 2>would be failing in my duty to the nation, in

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<v Speaker 2>considering all of the responsibilities that we now bail and

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<v Speaker 2>all of the means at hand to meet those responsibilities,

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<v Speaker 2>if I did not command this problem to your attention

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<v Speaker 2>and urge its thoughtful consideration.

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<v Speaker 1>Kennedy ended his address by affirming his respect and admiration

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<v Speaker 1>for the Fourth Estate. He said he shared journalism's obligation

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<v Speaker 1>to inform the American people, to give them the facts

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<v Speaker 1>to spark debate He wasn't asking those in attendance to

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<v Speaker 1>support his administration. He understood their watchdog rule. He not

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<v Speaker 1>only accepted the accountability of newspapers, he welcomed it.

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<v Speaker 2>And so it is to the printing press, to the

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<v Speaker 2>recorder of man's deeds, the keeper of his conscience, the

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<v Speaker 2>courier of his news, that we look for strength and assistance,

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<v Speaker 2>confident that with your help, man will be what he

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<v Speaker 2>was born to be, free and independent.

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<v Speaker 1>The next day, Kennedy's remarks were front page headlines. The

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<v Speaker 1>New York Times declared, President urges press limit news that

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<v Speaker 1>helps reds. But there was something the Times story didn't mention.

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<v Speaker 1>Kennedy wasn't just speaking to America's journalists as their president.

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<v Speaker 1>He was speaking as someone who, at least for three

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<v Speaker 1>months in nineteen forty five, had been one of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Even if you were well versed in other aspects of

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<v Speaker 1>JFK's microscopically scrutinized life, you could be forgiven if you

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<v Speaker 1>were less familiar with this one, That is, if you

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<v Speaker 1>are familiar with it at all.

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<v Speaker 4>I was sixteen and JFK was assassinated.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Rob Reiner, the famous director Spinal Tap. Rob Reiner,

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<v Speaker 1>Princess Bride, Rob Reiner, A few good men, Rob Reiner,

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<v Speaker 1>and in the podcast space Who Killed JFK. Reiner His

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty three show spent several weeks atop the Apple

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<v Speaker 1>Top podcast charts.

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<v Speaker 4>I had written a paper in high school about the

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<v Speaker 4>Cuban missile crisis, so I was focused on him as

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<v Speaker 4>a president. I knew, obviously a little bit about him

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<v Speaker 4>as a senator. I knew about PT One nine, and

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<v Speaker 4>we all knew about his heroics during the Second World War.

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<v Speaker 1>But even Rob Reiner wasn't dialed in on this chapter

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<v Speaker 1>of JFK's story.

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<v Speaker 4>As far as him being a journalist, I didn't really

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<v Speaker 4>know very much about that, and I'm hearing about it

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<v Speaker 4>essentially for the first time here.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a brief and relatively under the radar period

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<v Speaker 1>in JFK's life. At the same time, it had a

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<v Speaker 1>lasting impact on one of the most iconic presidents in

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<v Speaker 1>American history. Welcome to very special episodes and Iheart's original podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm your host Danish Schwartz, and this is JFK Is

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<v Speaker 1>Forgotten Summer in Journalism.

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<v Speaker 5>Welcome back to very special episodes. I'm Jason English. She

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<v Speaker 5>is Danish Schwartz. He is Aaron Burnett, And on this

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<v Speaker 5>podcast we tell one great story each week, and I'm

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<v Speaker 5>going to start here.

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<v Speaker 6>I love a good prequel.

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<v Speaker 5>Better call Saul Wicked the Muppet Babies. Just give me

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<v Speaker 5>the back story.

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<v Speaker 1>The Muppet Babies. Did you see Solo? That's the real

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<v Speaker 1>test of whether you like a prequel.

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<v Speaker 6>I did see that one, and that is a real test.

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<v Speaker 5>So on the topic of presidential jobs by Osmosis, we've

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<v Speaker 5>heard these stories over the years. Barack Obama worked at

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<v Speaker 5>Baskin Robbins and Ron Reagan, Joe Biden, they were lifeguards.

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<v Speaker 5>Grover Cleveland was a hangman. I don't know if you

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<v Speaker 5>guys knew that. He's carried out at least two executions.

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<v Speaker 1>Did not know Grover Cleveland.

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<v Speaker 5>The Grover Cleveland. Richard Nixon got to get him in here.

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<v Speaker 5>He worked at the Family gas station, naturally, and LBJ

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<v Speaker 5>owned the Muzak distribution rights. He was in the radio

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<v Speaker 5>business with his wife and they owned Muzak rights and in.

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<v Speaker 6>The Austin area.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't think any of those stories are going to

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<v Speaker 5>be worthy of very special episodes.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, the hangman one sounds kind of interesting.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, Hangman and Musach are both interesting angles.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a little dark. I'm talking about the muzak one.

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<v Speaker 5>But jfk is a journalist.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I love it because I actually started as a journalist.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it's right.

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<v Speaker 1>It is my prequel. Jason knew me when.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm looking forward to your presidential run as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'll be the one to set things right.

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<v Speaker 6>He already got my vote though.

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<v Speaker 1>For John Fitzgerald Kennedy, the seeds of service were planted

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<v Speaker 1>at a young age.

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<v Speaker 7>It's often said that he was born into a rich family.

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<v Speaker 7>That's not exactly true.

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<v Speaker 1>Fred Logoval is one of Kennedy's by biographers.

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<v Speaker 7>His father, Joe Sr. Became extraordinarily wealthy. Let's say the

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<v Speaker 7>first ten years of Jack's life is really when he

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<v Speaker 7>makes his fortune. You know what's notable about this family,

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<v Speaker 7>of course, is that he and his wife Rose instill

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<v Speaker 7>in their children, all of them, really, this idea that

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<v Speaker 7>they need to think beyond themselves, They need to give

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<v Speaker 7>something back, They need to commit themselves at least a

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<v Speaker 7>little bit to public service. And I think that's something

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<v Speaker 7>that Jack takes in.

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<v Speaker 1>After graduating from Harvard in nineteen forty, Jack had his

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<v Speaker 1>eye on law school. His plans changed when the United States'

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<v Speaker 1>entry into World War Two seemed inevitable. Jack and his

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<v Speaker 1>older brother, Joseph Kennedy Junior, enlisted in the US Naval Reserve.

