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Get started now sign up. 10 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: Please use the promo code Colin so they know we 11 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: sent you. Please use the promo code Collins c O 12 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 1: L I N FanDuel Sports Book App. Sign up. This 13 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: is Prime Cuts, the best of the Colin Coward Podcast. 14 00:00:54,840 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: Unbelievable week for US The Athletics. Marcus Thompson, how the 15 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: underdog Celtics have taken control of the series, Chris mannox 16 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: cover the Celtics for years, Stop by our own Jason 17 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: Timp breaking down the matchups. All right, let's bring on 18 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 1: Marcus Thompson, Bay Area columnist for The Athletic. He's written 19 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 1: a book, K D. Golden about Steph Curry and the 20 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 1: current book Dynasties and the ten Goat Teams that change 21 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: the NBA Forever. As I said, I think he's as 22 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: good an NBA writer as the country has. Of the 23 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 1: many things. Peyton's dad played in the NBA, Kerr play 24 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: in the NBA, Steph playing in the NBA's dad, Clay 25 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: dad played in the NBA. Wiggins professional Athletes. His dad 26 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: played the NBA too, Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what's 27 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: fascinating with the Warriors. You can really hard coach them, 28 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: like I don't think you can. I mean, I see 29 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: the Lakers. You can't hard coach all those guys Ham, 30 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: But it's you're around the Warriors, like I think. I 31 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: think Kerr is on their ass a lot, and I 32 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 1: think they demand a lot. And maybe that's my interpretation, 33 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: but I think there's value. Dad played in the league. 34 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: Dad tells you the truth about this league, which is 35 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 1: you're gonna get. And by the way, I think those 36 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 1: dads like it because I think they don't want they 37 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: see their son making all this money and Dad didn't. 38 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: He's like coaching coach him hard. But I do think 39 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: the part of the Warriors culture is this incredibly deep 40 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: I Q eq from the dad, the mom on you 41 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: can just coach him differently. You know there is something 42 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:46,839 Speaker 1: to that, right, Like I think it starts with step 43 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: because if Steph was different, everything would be different. If 44 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: he's a superstar, if he acted a certain way, it 45 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 1: will be much tougher for everybody to fall in line. 46 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:00,040 Speaker 1: But because you can coach step right, like, because you 47 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: know he's mister mid major, like, coach get hard on him. 48 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 1: Remember his mother was finding him for turnovers, right like 49 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: his dad told them all about how it goes like 50 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: that kind of set the tone. But yeah, I mean 51 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: remember Michael Thompson will crochete at his own son at 52 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: the heartbeat, right He'll he'll point out when Clay's missing layups. 53 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: Can you imagine what Gary Payton has said to his son. 54 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 1: He imagine a tough love there. I do think there's 55 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: something too, not not just that they were former players, 56 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: but they're players from a different era where it's like, 57 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: my son can't be soft right now, not my son, 58 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: he can't. You're not about to be out here misrepresent 59 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: my generation and field, right. So I do think there's 60 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: something to that where it's like, hey, I know Clay 61 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: tooms to this from Rancho you know wherever he's from, 62 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: Rancho Set to Margarita or whatever. You know, they grew 63 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: up in these affluent environments. They've had, you know, nice lives. 64 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: The parents set them up, but they're not gonna be soft. 65 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: That that's not happening. That's where Gary Payne told this, 66 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: You're not you're not about to be I know you're 67 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: not from the hard stravel streets of Oakland, but you're 68 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: you're wearing that pain name. You better get out here 69 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,119 Speaker 1: and play hard. And they all, they all do kind 70 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:17,119 Speaker 1: of have that right like Steph will never stop coming 71 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: at you ever. And he went to Charlotte Christian this 72 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 1: is he from the right side of the tracks, right, 73 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 1: But I do think their fathers kind of put that 74 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: in of that nineties basketball and who's who's more nineties basketball? 75 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 1: To Steve Perrer, like he fought Michael Jordan, he will 76 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: fight all of them dudes, right, Like remember what Mike 77 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 1: Brown Steve Kerr called like COVID and Mike Brown had 78 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: to fill in, and there were moments where it was 79 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: like here's where you miss Steve, because Steve will call 80 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 1: a time out and cuss the whole team out. Right, 81 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: Steve will Steve will call out Steph for the turnovers. 