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Speaker 1: a man, I'm forty. I've heard so many players say, well,

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Speaker 1: Whoo whoom? And now Dan and Tie.

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Speaker 2: Danner mustee welcome back. We just did this like twenty

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Speaker 2: four hours ago. We're doing it again.

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Speaker 1: How are you? I'm good. So let's see. We did

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Speaker 1: a Saturday stream for a game, and a Saturday night

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Speaker 1: the College Football Playoffs selection show, and then Friday, I

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Speaker 1: want to say, we did a bonus recording that's on

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Speaker 1: dot com. About the Matt Campbell hire. That's right, So

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Speaker 1: I'm going at it. That's right. I can't get a night. Tie.

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Speaker 2: My voice yesterday morning sounded like Kirk Kerbstreet's voice yesterday afternoon.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it was rough, Yeah it was rough.

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Speaker 2: I was drinking a lot of the tea with the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we've got a lot to discuss.

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Speaker 2: I mean, of course, go back and listen to the

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Speaker 2: bonus episode, the bonus audio that you and I recorded.

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Speaker 2: It's out there on your podcast feed. It's out on

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Speaker 2: YouTube as well. Sort of a two parter this past weekend.

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Speaker 2: Part one was what we normally do at midnights where

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Speaker 1: But there's a bunch of news that's been building up.

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Speaker 2: He said two things at his introductory pressor that to

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Speaker 2: Pretty excited about the uniform game that we're going to

440
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Speaker 2: see on display. Like Two Lane's got some of the

441
00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:36,760
Speaker 2: best home away in alternate jersey combinations in college football,

442
00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,520
Speaker 2: and to have that sort of under the bright.

443
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Speaker 1: Lights of the College Football Playoff is pretty cool. I'm excited. Well,

444
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,880
Speaker 1: it's a it's a baby blue rematch. It is, obviously

445
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:50,080
Speaker 1: Oh Missus shade of baby blue and Two Lane's shade

446
00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,280
Speaker 1: of I think Two Lanes a little bit lighter. I

447
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,760
Speaker 1: wouldn't count on Ty hilden Brandt to point out the

448
00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,920
Speaker 1: specifics on shade. You could tell me it's red, I'd

449
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Speaker 1: believe you. I have no idea. Ty has made ab

450
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 1: D plus eye awareness. I can't see color, so right,

451
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,320
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like you're I don't know what part of

452
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 1: is your retina's whatever it is. It's yeah, but you're

453
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 1: right that this should be even though it's a rematch

454
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Speaker 1: on the football field for a game. I don't think

455
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:18,720
Speaker 1: not many people and only a lot of people wanted

456
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Speaker 1: to watch forty five to ten Part two after what

457
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Speaker 1: olemiss did to them earlier this season. Obviously, Tulane had

458
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:28,240
Speaker 1: a very good year. Otherwise, it's a great uniform matchup. Absolutely.

459
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Speaker 2: And then on the assistant front, Dan, Yes, you already

460
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,159
Speaker 2: mentioned that Syracuse hired a new defensive coordinator. But there

461
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 2: are a couple other coordinators that are out and about.

462
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Speaker 1: Yes, there are. Brent pry is coming back, Baby, I

463
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:46,640
Speaker 1: love this so much. Brent. Two of these right, It's

464
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Speaker 1: Brent Priy and we have Zach Arnett Mississippi State.

465
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Speaker 2: Brent Prye is coming back as defensive coordinator for Virginia Tech.

466
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Speaker 2: I had heard a couple other names attached to that one,

467
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:05,400
Speaker 2: and never once was Brent probably ruled out of that conversation,

468
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:09,120
Speaker 2: which I found odd at the time, but sounds as

469
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 2: though he kind of parted ways on decent enough terms

470
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Speaker 2: with Virginia Tech.

471
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Speaker 1: He liked the area.

472
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Speaker 2: I think a lot of people liked him. But it's

473
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Speaker 2: I saw what it was floating around online.

474
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Speaker 1: It killed me.

475
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 2: The clip of George Costanza walking back in after he

476
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,959
Speaker 2: had been fired, after he quit the day before and

477
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 2: acting as if nothing happened. That's essentially what we're getting

478
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Speaker 2: here with Brent Priye. He's coming back at it, going

479
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 2: to be coaching the defense one of the things, and

480
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Speaker 2: again fact check me.

481
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Speaker 1: I could be totally away off here, but I want

482
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Speaker 1: to say I saw this in a couple of different

483
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 1: places that one of the things Brent Prye did really

484
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Speaker 1: well at Virginia Tech was sort of mend fences locally

485
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 1: with a lot of high schools in the state of

486
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:54,160
Speaker 1: Virginia that justin Fwente did not do a terrific job

487
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 1: reportedly in terms of relationships and recruiting and stuff like that.

488
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Speaker 1: And what Brent Pride did with Virginia Tech was almost invaluable,

489
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Speaker 1: even though the results weren't there on the field. That

490
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 1: Virginia Tech's network has sort of regenerated in the high

491
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 1: school ranks, and obviously they're going to be very portal

492
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Speaker 1: heavy for the next year or two and just getting

493
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Speaker 1: the floor up at Virginia Tech to where James Franklin

494
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 1: wants it to be. But if you have somebody like

495
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Speaker 1: that in the fold and relationships internally seem to be fine,

496
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Speaker 1: Like you mentioned with Brent pry it's weird, it's novel,

497
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 1: it's unorthodox, but fired coach new role, Okay.

498
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Speaker 2: I mean, if James Franklin is basically able to reconstitute

499
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Speaker 2: some version of his Penn State operation at Virginia Tech.

500
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Speaker 1: It's a home run.

501
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Speaker 2: Sure that in and of itself would be a home

502
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:45,399
Speaker 2: run in Blacksburg because they needed that. And now they're

503
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,879
Speaker 2: renewing their investment in the football program. What was the

504
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 2: number something on like two hundred and twenty nine million

505
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 2: dollars maybe more that they're going to inject into the operation.

506
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Speaker 2: So look, there's there's a lot of reason, I think

507
00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:00,360
Speaker 2: to be optimistic about where this goes. And just look

508
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 2: at the ACC this year, look at the ACC last year. Right,

509
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 2: you could build a program quick in the ACC, you

510
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 2: can make some serious Hey, you can do it, and uh,

511
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 2: Franklin's gonna try. So he's keeping Brent Pryor around. You

512
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 2: mentioned the Zach Barnett thing at Mississippi State. He is

513
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 2: coming back in the folds. I got another one of

514
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 2: these situations. He wasn't his way fired. He wasn't just

515
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 2: fired this year as Pride was, but alas we're going

516
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 2: to have that happen. We've got Buster Faulkner, the offensive

517
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,639
Speaker 2: coordinator from Georgia Tech who's going to go to Florida.

518
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 2: They have also made a hire at defensive coordinator, Brad

519
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 2: White gonna come down from Kentucky.

520
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,400
Speaker 1: Yes, two good amount of success. Yeah.

521
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,920
Speaker 2: Buster Faulkner was a name that was floating around many circles,

522
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Speaker 2: many openings. Brad White has obviously been very, very good

523
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,640
Speaker 2: for a long time up at Kentucky. So that staff

524
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 2: down at Florida taking form for John Summrell. We've got

525
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 2: Joe Rossi retained as defense coordinator up at Michigan State

526
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 2: for Pat Fitzgerald, their new coach. We've got a new

527
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator at Kentucky, Joe Sloan, coming over from LSU.

528
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Speaker 2: He is being hired now by will Stein, the new

529
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 2: head guy at Kentucky, to run that offense. I'm curious

530
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Speaker 2: to get your thoughts on that one, because Joe Sloan

531
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Speaker 2: was very much sort of a boogeyman at LSU with

532
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 2: the way the offense had played recently under Brian Kelly

533
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 2: made a change at that position. But will Stein, an

534
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 2: offensive mine familiar with the state of Kentucky.