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<v Speaker 7>Both brothers want to serve in the war. They both

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<v Speaker 7>want to see combat, which is an interesting decision on

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<v Speaker 7>their port beca as you say, they could have avoided this,

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<v Speaker 7>but they both serve and of course get into harm's

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<v Speaker 7>way before too long. And in Jack's case, that becomes

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<v Speaker 7>as a commander of a pet boat.

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<v Speaker 1>PT boats were small, fast, and heavily armed. Jack's was

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<v Speaker 1>the eighty foot PT one oh nine, part of a

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<v Speaker 1>fleet in the Pacific theater. As US forces battled the Japanese,

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty six year old lieutenant commanded his vessel through

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<v Speaker 1>the waters of the Solomon Islands. In terms of combat assignments,

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<v Speaker 1>it didn't get much riskier. At the same time, the

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<v Speaker 1>mission suited Jack. He had practically grown up on the

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<v Speaker 1>sea during summers at the Kennedy Compound, sailing Nantucket Sound

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<v Speaker 1>off the coast of Hyanna's Port. Still, no amount of

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<v Speaker 1>nautical expertise could have prepared him for the danger he

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<v Speaker 1>would face in the wei hours of August second, nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>forty three.

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<v Speaker 7>It was a moonless night. They're in the Beckett Straight

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<v Speaker 7>in the Solomons. PT boats are patrolling looking for Japanese vessels.

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<v Speaker 7>Some of the PT boats had radar. Lieutenant Kennedy's did

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<v Speaker 7>not have radar, which really limited what he was able

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<v Speaker 7>to perceive on this very dark night. And what happens

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<v Speaker 7>is he does not see that a Japanese destroyer is

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<v Speaker 7>bearing down on them.

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<v Speaker 1>The Japanese warship slammed into Jack's boat, slicing it in half.

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<v Speaker 1>The PT one nine didn't stand a chance. That might

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<v Speaker 1>have been the end of John F. Kennedy right then

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<v Speaker 1>and there. No Congress, no Jack ee O, no White House,

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<v Speaker 1>no Bay of Pigs, no Cuban missile crisis, no Lee

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<v Speaker 1>Harvey Oswald, no JFK airports.

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<v Speaker 4>These are the events that change history. He knew what

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<v Speaker 4>war was. I mean, obviously Eisenhower did. But here was

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<v Speaker 4>a man who really was in the midst of the

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<v Speaker 4>horrors of war.

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<v Speaker 1>Miraculously, Jack survived, so did most of his crew. They

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<v Speaker 1>could see a small island in the distance. Now all

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<v Speaker 1>they had to do was swim to safety. Jack had

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<v Speaker 1>as good a chance of making it as any. A

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<v Speaker 1>few years earlier, he'd competed on the Harvard swim team.

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<v Speaker 1>He just hadn't ever trained for a long distance swim

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<v Speaker 1>through shark infested enemy waters with a wounded comrade in tow.

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<v Speaker 7>He drags this injured member of his crew for these

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<v Speaker 7>three and a half four hours, so he has to

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<v Speaker 7>not just swim for himself, but for his comrade. And

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<v Speaker 7>they make it to this island, and then they have

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<v Speaker 7>to figure out what to do from there. The whole

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<v Speaker 7>time there's the possibility, of course, that Japanese will spot them. Ultimately,

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<v Speaker 7>they are restored.

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<v Speaker 1>On August twentieth, a front page New York Times headline

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<v Speaker 1>claimed Kennedy's son is hero in Pacific. In his book JFK.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming of Age in the American Century, Fred Logowl describes

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<v Speaker 1>the episode as a pivotal moment.

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<v Speaker 7>His World War two experience, and especially his experience in

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<v Speaker 7>the Pacific, has a very important effect on young Jack Kennedy.

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<v Speaker 7>I think it boosts his belief that he belongs, that

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<v Speaker 7>he can make decisions, that he can be a leader.

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<v Speaker 7>So it's a real shot in terms of his self

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<v Speaker 7>confidence and his self belief. I also think it shapes

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<v Speaker 7>his worldview, his belief that coming out of this war,

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<v Speaker 7>the United States needs to play a primary role in

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<v Speaker 7>world affairs. It affects how he sees the world, how

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<v Speaker 7>he sees the US role in that world. That, I think,

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<v Speaker 7>in a way will stay with him till the end

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<v Speaker 7>of his days.

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<v Speaker 1>One year after Jack's near death experience in the Pacific,

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<v Speaker 1>his older volunteered for a highly perilous operation. Joe Junior's

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<v Speaker 1>orders were to fly a plane packed with explosives towards

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<v Speaker 1>France and then jump out with the parachute. He didn't

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<v Speaker 1>make it.

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<v Speaker 7>It's what kind of suicide mission? Really? The plane will

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<v Speaker 7>continue well, it explodes before they can bail.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Junior's death was almost too much to bear for

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<v Speaker 1>his father, a former SEC chairman who'd served as the

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<v Speaker 1>US ambassador to the United Kingdom earlier in the war.

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<v Speaker 1>The Boston Globe reported quote from the time the family

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<v Speaker 1>received the Navy telegram, the ex ambassador has kept to

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<v Speaker 1>his room. His grief is deep. Joe Junior had been

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<v Speaker 1>the golden child and heir apparent of a proud political lineage.

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<v Speaker 1>From a young age, his father had been grooming him

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<v Speaker 1>for greatness. Now Joe's goal of becoming America's first Catholic

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<v Speaker 1>president had been cut tragically short.

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<v Speaker 4>You had Joe Kennedy, who always wanted the family to

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<v Speaker 4>be considered legitimate and to be accepted in the political world.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think Jack thought of himself for somebody who

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<v Speaker 4>was going to take up that mantle. I think he

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<v Speaker 4>always thought his older brother was going to be the one.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a devastating turn of events for the family.

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<v Speaker 1>It also had major implications for the Kennedy clan's second

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<v Speaker 1>oldest son, because the family's hopes and dreams didn't just

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<v Speaker 1>die with Joe Junior. Rather, they were transferred onto Jack.

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<v Speaker 1>Following his exploits in the Pacific, Jack sought treatment for

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<v Speaker 1>chronic back pain that had ailed him for years. He

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<v Speaker 1>ended up up having surgery, which officially put an end

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<v Speaker 1>to his military career. On March first, nineteen forty five,

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<v Speaker 1>Lieutenant Kennedy was honorably discharged, his future laid out before him.