82 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: He will go off on Draymond, whereas Mike Brown is like, 83 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna trust that these guys figure it out. 84 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: And that's where you kind of really felt Steve Kerr's 85 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 1: inpact you don't care about like your phill is. He 86 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: gonna tell you what it is, he gonna call you 87 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: what you're wrong. He gonna get on his superstar and 88 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:07,919 Speaker 1: when he wrong, he's gonna call it. But he doesn't 89 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 1: care about that. That dude played with Michael Jordan like 90 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: he ain't worried about he worried about the fielage of 91 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 1: his players. Sure, yeah, you know, it's what happens in 92 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 1: sports is we tend to overreact. And it's always been 93 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: inches not feet. I mean, outside of the Rams Super Bowl, 94 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 1: Brady could have lost all of them or he could 95 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: have won all of them, and so it's it kind 96 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: of is reasonable. He should have lost a couple of 97 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,919 Speaker 1: close Super Bowls, right like as whereas Jordan, I always 98 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: felt his team was really better. So if the Warriors win, 99 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 1: I feel this Warrior team is a little just a 100 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:52,599 Speaker 1: year too young. Moody kaminga with a couple of their players, 101 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 1: and then they're a little too old Steph Clay Iggy. 102 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: But yet they're just so buoyant, they're so smart. They're 103 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 1: there they you know what I mean, they just keep 104 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 1: they don't they get them perfect the media, they just perfect, right, 105 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: So they just they're just um, they just kind of 106 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: figure shit out, right. And but it's interesting if they 107 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: lost this series, yeah, there'd be a change made, even 108 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: for a franchise that doesn't overreact. And I'm thinking, if 109 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 1: let's say they lose the series Clay doesn't play well, 110 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:32,840 Speaker 1: what do you do. They got a lot of young 111 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: they got a lot of young players that are really interesting, 112 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: and they're getting really expensive with their old players. I've 113 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: everybody says, you can't break them up, and I'm like, 114 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: you know how many times I've heard that. Shit. You 115 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 1: lose a title game and you have four expensive stars 116 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 1: and one of them doesn't play well, people overreact. I don't. 117 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 1: I don't know that they do this time, because I 118 00:06:54,720 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: don't think the expectation was a championship. So they're already 119 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,840 Speaker 1: in the sense playing with house money, you know. I 120 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: think from that standpoint, they thought they'd be good again. 121 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: If they lost in the West Finals to Phoenix, say right, 122 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: Phoenix was the best team in the league before Dallas 123 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: like exposed them. I feel like they look at this 124 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: and say, all right, we're back. I mean, they went 125 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: from not making a play into the West Finals. But 126 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: then you gotta the thing that I may that gives 127 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: them patience, right, it gives them a chance to have patience. 128 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: Is the money that chick in Like the new money 129 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: won't kick in until the next season, not this next season, 130 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: but the one after that. That's when George Booze money 131 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: would kick in. And that's the big money you're talking about. 132 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: And also, if if Clay finishes the series not playing well, 133 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: Draymond finished the series not playing well, what could you 134 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: get for them on the market. The best thing you 135 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: might be able to do is run it back and 136 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: hope Clay in his second year will be more healthy. 137 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: It it'll just be it'll be tough to move them. 138 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: But I do feel like from all the time that 139 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: I've heard this season reminded them or what's confirmation? I 140 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: think it when the championship agin even if it's not 141 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: this year, they're back in the mix. So now you're 142 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: running back next year, right, you got Wiggins in the 143 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: contract year. You know, even if you resigned Pool, that 144 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: wouldn't kick in for two years. So like, financially, they 145 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: still basically in the same situation. The question becomes how 146 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: do you add what you need? Right now? If they 147 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: lose the finals, it's like, yo, you need to get 148 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 1: some rein protection, right, you can use another wing, Like 149 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 1: how do you get that? And that's where you need 150 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: the rookies to advance. So they kind of are in 151 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: a situation where I don't know it would benefit them 152 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: if they overreacted, like who's the player they can go 153 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: get that's better than what they have, So they might 154 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: be well positioned. The question is what happens in two 155 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:54,199 Speaker 1: years or if they decide to re up Wiggins. Right now, 156 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:57,199 Speaker 1: you got Wiggins getting new money and George Pool getting 157 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: new money and you still got Steph making fifty play forty, right, Like, 158 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: didn't numbers get crazy? But do you see the numbers 159 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 1: they're raking in. They just guaranteed a fifth game, a 160 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: third game in this playoff series. So that's that's four 161 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: series with at least three games at the highest ticket 162 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 1: prices we've ever seen, so money ain't a thing they like. 163 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 1: It's like Joe Lacob is like in that video with 164 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: Jay Z and Jermaine Dupre with the top down screaming 165 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:26,199 Speaker 1: out money and a thing you know you can at all, 166 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:31,199 Speaker 1: but somebody in the photoshop Joe Lacob in that in 167 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: the drop in the convertible with Jay Z and Jermaine Dupri. 168 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: Is your relationship different from staff to Draymond? Is it? 169 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: Is it? Like? Do you everybody? I have different personalities 170 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: with different people, right, Like like is your personality? Is 171 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: your relationship different with those two? Oh? Yeah, no question. 172 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:54,319 Speaker 1: First off, Steff is like a global icon, right, So 173 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 1: it's like it's like you get two minutes with the president. 