535
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 1: He is tabbing Joe Slan to be his dude. Right, Look, Joe,

536
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,439
Speaker 1: if you want to spin it positively, Joe Sloan was

537
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: Jaden Daniels. I think quarterbacks coach, the quarterback coach at

538
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: LSU when he won the Heisman and helped to develop

539
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 1: into the first round talent and successful NFL coordinator, successful

540
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,679
Speaker 1: NFL quarterback that he is now. Look, when you have

541
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Speaker 1: will Stein as your head coach, you might also have

542
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Speaker 1: will Stein as your office coordinator. And Joe Sloan might

543
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: just be handling quarterbacks more than anything. And maybe and

544
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,199
Speaker 1: certainly he'll be game planning and helping to design the

545
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: architecture of the offense. But I would suppose that this

546
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 1: is going to be a will Stein offense more than anything.

547
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:14,919
Speaker 1: I don't know if they've is that a good thing

548
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 1: about calling plays? Wi? Willstein's offense at Oregon has led

549
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 1: the nation in EPA the past three years. And I

550
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:28,360
Speaker 1: think will Stein exclusively or at least not exclusively because

551
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 1: I don't think Dante Morris be a Heisman finalist but

552
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: had two Heisman finalist quarterbacks Nicks. Is it leading the

553
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: nation because of the talent on hand or because of

554
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: the scheme. There's a lot of schools that have talented

555
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,959
Speaker 1: players that are nowhere near first in the country in EPA,

556
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 1: including LSU. With Joe Sloan's right a lot of talent

557
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: on that offense. Didn't sniff that. So yes, I think

558
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 1: it's one thing to acquire talent, it's another thing to

559
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 1: develop it and then game plan and execute in games.

560
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: Did so in the Big Ten, a major conference. So

561
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Speaker 1: I don't think you can make any sort of case

562
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: that will Stein is an average offensive mind. He's I

563
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: think he's excellent Oregon and we'll see what they do

564
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,640
Speaker 1: in this year's playoff with will Stein calling the offense

565
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 1: ahead of us, with the you know, potential first round

566
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 1: quarterback talent and Dante Moore they've got, They've had a

567
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 1: really really good offense, and I think in the SEC

568
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: and where Kentucky is in the financial commitment that they

569
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: seem to be giving will Stein, they're going to be

570
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: able to find more Wandale Robinson's best case scenario, right

571
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: that you're going to be able to look at what

572
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 1: Oregon did. You're gonna be able to sell what will

573
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: Stein did at Oregon developing quarterbacks and receivers and offensive

574
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 1: lineman whatever, that he is going to be able to

575
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: find guys to succeed at Kentucky in a way that

576
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:49,239
Speaker 1: Kentucky hasn't seen consistently ever in the modern era, so

577
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: I think it's a good thing. Well, they've had the

578
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: same coach there forever and it's always been a little

579
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: bit more defensive minded, so it'll be nice to see

580
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: what they can do on the offense side of the

581
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: ball with Gully will Stein first big job. Obviously he's

582
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: been a big place, but I'm curious to see how

583
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: this shapes up around him again. Joe Sloan gonna be

584
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: the OC.

585
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 2: And the only other the only other one I have

586
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 2: here in terms of coordinators, you have one other one

587
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 2: that I want to discuss after this, please, But Ryan

588
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 2: Silverfield made a higher as Ron Roberts of Ron Roberts

589
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 2: to be his new defensive coordinator at Arkansas. So bear

590
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 2: in mind this is an Arkansas team that did not

591
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 2: play defense for two years running. No, and I know

592
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 2: this is a higher in particular that Arkansas fans were

593
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 2: interested in.

594
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: Which direction is he going to go? He chooses Ron Roberts, Yes,

595
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: I mean the sort of SEC institutional knowledge given his

596
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: recent time at Auburn and Florida I think is pretty good.

597
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: Since Ryan Silverfield's institutional SEC knowledge is limited, I don't

598
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: think Ron Roberts, given you know, the ups and downs.

599
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: I think he's older as well. Maybe you can fact

600
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: check me on that. I don't think he's a long one,

601
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: long term guy. But in terms of like setting up

602
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: the infrastructure of like an average SEC defense, an up

603
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: and down SEC defense, you could do worse only fifty

604
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: eight years old. Oh Okay, it's not that way. It

605
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 1: just sounds like an old guy. Ron Robert. And he's

606
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: also been everywhere. Yeah, he was a tailor with Dave Randa.

607
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, for a long long time. Yeah, he's at Florida

608
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago. Over the last two years,

609
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 2: I should say, last two seasons, sort of came in

610
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 2: and supplanted Austin Armstrong, right, that ended up being more

611
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 2: of a Ron Robbers job and.

612
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 1: Had a very good reputation at Louisiana as well.

613
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they're getting somebody with a bit of a

614
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 2: track record, and I think if you're an Arkansas fan,

615
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 2: the reason we put it down on the sheet is

616
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 2: because we know that obviously defense has been a primary

617
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 2: concern now as they enter this new territory with Ryan

618
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 2: Silverfield the other name here that I want to bring up.

619
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Speaker 2: We don't talk a ton about offensive line coaches but

620
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 2: this is one that I think has real relevance. Nebraska

621
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 2: has fired Don of in Riola. Yes, their offensive line coach.

622
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 2: The last name sacked him, if you will, ty sacked him,

623
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 2: thank you. Yeah, the last name sounds perhaps familiar to

624
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 2: those of you listening at home. He is related to

625
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 2: Dylan Royola. He was one of the main reasons why

626
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 2: Dylan Royl is there. So if you want to play

627
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 2: a little bit of like jump to conclusions, does this

628
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 2: mean Could this mean that Dylan Royola is also going elsewhere?

629
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Speaker 2: That seems to be the smoke as of late.

630
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I understand why it's the smoke. I

631
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: don't know if he did the like the always terrifying

632
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 1: cleared all of his social media of all references to Nebraska.

633
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: I have no idea, but obviously this you know, Dylan

634
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: Roola was somebody whose recruitment was sort of all over

635
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: the place in terms of commitments I think with Ohio

636
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: State and Georgia before Nebraska. His high school career was

637
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: sort of all over the place, so it wouldn't be surprising.

638
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: I can't speak with the authority about what he's thinking

639
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: in this moment, but the I think the Nebraska fans

640
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: sentiment was, we've got to sort of treat the offensive

641
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: line coach with kid gloves so we don't upset the quarterback.

642
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: And so if the quarterback's already upset and perhaps thinking

643
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: about his future, the change it offensive line coach seemed

644
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: kind of necessary if his last name were, you know,

645
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: Freedman or something. So they've they've quickly, you know, made

646
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: a move. I think they hired Georgia Tech's offensive line

647
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: coach is a jeep. Way does I he pronounce it

648
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: geep jeep? I always get confused by the geep. And

649
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: they also hired a new defensive coordinator after a pretty

650
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: disappointing defense this past year under John Butler. They hired

651
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: was it rob Oric Orich from San Diego State. Yeah,

652
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: so they're they're being very proactive, which I think good

653
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: for Nebraska because even quarterback and injury aside, there were

654
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Speaker 1: a lot of rooms in that house for improvement.

655
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's such a because I know you and

656
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 2: I differ a little bit on our opinion of Dilan Royola,

657
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 2: but he was done no service by his offensive line.

658
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 2: The offensive line now both years with him as starting

659
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 2: quarterback has just been dreadful. So it's really tough, and

660
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 2: I know that there's frustration in the Nebraskan community. They

661
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 2: were never truly able to see Dilan Royal was sealing it.

662
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 2: At least they haven't yet. Now maybe he'll stay. I

663
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 2: you know, I'm not privy to anything. It seems though

664
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 2: that the writing is on the wall that he might

665
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 2: be headed elsewhere. So if he ends up hitting the portal,

666
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 2: that would clearly be a big name that I think

667
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 2: would get a lot of an interest from places around

668
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 2: college football that might be looking for a quarterback. And

669
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 2: you know, it's literally every program that might be looking

670
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 2: for a quarterback would probably be interested in Dilanroola because he.

671
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: Definitely has a lot of role tiels that are exciting.

672
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: He has a first round arm, there's no question about

673
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: that for sure.

674
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 2: So where he ends up, if he does go in

675
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 2: the portal, that will be something that we cover here.

676
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 2: But yeah, with relation leaving the program as offensive line coach,

677
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 2: perhaps the writing is on the wall there.