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<v Speaker 1>Still mourning the death of his brother, Jack found himself

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<v Speaker 1>at a crossroads. He emerged from his Navy service a

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<v Speaker 1>household name, the torchbearer of his family's political ambitions. Politics

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<v Speaker 1>was in his blood. In addition, to the roles his

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<v Speaker 1>father had played in government. Jack's maternal grandfather had been

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<v Speaker 1>a mayor of Boston and a US congressman. His paternal

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<v Speaker 1>grandfather had been a state senator. Both of his great

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<v Speaker 1>uncles were state senators, and his father's first cousin was

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<v Speaker 1>once the mayor of Brockton, Massachusetts. But in that spring

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<v Speaker 1>of nineteen forty five, as the war entered its final inning,

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<v Speaker 1>Jack had a lot to consider.

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<v Speaker 7>He could go to law school, which he has flirted with,

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<v Speaker 7>not because he has a particular interest in the law,

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<v Speaker 7>but because it's a career step for somebody who doesn't

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<v Speaker 7>maybe quite know what they want to do. He's interested

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<v Speaker 7>in journalism, and I think he is thinking about politics.

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<v Speaker 1>Jack was already an accomplished writer. Senior year at Harvard,

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<v Speaker 1>he wrote a thesis exploring British appeasement in the run

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<v Speaker 1>up to World War Two. Joe Senior encouraged his son

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<v Speaker 1>to publish it. To make the work commercially viable, they

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<v Speaker 1>enlisted Joe's friend Arthur Kroc, the Pulitzer Prize winning Washington

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<v Speaker 1>correspondent for The New York Times. In his memoirs, Kroc

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<v Speaker 1>would write of Jack's thesis quote, it was remarkable for

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<v Speaker 1>the fine perception of the fundamental problems of a peace

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<v Speaker 1>loving democracy threatened with dictatorial regimes. Kroc helped Jack turn

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<v Speaker 1>the thesis into a book called Why England Slept, with

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<v Speaker 1>a forward from Henry Luce, the founder of Time magazine.

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<v Speaker 1>It became a best seller, and the book's thesis persuaded

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<v Speaker 1>Krock that Jack was quote suited to a career in journalism.

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<v Speaker 1>Five years later, as Jack wade career options, Joe Senior

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<v Speaker 1>got in touch with his old pal William Randolph Hurst.

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<v Speaker 7>He had known. Joe Senior had known Hurst from his

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<v Speaker 7>days as a Hollywood mogul in the nineteen twenties. Late

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<v Speaker 7>nineteen twenties, Joe Kennedy became a serious player in Hollywood,

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<v Speaker 7>made a good deal of money in Hollywood. Got to

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<v Speaker 7>know Hurst at that point, partly through Mariam Davies, and

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<v Speaker 7>in the nineteen thirties, Joe Kennedy convinced Hurst to back

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<v Speaker 7>Fdr for reelection in nineteen thirty six. So they have

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<v Speaker 7>these connections.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Senior helped Jack get a gig as a syndicated

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<v Speaker 1>special correspondent for the Hearst Newspapers, which included the San

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<v Speaker 1>Francisco Examiner, the Chicago Herald American, and the New York

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<v Speaker 1>Journal American. The idea was that Jack would cover the

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<v Speaker 1>unfolding post war order from a quote serviceman's point of view.

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<v Speaker 1>Hearst got to splash his papers with the byline of

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<v Speaker 1>best selling author John F. Kennedy, identified at the top

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<v Speaker 1>of each article as a quote. Recently retired p boat

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<v Speaker 1>hero and son of former Ambassador Joseph P. Kennedy, Jack

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<v Speaker 1>got to test the journalistic waters while elevating his profile

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<v Speaker 1>in a way that could prove advantageous to a future

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<v Speaker 1>in politics. His first assignment was a banger. At the

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<v Speaker 1>end of April nineteen forty five, Hurst sent him to

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<v Speaker 1>San Francisco to cover the founding Conference of the United Nations.

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<v Speaker 1>Jack suddenly found himself at the the center of international policymaking,

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<v Speaker 1>breathing the same air as illustrious statesman.

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<v Speaker 8>Delegates representing forty six nations came to San Francisco on

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<v Speaker 8>April twenty fifth, nineteen forty five, representing almost two thousand

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<v Speaker 8>million people, more than eighty percent of humanity, all at war.

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<v Speaker 8>When the conference was begun. They came with hope born

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<v Speaker 8>of common struggle.

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<v Speaker 1>If you were a cub reporter like Jack Kennedy, this

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<v Speaker 1>was the place to be. Kennedy joined twelve hundred accredited

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<v Speaker 1>journalists from established scribes like James Rustin, Walter Lippman, and

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<v Speaker 1>the Kennedy's friend Arthur Krock, two gossips like Walter Winschell,

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<v Speaker 1>Earl Wilson, and Peta Hopper. Describing the media spectacle, Life

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<v Speaker 1>Magazine observed a quote like Pilgrim's drawn to Mecca. The

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<v Speaker 1>nation's newspapermen flocked to San Francisco. They were all there,

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<v Speaker 1>the whys and the witless, the sober and the silly,

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<v Speaker 1>the pundits, pontificators, and performing seals. The goal of the

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<v Speaker 1>conference was to create a template for global diplomacy in

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<v Speaker 1>the interest of preventing future wars. In his first dispatch

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<v Speaker 1>on April twenty eighth, Kennedy warned readers not to get

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<v Speaker 1>their hopes up.

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<v Speaker 9>There is an impression that this is the conference to

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<v Speaker 9>end wars and introduce peace on Earth and goodwill toward nations, excluding,

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<v Speaker 9>of course, Germany and Japan. Well, it's not going to

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<v Speaker 9>do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Kennedy's debut also included a man on the Street interview

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<v Speaker 1>with a decorated marine who told him quote, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know much about what's going on, but if they just

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<v Speaker 1>fix it so that we don't have to fight anymore,

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<v Speaker 1>they can count me in. Kennedy replied, me too, Sarge.