174 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:00,319 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You feel like I'm a 175 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: big West wing guy, right, Remember, like if it would 176 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 1: be like it would be like people holding up whole 177 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: bills right in Congress and their answer is then just 178 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:11,439 Speaker 1: give me two minutes with the president, right and then 179 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: all right, that's all you wanted. I could have got 180 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 1: you that, right, That step is on that level right 181 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: to where sometimes forgetting because I've known him for so long, Right, 182 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: it's like, you know, this dude is huge, like he's 183 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: a global icon, so that that's different from that way, 184 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 1: whereas Draymond is like definitely like holding next door, right, 185 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,439 Speaker 1: Like you can talk to Draymond, you can talk back 186 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:34,959 Speaker 1: to him, right, you could. You can argue with Draymond 187 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: and you can do that steff with Steph if you 188 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:40,079 Speaker 1: get to him. He's just such a major, huge icon. 189 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: But they're both incredibly down to earth, so right, Steph 190 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 1: is hilarious, Like he's always dogging me in press conferences, 191 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 1: like he's funny, he's he's cool. Draymond is like you could, 192 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: you could be a Draymond can go to target, you 193 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like Draymond is one of them 194 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: dudes who can just kicking and target and talk to 195 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: everybody because he's so persutable. Yeah, no, I he is. 196 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: You know, when I started the volume, I think all 197 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: companies need a moment a break, And I built this 198 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,079 Speaker 1: volume thing where it's it's a year and a half hold, 199 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:15,199 Speaker 1: but I've been working on it for two and a 200 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:18,439 Speaker 1: half years, and Draymond was our big break. Like we 201 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,559 Speaker 1: knew he was going to be good, but he was 202 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: so much. He's such a grinder and he's just he's 203 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:28,839 Speaker 1: such a great example for the rest of our podcasters. 204 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,439 Speaker 1: I'm like, he's our biggest star and he's our hardest worker. 205 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: And it kind of speaks to his second round draft selection, 206 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: his Michigan State car, no question. I mean, look, his 207 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: game is his podcast game, same thing, no question. That dude. 208 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: Sometimes I have to like stop and think about it. 209 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:50,959 Speaker 1: Like I remember when he was getting drafted and he 210 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:52,599 Speaker 1: thought he's gonna be a first round there in the 211 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: second round, he was still there. I remember he was 212 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 1: like the chubby dode a tweeter, like what he's grown 213 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: to become. And I think the part, the part that 214 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: always gets missed just how smart he is, right, like 215 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: how he figures things out. And he always seems to 216 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:12,599 Speaker 1: like play chefs while everybody else is playing checkers. So 217 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:14,559 Speaker 1: you kind of feel like, man, his dude will be 218 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: able to do anything because he's got the IQ to 219 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: figure it out right. And half the time when he's 220 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: doing his thing, like he knows what he's doing. He 221 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: knows what he's saying exactly, yes, like calculated from this 222 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:32,439 Speaker 1: like algorithm. And did you see with Jalen Brown he 223 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:37,079 Speaker 1: just moved his feet just up the torso to be 224 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:40,719 Speaker 1: a pain in the ass. Yes, just like Grays that 225 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: calf sweat all up against them. Absolutely, yeah, he knows. 226 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,079 Speaker 1: I'm telling you. I remember this from back in the 227 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:49,079 Speaker 1: day when it was Blake Griffin and the Clippers, Like 228 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: he knows exactly what he's doing, like and he does 229 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,079 Speaker 1: get out of control, but it's far less than what 230 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 1: people think. It's often more calculated. Like he's he's super smart. 231 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: Like that's the thing about Draymond. He's so smart he's 232 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 1: going to figure it out no matter what. And then 233 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: he's gonna talk crazy once he's figured it out. Because 234 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:13,559 Speaker 1: it didn't look like he was gonna figure it out. 235 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: It's all part of the plan. Like I've seen him 236 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: literally like set himself up because he knows I'm better 237 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 1: when I got to prove my points or I'm better 238 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: when I gotta I gotta show you, right. So like 239 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: that dude is like he's he's a bit of a 240 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 1: genius of that sense, especially like yeah, he's I mean really, 241 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,559 Speaker 1: it's like wild with Rodman. Rodman had some of that, 242 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 1: but he wasn't a catalyst offensively, and there were times 243 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 1: with Roden where he just lacks certain personal self control. 244 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 1: I think those moments for Draymond are very very brief. 245 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: There a second he gets mad, but then he just 246 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 1: goes right back to being kind of the ultimate physical manipulator. 247 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 1: And also he like owns his stuff right, he doesn't. 248 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: He doesn't duff. You never hear him blair like he was. 249 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 1: He is the first one. I wasn't good in Game one. 250 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: Like Draymond, he is one of them dudes who kind 251 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: of you know, he's just telling the truth because he doesn't. 252 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 1: He's too smart to lie, you know what I'm saying. 253 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: It's almost like I don't need to lie because I 254 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: can figure it out. I don't need to get out 255 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: of it because I could figure out the situation. But 256 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: so he also owns it when he's not, when he's 257 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: not ready, or when he's not like on point, but 258 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 1: usually he's on point. 