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Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast Stay Away from My Wife

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Speaker 1: Mark Miss Westling podcast Studio. But New Year's Eve party

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Speaker 1: that went sideways with Zavalton Sessler. I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: think he's referring to someone else and their wife that

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Speaker 1: I like you namely that came from you. I know, yes,

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Speaker 1: it did nothing to do with it. I'm Dan hansis

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Speaker 1: that I got heroes here? Wow, scandal to start the show.

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Speaker 1: Colleen Wolf, Greg rosenital Mark Sessler? What's up? Hey? You

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Speaker 1: know what we're gonna This is like stage right now.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna stage to the top of the show here,

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Speaker 1: because I feel like that was maybe the wrong way

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Speaker 1: to start things with Mark for sure on the wrong foot.

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Speaker 1: So here everyone's pointed. Though it didn't seem vague, it

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Speaker 1: was directed directly at Mark. It was a warning, do

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Speaker 1: you know anything about this? Justin the story behind the

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Speaker 1: zummy drop. M Drops are usually inside jokes referencing something

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Speaker 1: that happened on the show five months ago. It happened

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Speaker 1: on the show, and it was words from you too. Yes. Oh,

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Speaker 1: so it wasn't a premeditated here used this. It was

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Speaker 1: just something that was coming to do. He is, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it has nothing to do with Jason's wife, and you

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Speaker 1: no good to clarify that. Do it again? Like most jokes,

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Speaker 1: it's good to discuss what it really meant afterwards, you

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Speaker 1: need the autopsy. Yeah alright, humor coach Greg Ross until

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Speaker 1: showing in. That's right. A showman, a growing showman, a growman.

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Speaker 1: Remember in the off season there will be did we

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Speaker 1: just said, what was the name of it? The Showman's showman,

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Speaker 1: be a dissertation Greg and the audience Mark and I

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Speaker 1: teaching him where the glories. I can't wait for the

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Speaker 1: performance speak being a showman, Greg is going to have

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Speaker 1: a stage to work on his craft. Because that live

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Speaker 1: show that we're doing, the a t N Homecoming show

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Speaker 1: from the Bourbon Room in Hollywood, it's sold out, So

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Speaker 1: I like a Taylor Swift concert. Go flood the secondary market.

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Speaker 1: See if you can find a ticket for a few

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Speaker 1: bastard out. And I just want to thank everyone who

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Speaker 1: be a lot of fun in Los Angeles. I walked

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Speaker 1: that's it's up on Hollywood Boulevard. Those like iron gates

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Speaker 1: to close it so it doesn't get broken into at night.

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Speaker 1: But he was opening it and I just said, can

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Speaker 1: I take a picture of It's got a neon sign. Um.

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Speaker 1: He said, well, wait, who are you? And I explained, like,

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Speaker 1: I'm part of this football, nerdy football show that's broadcast.

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Speaker 1: He's like, oh, the shows sold out. He's like, come

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Speaker 1: on and take a look. I took a look at

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Speaker 1: the venue. Beautiful, beautiful venue. I can't wait to tailgate.

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Speaker 1: There's a big tailgate right yeah. Um, so much going on,

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Speaker 1: so that's happening next week. Of course it's also New

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Speaker 1: Horizons week in the NFL. A little bit weird, Greggy, Um,

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Speaker 1: We're so used to doing this. There's always, you know,

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Speaker 1: six to eight coaching changes, it seems every year. And

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Speaker 1: of course not all these guys are out of the woods.

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Speaker 1: But we knew Frank Reich and Matt Rule we're gone,

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Speaker 1: Jeff Saturday and Wilkes in term coach, We'll see what

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Speaker 1: their futures are. Cliff Kingsbury was let go officially on

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Speaker 1: Monday Lovey Smith as well. So we're just at four

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Speaker 1: missing somebody? I don't know. Uh, did you mention the Broncos?

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Speaker 1: I miss le Broncos. So I think there'll be one more. So,

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Speaker 1: caught up Thank you if you made it through the

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Speaker 1: seventeen hour Week eighteen recap of Around the NFL. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: before I went, I did my Good Morning Football hit

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Speaker 1: with Kyle Brandt this morning, just making chit chat. Kyle

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Speaker 1: said something like, yeah, man, a pretty long podcast on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to let go of the Lions, and

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Speaker 1: Powers podcast today, Connie that Jamal Williams, who was a

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Speaker 1: It was the biggest plot twist interview that I've ever

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Speaker 1: Now that's a showman. I mean, I thought he knew

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Speaker 1: or two from him. Ouch, get the stage out again, showman. Yes,

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Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury one of the dismissed coaches Arizona Cardinals. Also

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Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury get let go. I did like him personally

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Speaker 1: same to Cardinals fans. So I'm glad they did that.

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Speaker 1: And when you really think about the money involved, your

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Speaker 1: spend more on like one season of Kelvin Beecham than

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Speaker 1: you do on five seasons around the same of Cliff,

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Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury and Steve Kind. So in the scheme of things,

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Speaker 1: and if your owner is willing to make this change,

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Speaker 1: If he wants to get it right. That's to their credit.

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Speaker 1: But their discredit was, as we critique to your point, Correight,

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Speaker 1: these guys definitely need an extension. Coming off into playoff

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Speaker 1: But that also hast nothing to do with White Cliffs. Yet,

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Speaker 1: any evidence of the Cardinals from his Instagram and then

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Speaker 1: obviously the contract stuff that happened, and then all of

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Speaker 1: the whole situation. But didn't I mean, Cliff was brought

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Speaker 1: but I don't know, like it just seems like the

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Speaker 1: same mistake will happen again, and they need to bring

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Speaker 1: in a coach that's going to not only get along

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Speaker 1: with Kyler Murray, but also get along with Michael Bidwell

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Speaker 1: because he's really proactive and just have a better sense

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Speaker 1: of who is a good offensive coach because there were

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Speaker 1: a lot of people who did not believe Cliff Kingsbury

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Speaker 1: I think the Cardinals offense was defined by its lack

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Speaker 1: of ability to adapt over the last four years. They

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Speaker 1: were one of the easiest offenses to attack. Before it happened.