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<v Speaker 1>In the evenings, Kennedy swanned about San Francisco with the elite. Kroc,

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<v Speaker 1>writing in his memoirs years later, painted some memorable scenes

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<v Speaker 1>of the humble Hurst correspondent cutting in on a dance

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<v Speaker 1>with the British Foreign Secretary's wife on his bed at

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<v Speaker 1>the Palace Hotel, with a high ball in one hand

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<v Speaker 1>and a telephone receiver in the other.

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<v Speaker 9>Hello there, Yeah, I want to speak to the managing

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<v Speaker 9>editor of the Chicago Herald Examiner. Not in. We'll put

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<v Speaker 9>somebody on to take a message. Cook. Will you see

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<v Speaker 9>that the boss gets this message as soon as you

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<v Speaker 9>can reach him. Thank you. Here's the message. Kennedy will

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<v Speaker 9>not be filing tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>Tempting as it may have been, Kennedy wasn't there to party.

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<v Speaker 1>Over the course of a month, he wrote sixteen columns

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<v Speaker 1>at about three hundred words apiece, exactly the most grueling

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<v Speaker 1>journalistic assignment, but well worth the rate Hurst was paying

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<v Speaker 1>him seven hundred and fifty dollars, which is about thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>thousand today, Plus it was exciting work. Kennedy basically had

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<v Speaker 1>a front row seat to history, reporting on the birth

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<v Speaker 1>of the UN as the Allies declared victory in Europe.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, it's hard to overstate the symbolic importance of

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<v Speaker 7>the San Francisco Conference, Even if the sort of basics

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<v Speaker 7>of that world order have already been laid out at

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<v Speaker 7>prior conferences among the Allies, there's already a sense that

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<v Speaker 7>this is now going to be effectively a two power world.

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<v Speaker 7>The United States and the Soviet Union will be the

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<v Speaker 7>key players, and the young reporter Jack Kennedy, his stories

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<v Speaker 7>filed from San Francisco are so fascinating.

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<v Speaker 1>Kennedy's stories weren't exactly straight news, and his point of

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<v Speaker 1>view wasn't just that of a serviceman, but someone who

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<v Speaker 1>had his own ideas about world affairs.

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<v Speaker 9>May first, this conference from a distance may have appeared

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<v Speaker 9>so far like an international football game. Well, that part's

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<v Speaker 9>over and they are scheduled tomorrow to get at the

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<v Speaker 9>real work of the conference. This will consist of trying

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<v Speaker 9>to solve a number of more or less technical problems

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<v Speaker 9>upon how these dull problems are settled may depend our

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<v Speaker 9>peace in the upcoming years. May sixteenth, The Russians have

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<v Speaker 9>recognized our difficult position and have taken full advantage of it.

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<v Speaker 9>They have attempted to embarrass Us and the British at

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<v Speaker 9>every turn. May eighteenth, there is growing discouragement among people

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<v Speaker 9>concerning our chances of winning any lasting peace from this war.

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<v Speaker 9>There is talk of fighting the Russians in the next

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<v Speaker 9>ten or fifteen years. We have indeed gone a long

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<v Speaker 9>way since those hopeful days early in the war when

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<v Speaker 9>we talked of union. Now in one world there is

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<v Speaker 9>a fundamental distrust between Great Britain and the United States

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<v Speaker 9>on the one hand, and Russia on the other.

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<v Speaker 1>The growing distrust between Russia and the US was a

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<v Speaker 1>running theme of Kennedy's reportage.

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<v Speaker 7>Kennedy picks up on this. He's as quick as anybody else,

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<v Speaker 7>I would argue, at least in terms of the reporting

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<v Speaker 7>at the conference, to see how these two players were

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<v Speaker 7>going to be the most important players, number one and

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<v Speaker 7>number two, how they were destined to come into conflict.

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<v Speaker 7>There's a realism in his articles. These pieces stand up

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<v Speaker 7>pretty well. If one were to go back now and

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<v Speaker 7>read all of them. They're solid in the context of

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<v Speaker 7>their time. I would say they're even solid in terms

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<v Speaker 7>of what he saw, maybe at least to a degree

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<v Speaker 7>before others did, about this new world order.

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<v Speaker 1>The San Francisco Conference carried on until June twenty six,

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<v Speaker 1>when the assembled delegates signed the historic Charter of the

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<v Speaker 1>United Nations. By then, Kennedy was gone. Another story had beckoned,

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<v Speaker 1>this time across the ocean. Kennedy hadn't been to Europe

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<v Speaker 1>since nineteen thirty nine. He had visited Germany right before

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<v Speaker 1>the invasion of Poland, then he had traveled to London.

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<v Speaker 1>On September third, nineteen thirty nine, Kennedy observed Britain's declaration

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<v Speaker 1>of war in the House of Commons, where soon to

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<v Speaker 1>be Prime Minister Winston Churchill declared, we are fighting to

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<v Speaker 1>save the whole world from the pestilence of Nazi tyranny

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<v Speaker 1>and in defense of all that is most sacred to man.

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<v Speaker 1>Nearly six years later, the Allies had won that fight

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<v Speaker 1>and Churchill was up for reelection. The conventional wisdom held

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<v Speaker 1>that Churchill's wartime leadership would make him a shoe in,

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<v Speaker 1>but one journalist was and so sure In fact, this journalist,

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<v Speaker 1>a fresh faced correspondent for the Hearst Papers, had a

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<v Speaker 1>hunch that the Prime Minister's days were numbered. In June

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen forty five, Kennedy flew to London and checked into

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<v Speaker 1>a two room suite at the Grovenor House Hotel. It

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<v Speaker 1>was Jack's first international assignment, and he'd gotten business cards

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<v Speaker 1>with his Hearst affiliation, John Fitzgerald Kennedy International News Service.

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<v Speaker 1>A letter to the US Consul General from the manager

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<v Speaker 1>of the news service made it official. This is to

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<v Speaker 1>certify that mister John F. Kennedy is on special assignment

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<v Speaker 1>in Europe for Hearst Newspapers. The British elections were scheduled

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<v Speaker 1>for July fifth. Kennedy arrived just in time for the

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<v Speaker 1>frenzied home stretch of the campaigns.

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<v Speaker 7>He's fascinated by electoral politics in a democratic system. Again,

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<v Speaker 7>He's grown up experiencing this with his grandfather, Honey fitz

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<v Speaker 7>a legendary Boston politician. He has followed elections, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>as a student. Now he's seeing it up close, and

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<v Speaker 7>I think it absolutely inclines him more as much as

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<v Speaker 7>he's enjoying I think the reporting gig to seek out

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<v Speaker 7>political possibilities for himself.