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So Chris Mannix, 291 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: long time NBA reporter, does it for Sports Illustrated senior 292 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: writer hosts the Crossover Pod, so we could only afford 293 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: his boxing pod. Hopefully we will accumulate Draymond Green's gonna 294 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: make us all rich, so then we'll be able to 295 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: afford the whole Chris Mannix package. Listen. Um, Yeah, this 296 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: is the simplest way to describe what I'm seeing. The 297 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 1: Celtics don't even need Jason Tatum to play well to 298 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: control much of the series. The Warriors need Steff to 299 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: be great for four quarters or at least three, or 300 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: they're done in this series. The role players, the non starters, 301 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: the non stars for the Celtics are contributing mightily in 302 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: this series, and the Warriors many of their young players. 303 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: Moody's not ready, Kaminga is not ready, Wiseman's not healthy, 304 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 1: Pools hit and miss. I said this today on television. 305 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: Most not all, but most championship teams have a majority 306 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: of their best players in their prime. Celtics do. Warriors 307 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 1: don't little old, They're little young there. I think it's 308 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: that simple. I think the fact that Boston can control 309 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 1: the series and Tatum has been okay, I kind of 310 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 1: feel like the Warriors are doomed. Am I overreacting? No? 311 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 1: I don't think so. In look, I picked the Celtics 312 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: to win in six to start this series because everything 313 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: I've seen from Boston, and I've been up close and 314 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: personal with them since the start of the season, but 315 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: everything I've seen from Boston from late January on suggests 316 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: that they're the real deal. I mean, if you look 317 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 1: at the numbers from mid January to the end of 318 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 1: the season, they weren't just the best defense in the NBA. 319 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 1: They were the best defense in the NBA by a 320 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 1: country mile. And we mentioned the top, they're generationally good defense. 321 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 1: And to your point, they don't need Jason Tatum to 322 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 1: go off to put up between one hundred and five 323 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: and one hundred and fifteen points. They need Tatum to 324 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: contribute in other ways. They need him to be a facilitator, 325 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: which is something that Emai Yudoka has drilled into him 326 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,880 Speaker 1: really from the start of the season. But as long 327 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 1: as he's contributing in that way, they don't need to 328 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: him to be a carry the team type of offensive 329 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: player because they do have a wide selection of weapons 330 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:45,880 Speaker 1: they can go to. I mean, Jalen Brown I thought 331 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 1: in Game three set the tone in that game. I mean, 332 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 1: he was the one out there being aggressive early on. 333 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: Jalen's the kind of guy Colin that he heard and 334 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:59,959 Speaker 1: read every single thing that was out there about Draymond 335 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: Green locking him up in game two, about the way 336 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: the Warriors pivoted to Draymond on Jalen and the impact 337 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 1: that had on him, and he came out looking like 338 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 1: he was determined to show that he was better than that. 339 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: On top of that, Al Horford more the player that 340 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 1: scored the twenties in game one, that scored the two 341 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 1: points in Game two, Grant Williams started to make a 342 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 1: couple of shots. Peyton Pritchard made a couple of shots. 343 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 1: The margin for error for Boston is just a lot 344 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 1: wider than the margin for error with Golden State. You know, 345 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 1: Clay had a great Game three, but I'm not banking 346 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 1: on Clay playing like that the rest of this series. 347 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: Everything I've seen of Clay this postseason tells me that 348 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: when he's left alone for standalone jump shots, he's the 349 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 1: old Clay Thompson. When he's asked to play on the 350 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: move or run off screens, he is a diminished version 351 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 1: of himself because my body's not all the way back 352 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: from those lower leg injuries. So you know, Steph is 353 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 1: now hurt with what he says, the same injury that 354 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:06,919 Speaker 1: cost him what like a month plus towards the end 355 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: of the season. Maybe a little bit better than what 356 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: that was. I just think Golden State is in a 357 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 1: world of trouble to where it's the point where if 358 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: Boston wins Game four, I think they win this series 359 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: in five. Yeah, So I'll throw this at you. So 360 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: email Duku comes into the Celtics and they have a 361 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: really bad first two months, and you don't always see that. 362 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: In football coaching, sometimes Sean McVeagh goes with the Rams. 363 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 1: It works instantly with Jared goff So, but in basketball 364 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: is different for some reason. Spolstra Lebron Way, that took 365 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 1: like twenty games to get it right. You were there? 