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Speaker 1: It was because Kingsbury and Kyler Murray had known each

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Speaker 1: other forever. But I do think it was a personal thing.

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Speaker 1: I was think it was more like this guy will

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Speaker 1: maximize Kyler as a player, and Kime didn't even do

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Speaker 1: the roster has no debt in general, but then the

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Speaker 1: make sure I give you the exact quote, although it

425
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 1: is a very similar quote. UM. When he was Dennis

426
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,440
Speaker 1: Allen has asked about his job status after his first

427
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 1: year or the Saints, whether he has a job, but

428
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,240
Speaker 1: whether he's gonna be the head coach, and his reply was,

429
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any need to discuss that any further,

430
00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:00,439
Speaker 1: and I'm certainly going forward with that anticipation. That's the

431
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:04,879
Speaker 1: indication that I've been given, and I'm excited about it. Um.

432
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 1: It always seems like a weird, unnecessary situation. UM, And

433
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 1: I understand it's the timing. Also, maybe the team is

434
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:13,640
Speaker 1: not sure what they want to do yet. But when

435
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:15,639
Speaker 1: you send your head coach out for that end of

436
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:19,120
Speaker 1: season press press conference a day after the final game

437
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 1: of the year and he doesn't actually have it on

438
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,440
Speaker 1: like authority that he's coming back, so he says that

439
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 1: thing like, no one's told me I'm not coming back,

440
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,879
Speaker 1: so I'm just assuming I am. Always feels like a

441
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 1: bit of a tough sitch put it that way. For

442
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,680
Speaker 1: the old HC. In this case, Dennis Allen agree like

443
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 1: McVeigh put himself in a different situation and get to

444
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 1: that later, but he also didn't seem to have his

445
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,400
Speaker 1: own clarity. I watched the Dennis Allen press conference for

446
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 1: some reason because I just thought it might be awkward,

447
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:53,679
Speaker 1: and he didn't say anything. He just didn't answer any questions.

448
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 1: He it's sort of limb. It seemed like it wasn't

449
00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 1: about his job. I'm saying, like about the team and

450
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,439
Speaker 1: what they're gonna do in different things, and he just

451
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 1: sort of like refused to say anything meaningful. But do

452
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,239
Speaker 1: you think that might be connected to him maybe not

453
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 1: knowing if he is. Yeah, he tried to nip that

454
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 1: in the button. You read the quote right away, like

455
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 1: stop asking me about this essentially right away, stop asking

456
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 1: me if I'm fired. It really seems it really seems

457
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 1: like he's safe, because the whole Sean Payton idea seems

458
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,959
Speaker 1: to have come and gone. In terms of Sean Payton

459
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,680
Speaker 1: potentially coming back, that doesn't seem like it's at all

460
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,120
Speaker 1: in the cards, all right. In other news, Sean McVeigh,

461
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,400
Speaker 1: of course, the Super Bowl winning coach of the Rams.

462
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 1: Big story going into week eighteen that he might step

463
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 1: away from the sidelines, at least temporarily. Uh. He spoke

464
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 1: to the media on Monday, and this is what he

465
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 1: had to say about his uncertain future. I don't get

466
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 1: the sense in the least, but I'm done coaching, right.

467
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 1: It's just a matter of what does that look like

468
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 1: as it relates to the immediate future. I think what

469
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,399
Speaker 1: I'd like to do is be able to take the

470
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 1: appropriate time never going through anything like this. But you

471
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 1: want to make sure that you're considered of the people

472
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,639
Speaker 1: that are affected. That that's the most important thing, and

473
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,199
Speaker 1: that's probably you know, you want to be able to

474
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 1: the consistent conversations and dialogues that have existed with the

475
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 1: people that I love and really care about. Hey, do

476
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 1: what you think is best for you and Veronica. Um,

477
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean it takes away the empathy the

478
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 1: level of responsibility that I do feel for the people

479
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 1: that would be affected. Um, you know, as it relates

480
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 1: to my decision moving forward. And so those are the

481
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 1: things that you don't take lightly. And we learned that

482
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 1: he has let his coaches as assistants know that it's

483
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 1: cool to look for outside work, which seems like another

484
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 1: indication like they that was from ESPN's Jeremy Fowler. Yeah,

485
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,879
Speaker 1: that like if you wanted to take another job, And

486
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: our our friend Jordan read Reg added some context that

487
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 1: there would have been a lot of changes to the staff. Anyways,

488
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,159
Speaker 1: we already knew the offensive coordinator was leaving, that was

489
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 1: a month ago. I think that was more of he

490
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 1: wasn't going to be brought back and found a job situation,

491
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 1: and I think there could be more. Morris is a

492
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 1: notable guy on that staff. There d C for it

493
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 1: to get to this point. Whatever Sean McVeigh is going

494
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: through mentally has to be really really taxing for him

495
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 1: to just come out and be like this is like

496
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 1: nothing I've ever experienced. Hey, staff, go ahead, like look

497
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 1: for other jobs. Don't stay here because of me, because

498
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,880
Speaker 1: I don't even know what I'm gonna do. I mean that,

499
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 1: especially in this NFL right now and this time, like

500
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 1: when you see guys getting hired and fired and all

501
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,360
Speaker 1: of the success that he's experienced from the jump with

502
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 1: the RAMS, I just think that there's much more that

503
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 1: we don't know um about what he's going through. And

504
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: I bet that everything has been really hard on him

505
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 1: this year, Like the expectations were really high. And I

506
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 1: know you guys were talking about this the other day

507
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 1: on the pod just about like he just got married,

508
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: and I honestly can't imagine like having an in laws

509
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: family going through a war torn situation like that is.