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<v Speaker 1>Churchill seemed to have the upper hand. At least of

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<v Speaker 1>his high approval ratings were any indication. Speaking at a

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<v Speaker 1>campaign stop where thousands of cheering supporters lined the streets,

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<v Speaker 1>the Prime Minister said, this election is one of great

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<v Speaker 1>importance because it comes at a moment when the future

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<v Speaker 1>of our country is at stake. Around the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>Kennedy filed his latest story lines that appeared with the

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<v Speaker 1>article in various Hurst publications sounded ominous. Churchill's defeat possible

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<v Speaker 1>in new tide sweeping Europe. Labor rights may defeat Churchill,

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<v Speaker 1>says writer. Churchill may lose election. Here's Kennedy in his

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<v Speaker 1>own words.

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<v Speaker 9>This may come as a surprise to most Americans, who

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<v Speaker 9>feel Churchill is as indomitable at the polls as he

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<v Speaker 9>was in the war. However, Churchill is fighting a tide

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<v Speaker 9>that is surging through Europe, washing away monarchies and conservative

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<v Speaker 9>governments everywhere, and that tide flows powerfully in England. England

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<v Speaker 9>is moving towards some form of socialism. If not in

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<v Speaker 9>this election, then then surely at the next.

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<v Speaker 1>Kennedy's article turned out to be precient. On July twenty sixth,

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<v Speaker 1>after all the votes were finally counted, the Labor Party

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<v Speaker 1>beat Churchill's Conservative government in a landslide. Croc later said

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<v Speaker 1>that Kennedy's writings were quote the only intimation I got

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<v Speaker 1>from anyone that Churchill would be defeated.

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<v Speaker 7>Even in one or two of his pieces from San Francisco,

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<v Speaker 7>he suggests that the Conservatives are in some trouble, which

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<v Speaker 7>too many people seems absolutely crazy. Churchill in trouble politically,

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<v Speaker 7>how can that be? He's one of the great leaders

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<v Speaker 7>of the twentieth century. I think people already understood. Kennedy

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<v Speaker 7>even before he gets to London, says that this is

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<v Speaker 7>a possibility. What he then proceeds to do in the

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<v Speaker 7>weeks prior to the vote is to follow the campaign,

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<v Speaker 7>and he shows a reporter's nos for a good story.

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<v Speaker 1>On the heels of Churchill's defeat, Kennedy wrote.

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<v Speaker 9>England has been hit by some blockbusters in the last

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<v Speaker 9>five years, but none of them have a shoko like

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<v Speaker 9>today's election results. Explanations for the crushing defeat we're already forthcoming,

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<v Speaker 9>and they will be pouring in for the next few weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>It was one of his last dispatches from the United Kingdom,

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<v Speaker 1>but Kennedy still had a few more stops on his

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<v Speaker 1>tour as a correspondent for Hurst. From England, he traveled

0:31:17.640 --> 0:31:22.320
<v Speaker 1>to Paris and then on to Germany. That's where the US,

0:31:22.520 --> 0:31:25.720
<v Speaker 1>the Soviet Union, and Great Britain were hashing out a

0:31:25.760 --> 0:31:29.440
<v Speaker 1>plan for post war Europe at the Potsdam Conference. The

0:31:29.760 --> 0:31:33.680
<v Speaker 1>historical record is a bit fuzzy as to whether Kennedy

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<v Speaker 1>actually filed any stories from this last leg of the trip.

0:31:38.440 --> 0:31:42.280
<v Speaker 1>It seems like he probably didn't. He did, however, keep

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<v Speaker 1>a diary. You can buy a reprint of it for

0:31:45.600 --> 0:31:50.040
<v Speaker 1>under ten bucks. It's called Prelude to Leadership, The European

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<v Speaker 1>Diary of John F. Kennedy. The diary reflects on the

0:31:54.120 --> 0:31:56.760
<v Speaker 1>utter destruction in places like Berlin.

0:31:58.200 --> 0:32:04.960
<v Speaker 9>The devastation is The streets are relatively clear, but there

0:32:05.040 --> 0:32:08.200
<v Speaker 9>is not a single building which is not gutted. On

0:32:08.240 --> 0:32:11.680
<v Speaker 9>some of the streets, the stench, sweet and sickish from

0:32:11.720 --> 0:32:17.320
<v Speaker 9>dead bodies is overwhelming. The people all have completely colorless faces,

0:32:18.160 --> 0:32:23.400
<v Speaker 9>a yellow tinge with pale tan lips. They were all

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<v Speaker 9>carrying bundles. Where are they going? No one seems to know.

0:32:29.200 --> 0:32:30.480
<v Speaker 9>I wonder whether they do.

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<v Speaker 1>In one entry, Kennedy describes a somber conversation with a

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<v Speaker 1>young German girl.

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<v Speaker 9>This girl is about twenty two, speaks some English, and

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<v Speaker 9>is a Roman Catholic. She said it was difficult to

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<v Speaker 9>get to Catholic church after the Nazis came to power,

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<v Speaker 9>though it was possible. She thought the Germans were going

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<v Speaker 9>to win the war, but the first victories were just shining.

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<v Speaker 9>She thought the future of Germany is melancholy.

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<v Speaker 1>The final entry is arguably the most chilling one. Kennedy

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<v Speaker 1>writes about his visit to Hitler's bombed out chalet in

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<v Speaker 1>the Bavarian Alps, as well as a nearby building.

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<v Speaker 9>After visiting these two places, you can clearly understand how

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<v Speaker 9>that within a few years Hitler will emerge from the

0:33:16.200 --> 0:33:18.960
<v Speaker 9>hatred that surrounds him now as one of the most

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<v Speaker 9>significant figures who ever lived. He had boundless ambition for

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<v Speaker 9>his country, which rendered him a menace to the peace

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<v Speaker 9>of the world. But he had a mystery about him

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<v Speaker 9>in the way that he lived, in the manner of

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<v Speaker 9>his death that will live and grow after it. He

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<v Speaker 9>had in him the stuff of which legends are made.

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<v Speaker 1>For the record. Kennedyologists who have written about this entry

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<v Speaker 1>have noted there's no indication that jfk harbored any sympathies

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<v Speaker 1>for the Fear or Nazi Germany.