366 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 1: Why were they so bad early? Yeah? I was there, 367 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 1: and over the weekend I spoke to email Adoka on 368 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: the phone for about twenty minutes about this specific subject, 369 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 1: and we talked about the resist distance that he faced 370 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:05,920 Speaker 1: from these Celtics players early on to two specific things 371 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:11,400 Speaker 1: that he was trying to implement. Defensively, they play very 372 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: differently from how they played under Brad Stevens. The way 373 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: this team switches. Only a handful of teams in the 374 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 1: NBA do it, largely because if you don't have a 375 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: point guard that can switch in the way that Marcus 376 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: Smart can switch, there's no point in doing it. And 377 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: the Celtics for the last ten years they have often 378 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: or always really had a lead guard who has been 379 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,919 Speaker 1: a defensive liability, whether it was Isaac Thomas, Kyrie, Irving, 380 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: Kemba Walker, you had to hide that player. So the 381 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 1: Celtics they were transforming their defense in training camp to 382 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:50,120 Speaker 1: become something totally different, to the point where Emay told 383 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: me that Jason Tatum came to him in the first 384 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:54,399 Speaker 1: week at training camp and saying, you know, maybe this 385 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: isn't gonna work, Maybe we should go back to some 386 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 1: of the principles that we used in previous seasons. Emay's 387 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 1: message just stick with it, stick with it, and force 388 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 1: them to stick with it. The other part on the 389 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: other end of the ball was that, you know, Emay 390 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 1: he had a bird's eye view of these Celtics for 391 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: the last two years. He was an assistant on Brett 392 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: Brown's staff when they lost to Boston the Bubble. He 393 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 1: was an assistant on Steve Nash's staff when they beat 394 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: them in the first round. He knew what this team needed, 395 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: and what this team needed was for Jason Tatum and 396 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: Jaylen Brown to stop being so focused on being one 397 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 1: on one players and become playmakers, to embrace that part 398 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 1: of the offensive game. It was funny calling you go 399 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 1: back even further to when Emay was introduced as the 400 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,880 Speaker 1: Celtics head coach. He's sitting up there next to Brad 401 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: Stevens and somebody asked him about improvements and he may 402 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: specifically sights that the Celtics were twenty seventh in assists 403 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 1: in that previous season. It looks over Brad kind of 404 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: sheepishly and it's like, sorry, Brad, sorry I had to 405 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: say it, but we need to approve in that area. 406 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 1: So he knew what this team needed to do to 407 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 1: get better. It just took them months to figure it 408 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 1: out and to really embrace it. They weren't truly bought in, 409 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 1: probably until after the first of the year. There were 410 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: flickers towards the end. Remember that Phoenix game on New 411 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: Year's Eve where they just blew the doors off the Suns. 412 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 1: They were moving the ball really well there, but it 413 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: wasn't until mid to late January where it all started 414 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 1: to coalesce and they completely bought it. One thing he 415 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: did that surprised me that worked was his tough love 416 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: paid off. I mean, I do TV in Boston as 417 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 1: well for NBC Sports. I do the pre and postgame show, 418 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: and I can't tell you the number of times I 419 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: sat on that desk after bad losses, watching an Emay 420 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 1: press conference and then responding to it after he had 421 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 1: just taken out the blowtorch and napalm. These guys like 422 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: he was hitting them hard. He wasn't you know Brad Stevens. 423 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: His philosophy, as days with many coaches in the NBA, 424 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: was to take it all on him. It was the 425 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: coach's fault. I made all the mistakes, it's not the players, 426 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,159 Speaker 1: because he believed that was in the best interest of 427 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,439 Speaker 1: the team. Emay didn't do that. Emay just went out 428 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 1: there and specifically cited guys who weren't getting the job done. 429 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 1: I remember thinking, this is never gonna work. Like a 430 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: coach with no resume to speak of a first year 431 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 1: head coach on any level blasting his team in the 432 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: way Emay is is never gonna work. But it turns 433 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 1: out that's exactly the kind of coaching that these Celtics 434 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: craved and exactly the kind of coaching that they ultimately 435 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: responded to. So it was, you know, and look at 436 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: a quick example, Robert Williams is playing in this series 437 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: right now because Emai Udoka spent the first two months 438 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: of the year and even before then into training camp, 439 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 1: finding nine hundred ways to call Robert Williams soft to 440 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 1: basically imply that Robert Williams in years past did not 441 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: play through Paine at as much as he as he 442 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,640 Speaker 1: should have. Fast forward through this season, there's a toughness 443 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:09,120 Speaker 1: to Robert Williams that simply did not exist in previous years. 444 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: And that's what's enabling him to go out there on 445 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 1: one leg a month, coming back a month after knee surgery, 446 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: and give them twenty twenty five good minutes every single night. 