678
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: You could, by the way, you could just see watching

679
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: Nebraska this year offensively that we've talked about seeing ghosts

680
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,359
Speaker 1: right when coverages are confusing for certain quarterbacks and they're

681
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 1: throwing it into areas they thought would be clear and

682
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: there's three dudes fighting over the interception, or they're not

683
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 1: throwing it there because they think dudes were there. There

684
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: was something about watching Dylan Royola and his footwork that

685
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 1: even when he had a clean pocket, he almost felt

686
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 1: like a ghost pass rush, that there was something that

687
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,879
Speaker 1: he felt hurried up, even in times he didn't need

688
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: to feel hurried up. And that's just because of the

689
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: scar tissue. I think he developed, like the emotional scar

690
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: tissue behind playing behind a line that was pretty disappointing

691
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: at times, and so it just it led to such

692
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: an a rhythmic offense that it just felt like they

693
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: needed somebody new. I'm glad they found somebody that hopefully

694
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,879
Speaker 1: can improve things. And whether it's Dian Royola, whether it's

695
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: somebody else at quarterback, you'd like an issue to be

696
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: addressed after four years or whatever successfully. So hopefully this

697
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: is the guy. This is the year. I'm going to

698
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 1: move on here.

699
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,399
Speaker 2: I want to talk about something else, but before I do,

700
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 2: just an fyi. We kind of did a speed run

701
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 2: there of new coach hires, some of which we talked

702
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 2: about in greater detail.

703
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: Than others.

704
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 2: We also are going to be doing a coach only

705
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 2: show where we talk about coaches, and we talk about rumors,

706
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 2: and we talk about much of what went on on

707
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 2: this coaching carousel cycle that we've been on over the

708
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 2: last couple of weeks. Because obviously there's been a lot

709
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 2: to talk about, we want to make sure we give

710
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 2: it it's due. We're going to give its own show

711
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 2: here in short orders, so stay tuned for that, but

712
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 2: a little preview as to what's to come on that front.

713
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: And when we talk some playoff matchups. Sure, this New

714
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: Year's Eve will be so awesome.

715
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 2: As Dan Rubertstein, You're four first round matchups. We talked

716
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,800
Speaker 2: about him yesterday, I talked about him again. Now Oklahoma

717
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 2: squaring off against Alabama. They are playing host to that

718
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,959
Speaker 2: one in Norman. Alabama is a one and one half

719
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 2: point road favorite. We've also got Texas A and M

720
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 2: playing host of Miami. A and M is favored by four.

721
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 2: We've got the sixth seed, Ole Miss Rebels, a sixteen

722
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 2: and a half point home favorite over tu Lane. As

723
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 2: you mentioned earlier, they beat them forty five to ten

724
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 2: earlier in the year and last, but certainly not least

725
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 2: your Oregon Ducks. The five seed playing host on Saturday night,

726
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 2: December the twentieth to James Madison. The twelve seed got

727
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 2: in by virtue of Duke winning the ACC and all

728
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 2: that rigamarole. Can't let the five lost team in them

729
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 2: be a little bit weird, jam you going to be

730
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,439
Speaker 2: making the trip out to the Pacific Northwest. So those

731
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 2: are our first round matchups. Wanted to give ourselves a

732
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 2: little bit more of an opportunity to offer any early

733
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 2: thoughts we have on these matchups. We did again a

734
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 2: speed run of them yesterday we reacted to the playoff field,

735
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 2: but now with the benefit of about twenty four hours

736
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 2: to think through these matchups a little bit more. What

737
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 2: comes to mind with Oklahoma Alabama because this is the

738
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 2: game that they're going to focus on, the Friday night game.

739
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: Yep, solo shot.

740
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, so they get the stage all to themselves.

741
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 2: Last year it was Notre Dame against Indiana. This year

742
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 2: it's going to be Oklahoma Alabama. As I said, Alabama

743
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 2: favored by a point and a half. Bear in mind

744
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 2: that Oklahoma won this game a little bit earlier in

745
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 2: the year.

746
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, it's going to be an incredible

747
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 1: environment in Norman, and the focus is going to be

748
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:40,280
Speaker 1: on I think both of these offenses more than anything,

749
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 1: because there's not a lot to question with Oklahoma's defense

750
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: at this point now. They're pretty excellent. The schedule that

751
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 1: they played, the playmakers on all three levels, the results

752
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 1: that they got. You thank the defense because this offense

753
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,919
Speaker 1: is around the eightieth best in America. So I think

754
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: you're just sort of racing to twenty racing to twenty

755
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: four and hoping that that's I mean, you'll sort of

756
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: be pretty well assured that that's going to be good enough.

757
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,800
Speaker 1: Alabama's defense this year, by and large, has been excellent.

758
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: It just hasn't had to lead the way in the

759
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 1: way that Oklahoma's defense has had to lead the way,

760
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: and obviously that was highlighted with Oklahoma's very recent win

761
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: in this rematch matchup. So yeah, I think it's just

762
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: like in terms of maybe John Mateer's health in his

763
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: hand and taking some time to like watch more tape

764
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: because I don't know, if you listen to a lot

765
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: of Oklahoma fans, I think they like him a lot.

766
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: They're like, they like the spirit and the enthusiasm and

767
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,479
Speaker 1: the leadership of Jometier. But then like you watch games

768
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: from a higher angle and you're like, he's just missing receivers.

769
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 1: So hopefully this time is good for the game plan

770
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: and the reps in practice for Jametier to get time

771
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: and Alabama wise is just like figuring out their offensive

772
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: line ahead of Oklahoma, figuring out their game plan and

773
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: getting rid of the ball quickly as we saw Ty

774
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: Simpson being hounded and forced in mistakes and just sort

775
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,919
Speaker 1: of I guess it's this. It's sort of the time

776
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 1: for a reset. Who resets best in this matchup? I

777
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,760
Speaker 1: think is going to be a good focus.

778
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 2: When these teams played back on November the fifteenth, you

779
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 2: may recall, and in case you don't, I'm going to

780
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 2: remind you now one member of this broadcasting duo predicted

781
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 2: the exact final score, and that was me.

782
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, when you bet against Alabama weekly, you're just

783
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: going to start nailing things eventually, even if they're a

784
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: good team. This is one of those weeks which apparently

785
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: I've done. We had some folks already in that I've

786
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: bet against Alabama not to lose out right against my spread. Yeah,

787
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: against the spread a.

788
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 2: Good number of times this past season.

789
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 1: Now, we both had Oklahoma in that game.

790
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 2: To be clear, we had Oklahoma in that game twenty

791
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 2: three to twenty one was the final, and I remember

792
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 2: my big takeaway from it was just how much pressure.

793
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: Oklahoma got on Ty Simpson.

794
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 2: And if you think what has happened to Alabama now

795
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 2: now since that matchup back on November the fifteenth, it's

796
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 2: been a bunch of teams trying to dial up the

797
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,280
Speaker 2: pressure on him. I saw it from Auburn, We obviously

798
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 2: saw it from Georgia. These teams have proven rather successful

799
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 2: at getting to Ty Simpson, upsetting his balance a bit.

800
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 2: Alabama has not really been able to run the football

801
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 2: this year, so it's truly all in the arm of

802
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 2: ty Simpson. If you're getting to him, if you're upsetting

803
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 2: that rhythm, we've seen it a couple times now, you

804
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 2: can have some success. Even though Auburn didn't win, they

805
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 2: blitzed like every play. It felt like this seems to

806
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 2: be a bit of a template now that Oklahoma has

807
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 2: set since knocking off Alabama earlier this year, and I

808
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 2: would expect that we're going to see a lot of

809
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 2: the same stuff in this matchup. I have not seen

810
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 2: the big reset. Yet on the Alabama side, it's part

811
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,720
Speaker 2: of why I was, I don't know, more skeptical than

812
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 2: almost everybody about Alabama getting into this playoff field. Yeah,

813
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 2: so I think they're going to have their work cut

814
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 2: out for them to block what is going to be

815
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 2: a ferocious Oklahoma pass rush. That's the first thing they

816
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 2: got to deal with and where my mind goes first

817
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 2: with that, And secondly, I think you said exactly where

818
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 2: I'm leaning on the Oklahoma offense side. We haven't done

819
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,280
Speaker 2: the full research for this game. We'll do a preview

820
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 2: and all that, but snap judgment, Oklahoma's got to get

821
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 2: better on offense. They might be able to win this

822
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 2: game solely with defense, because I think they've established a

823
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 2: bit of a track record for that now against Alabama,

824
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 2: they know how to do it. But the deeper they

825
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 2: go into this thing, if they've got Indiana in the

826
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,240
Speaker 2: next round, you're.