510
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,239
Speaker 1: I understand, like you have your your work life and

511
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: your personal life, but a lot of times those things

512
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 1: have to be in the same scope, like you're still

513
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: just a human being dealing with other human beings, and like,

514
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: I think he has to take whatever time he needs

515
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 1: to step away. But it is kind of weird because

516
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: we don't hear it all the time for a coach

517
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: to say I need this. Yeah, I think it's countercultural,

518
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 1: and it's it's he's a younger coach. Obviously a lot

519
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 1: of the guys like the Cliff Kingsbury's were hired because

520
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 1: of the Sean McVeigh effect. You go find this young

521
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 1: guy that is so driven in so resourceful, and he's

522
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: a brainiac and a wizard and he's going to change

523
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 1: your offense. But Sean McVeigh always took so much on

524
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 1: like I'll just never think we talk on something that

525
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: feature that came out before the season, just the weight.

526
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: I remember being at the UH the combine after they

527
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: lost that Super Bowl of the Patriots, and and Sean

528
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,360
Speaker 1: McVeigh was up on stage the Diaz in that big

529
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 1: room talking to Good Morning Football early before a bunch

530
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: of press showed up, and there was just this sort

531
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 1: of weight to his entire demeanor, like that Super Bowl

532
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 1: weighed so heavily on him. And I think it's such

533
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 1: a release after the one one. But then now you're

534
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: right back in the thick of it in an organization

535
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: that maybe if you're thinking personally like I'm at this

536
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: place where this crossroads and need to make a countercultural

537
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 1: move and go treat my family situation, my mental health,

538
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 1: all that stuff before football, which is different than the

539
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 1: old school coaches that just like burned through this, never

540
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: around their families. They sleep at the facility that they're

541
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: eighty weeks, even if they only need to be there

542
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: fifty four. McVeigh is not from necessarily that world, and

543
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: he's telling us that. I think he's saying like coaching

544
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 1: isn't over immediate. Coaching might be as also being courted

545
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: left and right by television, And I just think, like

546
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 1: I guess from a Ramos angle too, they he's done

547
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: so much for him that you'd be like, we want

548
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: you to do what you want to do, but do

549
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: you really if you're a player, And this is not

550
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,239
Speaker 1: against Sean McVeigh, because there's no doubt that he's all in,

551
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 1: Like do you want to coach every January taking press

552
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: confidence whether or not you still want to do this,

553
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: it's like you need like you need that coach needs

554
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: to be the anchor. So if he's not able to

555
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 1: be the anchor for whatever reason, float away for a

556
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 1: bit and maybe we see you again. I think. Yeah.

557
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: The one thing that was difficulty What he said was

558
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: he'd never been through anything like this before, and that's

559
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: true in terms of this season, but he was going

560
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: through something exactly like this a year ago. At this

561
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: time he considered going leaving the job. But it's two

562
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:11,959
Speaker 1: years in a row. That's what I'm saying. It's because

563
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: you so that I agree that you you can't be

564
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: in that spot and put your team in that spot

565
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: you're after And he's very conscious of that, and you

566
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: could hear him speaking to that and it makes you

567
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: think that he will go away, but it's hard to guess.

568
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: And I think Jordan's our friend. I'll mention again like

569
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: hit on I think a key point here. You said,

570
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: like there had been this sprint from him basically his

571
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: whole football life since he was like John Gruden's mentee

572
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: almost fifteen years ago, of like getting to the mountaintop,

573
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: getting you know, becoming the best coach in the league,

574
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: getting anything, winning the Super Bowl. And you hear this

575
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: from a lot of people who have experienced a lot

576
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: of success in their lives and they realized when they

577
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: get to the top and they achieved everything they ever

578
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: wanted to that actually, isn't that satisfying. That it's not

579
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: that fulfilling. It is in the moment, but it's not

580
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: gonna change who you are are in in the long term,

581
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: and that whatever he wants to do like that alone

582
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: isn't going to make everything. Okay. I I don't know.

583
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: I think I think we've probably seen the last of

584
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: him for the Rams right now. It seemed like this

585
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: does a super Bowl? Winning the Super Bowl calvinize you

586
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: two wins, five more's or was it more of a

587
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,239
Speaker 1: relief And it just felt like it was just more

588
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: of a relief to Sean McVeigh at times then like

589
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: I want to do this for thirty more years. Don't

590
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 1: ask it again. I think about when we reached the

591
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: end of the season put on the bus, but burnout

592
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: that sometimes we feel. I can't imagine being a head

593
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: coach and knowing that they are the amount of work

594
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: that they are pouring in the hours, everything that that

595
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: burnout must be next level. Stafford says he's coming back regardless,

596
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: by the way, whether mcveigh's here or not. He doesn't,

597
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: He's playing football. And I'm sure that Sean McVeigh is

598
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: sincere about the passion he has for the job and

599
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: the idea of burnout. But I'm not ruling out the

600
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: possibility that it takes a ton of money to work

601
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 1: for Fox for a year and then signs a huge

602
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: new deal with a different team and a much better

603
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: We're watching potentially exactly about it, but like you could

604
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: it could be like this is all too much for

605
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: him his personality type, or it could be he thinks

606
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: it's signed for a reset as well. It's sort of

607
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: players retiring and then like all of a sudden, coming

608
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: back and playing for a different thing. His again, his

609
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: the guy who he learned from John Gruden right did

610
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: the exact same thing essentially and I always remember this

611
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: article by Bill Belichick. For some reason, Bill Belichick wrote

612
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: a column in the New York Times after John Gruden

613
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl, and it was kind of like, alright,

614
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: what's next, Like that your life just changed so much,

615
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: and you're gonna have all this thing happened, and then

616
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: at some point you're gonna realize like, oh, I'm just

617
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: back to being the same coach I was before. Uh.