447 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,120 Speaker 1: That's a direct result of the tough love Emailodoka show. 448 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 1: I think what happened to Brad Stevens is he smartly 449 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 1: realized they were tuning him out. He had a player 450 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 1: two that didn't just didn't connect with him, and he 451 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 1: realized this is not the time. That was my takeaway, 452 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 1: as he's a smart enough guy, got self awareness. He's like, 453 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: you know what, I think. Quinn Snyder feels the same way, 454 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 1: Like I'm just running in circles here. I can't figure 455 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: out the Gobert Donovan Mitchell issue. I can't solve this 456 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 1: jigsaw puzzle. Let's get a former player in here. No. 457 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 1: I think when it comes to hard coaching, you have 458 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: to read the room, right. I mean Brad Stevens for 459 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: his entire time in Boston, I viewed him as a 460 00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: top ten coach At times. I felt he was a 461 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 1: top five coach in the NBA. His play calling, his 462 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 1: understanding of basketball is at an elite level. But as 463 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 1: he got towards the end, it certainly I don't know 464 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: if his voice was being drowned out or tuned out, 465 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 1: but it wasn't having the same impact. The players were 466 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: not responding in the way they responded early in the 467 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:23,159 Speaker 1: careers of Jason Tatum, Jalen Brown, and Marcus Smart. And 468 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 1: to Brad Stevens credit, he didn't go out there and 469 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: find someone that he could connect with or relate with 470 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 1: on a personal level. He went out there and found 471 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 1: the anti Brad Stevens. He found a coach who was 472 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 1: philosophically and in terms of coaching background completely different. Emayodoca 473 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,880 Speaker 1: ex player, never been a head coach on any level, 474 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:49,159 Speaker 1: long time assistant, defensive minded guy as he was in 475 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 1: his previous two stops in Brooklyn and in Philadelphia. He 476 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 1: found a guy that could give this team something that 477 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,640 Speaker 1: he couldn't. That's one of the biggest reasons the Celtics 478 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 1: are there right now, are here right now. And I 479 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,399 Speaker 1: agree with you on Quinn Snyder. I think it's the 480 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: exact same type of situation. I don't know if a 481 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 1: new coach is going to be able to come in 482 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,679 Speaker 1: and elevate that team to a Celtics like level. There 483 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: are just too many flaws with that roster, beginning on 484 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 1: the defensive side. But I do think they would respond 485 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:26,120 Speaker 1: better to a different coach than Quinn Snyder. So as 486 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 1: I'm prone to do, let me pat myself on the 487 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 1: back here. I said earlier in this series, you is 488 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: my witness. I said, believe it or not, I think 489 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 1: Robert Williams is the key to the series. He's not 490 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 1: the best player, he's not a top three or four player, 491 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 1: but he had the biggest plus minus when you put 492 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 1: him in the game between the injections, the offensive rebounds, 493 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,640 Speaker 1: the rejections and the offensive rebounds, and he shuts down 494 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: any interior scoring. So Boston had better paint, scoring, more blocks, 495 00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,199 Speaker 1: thirteen or fourteen offensive rebounds, And generally, if you got 496 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 1: a series, you think it's Tatum or Brown or Curry, 497 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 1: and they're better players. I think the size I think 498 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:11,920 Speaker 1: Robert Williams. I think he's a complete, utter disruptor to 499 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: the interior scoring to the Warriors, and he reduces them 500 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 1: to a three ball shooting team, and as good as 501 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 1: they are. If Boston scoring in transition, down low and 502 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 1: on jump shots, and you can only score offensively deep 503 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:32,199 Speaker 1: as good as Clay was, I think if Robert Williams 504 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: gives you twenty six minutes or up rest of the series, 505 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: I think Boston's the better team. Your thoughts. Most importantly, 506 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 1: Rob Williams just played a much better game than he 507 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 1: had been playing earlier in the series. As well. He 508 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: looks a lot more immobiles the wrong word, but just 509 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 1: he looks banged up. In the first couple of games 510 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: a little bit. He was doing some silly stuff too, 511 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: where he was roaming too much off a Kevon Looney 512 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: and getting kind of lost and giving up stuff on 513 00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 1: the back end. I thought he just played a really 514 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 1: sharp game on both ends of the floor. He was 515 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 1: much more He was much more focused and intentional about 516 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 1: where he was supposed to be on the defensive end 517 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 1: and then on the offensive end. You know, big guys 518 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: typically muck up spacing, but there are two ways that 519 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: you can counter that. One is what's called vertical spacing. 520 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 1: So if you're a great jumper around the rim that 521 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: can catch lobs, that helps. But the big one is 522 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 1: offensive rebounding, and he got a bunch of huge offensive rebounds, 523 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 1: just crashing the glass relentlessly with his size and athleticism. 524 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: As a team, Boston, you know, Colin, we talked about 525 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: this after Game two. We both said, you know, Golden 526 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: State won the physicality battle in the second half, but 527 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 1: we thought as long as it's stayed that style of 528 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 1: game throughout the series, it would actually favor Boston because 529 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 1: they're just simply the bigger and stronger team, not just 530 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: on the perimeter, but under the basket as well. Yeah, 531 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: I mean, there's a couple of things we just have 532 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 1: to own. Warriors are gonna win the third quarter, and 533 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 1: Boston's gonna have bad six minute stretches even in wins. 534 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 1: They're not. This is not a beautiful offensive team, and 535 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 1: when they're playing a disruptive defense like Golden State, they 536 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 1: just got baked in. We just they're just going to 537 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 1: have these moments. But and I had said this probably 538 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 1: two or three weeks ago on Fox on FS one, 539 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 1: I said, they're so good defensively when they have these 540 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: horrible six minute, seven minute stretches. The Celtics, do you 541 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: know they trail by eight, you know, Miami's got a 542 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 1: little bit of that that Miami. You know, Miami, I 543 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 1: don't think's nearly as good as Boston because Tyler hero 544 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 1: is such a limited player defensively, but Boston has the ability. 