827
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 1: Going to score some points. You're going to score some points.

828
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,320
Speaker 2: Now Indiana only need a thirteen to beat Ohio State,

829
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 2: maybe you don't need to score points. Maybe you can

830
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 2: get into a bit of a defensive slug fest. But

831
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 2: I just think that's a lot to assume when you

832
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 2: go up against what is otherwise a high scoring offense

833
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 2: in Indiana that you're just going to be able to

834
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 2: contain them to seventeen points.

835
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: Nice little Calvin Samson Bowl there by the way, Oklahoma, Indiana,

836
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: it is. I love connective tissue. You're totally right, totally

837
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 1: right that among the Power Conference teams in the playoffs,

838
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: So I guess among the top ten teams, Oklahoma's offense

839
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: is the worst unit on the field.

840
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 2: We'll see see where this goes. We got a rematch

841
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 2: Texas A and M. Miami is, for my money, the

842
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 2: most interesting matchup in round one. Okay, again A and

843
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 2: M favored by four points. This is in effect the

844
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 2: two teams beat Notre Dame.

845
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: Not in effect it is it just is yeah and

846
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: nbat I guess Alabama. Alabama beat Notre Dame just in

847
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: a more vague way, in a more vague way.

848
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 2: And then one back in uh, I don't know, early

849
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 2: part of the year, Week three, Week two, whatever it

850
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 2: was forty one botched extra point by Tyler Buckner.

851
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: On the Notre Dame side.

852
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 2: Miami won that one Week one against Notre Dame in

853
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 2: Coral Gables in Miami, twenty seven to twenty four. So

854
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 2: upon seeing this matchup, my first thought was I'm gonna

855
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 2: go heavy on Texas A and m I like the

856
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 2: fact that they're hosting a game. I think they've got

857
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 2: better balance across the board than Miami does. I also

858
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 2: want to be careful when I do my research to

859
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 2: not underestimate Miami, because Miami is very good along the lines.

860
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:25,240
Speaker 2: Miami has a bona fide playmaker and true freshman Malachai Toni.

861
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 2: They've got a veteran quarterback in Carson Beck who has

862
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 2: played in many a big game and will not be

863
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 2: prone to, like, you know, wilting in a matchup like this.

864
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: Wait, hold on, am I to understand you don't feel

865
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: like Carson Beck can wilt in a big game.

866
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 2: I know he can, but I don't think that is

867
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 2: my starting point when I talk about Miami.

868
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 1: Okay, So I think this is a dangerous team in

869
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: this tournament.

870
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 2: I think they are built from the inside out in

871
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 2: a way that makes them very viable to make a run.

872
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 2: I just like Texas A and m better in this way,

873
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 2: which is why I think I would lean Aggie's Do

874
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 2: you have a differing point of view?

875
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. My lean yet, because there are certain

876
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 1: arguments to be made that, like, the best playmaker in

877
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: this game is a Malachi Toni for Miami, although like

878
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,399
Speaker 1: the receipt, you can say Casey Conceptsion fits that bill

879
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: with what he does on special teams and at receiver.

880
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 1: So I'd be fine with that. If you want to

881
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: make the argument that Miami's defensive line is the best

882
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 1: unit in that game, I think I'm okay with it.

883
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 1: If you want to make the argument that what Mike

884
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: Elko does with this defense, especially in the second halves

885
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: of these games, is maybe the scariest element of this game,

886
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:42,240
Speaker 1: I'm okay with that, honestly. To me, like the underthink

887
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 1: express says, which quarterback has fewer diarrhea throws? Right? Diarrhea? Like?

888
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: Which quarterback? Where did you find that? What is that

889
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 1: clip from? It's Morgan Freeman and a drug commercial, A truebee?

890
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: I think that's what which one it was? Did? I

891
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: just say diarrhea throws because I could play that clip.

892
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: It's It's entirely possible. He played it the other day

893
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,720
Speaker 1: and I was saying, what is going on here? Okay? Anyway,

894
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: no it to me, it's just like, okay, a quarterback,

895
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: had a nightmare of a night and let three to

896
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: five throws get away from him, not necessarily interceptions, but

897
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:26,439
Speaker 1: three just like abysmal throws, and that ended up being

898
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,240
Speaker 1: the difference. I don't know who I'm describing between Marcel

899
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: Read and Carson Beck, who both have very high ceilings

900
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: and very low floors this season specifically, so that to

901
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: me is like who grows into the moment and who

902
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: wilts away in the moment. I think is going to

903
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: be a big factor here.

904
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 2: And you know, Marcel Reid, given his mobility, is a

905
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 2: huge X factor totally. He is a matchup nightmare, especially

906
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 2: when you get the best version of Marcel Reid. The

907
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 2: other thought I have about this matchup, and you know

908
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 2: it because it came up when we were talking about

909
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 2: Miami versus Notre Dame. Going all the way back to

910
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 2: that first matchup. A lot was made of the fact

911
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 2: that it was a ten carry thirty three yard performance

912
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 2: by Jeremiah Love. They did a pretty good job containing

913
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 2: Notre Dame's ground attack. Again, You've heard me argue many

914
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 2: times over it was a terrible game plan.

915
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 1: They didn't know what they had in CJ. Carr.

916
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 2: They definitely played it too close to the vest. But

917
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,919
Speaker 2: the game is over in Miami won right. This game

918
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 2: is going to be I think a really really good

919
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 2: test of the Texas A and M ground assault because

920
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 2: if they're not able to get it going on the ground.

921
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 2: Even though Marcel Reid has definitely improved as a passer

922
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 2: this year, and I think that's very evident if you

923
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 2: watch any of A and M this year, but without

924
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 2: that balance, I think it makes it much harder to

925
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 2: attack this Miami defense. Remember this is a really really

926
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 2: solid Miami defensive front. They know how to get after

927
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 2: the passer. If you can introduce something of a ground game,

928
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 2: if you can give the front, the guys behind them,

929
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 2: and the second layer of the defense something more to

930
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 2: think about, it makes the A and.

931
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 1: M offense all the more explosive.

932
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 2: And they do have explosive playmakers across the board, but

933
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 2: you got to get that ground game gone. They've been

934
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 2: good at it all year. This will be I think

935
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 2: a unique test for them, going up against the Miami

936
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 2: front that's been very very good by and large AA Instagram.

937
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, And also it should be noted that

938
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: like neither one of these teams has played incredible offenses

939
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: consistently this year. No so, no, they have these will

940
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 1: be some of the better offenses. Like Texas A and

941
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,280
Speaker 1: m had a stretch where like they're playing South Carolina,

942
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: they're playing a beat up Miszoo LSU was obviously a

943
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 1: nightmare of Arkansas good, but like Florida was a nightmare

944
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: this year, and same goes for what Miami saw down

945
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: the stretch by and large. And so this is this

946
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: is going to be obviously a raised ceiling environment in

947
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: terms of like the pop of both of these offenses.

948
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 2: And then we've got the six and the eleven, the

949
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 2: five and the twelve. Ole Miss playing host Tulane. Again,

950
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 2: we saw this game earlier in there forty five to ten,

951
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 2: was not particularly close.

952
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: No situation has changed at Ole Miss, new coach specific

953
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:03,720
Speaker 1: what happened.

954
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 2: A lot of distractions, right, I mean, there's a lot's

955
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 2: gone on since these teams played last not the least

956
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 2: of which is both coaches for both teams going elsewhere.

957
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 2: Even though John Sommerl is hanging around for this one,

958
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 2: and then on the Oregon JMU side did not play

959
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,240
Speaker 2: during the regular season. Bob Chesney's going to be playing

960
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 2: in the same conference, coaching in the same conference before

961
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 2: long as he makes the move over to UCLA. So

962
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 2: this is going to be his first taste of what

963
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 2: the Oregon Ducks provide.

964
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: This one will be played in Eugene.

965
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 2: Of these two matchups, take yourself out of like your

966
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 2: Oregon bubble for a minute, right, Of these two matchups,

967
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 2: which one to you is the most interesting of the

968
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 2: two matchups?