618
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: And I was reminded of it with Jordan's article this

619
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: week speaking of Bill Belichick. He will be coming back

620
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: for his twenty four season on the sideline, uh with

621
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: the Patriots. And you know, he's a perfect example like

622
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: everyone's wired differently. I don't. I'm sure McVeigh lives and

623
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: dies in every single way with his team, but don't

624
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: tell me Bill Belichick doesn't either. I mean he's and

625
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: here he is Nappie Carroll and he's like, you know,

626
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: fiftieth season on the sideline and various capacities. Uh. He

627
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: can't get enough as he's I think seventy three years

628
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: old now. Belichick, Um, he's coming back. But he also

629
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: acknowledged that the future for the Patriots, you know, things

630
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: have to change, is what Bill had to say, as

631
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: we do every year, evaluate everything, UM and try to

632
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: make the best decisions that we can UM to move forward,

633
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: to be more competitive, to have a stronger team. Uh

634
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: in the future, Son, Robert and I'll talk about the

635
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: talk about that was the staff. Certainly individual conversations with

636
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: you know, many of the players, as we always do,

637
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: well all the players, but there's some that are, oh

638
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Speaker 1: my god, this is Terri or will be more commonly

639
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Speaker 1: than than others. He's the best. He's seventy. Just want

640
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Speaker 1: to run through a wall. He choosing his words carefully.

641
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: He's choose his words carefully. Did you watch the game?

642
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: I wish I had asked for it. This would have

643
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: been a better showmanship here. That you mean when you

644
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: were yelling at our producer behind the glass before the

645
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Speaker 1: shows too much true? That is not too much sound?

646
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: Never would never never raise your voice, I guess not

647
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: true now. Uh to Curran was like to Curran, who

648
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: has been there forever, was just came out with it

649
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: and said, well, a lot of us thought it was

650
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: dubious when you hired Matt Patricia. It just said the

651
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: word dubious, and then you didn't really Belichick answer let

652
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: Belichick answer, and he gave his Belichick answer of like

653
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: I was just doing what I thought was best for

654
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: the team. And then Tom responded by being like, yeah,

655
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 1: but like when we think you do things that are dubious,

656
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 1: you don't ever give us like an answer. Uh, so

657
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: we just have to just sort of say it and

658
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: then it sits there. And at that moment Belichick actually

659
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,919
Speaker 1: started smiling and laughing, and then Karen was like, this

660
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 1: is not really a question, it's more of a statement.

661
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: And then Bell was just like, thank you Tom about

662
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:36,320
Speaker 1: this flashpoint. Belichick with Tom current, I would the series

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Speaker 1: is just we got we got flashpoint. May feel in

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Speaker 1: the past, Wow, write these down rams was on our

665
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Speaker 1: on our radar. That's really good. One more time, come on,

666
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: but I want to hear again the flashpoint sounded yeah.

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Speaker 1: Legendary former producer Sydney Carlson crushing the musical theater amazing

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Speaker 1: all right. In other news, Bob McNair cal McNair, excuse me, um,

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Speaker 1: discussing the Texans situation at coach uh Nikossario could step

670
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: away if a new head coach chooses, uh that as

671
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,919
Speaker 1: the more righteous path for the Organization's interesting The team

672
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:57,240
Speaker 1: is also requests out to Jonathan Gannon, um a yearro Evero,

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Speaker 1: Damiko Ryan's, d C, A Niners, Shane Stiken, and Ben

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Speaker 1: Johnson O C of the Lions. So casting a wide

675
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: net as they look to replace Levey Smith, who has

676
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: fired on Sunday. The Broncos, by the way, also a

677
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: team looking to replace a head coach. They have scheduled

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Speaker 1: interviews with Dan Quinn, the Cowboys d C or request

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00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: not a schedule. They've gotta be granted. Request to interview

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Speaker 1: dan Quinn, DMKO, Ryan's and Morris who we got Morris

681
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: will get that request granted. They also did interview a

682
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Speaker 1: zero ever O their own defensive coordinating all right, so

683
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Speaker 1: they want a defensive guy the Panthers for while we're here,

684
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 1: Panthers are talking to Jim Caldwell, uh Ken Dorsey, Shane

685
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: stike In, Ben Johnson, Frank Reich, Steve Wilkes, Mike Kafka.

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Speaker 1: Yeah wow. Interesting And speaking of the Panthers, there has

687
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: been a lot of speculation about Steve Wilkes and whether

688
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: he did enough to earn the job. Um. I didn't

689
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: get the vibe listening to Fitterer that that's really going

690
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: to be an option. I know Wilkes is formally interviewed

691
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: or a scheduled to this week for the job. But

692
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: here's Fitter talking about how he sees the Panther's job

693
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: is very very uh, you know, savory, tasty. It's a

694
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 1: tasty gig compared to the other ones. It's a young teams.