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<v Speaker 7>What I take away from the diary is a sense

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<v Speaker 7>that the world order has fundamentally shifted. In part again,

0:34:01.000 --> 0:34:05.320
<v Speaker 7>is based on seeing the destruction all around him, his

0:34:05.440 --> 0:34:11.960
<v Speaker 7>awareness that Britain is a faded power, that Britain is

0:34:12.000 --> 0:34:16.319
<v Speaker 7>emerging drastically weakened from the war. Now he's seeing that

0:34:16.400 --> 0:34:20.239
<v Speaker 7>Germany is destroyed coming out of the war. He understands

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<v Speaker 7>that there's going to be a division of Germany. What's

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<v Speaker 7>the strength in his analysis is the degree to which

0:34:25.800 --> 0:34:32.239
<v Speaker 7>he perceives that this division between East and West, the

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<v Speaker 7>United States the leader of one camp, if you will,

0:34:35.160 --> 0:34:37.480
<v Speaker 7>and the Soviet Union the leader and the other. That

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<v Speaker 7>I think is affirmed for him in these weeks in Germany,

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<v Speaker 7>and again I repeat because I think it matters a

0:34:46.080 --> 0:34:49.680
<v Speaker 7>conviction that he has, which is that the United States

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<v Speaker 7>must become the leader of the West going forward.

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<v Speaker 1>In addition of the diary published in nineteen ninety five, include

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<v Speaker 1>an introduction by Hugh Sidney, who covered Kennedy's presidency for Time.

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<v Speaker 1>He writes, quote Kennedy shows in his diary that he

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<v Speaker 1>has the instincts of a good journalist, the unflagging curiosity,

0:35:13.680 --> 0:35:18.160
<v Speaker 1>the eyes, the ears. Others in Kennedy's orbit have described

0:35:18.320 --> 0:35:21.719
<v Speaker 1>that spring and summer of nineteen forty five as a

0:35:21.840 --> 0:35:26.600
<v Speaker 1>key step in his political evolution. Close friend and speech

0:35:26.640 --> 0:35:31.200
<v Speaker 1>writer Ted Sorenson wrote in his own JFK biography quote

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<v Speaker 1>in a brief fling at journalism, he had observed the

0:35:35.120 --> 0:35:39.520
<v Speaker 1>power politics at Potsdam and the San Francisco UN Conference,

0:35:39.880 --> 0:35:43.840
<v Speaker 1>and covered the British election. All this sharpened his interest

0:35:43.960 --> 0:35:49.400
<v Speaker 1>in public affairs and public service. Two of JFK's White

0:35:49.400 --> 0:35:54.600
<v Speaker 1>House aides said he considered his journalistic dalliances quote the

0:35:54.640 --> 0:36:00.200
<v Speaker 1>thing that finally moved Jack Kennedy toward active politics. Having

0:36:00.239 --> 0:36:03.120
<v Speaker 1>a close look as a reporter at the post war

0:36:03.239 --> 0:36:07.000
<v Speaker 1>political leaders in action, he decided that he might be

0:36:07.040 --> 0:36:11.400
<v Speaker 1>able to find more satisfaction and to perform more useful

0:36:11.520 --> 0:36:17.280
<v Speaker 1>service as a politician than as a political writer. Kennedy

0:36:17.360 --> 0:36:21.000
<v Speaker 1>left Europe in early August as the war was hurtling

0:36:21.080 --> 0:36:25.799
<v Speaker 1>toward its catastrophic conclusion in Japan. By the end of

0:36:25.840 --> 0:36:28.640
<v Speaker 1>the year, he had made the decision to run for

0:36:28.760 --> 0:36:33.239
<v Speaker 1>office in April nineteen forty six, he officially entered the

0:36:33.320 --> 0:36:38.319
<v Speaker 1>race to represent his home state's eleventh congressional district. And

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<v Speaker 1>while the rest is history.

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<v Speaker 7>Nobody thought of this at the time, but present in

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<v Speaker 7>Potsdam are the thirty third President of the United States,

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<v Speaker 7>Harry Truman, the thirty fourth President of the United States

0:36:53.600 --> 0:36:58.000
<v Speaker 7>Dwight Eisenhower, and the thirty fifth President of the United States,

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<v Speaker 7>young Jack Kennedy.

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<v Speaker 4>He was the youngest president ever to be elected. I

0:37:03.640 --> 0:37:06.480
<v Speaker 4>was only a teenager, but he felt like one of us.

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<v Speaker 4>But here was a guy, he was forty three at

0:37:08.680 --> 0:37:11.640
<v Speaker 4>the time, and we thought, Wow, this is somebody that's

0:37:11.680 --> 0:37:14.839
<v Speaker 4>almost in our generation, somebody who we actually can look

0:37:14.920 --> 0:37:18.600
<v Speaker 4>up to and respect. And he was funny, he had

0:37:18.640 --> 0:37:21.040
<v Speaker 4>a quick wit. That guy can be a president. That

0:37:21.520 --> 0:37:23.840
<v Speaker 4>was really cool to us. He was a hero to

0:37:24.040 --> 0:37:24.760
<v Speaker 4>our generation.

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<v Speaker 1>One day in nineteen sixty, when Kennedy was running for president,

0:37:29.239 --> 0:37:32.360
<v Speaker 1>he sat down to dictate some notes. He would do

0:37:32.440 --> 0:37:35.840
<v Speaker 1>this from time to time, preparing for the memoirs he

0:37:35.920 --> 0:37:40.839
<v Speaker 1>expected to write. On this particular occasion, Kennedy reflected on

0:37:40.960 --> 0:37:45.879
<v Speaker 1>his trajectory from pt boat captain to candidate for America's

0:37:45.960 --> 0:37:47.920
<v Speaker 1>highest office.

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<v Speaker 3>My brother Joe was killed in Europe as a fire

0:37:50.920 --> 0:37:54.560
<v Speaker 3>in August nineteen forty four, and that ended our hopes

0:37:54.640 --> 0:37:55.080
<v Speaker 3>for him.

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<v Speaker 10>But I didn't even.