545 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: They know they can get ugly, but they just play 546 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 1: so hard. They protect the rim and okay, you're down seven. 547 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 1: You know, so much of this sport and the Warriors 548 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 1: dynasty is about these great runs, and I think a 549 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 1: lot of what Boston does well is just limit your 550 00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 1: runs mostly. But to your point, Buston has ugly basketball, 551 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 1: like they do stuff and you're like, oh, this is 552 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 1: just not But you know, if you look at the 553 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 1: history of the NBA, I've been watching it since the 554 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 1: early seventies, there's been a handful of great teams. The 555 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 1: Showtime Lakers, Warriors, MJ's Bulls, a lot of our champions, 556 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 1: Jason have been really flawed teams. They've had overachievers, they've 557 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 1: had one star. And I kind of feel like that's 558 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 1: what Boston is. They feel like good enough to win 559 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 1: a championship. They're gonna need health. Robert Williams have to 560 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: be healthy. I think they're gonna need another big game 561 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 1: from Marcus Smart you know, I had Warriors in six. 562 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 1: I don't feel as good about it. The Celtics are 563 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 1: minus three and a half in Game four. I probably 564 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 1: take the Warriors plus the points, but I don't know 565 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 1: if the Warriors win. I feel like with Robert Williams 566 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 1: looking much more dynamic tonight, I think that's just that 567 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 1: is a dilemma. Don't think it's a solvable issue for 568 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 1: the Warriors. Since the Brooklyn series. They haven't had many 569 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 1: consecutive good performances. I'd say probably Game six. In Game 570 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 1: seven against Milwaukee was their best example of that. But 571 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: they pretty consistently after having a great performance go back 572 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 1: in the next game and lose sight of the things 573 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 1: that went well for them and have issues. You pointed 574 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 1: out that that Boston is a flawed team. A nine 575 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 1: hundred percent agree, and generally speaking, though, the flawed teams 576 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 1: that end up succeeding have overwhelming advantages in other areas 577 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 1: of the game. So, for instance, the twenty twenty Lakers 578 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 1: were a bad half court offense team. They were bad 579 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: in the regular season, they were bad throughout the bubble 580 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 1: stretch before they got into the playoffs, but they just 581 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 1: had these two incredible mismatches in Lebron and ad and 582 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 1: they were a dominant defensive team and they rode that 583 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 1: wave to the championship. And guess what, no one ever 584 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 1: really cared that their half court offense wasn't great. This 585 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: Boston team, like their physical advantages on the perimeter, like 586 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 1: we talked about in Game two, have caused Golden State 587 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 1: to make an adjust st that has really hurt them 588 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 1: around the rim. They had to because their guards are 589 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 1: too small. They had to pull Draymond Green out to 590 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 1: guard Jalen Brown in the bench line up in the 591 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 1: second quarter, they had to have Draymond Green guard Jason 592 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 1: Tatum when Andrew Wiggins was out. So like they're in 593 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 1: this predicament where they had to take their best back 594 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 1: line defender. They're best rim protector because Mooney's an okay 595 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 1: rim protector, but he's not in the same stratosphere as 596 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 1: Draymond Green. But because they had to pull him out 597 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: to the perimeter to guard these guys, he's not there 598 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 1: helping on the back line either. So it's like a 599 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:35,480 Speaker 1: physical mismatch forced the Golden State Warriors to play a 600 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 1: defensive style of basketball that they have never played. Really, 601 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 1: when can you think like they never put Draymond Green 602 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 1: on Lebron as a primary defender, you know, like that's 603 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 1: that's because they just had the luxury of having these bigger, 604 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,960 Speaker 1: stronger wings like Andrea Gudala, right and and Harrison Barnes. 605 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: But because of the fact that Otto Porter Junior is 606 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 1: just a touch too skinny and isn't laterally quick enough 607 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 1: to stay in front of people, and because Gary Payton 608 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 1: the second is just a touch too small, and because 609 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 1: all the other wings they have, like Moses Moody and 610 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 1: Jonathan Coming are too young to throw into the fire 611 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 1: in this situation. They're kind of stuck in this predicament 612 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 1: where they just simply don't have the physical matchups necessary 613 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:15,880 Speaker 1: to contain these big Boston forwards. And again, Colin Boston 614 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 1: did not play overly well tonight. And that's that's the 615 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,320 Speaker 1: wild part there. I don't know what to expect in 616 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,799 Speaker 1: Game four. This Boston team has been the most unpredictable 617 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 1: team that I've watched in this playoff run. But I 618 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:29,719 Speaker 1: wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they came out 619 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 1: and dominated them again in Game four. So I take notes. 