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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from coast to coast AM On

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio, Jonathan constays with us, the author of Harbinger

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Speaker 1: to the Return. So we were looking at these parallels

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Speaker 1: between the nine Harbingers that befell ancient Israel in the

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Speaker 1: eighth century BC they were, and how they parallel America

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Speaker 1: not in nine to eleven, so the Northern Kingdom of

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Speaker 1: Israel attacked sort of a terrorist attack by the Assyrians

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Speaker 1: that of course parallels the terrorist attack on nine to eleven.

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Speaker 1: You had the falling of bricks that's mentioned in Isaiah

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Speaker 1: nine ten. You have this hubris where the ancient Israelis say,

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Speaker 1: you know, they're defiant. Instead of humbling themselves to God,

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Speaker 1: they say, we'll build it back better. Of course, you have,

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Speaker 1: as you mentioned, Tom Dashel and a number of other

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Speaker 1: politicians saying that exact same thing, thinking that are not

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Speaker 1: understanding that Isaiah nine ten. When they're reciting it's it's

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Speaker 1: a judgment. Um. You know, they're talking about rebuilding the

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Speaker 1: nation will be, will build it better and build it higher.

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Speaker 1: You also mentioned the sycamore tree that's mentioned in I

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Speaker 1: guess Isaiah. The destruction of the sycamore in Israel, ancient Israel.

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Speaker 1: They replace it with a stronger tree, which is a

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Speaker 1: cedar tree. Likewise, a sycamore is destroyed, it's growing in

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Speaker 1: the shadow of the World Trade Center tower. It's destroyed,

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Speaker 1: and paralleling that they replace it with. They call it

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Speaker 1: the tree of hope, a cedar tree. What happened to that,

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Speaker 1: that tree of hope? Jonathan? Yeah, Well the biblical word

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Speaker 1: that um that Isaiah uses as the era's tree in Hebrew,

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Speaker 1: which can mean a cedar, can be a spruce. It's

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Speaker 1: that pine, it's called it's a panascia tree. And that's

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Speaker 1: what they that's what they lowered down the thing. And

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Speaker 1: as they did, you know, they had a ceremony again

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Speaker 1: and they and it's like nobody knows what they're doing. Nobody,

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Speaker 1: nobody's trying to make it happen. It's all just happening,

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Speaker 1: I mean, versus happened the terrorists. You certainly didn't know

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Speaker 1: about the Isaiah nine ten when they when they did,

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Speaker 1: when they struck the power, that struck the sycamore and

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Speaker 1: the whole thing, so it all just converted. Well, what

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Speaker 1: happened is, you know, they they say, this is a

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Speaker 1: symbol of where you know we're coming back with all

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Speaker 1: these things coming back. Well, since the book came out,

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Speaker 1: I wrote, I wrote the Harbinger in twenty and twelve,

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Speaker 1: m the there have been the Harbingers haven't stopped. There's

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Speaker 1: been more Harbingers, and that this one of the nine

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Speaker 1: has continued or continue to manifest. Well, one of the

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Speaker 1: signs in the Bible of national judgment is the and

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Speaker 1: many believe that many people know it when they go

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Speaker 1: to church. Evenheer is the withering away of a tree.

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Speaker 1: The Bible speaks about that several times, is towards the

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Speaker 1: nation's fall or destruction. Well, the tree of hope or

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Speaker 1: this era is tree than the which is the seventh Harbager.

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Speaker 1: What happened to it is it started to wither away

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Speaker 1: at ground zero. That starts withering as a symbol of

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Speaker 1: American I keep that in mind, American metals withering, and

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Speaker 1: with the side of the Bible of a nation that's

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Speaker 1: spiritually withering away, you know, and there's a disease. Now.

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Speaker 1: They tried to they did everything they could to say

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Speaker 1: that I actually saw it withering. They tried to put

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Speaker 1: new ground or nothing, whatever they did. It's like this

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Speaker 1: one thing was like cursed. This Hartinger was cursed, symbolizing

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Speaker 1: America will. At one point, a Baraco president of Obama

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Speaker 1: comes down to Uh to ground to ground zero on

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Speaker 1: the anniversary of note eleven, and actually he has a

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Speaker 1: scripture to read, but he changes the scripture. The scripture

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Speaker 1: says that God breaks the bow like of a nation.

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Speaker 1: Like he's breaking like the bow an hour. He's breaking

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Speaker 1: weapons and bringing us, bringing the nation peace. It's national blessing.