0:37:57.560 --> 0:38:02.800
<v Speaker 3>Start to think about a political profess more than a

0:38:02.880 --> 0:38:06.600
<v Speaker 3>year later. When the war came. I didn't know what

0:38:06.680 --> 0:38:08.920
<v Speaker 3>I was going to do, and I didn't find it

0:38:09.200 --> 0:38:13.480
<v Speaker 3>oppressive that I didn't know. Forty four and forty five,

0:38:13.560 --> 0:38:15.640
<v Speaker 3>I had been in the hospital for about a year,

0:38:16.200 --> 0:38:19.279
<v Speaker 3>recovering from some injuries I received in the Pacific, and

0:38:19.360 --> 0:38:22.680
<v Speaker 3>I worked as a reporter covering the San Francisco Conference,

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<v Speaker 3>the British election, and the Potsdam meeting tall in nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>forty five.

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<v Speaker 1>A few beats later. In the recording, which you can

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<v Speaker 1>find online at the website of UVa's Miller Center, Kennedy

0:38:36.360 --> 0:38:42.719
<v Speaker 1>explains why journalism didn't captivate him the way politics ultimately did.

0:38:42.960 --> 0:38:46.560
<v Speaker 3>A reporter is reporting what happens. He's not making it

0:38:46.600 --> 0:38:51.920
<v Speaker 3>happen underline, making underline reporter. Even the good reporters, the

0:38:51.920 --> 0:38:56.000
<v Speaker 3>ones who are really fascinated by what happens and who

0:38:56.080 --> 0:38:59.880
<v Speaker 3>find real stickless putting their noses into the center of

0:39:01.440 --> 0:39:05.160
<v Speaker 3>even they in a sense are in a secondary profession.

0:39:05.800 --> 0:39:10.520
<v Speaker 3>It's reporting what happened coma, but it isn't participating.

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<v Speaker 1>By all accounts, JFK would have made a fine journalist,

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<v Speaker 1>and if fate hadn't intervened, maybe that's exactly what he

0:39:20.280 --> 0:39:21.480
<v Speaker 1>would have ended up being.

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<v Speaker 7>Let's suppose that Joe Junior survives. He was seen by

0:39:26.560 --> 0:39:30.160
<v Speaker 7>his father and others as the one who would enter politics.

0:39:30.960 --> 0:39:33.560
<v Speaker 7>So he does so, let's say, and let's say he

0:39:33.920 --> 0:39:36.760
<v Speaker 7>rises to the talk or near the talk. I actually

0:39:36.800 --> 0:39:40.400
<v Speaker 7>suggest that there are reasons why Joe Kennedy Junior would

0:39:40.440 --> 0:39:43.719
<v Speaker 7>not have been as successful as his brother was in politics.

0:39:43.800 --> 0:39:46.600
<v Speaker 7>But let's assume that he would have been. I think

0:39:47.120 --> 0:39:50.440
<v Speaker 7>Jack Kennedy probably would have pursued, at least in the

0:39:50.480 --> 0:39:55.000
<v Speaker 7>early going, a journalistic career, and I think he would

0:39:55.000 --> 0:39:58.080
<v Speaker 7>have been successful at it. It's not impossible to imagine

0:39:58.239 --> 0:40:02.040
<v Speaker 7>that he stays with that career, that he becomes a

0:40:02.160 --> 0:40:06.120
<v Speaker 7>kind of Walter Lippman for a later generation. And because

0:40:06.120 --> 0:40:09.560
<v Speaker 7>of his skill as an observer, because of his intelligence,

0:40:10.120 --> 0:40:14.960
<v Speaker 7>because of his ability to write pretty well and pretty quickly,

0:40:15.000 --> 0:40:18.880
<v Speaker 7>which is important in journalism, a very little reason to

0:40:19.080 --> 0:40:22.839
<v Speaker 7>believe that he would have not been highly successful in

0:40:22.840 --> 0:40:25.800
<v Speaker 7>that capacity. It's a fascinating scenario.

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<v Speaker 4>He had a curious mind and he had a great

0:40:28.920 --> 0:40:32.120
<v Speaker 4>way of expressing himself. Would he have made a great journalist,

0:40:32.160 --> 0:40:32.920
<v Speaker 4>Of course he would.

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<v Speaker 5>So this should be a movie. This one a little

0:40:41.640 --> 0:40:45.359
<v Speaker 5>added cinematic flair because the great director Rob Reiner gave

0:40:45.440 --> 0:40:47.960
<v Speaker 5>us a nice cameo. Here, zaren, have you put your

0:40:48.160 --> 0:40:49.359
<v Speaker 5>casting director hat on?

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<v Speaker 10>I did, and in the spirit of Rob Reinder, I

0:40:51.960 --> 0:40:52.840
<v Speaker 10>thought a lot about this.

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<v Speaker 6>I wanted to get the casting right.

0:40:54.080 --> 0:40:56.160
<v Speaker 10>He's really good at casting, so I thought, Okay, I

0:40:56.600 --> 0:40:58.840
<v Speaker 10>give this one up for Rob, so for casting for

0:40:59.000 --> 0:41:01.520
<v Speaker 10>young JFK the guy, the kid looks like him. So

0:41:01.560 --> 0:41:04.959
<v Speaker 10>this one was easy. That kid Finn Wolfhart from Stranger Things.

0:41:04.960 --> 0:41:06.239
<v Speaker 10>I mean, he's got the floppy hair.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think he looks like JFK?

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<v Speaker 10>Out of all the young actors I was looking at,

0:41:10.600 --> 0:41:14.640
<v Speaker 10>he was the closest appearance. Right Tony Goldwyn, the guy

0:41:14.640 --> 0:41:17.400
<v Speaker 10>from Law and Order and from Scandal, he looks the

0:41:17.440 --> 0:41:19.239
<v Speaker 10>most like a Kennedy. But I think he's too old

0:41:19.239 --> 0:41:21.480
<v Speaker 10>now to play young Jack. So I was looking for

0:41:21.560 --> 0:41:22.400
<v Speaker 10>a young Jack.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what, I'm gonna give you a crazy pitch,

0:41:24.760 --> 0:41:27.480
<v Speaker 1>what young solo himself?

0:41:29.560 --> 0:41:31.279
<v Speaker 6>Whoa that's back?

0:41:31.760 --> 0:41:32.000
<v Speaker 3>Yes?

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<v Speaker 6>Bring him back good jawline poll too Okay.

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<v Speaker 10>Now for Joe Kennedy Senior, for the Father, I thought

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<v Speaker 10>Tim Blake Nelson Delmar from O Brother, Where art thou?