620 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,800 Speaker 1: You know, I have scratches all over paper, and so 621 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 1: I go quarter by quarter, and this is what's really 622 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,360 Speaker 1: good news. This is would be disturbing if I'm a 623 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,800 Speaker 1: Warriors fan. Here's who I mentioned in the fourth I 624 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:52,799 Speaker 1: have four notes Marcus Smart Banks in A three eighty nine, 625 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:58,719 Speaker 1: Grant Williams dot dot dot thirteen offensive rebounds for the Celtics, 626 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 1: Rob Williams now for rejections, Marcus Smart hitting shots twenty two. 627 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,839 Speaker 1: I don't mention Tatum. I don't mention Brown. I'm talking 628 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 1: about role players like that would be like a kin 629 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 1: to me saying for the Warriors, Jordan Poole in the 630 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:25,719 Speaker 1: fourth quarter, Kavan Looney gets big shot. No, you need 631 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:31,240 Speaker 1: staff so Boston in the fourth quarter, Grant Williams, Robert Williams, 632 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,800 Speaker 1: Marcus Smart. I don't have Tatum down. I have Tatum 633 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,360 Speaker 1: all over the third. But what it tells you is 634 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:45,839 Speaker 1: Boston's role players or non stars. I guess Marcus Smart 635 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:51,360 Speaker 1: kind of is they're crucial, Whereas I think that some 636 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:55,760 Speaker 1: of those players for the Warriors are liabilities. That feels 637 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 1: like a thing to me right now. Absolutely, and like 638 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:01,840 Speaker 1: to even take it a step further, call in like 639 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 1: there's gonna be a game in this series where Marcus 640 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,480 Speaker 1: Smart isn't turning the ball over all over the place, 641 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,040 Speaker 1: Like as much as he shot well, at the end, 642 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 1: he was like he made some very, very very painful 643 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 1: mistakes throwing the basketball all over the court that led 644 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 1: to run out dunks and layups for the Warriors. Jalon Brown, 645 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,480 Speaker 1: who was dominated at the beginning of the game, wasn't 646 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 1: super aggressive down the stretch. Jason Tatum, who's great down 647 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 1: the stretch, wasn't great for the first three quarters. There's 648 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,400 Speaker 1: a version of this Boston attack where all of these 649 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 1: guys play well. And if that happens in Golden State, 650 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:34,400 Speaker 1: like let's say it's in a Game five when the 651 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,919 Speaker 1: series is three one, where it's two two, like, there's 652 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,840 Speaker 1: a version of this Boston team that can hit a 653 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,719 Speaker 1: ceiling that they haven't hit yet in this series. And 654 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,879 Speaker 1: most importantly, I thought Boston had some adjustments that were 655 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 1: in their back pocket that they hadn't gone to yet. 656 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 1: This was something that we also talked about on the Favorites. 657 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,720 Speaker 1: You know, generally speaking, when you're looking at a playoff series, 658 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 1: you want to look at what is available as an option, 659 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,319 Speaker 1: right Like when you're looking at the Warriors, and you're 660 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 1: looking at their shortage of bigger wings, You're like, Okay, 661 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:06,040 Speaker 1: our next best option is Moses Moody, like a young 662 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,760 Speaker 1: kid to throw in this environment, that's not a great option. 663 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 1: But Boston just has this long list of options that 664 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,799 Speaker 1: they could go to, and they have so much defensive versatility. Callin, 665 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,680 Speaker 1: check this out. One thing they were getting killed by 666 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,760 Speaker 1: in the first couple of games is the staff Draymond 667 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:21,960 Speaker 1: high pick and roll. And because they were unable to 668 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,480 Speaker 1: guard it, well, guess what they did. They put Jason 669 00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:28,560 Speaker 1: Tatum on Draymond Green, and they put Al Horford on 670 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,239 Speaker 1: Andrew Wiggins. How many teams can put their center on 671 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 1: your wing and their wing on your center. And what 672 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 1: they did is they just started switching that high pick 673 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:37,160 Speaker 1: and roll. And you know, I don't know if you 674 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,239 Speaker 1: saw the stat, Colin, but Draymond Green is like top 675 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,600 Speaker 1: ten all time and assists in the finals. Did you 676 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:46,360 Speaker 1: see that? Yeah? And a huge and a huge reason 677 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,120 Speaker 1: why that's the case is because teams double steff on 678 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 1: those pick and rolls and then Draymond Green is such 679 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,000 Speaker 1: a good passer coming out of that. Kevn Looney is not, 680 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,600 Speaker 1: and so they were unable to run their high pick 681 00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,800 Speaker 1: and roll because Jayson Tatum was on Draymond. It's just 682 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,799 Speaker 1: a simple little adjust man that caused them a bunch 683 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:06,279 Speaker 1: of problems. There's just more cards in Boston's deck that 684 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,880 Speaker 1: they can play as this series plays out than Golden 685 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,800 Speaker 1: State has. Golden State's chance to win is basically hoping 686 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,279 Speaker 1: that Boston will vomit all over themselves and they will 687 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 1: execute smartly like the veteran team as things progress, which 688 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:38,480 Speaker 1: by the way, might happen, but that's their hope. The volume. 689 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,320 Speaker 1: Make sure to check out The Draymond Green Show. I 690 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,680 Speaker 1: brought Draymond Green into the volume because one of the 691 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:52,240 Speaker 1: more entertaining voices in sports. 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