969
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 1: I still think it's two Lane ole Miss from what

970
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 1: of course, the narrative perspective of ole Miss and what

971
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 1: they look like without Lane Kiffen, all the drama that

972
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,720
Speaker 1: surrounded that program, and like, maybe this thing that helps

973
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: to galvanize ole Miss, right that, like everybody's writing them off,

974
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: including their own head coach who decided a few weeks

975
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: ago that he'd rather be elsewhere, which what, it's his prerogative.

976
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: That's fine. That maybe this is something that sort of

977
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: helps to bring this team together. And I mean Tulane

978
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: has a transitive ACC Conference championship, right, Tulane as a program.

979
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 1: Just did they win the Cotton Bowl like three or

980
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: four years ago? Right, they beat USC in like a shootout,

981
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: So I just the ceiling of this program, I think

982
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: is a little bit higher than James Madison, and given

983
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: the uncertainty about what exactly ole Miss is going to

984
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:43,399
Speaker 1: look like, I know we have the certainty of what

985
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 1: this matchup looks like when everything is sort of uneven.

986
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 1: Played during the regular season, ole Miss was five touchdowns better.

987
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: But at this point you can at least talk yourself

988
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: into Tulane being a better form team, albeit losing their

989
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 1: head coach. As you mentioned as well, that they've grown

990
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: into something after Look, Jake Retslav joined this program like

991
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 1: an hour and a half before the season started, so

992
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: he's had time to gel in this system. They won

993
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 1: the conference. They looked overwhelming on defense against North Texas.

994
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: It's North Texas, so I think that at least has

995
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: the higher potential for a competitive two and a half

996
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,839
Speaker 1: quarters before maybe all Miss runs away with it. That's

997
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: my view. I actually think the other game is more interesting. Okay,

998
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: tell me why to quote the Backstreet Boys. Tell me why.

999
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,919
Speaker 2: James Madison on defense is really intriguing to me. And

1000
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 2: if you watched the championship game the other night, you

1001
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 2: were undoubtedly left with a lot to be desired with.

1002
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 1: This Jamu offense.

1003
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it run the ball, but the offense was not

1004
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 2: I mean, I really wanted more from a team that

1005
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 2: I had talked up as a playoff participant. We did

1006
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 2: not see that. On defense. The defense came through in

1007
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 2: a really big way. This is going to be obviously

1008
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 2: a much different test for the Dukes going all the

1009
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 2: way up to the Pacific Northwest playing one of the

1010
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 2: best offenses in the country, the five seed Oregon. But

1011
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 2: one of the conversations you and I have had, I

1012
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 2: think frequently about Oregon is how much is real, how

1013
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 2: much is assumed? How good is this team really? They

1014
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 2: have been a whole lot of tests for Oregon. Right

1015
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 2: They struggled on the road at Penn State, at least

1016
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 2: down the stretch they struggled. They ended up winning that

1017
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 2: one in overtime. They obviously lost to Indiana.

1018
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 1: These are teams that we perceived to be much better

1019
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 1: than jmu oh. They struggled on the road against Iowa

1020
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 1: in the rain. That was a slugfest. Yeah know.

1021
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 2: There have been a couple of these moments for Oregon,

1022
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 2: in particular against teams that play defense, where you just

1023
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 2: sort of wonder, like, Okay, what are we in for

1024
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 2: here with this team? I am not saying JMU is

1025
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:01,359
Speaker 2: going to beat Oregon. I do not believe that. Maybe

1026
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 2: it's more a question of the point spread, but I

1027
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 2: think JMU is really feisty on defense, and at least

1028
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 2: that side of their game is not something to be

1029
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 2: too underestimated. I think, for at least a chunk of

1030
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 2: this game, and maybe it's only a half or half

1031
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 2: of a quarter, I don't know, but I think for

1032
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 2: some portion of this game, you're gonna see jmu's defense

1033
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 2: step up and maybe provide a little bit more resistance

1034
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 2: than might meet the eye. When you see five versus

1035
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 2: twelve and a twenty one point spread.

1036
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 1: Would you ager on James Madison to cover that? No?

1037
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 1: I would, I probably won't. Oh, to be fair, the

1038
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: question that you were asking is just like, what are

1039
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: you most intrigued by? What could what could be? Like

1040
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 1: a weird thing that could happen that goes against the

1041
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 1: assumption that Oregon wins and Ole Miss wins easily.

1042
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 2: So I mean, if I were betting on one of

1043
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 2: these two G five schools, it would almost certainly be

1044
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 2: two lane. Okay, it would one hundred percent be two lane,

1045
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 2: given the distractions at Old Miss, given what two lane

1046
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 2: does on offense with Jake Rehetzliff. I think it's a

1047
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 2: little too Retzliff heavy. Honestly, it looks a lot like

1048
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 2: his offense last year at BOU. I talked about this

1049
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 2: on the Recap show. But there's at least a familiarity there.

1050
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 2: Tou Lane saw Ole Miss. They know what they're in

1051
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 2: for here. Maybe they can use some of what they

1052
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 2: learned that first time around to make this one a

1053
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 2: little bit closer. And the fact that the point spread

1054
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 2: is under three scores is telling in its own right,

1055
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 2: given the fact that it was a thirty five point

1056
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 2: game the first time around. So Vegas given Tu Lane

1057
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 2: I think a little bit more respect than they are

1058
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 2: JMU at this point. Maybe they just think Oregon's way better.

1059
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 2: I don't know, but if I were wagering, I'd probably

1060
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 2: pick Tu Lane.

1061
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 1: I wouldn't go JMU.

1062
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,399
Speaker 2: I'm just interested in the JMU defense to see how

1063
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 2: it handles totally a Lamborghini like Oregon.

1064
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 1: I think I saw somewhere that Oregon's potential path to

1065
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 1: the National Championship runs through three of like the five

1066
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 1: best run defenses in America, just from a statistical standpoint

1067
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: in Texas Tech and I guess it would be what

1068
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 1: Indiana after if Oregon were to beat Texas Tech and

1069
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 1: James Madison. I looked at the offenses that JMU played

1070
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,839
Speaker 1: and what they were able to accomplish outside of playing JMU.

1071
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,360
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say JAMU is crazy inflated in

1072
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: terms of their defensive numbers, but because they perform like

1073
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: a good defense should perform against these offenses, I just

1074
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 1: think we're talking about a different level here, and I

1075
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 1: think Oregon we'll score a lot of points.

1076
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 2: What kind of cheesy motivational device is Dan Lanning going

1077
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 2: to use to get this team fired up to play

1078
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 2: James Madison.

1079
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. He tell you that, I don't need

1080
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: to motivate these guys. These guys are already motivated. It's

1081
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: the college who wall playoff, it's the opportunity to start

1082
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 1: a path to the national championship. I don't need to

1083
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:46,320
Speaker 1: bring extra motivation. But yes, they understand what the bracket

1084
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 1: looks like. They're playing the weakest team in this twelve

1085
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 1: team field, and the fact that they're playing at home.

1086
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 1: Like we kind of had this conversation a little bit

1087
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:58,919
Speaker 1: when Oregon played Liberty was at the Fiesta Bowl, Yep.

1088
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:02,359
Speaker 1: We're like, they get dealt the hand in the postseason

1089
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:04,760
Speaker 1: in a bowl system that not a lot of people

1090
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 1: feel great about. Go Irish talk about that next. It

1091
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: was it was one of the least motivating external situations

1092
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 1: we've had, right, Like, why would Oregon get up for

1093
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 1: Liberty in the Fiesta Bowl when they're, you know, in

1094
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 1: this as sort of a way to include more teams.

1095
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 1: They beat them, like fifty nine to seven. Right, that

1096
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 1: was an undefeated Liberty team playing from the Yeah, that

1097
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 1: wasn't even so I think whatever worked then with Bo

1098
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 1: Nix and all the guys that played in that game,

1099
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 1: Bucky Irving are gonna it's it's gonna work against James

1100
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 1: Madison with with actual real stakes on the line. Here.

1101
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 1: Speaking of other Bowl games again, we'll do a full

1102
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 1: preview for all of the first round College Fotball Playoff matchup.