695
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: This division is up for grabs here in the next

696
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: few years. There's no dominant quarterback. They look at our

697
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 1: offensive lines and the pieces that we have and the

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00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: way we're growing right now, and with a few tweaks

699
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: here and there, you know this is this is a

700
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 1: division that we can we can take over. You know

701
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: that opportunity is there. But no dominant quarterback, including on

702
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 1: your roster. That's been the problem. And Scott Fitter is

703
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: not solved that. You know, it's not just a small

704
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: tweak to find a dominant class. By the way, unless

705
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:52,720
Speaker 1: he knows something we don't know, I guess Tom Brady

706
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: is either no longer a dominant quarterback or he'll be

707
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: in Vegas in a couple of months. I think he's

708
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 1: probably right about that. Yeah, I think he probably they

709
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 1: will be on the bucks. He's definitely not dominant uh

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Speaker 1: this year that I really was surprised that Wilkes, I

711
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:10,919
Speaker 1: agree with you, doesn't seem like he's getting a great

712
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: chance here just because he did so well, and I

713
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: think I did a lot of the hard things about

714
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Speaker 1: being a head coach, and the reporting is he has

715
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: a pretty concrete plan of what he would do in

716
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Speaker 1: terms of hiring an offensive cording. So if if you,

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00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: if Steve Wilkes shows up with a great offensive plan

718
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: in terms of who his coach would be, that would

719
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 1: be attractive to me. But everyone else they're interviewing is

720
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: essentially a defensive he had this audition this year was

721
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: pretty great for him, though, considering the way that the

722
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 1: offense looked before he took over in the team in general,

723
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: and then afterwards, they had a single game record for

724
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 1: total yards five and seventy, They had a single game

725
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: record for rushing yards, like they were the NFL's most

726
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: efficient passing attack for six weeks, like they no one

727
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: thought that they were going to be able to do

728
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 1: anything on offense, especially after trading Christian McCaffrey, and then

729
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: all of a sudden they were able to run the

730
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: ball really well. I know that he's a defensive coach,

731
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: but the team in general looked a lot better under him.

732
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,959
Speaker 1: It looked like if they would have beat the Bucks

733
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Speaker 1: in week seventeen, is a good chance he keeps the job.

734
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Speaker 1: That's possible, But the results oriented business. I think Woks

735
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 1: did a great job, but also sometimes you gotta win

736
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: that game. I don't know, I point to I. I

737
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: think it's a hazard sign for coaches don't take these

738
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 1: interim jobs because Rich Possacci a year ago did go

739
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 1: to the playoffs in a in a in a whirlwind

740
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: of turmoil, and when a team that was you know,

741
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,879
Speaker 1: vaguely suspect to begin with, did a great job, goes

742
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:37,839
Speaker 1: and doesn't really get a shot to get that job

743
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: because you know, the time of his life though there

744
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: is something to that, but yeah, but I'm that time

745
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 1: of his life is great. But it's like, if you

746
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: think that it's a pathway to get the head coaching job,

747
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 1: what more could Steve Wilkes have done here? That team

748
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: was a hot disaster and he totally turned them around.

749
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 1: They beat up on teams, showed a lot, the players responded,

750
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: and you don't really get in a fair shake here. Yeah,

751
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 1: I wanted to circle back to the Texans quickly, because

752
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: the Casario part of it was very strange to me.

753
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: He was sitting up there knowing that he needed to

754
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: take responsibility that he hadn't done a good job. You know,

755
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 1: he'll be the first GM in NFL history to ever

756
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 1: get a chance to hire a third head coach after

757
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,879
Speaker 1: hiring two straight one and done. Of course that's never

758
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: happened before, like where the Texans are now, or as

759
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: as dysfunctional as in that way of like turning over

760
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: head coaches as any team in NFL history right now.

761
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 1: And those were his choices, and he even said, well, admittedly,

762
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: I will let other people be more involved in this

763
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: head coaching search, like the mcnari's, but I don't think

764
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 1: it's a choice. And then he also kept saying like

765
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Speaker 1: if the new coach chooses I guess, like you know,

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Speaker 1: and doesn't want me here, i'd have to work with him.

767
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: I could step away. It's like, what is he doing

768
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: up there on the podium. Then it's sounded like he

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00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 1: didn't necessarily know, kind of like these coaches, what his

770
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 1: status is gonna be. So I took from that that, look,

771
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,919
Speaker 1: if they hired a big name, but it doesn't seem

772
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: like they're going for one. Then they could get rid

773
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:13,959
Speaker 1: of Nick Kisario, but they're going for assistance around the league,

774
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 1: and there was a report to that Damiko Ryans might

775
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: not even want to interview with them after you know

776
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: how they've treated the two last black Head coaches that

777
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 1: they hired and pretty much got rid of it. I know,

778
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: it's always like, just take the open job, someone's gonna

779
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: take it. It's like I'd be really careful about some

780
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,919
Speaker 1: of these openings. Such a shame too, because the opportunity

781
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: there with two first round draft picks this year and

782
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: next year for whoever is coming in like it looks great,

783
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,760
Speaker 1: but then you realize it's the Texans and their track

784
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,879
Speaker 1: record recently abysmal record by the way, for how many

785
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: coaches one team is paid at the same time. At

786
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,959
Speaker 1: one point was paying Rob Chittzynski, I believe, for three

787
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: different outings as a Browns coach at the same time

788
00:41:55,520 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: the Browns around the mid the early coaches three ears

789
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 1: is very unusual and I'm wondering when the last time

790
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: that even happened. They're probably O'Brien so they might be

791
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 1: onto their their fourth. That's one azing I'm looking concurrently,

792
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,919
Speaker 1: I'm like, what is the red? This is the type

793
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: of stuff that the you got drew behind the glass,

794
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,919
Speaker 1: all nine ft four of them. Like the research Would

795
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 1: they know that with the research group here at NFL Media,

796
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:23,760
Speaker 1: I think they would. I think they have the ability

797
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: to check that out. John Madden might know that in

798
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: a local laboratory. Uh, super Bowl City. I don't know

799
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: who knows. You just gotta get the information wherever you

800
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: can get it. Let's take one more break and then

801
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: we'll finish things out. All right, welcome back. Let's see

802
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 1: other transactions. Dean Peas. Dean pas I said Bill Bellichick

803
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: was seventy three. No, it's Dean who's seventy three. Uh,

804
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: and he's retiring the defensive coordinator of the Falcons. He's

805
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: he's actually retired two other times previously, but he said

806
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: this time he thinks it's gonna stick. He had some

807
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: health issues. Uh this year, got run over on the

808
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 1: sideline a couple of weeks ago, But he said that

809
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with the decision. He just said

810
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: it's time to walk away. So danps has been coaching

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00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: for I think fifty years. Happy trails to you, good sir,

812
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 1: h defensive coordinator on the U eighteen and one Patriots.