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<v Speaker 10>He looks like Joe Kennedy Senior. I looked up Joe

0:41:44.560 --> 0:41:47.160
<v Speaker 10>Kennedy Senior. I'm like, oh, that's that's a done deal,

0:41:47.280 --> 0:41:50.279
<v Speaker 10>Tim Blake Nelson. And then for like William Randolph Hurst,

0:41:50.360 --> 0:41:52.359
<v Speaker 10>I thought this one. I was like, okay, once again,

0:41:52.440 --> 0:41:55.200
<v Speaker 10>looked at the man difficult face because he has a

0:41:55.280 --> 0:41:57.120
<v Speaker 10>kind of like, you know, like that Time Traveler pre

0:41:57.239 --> 0:41:59.239
<v Speaker 10>iPhone face. You're like, okay, who am I to get?

0:41:59.600 --> 0:42:01.560
<v Speaker 10>Edward Horton was as close as I could get, being

0:42:01.560 --> 0:42:03.480
<v Speaker 10>like boom. I think he's got the acting chops. He

0:42:03.520 --> 0:42:06.960
<v Speaker 10>can do the gravitas. And then for Winston Churchill, this

0:42:07.160 --> 0:42:10.480
<v Speaker 10>was a surprise Patton Oswalden a play for an Oscar.

0:42:10.760 --> 0:42:12.240
<v Speaker 7>Wow, whoa.

0:42:12.280 --> 0:42:15.080
<v Speaker 1>I love when a comedian goes serious, right, I thought

0:42:15.080 --> 0:42:16.759
<v Speaker 1>that could be fun because Toby Jones was the other one,

0:42:16.800 --> 0:42:18.560
<v Speaker 1>the British actor, but he's already played him, so that

0:42:18.640 --> 0:42:21.680
<v Speaker 1>was like, okay, that's too easy. Yeah, British people always

0:42:21.680 --> 0:42:24.920
<v Speaker 1>get mad when Americans play Winston Churchill because of the crown.

0:42:25.160 --> 0:42:28.879
<v Speaker 1>It was John Letgow, John Lithgow, and they got mad.

0:42:28.920 --> 0:42:29.919
<v Speaker 1>But he did a great job.

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<v Speaker 10>So you know, I did not see that though, John Lithgow,

0:42:33.360 --> 0:42:34.360
<v Speaker 10>that's an interesting choice.

0:42:34.400 --> 0:42:35.360
<v Speaker 6>He seems like too tall.

0:42:35.719 --> 0:42:38.200
<v Speaker 1>He was great. Yeah, so I think we can give

0:42:38.200 --> 0:42:39.160
<v Speaker 1>it to another American.

0:42:39.440 --> 0:42:40.480
<v Speaker 6>Okay, I like that call.

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<v Speaker 5>And John Lithgow, quick aside, will be playing buzz Aldrin

0:42:45.160 --> 0:42:49.200
<v Speaker 5>and an upcoming podcast that launches I think it's July ninth.

0:42:49.320 --> 0:42:53.239
<v Speaker 6>Really, yeah, fighting buzz Aldrin, my man.

0:42:53.160 --> 0:42:56.640
<v Speaker 5>Your guy. Maybe we put Rob Reiner in this as

0:42:56.800 --> 0:42:58.959
<v Speaker 5>kind of the narrator. He can be like the Peter

0:42:59.080 --> 0:43:03.600
<v Speaker 5>falk roll from Yeah where that fits into the narrative.

0:43:03.719 --> 0:43:05.080
<v Speaker 5>But let's working.

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<v Speaker 1>Then he plays the newspaperman who assigned JFK. A It's

0:43:11.200 --> 0:43:14.759
<v Speaker 1>a non historical character, but just the scrappy newspaper man

0:43:14.800 --> 0:43:17.280
<v Speaker 1>who's a mentor to JFK in the movie version.

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<v Speaker 6>So that's good, good call, good screenwriting.

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<v Speaker 10>I love to think that one thing about this story

0:43:22.200 --> 0:43:24.880
<v Speaker 10>is it's a perfect reminder that a great truth of leadership,

0:43:25.080 --> 0:43:27.160
<v Speaker 10>the secret to being a great leader is be a

0:43:27.200 --> 0:43:29.279
<v Speaker 10>great storyteller, you know what I mean, Like, think about

0:43:29.360 --> 0:43:32.919
<v Speaker 10>all of our great American presidents. They're almost all great storytellers.

0:43:33.040 --> 0:43:35.520
<v Speaker 5>So if JFK the journalist was coming up today, what

0:43:35.560 --> 0:43:39.040
<v Speaker 5>would be your advice It start a sub stack focus

0:43:39.080 --> 0:43:40.040
<v Speaker 5>on social.

0:43:41.239 --> 0:43:42.439
<v Speaker 6>Wow, that's tough one.

0:43:42.800 --> 0:43:45.360
<v Speaker 1>I would say you, Oh, you have family, money, great,

0:43:45.440 --> 0:43:48.319
<v Speaker 1>You'll be just fine.

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<v Speaker 5>producer is Josh Fisher. Editing and sound design by Jonathan

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<v Speaker 5>Washington and Josh Fisher. Additional editing by Mary Doo, fixing

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<v Speaker 5>and mastering by Josh Fisher. A big thanks to our

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<v Speaker 5>JFK voice actor, Tom anton Ellis. It's very hard to

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<v Speaker 5>do reenactments in an episode that also includes archival audio

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<v Speaker 5>of the guy you are re enacting, but I thought

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<v Speaker 5>Tom nailed it. Great to work with him again, And

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<v Speaker 5>of course big thanks to Rob Reiner for agreeing to

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<v Speaker 5>talk to us po see Spinal Tap two in theaters

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<v Speaker 5>this September. Thanks to Roco at Rob's Company for helping

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<v Speaker 5>coordinate original music by Alis McCoy, research in fact checking

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<v Speaker 5>by Austin Thompson and Joe Pompeo. Show logo by Lucy Kintonia.

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<v Speaker 5>Our executive producer is Jason English. If you ever want

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<v Speaker 5>to email the show, you can reach us a Very

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<v Speaker 5>Special Episodes at gmail dot com. Very Special Episodes is

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<v Speaker 5>a production of iHeart Podcasts m