1103
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 1: We'll do full previews for all of the games throughout

1104
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 1: the course of the tournament, and we are going to

1105
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: have a game out at for bowlers dot Com.

1106
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 2: Last year it was free for all. All you had

1107
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 2: to do was sign up as a paid or free member.

1108
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 1: We're going to do that again.

1109
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 2: We call it Bowl Bingo. I'm in the process of

1110
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 2: getting that spun up right now and built so that

1111
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:14,280
Speaker 2: we can send out notice to all of our people,

1112
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 2: So stay.

1113
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 1: Tuned for that.

1114
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 2: You're going to want to pay attention to all of

1115
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 2: these Bowl games. We may not start that game the

1116
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 2: first run of Bowl games, but certainly over the next

1117
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 2: week and a half two weeks or so, you're going

1118
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 2: to see a lot coming out about us playing Bowl Bingo.

1119
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 2: And it was a lot of fun last year. Here

1120
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:36,879
Speaker 2: are some of the other BOWLD matchups of note. Okay,

1121
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 2: I'm not going to read through all of these. We

1122
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 2: do have some new sponsors this year, which is always

1123
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 2: a lot of fun. But here are a couple of

1124
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 2: matchups that jump out to me. On December the twenty seventh,

1125
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 2: the Bad Boy Moers Pinchstripe Bowl features my once predicted

1126
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 2: National Championship game. Penn State is playing Clemson. They're just

1127
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 2: playing in the Pinch Stripe Bowl in the National Championship Game.

1128
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:05,360
Speaker 2: You gotta go, Ty Go, you gotta go go. Figure

1129
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 2: other interesting games LSU versus Houston. Houston is favored by

1130
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:12,760
Speaker 2: three points.

1131
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand that. Ninth little regional matchup as well.

1132
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 2: The RelA Quest Bowl another year, another really good matchup.

1133
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 2: Last year it was Michigan Alabama. This year it is

1134
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 2: Iowa versus Vanderbilt.

1135
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 1: Huh right, very elegible. Yep.

1136
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 2: Speaking of Michigan, they're going to the Citrus Bowl to

1137
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 2: cheese it Citrus Bowl these days. Squaring off against Texas.

1138
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 2: That's a big time blue blood matchup right there.

1139
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, you'd have to go all the way back to

1140
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four for the last time they played, right

1141
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: Quen you were as an ann arbor. But nevertheless, really

1142
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 1: good opportunity for I think Michigan more specifically to jump

1143
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 1: into twenty twenty six on a positive NOE. Texas probably

1144
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 1: disappointed they're not in the playoff, but as we'll get

1145
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 1: to I'm sure with a Notre Dame conversation, there's there's

1146
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 1: plenty of positive to take away from extra practices and

1147
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:08,439
Speaker 1: extra time together. The Music City Bowl Tennessee versus Illinois.

1148
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 1: Interesting matchup like that one. Sure.

1149
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 2: The Holiday Bowl now sponsored by Trust and Will I

1150
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 2: have no idea what that is?

1151
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 1: Do you no? Trust?

1152
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 2: And will Holiday Bowl Arizona against SMU should be fun,

1153
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 2: really fun matchup there, m hm.

1154
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 1: And then we get to the Pop Tarts Bowl. It's

1155
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 1: an estate planning app maybe true trust and will that

1156
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 1: makes sense. Yeah, what was the last one you said?

1157
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: Pop Tarts Bowl? Pop Tarts Bowl?

1158
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 2: Sure, this brings us back to Notre Dame. Notre Dame

1159
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 2: not playing in this game. It's gonna be Georgia Tech

1160
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 2: versus b y U b YU favored by two and

1161
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 2: a half points, So that in and of itself is

1162
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 2: a really good matchup.

1163
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 1: Pop Tarts pul got a good matchup there, depending who

1164
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 1: on the field.

1165
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 2: Yes, Pence is on the field. Obviously, that goes for

1166
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 2: all of these games. Yeah, but Georgia Tech versus BYU's

1167
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 2: good matchup. I'm excited about that one. By you should

1168
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 2: have the bulk of its players, if not all of

1169
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 2: his players playing in that game.

1170
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 1: Notre Dame opted out of the Bowl. Notre Dame opted out.

1171
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 1: Not the only team this season, right i Kansas State

1172
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 1: the only team to opt out.

1173
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:27,919
Speaker 2: That isn't going through a coaching change, but both Iowa

1174
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 2: State and Case State have opted out of their bowl

1175
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:30,479
Speaker 2: games as well.

1176
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 1: Notre Dame though definitely getting I think.

1177
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 2: A little bit more of the press on this. I'll

1178
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 2: be honest with you, It is not the best optics.

1179
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 2: It is not the best optics for Notre Dame and

1180
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:47,240
Speaker 2: Pete Bavaqua and this program as a whole to sort

1181
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 2: of just cast bull season aside. It definitely presents a

1182
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 2: sour grapes and I have a Notre Dame fan saying this,

1183
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 2: I am just as disappointed. I'm sure they are much

1184
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 2: more disappointed, being so they're in the building and I'm

1185
00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 2: not so I get that level of disappointment. Pete Levaqua,

1186
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 2: he did an interview earlier today. We're recording this on Monday.

1187
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 2: He talked with Dan Patrick about the process and the

1188
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:13,479
Speaker 2: second they find out that there was a gigantic rug

1189
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 2: pull and they're not going to be in the playoff,

1190
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 2: that's when the phone starts ringing off the hook with

1191
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 2: different bowl invitations and whatnot.

1192
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 1: And they put it.

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Speaker 2: Up to the team captains, and it doesn't sound like

1194
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 2: they wanted to play a game with.

1195
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 1: Guys who are backups.

1196
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Speaker 2: They didn't want to be out there a shell of

1197
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 2: their former self, and so it is what it is.

1198
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 2: They're not going to a bowl game. Honestly, I think

1199
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Speaker 2: the biggest news that came out of that interview with

1200
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 2: Pete Vaqua excuse me is that there is some very

1201
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 2: obvious tension now between Notre Dame and the ACC, and

1202
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 2: the stems from a whole multitude of things. But the

1203
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 2: ACC was not shy about lobbying for Miami. Miami, of course,

1204
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 2: is a full member of the ACC. Notre Dame has

1205
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 2: a special agreement, a partial membership agreement with the ACC

1206
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 2: where they play five ACC games year. Sounds as if

1207
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 2: that relationship is strained. Pete Bivaqua was said as much,

1208
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 2: what comes of this now? Or is anybody's guests? I

1209
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 2: have seen wild speculation out on the interwebs that they

1210
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 2: might sue the ACC based on the comments I heard

1211
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 2: from Pete bivaqu. Well, I'm not sure anything's actually going

1212
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 2: to happen. He's like, ah, we'll move past it. But

1213
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 2: the relationship is strained, maybe permanently damaged. What comes of

1214
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 2: this will certainly be fodder for the offseason. We are grateful,

1215
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 2: at least in that sense that we will have content

1216
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 2: to talk about. And Notre Dame always moves the needle

1217
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:49,439
Speaker 2: because you either love them or you hate him. Where

1218
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 2: this goes next, I have no idea, but Notre Dame

1219
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 2: is none too pleased with the fact that the ACC

1220
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 2: was out there politicking for the Canes. I think they

1221
01:01:57,200 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 2: ran the Notre Dame Miami game on loop for forty

1222
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 2: eight hours on the ACC hour or something like that.

1223
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, yeah, finish. I have some thoughts continue.

1224
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 2: So that that I think is at least partially the

1225
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 2: source of the tension here, if there is any that exists,

1226
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 2: if you believe Notre Dame's athletic director.

1227
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 1: Right, So, I mean, what do we know about like

1228
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 1: the timeline of this, Like did Notre Dame the night

1229
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 1: before like all get on the same page. If we

1230
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 1: don't make the playoff, we're just out? Was it an

1231
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 1: emotional decision? I think? And then sort of afterglow? Yeah,

1232
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 1: I think part of the animus here stems from the

1233
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 1: fact that obviously the ACC was out there politicking for Miami. Right.

1234
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:42,800
Speaker 2: But in addition to that, Notre Dame was led to

1235
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 2: believe for a month that they were in.

1236
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 1: I agree they were.