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00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: Dean Ps also the defensive He's got that conference championship

814
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: right Bowl like six hundred times when Dean PS was

815
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: squaring off against Tom Brady and week eighteen. These guys

816
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 1: know each other from you know, their time together, their

817
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: shared time together in New England. We got it. Won

818
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: his Super Bowl with the Ravens with one of the

819
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: worst Ravens defenses of all time. The Niners year. Yeah,

820
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 1: the way the year they won the Super Bowl was

821
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: one of their worst, but he stuck around and they

822
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: had a lot of great defense, a great defense with

823
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 1: some medversity. He was also the Titans defensive coordinator when

824
00:43:52,760 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: they ended the Brady Patriots dynasty. About the title again,

825
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: can tanker as fool? Is that what we called? I

826
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:10,760
Speaker 1: believe he just believed. He loved how he gets agitated

827
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: during press conference. I mean, it happened with the Falcons

828
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: before in the best way. That's what I liked about

829
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: Mike west Off, the old special Team's coach. Just just

830
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 1: a cranky. Oh he's on our show and he's cranky

831
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:25,800
Speaker 1: with us UH one defense recording and not going anywhere.

832
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 1: Is Joe Barry. Matt Lafleur, the Packers head coach, said

833
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: that Barry will return, So there's a little bit. We

834
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: also say that Nathaniel Hackett might come back, leaving the

835
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 1: door open. I think, as I understand, he was asked

836
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 1: about it and he's like, yeah, we're open to that,

837
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: but and perhaps it will happen. But that's interesting, of course,

838
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,280
Speaker 1: into something that he It's sometimes you just get elevated

839
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: a little bit too high. It's like, let's just bring

840
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: it back to where you need to be. You'll be fine.

841
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: Come back home, come back home, all right. In other news,

842
00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: so that's kind of like the roundup of all the

843
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 1: coaches is and what's going on in that realm a

844
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 1: little league news. There was a significant signing extension today.

845
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: Ro Kuan Smith, who has done very good work with

846
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: the Ravens since coming over in that trade at mid

847
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: season from the Bears, agrees to terms on a five year,

848
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 1: one hundred million dollar contract extension. Uh. That is a

849
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: lot of money. Forty five million fully guaranteed, sixty million

850
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,399
Speaker 1: in total guarantees. And for a team that I've told

851
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: you on this podcast, I'm kind of over. They kind

852
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 1: of bore me. Giving a one hundred million dollar extension

853
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: to an off ball linebacker is on brand. It doesn't

854
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 1: get my juices flowing, but it doesn't matter. And they're

855
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: very happy with this man and he's made their defense better.

856
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: So good job. That was just kind of boring. The

857
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: Ravens a huge signing on a Baltimore Smith millions. The

858
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: defense will get to it Thursday. I think they're a

859
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: tough matchup for the Bengals, just the Bengals offense. They

860
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 1: have the franchise tag now if they want to use

861
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 1: it on Lamar, right, that's huge. And he also served

862
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 1: as his own agent and got the biggest money ever,

863
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 1: so you know the agents are sweating this. We do

864
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:13,800
Speaker 1: have some more coaching news, though. We have some breaking

865
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: that I didn't you want to give it to Mark? Yeah,

866
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: you don't have to please, I don't know, just like

867
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: we well, I just let you know we have some

868
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 1: breaking news here. Let's go. Let we already covered that

869
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 1: they were in a minute. All right, give it back

870
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,320
Speaker 1: then for the Greg you announced what it is. I

871
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: just want to announce the music, all right, there you go,

872
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 1: So we came down in a good spot. Alright, Wait, wait,

873
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: let you take the music wants the bump wants the

874
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: last line about Rokuan Smith Smith, what a guy we

875
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: do have. By the way, a little bit of breaking

876
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 1: news Park on top of things, as always Greg, the

877
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: Commanders have fired offensive coordinator Scott Turner. Young Turner, Young Turner. Shoot,

878
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: this is how you become young Turner anymore. This will

879
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: aid you. This is escaped a Manders in Washington, d C.

880
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: And the Pentagon. I know, well, maybe they're losing Commanders

881
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 1: rapid pace. Ron Rivera was talking on Tuesday, so I

882
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 1: guess he sort of strategically did this after conference of

883
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 1: like how he wanted to be a run first team.

884
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: That's how you win in the NFL. You control the

885
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 1: time of possession, this and that, and I'm just like, uh,

886
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: And I'm also thinking, why did they wait till week

887
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: eight teen to see same? How that was fun? Wait?

888
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 1: By the way down the stretch they were one of

889
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: they were like the most run heavy team in the

890
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:50,399
Speaker 1: entire NFC. And if anything, Young Turner was using all

891
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 1: sorts of different players and creative ways on the in

892
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 1: the ground game. Where did that come from? Young Turner? Like,

893
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: you know, son of Norv Turner deserves better and I'm

894
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: sure he'll get another opportunity out there. We will. By

895
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,399
Speaker 1: the way, about the NEPO babies right now, you're hearing

896
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: all this Neppo baby stuff going on out there. Yeah,

897
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: and I'm not thinking his career is indebted fully to that.