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Speaker 1: But he changes it. I'm not saying he knew what

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Speaker 1: he's doing. It's they're saying bow. He says he breaks

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Speaker 1: the bow. Well, breaking the bow is a biblical sign

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Speaker 1: of judgment, breaking off the branches of the tree. Well,

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Speaker 1: as he's doing this across the street, this this, this, uh, this,

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Speaker 1: taking off there is because they're breaking it off. So

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Speaker 1: he's saying he has no idea. Well, the final thing

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Speaker 1: is the sign of this is the fall of an

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Speaker 1: arrows tree. In the Bible. You'll read about you know,

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Speaker 1: the great cedar shall fall. Well, it says in Hebrew

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Speaker 1: the errostry. Well, well, what happened is finally this Harbinger

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Speaker 1: one thing for a sycamore to be struck down, it's

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Speaker 1: of a nation's fall. So here it struck down. It

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Speaker 1: was struck down on a Hebrew holiday which was Passover,

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Speaker 1: which actually speaks of the judgment of a nation Egypt.

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Speaker 1: And that same night, another sign in the Bible of

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Speaker 1: blood red. The blood red moon happens that night, and

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Speaker 1: erase the trace of it. That was the symbol of America.

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Speaker 1: If a sycamore falling down, struck down, it answers to

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Speaker 1: nine to eleven that warning strike. Then what does the

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Speaker 1: striking down of the errorstry the one that is a

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Speaker 1: sign of a nation strength. It speaks of the coming

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Speaker 1: fall of a nation. In both books you talk about

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Speaker 1: the relationship between judgment and exposing foundations. Yeah, just expand

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Speaker 1: the templates in the Bible of national judgment is that

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Speaker 1: when judgment comes, or when when it begins, or the striking,

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Speaker 1: the nation's powers are struck and the foundations of those

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Speaker 1: powers are exposed, kind of like a like you could

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Speaker 1: picture a building coming down and the foundation is exposed.

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Speaker 1: Well literally on nine eleven. Of course, the foundations of

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Speaker 1: the building were exposed as it came down. But now

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Speaker 1: its military power, military superpower? When did America, like eyes

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Speaker 1: When it became a worldwide basically a military superpower. Well,

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Speaker 1: it happened in nineteen forty one when it entered the

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Speaker 1: that same year ninety forty one, they build a building

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Speaker 1: to represent embody that power and to lead that power. Well,

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Speaker 1: is struck, is breached. Now, now again you have a

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Speaker 1: biblical thing that it's coming to the nation's powers. But

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Speaker 1: not only The question is when when was that building?

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Speaker 1: When was the Pentagon begun? Well, it begun in that

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Speaker 1: So when was the Pentagon born? The Pentagon was born

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Speaker 1: on September eleventh, nine eleven. It is struck on the

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Speaker 1: even go further. The Pentagon replaced another building that would

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Speaker 1: the Pentagon was built. If you take the day that

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Speaker 1: it comes out to September eleventh, two thousand and one,

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Speaker 1: to the day and to the morning. So the warning

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Speaker 1: all predicated on God. If you if you cut off God,

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Speaker 1: you turn against him, you war against them. Then those

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Speaker 1: you have the other source of American might, which is

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Speaker 1: the economic power of America that a little different, is

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Speaker 1: a gradual thing unlike the other one. And it started,

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Speaker 1: so what happens on nine eleven. You have the military

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Speaker 1: It struck us again as the symbol of America's pre

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Speaker 1: where America's economic power rose. Well, it began on the

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Speaker 1: Center was. But it began when Henry Hudson sailed up

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Speaker 1: They set up literally a trade center. It's a little hut.

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Speaker 1: Now we have the World Trade Center. Well, well, when

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Speaker 1: on September eleventh, except to the same day, nine eleven,

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Speaker 1: So you have both both places. Not only struck was

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Speaker 1: their birth. And the warning in fact, Richard, you know,

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Speaker 1: I wrote The Orange, I didn't put that in there.

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Speaker 1: I put it in the Orange or two. But the

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Speaker 1: they will be removed. So just to repeat there, you're

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Speaker 1: on that day. The birth of americans economic power on

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Speaker 1: that day comes on the day of the tearing down.

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Speaker 1: So again, you wrote the first book, The Harbinger, in

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Speaker 1: two thousand and twelve, So Harbingers who came out last year?

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Speaker 1: Eight years you waited to write the sequel, So why

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Speaker 1: early twenty twenty really even you know, before the pandemic,

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Speaker 1: and say, this is the year I have to write

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Speaker 1: the sequel. What was it? Well, well, every year, you know,

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Speaker 1: And so it's actually September. I usually started writing in January,

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Speaker 1: I knew that I knew when I wrote The Harbinger.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't the end. It was the beginning of this,

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Speaker 1: I could not write this until the time was right.

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