1237
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 2: Led to believe by this stupid weekly ranking show that

1238
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 2: they had proven all they needed to prove and that

1239
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:56,720
Speaker 2: they were safely in. They had talked about it in

1240
01:02:56,800 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 2: previous iterations of the Tuesday rank show that they were

1241
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 2: being compared to Alabama, not necessarily Miami. So everything that

1242
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 2: they had been led to believe was that they were

1243
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 2: going to get in.

1244
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:16,439
Speaker 1: Bye Tom dumb dumb. Those dudes are so dumb. You're

1245
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 1: just waiting for that one. Weren't shit? I was, I

1246
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:19,960
Speaker 1: was sitting You wanted to play it last time.

1247
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 2: I was for.

1248
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 1: Crouching Tiger, hidden audio dropper. You forgot about that one

1249
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 1: last time. You were upset that you didn't play I

1250
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 1: didn't play that when we were talking about the committee,

1251
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 1: and it hunted my dreams last night.

1252
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 2: But look, the committee, The committee made Notre Dame think

1253
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:38,920
Speaker 2: that they were in. And so I understand on a

1254
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 2: certain level if you're working this from the Notre Dame angle,

1255
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 2: they were told nothing but good things for a month straight.

1256
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 1: Right.

1257
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 2: The people that put these rankings together can lump ESPN

1258
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:54,919
Speaker 2: in there if you want to. They strung Notre Dame

1259
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:57,240
Speaker 2: along for a month. Do you blame them for being

1260
01:03:57,280 --> 01:03:59,440
Speaker 2: pissed that they did the rug pull at the eleventh hour? No,

1261
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:02,000
Speaker 2: I you know well, and he himself said, I understand it.

1262
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 2: They understand the argument for Miami, and some of the

1263
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 2: tension here that he gave voice to was not directed

1264
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 2: at any of the teams in the tournament. It was

1265
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:13,440
Speaker 2: more directed at the acc It was more directed at

1266
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 2: the process for picking the teams involved in the.

1267
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 1: College Football Playoff.

1268
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 2: I think, separate from Notre Dame sitting out the ball,

1269
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 2: whatever you feel from that perspective, what he gave voice

1270
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 2: to is what we gave voice to on this show

1271
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 2: and what a lot.

1272
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 1: Of other people have talked.

1273
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 2: Andy Staples wrote a long article on it over at

1274
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:35,440
Speaker 2: On three. Notre Dame was strung along through this process.

1275
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 2: They created drama whoever was in charge of this by

1276
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:43,520
Speaker 2: keeping Notre Dame ahead of Miami, only dropping small bread

1277
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 2: crubs along the way that maybe at the last second

1278
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 2: Miami could do something, something might occur that changes the

1279
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 2: committee's mind.

1280
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 1: They built up this drama, they.

1281
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:56,560
Speaker 2: Used Notre Dame to get people interested in that drama,

1282
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 2: and then they pulled a rug on him at the

1283
01:04:58,400 --> 01:04:58,920
Speaker 2: last second.

1284
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 1: I get why they're pissed. I'm pissed as a fan.

1285
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 2: So that, I think is where this conversation is going

1286
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 2: to go next from the Notre Dame side as it

1287
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 2: relates to both the College Football Playoff, the format in

1288
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 2: the future, and in addition, what their relationship looks like

1289
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 2: with the ACC, because there are other sports on the

1290
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:21,480
Speaker 2: Notre Dame side that are full members of the ACC,

1291
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 2: like football, where they're just sort of half pregnant. If

1292
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 2: in fact that relationship has been strained to an extent,

1293
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 2: what do they do about that? Will be the next

1294
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 2: place this conversation goes.

1295
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, the other part of it is the

1296
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:42,040
Speaker 1: punitive nature towards ESPN because ESPN's hand in the playoff,

1297
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 1: in the messaging of everything, with the reaction or yeah,

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Speaker 1: I guess it would be the release of the weekly rankings,

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Speaker 1: and then the fact that ESPN runs Bowl season as well.

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Speaker 1: Right that what Notre Dame is doing is punishing ESPN

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Speaker 1: by removing themselves from ESPN's airwaves and thus removing a

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Speaker 1: ratings giant from that.

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Speaker 2: And that was Andy's point. Andy's point was he gets

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Speaker 2: it from the standpoint of, Okay, you used us to

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Speaker 2: create all this drama. We're not gonna let you use

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Speaker 2: us now for ratings, right, which you could argue is

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Speaker 2: a little bit petty, and maybe it is, but I

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Speaker 2: get that thinking like I would probably be of similar

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Speaker 2: mind if it were me.

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Speaker 1: It's yeah, I mean, look, we're also sort of wading

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Speaker 1: into the waters of the sort of quieter part of

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Speaker 1: the college football business conversation in that there are basically

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Speaker 1: two entities. The Notre Dame is not fully a part

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Speaker 1: of either one of these entities, but between Fox and

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Speaker 1: the Big Ten and ESPN and the SEC, and when

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Speaker 1: we watch on ESPN's airways airwaves, Miami beat Notre Dame

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Speaker 1: by three close, and then Alabama get absolutely demolished in

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Speaker 1: front of the world the day for the playoff rankings

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Speaker 1: and have that not be affected and have like half

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Speaker 1: of the talking heads say, well, Notre Dame should join

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Speaker 1: a conference so they can play in a conference championship game,

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Speaker 1: and then at the same time, have Alabama play in

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Speaker 1: a conference championship game and have that not affect things

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Speaker 1: in the slightest. You have the same network speaking out

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Speaker 1: of both sides of its own mouth, and you know,

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Speaker 1: starting the playoff selection the the final playoff selection show

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Speaker 1: with just pure Alabama messaging right that it was just

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Speaker 1: like it weirdly had everybody on the same page with like,

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Speaker 1: we all agree that Alabama should be in the playoff

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Speaker 1: and it's just not like a question about it, right like,

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Speaker 1: and like, let's toss it to Greg McElroy and Nick Saban. Hey,

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Speaker 1: that's how we're for their takes.

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Speaker 2: That's how it was for herbiean and h and Fowler

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Speaker 2: sureing the SEC championship game and I tweeted it out

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01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:51,920
Speaker 2: and it went crazy and I got a lot of

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01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:55,000
Speaker 2: pushback from people, and I don't care, but for a

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01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:58,880
Speaker 2: good chunk of that game, they were allergic and it

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01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:02,960
Speaker 2: was more Herbie than foul are right, seemingly allergic to

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01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:06,760
Speaker 2: the mirror idea of dropping Alabama at all. And I'm

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01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:09,600
Speaker 2: not even talking about out of the playoff right, but

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01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:13,960
Speaker 2: the goal right, the goal right. And I know it's

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Speaker 2: also been floating around that something like of the previous

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01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:23,759
Speaker 2: sixteen conference championship game losers, fifteen of those teams dropped

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01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:27,080
Speaker 2: in the subsequent poll at least one place, at least

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Speaker 2: one spot. The only one over the last three years

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Speaker 2: that did not at all did not even budgets Alabama.

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Speaker 1: Right. Why is that? Let me do my wind tors,

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Speaker 1: Why why do you think that? Shout out Brian Windhorse,

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01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 1: notable not SEC fan, Ohio State fan, Brian Winhorse. It

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Speaker 1: I understand from a Notre Dame perspective, I do think

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01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:48,559
Speaker 1: it's sour grapes like you' that's the first that feels

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01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:52,200
Speaker 1: first line of this that like, if you're thinking about

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01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:55,360
Speaker 1: your program, if you're thinking about practices and getting younger

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01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:58,960
Speaker 1: players reps and like bonding on the you know, traveling

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01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 1: and it's a road spot against you know, a high

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01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:03,559
Speaker 1: quality team in BYU, that there's a lot of positive

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01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:06,320
Speaker 1: to take away from Notre Dame sort of gritting its

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01:09:06,320 --> 01:09:08,639
Speaker 1: teeth and playing in this bowl game. So I think

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01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:11,519
Speaker 1: that's the first line is this is sower grapes and

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01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:14,360
Speaker 1: it's not a great look and Notre Dame probably should

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01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:16,320
Speaker 1: have like I guess they couldn't have just like taken

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01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:18,000
Speaker 1: the night to think on it and sleep on it