898
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 1: But I think Scotty's gonna Scotty too. Hottie will land

899
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: on his feet. There are some NEPO babies out there,

900
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: but it's um. He also has done some things on

901
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: his own. You know, the NFL is rife with nepotis.

902
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 1: It's certainly to your point, Neppo babies all over this joint.

903
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 1: Let's see, let's see, let's see we have anything else

904
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: to add on ro Kuano by the way, or did we?

905
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: I think Mark came in. I'm not. I don't think

906
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: it's boring, and I understand we hit the Slien. Just

907
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: the Ravens excite me. I didn't cut Greg announced breaking

908
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 1: news to break away from real quansation. Yeah, okay, I

909
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 1: was just trying to get a feel button things up.

910
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 1: I can't, I can't. You guys are too dynamic. Uh.

911
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel said, the Dolphins head coach, that Teddy Bridgewater

912
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: could have played on Sunday. Okay uh dislocated pinky uh.

913
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: He suffered in weeks seventeen against the Pats, but they

914
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 1: went with um the kid. Why don't Skyler Thompson, who's

915
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 1: now I don't think he's saying like he was at

916
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: his full strength, but it was a pretty good indication

917
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: to me that Teddy has a strong a strong chance

918
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 1: to play this week as this though like it was

919
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 1: a win or die playoffs scenario. If there ever was

920
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: a time to put or die. Typically you could do

921
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: something poorly and then you do die. But where is

922
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,959
Speaker 1: any chance? And I know we talked up Teddy pretty

923
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 1: highly on the show. She hasn't done a lot of

924
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 1: in recent years, but he would have given them a

925
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: much better chance, I would think than Skylott Thompson, who

926
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 1: is not ready for this. But Fingertice it did not

927
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: look good for him throwing the ball. I don't know

928
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:56,839
Speaker 1: why you need to say that. If you're McDaniel, that's

929
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 1: a weird comment. But I like every a lot what

930
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 1: he says, so I'm going down that road. At the point,

931
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 1: he was close in his mind, and that I think

932
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 1: every time I saw him with the walkie talkie and

933
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 1: the aviators like I couldn't help but laugh. Really I

934
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 1: did enjoy that. He's He's what we thought. We thought

935
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: we would get two of those. We thought the other

936
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 1: would be Nathaniel Hackett and that turned not fun. And

937
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 1: about six and a half minutes into Week one, I

938
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 1: wonder if Hackett will, you know, sit, sit it out

939
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: a little bit, get back into the hip hop dance

940
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 1: classes like a ton of money? Why why are you?

941
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 1: Why go into anywhere? Yeah, all right, grow a beard Spanish.

942
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: Hey the Eagles, your Eagles, Connie, are not playing this

943
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: upcoming week, so I'm not going to dive deep on

944
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:43,399
Speaker 1: the Eagles. But I did think it was notable because

945
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: I wish I would have seen this on Sunday night.

946
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: We didn't see it and didn't get to it. But

947
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:51,800
Speaker 1: here's some sound of Sirianni Nick Sirianna talking about Jalen

948
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: Hurts on uh Sunday post game, about him, you know,

949
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 1: making his way through that Giant's game coming out of

950
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: it okay, even if he wasn't really okay, this is

951
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,240
Speaker 1: just something notable. I want to get on the record.

952
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 1: We didn't feel like there was more risk, but you know,

953
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: I know he was hurting, and he was hurting bad.

954
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 1: And uh, but that's the kind of a competitor that

955
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 1: he is, that's kind of the person that he is,

956
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: and the kind of teammate and leader that he is.

957
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 1: Um that he was able to go out there and

958
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,800
Speaker 1: stick and tough through it. I know he was hurting

959
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,800
Speaker 1: and then he doubles in it. He's hurting bad. And

960
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,839
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking to myself, after two weeks he comes

961
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: back and he was clearly less than got the dub

962
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: got that by there's just no guarantee, Connie, that he's

963
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 1: gonna be pent even after this by It's gonna help, obviously,

964
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 1: But I thought it was notable that he came out

965
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: and said how badly Hurts was playing in pain during

966
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: the Giants. If he was hurting so bad, why in

967
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 1: the world did he drop back forty two times? Like

968
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 1: they have the ability to run the ball and do

969
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 1: other things, and they just weren't employing any of those

970
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: concepts like and they needed to, and obviously they needed

971
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 1: to for couple of different reasons, like one to put

972
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 1: away the Giants who were playing their backups, but also

973
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 1: to preserve Jalen Hurts. Here, I didn't like it. It

974
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 1: was strange and he he did not play a great game. No,

975
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 1: it's worries. I agree. He talks about it on the

976
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 1: Power Rankings podcast. That interception in the third quarter was

977
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 1: one of the worst decisions I've seen him make all season.

978
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: And they played a very conservative game plan to avoid

979
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 1: making Jalen hurts. Get him in positions where he could

980
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,319
Speaker 1: take hits. That. I get all that, So I don't

981
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 1: make too much of the fact that they only had

982
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 1: one touchdown or it's more got called back for a

983
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: really bad call an a legal man downfield. Come on

984
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: the next place. I wouldn't tell whoever your opponent is.

985
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: I wouldn't let anyone know that you're starting quarterback is

986
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: hurting anywhere. He's fine, he's great, because let's really emotionally,

987
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: everything's great. It's a lower body or upper body injury.

988
00:52:55,360 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 1: Right a right, Okay, howie mother, it's a good be

989
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 1: a good Catholic. Just bury it all inside that organization, right,

990
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 1: all right. Brandon Cooks wants to be traded. F y.