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01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:22,519
Speaker 1: because you got to commit. Yeah, But I also get

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Speaker 1: it from a Notre Dame perspective where you feel as

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01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:29,760
Speaker 1: if this is an ESPN tournament that they are deciding

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01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:33,000
Speaker 1: through their own repeated messaging. Don't I don't think the

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01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:35,599
Speaker 1: ACC network thing is a big deal. Like I think

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01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:38,840
Speaker 1: it's like a fun tweet ze on next the everything

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01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:42,360
Speaker 1: app everything. But I don't know who's watching the ACC

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01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:45,080
Speaker 1: network in earnest to like pick up on what their

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Speaker 1: programming rhythms are. I'll due respect to EJ. Manual, the

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01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:51,560
Speaker 1: fine people at the ACC network. But I get it

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01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:54,360
Speaker 1: from Notre Dame's perspective that you're, like, the ACC should

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01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:56,759
Speaker 1: kind of have our back on a certain level, given

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01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:58,800
Speaker 1: that we play a lot of ACC games. And I

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01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:00,720
Speaker 1: get it from the ACC now work thing where in

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01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 1: the ACC messaging of like Miami's our best hope, they're

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01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:07,479
Speaker 1: our best team, and and they're a full member. They're

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01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:11,719
Speaker 1: full member. Yeah that it puts them in a weird position,

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01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:16,200
Speaker 1: But I really do understand it from Notre Dame's perspective

1381
01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:19,560
Speaker 1: of just like it does feel like an ESPN invitational

1382
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:22,840
Speaker 1: that you know, if we play our cards right, the

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01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:25,760
Speaker 1: people who are saying that we are a clear top

1384
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:28,240
Speaker 1: ten team all season or the back half of the

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01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:32,760
Speaker 1: season will continue to think that after we don't play

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01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:35,360
Speaker 1: a game, Miami doesn't play a game, and none of

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01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:39,000
Speaker 1: the teams we collectively played play a game, and then

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01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:42,320
Speaker 1: we are bumped out. And yeah, I mean, look, that's

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01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:46,400
Speaker 1: the thing that I get it, but I don't. I

1390
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:50,240
Speaker 1: don't know who this is truly effectively punishing other than

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01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:54,760
Speaker 1: Notre Dames players. I get where they're coming from. I

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01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 1: do think it's sour grapes on some miniscool, minuscule level

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01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:00,599
Speaker 1: at a.

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01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:04,840
Speaker 2: Minimum, is definitely some sour grapes going on. And I

1395
01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 2: think the lesson learned for the committee is a we

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01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:12,760
Speaker 2: don't need a weekly ranking show. Even if you're going

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01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:15,719
Speaker 2: to do one, maybe do three instead of five.

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01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:18,400
Speaker 1: I would say, here's what you do. You do it

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01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:21,479
Speaker 1: the week before Halloween, and you do it after conference

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01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:25,760
Speaker 1: championship weekend, and you let people surmise and make guesses.

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01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:28,680
Speaker 1: But there's too many ways to paint yourself in a

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01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:30,439
Speaker 1: corner and put yourself in a box. You shouldn't do

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01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 1: this a mid midyear check in and a final ranking.

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01:11:33,479 --> 01:11:37,040
Speaker 2: And if you are going to insist on doing weekly rankings,

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01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:41,920
Speaker 2: ranked teams appropriately first. If you were that set and

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01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:44,920
Speaker 2: determined to put Miami ahead of Notre Dame, and I

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01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:48,679
Speaker 2: understand the argument for it, and I made the argument

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01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:49,639
Speaker 2: yesterday when we recorded.

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Speaker 1: I understand it.

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01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:53,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that to me seems logical that Miami would get

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01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:54,720
Speaker 2: in over No today if they're close, and if one

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01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:56,960
Speaker 2: played the other end, the team that won on the

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01:11:56,960 --> 01:12:00,559
Speaker 2: field sho get the spot. I'm not arguing that, but

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01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:06,120
Speaker 2: rank them that way. Don't create this drama. Don't kind

1415
01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:09,760
Speaker 2: of talk yourself into one thing and then gradually tell us,

1416
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:12,679
Speaker 2: well with BYU losing that bumped up Miami. They were

1417
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 2: side by side and then we gave the tiebreaker to

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01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:17,799
Speaker 2: Miami did not play, and they jumped a couple spots. Okay,

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01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:21,160
Speaker 2: so that in and of itself strip out all the

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01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:23,760
Speaker 2: other contexts. That in and of itself is kind of ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, I mean we mentioned this before. This happened

1422
01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:30,240
Speaker 1: because they wanted it to happen. They wanted an ACC

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01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:32,519
Speaker 1: team in. They didn't like the look of leaving out

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01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:36,120
Speaker 1: a major conference, and they decided that Miami was more

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01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:39,000
Speaker 1: of an ACC team than Notre Dame. And they had

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01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:42,680
Speaker 1: the head to head to justify like a very specific

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01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:45,320
Speaker 1: bump up, and they did it because they wanted to.

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01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:50,519
Speaker 1: I don't know, anyway, this will be very interesting. Now,

1429
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:53,280
Speaker 1: see what happens next. I we're recording this again on

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01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:56,760
Speaker 1: a Monday afternoon. Notre Dames athletic director is going to

1431
01:12:56,800 --> 01:13:02,160
Speaker 1: give a press conference Tuesday noon. See what he has

1432
01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:02,920
Speaker 1: to say. I don't know.

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01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:06,320
Speaker 2: If there's trouble in Paradise with the ACC, it could

1434
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:08,519
Speaker 2: open up the playbook for all whole host of things.

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01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:11,800
Speaker 2: Dan and I don't have any clue where it goes next,

1436
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:13,840
Speaker 2: but just something to kind of keep on the radar.

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01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 2: Notre Dame's definitely up in its fefees right now, and

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01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:19,679
Speaker 2: there's there's a chance.

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01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:21,439
Speaker 1: It could get a little weirder. So that's what we're

1440
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:21,800
Speaker 1: here for.

1441
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:23,960
Speaker 2: We will do our part to kind of keep you

1442
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:27,160
Speaker 2: up to speed again. There are many other bowl games

1443
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:30,040
Speaker 2: that are going to take place during bowl season. We

1444
01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:32,160
Speaker 2: have a bowl game that we are going to play

1445
01:13:32,280 --> 01:13:36,320
Speaker 2: that all are invited to take part in. Details on

1446
01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:37,880
Speaker 2: that are forthcoming. I'm still working on.

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Speaker 1: We're not that. What's the website.

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Speaker 2: I think the website's gonna be playbowlbingo dot com. But

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Speaker 2: play okay, don't go the X and set it up

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Speaker 2: right if you go now, I think you're gonna get

1451
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Speaker 2: get redirected.

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Speaker 1: Do we own it? I don't want somebody buying and

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Speaker 1: we just like, okay, just making sure yeah we got it. We'reka.

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Speaker 1: But I gotta set the page up. I gottaet everything going.

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Speaker 2: So more to come on that front. Bullbingo was a

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01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:04,720
Speaker 2: big hit last year when we played. You played for

1457
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:07,800
Speaker 2: fabulous prizes. It is not your standard issue bowlpool, even

1458
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 2: a confidence pool, which we did for many years. You

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Speaker 2: pick a couple things each week. The winners get fabulous prizes,

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Speaker 2: but it's very low stress. You don't play the full

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Speaker 2: way through if you don't want to, very casual play

1462
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Speaker 2: with friends and family. Truly, people really enjoyed it last year,

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Speaker 2: so we're gonna do it again.

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Speaker 1: Love to hear it, can't wait to play all. That's

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Speaker 1: all I have. I don't know if there's any other

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Speaker 1: topics you wanted to get to. I think we're gonna

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Speaker 1: leave it there today. Okay, okay. We have Army Navy

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Speaker 1: by the way, so you have Army Navy. We've got

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Speaker 1: the heisman. We do have the heigs. We're gonna talk

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Speaker 1: about that the next episode. Oh good, good, good folks,

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Speaker 1: Dan Ruvestein, I will talk to you again. I guess

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Speaker 1: on Thursday. Do it again. Can't wait, Tie, and for

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Speaker 1: We'll catch you on a few days, need time, Stay soft, peace,