991
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,359
Speaker 1: I we knew that over in Houston. Everybody wants out

992
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 1: of Houston. Uh, he doesn't want to be part of

993
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 1: a rebuild. Well, you better not be in Houston. Uh

994
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 1: and finally, um, well not finally, Penultimately, I love it.

995
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:28,760
Speaker 1: I love it. I know this this interest people because

996
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: he's gonna always be asked about him. But Zach Wilson

997
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: UH spoke to the media and was asked how he'll

998
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 1: handle competition, knowing that it's coming to the Jets quarterback

999
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 1: room in you said, you're a competitor. So if they

1000
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 1: come to you in March and say, look, we're gonna

1001
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 1: keep you, we like you, we're going to develop you,

1002
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: but we're signing veteran X to be our starter, which

1003
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 1: to me, I'm gonna that is life hell and practice

1004
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: every day, you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna go out

1005
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 1: there and do my best to just show the coaches

1006
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 1: that I deserve to be there. And you know, and

1007
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 1: it's not it's on in a negative way. It's a

1008
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,760
Speaker 1: positive way. It's making everybody else you know, better hopefully,

1009
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 1: and you go out there and you just attack every

1010
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 1: single day. He's just a baby's younger. What he needs

1011
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 1: a beard? What a change by the way that that

1012
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 1: sound by compared to what things were entering a training

1013
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 1: kid in print versus hearing him say it. It's kind

1014
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: of as like like in print, it's like, why did

1015
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: you say that? Just don't say that it sounds inflammatory.

1016
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 1: But then here I'm saying, it's just like a nice

1017
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: little kid. Yeah. What it reminds me of. It reminds

1018
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 1: me of like Tim Tebow joining the Jets, saying like

1019
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:34,879
Speaker 1: competition is gonna make us all better. I'm gonna work

1020
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 1: and make Mark iron sharp and iron. The real story

1021
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 1: that people should pay attention to coming out of Jersey

1022
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:45,439
Speaker 1: yesterday was that Quinnin Williams, the best player on the Jets,

1023
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 1: arguably a pro bowler and potentially an All Pro. Um

1024
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: he Um said, I'm not going to be heading to

1025
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 1: voluntary workouts unless I get my new contract. He wants

1026
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: to be the highest paid defensive tackle in the sport,

1027
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 1: and the Jets do not have a great track record

1028
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:03,919
Speaker 1: of taking care of their own stars. Get this one right, Joe,

1029
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 1: or you're gonna have a problem with me. Finally in

1030
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 1: the news and Rich Eysen, I mean, and the two

1031
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 1: people that you don't want to mess within the world

1032
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: me in the face. Finally, and this is good news,

1033
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: great news to marrow Hamlin Bill's safety back in Buffalo,

1034
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 1: so he gets out of the hospital in Cincinnati, out

1035
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 1: of the I see you. He's got all of his

1036
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 1: mental functions, he's speaking, he's he's still recovering though, so

1037
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 1: he's still getting hospital care, but he's back in Western

1038
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 1: New York. So great news on tomorrow, Hammon. This could

1039
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 1: not as bad as things were a week ago Monday.

1040
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 1: They could not be in a better place than they

1041
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:49,879
Speaker 1: are right now. The doctors from the UC Medical Center,

1042
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 1: I feel like I have now gotten to know them

1043
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 1: from watching the press conferences, and really I just want

1044
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 1: to say that I feel like they're America's doctors now.

1045
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 1: Where the uh the hamblin Jersey is just like saying

1046
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:07,399
Speaker 1: thanks than I mean, I was like, that's too much. Yeah,

1047
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 1: I mean, just like it could have gone in so

1048
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 1: many directions, and I'm glad that it quickly got here.

1049
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:17,280
Speaker 1: For the bills, for Buffalo, for football, for everything, especially

1050
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: for tomor Hamlin. I mean, just like I couldn't. I

1051
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 1: think we're in the best possible Rerailm at this point

1052
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 1: beautifully said that's it. I think you're totally the listener

1053
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 1: caught up. And if you're just finishing now the Sunday

1054
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 1: Night recap, you can now roll into this episode and say, oh,

1055
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 1: it's only it's a tight sixty. We did it well,

1056
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 1: we're disciplined. We'll be back on Thursday. And Thursday is

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Speaker 1: an important episode that you cannot miss because it is

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Speaker 1: our super wild Card weekend preview breaking down all those games.

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Speaker 1: And again, if you want to go see us at

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Speaker 1: the Bourbon Room in Hollywood Secondary Market. And I would say, um,

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Speaker 1: keep saying that as if like there is how can

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Speaker 1: you find it? How do you how do you know

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Speaker 1: your kids college funds? Nothing should be off limits in

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Speaker 1: terms of finding a way into that any family finances

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Speaker 1: that might be hanging in the balance. So I think

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Speaker 1: my my little girl's gonna need braces. She'll be fine.

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Speaker 1: Of generations what lived without braces, they were fine. Who

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Speaker 1: needs teeth? You don't even need? Well, her teeth are

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Speaker 1: going to be there. They just may not be a straight.

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Speaker 1: But you will be at the Bourbon Room for the

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Speaker 1: A T N Homecoming show. If you guys want to

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Speaker 1: get under an hour, you should wrap it up right now. Okay,

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Speaker 1: why do you you don't think this is an essential conversation? No,

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Speaker 1: I just like, do you have a goal of actually

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Speaker 1: coming in or does it not matter around like one

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Speaker 1: more new horizons keeping eye up. We'll also we're going

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Speaker 1: to continue yes to track this week new horizons Thursday

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Speaker 1: coming up. Mark, I'll give you the final word, goodbye.

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Speaker 1: It was beautiful as that THELA just like that, breaking

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Speaker 1: news you all right till Thursday. He the call